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mircea_popescu: anyway, laters!
BingoBoingo: I wonder if that bitcoin buttplug is coming in multiple sizes
TestingUnoDosTre: and textures!
TestingUnoDosTre: They said there was a way to tell if it was unique
thestringpuller: ;;calc ( 0.00096237 - 0.00095711 ) / 0.00096237
gribble: 0.00546567328574
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095391 / 0.00095966 / 0.00096593 (509702 shares, 489.14 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096846 / 0.00101 (3334383 shares, 3,229.22 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00092699 / 0.00101 (23205346 shares, 21,511.35 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0522 = 0.1044 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1569 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00096166 = 10.4821 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1569 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0522999 = 0.2615 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.0522999 = 0.8368 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: what the in the hayl
BingoBoingo: Jurov posted a link to this thing earlier and nao I'm reading it all
TestingUnoDosTre: I liked how it was written, just very strange
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00095512 = 14.4223 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I've been addicted to it too
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: 45 minutes of reading them last night
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1046 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I've just about given them the once over. I'll probably re-read them again over a few days.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1046 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669997 = 0.134 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 22 @ 0.00988186 = 0.2174 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0075 = 0.2625 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.00953844 = 0.124 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00095358 = 9.2974 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52985758 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.052 = 0.624 BTC [-]
fluffypony: OpenBSD have started a strip-down and cleanup of openSSL
artifexd: That will be a herculean effort.
pankkake: nice. I was looking for openssl alternatives, and while there are some (with nicer APIs and lighter codebases), the licenses won't satisfy everyone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7546 @ 0.00096408 = 7.2749 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: artifexd: agreed, but considering the amount of effort they put into their modified Apache 1.3 (till they switched to nginx last month) makes me think they can accomplish it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06615 = 0.1323 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06590001 = 0.1318 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: "Perhaps they could ask the OpenBSD Foundation, which just hit its 2014 goal"
fluffypony: cheeky
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1661 @ 0.00096459 = 1.6022 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: except everyone hates what gnome does
bounce: at least gnome /was/ more or less confined to its own thing and its invariably byzantinely dependent apps. enter the bunch, and poettering+gang.
pankkake: I don't have issues with those things, they are overall improvements
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0665 = 0.1995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0665 = 0.133 BTC [+]
bounce: (deliberate) incompatability by stuffing functionality with strong preference-flavour added where there previously was room for alternative approaches in places that don't need the added complexity and opacity, with added fall-out to well outside the "linux" world and insisting breaking others' software are improvements now? explain that one, please.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.522 BTC [-]
fluffypony: I agree that gnome is shit
fluffypony: LXDE is great
fluffypony: and LXDE-Qt if you desperately need Qt everywhere
pankkake: they're switching to Qt?
fluffypony: LXDE-Qt is a separate project
fluffypony: kinda separate
pankkake: weird
fluffypony: Razor-Qt merged with it last year
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.522 = 4.698 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00009252 = 0.185 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.065626 = 0.3281 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06475721 = 0.4533 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10533 @ 0.00096398 = 10.1536 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00095403 = 7.3937 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: *clicks*
fluffypony: "The lesson for anyone in the public domain should already be clear: Don't try to answer rumours on Reddit, unless you are also prepared to provide cast iron proof of what you say, don't discuss your family affairs on a public forum, and especially don't mention your children - this is stupid beyond belief."
pankkake: most comments are actually good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00009294 = 0.1859 BTC [+] {8}
punkman: sounds like Danny's dream of having a Bentley is gonna be over soon
punkman: so much derp
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0655 = 0.3275 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1200 @ 0.00013788 = 0.1655 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 767 @ 0.00014148 = 0.1085 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1500 @ 0.00014606 = 0.2191 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5607 @ 0.00015531 = 0.8708 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3127 @ 0.00017518 = 0.5478 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1231 @ 0.00019369 = 0.2384 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2090 @ 0.00025902 = 0.5414 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 900 @ 0.00027005 = 0.243 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1750 @ 0.0002701 = 0.4727 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00028629 = 0.2863 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2200 @ 0.00030121 = 0.6627 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 793 @ 0.00031 = 0.2458 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 753 @ 0.00036261 = 0.273 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00037004 = 0.37 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 500 @ 0.00037012 = 0.1851 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06674097 = 6.6741 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 276 @ 0.00037 = 0.1021 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3716 @ 0.00011678 = 0.434 BTC [+] {5}
pankkake: unless some large farm explodes
ThickAsThieves: Bitstamp is lying, saying my deposit had 3 confs, but blockchain says 6
ThickAsThieves: they only require 3, yet some how, no coins
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, selling already ?
ThickAsThieves: doing some trading
ThickAsThieves: i'm still long, but keep getting sucked back into the game
kakobrekla: cans and strings never lie
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00096147 = 1.9229 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: Estimated Next Difficulty:7,195,696,460 (+17.58%)
ThickAsThieves: like 15PH added in 2 weeks
mircea_popescu: breathtaking, innit.
pankkake: so many asic manufacturers too
pankkake: some of them even deliver!
mircea_popescu: lol who delivered this year ?
pankkake: I don't follow this a lot but there are some chinese who sell in stock stuff
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> lol who delivered this year ? // shit, it really is no one
pankkake: otherwise cointerra is the closest to delivering I guess
pankkake: still, there's a number of options. better than one single GPU manufacturer!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves dun dun dun
mircea_popescu: "Warrior Forum joins the Family" dude this couldn't have been more appropriate.
mircea_popescu: freelancer is like a black hole of internet idiocy.
ThickAsThieves: i bet odesk runs most of the action on those sites anyway
mircea_popescu: pankkake a number of options as to where to throw your btc down a well and hope while waiting aren;'t options in the sense we need.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there's this site, too, and some other shit.
fluffypony: as well
pankkake: by the way, GPU preorders were a thing, too. I preordered one like 15 years ago, it took months before I could have it
kakobrekla: dotcoin does it again.
dignork: re: miners, have you seen spondoolies-tech? My friend works there, and apparently they shipped by plan.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: that post is terrible
mircea_popescu: ummm... their office is a room and a hallway in uhhh
mircea_popescu: shit i remember who owns that and was giving it away rent free to noobs, who the fuck was it
mircea_popescu: dignork details, details.
ThickAsThieves: omg all those people working on macbooks, wtf
ThickAsThieves: i guess their real office is starbucks
dignork: I know one of the devs there
mircea_popescu: they kinda look like they're showing teh women girlpronz
mircea_popescu: !up Tykling
assbot: Voicing Tykling for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: o teh jewz.
mircea_popescu: dignork so tell one of teh techs to reg here, got a shot at way more biz than the ofrum can ever provide.
pankkake: macbooks are what you use in client meetings, but not what you use to actually work
dignork: mircea_popescu, will do :)
mircea_popescu: holy shit where is that
mircea_popescu: now it's going to bug me perpetually.
mircea_popescu: ahaha "make a transaction and get $5" dude they're really pushing huh.
ThickAsThieves: 30-day warranty
pankkake: do they sell to EU? that would be probably illegal
ThickAsThieves: theyre probly like "Well, we're premining with these things for 60 days, so we should probly change that warranty!"
mircea_popescu: "We're about 25 KM from Gaza strip, not in any disputed territory."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4617 @ 0.00096147 = 4.4391 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so cute, the jews. "o, we're 25km from ww2, it's safe here"
mircea_popescu: they actually think this way.
davout: mircea_popescu: holders list pl0x
mircea_popescu: dude it's been six minutes ? what do yo uthink i run here, a team of naked ninjas ?
davout: mircea_popescu: that's what you keep advertising :D
punkman: you don't have a naked ninja team?
mircea_popescu: i do but i don't uyse them to do THIS stuff
mircea_popescu: anything davout gets comes from old smelly women
davout: the way i make my living is not for you to judge
davout: pecunia non olet
ThickAsThieves: this plane toy up the poon is hilarious
davout: "Hi, I'm from al qaeda and i'm going to do something big on june first"
davout: june first : "first fully decentralized bitcoin exchange released by al qaeda girl"
ThickAsThieves: nice knowing you davout
ThickAsThieves: have fun in guant
Apocalyptic: he's gonna seek refuge in Timisoara soon
davout: ThickAsThieves: i'm a jew, anything all-inclusive will do
davout: mircea_popescu: merci!
mircea_popescu: he's being extradited
mircea_popescu: i think i may have all the papers ready to go within the week
ThickAsThieves: extratradition
mircea_popescu: when i was a kid the measure of your popularity was that all the kids on the block gathered under your windows screaming "Mr X, may X come out to plaaa-aaa-aaayyyyy ???"
mircea_popescu: so i'd go this shrug like "what can i do mom ? teh boyfatherland needs me"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: yeah isn't that something.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves btw, did asicminer deliver the gen3 or still working on it ?
pankkake: I think my last issue with the fisc will finally get prescribed. yay
pankkake: there are sample chips in the wild
mircea_popescu: who got any ?
pankkake: rockxie and canaryinthemine (approximate spelling)
ThickAsThieves: i havent been following, i think the whole Rockminer deal is too fishy to take any of them seriously anymore
ThickAsThieves: my guess would be that AM feels theyve given enough to shareholders and will now focus on ways to reroute profit
ThickAsThieves: like Rockminer
mircea_popescu: such bs.
mircea_popescu: it's like a mediocre marriage, nobody says what they mean and nobody does what they say.
ThickAsThieves: when gen2 vanished without much noise, and nothing happened for like 8mos, well...
davout: for those who have some X.EUR the positions rollover is done
mircea_popescu: basically tardstalk has managed to get itself out of the way of bitcoin conversation, tards foundation idem...
mircea_popescu: let this be a lesson about what "poorly managed" means. you start with a dominant, unassailable position, two years later it's not even clear who you are and what you do anymore.
davout: sounds like a good time to buy some btw :-)
mircea_popescu: what cuz it's gonna drop moar ?!
davout: BTC is up 15~20% since this morning
mircea_popescu: i'll short sell you some, how about that ?
fluffypony: just below $500, davout
davout: trades around 360 EUR on BC, was 300 yest, looks like it's going to drop at least a bit
ThickAsThieves: possibly one more burst tho
fluffypony: I'm so bad at price speculation I gave up ages ago
ThickAsThieves: to 531ish
davout: mircea_popescu: if you have some EUR collateral i can push you some ;-)
mircea_popescu: meh. push me some anyway and i'll cover you in btc
davout: mircea_popescu: also i can go short directly on BC
fluffypony: 1 BTC = 1 BTC?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony well what the fuck am i going to end up owing him, btc goes to 5 eur ?
mircea_popescu: i'll just sell a ninja.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: trade up man, 1 = 2
fluffypony: (by some definition of 2)
ThickAsThieves: what do you think will spark the next true bull phase?
mircea_popescu: Hashrate per chip:11.52Ghash Power consumption:6.375W per chip
mircea_popescu: wasn't the fucking spec supposed to be 4gh/w ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this chan going +m.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: China Unbans Bitcoin!
ThickAsThieves: but i dont have enough cash to buy this thing back to 1000!
fluffypony: didn't someone mention ransomware the other day, and how that may have contributed to the last run as people who would otherwise have been disinclined to purchase went and purchase?
fluffypony: so the solution could be to write some new ransomware?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it was a stupid idea tho. you realise this yes ?
ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 24000
gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 16452.849 bitcoins, for a total of 14624837.6264 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 0.0850 seconds
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yes I know, I'm just teasing
ThickAsThieves: 16000 coins?!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you mighht have not noticed this, but bitstamp volume dried up to nothing.
mircea_popescu: and so did most of the other exchanges.
mircea_popescu: their price signal is worth about as much as reddit opinion
mircea_popescu: echolalia eh ?
davout: ThickAsThieves: mebbe some sort of EUR implosion/QE or whatever
mircea_popescu: !up roamfree
assbot: Voicing roamfree for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5299999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "Perhaps they could ask the OpenBSD Foundation, which just hit its 2014 goal" << cheeky indeed.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: I really wonder why there are Yesses << well when it was made it didn't look as clear as it does now. and if it had another month to go, it wouldn't look clear now, either.
pankkake: no new mining power added for 2 weeks?
mircea_popescu: chips have a lifetime. if that's not too long and later chips are worse quality eventually the diff will start dropping.
pankkake: right, perhaps in a few years then
thestringpuller: have we discussed the latter from scammy danny yet?
pankkake: not much
thestringpuller: i havent checked the logs just woke up and saw it on reddit...
mircea_popescu: we don't really read reddit, but go right ahead
mircea_popescu: "The fraud charges are of my greatest concern right now, they are baffling to me"
thestringpuller: i am pretty sure reddit drops your iq at this point
mircea_popescu: o hey. i suppose it keeps in character. first business was baffling to the kid, now legal matters take a turn...
mircea_popescu: i suppose his feeling for ghiorghios, the unshaved truck driver will be baffling for him next.
thestringpuller: but reddit has much needed lulz to fuel our hunger
thestringpuller: is he in wot?
mircea_popescu: Here is a message to the Criminal Investigation Department of the Cypriot Police:
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller who ? reddit ?
thestringpuller: danny scamster
mircea_popescu: nah, he knew better.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 18 @ 0.05240938 = 0.9434 BTC [+] {9}
pankkake: his statements are very confusing, but that has been going on for a while
mircea_popescu: srsly, 8:1 ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.0, Best ask: 493.02, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 493.0, 24 hour volume: 30647.12500074, 24 hour low: 448.1, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.428840083
mircea_popescu: sweet, wonder if it tops at 500 or not.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00096296 = 2.7444 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: You mean 515
mircea_popescu: lol yeah
mircea_popescu: << from the lulz dept, me discussing matters with a bunch of middleaged women
pankkake: running isn't even healthy!
thestringpuller: why is it skngle middle aged women are far less annoying than 20's they are still teens or something
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the former you don't want to fuck. less frustration for you.
mircea_popescu: pankkake it's healthier than pancakes...
pankkake: I don't even like pancakes
pankkake: and yes, pancakes are poison
mircea_popescu: well arguably bukkake is healthier than running
nubbins`: arguably
TestingUnoDosTre: Can't believe people think smoking adds to healthcare costs. The people die earlier and faster
nubbins`: easier on your knees, certainly
nubbins`: TestingUnoDosTre: here in canada, we keep smokers alive as long as possible. tis a burden
mircea_popescu: nubbins` notrly, you gotta be kneelin'
nubbins`: mircea_popescu flat on the back, natch
nubbins`: TestingUnoDosTre: although to be fair, tobacco taxes more than cover it
nubbins`: 20 smokes is over $10 here
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre you don't understand the environment. buncha clueless broads sitting around encouraging each other. sorta like what we do here, except without the smarts.
nubbins`: wait, i encourage people? ;(
mircea_popescu: i assumed you must. weren't you a liberal ?
nubbins`: sure, but a bitter one
pankkake: TestingUnoDosTre: it might (cancer is expensive), but it reduces retirement costs
nubbins`: just 'cause i'm a liberal doesn't mean i suffer fools ;D
mircea_popescu: if smoking gives you cancer it just shows you had a shitty constitution,
mircea_popescu: so you SHOULD die in the first place.
mircea_popescu: smoking is pretty much the only selective behaviour left.
mircea_popescu: that and driving.
mircea_popescu: smoking definitely cheaper.
nubbins`: smoking: the sieve of modern man
nubbins`: eating too
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> just 'cause i'm a liberal doesn't mean i suffer fools ;D << wait wait. what sort of scamliberal are you ?! THAT IS THE DEFINITION!
