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mircea_popescu: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/10695204/Paranoia-leads-Vladimir-Putin-to-the-point-of-no-return.html << o dude, there's no news like old news.
mircea_popescu: !!up gribble
deedbot: gribble voiced for 30 minutes.
gribble: Error: "!up" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | None based on data since last change | 8.59041868837e+11 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: ah, here's an example of non-reanimating remora asciilifeform : craig woods.
mircea_popescu: batshit insane and rather dumb "female" dood, was going to do something or other by some date or other back in 2014.
BingoBoingo: YET!!!
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: and in other things you've missed out on, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-15#561144
a111: Logged on 2014-03-15 13:17 mircea_popescu: "A Rational Discussion Medium Focusing on Cryptocurrency, Cryptography and Privacy Claim your bitcointalk.org username on Cryptanalys.is to redeem your free karma today!"
mircea_popescu: aaaand, in three year old re-runs, http://25.media.tumblr.com/7bfcdda0062963b9fd89c2f05d95dea9/tumblr_mtmbhf6lwn1rztzruo1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: Awe, adorbs!
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: In other scuttlebutt, now Bezos' Amazon WAPO is implying a military coup against Trump may be impending
mircea_popescu: lmao.
mircea_popescu: mp-ball says, nuclear strike levelling washington, dc about three degrees of magnitude more likely than "military coup".
mircea_popescu: even alf got the fuck out of there, which was the last serious impediment. #nukedc
mircea_popescu: and in other "abstraction meets reality" lulz, http://lekki.adsafrica.com.ng/category/145/ "women seeking women in nigeria".
BingoBoingo: Anyways, here's the loller https://archive.is/oZIdE
mircea_popescu: the one salient point, which apparently makes it even into the officialist crapolade, is that, to quote them, "the situation in afghanistan continues to deteriorate". in fact, afghanistan is about to fall.
mircea_popescu: the "government", as usgtards importantly call the aspie enablers, has gone about as long as it'll go. they nominally control a majority of the territory, but this looks well set for an inflection.
BingoBoingo: But where will the junkies get their Heroin?
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
BingoBoingo supposes CIA could start growing poppies in Canada
BingoBoingo: Or scale up poppy farming in ukr
mircea_popescu: the problem with heroin is that it's a very stupid drug. as such, it goes in cycles, about 20 years long or so (ie, as long as it takes for a new generation of lemmings to entirely forget). it's on a downcycle right now.
BingoBoingo: Well, in US appears to be peaking.
mircea_popescu: i'd guess already peaked, but anyway.
BingoBoingo: Hard to tell till the accumulation of cold bodies start slowing down.
mircea_popescu: easy to tell, gotta look at "new acquisition" numbers for active pimp ops with a heroin side.
mircea_popescu: once they stop getting hotties, the drop is months away.
BingoBoingo: Ah
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/08/pantsuit-west-virginia-governor-defects-to-join-trump/ << Qntra - Pantsuit West Virginia Governor Defects To Join Trump
BingoBoingo: ^ Gubanatorial score is 34 GOP, 15 Pantsuit, one Weird
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693758 << i've never lived in the city walls proper; or outside of thermonuke fire zone either
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 04:27 mircea_popescu: even alf got the fuck out of there, which was the last serious impediment. #nukedc
asciilifeform: would very happily call in the strike on own coordinates tho, if could.
asciilifeform: dc is usg's arse, however, not head. a conscientious exterminator ougta ablate boston and sanfran 1st.
asciilifeform: zurich, london, berlin, as basic secondaries.
BingoBoingo: Gotta wipe New Amserdam too, And Chiraq, lest Chiraqui flavor of pantsuit fill void.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the latter is quite depopulated as is
asciilifeform: i go there on bizbis sometimes. into a mostly empty soot-coloured skyscraper.
asciilifeform: where half the lifts dunwork.
asciilifeform: you can hear pipes laid in edison's life, groaning.
BingoBoingo: 2.7 million in Chiraq proper, and 10 million in metro area. Skyscrapers empty, but ghettos full. Chicago has a full "star" mass transit topology, shrinks precieved size of city.
asciilifeform: 2.7m of what.
asciilifeform: do you know even 1 name ?
