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deedbot-: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The underpriced option. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/03/27/the-underpriced-option/
asciilifeform: http://www.welivesecurity.com/2016/03/23/new-self-protecting-usb-trojan-able-to-avoid-detection << Run Moar Winblowz!1111
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WSDNzD )
asciilifeform: (somebody explain to me why anyone ever used aes128 for anything..?)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00049226 = 10.682 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: upon consideration, i see no reason to continue supporting or otherwise encourage kakobrekla's bizarre worldview. on the contrary, i view further involvement with the nonsense as considerable moral hazard, and a miserable thing to do altogether.
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no place in the future, or among civilised people, for this "hi i r zuckerberg and i ~created~ facebook" thing. i can see how it continues the "oh, mp is raining money, let me not get in his way" thing from before, but consistency in poltroonism does not enact poltroonism as an acceptable life philosophy.
mircea_popescu: i can readily understand that fiatism has been for all and sundry the unique way of life, since "forever" ; i can see how the shit is well ensconced and difficult to wash off. nevertheless, loyalty to a group, as opposed to the individual, is still socialism, as much so as either GOP or NSDAP ever were. preserve that and you preserve it all.
mircea_popescu: vaguely defining the group in question, ad-hoc or after the fact, does not resolve the problem, one's still a poltroon. appeals to "science" or "law" or whatever other conveniently vague abstraction still doesn't resolve the fact that one's placed himself on the hostis humani generis side of the debate.
mircea_popescu: and so, this is the end for this particular irc channel as a venue for tmsr. the irc festivities are moving over to #trilema ; with a more selective lordship list and improved tools all around. you're welcome to join - but leave the fiat mind behind, lest it drag you too back down into the swamp.
diana_coman: what's the logs address for this channel?
mircea_popescu: hasn't come up yet ; trinque is working on it.
mircea_popescu: hola asciilifeform
asciilifeform: guten morgen mircea_popescu !
asciilifeform brb, moving earthly carcass 50km
mircea_popescu: trinque hey can deedbot- id to nickserv ?
PeterL: does this chan have a log?
mircea_popescu: not yet.
PeterL: are you going to use the same voicing model as #bitcoin-assets?
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
PeterL: I suppose detail will go up on trilema at some point?
trinque: mircea_popescu: it's using a password with that nick, strange that it's not auth'd
mircea_popescu: yep!
mircea_popescu: trinque -ChanServ- deedbot- is not registered.
trinque: hm. was at one point.
trinque: next version will be using "deedbot", which is definitely registered
mircea_popescu: cool.
PeterL: are you going to start a new WoT or import the one from assbot?
mircea_popescu: there's only one wot, however it may be published.
danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/2016/assassins-game/
mircea_popescu: what's "hunter's fire and ice" concession stand sell, menthol balms ?
danielpbarron: sugary flavored ice water
mircea_popescu: incidentally, how much is a bottle of champagne at porcfest ?
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean frothwater/selzer ; i mean the genuine article)
danielpbarron: maxint i guess, or free
danielpbarron: you're "not allowed" to sell booze at porcfest
mircea_popescu: what ?!
danielpbarron: New Hampshire has draconian liquor laws
danielpbarron: state owns all package stores
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would anyone over the age of ~12 attend ?!
danielpbarron: to get around this, the porcfest organizers sell VIP passes that grant access to a free booze tent
mircea_popescu: weirdo fucking norse style parties, all drugs no alcohol ?
danielpbarron: you can give away booze, and sell it on the down-low like you would weed or any other illegal drug
mircea_popescu: well yeah, and what's the free booze, bud and everclear ?
danielpbarron: i wouldn't know, I never got a vip pass because who cares anyway
danielpbarron: i could just bring my own or get it free from friends
mircea_popescu: so you're telling me no porcfest slut was ever champagne-bathed in the entire decade of this ?
danielpbarron: if i was that much of a drinker
danielpbarron: it may have happened but I haven't heard of it
mircea_popescu: i've like... totally lost contact with teh kids today. I AM OLD NOW
mircea_popescu: ftr if i click the pic i get a "page not found". is this intentional ?
danielpbarron: huh
mircea_popescu: in your article. click any picture.
danielpbarron: the pistol one works, and shire dude
danielpbarron: i guess it doesn't like me naming it assassin-0
danielpbarron: will have to fix that, later; i gtg for now
mircea_popescu: -4 one didn't work either. neways.
asciilifeform back.
mircea_popescu: you've not missed much. just me discovering that they do dry festivals now in puritanlandia
asciilifeform: l0l TaT returns to #b-a
mircea_popescu: gotta get a log of this place up soon, wtf are all the stalkers gonna do.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha what! danielpbarron scored twins at porcfest ?
mircea_popescu: "PaulFest in 2012: a week-long thing in Florida leading up to the Republican National Convention in which last-minute rule changes to keep Ron Paul out were hastily voted into place; rule changes which are today responsible for the Trump phenomenon" << plox to detail this for me ?
PeterL: in 2012 some Paul supporters thought they could co-opt the convention and push him through even though he lost the votes
mircea_popescu: but why ? an' wherefore ?
PeterL: the RNC changed the rules to make it so they couldn't do that
PeterL: I don't see how the specific rules helped Trump
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well yeah, and what's the free booze, bud and everclear ? << Everyclear is expensive even when adjusted for alcohol content. The cheapest stuff goes by names like Crystal Palace, COuntry Club, and Gem Clear
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but why ? an' wherefore ? << It's how conventions worked routinely before 1970. They got the delegates and then made the rules. Now they just change the rules afterwards.
BingoBoingo: In other news, Hearn can't quit maxwell https://archive.is/vGnHp
mircea_popescu: but i mean, what was changed specifically ?
PeterL: they made a rule saying to get nominated you need a majority of delegates from 8 states
PeterL: so far, only Trump has met that threshold, so even if he doesn't get a majority of delegates he could still win
PeterL: although, this rule could be changed at the start of the convention, it is not set in stone
BingoBoingo: I don't keep track because of how many rules typically change just to smooth things out. See Thomson's "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail"
PeterL: basically it is just another reason for a bunch of reporters to write blathering articles about the drama of the republican nomination race
PeterL: and Americans like me who can't help ourselves eat this shit up and it earns them ad revenue from all the obnoxious ads on their websites
asciilifeform: urgh, i scroll between two chans, and one is full of american election and the other - ThickAsThieves
PeterL: you don't like thickAsThieves?
asciilifeform: i find it odd that he returns immediately when mircea_popescu leaves
asciilifeform: and seem to recall that TaT quit #b-a under somewhat questionable circumstances.