TestingUnoDosTre: If you consider coat avoidance, I'm quite sure it would cost more to keep a,non smoker living in their latter years
nubbins`: we live in a word not of black and white but of shades of grey ;D
nubbins`: bbl eggs!
mircea_popescu: quoted for the black shoies, white socks.
mircea_popescu: that's the world we live in.
mircea_popescu: !up steven-__
assbot: Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53199995 = 1.064 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: anyway, I'm usually going out to not smoke
pankkake: who cares what is written
mircea_popescu: these women.
mircea_popescu: it's all they have left : what's written
pankkake: because they want to be offended at something
pankkake: being offended is a full time job
mircea_popescu: gives them something to write on twitter about, gives them something to talk to me about... what's their alternative ?
ThickAsThieves: it's also the easiest job
mircea_popescu: sit in the home and stare at the wall ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves exactly. easiest full time job their is. which is why and how women that age end up with it, in all times and all places.
ThickAsThieves: old hags on nonprofit boards
mircea_popescu: lol you've really been touched haven't you
ThickAsThieves: treating me like a walmart cashier
ThickAsThieves: ive fired more old women clients than clients have ever fired me
mircea_popescu: no cuntry for old broads.
ThickAsThieves: btw i loved your definition of fine
ThickAsThieves: it's quite quotable
ThickAsThieves: deserves a bash
mircea_popescu: bash away
ThickAsThieves: how do i bash the past?
ThickAsThieves: bash 9000
nubbins`: look to the topic for clues
mircea_popescu: there's an add topic feature
mircea_popescu: hey kakobrekla : your !b add-on was so successful, people don't even know how to bash as a result.
nubbins`: needs params
mircea_popescu: does nawt
nubbins`: !b [2:5,7:14]
nubbins`: imagine
mircea_popescu: fucking geeks omfg. !b for insta and go paste in the site otherwise
ThickAsThieves: never heard of bash til the !b arrived
ThickAsThieves: i'm not quite as nerdy as it seems
mircea_popescu: a! but have you ever heard of bishibosh ?
nubbins`: i've got quotes on from when i was like 15 ;(
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah well you're special`
nubbins`: well, maybe 17
ThickAsThieves: after looking up bishibosh, surely ive had exposure
ThickAsThieves: nubbins thats cuz you been complaining since the womb
nubbins`: funny, there was a scammer trying to impersonate me in -otc the other day
nubbins`: nickname: nubbins``
nubbins`: y'know, the sort of nick that a non-scammer would have
steven-__: really like this new model you have imposed mircea_popescu having to be voiced to talk. it makes me think back to when oink died and two sites popped up to trade music waffles and what it was much harder to get into what having to pass a test about encoding quality lossly vs lossless but over the years you can really see the
steven-__: advantages to limiting who can be involved to people who care enough to learn the basics
mircea_popescu: in my defense, i merely suggested it.
nubbins`: now, i gotta print posters
nubbins`: i ended up removing the Hobo typeface from that one i shared ;(
mircea_popescu: but think of the environment nubbins` ! wouldn't you rather sit here and chat with us ?
mircea_popescu: instead of causing cancer and so forth ?
nubbins`: water-based inks bruh
nubbins`: you can pour 'em straight into the ocean with impunity
mircea_popescu: you make a pretty shitty middleaged woman.
pankkake: steven-__: eheh exactly :)
nubbins`: phew!
mircea_popescu: gotta eat moar soy sauce
steven-__: yea pankkake your blog post was what got me thinking about it
kakobrekla: steven-__ i did about 0.5k or so interviews for what btw.
pankkake: I blog posted about it? or comment maybe
kakobrekla: 3 and a half years behind me :p
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you did 500 interviews for what ?
pankkake: what's your username kakobrekla? (I'm simply pankkake as I am everywhere)
kakobrekla: yes mp.
steven-__: yea i had an account around the time oink ended but ended up using waffles and tt
steven-__: so when i came back to what i was blown away at how much better it was
pankkake: yeah, oink being closed ended up… a good thing. more competition, new software
nubbins`: indeed, not all water-based inks are created equal, which is why we use the good ones ;D
kakobrekla: This tree has 955 entries, 254 branches, and a depth of 6. It has 670 Users (70%), 214 Members (22%), 57 Power Users (6%), 13 Elites (1%) and 1 Torrent Master (0%). 536 users are disabled (56%), and 96 users have donated (10%).
pankkake: lol 56% of fail
kakobrekla: yes , well , people.
pankkake: i guess it's easy to cheat on the interview
nubbins`: TBF we only use WB for paper, and plastisol for shirts. but once you cure plastisol, you can do w/e you want with it
kakobrekla: mostly its people who do not understand how hard it is to seed here
kakobrekla: i mean, you can not describe it.
kakobrekla: tbh i have been helping by not seeding for last 2 years or so
pankkake: I upload new stuff and seed forever, never had to worry about anything
kakobrekla: i got to be tm for a short bit, but then lost the will and got degraded to elite :|
pankkake: I have been stuck in elite for years, yet I'm close
pankkake: unless there is a secret porn subforum, not interested
kakobrekla: its been fun even if people in charge are douchebags
pankkake: yeah, they banned me from the forums
kakobrekla: and i was 'sassing' some mod, they took my avatar rights as a reward.
steven-__: what has pretty good forums but in general i'm over the genre almost made some DIY speaker last year
kakobrekla: if its from those forums , its shit speakers.
pankkake: This tree has 144 entries, 36 branches, and a depth of 5. It has 113 Users (78%), 23 Members (16%), 6 Power Users (4%) and 2 Elites (1%). 97 users are disabled (67%), and 6 users have donated (4%).
pankkake: ok, I'm worst
pankkake: worse
mircea_popescu: !up andreas_
assbot: Voicing andreas_ for 30 minutes.
pankkake: by the way:
pankkake: ::view
pankkake: ;;view
gribble: #20302 Sat Apr 12 11:27:48 2014 pankkake SELL 999.0 Private torrent trackers invites @ 0 FREE (Theses are free, only requirement is WoT presence. Keep your bitcoins to donate to the actual operators.)
pankkake: some assholes are selling those
kakobrekla: meh i wouldnt risk it
kakobrekla: people dont appreciate such things.
TestingUnoDosTre: What is this private torrent tracker?
pankkake: I have many, music, movies, porn, whatever you need
steven-__: most people forget and get disabled or can't keep up a good ratio because they only download stuff that's 12 hours old and seed it for 24-48 hours on (good trackers)
pankkake: I'm very sad underground-gamer closed, it was a gold mine of old great games
joecool: pankkake: got hdbits
pankkake: joecool: "Invites are disabled for the moment. May never come back"
joecool: bummer
pankkake: so I have one, unusable
mircea_popescu: !up steven-__
assbot: Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
TestingUnoDosTre: Just got 2001 a space oddessy the other night. Gonna smoke up and make a holiday of it
pankkake: spaced odyssey
mircea_popescu: lol good one
mircea_popescu: !up Naphex
assbot: Voicing Naphex for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: 2001 is a great flick
Naphex: i was just about to auth with gribble, pre-thanks :)
mircea_popescu: lol cool.
kakobrekla: its prolly better than dead man, now that i think of it.
mircea_popescu: Naphex didn't recall if you were on the list or not
kakobrekla: well you still need to get your own voice
kakobrekla: borrowed one is a borrowed one.
kakobrekla: gotta give it back
Naphex: ;;ident Naphex
gribble: Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu
Naphex: there we go.
mircea_popescu: what's ?
TestingUnoDosTre: I just listened to the book on audio and its probably one of my favorite science fiction
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot Naphex
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Naphex! Trust relationship from user assbot to user Naphex: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: you ain't in the list yo
joecool: TestingUnoDosTre: not 2001 honda odyssey?
steven-__: the prisoner was filming next to 2001 a space oddessy when they weren't on location at portmeirion
steven-__: ;;google the prisoner
gribble: The Prisoner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; The Prisoner (TV Series 1967–1968) - IMDb: <>; The Prisoner (TV Mini-Series 2009) - IMDb: <>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8754 @ 0.00096534 = 8.4506 BTC [+] {2}
Naphex: mircea_popescu: romanian bitcoin->ron exchange where i slave during the day ;]
ThickAsThieves: i just lost my copy of Anathema, i was just getting started :(
pankkake: ron?
mircea_popescu: Naphex never heard of it :D
mircea_popescu: pankkake romania changed its rol (romanian leu) at 10k for the new romanian leu so thus... ron
pankkake: I hope it's to honor Ron Paul!
bounce: they let their slaves irc from production servers?
Naphex: bounce: yeah its in the job benefits ;]
mircea_popescu: orderbook... tons of asks, no bids.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.52, Best ask: 494.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.48000, Last trade: 494.0, 24 hour volume: 30795.89377194, 24 hour low: 448.1, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.757676521
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1514.0/492.52
gribble: 3.07398684317
bounce: so what do you do there?
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 3.23 / 3.07
gribble: 1.05211726384
mircea_popescu: bout 5% off. some arb opportunity i guess. Naphex what's the confirmation process like ?
Naphex: bb in a few, gotta drive home. closing the office
Naphex: mircea_popescu: ID with quick confirmation for 15k eur+, some other paperwork for higher limit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0653 = 0.3265 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Naphex as a business ?
Naphex: as a bussiness its a monthly limit for 220k RON
Naphex: about 50k eur
mircea_popescu: and what do you do bout the vat ?
Naphex: there is no vat
mircea_popescu: lol interesting.
mircea_popescu: !up cnxmari
assbot: Voicing cnxmari for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: whoa look at copper jesus.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck can copper drop ? i mean gold, i get it, political interest, fake bla bla bla, whatever. ok. but copper ?!
mircea_popescu: it's rarer than gold these days!
bounce: I s'pose there's the demand side
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.06510404 = 2.4088 BTC [-] {10}
pankkake: because romanians are busy stealing it and undercutting the market
mircea_popescu: what, romanians sell it on the cme ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 125 @ 0.06499443 = 8.1243 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3828 @ 0.00016169 = 0.6189 BTC [-] {7}
Apocalyptic: <pankkake> because romanians are busy stealing it and undercutting the market // that's what gypsies do in slovakia
pankkake: well, I'm saying romanians to tease, in France it's gypsies/roms/whatever
ThickAsThieves: copper dropping cuz chinese are involved with it
ThickAsThieves: PBOC gonna ban copper!
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu 14, benkay 12, jborkl 10, bingoboingo 8, bitcoinpete 8, khersonus 5, jurov 1, mike_c 1.
TestingUnoDosTre: How does one get on this blag
mircea_popescu: you make a blog and bug pankkake pretty much
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: Oh my, went to Colorado for my off week. Place is like heaven on earth
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: They put a quarter ounce limit on purchasers from out of state, but you can walk right in the next day
mircea_popescu: a quarter ounce should be enough to smoke yourself out pretty well no ?
mircea_popescu: in more cattle-related news,
TestingUnoDosTre: Yes indeed
TestingUnoDosTre: But I drove out there to ski, so I could take home extra
TestingUnoDosTre: In theory of course
Duffer1: thickasthieves gotta buy another copy then ^.^ it's worth it
TestingUnoDosTre: Is it sci-fi or what?
Duffer1: is what?
Duffer1: anathema?
mike_c: some of us only write when we have something to say ;)
Duffer1: er sorry Anathem
ThickAsThieves: so far Anathema seems very Vonnegut
TestingUnoDosTre: Oooh KV is the way to be
ThickAsThieves: it's also absolutely nothing like Reamde\
mircea_popescu: mike_c ikr ?
ThickAsThieves: which i didnt finish
pankkake: !up steven-__
assbot: Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
TestingUnoDosTre: All great sci-fi aside, anybody read Lermontovs A Hero of Our Time?
mircea_popescu: lol someone caught on the splendid "free speech" dilemma maged built for teh tardstalk management.
mircea_popescu: "we don't ban scams and scammers, but this isn't because they pay us, it's simply because we believe in free speech ; we do however ban people exercising free speech, because it's bad for business."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0524 = 0.3144 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.032 = 0.192 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.08299776 = 0.332 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03110007 = 0.1244 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0524 = 0.2096 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.08299776 = 0.332 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: "The fact that people like MPOE-PR, Deprived, and pankkake were paid to say I was a scammer and lie about me didn't help either."
fluffypony: so, how do I get a piece of this action?
Apocalyptic: Deprived was paid nao ?
Duffer1: who's quoted there fluffypony?
fluffypony: Duffer1: usagi
pankkake: who said that
Apocalyptic: the length people go to make up shit these days... amazes me
fluffypony: "Look at Marc (Kakobrekla) who is now business partners with Mircea Popescu. When Pirate collapsed, CPA paid him 1140 BTC. Just like that. We didn't scam anybody. But what does he do? He removed his WOT rating for me."
fluffypony: kakobrekla: how could you do that! remove a WOT rating! the horror.
pankkake: well usagi given that he mentions Deprived
pankkake: but that's a new one for me
bounce: ``Because this is still the prime (and only meaningful) communication forum for bitcoin and those of us who believe in bitcoin try to keep it as useful as possible.'' -- ckolivas
kakobrekla: but my name is not marc :(
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla shut up marc :D
fluffypony: kakobrekla: it is now!
Apocalyptic: haha poor kako, first Martin, then Marc
kakobrekla: and he didnt pay 1140, twas less.
jborkl: obvious scams to customers ok, fuck you not ok- we understand da ruulz now
mircea_popescu: marcel kakobrekla!
mircea_popescu: afaik he did in fact pay a hefty sum back i nthe day (btc was like 5 bux then or something). all those posts are beleeted now, but they were riotous
mircea_popescu: ended up selling his guitar or something.
nubbins`: marsellus kakobreklus
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is ckolivas
joecool: con
jborkl: CGminer dev
jborkl: good guy , very smart
joecool: he gasses children for a living
nubbins`: you can make a living doing that?
joecool: yeah, medical school, etc
nubbins` ponders this over coffee
jborkl: he is a doctor first
fluffypony: isn't he the guy Luke-Jr is constantly fighting with?
nubbins`: i remember trying to describe being gassed for my tonsil removal
joecool: fluffypony: yeah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
nubbins`: after struggling for a bit, i said "it's like doing whippets until you pass out"
nubbins`: moments later, i realized it *is* doing whippets until you pass out
mircea_popescu ponders this over whippets
nubbins`: heh!
joecool: i got to know him awhile back from his kernel patchset, his main coding hobby before bitcoin was rewriting the linux cpu sched
mircea_popescu: "The Whippet (also English Whippet or Snap dog) is a breed of medium-sized dog"
nubbins`: ;;ud whippet
gribble: | Nitrous oxide found in small metal cannisters used in refillable whipped cream cannisters. Used as an inhalant drug to get high.
mircea_popescu: i knew all you labradorian/newfoundlandians are weird. sexually speaking.
mircea_popescu: with dogs.
nubbins`: hey now!
mircea_popescu: joecool jborkl so basically old time dev with impacted notions. aite.
joecool: Linux superbia 3.13.10-ck1 #5 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 14 18:25:25 EDT 2014 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2760QM CPU @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: There's been hostility between the two that leds to the cgminer bfgminer fork
joecool: Luke-Jr: you need to msg the bot to talk
mircea_popescu: !up Luke-Jr
assbot: Voicing Luke-Jr for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up Luke-Jr
assbot: Voice for Luke-Jr extended to 30 minutes.