BingoBoingo: "residents"
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: i saw transgenderfucked beggars, expelled from 'art school', on the pavement.
asciilifeform: i suppose from humane pov they oughta be put out of their misery, but rockets cost money and i can't picture anyone will ever spare one for them.
mircea_popescu: ruthie's own mr snyder prolly spins in his grave.
asciilifeform: whossat?
mircea_popescu: one of the better stories of 30s hollywood (they did very few original scripts then as now) was the story of ruth etting and moe the gimp snyder.
mircea_popescu: dime-a-dance girl turned major star, etc. it's the substance of both love me or leave me and "the roaring twenties"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i saw transgenderfucked beggars, expelled from 'art school', on the pavement. << And when they die during the winter they will still vote Pantsuit. It's what Chicago does. Along with it's downstate mestatasis Belleville and East Saint Louis.
BingoBoingo: Same Belleville of http://qntra.net/2017/06/leftist-terrorist-from-belleville-attacks-gop-baseball-team/ fame
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and when pharaon ramses rules from anchorage, they will 'vote' ramses. beggars ain't agents.
BingoBoingo: But they trick the Hussein Bahamas fellow into thinking he is an agent
BingoBoingo: Feed the beggars and they'll tell you to update they testament again
mircea_popescu: should be interesting what the third, further optimized version will be like.
BingoBoingo: Give Fna a sheet of paper. Let the adorable one encode it as only he can, at his leisure.
mircea_popescu: and also make a little cart so it can carry beans around from cupboard to counter ? and what else.
BingoBoingo: Prolly keep the bigger spiders away, Fna's prolly on some of their menus.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, at this point each of Fna's footsteps carry more meaning than anything spewing outta pantsuited chicago.
mircea_popescu: not to mention can walk on ceiling.
BingoBoingo: Seriously
asciilifeform: gekko << 'Скажите, заросли конопли, / ответь, пятнистый геккон, / За что двадцатая часть земли / Должна вдыхать эту вонь?' (tm)(r)(pelevin)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the idea is that this was some chicago hardass who "viewed the world as a battleground". very different chicago in 1927.
asciilifeform: ohyea the one with 'chicago typewriter'.
mircea_popescu: no, the one with the "and i'll fix your ticket too" @ his daughter.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at teh rave, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e83d168e2f19f98fd87b957319565999/tumblr_o8pyprPoty1sx6xa0o1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: trumpenguard now operating out of a double-wide: http://archive.is/1efqN
ben_vulpes: nah, hasta be a single-wide
ben_vulpes: eldritch reactor rod automation and complexity-layering: https://keybase.io/docs/kbfs
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/73F5B65045D18FE5164134652EAC7E16FF08864E46B284D382356BBFBF2E22F6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1533...1907 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '68.168.223.22 (ssh-rsa key from 68.168.223.22 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (clearwall.com. US NY)
ben_vulpes: egregiously papers over the notion that signing should be a special, considered act.
ben_vulpes: very fancy, 'user phriendly', pki
ben_vulpes: missed this gem: https://keybase.io/docs/server_security/merkle_root_in_bitcoin_blockchain
ben_vulpes: WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT THE PHORKS, KEYBASE?
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/73F5B65045D18FE5164134652EAC7E16FF08864E46B284D382356BBFBF2E22F6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1593...1023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '68.168.223.22 (ssh-rsa key from 68.168.223.22 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (clearwall.com. US NY)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE834FA2CAE6CBD32C94443C83E0878704F2638596E9AF7F6F11084E6E136D6E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1466...2859 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '159.90.200.230 (ssh-rsa key from 159.90.200.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown VE A)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE834FA2CAE6CBD32C94443C83E0878704F2638596E9AF7F6F11084E6E136D6E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1673...7557 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '159.90.200.230 (ssh-rsa key from 159.90.200.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown VE A)
mircea_popescu: in other unhappeneds, agnes miegel's an den fuhrer never existed, as far as the "gateway to world's culture" is concerned.
mircea_popescu: "Laß in deine Hand, Führer, uns vor aller Welt bekennen. Du und wir, nie mehr zu trennen stehen ein für unser deutsches Land." thereof is cited (with special washington reich permission, no doubt) by about five billion "different" and no doubt "independent" that "are giving quotes". you know, for illustrative purposes. to illustrate a point.
