(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: doesn't mean it dun exist somewhere.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: once you've turned off frag reassembly in os, if yer on a link where can't even carry 576 (where? if discovered one, plox to write in) will simply resemble dead connection.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: per pest conception, you wanna be able to ensure unfraggedness even if pesting from moving truck and wardriving, which precludes 'clever' path mtu discovery etc
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: empirically found that often enuff much larger packets will arrive w/out fragging. but the only 'guaranteed' unfragged mass planetwide seems to be 576 (incl. all headers)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-22#1047824
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: regarding seeing mp "for what he was", the machine was the thing worth building in my mind, not worshipping the loudest guy present.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: not always benefit, lol
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: fwiw verisimilitude could've taught mp a coupla things re how to solipsist, lol
(asciilifeform) phf: verisimilitude: no offense, but i have no idea why you're part of this conversation :)
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: your head voices told you I was talking about money.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'money aint fungible' is the mega-'discovery' there. as mp found out when realized he couldn't even send a wire anymoar
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: how much modding it takes , typically ? (how many turds does verisimilitude pick up on a typical day?)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: anyways, ok forum, approx on par w/ early 2000s slashdot. and not spammed to death. how not -- nfi, perhaps verisimilitude knows
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: sure
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform not yet encountered this shangri-la verisimilitude spoke of, where anonymous toilet somehow ~not~ packed to the gunwales with liquishit in which impossible to discern anyffin interesting even if were intent on trying
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: as described above, this scheme doesn't require an apriori dictionary
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: already nothing stops folx from archiving w/ e.g. lzw, and carrying the dictionary. but iirc you want a standard one. i.e. to procrust language into an lzw dict.
(asciilifeform) phf: but can your compu-ter recite pushkin, monsegnor verisimilitude?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: there's an ukr joak, 'one ukr -- is a fine fella. two ukrs -- best buds. three ukrs -- is a partizan brigade with a traitor'
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: Also, phf, obsessing over this has led me to a neat style of programming.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: are you familiar with most successful 20th c conlang ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ( surely verisimilitude had sumthing moar interesting in mind )
(asciilifeform) phf: verisimilitude: but do you understand how lz77 family works?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ( why btw do we need symphony orchestras if have midi synth , surprised that verisimilitude not asked this mega-q )
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: While but a toy, look at The only prototype. for some basic ideas.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: why substitute concepts and propose that to speak nonstandard word is equiv to 'buffer overflow' ..?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: still waiting to hear a plausible explanation for wai in yer scheme the dict won't look like jp unicode (what with over9000 hieroglyphs that were 'somebody's family name')
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: nobody demanded taht verisimilitude 'give up' lol
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: what do you get outta pretending that the cost of the scheme is 0 ?
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-25 22:16:35 verisimilitude: I'll just reveal mine answer now.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-25 13:26:38 verisimilitude: Consider the problem of searching from one point to another, forwards or backwards, for the first word beginning with some specified letters. Let me know when to share my solution.
(asciilifeform) phf: verisimilitude: there's a class of compression algorithms called dictionary coders. you compress by building a dictionary of sequences that are then referenced from the compressed part. a variation pre-builds a static dictionary by compressing a bunch of reference material, and then reuse the static dictionary on new data from same class
(asciilifeform) phf: verisimilitude: would it be much different than running a bible through inflate, then pre-sharing the dictionary?
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: The only prototype uses a toy constructed language, but that's better than nothing.
(asciilifeform) phf: verisimilitude: i've read it before, it's a cool scifi story without code. seems like something straightforward to hack in lisp and then wire into your emacs irc client to demo it. or produce a handful of texts using elison prototypes?
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: Care to comment on Elision, phf?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it's worth to remember that to actually make otp live up to shannon's proof of 'unbreakable' takes mechanisms that aint avail. to typical redditard. (and, not unimportantly, meticulousness that is even less avail. to him)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: can think of over9000 methods, which consume varyings qtys of pad, but generally not hard
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: There's also the matter of verifying the message. I still like my method.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'mail' dunhaveto mean usps. can be diplo pouch or inside yer shoe etc
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: while somebody keeps lights on, yes
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in the end yes
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: less breakage, fewer ex--..