Luke-Jr: what bot
joecool: assbot
mircea_popescu: id with gribble then msg assbot !up
fluffypony: you need to massage assbot:-P
mircea_popescu: "This user is currently NOT AUTHENTICATED. If you are currently talking to someone who claims to be this person, you may be talking to an impostor and scammer."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 240 @ 0.00077777 = 0.1867 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !hi assbot
nubbins`: Darwin Jons-MB.local 13.1.0 Darwin Kernel Version 13.1.0: Thu Jan 16 19:40:37 PST 2014; root:xnu-2422.90.20~2/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
mircea_popescu: ^ that's me talking to a scammeur!
mircea_popescu: so twitter bought gnip
nubbins`: ;;ud gnip
gribble: | gnip gnop. Simply put, Ping Pong spelled backwards. Slang and humorous word used instead of "Ping Pong". Origin: Mansfield University, PA. "You boys up for ...
mircea_popescu: nubbins` they were a data miner, on the full feeds of shit like twitter and instagram
nubbins`: so twitter bought their own data
fluffypony: so twitter bought a data miner of their own data?
fluffypony: snap nubbins`
joecool: i suppose it's easier than paying for the development of a new internal tool
bounce: keeps the competition from looting your "IP", and maybe allows you to snoop on the competition.
nubbins`: joecool for some definitions of "easy"
joecool: bounce: and that too
fluffypony: "hey dawg, I heard you like data, so we bought some data so we could put your data inside the data"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony esentially.
mircea_popescu: they were investors in it anyway iirc.
mircea_popescu: really this entire circus is not so much unlike usagi's 2012 businesses. usagi-cpa has bought usagi-derp from usagi-herp worth OVER NINE THOUSAND
bounce: value-add to the valuation, win-win maximisation, hey hey hey
BingoBoingo: Really usagi is probably more instructive than Pirateat40 for things to beware of
mircea_popescu: prolly, yeah
pankkake: it's also the French name of the wifebeater shirt
bounce: bit of a recursive fail, that pic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.064305 = 0.1286 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00012005 = 0.7203 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: soo, some twerps in spain decided "trilema" sounds kinda cool, started a foundation whatever. i sent them a friendly note about six months ago pointing out that it's a registered trademark and they're playing with fire. which they ignored.
mircea_popescu: so today i got to send them a notice that they either self-destruct and apologize or else i'm suing them. in, obviouisly, romanian court.
mike_c: do they spell it wrong too?
fluffypony: is the trademark registered in the EU, or just in Romania?
fluffypony has no idea how EU trademark law works
pankkake: spanish is spelled wrong
mircea_popescu: nice class 41, too, which makes it pretty lulzy.
mike_c: hah, you against a bunch of geezers :)
mircea_popescu: they better pay up.
joecool: you whippersnapper!
mircea_popescu: ima buy bitcoins out of trademark enforcing moneyz, how about that!
fluffypony: ah, it's across EU
mircea_popescu: fluffypony us too, actually.
fluffypony ponders
pankkake: the real question is why would you care?
mircea_popescu: they have a reciprocity deal so mickey mouse can be owned by disney
mircea_popescu: pankkake it pays to care.
joecool: !up Luke-Jr
assbot: Voicing Luke-Jr for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: they could have arranged a license back last year, if they had a clue.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: was that costly? I'm an Italian citizen, wife is German, so I can register an EU trademark instead of the shitty meaningless South African one
mircea_popescu: it doesn't pay to ignore what i say, and i'm definitely going to be enforcing THAT part.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony a few grand.
fluffypony: not bad
mircea_popescu: like tms normally cost.
fluffypony: yeah, same as here
TestingUnoDosTre: Oh my I love the term USBS. please use moar often
mircea_popescu: and you don't need to be any sort of citizen, you can reg it on your corp.
joecool: US trademarks are a lot cheaper
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre yeah huh!
mircea_popescu: joecool somehow i doubt that.
mircea_popescu: granted i've not reg'd any in years, but they were about the same back in the day
joecool: mircea_popescu: for a US trademark, i think it cost ~$400 or so
mircea_popescu: a but that's us only.
mircea_popescu: yeah, you can get regional marks in the us too, for a coupla hundred iirc.
mircea_popescu: in the eu too i mean
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0325 = 0.5525 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic well it'd better eh.
joecool: mircea_popescu: i must have misread, i thought trilema was just EU-registered
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 39 @ 0.08299776 = 3.2369 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00519999 = 0.156 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: is this the book TAT mentionned earlier ?
mircea_popescu: !up wywialm
assbot: Voicing wywialm for 30 minutes.
wywialm: hi, thanks for upvoting
mircea_popescu: ;;rate wywialm 1 New blood
wywialm: will ident in a second
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wywialm has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: now you can selfup.
wywialm: wow, thanks
wywialm: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'wywialm', with hostmask 'wywialm!', is identified as user 'wywialm', with GPG key id B8F8FFF5052A2FA4, key fingerprint 6066C0309D81DBE48E97D6CCB8F8FFF5052A2FA4, and bitcoin address None
ThickAsThieves: copyright troll!
BingoBoingo: From 2010, related to the Cow business in Utah
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no, actually, patent troll!
mircea_popescu: It'll take plenty of military paychecks to cover the $5,600 price tag
mircea_popescu: that's actually remarkably cheap
BingoBoingo: Well they give is paygrade as E-3 and the year 2010, lemme pull up the paycheck
BingoBoingo: With the 4 years of service mentioned $1923/month
thestringpuller: - downloading fonts from github...dunno how I should feel about this...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1657 @ 0.00012 = 0.1988 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up neilol
assbot: Voicing neilol for 30 minutes.
neilol: thank you sir
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, what i meant was teh gun is pretty cheap considering it's a .5 bolt
mircea_popescu: neilol sure
mircea_popescu: !up Neil
assbot: Voicing Neil for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: hey, you know hopw to voice yourself do you ?
neilol: register with gribble
neilol: not sure of the process but if i need it
neilol: i'll figure it out
joecool: ;;guide
gribble: Error: "guide" is not a valid command.
joecool: wat
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah. Still the expensive part with something like that is feeding it.
mircea_popescu: neilol i meant Neil. you, i think you'll have to get into the wot first
mircea_popescu: !up Naphex
assbot: Voicing Naphex for 30 minutes.
Naphex: thanks
Naphex: tbh this might be an annoying system :]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05115252 = 0.2046 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.08299776 = 0.332 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's it, like 3 bux a round
BingoBoingo: Lemme pull that up
mircea_popescu: Naphex get rated then it's a breeze
Naphex: don't do much OTC to get rated
BingoBoingo: No less than $3.50 quickly goes up from there
pankkake: first one is basically a dildo
mircea_popescu: they're tracers tho
mircea_popescu: but in principle if you're practice shooting you dun care.
BingoBoingo: Well depends on how far you are practicing out to.
bounce: funny how those "birthers" complain about policies set by, er, the previous guy?
mircea_popescu: "Due to limited supplies, and high demand this item has a 10 piece maximum order quantity per customer, every 1 day." heh
mircea_popescu: meanwhile copper is tanking.
mircea_popescu: da fuck will this world make sense.
BingoBoingo: bounce: To be fair they were also angry about the guy before the previous guy
mircea_popescu: pankkake kinda has to be a dildo, cause otherwise body armor.
BingoBoingo: Also trucks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03261752 = 0.1305 BTC [-] {3}
bounce: that sounds like what I'd been thinking already: they're looking for excuses to dislike, instead of just admitting they don't like that party
mircea_popescu: anyway, they're like 20kj per shot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315005 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: bascially works as anti aircraft too
bounce: tree fiddy a round
mircea_popescu: should go through about an inch of steel.
Naphex: anybody from / or with connections to buy some ad space on it?
mircea_popescu: iirc he worked there, can prolly get you in touch with whoever.
Naphex: alright, thanks
BingoBoingo: Basically there are a lot of people who want the US to collapse the wrong way, and they were ready to see it happen over cows.
mircea_popescu: << cryptome bravely wades into the public, withoiut a +m
mircea_popescu: curious how long they last.
wywialm: ha, it works!
wywialm: thanks, mircea_popescu
bounce: what, there's a right way to collapse?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00096616 = 7.2462 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the russians don't agree, but i would say the way the soviet union collapsed is the right way to collapse.
mircea_popescu: no violence, massive humiliation, come back in two decades as a major.
Apocalyptic: bounce, there is, like there is a right way to land a plan without engines
Apocalyptic: *plane
Naphex: akamai released a guarded allocator for openssl
bounce: IMO there's a larger issue but this is as good a hook as any, and that's that plenty the infrastructure relies on same being present and functional. there's a few ways to guard against that, and we might investigate them all.
Naphex: how nice of em
wywialm: how can this scenario be possible in case of US?
mircea_popescu: wywialm same way it was possible in the case of the ussr, i guess.
mircea_popescu: it never seems possible till it happens.
bounce: might be useful to survey the cracks and see how serious they are
mircea_popescu: bounce im not sure i follow your thought.
mircea_popescu: Naphex so what exactly is your function at this btcxchange thing ?
bounce: like inspecting a building for structural problems or a pipe or aeroplane for hairline cracks or, well, you know. only on the country level. roads, utilities, but also government, how much and what kinds of corruption, that sort of thing. map it out.
asciilifeform: re: that rifle - for some reason it is astoundingly popular.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you know the reason ?
wywialm: bounce, what is your estimate of the current us cracks?
Naphex: mircea_popescu: mostly coding
asciilifeform: anti-materiel round
mircea_popescu: Naphex so who runs it ?
asciilifeform: a (very theoretical) pill against 'black helicopter' etc.
bounce hasn't even started with the study. but it looks less well than it perhaps ought to be.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: Horea Vuscan is the owner
Duffer1: is he the wallet or the ceo?
Duffer1: both?
mircea_popescu: seems the assbot was asleep at that time, but this was discussed once before :
mircea_popescu: so whose was the idea to print the cert ? horea vuscan's ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.44522880 BTC to 8`385 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
wywialm: bounce, mircea_popescu, do you imagine that us collapse would come together with general usG collapse, including official default?
mircea_popescu: bounce i think your methodology is broken, in that it assumes a sort of linear scalability. broken government is not akin to broken windows.
mircea_popescu: wywialm us collapse = usg collapse. what else ? not like kansas will fall off the map or something.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: it's suposed to be wholly transparent, so yeah printing the cert was included
bounce: where'd you find linearity? o_O?
Naphex: public owner, cert printed, offices exist etc
mircea_popescu: Naphex aite send me mail from its domain i'll give you a 1 rating
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 683 @ 0.00015999 = 0.1093 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 2.43718776 BTC to 148`428 shares, 1642 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: bounce here : "like inspecting a building for structural problems or a pipe or aeroplane for hairline cracks or, well, you know. only on the country level. roads, utilities, but also government, how much and what kinds of corruption, that sort of thing. map it out."
asciilifeform: 'predicting that something is going to happen is a lot easier than predicting when something will happen. Suppose you have an old bridge: the concrete is cracked, chunks of it are missing with rusty rebar showing through. An inspector declares it “structurally deficient.” This bridge is definitely going to collapse at some point, but on what date? That is something that nobody can tell you. If you push for
asciilifeform: an answer, you might hear something like this: If it doesn’t collapse within a year, then it might stay up for another two. And if it stays up that long, then it might stay up for another decade. But if it stays up for an entire decade, then it will probably collapse within a year or two of that, because, given its rate of deterioration, at that point it will be entirely unclear what is holding it up.'
bounce: I don't see it. I was saying to map it, do linear regression on it.
wywialm: i can imagine us collapse in the sense of it falling apart with some central power still serving the debt etc - not very realistic scenario, sure. I just wanted to ask to be sure
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00095936 / 0.00096627 (269828 shares, 258.86 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096649 / 0.00101 (3227854 shares, 3,119.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00092994 / 0.00101 (22778761 shares, 21,183.10 BTC)
BingoBoingo: wywialm: Basically the thing to hope for is USSR style collapse rather than Somalia style collapse
asciilifeform: '...If the number of cement chunks falling out of your bridge keeps doubling, you can compute the moment when every last piece of the bridge will be in the river, and that is your upper bound.'
benkay: little pockets of civilization will endure, wywialm.
benkay: near eletricity generation sites, i'm hoping.
mircea_popescu: bounce so you don't see where linearity is in "linear regression" ?
bounce: oh, there's a "not" missing there. duh.
mircea_popescu: lol ok, well, if you elide nots it'll become hard to follow :D
dignork: mircea_popescu: I talked with Spondoolies-Tech CEO, he'll try to get to this channel later tonight, if you have any specific questions I can forward then in the meantime
dignork trying his shilling skills
bounce: point was to make visible the rot. what to do after that, well... can even just eyeball the thing and look at crumbling acceleration rates and such
asciilifeform: 'Spondoolies' ?! - actual name of something ?
dignork: asciilifeform: yes, no idea where the name came from
bounce: wikipedia knows, of course. sea shells.
wywialm: surely some sort of (even collapse-induced) decentralisation/recentralisation of power could bring much fresh air, but...
dexX7: can anyone tell me how google and other providers handle email rejections? i have some trouble with a hoster which i'm using as intermediate hop to relay my mails.. and currently every request/mail is rejected. service said they'll fix it "in the next 24 hours" -.-"
wywialm: ...but it's hard for me to believe that us is the first in line
bounce: noticed how the french revolution caused /more/, not less, centralisation? france hasn't quite recovered yet.
fluffypony: dexX7: typically they let it through but flag it as spam unless something is very wrong
fluffypony: dexX7: is the intermediary hop in your SPF record?
wywialm: bounce, surely, but the ussr collapse, which is (as i noticed) main reference point now, lead to less centralization
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.03114122 = 0.5294 BTC [-] {5}
dexX7: i set the ns records of the hop in the domain settings and the intermediate simply redirects the mails
wywialm: so it's not easy to perform generalizations here. Probably most obvious example of decentralizing "collapse" (or rather decline) would be Rome
bounce: that took a goodly while, though
wywialm: maybe the key difference is the time - and gradual nature
bounce: likewise the ottoman empire
fluffypony: dexX7: yes, but the email will look like it's coming from the intermediary, no? so it will have to be in your SPF?
wywialm: bounce, thats why "collapse" and not collapse
dexX7: i guess: yes
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Naphex 1
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Naphex has been recorded.
bounce: and, I don't think russia is quite done yet.
mircea_popescu: dignork that is splendid
mircea_popescu: no rush or anything
Naphex: worked, thans
mircea_popescu: bounce as a "map the rot" project this is probably valuable even if it gets no direct results.
Naphex: thanks even
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
mircea_popescu: little better available in training devices in any craft than "failure examination"
fluffypony: dexX7: I'm guessing, of course, I may be wrong
mircea_popescu: Naphex yw
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mircea_popescu: <wywialm> ...but it's hard for me to believe that us is the first in line << it's the first in line of the set {US}
dexX7: well, should not be much of a problem, even if it's a blackhole at the moment. thanks fluffy anyway :)
fluffypony: dexX7: btw is this being used programmatically by a system, or is it normal user-generated emails?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.063602 = 0.1908 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: (cover of an old uni textbook i had)
mircea_popescu: <wywialm> maybe the key difference is the time - and gradual nature << they didn't have the press. which is why it took longer. ussr didn't have the internet, which is why it took so damned long.