mircea_popescu: somehow that they all use the EXACT FUCKING TWO LINES as per the usg permit doesn't bother them. what, all lemmings think the same way, they independently and distinctly selected the exact some item for their illustrative needs. and they selected it out of the work in discussion, believe, not out of the reichkomissar's permit.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what the fuck is this dumb shit.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9DB2CFB61E561DB1780002B39A2523DDA4836126A29445037CED8A2F2DF48509 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1592...8787 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.65.6 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.65.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (3133.ovz-ssd7.hc.ru. RU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9DB2CFB61E561DB1780002B39A2523DDA4836126A29445037CED8A2F2DF48509 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1625...8253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.65.6 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.65.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (3133.ovz-ssd7.hc.ru. RU)
mircea_popescu: " Our goal: smack-dab in the middle of a public Reddit or HackerNews or Twitter conversation, you should be able to say "Hey, I threw those gifs/libraries/whatever in our encrypted keybase folder" without ever asking for more identifying info. If that person hasn't installed Keybase yet, your human work is still done. They can join and access the data within seconds, and your device will quietly handle the verification and re
mircea_popescu: keying, without ever trusting Keybase's servers."
mircea_popescu: what the shit is this pile of batshit insane nonsense even supposed to mean, besides "o shit, the republic is taking over, quick! pretend like we';re doing soemthing"
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/00C76818DF38314F2C638CC2DB46383905026817ADFB3645A4F9B970AD023D38 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1710...5887 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.160.235.82 (ssh-rsa key from 213.160.235.82 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ns01.online4u.no. NO 03)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/00C76818DF38314F2C638CC2DB46383905026817ADFB3645A4F9B970AD023D38 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1786...0597 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.160.235.82 (ssh-rsa key from 213.160.235.82 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ns01.online4u.no. NO 03)
mod6: mornin
asciilifeform: heya mod6
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693833 << the usual embrace&extinguish work.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 06:37 mircea_popescu: what the shit is this pile of batshit insane nonsense even supposed to mean, besides "o shit, the republic is taking over, quick! pretend like we';re doing soemthing"
asciilifeform: 'identity proofs (twitter, github, your website, etc.)' didjaknow.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, ACHTUNG PANZERS!
asciilifeform: i did finally get http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693606 going . had to edit makefile and ENABLE_TCL := 0
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 02:20 asciilifeform: 'yosys' is that chain's verilog synth; the whole shebang is quite dead in the water without it.
asciilifeform: so can haz ice40!!!!
asciilifeform: synthesis appears to work.
asciilifeform: ( not even substantially slower than xilinx chain. though i have currently nfi re output quality in re path delays )
asciilifeform: at some point will have to see re depython3ization.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/56j7x/?raw=true
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: examples/icestick/example.v BUILDS and programs and runs... blinkenlichten blink in the specified order.
asciilifeform: ( not a high bar, but probably enough to say now that next FUCKGOATS will NOT feature a xilinx no moar )
mod6: ah, cool alf
asciilifeform: 'icestick' is a notbad student devboard btw
asciilifeform: thumbdrive-shaped, no cabled needed
asciilifeform: *cables
asciilifeform: (carries own jtag-programmator along)
mod6: ~fiddybux, nb
asciilifeform: 25
asciilifeform: http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=57375&utm_source=GoogleShopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=Lattice%20Semiconductor&utm_campaign=ICE40HX1K-STICK-EVN&gclid=Cj0KCQjwtpDMBRC4ARIsADhz5O6lYGXDb4mfQa-6T-bZvt35DjOq1AJNVMLPxBN2i_K_lje_fekDtFoaAoUMEALw_wcB << 20.
asciilifeform: maybe even cheaper elsewhere.
asciilifeform: it isn't the only compat. devboard , by any means. but probably the smallest and most self-contained.
asciilifeform: has ftdi thing for usb i/o as well as programming.
asciilifeform: and buncha lights, and a pin header.
asciilifeform goes back to FFAism
asciilifeform: https://blog.lse.epita.fr//articles/77-lsepc-intro.html << in other veryolds.
mircea_popescu: aaand in other "isn't this lulzy", Aug 04 02:21:45 * mircea_popescu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Aug 04 02:21:45 * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket).
mircea_popescu: dorks gotta arresthire some more, srsly now, this is reich-level ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NV22W/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693840 << i didn't fucking know. explain plox! starting with https://keybase.io/images/tracking/maria_twitter.jpg perhaps. so what was it, mircea_popescu = m1rcea_p0pescu ? and what else, 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 = 2FB7B452 = ae1be204f735a3ff19160b68dcf5b06d2FB7B452 ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 14:17 asciilifeform: 'identity proofs (twitter, github, your website, etc.)' didjaknow.
mircea_popescu: schmucks.
mircea_popescu: "hey, we discover a way whereby cold equations no longer applies" "o wow. does this way still do anything ?" "nope" "so it's directly equivalent to not having invented anything" "yes, but we can brand this."