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: tbf we still dun know ( verisimilitude holds cards close to chest ) how verisimilitude dodges moloch draft so well
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: this aint what phf was discussing tho. was re folx w/ ~actual~ closed loops, amish, raskolniks, etc
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: afaik most 'furry' aint proper zoophiles tho
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: furries have own farms, banks, etc. ??
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-07-24 13:12:54 asciilifeform: for the l0gz, will preserve this lul : (some vermin, in response to verisimilitude's 'tried ada') : 'this is just larping though, I suspect most activities that you do can be glued together with a bunch of shell scripts, with roughly as much reliability requirements.'
(asciilifeform) adlai: verisimilitude: the link describes what seem to me a rather diverse range of phenomena. would you include, for example, the process generating an IRC log under this umbrella?
(asciilifeform) mats: goofy eugenicism with black flavors, ufos and stuff, verisimilitude would love it
(asciilifeform) adlai: verisimilitude: define 'egregore' please?
(asciilifeform) adlai: verisimilitude: badly; I've actually not added to it in about a year. I have accumulated typewritten pages recently, and at some point will need to setup some flow for scanning what I want to edit on a computer.
(asciilifeform) adlai: verisimilitude: well, that would've probably remained a more conventional situation
(asciilifeform) PeterL: verisimilitude: sure you can
(asciilifeform) PeterL: verisimilitude: did you write your own IRC client too?
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-06 21:51:22 verisimilitude: Expect it to be refined and published within the month.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: lol doubt there's life insurance for animals
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: verisimilitude: I would like to read Petronius in the original. Maybe the Metamorphoses.
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: verisimilitude: hard to sum up succinctly but Greek is quite elegant and the experience was very rewarding. Thoroughly enjoyable to read even snippets of Aristotle or Xenophon in the original.
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: verisimilitude: I already learned greek. Can't get up the energy to do Latin too.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 15:27:14 verisimilitude: It's funny how ``the world's most valuable technology companies'' must never face any consequences for being bested by children. No, but the children themselves should suffer for it.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 15:23:26 verisimilitude: ``There is a terrifying and highly effective "method" that criminal hackers are now using to harvest sensitive customer data from Internet service providers, phone companies and social media firms. It involves compromising email accounts and websites tied to police departments and government agencies, and then sending unauthorized demands for subscriber data while claiming the information being requested can't wait for a court orde
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 15:24:59 verisimilitude: So, the limit is 435 characters.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: not quite literally 'prompt'. simply, in actual practice people typically want to know that the nuke is connected, moar often than want to finally pop it
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: we're talking about a 'red/black' separator in iron, where 0 secrets travel in/outta 1 of the jacks, tho
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: loses 100% of the point
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: asciilifeform proposed similar item many yrs ago, 'coupla kB of asm that'd throw signed packets from 1 nic into other'
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: this'd be a mighty fine item, if it could reliably act as a point-to-point connection with peers.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: dies silently (i.e. nuffin in logs re e.g. thermals, etc) ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: what's missing ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: was pushed as 'lappy w/ open schematics', 'blobless boot', etc. and asciilifeform bought under the notion that he could get rk-gentoo goin' on it
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: how often yer emacs crashes / freezes ?
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-26 20:22:18 verisimilitude: No, I stopped masturbating often because it was bad for my wrists.
(asciilifeform) PeterL: verisimilitude: I didn't want to be the one to ask, but I am curious: what sort of wacky position are you using that it hurts your wrists?
(asciilifeform) signpost: wherein we find verisimilitude lives in a rural town in tibet, learned english by reading /pol/
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: dialup ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: hardware -- represented by scheme proggy (compiled to gatelist on tapeout)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: for that matter, verisimilitude's experience recently w/ the unix ip stack oughta have taught sumthing
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: or did verisimilitude sleep through the gui thrds etc
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the suitable ~low~ level is absent.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-26 18:57:30 verisimilitude: I've seen a few retards lately arguing that orthogonal persistance is bad, because then they can restart the machine to ``fix'' an error.