Apocalyptic: that's a title you don't see very often
mircea_popescu: the us can collapse in all of two weeks, as tech stands today.
dexX7: rabbit answered re: cold glass devices and probably comes by sooner or later
asciilifeform: cold glass?
dexX7: *dildos
dexX7: hehe
dexX7: sec
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0075 = 0.3 BTC [+]
fluffypony: dexX7: been using this recently, and it's awesome:
dexX7: fluffypony: it's simply a webhost with mail service which redirects all incomings
bounce: checked the DNSBLs?
BingoBoingo: dexX7: Do you have DKIM set up?
mircea_popescu: Naphex you'll prolly have to point out to your boss you're doing more marketing/pr than anyone there.
mircea_popescu: time for a raise.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony srsly ? wtf does it do ? i was just deriding it yest.
asciilifeform: 'NFC technology, you can be certain that the chip inside is exactly your chip- it has a unique authenticity signature, non-clonable, and most usefully, an access counter.' << someone needs 'protocol vs. promise' lesson?
Naphex: mircea_popescu: hehe, will send him a note :] only got 2 extra toothpicks this year:(
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I have constant issues with customers marking order updates as spam accidentally/on purpose, have that happen a few times and suddenly all customers stop getting emails from your domain
bounce: what, you're saying broadcasting unique serial numbers is somehow not automagic security on top? but! It's NFC, man!
fluffypony: all GMail customers, sorry
fluffypony: should have specified that
mircea_popescu: is this vuscan fellow the son of the oil factory vuscan, with the 3 victims traffic accident ?
fluffypony: but mailgun mails seem to go through no problem
dexX7: well, there is something about DKIM in the header
Naphex: mircea_popescu: yes
Naphex: former Horea Oil
Naphex: for cooking, was named after him i think
joecool: BingoBoingo: lawl, ozzy got away with paying texas $10k to forget about it
BingoBoingo: joecool: Yeah
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so basically it sells you gmail protection services ? the spam racket ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: bingo
dexX7: anyway. i'm away again, thanks and bye :)
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is ycombinator involved in everything unsavoury.
bounce: they're angels, that's why
pankkake: dexX7: the basics are: reverse dns of sending server should be related to the expeditor domain (or at least be something), and SPF entries are always a plus
wywialm: mircea_popescu, still i don't see how currently visible and not visible but suspected cracks might bring down us
rithm: it's called "hacker news" after all
pankkake: you can search your IP on DNSBLs, maybe you've been flagged
joecool: $4k to "pay for the damage" who gets paid $4k to hose off a wall?
mircea_popescu: wywialm this is why i made my linearity objeciton. it won't collapse because of "cracks". it will collapse because all the people that matter are fucking sick of it.
mircea_popescu: and the people that matter are the 1%, not the average fucktard on reddit/the metro.
wywialm: true
fluffypony: yeah, because Occupy Wall Street was so successful
fluffypony: it just kinda went nowhere and fizzled out
bounce: so? hairline cracks are much less % of aeroplanes, but if you don't watch out the wings might still fall off
bounce: s/less/& than/
asciilifeform: 'occupy lolstreet' is analogous to zhirinovsky's political party in the late ussr
wywialm: still, these people have some exposure to us treasuries - and yields are further than anytime from signaling default
asciilifeform: yes, the one set up by kgb
bounce: argl, cancel subst
Naphex: mircea_popescu: funny how people always remember the victim count :P
bounce needs food, badly
asciilifeform: as 'first second party!11!'
mircea_popescu: wywialm actually the exposure to treasuries is mostly pension funds.
asciilifeform: both -> exposure to 'bail-in'
wywialm: from my knowledge, the highest exposure is interbank collateral, bank reserves and China
mircea_popescu: in other news, the bubble is having trouble
mircea_popescu: wywialm we were talking fo the {1%, 99%} set I thought
mircea_popescu: banks reduce to their shareholders, and foreign sovereigns don't count
mircea_popescu: china holding us debt is no sort of statement of confidence in the usg, quite the contrary, it's a claim on its asshole.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.0009663 = 16.0406 BTC [+] {3}
wywialm: i once gave it (the china matter) a thought, and currently i believe it is to weak a claim. in case of default, china would get much much more hurt than us
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
wywialm: and banks are currently increasingly departed from their shareholders, too close to washington, dc
mircea_popescu: wywialm how do you figure, "much more hurt" ?
mircea_popescu: "china takes over alaska administration, in consideration of debts owed by us government"
mircea_popescu: not thaty hurt.
wywialm: china banking system is built upon dollar reserves, after they evaporate, china could only use military force. And when it comes to war, any claim can serve only as a pretext
wywialm: i don't believe china would need a pretext if they were sufficiently prepared
mircea_popescu: i don't see that claim.
wywialm: bonds as a claim
mircea_popescu: chinese banks were built that way briefly in the 70s, i would guess.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile it's a lot more complicated, they also peg to the euro, they also peg to a russian synthetic-currency derived out of energy holdings,
mircea_popescu: and these are just the big ones
wywialm: why then the china monetary growth halts so rapidly when US QE3 is gradually folding, both in terms of dollar money supply growth and expectation of its future path?
mircea_popescu: their asian interests marginally exceed us and europe combined, for instance.
mircea_popescu: so while it wouldn't be alaksa per se, there's plenty of places it can be.
mircea_popescu: wywialm many possible reasons. they had a number of local crises brewing for a long time, when your neighbour is arrested for unkempt yard is a good time to do a little lawn mowing in your own.
wywialm: if the dollar wasn't their main reference point and concern, PBoC could sustain their previous money growth at will
wywialm: after all, inflating the currency is not so difficult
mircea_popescu: of course they could.
mircea_popescu: they don't seem to want to.
bounce: how much for alaska, buying a free state with bitcoin?
wywialm: obviously true, at least in case of china.
wywialm: i remember some economists claiming that e.g. Japan couldn't inflate any further by printing money
mircea_popescu: bounce i would guess when it eventually sells it'll be something like 500k-1mn btc
wywialm: that was before Kuroda at the BoJ, of course
mircea_popescu: wywialm lol
wywialm: google richard koo, if i recall correcty
mircea_popescu: "Today, the tech industry is apparently on track to destroy one of the world’s most valuable cultural treasures, San Francisco, "
mircea_popescu: dude holy shit. san francisco is barely fucking notable, what is this navel grazing crap.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
wywialm: and hordes of speciffically flavoured keynesians fearing the zero lower bound of interest rates, the called for fiscal expansion as a substitute
mircea_popescu: wywialm japan is not salvageable anyway.
bounce: o_O?
mircea_popescu: it has a history, but no future, just like england has a history, but no future.
Apocalyptic: not so sure about england
Apocalyptic: but definitely about Japan
mircea_popescu: they'll be the 51th state of their respective local superpowers, and be used exactly like san francisco is used today
joecool: nubbins`: you buying at all? i need a small amount of CAD
mircea_popescu: "o hey, 200 years ago mark twain whom you've read though this place was pretty cool.
mircea_popescu: back then, it was."
wywialm: i agree about japan
Naphex: mircea_popescu: how do I get btcx data into gribble?:D
fluffypony: Naphex: ask nanotube
mircea_popescu: nanotube may help you with that, possibly also talk to tcatm (runs bitcoincharts)
pankkake: first step is being on bitcoincharts I think
fluffypony: good point
thestringpuller: ;;ud hold up
gribble: | hold up. wait a minute! postpone your plans, there's something that must be addressed immediately. hold up, let me grab some munchies before we get goin.
Naphex: thanks
Naphex: already rolled out api, just need some accessors to help people with the public data
danielpbarron: do you run that site?
thestringpuller: benkay: you actually here or just frontin'
Naphex: hoping to finish the data plant and eur support sometime next week
asciilifeform: 'The Google Bus protesters have said that the company should build housing on its campus, but the Mountain View city council has explicitly forbidden Google from doing just that. They’ve argued that it’s to protect the city’s burrowing owl population.' << real estate parasites want to live too
Naphex: danielpbarron: one of the main programmers behind it
benkay: i'm here thestringpuller
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0524999 = 0.105 BTC [-]
bounce: programmer? can you describe your set-up a bit?
Naphex: bounce: setup of what, like the workstation?
bounce: whatever you think is important about developing and running the exchange.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.03199918 = 1.76 BTC [+] {4}
jborkl: mircea_popescu you see the American Airways twitter reponse yesterday?
mircea_popescu: jborkl that they apologise ? ya
jborkl: ya
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03280624 = 0.2624 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0637 = 0.1274 BTC [-]
wywialm: !down
assbot: Need a nickname, wywialm.
wywialm: !down wywialm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.063602 = 0.3816 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !down wywialm
mircea_popescu: hahaha niceone
Naphex: bounce: well for the trading engine i focused a lot on performance and security
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.08299776 = 0.581 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: Naphex, is it in php ?
Naphex: Apocalyptic: lol no
Apocalyptic: what language then ?
Naphex: Apocalyptic: java for the backend
mircea_popescu: java is focused on security ?!
Naphex: php for some of the frontend with no handling of critical data
Naphex: mircea_popescu: yeah, its not like its running in the browser
Naphex: plus you run it on isolated enviroment with no other vulnerable cruft there
wywialm: why did i get de-identified? why did i get kicked instead of muted?
mircea_popescu: wywialm questions for the ages.
Naphex: and you clean the input through load balancers before fowarding in it
Naphex: i expect more vulnerable code from C guys then Java guys tbh
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> java is focused on security ?! // surprised as well, it's not focused on performance either
pankkake: a selling point of java is its simplicity (I'm gentle, I hate that aspect but well)
Apocalyptic: gotta love that fat VM
Naphex: its pretty high performance if you're not running on shitty servlets
pankkake: in return it's easy to analyze
Naphex: Standalone java, nio, is pretty high performance tbh
TestingUnoDosTre: Haha American airlines twitted some pron?
Naphex: BigDecimal performance nicely as well
Naphex: don't belive it, try some benchmarks :P
Apocalyptic: Naphex, high performance compared to what an equivalent code compiled in C ? doubt it
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: yeah saw that, it's hilarious :)
pankkake: java is amazing in the sense that it performs well at benchmark
pankkake: but when you use it it FEELS so slow
Naphex: runs pretty good
Apocalyptic: pankkake, java and amazing don't belong to the same sentence, ever :D
fluffypony: I'll take an exchange with Java on the back than PHP any day
pankkake: fluffypony: yeah. even though, again, I really don't like Java as a developer
Naphex: i like it
fluffypony: pankkake: I personally dislike it too
Naphex: and i do C, C++ as well
Naphex: nothing to dislike about it
Naphex: imho
Naphex: its got hard types, you get away from low level
Naphex: its not that bad too scale, threading is a breeze
Naphex: NIO classes are awesome
Naphex: everything is checked, exceptions everywhere (yes a good thing) :)
Apocalyptic: exception handlers are a killing performance
Naphex: nothing to qq about
pankkake: yes, it's certainly cleaner than C++ on that aspect
Apocalyptic: you get away from low level // that's almost always a bad thing in performance critical applications
Naphex: Apocalyptic: they don't kill too much performance when you are sensible about it
Apocalyptic: i.e. it will probably spend a tremendous amount of time doing things you don't want it doing
bounce: how do load balancers clean input?
Naphex: doing Price-Time prio is not that performance critical that you can't do it with BigDecimal and java
Naphex: or you have to do a C/C plugin to optimize :P
Apocalyptic: plugins ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00096695 = 1.257 BTC [+]
Naphex: bounce: load balancer with packet inspection, validate messages and packets before
Apocalyptic: since you work with sathosi-precision an uint_64 is all you need
Apocalyptic: he bignum library will once again slow things down
Naphex: Apocalyptic: as in write a C .so to implement/optimize bogdowns
bounce: validate in what sense, ip packets? tcp streams?
Naphex: Apocalyptic: its not about that, you eventually want to support more currencies and some money formatting
Apocalyptic: so what ?
Naphex: bounce: down to data packets for specific services
Apocalyptic: you're telling me you will need to store things above 64-bit precision ?
bounce: http, or what're you taking in, FIX?
Apocalyptic: zimbabwe dollars planned soon ?
Naphex: hehe
fluffypony: I'd love me some Zim Dollaz
Naphex: Apocalyptic: its not that, but a lot more went into picking java, and i definetly wouldn't have picked C:P
Naphex: programmer availability would have been another one
Apocalyptic: for now all you're arguments for using java are kinda superfluous
Naphex: hard to find good C programmers vs java ones
Naphex: this around the location where i live
Apocalyptic: and it's clearly not optimized for performance given what you've described
kakobrekla: ;;rate usagi 1 Had a 1140 btc contract with usagi which entitled me to said amount on 2012-08-26. The final payment was done 2013-04-27, totaling 995 btc. The sum was 145 btc short but I agreed to let it slide because of distress on the market of the underlying 'securities' and rapid btc market price rise. The contract did not involve a requirement of leaving the feedback, but since he is asking to give him back btc 'for old time
kakobrekla: sakes', I will leave this feedback here.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user usagi has been recorded.
Naphex: easier to debug, maintain and analyze code others produced
kakobrekla: fuck it doesnt fit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13465 @ 0.00096695 = 13.02 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: <Naphex> easier to debug, maintain and analyze code others produced // ok this is a point
pankkake: omg!
Apocalyptic: but you will notice it has nothing to do with performance or securit
fluffypony: kakobrekla: now he'll have to recant his earlier statement
bounce: so, java for the back-end and some php for some front. what about the tradig webfront and the trading api?
Naphex: is from a java / rpc server standpoind :]
bounce: s/dig/ding/
fluffypony: Markakobrekla
kakobrekla: ;;rate usagi 1 Had a 1140 btc contract with usagi which entitled me to said amount on 2012-08-26. The final payment was done 2013-04-27, totaling 995 btc. The sum was 145 btc short but I agreed to let it slide because of distress on the market of the underlying 'securities' and rapid btc market price rise. The contract did not involve a clause re. wot, but since he is asking back btc, I will leave it here.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user usagi has changed from 1 to 1.
kakobrekla: thar.
Naphex: bounce: trading api just hits same engine api server as the frontend
mircea_popescu: Naphex you know you should be using ints for bitcoin in the first place. wtf decimal bs is this
Apocalyptic: mircea, see above
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wins the "longest rate comment" contest.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic yeah you beat me to it :p
Apocalyptic: who said anything about double ?
mircea_popescu: Naphex int dood. not decimal of any kind. int.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot usagi
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012
bounce: everybody knows accounting should be done on the double
mircea_popescu: check that shit out.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0525 = 0.1575 BTC [+] {2}
Naphex: mircea_popescu: bigdecimal gets to deal with all that, and you don't have to store multiple currencies with a scale value as well
Naphex: i have multi-currency support handled in the engine
mircea_popescu: if i were designing this it'd all be satoshi based, and your 19.99 dollars'd read as 1999000000
mircea_popescu: but anyway1
Naphex: and then you would've have kept the scale value as well right
Apocalyptic: maybe just set some smaller precision on the fiat side
Naphex: USD scale .2
bounce: alright, so, you cook up a new feature. hit reload and it goes live? or how does that work?
Naphex: dogecoin .scale 8
mircea_popescu: Naphex why keep a scale value ?
Apocalyptic: bounce, hotswapping code, gotta love it
mircea_popescu: you're on a 64 bit system, who the fuck is going to deposit enough dollars to take you out of maxint
Naphex: i dunno
Naphex: why care about that>
bounce: YKINMK, and anyway, let the guy explain
Apocalyptic: mircea, because he uses some arbitrary precision library he doesn't have a clue that he doesn't need it
Naphex: use bigdecimal and let it handle o.O
mircea_popescu: 92`233`720`368.54775807 worst case scenario.
mircea_popescu: even obama dun have it.
bounce: or that mexican telephone guy
davout: Apocalyptic: what's wrong with a bigdecimal type?