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693844 << o hey, turns out you didn't even need america's fastest lyoinnais transported flat tv screens for anything ? win.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 14:54 asciilifeform: so can haz ice40!!!!
asciilifeform: i since tested the j1forth thing on same board. builds, runs.
mircea_popescu: nice.
asciilifeform: 'the lady goes'
asciilifeform: this is a 20bux board that gives fullspeed usb , lamps, ir i/o (why -- idk ) and various else.
asciilifeform: 1k LUTs.
mircea_popescu: pretty cool
mircea_popescu: !!up diana_away
asciilifeform: ( moar than enough for, e.g., soft mips cpu, & similar )
deedbot: diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_away: thanks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ir i/o is not so bad to have. no need to crt/print and gun anymore, just use an ir diode system.
asciilifeform: it's 'promiscuous' , vs qr gun
asciilifeform: ideally you'd put a black hose around it.
mircea_popescu: well yes.
asciilifeform: then yes.
mircea_popescu: not even black as much as you know, ir dark.
asciilifeform: ( nao if i knew where i buried my serial-to-irda box from 1990s! )
mircea_popescu: from experience car cooling hose works fab.
mircea_popescu: (25 bux for a meter's worth or so)
asciilifeform: i used to make field-expedient photoisolators from diode+photocell+heatshrinkhose
mircea_popescu: which is heatshrinkhose ?
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/cagetest/1.jpg << the material (in this case, clear, but comes in all types) curled around the ferrites in pic
asciilifeform: it shrinks ~80% at 80c
mircea_popescu: ah
asciilifeform: btw i have 20GB or so out of that thing
asciilifeform: exactly same , as far as i can tell, as no box.
mircea_popescu: you mean, you had a boxed fg running and it produced 20GB of entropy so far and you can't detect anything more or less than with an unboxed FG ?
asciilifeform: correct.
mircea_popescu: yes but also comprehensible.
asciilifeform: all it shows is that the thing did not ~obviously~ pick up voiceofamerica.
asciilifeform: ( and revisiting http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/cagetest/2.jpg , for completeness, one coax is dc 5v , other -- ttl output )
asciilifeform: recall also http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/fibertest/fg_isol_sender.jpg + http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/fibertest/fg_isol_receiver.jpg gave similar null result for ~power~.
asciilifeform: (i.e. made no diff, in a lab setting, whether power source was pc (mine is on isolated mains however) or batt )
asciilifeform: both may very well still make diff in a tactical setting.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in subrural romania, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-BxbLyO_ng
asciilifeform: btw that laser was a bit wonky, i hesitate to recommend it : it would overpower the receiver if the fiber were actually screwed in all the way 'to the hilt', and barf
asciilifeform: but currently i have nfi who -- if anyone -- makes a better one pcb-mounted visible-light one. that module is ubiquitous.
asciilifeform: and it ain't a 'cable too short' either -- i used a 4-metre fiber
mircea_popescu: technically this is a good thing, can use very long cable.
mircea_popescu: screw a filter in if short, no biggy.
asciilifeform: bad thing because thing requires hour of manual fiddling
asciilifeform: and could fail if room gets too warm too cold etc
asciilifeform: it is not The Right Thing.
asciilifeform: a trial with toslink is in the worx but omfg i have too few hands and infinite work
mircea_popescu: :p
asciilifeform: ( and toshiba is rotting in hell, who knows if toslink will be around in near future. and for some reason they use slow slew rate diode and it tops out at 1M/s )
asciilifeform: incidentally for some reason i remember kako bragging about his 'data diode' thing, apparently it was his crowning techno-achievement
mircea_popescu: nothin wrong with dat.