PeterL: I wonder who else will return?
phf: guy come strutting after his opponent leaves and starts talking tough? i don't know him, but that just spells loser
asciilifeform: phf: i actually met TaT in meatspace, at mircea_popescu's c2. we sat in the airport together in the end. i got the impression that he was 'ok guy' but somewhat lacked... courage.
asciilifeform: lives, iirc, under the heel of his wife (i could be mistaken, but did get this impression from the 4-5 h we spent together)
mircea_popescu: PeterL obviously not set in stone. it could be changed so that your name can't start with d, also, it would seem ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno they were questionable, he said i dun recall what on trilema, i asked him quo warranto, he made himself scarce.
mircea_popescu: apparently it's a very contondent question.
asciilifeform: phf: the last thing i recall TaT doing is, mircea_popescu offered him a co-authorship on something or other, and TaT refused because afraid of gassing
mircea_popescu: phf no idea what opposition would be. lemme dig up the comment i guess.
PeterL: yeah, the people making these rules can do whatever they want, but I assume there are some reasonable people mixed in with the crazies who would stop such things
mircea_popescu: PeterL this assumption is known as the memory hole effect.
mircea_popescu: for the notable use in the case of newsprint
PeterL: and if they go too far out their then they lose creditability and get kicked out of power
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/waroflife-swol-october-2014-statement-closing/#comment-109561 << there.
mircea_popescu: PeterL explain this to me. kicked out of power by whom and with whose army ?
PeterL: well, publick sees party making absurd choices to shoehorn in particular candidate, reform-minded individuals take over party or else they just lose general elections to other party
mircea_popescu: no fucking individual member of the public has even 1% of the intellectual werewithal to even consider the matter in the sense of putting all its disparate elements on the table ; let alone drive a sane conclusion from the mess.
mircea_popescu: even if they did have such incredible intellects, it'd still take time, and the public is a wage slave, which means that no, not the fucking public.
PeterL: like how boenher was doing things to force his will on the House of Reps, and a small subset of republicans forced him out of power
mircea_popescu: i don't recall the specifics there, but wasn't it the case that leader of gop house sold out to obama, and for cheap, the gop trioed to throw him out, and failed, guy came back even to ensure his chosen successor stays ?
PeterL: there are several ways power can be lost, so party officials at least have to give the appearance of being reasonable to hold thier power
mircea_popescu: this is the wasp pretense. to my eyes a direct equivalent to nixon's delusioned in place "silent electorate". i don't think it ever held any water.
mircea_popescu: was always a retrospective justification, no more.
PeterL: GOP sold out to obama, he wa forced to step down, his chosen successor was flatly told no, so a different guy stepped forward to take power
mircea_popescu: ah was it ?
asciilifeform: y'know, as a boy, i was playing with other boyz in the yard and mentioned съезд кпсс , and they laughed. i learned lesson - for life.
asciilifeform: and the american съезд кпсс is ~equally influential and interesting as the original.
mircea_popescu: lol wait, seriously ?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: and you avoided beating ?
asciilifeform: other kidz were too busy laughing.
mircea_popescu: i am impressed with your negotiatiory skillz.
asciilifeform: l0l
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> urgh, i scroll between two chans, and one is full of american election and the other - ThickAsThieves << I think something about the details of the process contains electrolytes mircea_popescu needs to mix up his hatorade
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have nfi. i hope somebody gets some use out of it, because ftr i don't, i find it == as interesting as the sports crud.
asciilifeform: and for same reason.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems you actually shelled out for a dosimeter with better alarm?
PeterL: To me politics is much like sports, lots of people talk about it but their talking has no impact on the outcome
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: nor does the outcome have any serious impact on reality.
mircea_popescu: and in somewhat other news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/1677c1f772478154b1f53b0d90e148d3/tumblr_mom5a2IkFe1ra163eo2_250.gif
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the construction is interesting, to the anthropologist.
mircea_popescu: you may think less of me for it, but it ALSO follow the internal reasonings of the etsy chick, and of all sorts of other subcultures.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is a pro entomologist.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I may need one of those weathervanes
asciilifeform: he extracts rare microvitamins from the chitinous carcasses and sells for their weight in diamond.
mircea_popescu: for the record, his friends in the senate thought not much better of say strabon than the above.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo to point to what ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: To track the wind?
mircea_popescu: i c!
BingoBoingo: You know, make myself less dependent on "Big Weather" to get my meteorology
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the curious student of political history, i'd gladly read a piece explaining the differences between the "denazification" as carried out by the allied control council from 1946 onwards ; and the various internal troubles of the eastern socialist party, whether you pick dekulakization, or de-trotskyfication, or great leap forward or w/e.
mircea_popescu: even something as obvious as "settling the end date" will be interesting to reflect upon.
asciilifeform: i thought the main diff was that the real brainz of the nazi machine got cia jobs
asciilifeform: and not kolyma
asciilifeform: or the noose
mircea_popescu: "cia job" is not kolyma in what sense ?
asciilifeform: strictly in the sense of mercedes instead of barracks and caviar instead of long pig ?
mircea_popescu: and you trust these descriptions ?
mircea_popescu: is "paetreus' caviar" too late a testing stone for the theory ?
BingoBoingo: In other news, finally a human powered generator that isn't all cardio http://www.gravpower.org/
mircea_popescu: i don't get the "we use no consumables" claim if it uses springs. what are the springs ?
BingoBoingo: consumables, but it is a rural folk invention
asciilifeform: perhaps pneumatic springs ?
mircea_popescu: eh, derps take the time to explain why they named their thing whatever they named it, but i see no equations anywhere. pass.
asciilifeform: l0l that thing looks just like the 'stairmaster' gizmo they pumped medieval organs with
asciilifeform: what exactly is new here ?
asciilifeform: classic 'middle america!111 we invented bicycle!'
mircea_popescu: that they named it "fukushima tower"
mircea_popescu: because of the thing. you know.
asciilifeform: lulzy
asciilifeform: y'know, idiots who fell for 'renewable wind and solar economy!111' will as easily fall for human mule power station.
asciilifeform: and it will be instructive.
asciilifeform: (a reasonably-healthy, well-fed grown man can crank out 100W, 200 - in bursts. employ reddit!11)
mircea_popescu: more than that even. i've personally climbed the stairwell going from valley of kings over the mountain into the queen's. took a few hours, but it's a good 150-200meters tall. that's a good 30-40 kwh
asciilifeform: 100 is minimum
asciilifeform: a serious sportsman can put out 1hp! (for a spell)
mircea_popescu: uh nm me, 150 × 10 × 80 ÷ 3600 = 33, but this'd be watts-hour not kw
asciilifeform: aha l0l
phf: it could make for a nice backup in a joey hess style household. guy lives off the grid, hacks by candlelight with his low power netbook, sometimes "i'll be out for the next few days, it's been gray out, so not enough juice in batteries", etc.