Naphex: davout: nothing is
Naphex: hehe
Apocalyptic: compared to native int handling it's worse performance-wise
Apocalyptic: which is what we're arguing here
Naphex: i just don't need it, and would probably run faster going native
Naphex: too bad i run this on 32 core
Naphex: and i never get too feel much performance increase yet
davout: Apocalyptic: benchmark pl0x
Apocalyptic: even so, it will use 2 registers to store one Naphex
Apocalyptic: no big deal
davout: also if you really care about this kind of performance difference you're doing some seriously messed up shit
davout: :-)
Apocalyptic: still better than the thousands of CPU-cycles overhead using that BigDecimal
Naphex: time to start writing a new exchange engine, with its own kernel ;]
bounce: in perl
Naphex: Apocalyptic: too bad i can scale this too still low cost and get whole bitcoin exchange trafic
Naphex: and not break much sweat
davout: Apocalyptic: is it what you think or have you actually benchmarked it ? also cpu cycles are a couple of order of magnitudes cheaper than the time it takes to handle it the code level by hungry humans
bounce: naphex: suppose you cook up a new feature. how does it go in? save work, reload and go?
bounce: davout: for single applications, yes. for things that run on 30M+ cpus, not so much.
davout: bounce:
Naphex: bounce: nah, git checkout, compile, run tests, test in pre-production, run tests again
bounce: s/single/& deployment/ really
Naphex: shutdown and reload
davout: whoops
Apocalyptic: davout, i don't need to benchmark something I know will require 1 ASM MUL EAX,EBX instruction for exemple compared to a Java arbitrary-precision library
Naphex: when you do git checkout there are some other code preprocessing before, but doesn't matter
bounce: alright, so you have separate dev/test/prod environments. how does roll-back work, should that be necessary?
Naphex: bounce: time based snapshots, backups, and replayable transactions with microtime acuracy
Naphex: roll back everything to point in time X
Apocalyptic: "replayable transactions with microtime acuracy" now that's something nice
Naphex: worst case scenario manual data importing and conversiion
bounce: ever tested that?
davout: Apocalyptic: what kind of software that's so sensitive to minor performance differences were you guys discussing anyway ?
Naphex: bounce: yes
bounce: assuming you didn't have to do it in anger (yet)
Apocalyptic: davout, a trading engine
fluffypony: davout: BTC<->fiat exchange
bounce: what's the database like?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 707 @ 0.00016382 = 0.1158 BTC [-] {7}
fluffypony: bounce: good question
davout: Apocalyptic fluffypony and you guys worry about this kind of performance difference?
fluffypony: davout: I'm not
Apocalyptic: davout, when you come in claiming you have focused on performance yes
kakobrekla: all you really need is a better string.
Naphex: bounce: in memory, sql back stores
kakobrekla: maybe a golden chain.
fluffypony: davout: I'd probably go Galera Cluster for the DB + something monolithic for the trading engine...python? nfi. I haven't thought this through.
Naphex: Apocalyptic: haven't focused that far, no more debunking needed:P
bounce: so java in-memory or something like I dunno memcached?
Naphex: java in memory, with some inhouse disk based storage, and sql backstores
fluffypony: Naphex: you should switch to mongodb, it it's good enough for CoinBase it should be good enough for everyone
fluffypony: </sarcasm>
fluffypony: web scale!
davout: Apocalyptic fluffypony i wouldn't care about that, i'd care about having a fault tolerant memory db, that slowly gets synced to an actual rdbms
bounce: apropos, which sql thinger?
Apocalyptic: mysql obviously
Naphex: psql
pankkake: obviously?
Apocalyptic: was joking :)
Naphex: obviously
bounce: obviously.
Naphex: :))
bounce: ever had the power go out?
Naphex: bounce: diesel backup ;]
Naphex: coloc
bounce: hope you don't have to crank it up manually. :-)
Naphex: there's a slave there who does it :))
bounce: he fast enough that the batteries don't outrun him then?
Naphex: he senses power loss 20 minutes early
Naphex: using romanian voodoo magic ;]
fluffypony: gypsy slave?
fluffypony: or just ordinary slave?
Naphex: hehe
Apocalyptic: fluffypony, ask if they still have some copper left in the DC
davout: lol
fluffypony: 100mbps is good enough for anyone!
bounce: so, that's one box with 32cpus does everything except the load balancing?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 300 @ 0.14 = 42 BTC
fluffypony: 10Base-T coax, star topology?
Naphex: bounce: enough servers for everything, some stuff runs isolated
bounce: alright. monitoring?
bounce: 10BASE5 tentacled bus, silly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0667238 = 0.1334 BTC [+]
Naphex: realtime monitoring, rrd's for everything with alerts, everything critical is on a dashboard :)
bounce: who's looking at it, you?
bounce: if that's a question.... anyway, whose phone's gonna ring when the dashboard turns red?
Naphex: everyones
bounce: how many people total, about five or so?
Naphex: probably
bounce: alright, the prosecution rests. ;-)
Naphex: phew :))
Naphex: nah its serious stuff
Naphex: money is important for everyone ;]
bounce: yeah. these're the sort of questions people should've been asking from the start.
bounce: you at least look to've thought about it, so that's something.
Naphex: i did lots of this stuff before, so most come in natural
bounce: you worked at a bank before?
Naphex: a lot more risk to expect from handling money and bitcoins then public transport data
Naphex: nah - no banks
Naphex: embedded and industrial app development, in software
bounce: bit of an old boys network, apparently. hard to get chummy with if you're not one of them.
Naphex: and lots of backends
bounce: ah, hence java
fluffypony: bounce: and also seems to be quite an MS shop in many parts, at least with the older more established banks
Apocalyptic: makes sense
Naphex: yes
bounce: winderz but often with ibmish backends
fluffypony: lots of IBM DB2 on the backend if it's really old stuff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.052 = 0.156 BTC [-]
bounce: really should do linux (well, *BSD really) thin clients at least for all the desks, and something reasonable for a back-end. which might still be some mainframe or other.
fluffypony: and then for some reason automation and tooling written in COBOL
bounce: s/desks/teller stations/
fluffypony: bounce: from about 2003-2007 I was heavily involved with two of the local banks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00097009 = 11.5441 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: the one, Standard Bank, ran OS/2 warp in a VM for their home loans client
fluffypony: literally every single agent/manager/support person in the home loans dept used that
fluffypony: because rewriting the system would have been too expensive, and IBM sold them on OS/2 in the 80s/90s
bounce: OS/2 does funky things to the hardware, apparently a bitch to emulate
bounce: not a bad move otherwise. though I'd still be mighty tempted to just quietly start and refactor parts until I have a fully working system, even if it takes a few years
fluffypony: well that was one of the projects I was on
fluffypony: we started with reporting
fluffypony: instead of live reporting off DB2 (each business unit pays for DB2 access they use over the month, so it's pricey) it was cheaper to drop and re-copy the entire DB every night to a reporting DB
fluffypony: re-index, and fresh reports are available in the morning
fluffypony: no clue if it progressed much from there, I went on to other things
bounce: naphex: looking cool.
bounce: page appears to make some unwarranted assumptions in the layout, but anyway
Naphex: all sorts of machines for eastern europe mostly
bounce: should be plenty market, if a bit cash-strapped
Naphex: yeah
Naphex: few cities in romania that use our full solution for public transport
Naphex: some parking meters for poland
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1715 @ 0.00019872 = 0.3408 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 134 @ 0.0075 = 1.005 BTC [+]
fluffypony: <3 mg
fluffypony: it's honestly one of our better publications
asciilifeform: 'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean
asciilifeform: (circa 2005 ?)
BingoBoingo: C == Portable language that is dangerous because it offers too many points of failure, Java ==Portable language that places points of failure in the runtime to avoid C's points of failure
Apocalyptic: C is raw power, it's dangerous if you don't really know what you're doing
asciilifeform: they give plastic scissors to grade school students, too. - but not shoemakers. not yet.
asciilifeform: also funny how the two 'philosophies' can co-exist in one school. we had an 'operating systems' class. C, naturally. about six people remained to take final exam.
asciilifeform: (from, if i recall, 40)
Naphex: i don't have anything against C
Naphex: just wouldn't use it for a big project involving 4+ programmers in a usual work day
Naphex: every
jborkl: mircea_popescu <- finally happy with this result
asciilifeform: there is really no reason to still be using CPU archs without bounds checking, hardware-enforced types, mechanical garbage collection, etc.
asciilifeform: i sorta have a blog about this.
BingoBoingo: Indeed
mike_c: hardware garbage collection? what arch does that?
pankkake: was going to ask that
pankkake: or is it possible?
jurov: iirc lisp machines had no addressable memory, only stack
jurov: no heap = no garbage colletion
jurov: *had -> exposed
mike_c: so i dump a 5mb buffer on the stack?
mike_c: is lisp functional? this seems odd.
artifexd: jborkl: Dude! That is a seriously massive improvement!
bounce: bit heavy on the js for a page that doesn't look like it should need any
BingoBoingo: bounce: I have some basic (google free) analytics stuff.
Apocalyptic: Naphex, not surprising
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00096134 / 0.00097025 (244990 shares, 235.52 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096606 / 0.00101 (3233012 shares, 3,123.30 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00093014 / 0.00101 (22748973 shares, 21,159.92 BTC)
Apocalyptic: "but they said they are an industry-grade exchange !"
jborkl: artifexd ty - I am using a js cache on the server
jborkl: so might be why it looks heavy idk have not gotten that far yet
bounce: google isn't exactly parsimonious with client cycles.
bounce: pretty speedy response at least. but how the fsck do you fail to account for p/l on a day you "restart your systems"? what're they running, batch-only dinosaurs?
Apocalyptic: "Part of the gains or losses for that day are lost" is this acceptable ?
bounce: I'd say no, but I'm no accountant.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 3.17320895 BTC to 13`595 shares, 23341 satoshi per share
pankkake: bio id will always be stupid, why even try
bounce: hax! and yet you can see paypal deaffirm their religious beliefs in fingerprint "security". no wonder the hatted bunch keeps on having a field day.
fluffypony: pankkake I think it has its place
fluffypony: remember that like 90% of the world thinks "password" is an ok password, and "password1234" is secure
asciilifeform: jurov: hardware garbage collection? what arch does that << 'scheme-79' chip.
fluffypony: "password1234!" is ultra-secure
pankkake: maybe for unlocking the phone if it has been unlocked less than an hour ago, but I would never put more trust in it
bounce: spaceballs.
fluffypony: stuff like TouchID when coupled with iCloud Keychain is awesome for the general populace
fluffypony: as it makes drive-by attacks much harder
fluffypony: and moves the attack surface from drive-by, remove attacks, to on-device/in-person attacks
fluffypony: which are more sophisticated and targeted
bounce: why yes, "make believe security" and other snake oil are awesome for the general populace
fluffypony: bounce: we're talking about a significant improvement over the current state of affairs, that isn't snake oil
fluffypony: unless you believe user education is going to work and everyone is suddenly going to start using secure one-time passwords :-P
bounce: convenient shiny fingerprint pads with pre-supplied fingerprints are of course very well helped when secured by... fingerprints
fluffypony: sure, but it requires physical presence
fluffypony: you need to physically control the device
fluffypony: and unless you know I'm Bob the Billionaire with Billionz in his Bank...why target me?
bounce: sure, pickpockets and petty thieves usually prefer billionaires, that's a fact.
fluffypony: I don't think there's been a successful attack on TouchID / Samsung's fingerprint login that lifted a fingerprint from the device and used it to unlock it?
Naphex: fluffypony: backdoors in phone software ninjaing your accesses?:p
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1770 @ 0.00096649 = 1.7107 BTC [-] {2}
bounce: what was that lovely bypass bug in iOS again?
bounce: then there's the radio interface side
fluffypony: Naphex: yeah but that's a different attack surface entirely, I'm just talking about taking the general security level of the general populace up a notch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00096426 = 4.2427 BTC [-]
fluffypony: bounce: I fully agree, but again, we're not talking about sophisticated attacks here
bounce: the thing is that this "general populace" includes everyone, which to the fone company certainly includes *you*
nubbins`: joecool_ sorry, i generally don't buy
Apocalyptic: what's the last word on danny ?
fluffypony: bounce: also most of the iOS bypass bugs I've played with have exposed photos, or the dialler, or something...not a complete unmitigated unlock
bounce: the only real fix is that we really start thinking about this, and indeed, educate most people --which used to be possible, they learned their letters and numbers too, after all-- instead of just throwing the latest in buzzwordery at it. like "biometrics".
bounce: especially since biometrics are fundamentally and fatally flawed
mircea_popescu: "I assure you our system is not fundamentally flawed, there are bugs and we try to find them before the customer."
mircea_popescu: this sounds vaguely bitdaytradesque
Apocalyptic: ty fluffypony
bounce: it's the industry standard, with pentesting and other such "due diligence"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony "password1234!" is ultra-secure << remember the 88seals88 and pokerseals etc pws ?
fluffypony: lol yeah
kakobrekla: 88seals88 ?
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> unless you believe user education is going to work and everyone is suddenly going to start using secure one-time passwords :-P << i just belive everyone who isn't is going to be relegated to the salt mines. why should every human qualify as a "user" ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: so survival of the secure-ist?
mircea_popescu: whosoever can not use a computer, should not be using computers.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: agreed. is this about the time I self-identify as a bitcoin-assets cultist?
fluffypony: cultee?
kakobrekla: jesus fuuck 42k members?
mircea_popescu: perhaps ?
mircea_popescu: but you know... what now, make books that even people who won't learn the alphabet can read ?
mircea_popescu: make a math that doesn't need numbers ?
mircea_popescu: enough i say.
fluffypony: maybe there should be a test
mircea_popescu: bounce tbh biometrics was a thing of the 70s i thought. pretty much all sf of that decade had it, and by 90s it was in every action movie out there.
bounce: bingoboingo: later model MIPS in new process might be interesting too
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah that was actually a pw.
fluffypony: it could start with the difference between your and you're, than and then, and (to spite me) principal and principle:-P
mircea_popescu: fluffypony there is a test.
Apocalyptic: "I have a family funeral to attend." #1 BS excuse
Apocalyptic: seriously the guy isn't even trying to sound legit
bounce: oh, you want 32bit. hm. how about Z80000 for something nicely obscure? maybe moto 88k?
kakobrekla: it was the hamster.
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: I always ask if I can go along to provide support :)
kakobrekla: and if he says yes?