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: but rather like bragging about changing oil in auto.
mircea_popescu: o yeah ? you think people generally can change their oil ?
asciilifeform: in old-time su, when auto aficionados all had access to a pit, they could
mircea_popescu: you gotta a) read the fucking manual to find oil drain spot ; b) lift front on crank ; c) set a large enough recipient correctly on the ground.
asciilifeform: lol re c
mircea_popescu: i would guess < 0.01% of general pop could do this at all.
mircea_popescu: andf in the "don't do more damage than the shop would charge ; and don't take longer than it'd take to take to shop" view... god help us. 0% and leave it at that.
asciilifeform: i recently saw a truck painted with ad, 'we are the plumber who will fix the pipe your husband 'fixed' '
mircea_popescu: their bane is technology. /me saw pipe screwed in backwards (for some reason pipe had been threaded the wrong way for the nut). but with the help of teflon tape (GAS version, btw) it only leaked a little. dripped.
mircea_popescu: if they didn't have access to human tools and tech generally, their stupidity would be unsustainable.
asciilifeform: holyfuck.
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: this is the problem. don't give orc fucking teflon tape.
asciilifeform: bonus re teflontape -- teflon + Al reaction -- explosion and HF. this requires strictly pressure to initiate. pressure that is sometimes reached in a water pipe...
mircea_popescu: you don't say.
mircea_popescu: which is the sad point that i am constrained to make against my will : there's a good fucking reason for tivoization.
mircea_popescu: the imbeciles.
asciilifeform: whipping also works.
asciilifeform: there used to be a population of quacks offering 'cheap, discrete' abortions with veterinary tools they somehow got hold of, & similar
asciilifeform: it is not the fault of the knife, no.
mircea_popescu: veterinary tools are not much worse for the job than what was found in a hospital cca 1970. the problem with obgyn is the hand not the tool.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: (which is what makes the jeremy irons horror film. when obgyn decides "women are monstrously malforned, need better tools", all other obgyns know he's insane.)
asciilifeform: point ( and i stole it from naggum, it is neither original to me nor to him ) is that most folx know better than to operate on their friends' internals
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but not THAT internal. most people consider themselves qualified to operate on that part.
asciilifeform: the interesting bit re the comp is the absence of anything corresponding to the actual medical profession
mircea_popescu: but nsa has been trying to build this forever.
mircea_popescu: it's one of its deadly sins, in republican accounting.
asciilifeform: was referring to 'medical profession' in the desirable 'people who actually use antiseptics and know how not to cut random arteries as they go' rather than 'caste of egomaniacal brahmins' american sense.
mircea_popescu: but this is a node further down the tree.
asciilifeform: how's that
mircea_popescu: certainly us doctors are as egomaniacal idiotic as all other usg-aryan groups, financial experts, lawyers, etc. however, they are not derelict in their actual work (unlike the financial dorks, but like the lawyhers)
asciilifeform: varies.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because that's how it goes, whether to have a caste at all comes before what kind shall it be.
asciilifeform: not every craft ends up creating a self-licking-icecreamcone guild
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose exceptions could be found. but take constructions (architects + actual builders). exceptions could there also be found, but THE OTHER WAY.
asciilifeform: ( though admittedly i do not know the conditions which determine when )
mircea_popescu: this is to my eyes a very substantial difference.
asciilifeform: hm.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/04/how-does-infant-car-seat-handle-in-blackzilla/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - “How does infant car seat handle in Blackzilla?”
asciilifeform: upstack : in case it wasn't obvious : it is possible to make ddr2 sdram controller , nic, etc.
asciilifeform: ice40 series tops out at 250Mhz iirc, so it'd be a modest thing. but working.
asciilifeform: ( and that's the global clock net max, rather than 'hey i can make a pentium pro'. LUT delay is 10ns+ iirc )
asciilifeform: you ~can~ make a i386. or a m68k. mips. 'ivory'... etc
mircea_popescu: right, you can make a lisp machine.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: 1 that runs on 'aa' battery.
asciilifeform: ( lattice co.'s whole niche is micropower fpga )
mircea_popescu: would be pretty funny, considering that's the one point the "supremely engineered" items were never really engineered for. power draw, weight, ecological considerations of that sort.
asciilifeform: if we're speaking of 1980s, no comp maker then engineered 'for power draw and ecology', it was a nonstarter
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: i'm not faulting them for it ; but the matter remains. 100kg and 5KW/h for the battery-powered fpga ? aww!
asciilifeform: as for weight, original bolix was doublefridge size. the 3620 (what i have here) was paraded when debuted by the ceo hand carried on a stage in front of audience, 'only 100 pounds!'
mircea_popescu: almost ready to go into "briefcase".
mircea_popescu: "man should be able to drag 50kg from car to elevators"
asciilifeform: eventually they shrunk ~whole thing down to 1 die ( + crapple mac 'quadra' for support ) and bankrupted to dead in the process.