mircea_popescu: actually - one man, one harem, one notebook china could do this. if you feed a dozen girls, their workouts will certainly power the book.
mircea_popescu: i know i've more than once, while sitting by idly watching unbridled tits bounce, considered adding some cogs.
phf: bored harem,
phf: "bitch maybe if you generated some electricity or something"
mircea_popescu: so how's the yellow revolution going ? is comrade xi yet ousted ?
asciilifeform makes feeeaaature request: a chinese fella!
mircea_popescu: yasrsly.
asciilifeform: oh hey
mats: herro
mircea_popescu: no u
asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/03/hearn-cant-quit-maxwell-declares-maxwell-bitcoins-leader << l0ltr0n
mircea_popescu: ajhahaha
BingoBoingo: ty
BingoBoingo: dayum alf beat me to the link
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2016/03/hearn-cant-quit-maxwell-declares-maxwell-bitcoins-leader/#comment-49899
phf: need dat deedbot to jump sheep
trinque: one sec and I'll re-register his nick so he'll stay voiced
phf: ohoh
phf: asciilifeform: "He was known for inventing the ULI knot, a method for priming explosives using detonating cord. The Uli knot resembles a hangman knot and is the most effective way of priming C4 explosives, especially when underwater."
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, re "communism good idea badly applied" - majority of germans agreed, after ww2. re their own form.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: everybody thinks his own brand of failed lunacy is 'great idea, badly applied'
asciilifeform: how else.
mircea_popescu: only after though.
mircea_popescu: strangely enough it's not badly applied till it blows the fuck up.
asciilifeform: well sure, until dies, it's just 'great idea'
mircea_popescu: "not yet applied", if one pushes the point.
asciilifeform: phf: apparently originally a naval knot, http://alpnews.narod.ru/uzly/#20
asciilifeform: (when was the last time somebody actually invented a usable knot...?)
mircea_popescu: actually studying knots is historically the start of topology
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: trinque is trilemabot it ?
trinque: it is not
mircea_popescu: lol what is it ?
trinque: nfi
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller's?
shinohai: trilemabot is me playing with a logbot
mircea_popescu: a cool.
BingoBoingo: Ah, I forget you two are neighbors
pete_dushenski: 'ello guvnahs
mircea_popescu: hola
pete_dushenski: how far away are we from having logs to peruse ? or are we to keep our irc clients open and on indefinitely
PeterL: looks like shinohai is working on it
mircea_popescu: i'd say about a day ?
pete_dushenski: excellent
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell shinohai how comes the node tracker site ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes then numbers are just the colours of your drapes!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: hey pete_dushenski i havent done much to it unfortunately, just still running my vanilla trb node
pete_dushenski: shinohai: well it'd be a neat service if you ever finished it up. fuck bitnodes.io
shinohai: I wanted something a little nicer to look at that listed solely trb nodes. I know it is on wiki but ...
PeterL: wiki does not self-update
pete_dushenski: well there are trb nodes and there are nodes displaying version string 99999
pete_dushenski: i think it'd be sweet to have a repository for viewing the latter
trinque: that is not your name!
mircea_popescu: lol
trinque: ^ looks to be auth'd with nickserv
mircea_popescu: win.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: http://www.contravex.com/2016/03/27/the-underpriced-option/#comment-42428
pete_dushenski: http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/03/serious-question-can-a-parrot-act-as-a-witness-in-court.html << computers are cheaper than women, but perhaps not cheaper than parrots
pete_dushenski: http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/03/turns-out-blonde-ladies-are-the-smartest.html << from same rag, the reason why blondes have more fun : iq! (nice ex post facto mapping)
PeterL: is there a plan to have an assbot style ticker in this chan as well?
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 424.02, Best ask: 424.18, Bid-ask spread: 0.16000, Last trade: 424.02, 24 hour volume: 14212.1274665, 24 hour low: 422.38, 24 hour high: 429.5, 24 hour vwap: None
pete_dushenski: ^works
PeterL: I meant for S.MPOE trades etc
pete_dushenski: ah good q
trinque: if they're RSS can jam in the old deedbot- for now; if not I'll have to write something for the new one.
mircea_popescu: eventually, yeah.
pete_dushenski: will deedbot- be the new ratings/wot bot as well ?
mircea_popescu: yeh
pete_dushenski: nifty
pete_dushenski: is mike_c going to be switching btcalpha over to deedbot- then ? or a new wotsite needed as well ? /me is a big fan of btcalpha...
mircea_popescu: me2, he's not said much so far
PeterL: why need to switch? why not show both?
danielpbarron: PeterL, what is it you find so attractive about the other channel?
PeterL: well, seems to be more people talking there
PeterL: I have not yet been convinced there is a need to leave it
danielpbarron: kinda like how there's lots of blood where the hole gets cut
asciilifeform: PeterL: according to mircea_popescu, his machine polled a net of thousands of nodez, none of whom claimed to have heard of tx-a, before he transmitted the final tx of doom
danielpbarron: next step is decay
asciilifeform: fwiw i believe that he did the things he said he did.
asciilifeform: fuck wrong chan
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: i dun see teh problem, mike_c can run his thing whatever way he likes.
asciilifeform splits terminal to avoid further lulz
PeterL: see, happens already to post wrong chan!
mircea_popescu: and this convinces you of what ?
PeterL: who, me?
mircea_popescu: yes you. "see, x" generally implies a "i believe y", not clear what that y'd be here.
PeterL: well, in #b-a not long ago I said somebody was going to reply in the wrong chan, confuse everybody, couple hours later asciilifeform does
mircea_popescu: a. s'okay, i only read one so won't likely be confused.