(asciilifeform) mangol: verisimilitude: why?
(asciilifeform) signpost: we're going to be nuked by a harry potter fan, verisimilitude.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-26 22:51:40 verisimilitude: It's nice to see most white people worth more than $100 million thanks to his policies.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: there's over9000 'unix is great, shuddup terrorist' threads on lolcombinator. iirc there was just about errytime somebody liked to asciilifeform's pieces
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-26 18:57:30 verisimilitude: I've seen a few retards lately arguing that orthogonal persistance is bad, because then they can restart the machine to ``fix'' an error.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: a++
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-26 19:37:53 verisimilitude: Apparently, the author is a teenager.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-26 19:35:03 verisimilitude: This is interesting: https://fultonsramblings.substack.com/p/why-we-need-lisp-machines
(asciilifeform) signpost: christ almighty, altruism from verisimilitude.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-26 18:57:30 verisimilitude: I've seen a few retards lately arguing that orthogonal persistance is bad, because then they can restart the machine to ``fix'' an error.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-14 13:43:52 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: academitards ~never share working src. because typically there aint one (if there's anyffin resembling a proggy -- it's a pile of rigged demo bullshit which shits out the charts that go into the paper liquishit, rarely anyffin moar)
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: There was a time in my life during which I considered taking depression pills. Fortunately, I was too lazy.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: largely used in cheapo signaling, 'shuddup terrorist, or live in the company of 'martians did 911''
(asciilifeform) bitbot: Logged on 2022-03-25 19:11:15 verisimilitude: ``MicroSoft says we need the fourth booster pack. They know programmers.''
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: if were up to reich, taking a shit would be a 'regulated endeavour'. fortunately 'hands too short'
(asciilifeform) mangol: verisimilitude: soon "put the microchip under your skin". at least 1 swedish company already openly boasting about it
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: see also however. (vaccines per se -- quite vintage tech.)
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-25 13:53:26 mats: it'd be more honest to do the verisimilitude thing, where you openly first admit you want society to burn (and i am on that train)
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-25#1088569 I won't have mine empathy hijacked.
(asciilifeform) mats: it'd be more honest to do the verisimilitude thing, where you openly first admit you want society to burn (and i am on that train)
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-25 01:37:08 verisimilitude: What are the Solomon Islands?
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-24 22:19:38 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-24#1088152 Do away with using a text editor for programming entirely.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-24 18:21:12 verisimilitude: I'm continually forced by practicality to write more basic versions of my systems first, crtdaydreams.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-24 14:43:01 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-24#1087996 https://babylonbee.com/news/putin-receives-nobel-prize-in-medicine-for-ending-covid-pandemic/
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: coupla wk-old meme in ru space, 'putin cured covid'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: well there's 'off by over9000' failures-to-terminate, lol
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: variant where slaves 'too cheap to meter'(tm) and no longer seen as a capital good, to be maintained, but churned through auschwitz-style
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 20th c slavery is moar analogous to sparta's helotry, tho
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: subj -- the supposed separation of 'biz' and 'military' world in current-day reich
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: copyrasty is a reich-and-its-satrapies phenomenon. like the 'greenback'.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the point apparently lost on many is that its size is outcome of a natural process. 'demand small gov' is like to demand that rats be small. in steppe -- small; in dumpster behind mcshitburger joint -- dog-sized; simply function of feed base avail.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-24 13:21:30 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-24#1087868 I've watched enough Chinese die due to a lack of government regulation to make me thankful for the big bad government getting in the way of those sweet and pure corporations and businessmen.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-24 13:00:31 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: elaborate?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: elaborate?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: they also believe that 'jizzus luvvs us' and all kindsa strange w/ very little connection to anyffin in observable reality
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-24 12:35:47 verisimilitude: I don't think a nuclear reactor is being used for too many separate purposes.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: wouldn't it make moar sense to talk about 'most people can't handle' a thing that they've actually ~had~ at some pt and been observed to fail to handle ?
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-16 18:51:21 verisimilitude: What's a nuclear submarine, signpost?