asciilifeform: *to death
asciilifeform: because fab ain't cheap.
asciilifeform: ( they didn't own a fab, either, contracted )
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: last gasp was the emulator, on dec alpha ( forced choice, no other 64bit chip on the market then ) , ran at 3x speed of the best actual chip
asciilifeform: but toolate.
asciilifeform: then alpha died and curtain.
asciilifeform: re energy -- my 3620 drew ~600 W.
asciilifeform: ( slightly less than double of what the comp i am sitting on now, eats )
asciilifeform: console another 150.
asciilifeform: ( pretty close to what my lcd wall eats actually )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in arm7 planet, https://getchip.com/pages/chippro
asciilifeform: ( pogolike, though no sata or wired nic, <20bux in 'infinite' qty )
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/xb1If << in other olds. dataflow crackpotteries.
mircea_popescu: aand in other mini-news, <li>#trilema <a href=http://btcbase.org/log/>l</a><a href=http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema>o</a><a href=http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today>g</a><a href=http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-08-04.log.html>s</a>.</li>.
lobbes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TGHNG/?raw=true << Even though I closed my account ages ago, still get Buttbase emails. Just received his lovely gem of SFYL lulz
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wassat
mircea_popescu: the logs links on trilema sidebar. so far they all still fit, somehiw
mircea_popescu: lobbes no, the january 1st is top kek.
mircea_popescu: these dorks evaporated in two days, and the cavalry is coming in january ? all of the "investors" and "Speculators" and "Experts" in bitcoin crash will have long moved on, most of them through multiple different "new big thing".
lobbes: Ohey, mircea_popescu you should switch the logs.minigame.bz link to "http://logs.minigame.bz/latest.log.html"; currently is set to the static page of 8-4-2017
lobbes: I.e. the "<a href=http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-08-04.log.html>s</a>.</li>."
mircea_popescu: a kk
mircea_popescu: yea
mircea_popescu: done
ben_vulpes: you'll want it to be .html too :P
ben_vulpes: !!up edivad
deedbot: edivad voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: edivad: what kind of system are you building trb on that shipped without `patch`?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes huh ?
mircea_popescu: o damn. ty.
shinohai: 23:53:31 --> http_GK1wmSU (~deep-book@129.232.221.173) has joined #chainstate << now he's following you ben_vulpes xD
ben_vulpes: yeah i been watching
lobbes: ben_vulpes: you'll want it to be .html too :P << Related phun phact: plaintext versions of static #eulora log pages are available by lopping off the ".html" e.g.  "http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-08-01.log.html" >> "http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-08-01.log"
ben_vulpes: lobbes: neato
mircea_popescu: a nice.
ben_vulpes: in other old lady state news, girl who texted guy to kill himself got 15 months in the pen
ben_vulpes: manslaughter, dontchaknow
trinque: shoulda said he "raped her". she'd have her own youtube channel by now, or w/e the kids do.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> edivad: what kind of system are you building trb on that shipped without `patch`? << this is the same thing I said.
mod6: (He asked in PM)
mod6: Haven't heard back yet, but instructed to install whatever package contains `patch` and proceed from there.
mod6: I did run into this once before with someone else, can't remember whom. But yeah, some default install of $linux that doesn't come with anything.
asciilifeform: mod6: typically rathead variants
asciilifeform: ( 'why should we ship dev tool! we're a binary turd, microshit by other name' )
ben_vulpes: trinque: hue
ben_vulpes: !!up edivad
deedbot: edivad voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ( 'why should we ship dev tool! we're a binary turd, microshit by other name' ) << this
mod6: edivad: did you get it resolved?
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform took the chance made by the death of ssd in 'zoolag' to attempt netbsd. result : no boot. ( with or without 'no acpi' ) option, hangs at usb init.
mod6: sad
asciilifeform: fuck x86 with red hot poker.
ben_vulpes: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/04/us/10-sickened-kansas-city-irs-suspicious-package.html
asciilifeform: cure on the netbsd forums is 'turn off usb3'. twist : CANNOT be disabled on the box in question
asciilifeform: ( because bios from malicious tards. how about linuxbios ? no can do, because intel. )
asciilifeform: https://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/2013/11/11/msg023663.html << 2013! and before anyone asks, the proposed fix dun work.