PeterL: but it seems you are confused by conversation radomly popping into your chan from the other chan
mircea_popescu: hopefully facebook isn't actually next, woe unto me i'll be assaulted by the internet's entire firehose.
mircea_popescu: anyway, afaik i'm one of the very few if not the only irc user that actually only uses one channel - and even i use two these days, this and #eulora
mircea_popescu: everyone's survival under the scheme seems entirely likely.
mircea_popescu: in other news, kuomintang lost taiwan o.O
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: waiwut
mircea_popescu: 35 seats, absolutely irrelevant opposition now.
mircea_popescu: teh chinese are srsly competent.
mircea_popescu: ;;google chou tzu-yu
gribble: Chou Tzu-yu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chou_Tzu-yu>; Singer's Apology for Waving Taiwan Flag Stirs Backlash of Its Own ...: <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/world/asia/taiwan-china-singer-chou-tzu-yu.html>; Chou Tzuyu apology: Taiwanese K-pop singer forced to apologize ...: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCEVCirtt20>
asciilifeform: taiwan is lulzy
asciilifeform: usg's 'unsinkable carrier'
asciilifeform: i used to work with a fella from there
asciilifeform: he said 'nah nobody wants the fight"
asciilifeform: '
mircea_popescu: by and large from what i'm seeing china's plan is to simply use its gravitational pull.
mircea_popescu: supposedly nobody "can have cause to be upset" when things happen through that ; it's simply natural.
asciilifeform: aha sorta like albanians colonizing serbia via birthing
mircea_popescu: in line with what appears to be the xi policy. he's gutted the bureaucracy, which obviously pissed off all the wanna-be 14%, as what he aims is very much in line with the mp definition of government ("may exist for as long as i don't see it")
asciilifeform: or same in usa re mexico
mircea_popescu: slighter, smaller government ; which necessarily means more of him and less of the "institutions" ; should be palatable, or at least easier to defend.
mircea_popescu: some nonsense or other about how fish swim in water.
asciilifeform: taiwan is a dr.mengele creation of usg, just as, e.g., israel, and i can't fathom how it could outlast the creator
asciilifeform: the thermodynamic gradient at which it operates, is steep.
mircea_popescu: the only concerning item is that the english nonsense of "hurt feelings" seems to become fashionable in chinese discourse.
asciilifeform: waiwut
phf: asciilifeform: you keep saying "this like spanish revolution" but i don't think anyone actually groks what that means, because so far #b-a is like a sociological study of mutiny
pete_dushenski: i will say that it's on the quiet side in #trilema atm, but after glancing at the #b-a logs for 15 seconds, the noise gave me such a headache that i quickly forgave the selective speech and appreciated the tranquility here. i doubt i'm alone in this either.
shinohai: You aren't pete_dushenski. It's witch-hunt city over there and I want no part of it.
asciilifeform: shinohai must be reading a very different log than i
pete_dushenski: 'each man reads his own logs' (tm)
shinohai: I last looked at logs this morning, so oh well.
pete_dushenski: very much like how each man writes his own torah scroll.
shinohai: heh
trinque: phf: if you've got a log viewer nearly complete, do you want a postgresql db connection from me for it? I'll be collecting logs with the new deedbot.
asciilifeform: trinque: will it search the old logz ?
trinque: those will be imported yes
asciilifeform: neato.
mircea_popescu: so i tried to watch "the ballad of jack and rose".
mircea_popescu: holy shit it's bad.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, the enviroderps don't even realise just how tediously insufferable their propaganda is, i suspect. fucking jehova witnesses already.
asciilifeform: from imdb, reminiscent of a different, fun film, 'hanna'
asciilifeform: did mircea_popescu ever see ^ ?
mircea_popescu: did not. ima put it on list then.
asciilifeform: it's an oddity.
asciilifeform: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0993842 << it.
mircea_popescu: but for the other thing, and more important i guess : it's strictly impossible by now to distinguish teenager daughter from wife in a film. not only because the fucking actresses represented as sexually powerful are so fucking neotenuous it's uncanny ; but also because of the retarded habit of giving women the same age all the fucking roles. they're all "29" ; and finally because fucking hell family relations in anglosphere...
phf: trinque: yes! that would be handy. i just audited that postgresql common lisp driver (not the popular one, but the pure network pg one)
mircea_popescu: why is teenage daughter calling her father "you" ? how is this proper ?
mircea_popescu: if this is proper, why not fuck her ?
phf: the reader is idiosyncratic, so i'll have to make it more palatable for general consumption
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: their language br0k3 ~400y ago
mircea_popescu: idiosyncratic how ?
asciilifeform: not their fault!1111
mircea_popescu: pfff!
phf: http://glyf.org/h/b-a
phf: well, like for example it adds spaces based on how much time passed between messages
mircea_popescu: meh.
asciilifeform: phf: what is this
mircea_popescu hates scrolling
asciilifeform: phf: i see b-a log with buncha white space
asciilifeform: and nothing else
phf: asciilifeform: it's an older version that i wrote a while ago and been using for reading
mircea_popescu: you actually prefer it like that ?
asciilifeform: i'd at least make the white intervals logarithmic
phf: well, it makes more sense when conversation is very dense the way it usually is
asciilifeform: because this is unbearable
mircea_popescu: apparently every man does write his own torah huh.
phf: you get nice little clusters of "conversation happens here"
phf: there are flags that it takes that disables the behavior, and yeah "large chunks of space" is annoying and log would've been better if i wanted to go and fix it
mircea_popescu: if we had an artist in attendance he could make you curlicues
mircea_popescu: more elaborate by degrees.
asciilifeform: l0l
phf: have newer version that has fancy features, but i couldn't really roll it out for myself, since "download logs over http from kako's server" is not best strategy
phf: now that's an idea
asciilifeform: every man HAD BETTER be prepared to 'write own torah' - because gossipd.
phf: generative vines that grow based on how much space there is
asciilifeform: the concept of 'this here's the log' will not compute in gossipworld.
asciilifeform: every node - his own log.
asciilifeform: with slightly different people in it.
mircea_popescu: phf> generative vines that grow based on how much space there is << word.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 404727 | Current Difficulty: 1.6549683511822635E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 405215 | Next Difficulty In: 488 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 0 hours, 44 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
asciilifeform: some folks might choose to make their gossip log public/httpized, sure.
phf: asciilifeform: how's conversation links going to work?
asciilifeform: phf: as described above.
phf: oh i remembered what the flags are http://glyf.org/h/b-a?no-spacing&nick=asciilifeform
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform: lulzy log btw.
pete_dushenski: tat makes it.
asciilifeform: srsly what's that fella doin' there.
pete_dushenski: more than a few of the starting line-up vacated the premises, giving the benchwarmers a fresh shot
phf: kind of like a fellah who heard girl he fancies broke up, "hey, how's it going! yeah, i've just been in the neighborhood, oh you broke up? too bad.... so is there anyone on the horizon???"