BingoBoingo: bounce: Sure but I dunno what a MIPs cooks as. A Vax though is a noble animal that has the potential for a delicious meat pie. Also just the sound of Vaxberry Pie works.
mircea_popescu: 'Mass abduction' at #Nigeria school- about 100 girls, likely by Boko Haram
mircea_popescu: they're in for some fun...
fluffypony: kakobrekla: then you go along
fluffypony: to provide support
BingoBoingo: bounce: A big point is that OpenBSD is already on Vax working well, and they are very unlikely to abandon it.
fluffypony: "Yes I am Mirceau Popescu soon to be extradited to the USSA"
kakobrekla: even its in zimbabwe, fluffypony?
kakobrekla: even if*
Apocalyptic: "Mirceau" again
bounce: apparently biometrics stays afloat on the pretty pix in teh moveez, for if you spend but a few seconds thinking about it, it becomes obvious that it cannot be a good fit for the purpose
Apocalyptic: "The lesson for anyone in the public domain should already be clear: Don't try to answer rumours on Reddit, unless you are also prepared to provide cast iron proof of what you say, don't discuss your family affairs on a public forum, and especially don't mention your children - this is stupid beyond belief"
Apocalyptic: guy has a point
fluffypony: kakobrekla: no, only if it's local, I'm assuming this isn't someone asking to go on an overseas holid^z^z^z^z family emergency
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic except it works like this : scammers love to mention their kids/wives (anyone recall patrick harnett ?)
mircea_popescu: for many reasons, part of which being that the emotional fuckwits who "invest" with them react to such
pankkake: interesting
mircea_popescu: but a bigger part of which being that when they go to shit, they can try to divert the discussion on unrelated emo topicsa
mircea_popescu: as if anyone gives a shit if danny brewster's daughter ends up in a snuff video or in cypriots have talent
Anduck: !up chairman_meow
assbot: Voicing chairman_meow for 30 minutes.
Apocalyptic: does he even have one ?
Anduck: chairman_meow: now you can ask more info from people here who may know how it works
mircea_popescu: but no, let's discuss nonsense instead of how fuckwit danny failed to enter the wot, then failed to heed when mp said get in the wot or i'll fuck you up, then got fucked up.
Anduck: you have 30 minutes
chairman_meow: assbot isnt working properly. I already ident'ed with gribble. I PM'ed !up to assbot, but it's failing
mircea_popescu: chairman_meow you have to be in its trust chain.
chairman_meow: it tells me "You must auth with gribble first."
Apocalyptic: ;;gettrust assbot chairman_meow
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user chairman_meow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot chairman_meow
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user chairman_meow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
Apocalyptic: damn you mircea
chairman_meow: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'chairman_meow', with hostmask 'chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314', is identified as user 'paulo_', with GPG key id 1E981889706069F0, key fingerprint 065ED8592B2D20D56C12E80A666D9FB930A2134D, and bitcoin address None
Apocalyptic: chairman_meow, it's working as intended
jurov: ;;gettrust assbot paulo_
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user paulo_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sun Apr 1 16:46:37 2012
Anduck: Apocalyptic, mircea_popescu: if it works correctly, then the message is wrong. "You must auth with gribble first."
mircea_popescu: maybe kakobrekla can be arsed to make special error messages for each case. or maybe not. ha-ha!
pankkake: I have compiled sudo with the "offensive" USE flag. when my password is wrong, I get random insults
mircea_popescu: "If individuals admit guilt & reach civil settlement w/ govt, they can't deduct costs from tax returns. Companies can" << true, and pretty epic
chairman_meow: so.. I need a trust connection to assbot?
mircea_popescu: you need a rating from someone assbot trusts.
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 15899 BTC profit, 33.1k BTC invested, 1044.40 mio bets, 5.18 mio BTC wagered
mircea_popescu: there's your list
BingoBoingo: chairman_meow: What do you do?
bounce: such not authenticated
Anduck: hehe
BingoBoingo: !up chairman_meow
assbot: Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: special message for what
chairman_meow: so.. what to do now heh
chairman_meow: I need to trade with one of these guys?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla apparently if id'd but untrusted guy pms assbot he gets the same message as if he weren't id'd.
kakobrekla: impossibru
mircea_popescu: well at least it's what the guy claims.
Naphex: nah you get you need wot>0
Naphex: i can verify
mircea_popescu: ah ? ok then!
Anduck: mircea_popescu: i've been wondering why do you not use bitcointalk forums?
Anduck: and why doesnt your pr use irc???
mircea_popescu: because i don't associate with idiots.
Apocalyptic: Anduck, really ?
Anduck: yes really
Apocalyptic: (first question)
mircea_popescu: because what use would she be if i;m here ?
Anduck: well why is his pr then using bitcointalk :D
chairman_meow: maybe assbot is sending to gribble ";;ident chairman_meow"
Apocalyptic: cause she was paid to
mircea_popescu: i spent some money trying to educate a bunch of idiots.
chairman_meow: ;;ident chairman_meow
mircea_popescu: it benefited a few.
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'chairman_meow', with hostmask 'chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314', is identified as user 'paulo_', with GPG key id 1E981889706069F0, key fingerprint 065ED8592B2D20D56C12E80A666D9FB930A2134D, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: chairman_meow: Well what you do affects how you get trust
bounce: chairman_meow: trade, impress, get chummy with, con, bribe, blackmail, what-have-you.
chairman_meow: oh wait, nevermind that was wrong
chairman_meow: why the change of rules for bitcoin-assets?
mircea_popescu: chairman_meow read the logs for the 10th, iirc.
Anduck: someone with assbot trust now needs to rate him
Anduck: so he can up himself
chairman_meow: ok, you can just let me be unvoiced now. I guess I'll eventually get that trade
BingoBoingo: Well I wouldn't be averse to offering trust for a small trade if I knew what the person's shtick is
mircea_popescu: kinda curious what that guy that was going to do the math to show how weight is not sharp enough comes up with.
BingoBoingo: !up chairman_meow
assbot: Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: chairman_meow start with simpler stuff. what do you do ?
BingoBoingo: Not necessary monetary, quid pro quo works
chairman_meow: mircea_popescu: well I invest in just-dice
chairman_meow: I don't really do much
chairman_meow: sometimes dogecoins
mircea_popescu: how much of their 10k is you ?
Anduck: how is that relevant
Apocalyptic: Anduck, that's probably the extent of his involvement with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: because if he comes back with something like 10% i'll challenge him to prove it, after which rate him.
Apocalyptic: given he mentionned that as the #1 thing
mircea_popescu: otherwise, anyone can invest a bitcent anywhere, hardly a qualifier.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00096236 = 7.2177 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03000101 = 0.27 BTC [+] {2}
Anduck: sure
chairman_meow: I haven't invested much. it's a small amount. I'm looking for more returns on bitcoin price swings
chairman_meow: so... I guess I don't really need access to this channel
bounce: ;;rate naphex 1, grilled with cheese
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user naphex has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: well if you got something materially relevant you can always get someone to up you, so, no need to panic
fluffypony: ;;rate Naphex 1 if steals your money this guy will personally sort you out
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Naphex has been recorded.
Naphex: hehe thanks for the rate ^^
mircea_popescu: !up LorenzoMoney
assbot: Voicing LorenzoMoney for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Ah, this Baron thing is hard. Especially when it comes to considering what may be worthy of accepting someone as a Ridder or Jonhkeer
chairman_meow: hmmm I'm looking at the logs
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: vaxberry pie << pick up fpga dev board on ebay.
chairman_meow: I can't seems to find out why the rules changed
fluffypony: chairman_meow: mutual consent
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo indeed. it should be.
fluffypony: groupthink
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: maximally evil closed build chain, but you can actually specify a circuit, e.g. pdp-11.
mircea_popescu: scientologee!
fluffypony: flying spaghetti monsterism
mircea_popescu: yeah we kinda need a mascot or something don't we.
mircea_popescu: the holy sharpie in the worldy pooper ?
fluffypony: Buttcoins Inc?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well I was more imagining what it would take for a Rasberry Pi to truly be a TI-89 surrogate than imagining a project for myself in the near future.
mircea_popescu: maybe a giant soldering iron.
asciilifeform: rectothermcoin.
BingoBoingo: Where is nubbins` to do this art
mircea_popescu: god i love that shape
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've one quite like this, here.
mircea_popescu: do you compulsively play with the support ?
asciilifeform: how'd you guess.
mircea_popescu: because it's quite clearly what it's for.
mircea_popescu: geek titties.
asciilifeform: sproing, sprooing.
mircea_popescu: rectothermicon
mircea_popescu: like the necronomicon, only better.
mircea_popescu: so a bunch of romanians found an ancient article in which i sliced a rabbit and are having aneurisms all over my comment section. kinda funnay to watch.
asciilifeform: wait people don't eat those in ro?
jborkl: my WOT nick is jborkl_ and the nick I use is jborkl - you have to change to jborkl_ with gribble auth with assbot then /nick jborkl
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure.
asciilifeform: over here, they can only be had in korean markets, because americans are weirdos
jborkl: that is why his did not work
mircea_popescu: there's a thin sliver of romanians who wannabe us hipster liberals.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably an East Coast thing. No serious problem finding them here.
mircea_popescu: it's like... twice over the pretense
asciilifeform: i've often wondered if the local busybodies would go apeshit if one were to set up a snare.
paulo_: I can confirm jborkl. using an IRC nick different from WOT nick confuses assbot
asciilifeform: (rabbit is a common garden pest here)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only one way to find out.
Anduck: !up chairman_meow
assbot: Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I dunno about in your location, but here a license is nominally required. Much as for fishing.
Anduck: :)
jborkl: ok I did my good deed for the year - time to relax
mircea_popescu: the difference of course being i can slaughter one and post it on my blog, daring the "pet police" to do anything,
asciilifeform: my new pad, as of next month, has a yard. so i shall find out.
mircea_popescu: whereas you'd prolly end up in a holding cell
BingoBoingo: Maybe not?
asciilifeform: i know a fellow, not far from where i live, with a secret chicken coup
mircea_popescu: what's this, leningrad ?
asciilifeform: gringograd
mircea_popescu: in 1987 teh police had bucharest surrounded, checking all inbound car traffic to make sure nobody's sneaking any potatoes into town.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.0009617 = 7.0204 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00096183 / 0.00097025 (241260 shares, 232.05 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096403 / 0.00100381 (3106224 shares, 2,994.50 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00093026 / 0.00101 (22725656 shares, 21,140.85 BTC)
Apocalyptic: mircea, why would they do that ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: grew the delicious beast yourself, or caught in the wild?
mircea_popescu: i just bought it
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic because insane, on the first level.
mircea_popescu: some sort of "combatting black market" or w/e.
mircea_popescu: dude... and this is STILL not enough reason to just send the national guard and beat anyone not rich into a pulp ?
mircea_popescu: da fuck already.
asciilifeform: satan preserve us. the 'google bus' folks again?!
mircea_popescu: you;'ll have to excuse me, i'm indulging a bottle of cognac and my inclination to be wtf'd.
mircea_popescu: to quote the world's foremost "yuppie scum", one vincent vega :
mircea_popescu: Lance: Still got your Malibu?
mircea_popescu: Vincent: Aw, man. You know what some fucker did the other day?
mircea_popescu: Lance: What?
mircea_popescu: Vincent: Fucking keyed it.
mircea_popescu: Lance: Oh, man, that's fucked up.
mircea_popescu: Vincent: Tell me about it. I had it in storage for three years, it was out for five days and some dickless piece of shit fucked with it.
mircea_popescu: Lance: They should be fucking killed. No trial, no jury, straight to execution.
mircea_popescu: Vincent: Boy, I wish I could've caught him doing it. I'd have given anything to catch that asshole doing it. It'd been worth him doing it just so I could've caught him doing it.
mircea_popescu: Lance: What a fucker!
mircea_popescu: Vincent: What's more chickenshit than fucking with a man's automobile? I mean, don't fuck with another man's vehicle.
mircea_popescu: Lance: You don't do it.
mircea_popescu: Vincent: It's just against the rules.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0319983 = 0.192 BTC [+] {3}
Naphex: its true :)
asciilifeform: if the 'they're bidding up all housing' thing were true, the masters would have problems hiring servants. are they?
asciilifeform: or do the servants simply take six buses to the manor and back?
mircea_popescu: nobody has any trouble hiring anyone.
mircea_popescu: if they can agree on salary control measures, clearly they're overstaffed.
mircea_popescu: they pretend like they're not, for public consumption, and to get more clueless kids on the one track path that then leads them to become prostitu uh i mean entrpereneurs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00096045 = 9.4124 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: but what is and what's said to be are wildly distinct matters in byzantium
bounce: don't servants live in servants quarters? like, oh, right under the roof, or wherever it was.
asciilifeform: paging herr naggum!
asciilifeform: 'labor unions arose when people had gotten a taste of a different lifestyle and were willing to pay a lot more for their basic livelihood and had gotten into a fix they couldn't get out of -- because they had accepted the unacceptable to begin with. accepting something you have to form a labor union to fight after the fact only tells me that people were acting against their own best (or even good) int
asciilifeform: erests for a long time. I don't see any rational, coherent explanation for this sort of behavior in humans, but it's all over the place.'
Apocalyptic: <bounce> don't servants live in servants quarters? like, oh, right under the roof, or wherever it was. // it was indeed right under the roof, in France at least
mircea_popescu: bounce in a civilise country, yes.
bounce: hot in summer, cold in winter. freezing hell when the wind's just wrong. such fun.
mircea_popescu: in the united states of africa, apparently they've not figured this out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7030 @ 0.00096376 = 6.7752 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: in usa, they broke the mechanism that separates the usefully servile class from 'lumpens.' sort of like growing edible mushrooms in a bathroom infested by mold, because, hey, you can.
asciilifeform: and so, the 'masters' demand radical geographic separation.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in some other equally arid land
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much, yes.
asciilifeform: incidentally, this is why 'they import fresh mexicans,' etc.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: nubbins` is balls-deep in printing, that's where ;(
mircea_popescu: "The original bullhocky story about the cattle endangering desert tortoises fell apart when the truth was discovered that only recently the BLM had gerrymandered the boundaries of endangered habitat and created a mitigation area needed to replace habitat where Harry Reid’s son and a Chinese energy company planned to build a 5 billion dollar solar energy project."
asciilifeform: the 2nd generation lumpenizes, and can't be used.
asciilifeform: this is more or less an open secret here.
mircea_popescu: harry reid, the guy who delivered congress to obama, right ?
mircea_popescu: 5bn seems kinda skimpy.
mircea_popescu: i;d have asked for more.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 5 == initial quote. traditionally, gov. payola contracts have overrun, renewal, etc. provisions. add a zero.
mircea_popescu: more like it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4000 @ 0.00015875 = 0.635 BTC [-] {6}
Naphex: !down
assbot: Need a nickname, Naphex.
nubbins`: DrGreg-PR
asciilifeform: translation: cia director j. brenna is in kiev. supervising search for... 20 'lost' blackwater men.
asciilifeform: *brennan
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00096954 = 10.7134 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: why is he not @lubyanka then
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 245 @ 0.50190775 = 122.9674 BTC [-] {12}
asciilifeform: mega-lol:
asciilifeform: should have dropped 'paintballs' or the like.
mircea_popescu: "This provocative and unprofessional Russian action"
mircea_popescu: lmao this "unprofessional" business has pretty much replaced "asshole" in us office drones parlance hasn't it
benkay: what's the military context that makes that kind of behavior assholery?
benkay: context/peer behavior expectations
benkay: assuming peers etc
mircea_popescu: “The Donald Cook is more than capable of defending itself against two Su-24s,” the colonel said.
mircea_popescu: i wonder.
mircea_popescu: i doubt there exists a us ship that actually can defend itself against modernised su's, but hey.
mircea_popescu: what do i know.
benkay: or the impending chinese drone swarms
pankkake: nice, I would have liked that a year ago (though I eventually recovered my coins)
ThickAsThieves: this schedule web design is horrible
ThickAsThieves: and annoying View More buttons
mircea_popescu: Arleigh Burke-class. that's a... radar ship. derp.
TestingUnoDosTre: Can someone explain this to me. Purchase of 382 Btc at 505, followed by 20 btc at 500. Was the first purchase a market buy?