asciilifeform: but HEY AT LEAST IT RUNS ON DREAMCAST AND TOASTERS
asciilifeform: ( and in fact it ran on my pogo. but that doesn't produce a usable trb node. )
mod6: lel
asciilifeform: i dun even pin this on the netbsd people, they are the dangling corpse in the relationship with wintel
asciilifeform: infuriating idiocy. apparently it won't run on any. x86. box. with. usb3. at. all.
asciilifeform: because the shitware iron does not in fact follow anything resembling a spec. it follows a liquishit that would take up five walls of book if ever put to paper -- which it won't be -- and co-developed with winblowz shitware driver, which ~runs, and rathead shitware 'open' sores driver, which runs, and naught ever else.
asciilifeform: usb3, that is.
mod6: yeah that sucks
asciilifeform: looks like we're down to exactly 1 ~working os, folx...
asciilifeform: i'll point out that this was the fiddybux 'celeron' box that beat the living shit out of $maxint dulap : strictly on account of having ssd
asciilifeform: old disk in zoolag was with centos.
asciilifeform: i want centos out of my house.
asciilifeform: but dun have time to spend 2 wks making a gentoo box...
asciilifeform: motherfucker. i dun even USE usb3 for anything.
mod6: yeah, takes some time to setup. well worth it in the end... just takes some time.
asciilifeform: mod6: i elementarily don't have the time.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in music from less rotten worlds, http://joshuawise.com/vax/vaxstationii.mp3 .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kODAQ/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694018 << kids dunno how to work the ropes of herdemocracy.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 19:31 trinque: shoulda said he "raped her". she'd have her own youtube channel by now, or w/e the kids do.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694035 << doesn't sound like much of a box. yank usb3 controller off board i guess ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 21:11 asciilifeform: ( because bios from malicious tards. how about linuxbios ? no can do, because intel. )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694049 << cuntoo being the evident and correct solution, rather than the constant two weeks.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 21:20 asciilifeform: but dun have time to spend 2 wks making a gentoo box...
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/caligula/ << Trilema - Caligula
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694057 << it's an all-in-one
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 22:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694035 << doesn't sound like much of a box. yank usb3 controller off board i guess ?
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: no bios and must run usb3 seems to disqualify the hardware, not netbsd, though.
asciilifeform: and this is true of pretty much any box that makes decent trb node (i.e. has sata3 + ssd )
asciilifeform: more recent boxes have no usb2 at all...
asciilifeform: possibly one could try building a netbsd that doesn't try to touch the usb chip at all. then enjoy setting up sans keyboard.
asciilifeform: ( nic dun go -- then wat. )
mircea_popescu: im not sure what you're saying.
asciilifeform: btw in case this wasn't clear, this was zoolag , which did 2+ yrs of 24/7 trb.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: netbsd attempt hangs that box at usb chip init.
mircea_popescu: because the box is broken.
asciilifeform: show where to get sata3 fanless box cum gbE with no usb3 ?
asciilifeform: i'll buy dozen...
mircea_popescu: but this does not fix the bot.
mircea_popescu: box*
asciilifeform: realize, i dun have the iron i have because i found it on he sidewalk.
asciilifeform: *the
mircea_popescu: none of this cogently argues "netbsd is bad".
asciilifeform: not so 'bad' as 'murdered'
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: ( was my meaning in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694040 )
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 21:13 asciilifeform: i dun even pin this on the netbsd people, they are the dangling corpse in the relationship with wintel
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc the g-series amds went into fanless embeds. pretty sure they take s3 ?
asciilifeform: not afaik
asciilifeform: ( they clock it down to sata2 )
asciilifeform: also problem is the soldered down ram.
mircea_popescu: here, asrock QC5000-ITX/PH. multiple s3, and pretty sure it goes into fanless arangement.,
asciilifeform puts on iron list
mircea_popescu: there's also stuff from biostar, zotac, ecs which imo sucks, and so on.
mircea_popescu: but basically FT amd's will fit into your purpose here.
asciilifeform: that's a 'kabini'
asciilifeform: usb3 on fucking cpu die
asciilifeform: afaik they're all kabini or the next, ditto
asciilifeform: ( apparently i have one here ..! )
mircea_popescu: yes, but i expect you can turn it off with a proper bios ?
mircea_popescu: i thought the problem was the intel bios lock + the inept usb3 combo, rather than the simple presence of usb3 ?
asciilifeform: possibly, i'ma try it on this here one i've nailed to a plank
mircea_popescu has never specifically done zoolag, is stuck guessing from higher up.