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i for one had nfi there ~was~ a 'bench'
asciilifeform: or that TaT was sitting on it
pete_dushenski: it's been a educational day in more sense than one then
pete_dushenski: an*
asciilifeform: but note, i did predict, classical b-a will die an immunocompromised death, without mircea_popescu's ddt spray
asciilifeform: sorta like the old fantasy of every hooligan kid, 'what if teacher went away'
pete_dushenski: aha. lord of the flies
asciilifeform: now i could be wrong, perhaps it ~won't~ become a magnet for the vermin that were previously shot on sight
phf: asciilifeform: that was the point of my inquiry
asciilifeform: phf: aha, mine also. so far the data is discouraging - who the fuck, for example, is aegis ?
pete_dushenski: inb4 all the 'joke' characters from last april fool's ~actually~ populate b-a. obligatory : http://trilema.com/2015/ok-ok-you-had-me-d/
asciilifeform: l0l!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incredible, shoe reference in article even!
danielpbarron: aegis is some guy i traded a bunch of cash in the mail with, and then flipped out over something i don't even recall what, but it was back when i was in otc
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the curious minds among the new folks, let's run through that list. jared kenna for a while ran the 2nd largest btc/usd exchange. ran off with the piggy, started a real estate development with it, had the unmitigated audacity to try coming back into bitcoin, because hey, "community" is worth a bowl of soup a head.
mircea_popescu: dproberts i imagine is to be the derpy guy with a "drugs market" that couldn't sell a bag of coke ; also ordered some "murders for highre".
mircea_popescu: gavinandersen is the "experts agree" derp from last year.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin_charlie is actually recently famous for the whole "this is what they don't tell you" thing.
mircea_popescu: chaangnoi aka goat aka 1k other things is some derpy wanna-be living in thailand and for a while doing whatever dubious coolie business in and around glbse. mostly pirate-related scammerships.
mircea_popescu: zhoutong is one of the people involved in the bitcoinica scam ; he was supposed to be some azn child genius.
mircea_popescu: shtylman had an exchange that was "hacked", all sorts of ridiculous pretentious bs. wore a derpy hat ; was supposed to be some sort of white kid genius.
mircea_popescu: aaand i tire of the derpage heh.
mircea_popescu: phf> asciilifeform: how's conversation links going to work? << this is actually a rather complex problem. i suspect they well might not work at all.
phf: i only just realized that..
mircea_popescu: i mean on a 80% sort of approach, sure, no problem
mircea_popescu: but if you approach the matter fundamentally, it quickly balloons.
deedbot-: [Ossasepia] When the Messenger Shoots Back - http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/03/28/when-the-messenger-shoots-back/
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu off to read this now.
mircea_popescu: heh.
ben_vulpes: RIDE NEVER ENDS RIDE NEVER ENDS RIDE NEVER ENDS
phf: diana_coman: just to clarify, the framing was deliberate and part of a larger thread. when i started conversation kakobrekla and nubbins were both trigger happy and aggressive, the purpose of the entire thread was to figure out where they stand by softening their disposition. talking in terms of competency (worded as a hypothetical accusation to be weighted by a hypothetical court) has proven effective in the past in clarifying kakobrekla's thinki
phf: ng, because anything stronger than that he bulks
pete_dushenski: balks*
phf: sick gains
ben_vulpes: hail broseidon
diana_coman: aha, thanks for the clarification phf ; I did follow the whole thread but I can't say I actually caught this intent of yours as such
pete_dushenski: 'ma, i'm out of proteen powdah!'
diana_coman: kakobrekla is basically an unknown quantity to me, I must add
ben_vulpes: i am fully torn between the poles of wanting to understand why mircea_popescu burned the coins to make the point, desperately wanting continuity with the logs-as-they-were, and recognizing the futility-cum-insubordination of a footsoldier asking anything
ben_vulpes: but hey, we move the camp, dig more latrines.
ben_vulpes: smoke more cigarettes, talk shit about cmdrs.
diana_coman: fwiw continuity has never been, in my experience of anything, of the "as things were" variety
pete_dushenski: https://youtu.be/Q5QJ9i_o5vo?t=1m37s << 'broteen powdah' reference
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: "change is the only constant!" (d,tmr~). i've no desire for communiteh and happiness and being in a room where everyone gets along. but the logs were valuable in their own right, for as long as they had that continuity.
diana_coman: sure, continuity is valuable, whenever it can be had
ben_vulpes: "but if the cost of having continuity is to be shackled to dem000cracy (tm alf), i'll happily shed the continuity to be rid of the cows"?
diana_coman: it's either that or shoot the cows, no?
ben_vulpes: hard to say, as a cow
diana_coman: and moreover I have to say that a bit earlier in b-a I had this uneasy feeling that people were patting one another on the back, maybe it was just me
ben_vulpes: i'm entirely guilty of seeing something that my raven-eye finds shiny and reacting with "neat" or "nifty" or "cool"
ben_vulpes: sometimes even with exclamation points!
diana_coman: ah, no, I meant more of the rate-me-rate-you variety really
phf: diana_coman: right, thread was for myself rather then others, and i found what i was looking for. i just couldn't keep dodging snark and "shit in soup" every other sentence, so had to make that detour
phf: *THAN
BingoBoingo: Going back to the Easter Sunday thread, Reddit tries home improvement https://archive.is/86cpZ
trinque: ben_vulpes │ ... and recognizing the futility-cum-insubordination of a footsoldier asking anything << what foot soldier was this? All I saw was a Ricky from Trailer Park Boys impersonation shouting words he heard on terribly written TV about biznis
trinque: and a bunch of #b-a oldfags not doing anything about it
ben_vulpes: trinque: myself
ben_vulpes: and as mircea_popescu has pointed out, courts' mandate descends from the king but may not bind him
asciilifeform: http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/03/28/when-the-messenger-shoots-back/#comment-246
trinque sees the king angle, and also the "anything in my hands is mine to do with, and who asked anyone else?"
trinque: or what did the declaration I signed mean?
asciilifeform: trinque: if mircea_popescu had been going for the 'fuck off, who asked anyone' angle, why would he have bothered to write the qntra piece re: miner collusion ?
trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-03-2016#1430385
asciilifeform: trinque: aha, it is called fuhrerprinzip
asciilifeform: and is a thing.
asciilifeform: all effective undertakings - have it.
ben_vulpes: eyyy trinque not that you're short of work or anything rn but hey, add 'titles' to the todo list?
trinque: yaya sure
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes there's really nothing wrong in asking anything.
mircea_popescu: futile it may be ; but that's really up to teh asker.
mircea_popescu: also, i see absolutely no reason why log continuity would be disrupted ?!
ben_vulpes: when i asked, you said "none of you dickbags get off your asses and actually do anything, why would i ask of you one whit"
mircea_popescu: wait, wut ?
asciilifeform: i recall this.
mircea_popescu: you'll hafta quote.
ben_vulpes quotes, quotes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-03-2016#1426381
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-03-2016#1432257
phf: of snap it's a quote-off! two boys enter, one man leave!