ThickAsThieves: Peter Vehehe is now on the speaker list for the event!
mircea_popescu: so basically... this is a pool to doublespend.
mircea_popescu: who made it, gmaxwell ?
ThickAsThieves: dunno who made it
ThickAsThieves: its got mentions on yc
mircea_popescu: looky, gavin still lead bla bla. not so hip on keeping updated huh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1220 @ 0.00096816 = 1.1812 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: nice website
BingoBoingo: Oh, Meni Rosenfeld is a speaker and/or panelist
ThickAsThieves: Canadia Senate Hearing on Cryptocurrency
mircea_popescu: lol ok ok.
ThickAsThieves: 400 friggin euros for this conference
ThickAsThieves: fukn scammors
mircea_popescu: <samantix> hi i was directed to you regarding a ban on bitcoin-pricetalk
mircea_popescu: which one of you's been tormenting random noobs ?
mircea_popescu: chairman_meow tsk.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49676939 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: guy's very polite and everything. i had no idea that chan even exists
mircea_popescu: !up samantix
assbot: Voicing samantix for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49833587 = 1.495 BTC [+] {3}
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, it's the cesspool of irc
mircea_popescu: lol 600 pplz, and goin' strong. mkay.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000012 BTC [-]
samantix: thanks mircea_popescu
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000012 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: mircea, or reddit in another terms
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000002 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well cool.
mike_c: because clearly the price *shouldn't* have dropped below 400.
mike_c: scam site is scam.
TestingUnoDosTre: I bet on yes for one that touched exactly 400.00
TestingUnoDosTre: Made me rethink my whole theory on psychological barriers
mike_c: bah. next you'll rethink your theory on technical analysis because head & shoulders.
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm most definitely not a TA junkie
TestingUnoDosTre: Or "Chartist" as my brother call them
artifexd: It would be nice to be able to retroactively !b a part of the log. The conversation with Naphex about 5 hours ago was pretty interesting.
benkay: artifexd:
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00078899 = 0.1578 BTC [+]
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 506.95, Best ask: 508.97, Bid-ask spread: 2.02000, Last trade: 509.0, 24 hour volume: 29789.86967812, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832
artifexd: Most sweet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 314 @ 0.00080077 = 0.2514 BTC [+]
mike_c: is there a time decay on bash points?
asciilifeform: ;;seen vexual
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 25 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat
mike_c: yeah, just read that one too. another classic.
benkay: << danielpbarron you too buddy
benkay: now i miss vexual too
TestingUnoDosTre: We just did #30....
benkay: but not as much as i miss tiberius and minersdidit
TestingUnoDosTre: Minersdidit. Oh my gosh
mike_c: minersdidit could never fill 100 lines by himself with no encouragement like vex could when sloshed.
benkay: that's not why minersdidit was fantastic
benkay: people round here don't appreciate quality trolling
TestingUnoDosTre: Was he trolling though? Still not sure
Apocalyptic: that's the thing about great trolls
Apocalyptic: you are never sure
benkay: unless you've met 'em before.
artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot Vexual
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
TestingUnoDosTre: So was vexual a troll or just funny?
pankkake: ;;rate Vexual 1
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1921 @ 0.0009663 = 1.8563 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1379 @ 0.00097038 = 1.3382 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up samantix
assbot: Voicing samantix for 30 minutes.
artifexd: Vexual, get in the wot already
BingoBoingo: ;ticker
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.03, Best ask: 514.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 514.82, 24 hour volume: 30096.02063816, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832
benkay: samantix: what's happening?
dexX7: is the guy here? block w height 296055 throws an exception ->
mircea_popescu: mike_c wait wut
mike_c: hm?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot vexual
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: mike_c the 400 bet. at first i thought you hjad a legit complaint
mircea_popescu: but no! SCAM COMPLAINT
joecool: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user joecool to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
mike_c: of course the owners of the site would say that.
pankkake: BitBet: The Customer is Always Wrong
BingoBoingo: Well as Bitcoin continues to detach from fiat, bets pegged to fiat exchanges get moar dangerous
mike_c: i've probably lost 12,482 bets in my life, but for some reason that one stung. i was so sure!
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell keonne <dexX7> is the guy here? block w height 296055 throws an exception ->
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: mike_c im not sure i made 1k bets
mike_c: you mean this month?
mircea_popescu: in my lyf!
mike_c: this from the guy who floated a bajillion btc options over the last two years :)
mircea_popescu: joecool you trust all the oldschool doods. madscientist ?!
TestingUnoDosTre: What does float a btc mean
mircea_popescu: mike_c options ain't bets :D
Apocalyptic: they are only if you don't hedge them
mircea_popescu: haven't seen cory in like 4ever eithert
mircea_popescu: ;;seen cory
gribble: cory was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 17 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <Cory> \o
joecool: mircea_popescu: believe it or not i've been in wot for a long time
mircea_popescu: i believe it hehe
joecool: ;;gpg info joecool
gribble: User 'joecool', with keyid 4A169504F495E1D1, fingerprint D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1, and bitcoin address 1JoecooLw8qohGrFrmhCcPN6Gw355FjxBc, registered on Thu Apr 28 01:50:04 2011, last authed on Tue Apr 15 16:36:53 2014. . Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool .
mircea_popescu: o you were here befoe coinpal closed huh
joecool: yeah i think that was my first wot rating
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9401 @ 0.00097038 = 9.1225 BTC [+] {2}
TestingUnoDosTre: Hahaha are you fcking serious
mircea_popescu: !up frank1e
assbot: Voicing frank1e for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up BigBitz
assbot: Voicing BigBitz for 30 minutes.
BigBitz: thanks mircea_popescu :)
joecool: ;;rated BigBitz
gribble: You rated user BigBitz on Mon Dec 2 11:10:58 2013, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: gives me the worst rates ever ಠ_ಠ and makes me hate myself, owes me beer, but he can be trusted to send a couple g's USD.
asciilifeform: anyone else get something bizarre?
BigBitz: joecool <3
mircea_popescu: did i get defaced ?
asciilifeform: ssl weirdness
asciilifeform: load specifically 'https'
asciilifeform: i'm getting a cert signed by 'wikipedia'
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, huh
mircea_popescu: ahahaha what
joecool: mircea_popescu: looks like you got bald
Apocalyptic: i just loaded https
Apocalyptic: no certificate
joecool: not defaced
TestingUnoDosTre: It loaded fine for me
BigBitz: You're getting a Wikipedia Cert. Nice.
Apocalyptic: *no wikipedia certificate
BigBitz: I get the Twitter cert.
mircea_popescu:, Twitter, Inc. VeriSign Class 3 Extended Validation SSL CA, VeriSign, Inc. 05/10/2016 12:59:00 AM GMT TLS v1.2 128 bit ARC4 (2048 bit RSA/SHA)
pankkake: I get a cert change, but still twatter
TestingUnoDosTre: Anyone hear any Omar about alleged fighter plane attack?
asciilifeform to snoop on my fiber: stay classy
Apocalyptic: 83 FE F4 D8 26 55 EC 82 A9 E1 D7 A9 76 70 0B 43
Apocalyptic: 3E 9B 38 6D FA 71 8F 20 2A 5B 6C BF 91 ED 9F 92
Apocalyptic: issued by Verisign class 3
BingoBoingo: OMG WIKIPEDIA NSA haxors targeting asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wikipedia certs are a good avenue of attack because most neckbeards have it whitelisted
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Indeed.
BigBitz: neckbeards ftw.
asciilifeform: these folks could just drive fifteen minutes with a wagen and a 'troika', half hour for tribunal and bullet. but no, they gotta fuck with people instead.
mircea_popescu: i think you have no representation of costs.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You forget that for some 1984 is a manual
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pix ?
mircea_popescu: also, is it twitter generally ? does it do the same off a phone ?
mircea_popescu: other q's.
asciilifeform: lol - it's gone away.
asciilifeform: perhaps browser bug
mircea_popescu: yeah, right. this happens.
mircea_popescu: next time screenshot
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
asciilifeform: promise.
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['2899 @ 0.00097198', '5021 @ 0.00096', '7100 @ 0.00095965', '5850 @ 0.0009594', '2900 @ 0.00095924']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['5150 @ 0.00097202', '9450 @ 0.00097276', '1900 @ 0.00097318', '8950 @ 0.00097382', '12566 @ 0.00097408']
thestringpuller: that's a nice bot, did smickles make that? or what's the story behind it...
mircea_popescu: yep he did.
mircea_popescu: sadly he's on maternity leave.
pankkake: I was going to link which gave me a SSL Error, funnily enough (if you have it, disable OSCP whatever)
TestingUnoDosTre: Someone give me a quick lesson in stats
TestingUnoDosTre: If miners have been hashing away for 36 minutes, do they have any better chance of finding a correct hash in the next minute compared to minute 1?
thestringpuller: he's on maternity leave << hoorah for children. they grow up so fast...
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 517.0, Best ask: 519.95, Bid-ask spread: 2.95000, Last trade: 517.0, 24 hour volume: 31653.39816891, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 520.05, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832
ThickAsThieves: was like 340 2 days ago?
ThickAsThieves: i <3 btc
joecool: sale's over
ThickAsThieves: i'm uncertain about that
ThickAsThieves: not sure if there's enough new money coming in yet to float the price
ThickAsThieves: traders keep scalping each other over and over, lowering the ceiling
thestringpuller: <- i wonder if these bets create a feed back loop the more money that goes in
thestringpuller: i want to see a kansas city style upset
ThickAsThieves: seems making bitbets is the best way to get the price to go where you want!
thestringpuller: or to detect your price
kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre no its random.
BingoBoingo: Inb4 BTC $25 by July
thestringpuller: good way to base insurance prices
ThickAsThieves: $25, no way
ThickAsThieves: small chance we could test $300 tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 225 @ 0.00097202 = 0.2187 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: wow. phenomenal...
benkay: bitbet ate the options market.
ThickAsThieves: there it is!
TestingUnoDosTre: Bitbet is the options market now
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 522.35, Best ask: 525.79, Bid-ask spread: 3.44000, Last trade: 526.9, 24 hour volume: 32271.21581885, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 527.27, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832
TestingUnoDosTre: Uruguay baby
thestringpuller: i wonder how many late leeches got jacked
TestingUnoDosTre: I didn't this time: )
TestingUnoDosTre: Got in last block luckily. That's why I was asking about hashing
thestringpuller: why not buy the underlying asset and zoidberg?
TestingUnoDosTre: And zoidberg?
TestingUnoDosTre: They better close the bet fast and reap some profit for the month
nubbins`: i fucking love my job
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Does that mean mascot soon?
nubbins`: i didn't quite get the gist of the mascot
nubbins`: somebody with a soldering iron up their ass?
thestringpuller: is that screen printed?
nubbins`: 3-color print on red kraft paper
nubbins`: that's the -assets mascot? :/
nubbins`: i mean, nice stand, but...
BingoBoingo: Just don't turn it into something like all Chicago cubs like this
mike_c: i can't unsee that.
mircea_popescu: <TestingUnoDosTre> If miners have been hashing away for 36 minutes, do they have any better chance of finding a correct hash in the next minute compared to minute 1? << no.
thestringpuller: speaking of
gribble: Time since last block: 5 minutes and 38 seconds
thestringpuller: not_bad.jpg
mike_c: ok, two people said no.. there is a small better chance they find it in the next minute after failing for 36 minutes. the search space has been reduced.
mircea_popescu: you just add nonce anyway
mike_c: right, but instead of having a 1 in 1eBigNumber chance, they have a 1 in (1eBigNumber - attempts) chance
thestringpuller: mike_c: more tx's may come into the node which changes the hash...
pankkake: is it actually worth it to record what was tested? wouldn't pools share it if it was?
mike_c: thestringpuller: that is a good point.
ThickAsThieves: of course it's more likely
mike_c: unless what thestringpuller said.
ThickAsThieves: it's more likely than if they weren't hashing at all, right?
ThickAsThieves: so there.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves notrly lol
mircea_popescu: we were just talkin'...
ThickAsThieves: china be manipulatin!
ThickAsThieves: maniputin
ThickAsThieves: manililliputian
pankkake: pos?
mircea_popescu: << bounce fluffypony asciilifeform and whoever else was diss-cussin' bio.
Apocalyptic: pankkake, proof of stake I assume
pankkake: then I don't really get it
mircea_popescu: proof of stake
pankkake: I guess you get worthess stuff generated by your worthless stuff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00097223 = 7.0001 BTC [+] {3}
TestingUnoDosTre: wan't that already posted?
mircea_popescu: shit it was
Apocalyptic: "Complaints from the U.S. are going to increasingly fall on deaf ears"
thestringpuller: i love see mircea_popescu use negro speak
mircea_popescu: “In the decades ahead, should we be as white as we are today, we will be relentlessly driven toward mediocrity; or, become a sad shadow of our current self,” Mr. Shepard said in a recent blog post
Apocalyptic: is this any news ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic allegedly ? :D
mircea_popescu: "Their mascot is the Viking."
TestingUnoDosTre: Skol white people!
mircea_popescu: << me playing with hipsters.
TestingUnoDosTre: where do you find these people?
BingoBoingo: Classic
mircea_popescu: da fuck is with all the prissy wallflowers claiming "passion"
mircea_popescu: what fucking passion. moar like "too mental for herpes"
pankkake: it's annoyingly boring
Apocalyptic: "Inventor/Entrepreneur/Author 120 patents, 400+ products. Clever & Unique"
BingoBoingo: I dunno. I'd say mircea_popescu is passionate about ownership.
Apocalyptic: just wow
Apocalyptic: reminds me of the 12,000+ domain names guy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.05299998 = 1.59 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic chick's worth some money, has this sort-of workout videos empire
BingoBoingo: It's amazing how many times the simple elastic band and the step stool can be patented
mircea_popescu: yeah, basically, she's the bubbliest 44yo on some us based shopping channel
mircea_popescu: billy mays with tits and botulin
mike_c: she's a regular on shark tank
mircea_popescu: "Her first patent was a plastic jewelry organizer for earrings which generated $500 million in sales."
pankkake: 4real?
pankkake: I wasn't expecting much when I saw patents, but…
pankkake: this is why I don't take anyone seriously when they say that word
mircea_popescu: anyway, twitter is the best trolling venue imaginable. there's droves of hipsters, aging attention whores, all taking it supar seriously
mod6: haha, true
mircea_popescu: you can ruin someone's whole week in 140 characters.
mod6: + 1 picture
mircea_popescu: just ask them why they look so fat unexpectedly.
TestingUnoDosTre: ooooh I would pay so much to see MP on shark tank
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00498752 = 0.1297 BTC [-] {6}
mod6: twitter had a melt down yesterday because some girl had a toy plane in her snatch
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre is this the #bitcoin-assets based reality tv show ?
Apocalyptic: mod6, really ?