asciilifeform: it was a fist-sized 'gigabyte' fanless celeron thing.
mircea_popescu: well, conceivably can be replaced with same gigabyte celeron ?
asciilifeform: it dun need replacement per se, was dead disk. i took the downtime as chance to try netbsd on same iron, when new disk came. iirc i explained this upstack.
mircea_popescu: ah ah right.
asciilifeform: it was running a vintage centos prev.
mircea_popescu: right. so basically time exposed a broken box you had in your basement. happens to me all teh time.
asciilifeform: brokenbydesign aha
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: the troubling bit is that even if trick works with kabini, that might be the last.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: and it's out of print even nao.
asciilifeform: ( recall, current amd is locked into pantsuitbios )
asciilifeform: extra infuriating detail -- i dun specifically need x86 for this , trb runs ok on arm. BUT all extant arms have soldered down (and insufficient) ram.
asciilifeform: ( incl. pogo )
mircea_popescu: perhaps easier to approach than usb3 ablation.
asciilifeform: there is no fundamental reason for this.
asciilifeform: trb in 256M ain't happening.
asciilifeform: not without rewrite.
asciilifeform: sorta what all of my findings from beginning to nao, sum to.
mircea_popescu: there';s no fundamental reason trb needs more than about 5mb or so of ram ; but this aside : gotta find a way to put your own ram in the damned arm boxes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only way the latter happens is new board from 0
mircea_popescu: board is no such a huge deal. for one thing they're all farmed out anyway, and most parts are off the shelf ; for the other -- how the fuck are you gonna cut off the on-chip nasty.
asciilifeform: ever take close look at board with sdram ? needs equal paths ( the wiggling lines you see are called 'meanders' )
asciilifeform: ah i thought implication was 'mod the board'
mircea_popescu: nah. easier to make new board for pogo than to make new cpu for zoolag.
asciilifeform: but yes it is possible to design arm box with sockets
mircea_popescu: and ~possibly~ easier than to sanely rewrite trb
asciilifeform: if you could source an arm
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform move the pogo cpu ? lol.
asciilifeform: which to date i have found impossible in human qties
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever reball a bga?
mircea_popescu: personally ? no lol.
asciilifeform: anyway above contemplation is a year+ of sweat and all you get at the end is a very expensive arm.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: 'i want a glass of beer' 'here is some sand, a plot of land..'
mircea_popescu: moderate your expectations!
asciilifeform: well i have. currently, by expecting 1 fewer trb testbed..
asciilifeform: would rather moderate some other
mircea_popescu: in other news, kichizo ishida's severed penis disappeared from teh tokyo uni medical school museum at some point.
asciilifeform: whossat
mircea_popescu: major japanese sex/fun scandal pre ww2, lifetime whore from whore fambly cut off dude's penis and went around with it inserted for a few days.
mircea_popescu: !~google sada abe
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Sada Abe - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sada_Abe>; Sada Abe | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers: <http://murderpedia.org/female.A/a/abe-sada.htm>; Smiling Sada Abe - FamousPictures.org: <http://www.famouspictures.org/smiling-sada-abe/>
mircea_popescu: as there's no natural nails for the "feminist" hysteria to hang its plurious hats from, generally any salient features of the environment will be co-opted. which is the story here as it is with every other mentally ill / imbecile heroine of the nonsense.
mircea_popescu: in other somewhat-lulz, https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6rjzqz/two_biggest_bitcoin_subs_according_to_their/
lobbes: asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/xaKiz/?raw=true
mircea_popescu is watching "der ewige jude". holy shit it's bad. who the fuck came up with the notion "propaganda works" anyway ?
mircea_popescu: upon examination seems more in the vein of "gifts for sex works". sure it works. in the sense of "if she was going to fuck you anyway, then totally".
shinohai: https://github.com/Bitcoin-ABC/bitcoin-abc/issues/66 <<< Apparently, one can have Negative balance in "Bitcoin ABC"
mircea_popescu: is this good for crash coin ?
mircea_popescu: !$ssh 190.73.104.55
mircea_popescu: mmm. well known ssh/http proxy, at that.
mircea_popescu: and in other humble living news, a pound of frozen maraschino cherries, a coupla bananas, a dozen or two shots of prime rum, milk and ice qs blend into a rather pleasant cocktail
mircea_popescu: about a harem's worth, +-.

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