mircea_popescu: well now. alf's easily disposed of : bitbet did in fact go into such receivership ; i have little doubt ben_vulpes is doing things. so that's that.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes' is not easily disposed of.
mircea_popescu: but there's a space between what your quote shows and what "futility-cum-insubordination of a footsoldier asking anything" means.
mircea_popescu: (there's also a difference between asking admiral lord nelson what color are his flags ; or how his cannons work ; and asking him why he put the ships in a line ten apart. but this for another time.)
ben_vulpes: i asked "why did you not bring this before the forum first?", and received "what, /you/ idiots?", from which i derive that i am not to expect answers, and if to not expect answer why ask?
mircea_popescu: the fact of teh matter is that the forum's not there yet.
ben_vulpes: nevertheless, ask i did, and answer of some sort i received.
asciilifeform: when i asked re: the cartel, i got : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432648
asciilifeform: sorta like usg's 'classified due to Sources & Methods (tm)' form letter reply.
mircea_popescu: there is an outstanding issue ; i dunno how much you actually still credit the (separate network - not miner cartel) theory. i dunno how to approach that to make it plain to you it holds no water. tho it necessarily doesn't.
asciilifeform: i believe that mircea_popescu is a clever fella, and that, given the prior available to HIM, it 'necessarily doesn't'
asciilifeform: but not with ~mine~
asciilifeform: from my perch it is not distinguishable from bush's 'weapons of mass destruction' thing
mircea_popescu: i would expect it to be dissolvable on purely formal grounds, because the whole thing is nothing other and nothing more than a nominal attempt. but dunno why this isn't obvious.;
mircea_popescu: so it'll have to wait.
ben_vulpes: our very own pascalian wager
mircea_popescu: as you know - the serbs, using very primitive technology, shot down an "invisible" fighter jet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu thinks 'nominal attempt' - as in 'hasty justification because asciilifeform had indigestion and was inclined to harp on mircea_popescu for no good reason' ?
asciilifeform: whereas i've modelled sybilatrons for ages.
mircea_popescu: it ~could~ be argued that what they shot down was an ACTOR plane acting the part of being a fighter jet in a film about serbs.
mircea_popescu: that saying would be in no way distinguishable from this other theory.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, no.
mircea_popescu: just... you know... "how did actor plane end up in us controlled airspace ?" "well... they were in on it" "so it was a us plane" "uh no.. it was NOT REALLY." "mk ?"
asciilifeform: better example, bear with me:
mircea_popescu: so i will.
asciilifeform: a top-of-the-line american jet is found with a clean fist-sized hole lengthwise, incl. pilot's arse. pieces reassembled, and everyone shits their pants in astonishment.
asciilifeform: two theories dominate,
mircea_popescu: (for the curious, the primitive technology was, dumbass plane shading microwave towers. same thing the germans used to fire their rocket plane munitions in ww2.)
asciilifeform: one - ru prayed in new spiffy church and god interceded, carefully carved hole in plane and pilot's arse.
asciilifeform: other - that ru had electron beam gun.
asciilifeform: no hard proof of (a) or (b)
asciilifeform: but i hold that (b) is more reasonable hypothesis ipso facto.
mircea_popescu: identify the pairs in this example for my benefit cuz i dun see any relation ?
asciilifeform: because ~weighs less~
asciilifeform: (a) is cartel, (b) - sybils.
mircea_popescu: this is a very poor identification.
asciilifeform: perhaps with respect to (a)
asciilifeform: cartel of miners is something that plausibly may exist, as i said before. but i do not see it as the ~necessary hypothesis~
mircea_popescu: it seems to me any operative model for this dispute will have to be a) item that does something ; b) which would be restricted to members of a priviledged class ; c) which the item is purported not to be a member of ; d) while admitting the priviledged class was necessarily aware of the behaviour and tolerant of it.
mircea_popescu: how c and d can both stand is a very curious thing indeed.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu has the time/patience, let's arithmetize
mircea_popescu: i'm not going anywhere.
asciilifeform: argument here is - if miners do not ~collectively~ countenance the sybil, it cannot operate ?
mircea_popescu: not collectively, but unanimously.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: to a measurable but in any case low tolerance. sure, 0.000001% hash won't matter.
asciilifeform: this is the exact point where i disagreed, the last time we did this thread and were interrupted
asciilifeform: sybil has the upper hand over miners
asciilifeform: because miners do not generate tx
mircea_popescu: miners do not need tx to get paid.
mircea_popescu: currently they make 9x% of their money from stipend.
asciilifeform: their margin is so pathologically narrow that the tx matter
mircea_popescu: you understgand this "? yes sybil problems will be incredible once that goes away
asciilifeform: aha, yes
mircea_popescu: but for now, the miners yet have the upper hand, as long as that lasts.
asciilifeform: but they are so threadbare, that a loss of 2-3% can mean death.
asciilifeform: even now.
mircea_popescu: not for the cartel.
mircea_popescu: which is why there's one.
mircea_popescu: yes, it's true that the naive view of bitcoin network rapidly collapses into your view, on the basis of your theory.
asciilifeform: ftr the cartel exists unquestionably, the high-S derpage is proof of it
asciilifeform: (why NO high-S miners?)
mircea_popescu: in reality however it odes not - because it collapses into a state of even lower energy even faster.
asciilifeform: hm?
mircea_popescu: your idea with (indepoendent miners very threadbare + sybil) is much higher latent heat than the (miner cartel) situation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i buy the miner cartel! if you recall, i walked into #b-a with miner cartel.
mircea_popescu: it may get a run for its money 3-4-6 halvings down the road. maybe even one for each.
asciilifeform: (to some laughter)
asciilifeform: it ~is~ the low-energy state of the system
mircea_popescu: at the time it was politically expedient to not admit the possibility ; even as it loomed.
asciilifeform: (hamiltonian mechanics recommended to all in the audience, helps)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i grasped this.
asciilifeform: it was a difficult time, smart folks were very difficult to persuade to give a damn re bitcoin
mircea_popescu: smart folk are difficult to persuade to give a damn about anything other than onanism.
mircea_popescu: it's the curse of humanity.
asciilifeform: i walked the razor blade for a very long time, ended up very p0000r for it
asciilifeform: if i had even so much as mined on the ~fpgas that i already owned~ when the thing began, i would be in neighbouring dirigible to mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: if this won't be enough instruction to be as slutty as you can as young as you can get your cunt wet...
asciilifeform: generally it is not an interesting line of thought, it is on par with 'if i knew today's lottery number last week'
mircea_popescu: not quite. one can be a whore today. time ticks away.
asciilifeform: but i have less excuse than most, i followed the subject before it was a subject, had my own crackpot bitcoin, unpublished, a decade ago, etc.
mircea_popescu: you ever read the sufferances of young werther btw ?
asciilifeform: yes!
mircea_popescu: and they think goethe was a genius
asciilifeform: (spoiler re: above: blockchain as an exponentiated-primes product!111)
mircea_popescu: da fuck did he know.
asciilifeform: anyway i'm a (p0000r) whore today, fwiw.
mircea_popescu: prosit.