TestingUnoDosTre: I would like to purchase a 3d printing maching, but I want YOU to buy it!
mircea_popescu: mod6 because nobody could have imagined that the terrorists would use a plane as a dildo.
mod6: lol
mod6: someone said "new meaning to red-eye flight"
mircea_popescu: right in the pink eye!
mod6: :D
mod6 laughs
mod6: holy hashrate
mod6: ;;stats
gribble: I have 24 registered users with 31 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 296068 | Current Difficulty: 6.119726089128147E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 296351 | Next Difficulty In: 283 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6965027262.78 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.81273
TestingUnoDosTre: gribble quit lowballin the hashrate your whore
mircea_popescu: is oz dead ?
dub: the wizard?
benkay: passion?
benkay: only passion is passion for cashin'
BingoBoingo: The Wizard of .bait
mircea_popescu: i liked it for .d
mike_c: kakobrekla is probably bored and could implement those features in assbot. i liked <title> searches.
mircea_popescu: benkay she claims bs on tv, buncha overweight wwu students believe her start flailing arms and making wild claims.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i liked title too.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.0, Best ask: 517.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 518.0, 24 hour volume: 33065.44812123, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 491.745388954
mircea_popescu: so this is fucking weird. gribble says 24 hour high 528
mircea_popescu: meanwhile bitcoincharts disagrees : <gribble> Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.0, Best ask: 517.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 518.0, 24 hour volume: 33065.44812123, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 491.745388954
mircea_popescu: not even close to 520.
mircea_popescu: wtf is going on here ;/
mike_c: remember that thing about how you closed options because no one could be relied on for good data?
mike_c: hm, but if i am reading it right they are 8 hours old on their data?
Apocalyptic: well bitcoincharts is wrong
Apocalyptic: isn't it run by thermos or something anyway ?
mike_c: seems like data stopped some hours ago
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic afaik gribble takes its numbers from it
benkay: off to an 'internet of things' aka networked and api-ified sensor get together. perhaps i'll find some new clients there tonight...
Apocalyptic: <mike_c> seems like data stopped some hours ago << good catch
benkay: the barons of course not needing any derpy web or mobile apps.
mircea_popescu: benkay we can't afford smartphones
TestingUnoDosTre: yah it peaked at 515 like 16 hours ago
TestingUnoDosTre: for bitcoincharts, thats 6 hours prior, in displayed data
mircea_popescu: "Please log in to access this feature."
mircea_popescu: perhaps i'll pass.
BingoBoingo: Eh or dun use javascript
BingoBoingo: No need to tor
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.06637855 = 1.4603 BTC [+] {5}
BingoBoingo: Basically longtime former democratic East StL mayor is now supporting the Repube candidate for governor.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0669899 = 0.201 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: quite hilarious
mircea_popescu: "Well the answer is the IRS is extremely strict about property taxes and nobody in the United States is going to want to use Bitcoin after a 20% tax on it. That combined with Bitcoin rumors about China banning it means we won't see $525." << anon expert, april 15th around noon.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin goes blazing past 525, about twelve hours later.
mircea_popescu: after wallowing in the 400s for weeks.
mircea_popescu: the anon experts are a very valuable signal, turns out.
TestingUnoDosTre: and he had to make a SuperPac that was called Dems and Independents for Rauner, because he figured that those groups wouldnt want to contribute to a fund called "citizens for Rauner"
TestingUnoDosTre: pretty sure half the people who post on there are just trying to get bets to the other side
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre "citizens" is kinda republican codeword neh ?
TestingUnoDosTre: soon it will be comrade
BingoBoingo: Carl Officer has a rich history of creating the lulz
TestingUnoDosTre: did you just google "carl officer nazi" or something?
TestingUnoDosTre: how do you find this shit
mircea_popescu: apparently everyone is better at finding shit people than you.
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: I'm from the general region, just a more rural part
mircea_popescu: soo, google ad on bitstamp query :
mircea_popescu: Bitstamp - Cumpără Bitcoin CFD - demo gratis -‎ Ad‎ Vă riscaţi propriul capital. Plus500 has 1,340 followers on Google+
mircea_popescu: shitty scam paying like 5 bux a click
TestingUnoDosTre: i got a 404
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00097332 = 26.3283 BTC [+] {3}
TestingUnoDosTre: best youtube comment I've read in while "If this was reddit, it would be r/gore"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05309998 = 0.1062 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: hey isnt that the shark tank lady youre fukn with mp?
ThickAsThieves: you own her?
ThickAsThieves: her three words basically read: I'm horny.
nubbins`: actually fucking awesome
ThickAsThieves: first bj on a stamp is two men
ThickAsThieves: funny stuff
ThickAsThieves: i linked yesterday with the caption: blowstamps
Apocalyptic: apparently 22% of NY is on foodstamps
nubbins`: state or city
nubbins`: not bad
ThickAsThieves: that seems hard to believe
asciilifeform: 'His Marines could care less, he said, because they just "want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next."'
nubbins`: someone in payroll, no doubt
asciilifeform: there's a magic number, somewhere down there, where soldiers start selling ammo, other materiel, whole vehicles - to the enemy
asciilifeform: russia found what the number was (~6 mo. delay of pay, approx.)
asciilifeform: let's see what the american number is.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: To be fair this wasn't a Flag officer, but Flag enlisted
asciilifeform: in other lulz,
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03050271 = 0.2135 BTC [-] {3}
dub: grab the turkey cletus we headin for the shelter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05348998 = 0.214 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03 = 0.6 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: soviet ministry of internal affairs had tanks, choppers.
asciilifeform: didn't make a lick of difference.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.05372635 = 0.591 BTC [+] {5}
dub: how many times has the national guard deployed a gunship in the history of gunships
dub: my guess: 0 times
asciilifeform: point, if i understood, was to keep it 0.
BingoBoingo: dub: Well they probably didn't have to deploy "their" gunships, just their pilots
dub: #bitcoin-teaparty
BingoBoingo: Eh, if bad collapse happens the teaparty factions are just as likely to be oppresive and appropriate your crops as the gobmint factions
asciilifeform: where does 'good collapse' live?
asciilifeform: did i miss something?
BingoBoingo: Well, USSR vs. Somalia
BingoBoingo: This goes to the Orlov, the USSR was set up be not collapse as painfully as the thing could have otherwise.
asciilifeform: plenty of ways to lose a head in 'good' collapse.
BingoBoingo: Sure, just less than in bad collapse
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well i was supposed to describe ME not her.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.0049404 = 0.163 BTC [-]
nubbins`: so i went out to have a drink earlier, stumbled across a poster we printed last november, still stuck to a pole
nubbins`: paper is bleached almost white, inks are immaculate
mike_c: you should use better paper
nubbins`: no i shouldn't
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05399 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: worse ink?
nubbins`: heh!
nubbins`: better locations, obv
TestingUnoDosTre: what did the poster read
asciilifeform: for a 'deserving' client, perhaps print with ink which fades out to reveal 'secret' message.
nubbins`: oo, fun. red ink on red paper
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i had a self-adhesive print last ~2 years on a facade.
nubbins`: for reference, that paper was this color when it went up:
mircea_popescu: i'd guess easily 1mn pairs of eyeballs. total cost ? like $5
nubbins`: not bad
nubbins`: guerrilla advertising is best advertising
TestingUnoDosTre: Is pink eye a bar or something?
TestingUnoDosTre: nvm - I see ship pub
nubbins`: it's my printing company
TestingUnoDosTre: what do you print them with?
nubbins`: silkscreen on kraft paper
nubbins`: we use cotton rag paper for good posters. these are cheapies for taping to poles.
TestingUnoDosTre: science be damned, that's an interesting process
nubbins`: very old
nubbins`: chinese were doing it 1000 years ago
TestingUnoDosTre: Oh it appears so. My friend's sister has an old school platten printing machine that looks like it's from the 19th century
TestingUnoDosTre: don't know if that's what the actual name for the process is
asciilifeform: when the famous Kamkin bookstore ( imploded, they sold things by the pound, and opened up all of the 'backstage' rooms to customers. in one, i found... a '40s vintage printing press.
asciilifeform: (for catalogues? propaganda? who knew.)
nubbins`: lovely!
nubbins`: if you'll excuse me, my wife needs to be bothered
mircea_popescu: samizdat fo sho
mircea_popescu: !up Lee-
assbot: Voicing Lee- for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up frz78
assbot: Voicing frz78 for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: kamkin was known as a place where intelligence goons from both sides shopped.
asciilifeform: as well as maths, physics people.
asciilifeform: (plenty of 'mir publishing co.' maths in english, too)
Lee-: nifty
TestingUnoDosTre: asciilifeform - there was a book burning or what the hell happened?
asciilifeform: TestingUnoDosTre: in the end, the creditors confiscated the shelves, and there were gigantic mountains of book
asciilifeform: that one could climb and dig (literally) down in
asciilifeform: most of the good stuff was picked off
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.0, Best ask: 517.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.00000, Last trade: 517.26, 24 hour volume: 33656.62801655, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 492.41993782
asciilifeform: i found my first book on 'forth' there
asciilifeform: ;;google forth
gribble: Forth (programming language) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Forth - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <>; Forth Interest Group Home Page: <>
asciilifeform: !up TomServo
assbot: Voicing TomServo for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a fitting punishment for they who refused to acknowledge doom.
TomServo: Hello all!
mircea_popescu: hello TomServo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kamkin lived by the 'sovietologists' of washington, and - died by them.
TomServo: I'm sure it's been done to death, but could someone point me to instructions on getting into assbots wot?
mircea_popescu: more's the point... to this day there are people running around claiming they're... "journalists"
mircea_popescu: yet the newspaper died, as did the book.
mircea_popescu: TomServo actually it's not done at all.
mircea_popescu: i suppose each of the 29 will publish their own personal criteria, if/when they get around to it
mircea_popescu: maybe we'll hold a yearly vote at the conference to add more to the l1 list
asciilifeform: complicated, to say 'book is dead.' books of horoscopes and dream divinations still printed by the zillion, 'soviet encyclopaedia of physics' - not.
TomServo: Ah, so even being in wot I still need to ask for voice?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, well, if it were unequivocally clear, like, mastodon is dead, it would be easy
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot TomServo
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TomServo! Trust relationship from user assbot to user TomServo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: once the Level 2: reads > 0 you can pm assbot !up and it'll voice you
asciilifeform: is there a vast legion of spammers, crying to get on the list?
BingoBoingo: TomServo: I'm a forgetful person, what sort of stuff do you do?
TestingUnoDosTre: if you sex slave yourself for bitcoin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prolly not yet.
asciilifeform: other than mr. whizz
TestingUnoDosTre: just make sure it's from a person on the Wot, then they'll give you a rate
TomServo: BingoBoingo: I'm a lowly network engineer, looking for my niche.
asciilifeform: TomServo: what made you take an interest in this channel ?
BingoBoingo: !up TomServo
assbot: Voice for TomServo extended to 30 minutes.
TomServo: asciilifeform: I've actually been here quite a while (2+ years I'd guess). Hard for me find conversation as stimulating as what happens here.
mircea_popescu: (yes, that'd donald rumsfeld)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol!
asciilifeform: next news: 'rumsfeld fined, estate auctioned, for inaccurate tax filings'
mircea_popescu: tis true, he's been here forever. aite.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate TomServo 1 New blood.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user TomServo has been recorded.
mike_c: amen donald.
TestingUnoDosTre: I hope they simplifiy the tax code and fuck mr rumsfeld
TestingUnoDosTre: just single him out in a nation of hundreds of millions
TomServo: mircea_popescu: cheers
joecool: not sure how that works if the tax accounting firm fucks it up badly, does fed go after them or the individual?
TestingUnoDosTre: that's a really good question
asciilifeform: individual. but some accountants provide a kind of 'insurance'
mike_c: the individual is responsible.
joecool: mike_c: for the amounts paid, but can't be held negligent if accountant fucks up
mircea_popescu: joecool pretty much, yes.
joecool: i'm assuming tax accountants carry insurance for this sort of thing
mircea_popescu: basically, as a us citizen you're better off if your accountant runs off with your money than if your accountant misfiles your taxes.
mircea_popescu: for the same sum
mike_c: what does 'held negligent' mean? you have to pay the penalties..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0075 = 1.5 BTC [+]
joecool: < had to look it up, someone mentioned this to me in passing a month or two ago
joecool: accountant pocketed his tax payments, didn't file for 7 years, then kicked the bucket, no idea about the truth of it all
TestingUnoDosTre: Huff post is like shit smeared all over the computer screen
joecool: sry couldn't find another source
mircea_popescu: actually a VERY similar thing happened here last year. i arrive at my accountant's office, usually a quiet place with maybe 1-2 other people present, cause the gal is nuts abour scheduling, to find it in complete turmoil, bunches of evidently panicked people.
mircea_popescu: turns out, an accountant handling the accounts of ~200 small businesses had been found by the tax authority to not have filed anything for months
mircea_popescu: so they re-allocated all teh customers to the shortlist of competent accountants all around town
mircea_popescu: 10 here, 15 there, etc.
joecool: well i mean if you actually look at the returns, the accountant is signing off to say they believe the return to be true to the best of their knowledge under penalty of perjury
joecool: the individual signs off to say they are reporting their income and such to the best of their knowledge
mircea_popescu: the owner is still responsible tho.
mircea_popescu: davout didn't wanna let me sell x.eur short, i could have been rich.
joecool: for the tax liability yes, fines (not interest) though i believe would get waived
mircea_popescu: joecool depends really.
joecool: i'm in this situation from the last company i started, initial accountant gave us horrible advice for 2012 since we formed the LLC in november and turned *very* small revenue, said it would be under limit to file
mircea_popescu: kinda stupid, why not use the year to create a tax liability
joecool: hired a better firm this year, they went over it and warned us we had to file, paid the filing fees from last year, and warned us to expect a letter from the IRS asking for damages
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52394834 BTC [+]
joecool: there's a process to go through to appeal a fine in this sort of situation
joecool: current accountants will handle it
mircea_popescu: !up bloctoc
assbot: Voicing bloctoc for 30 minutes.
bloctoc: I don't know what that means
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot bloctoc
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bloctoc: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue Oct 29 20:18:14 2013
BingoBoingo: bloctoc: Auth with gribble and pm assbot !up
bloctoc: do I get a prize or something?
mircea_popescu: well you can speak if you do
BingoBoingo: bloctoc: You get voice?
BingoBoingo: !up the20year1
assbot: Voicing the20year1 for 30 minutes.
the20year1: spent like 30m today trying to figure out how to authenticate via gpg and couldn't do it
BingoBoingo: It indeed takes time the first time
the20year1: gribble keeps giving me an error when i do the pastebin thing
BingoBoingo: I always just eauth and do the decrypt thing
the20year1: does that work for original registration?
the20year1: That's what i did, and it seemed like I still needed to register
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.08299776 = 1.577 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: the20year1, have you submitted the keys to GPG servers ?
Apocalyptic: yes you have to auth the first time
the20year1: yeah , i did
Apocalyptic: <the20year1> gribble keeps giving me an error when i do the pastebin thing // what's the error then ?
bloctoc: seems like the price of bitcoin went up quite a bit with this new voice policy
BingoBoingo: bloctoc: Well, it is more drama
BingoBoingo: Drama !up Bitcoin !up
Apocalyptic: I haven't said this, but I think the new policy is a good idea, ty mircea
mike_c: (and kakobrekla)
Apocalyptic: indeed, he did the hard work
the20year1: on home laptop, not office pc
bloctoc: whoever set it up thanks. Have my prize.
Apocalyptic: woot, dat NMC price
Apocalyptic: haven't seen the last pump
bloctoc: does that mean it's a secular thing? I've seen some NMC services.
bloctoc: for the record I don't know what secular means in this context.
mircea_popescu: bloctoc bashed :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00097271 = 10.6512 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kako did the hard work which is why i should be getting all the praise
Apocalyptic: that's how it works in business
Apocalyptic: managers get the credit
mike_c: plus hard work is its own reward
mircea_popescu: nighty all.
Apocalyptic: btw pankkake, are you reading l'odieux connard ?
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