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: briefly back to thread, i credit miner cartel, as i did in the beginning, as the INEVITABLE consequence of satoshi IDIOCY
asciilifeform: the whole design, like the infamous 'galloping gertie' dud bridge, leads to this.
mircea_popescu: while the man wasn't the bright and fresh messiah we all would have no doubt preferred,
mircea_popescu: i am not sure this one is on his hump.
asciilifeform: how not ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu himself teaches us that 'you are responsible for ALL questions on the exam'
asciilifeform: satoshi ~could~ have invented mircea_popescu's hybrid pow/pos algo.
mircea_popescu: sure, sure,
mircea_popescu: but it is altogether unclear the problem can be at all FIXED.
asciilifeform: i can see at least a dozen effective variants of fix.
mircea_popescu: to fix what, the troubles you met ?
mircea_popescu: troubles you met how, by following the blowups of the fix he did for the problems he did see ?
asciilifeform: to fix the 'miners can selectively deny tx', for instance
mircea_popescu: yay us , i guess.
mircea_popescu: what can you tell me of the unknown unknowns ?
asciilifeform: as well as 'idiots can mine without operating node'
mircea_popescu: a very poor understanding of actual finance and actual economics, as much as it is the direct cause of floundering of the formerly great american empire ; is also directly evident at work in bitcoin and among the geeks.
asciilifeform: a well-designed ~mathematical~ mechanism doesn't HAVE 'unknown unknowns.' it has PROOF where 'unless x,y,z ' (e.g., ecdsa break, or p==np) 'mechanism works such-n-such'
mircea_popescu: gavin has nfi idea ; but generally - this stuff is hard, and the people who grok it damned few if extant at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform last i checked with the learned monks, they didn't even have a FUCKING CIPHER
mircea_popescu: but that was so long ago perhaps the monastery has meanwhile been rebuilt upside down ?
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: very good news indeed!
mircea_popescu: anyway, alf : we share in teh ideals. lemme convict the man for wearing down the rails deliberately after i see the superconducting magnetorail in operation.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i also recommend hamiltonians for they interested in becoming less dumb in finance & economy than the famous sheep of http://trilema.com/2010/rabinul-si-oaia/
asciilifeform: there's an engl ver
asciilifeform: on trilema no less, iirc
mircea_popescu: ah right you are.
asciilifeform: i will give example, of the precious few 'gifts of the learned monks',
asciilifeform: rsa is NOT publicly proven to be equivalent to Factoring in difficulty;
asciilifeform: cramer-shoup ~is~ provably equivalent to diffie-hellman discrete log.
mircea_popescu: no, really, their efforts and value are not for a second in question. but the bridge to absolute "a well designed mathematical mechanism" has not yet been made
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the site's nto even picked as of yet.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2014#856353 << possible starting point, but i misplace the mega-thread
asciilifeform: 'martian bank'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100378 << possibly better
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima be taking the sluts to a nude promenade, bbl.
asciilifeform goes off for a scale model version of this
trinque: if C-M-\ isn't a hair from C-M-Backspace...
mod6: <+asciilifeform> now i could be wrong, perhaps it ~won't~ become a magnet for the vermin that were previously shot on sight << already is!
asciilifeform: mod6: right now it's mainly kako, phf, and i
asciilifeform: mod6: arithmetizing what the events of today would look like on a gossiptronic net.
trinque: good evening mike_c
mike_c: hello
mod6: asciilifeform: not talking about now anyhow.
mod6: anyway, re your ddt comment, seems to be an analog for "a hole where the night creeps in"
mod6: mike to the c!
mod6: what is up
mike_c: hey :) good to see you
asciilifeform: hey mike_c
mod6: u too man
asciilifeform: welcome to new planet.
asciilifeform: mod6: much of today there was 'how large is this hole'
mod6: mhmm.
mike_c: not much up - I got my life settled a bit and came back and have been working my way through the shitstorm that hit around here.
mod6: werd. glad you're catchin a break a bit. last we talked you were mighty swamped with stuff.
mike_c: yeah, then it got worse
mike_c: but now it's better.
mod6: cool.
mod6: not much changed around here; still got coinz, still got that drama
mike_c: hehe
mod6: alf and mp came up with a thing called 'V'
mod6: speaking of which, i literally did jack fuck all this past month on trb
mod6: lol, first SoBA to have literally no activity. i gotta grind hard in April i think.
mod6: bunch of us have been learning scheme and Ada
mod6: so that's been kinda cool.
mod6: alf just sits back and laughs
mod6: i'll catch up by the time im like 394 years old.
mod6: he'll still be in kindergarden.
mike_c: oh, wow. considering a rewrite?
mod6: if its possible at all.
mod6: btc has to work better than a 767
mod6: but not sure if we can make it happen with breaking ourselves off into our own universe.
mod6: could require a true hardfor
mod6: k
mike_c: yeah, hard to reproduce bug-for-bug in another language.
mod6: bingo
mod6: mp has some neato non-ada ideas surrounding sponges
mod6: so we'll see.
mike_c: heh, sponges. I've got a lot of log reading to do..
mod6: yah, there's a lot of stuff. trilema will probably get you caught up as a readers-digest
mod6: no worries though, it'll be there.
mircea_popescu: mike_c> but now it's better. << cool!
mike_c: yes, baby is a bit bigger, and new job is settling in. life is manageable again (or will be once I've caught up on trilema + logs)
mircea_popescu: mod6> bunch of us have been learning scheme and Ada << hey, time spent retooling the shop is still work
mircea_popescu: hey, at least it's not boring!
mike_c: srsly
mircea_popescu: and as an added benefit i'm no longer the young man i used to be, doing 100+ articles/month like 2010
asciilifeform: fwiw i have pretty close to a working bignumatron in ada.
mircea_popescu: proper big ?
asciilifeform: (but then again i have 'pretty close' to working postgres db in phuctor, so there)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what means proper-big
asciilifeform: up to size of machine mem
mircea_popescu: that.
asciilifeform: then yes.
mircea_popescu: nb.
asciilifeform: ada memory alloc is an interesting item that deserves own conversation
asciilifeform: it has allocation but NOT free ! (you can 'cheat' and re-enable it, but then your proggy is considered 'cursed')
asciilifeform: students of the lang, e.g., mod6, prolly understand why
mircea_popescu: so how do you deallocate ?
mike_c: sounds like normal bitocin. allocate memory and don't free it.
asciilifeform: you RECYCLE
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: as in, re-use the blocks sanely.
mircea_popescu: tbh i like the new rested ny-steak&snark mike_c much better than the tired one!
asciilifeform: and don't ever allocate a block you have no intention of re-using in its birth size.
mike_c: ;)
asciilifeform: in essence ada demands that you make intelligent use of static blocks of ram
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so i gotta write my own malloc every time
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only if you insist of 'writing c'
asciilifeform: *insist on
mircea_popescu: you know "me", i'm a coder. i'd do anything rather than think.
asciilifeform: where buffers are born and die promiscuosly
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: for incorrigible c-smokers, it has a 'unchecked deallocation' thing that you can re-enable, at your peril.
asciilifeform: then you can 'write c' aha.
asciilifeform: but this defeats a good chunk of the purpose of using ada to begin with.
asciilifeform: i will give example pertaining to bignum/crypto
mircea_popescu: explain this to me. how do i write ada-bitcoin with variable-sized blocks ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by allocating the size of the largest possible block, for ALL block
mircea_popescu: ...
asciilifeform: as in fact described by mircea_popescu in the bitcoin-fs thread.
mircea_popescu: this defeats the whole purpose of VARIABLE sized blocks
mircea_popescu: you're not about to tell me the block limit is actually part of ada,
mircea_popescu: in the sense of, it being part of sanity.
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: awww.
mircea_popescu: but "i" talked to all these moorexperts!
asciilifeform: i will point out that it is possible to build a physical machine that behaves as if it were possible to have multiple memories, and auto-defrags the space
asciilifeform: but we have no such machine.
asciilifeform: but who ~really~ needs one, can build.
mircea_popescu: actually no. who really needs one, can't build.
asciilifeform: (and he will pay the price of non- O(1) allocation.)
mircea_popescu: who really needs to build a girlfriend, also can't.
asciilifeform: well yes, fella falling from the empire state building is a bit occupied, too busy to build a chute.
asciilifeform: it is the habit of idlers like asciilifeform to sit around knitting silk for NO FUKCING good reason11111
asciilifeform brb, food
mircea_popescu: he eats like an argentine now, at 1 am.
mircea_popescu: i meant more in the sense of you'd have to be an idiot to need it, but neways.
asciilifeform back
asciilifeform: incidentally, did we ever do the 'bottomless ram' thread ?
mircea_popescu: other than ring buffer ?
asciilifeform: it is hypothetically possible, at least by napkin calculation, that one day memory device will be built , of usefully high capacity, that... wears out before you can ever fill it up
mircea_popescu: oh that. in 2014.
asciilifeform: where it doesn't actually make sense to erase.
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: and yeah i'm pretty sure we had it here.
asciilifeform: so that's another way to have 'variable blox'
asciilifeform: ...never to reuse ram.
mircea_popescu: it's of the nature of "it is possible, at least by napkin pullulation, that one day we have AI".
mircea_popescu: i'll believe when i see it.
asciilifeform: you can also approximate this horror using 'broken hearts'
asciilifeform: they existed on some variants of lispm
mircea_popescu: also ftr pullulation IS an english word. wtf is with these "spellcheckers" omfg
asciilifeform: memory locations with magican n+1th bit set, which behave as transparent pointer
mircea_popescu: what is the fucking point to have a tool that spells worse than the human.
asciilifeform: pulullakin !111
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-02-2015#1001619 <<
asciilifeform: ( <assbot> Logged on 20-03-2014 14:20:09; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'cum se suge pula' << can't help but associate this in my head with the finnish proverb, 'Pillu se on pulullakin' )
mircea_popescu: hehe
mircea_popescu: have you spent the past week re-reading logs in integrum and doing head-xreferencing ?
asciilifeform: past n yearz.
asciilifeform: (to finish off the 'broken hearts' - they let you defrag a memory without actually moving anything.)
asciilifeform: how to move ~the broken hearts themselves~ is an exercise for the reader...
mircea_popescu: "how to get girl - first, get her sister. how to get sister - exercise etc"
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: (the answer, afaik, is that you 'moved them' by flipping the mains current.)
mircea_popescu: did we ever say the finnish proverb is "even pigeon has a cunt" ?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: no bird actually has a cunt, but what do the finns know.
asciilifeform: this was iirc plainly described in the original source
mircea_popescu: incidentally, do you know how to fuck the bird in hand ?
asciilifeform: and i suspect meant 'fuckable opening'
asciilifeform: american legendary 19th c. folk hero davy crockett is said to have fucked whooping cranes. but he took off the head first.
mircea_popescu: i never heard that one.
asciilifeform: it is in an old b00k of sexpathology i have somewhere.
asciilifeform: will dig out.
mod6: haha, plz link if you find it.
asciilifeform: mod6: will prolly have to scan 1st
asciilifeform: english crud tends to not be on the net already
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many fine jewish boys helped the ducks being fattened swallow their peas with the peanis.
asciilifeform: i've never farmed ducks, are they typically debeaked ?
mircea_popescu: there's this implement, keep it open.
asciilifeform: aha the goose-feeding tool
asciilifeform: the one with the crank.
mircea_popescu: the animal's overfed to cirhosis over a few weeks, in the traditional process
asciilifeform: i recall this, iirc you nail their legs to the floor also
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, the immunocompromise thing was accurate, already folks who oughta know better, on old planet, asked me if i'd host a powerranger idiot repo 'for trb'
asciilifeform: melted my brain right through the mouth, it did
asciilifeform: funkenstein_ you oughta be ashamed.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> as in, re-use the blocks sanely. << ok so we'd have to therefore keep a 'free list' - a list of objects/items that have been deleted and are "recycled" and may be used again or I suppose we could then call 'Ada.Unchecked_Deallocation' on an item in the free list to shink the list thereby reclaiming the memory.
asciilifeform: mod6: correct
asciilifeform: re: the latter, see thread from ~1h ago
mod6: i think i was just trying to follow that thread in my own sense of it.
mod6: i had to look it all up in the reference
asciilifeform: (spoiler: ada aggressively promotes sanity, in particular here the item described by mircea_popescu roughly a year ago, which is that a program must occupy EXACTLY its maximal memory footprint at all times)
asciilifeform: sorta how you budget for max-whatever for every category, so as never to have to say 'i cannot pay the electric bill'

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