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-23 15:19:35 verisimilitude: Getting it right the first time never occurs to them, but they'll get the update mechanism right the first time, ostensibly.
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: and if not, the update mechanism for the update mechanism surely.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: observe, verisimilitude , that rms is no longer 'nuisance' to anyone.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: he had 'the talk' and agreed to (something), then again nominally 'head', yes
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: iirc was evicted from the closed in mit where lived. and dethroned from fsf.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: well then he'd already have to pick strawberries
(asciilifeform) mangol: verisimilitude: "closed form" approx. = convergence?
(asciilifeform) mangol: verisimilitude: Does a free swap turn a stack into a traditional register set?
(asciilifeform) mangol: verisimilitude: sex dumps on tape. sex tapes.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-22 16:50:07 asciilifeform: for that matter, verisimilitude's proggies for his emulated micro, as i understand, are in similar style
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-12-31 14:24:36 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: yarvin was evidently trying to emulate various 'giants of industry' in picking up public materials, giving'em a coat of paint, and then claiming 'inventions'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: for that matter, verisimilitude's proggies for his emulated micro, as i understand, are in similar style
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: perhaps oughta elaborate. in context, 'make sense when objdumped' meaning, a la e.g. 'm', weighing next to nuffin and invoking no external libs
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-28 14:43:20 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: moar interesting is the 'big pic' -- the current war in fact started from 4th crusade, and continues episodically in form of various 'drang nach osten' by impoverished western eureichs, who will not give up dream of 'lebensraum' and delish phree minerals from 'unfairly squatted by orcs' 1/6th of planet3
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it's 1 of the moar famous memecats at that
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: nobody's begrudging you yer lolcats
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-21 16:09:01 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: show 1 of these 'good things' ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: said somewhere that was ?
(asciilifeform) signpost: not saying verisimilitude likes shitting-dick-nipples hentai, but I wouldn't judge!
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: I can see value in an anonymous hopper for e.g. leaks
(asciilifeform) signpost: holy shit, verisimilitude is Q
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: show 1 of these 'good things' ?
(asciilifeform) signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-20#1086317 << verisimilitude this is where you lose the opportunity to make a worthwhile point by leaving the substance inside your head.
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: hey, they do it with bridges and buildings.
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: actually the editor I described was written as sql tables.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-20#1086402 The idea remains vague compared to tabular programming, as I mention, but an AST is insufficient. The AST for a C language program is still a C language program.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-20 14:56:57 verisimilitude: It disgusts me that equality, addition, multiplication, and select others are so privileged so as to be given slots in the character sets, whereas other notations aren't made so omnipresent and innate. The decimal digits are included in this disgust; such things shouldn't be embedded into foundations.''
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: the 2nd link worx. ty verisimilitude
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: what kinda work are you willing to do ? worth putting in log imho
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: consider interesting fate of k. zuse -- who built a working comp for the last reich, in his mother's kitchen. 0 uptake, eventually smashed by british bomb and that was it
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: By the by, I don't discuss it much, because I know it doesn't interest those here much, but the MMC does exist and does work. I'm made at least a little work towards my goals.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: how's it matter precisely how one drives the rx/tx of the 'bare' ? seems to asciilifeform that http'd work just as readily as irc currently worx for the local end of chat
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform suspects that verisimilitude is dead set on emulating the legendary death of archimedes -- while forgetting that the latter in fact had built a # of working items outta avail. parts prior to losing his head
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-20 17:58:56 verisimilitude: HTTP over Pest makes no goddamn sense.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: joak needs to run on heads other than author's to work
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: elaborate ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the 1st casualty of any kinda respectable collapse(tm) is the leisure to read the books (or net etc)
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-18 14:29:04 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: ham radio has various strange traditions of 'discuss only x,y,z', so perhaps not best model here
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: verisimilitude: not sure. thus far no questions for clarification.
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: verisimilitude: not sure what you mean. I envision a built in local http server that loads pages fetched via lubyism
(asciilifeform) mangol: verisimilitude: have you seen Simonyi's presentations about the stuff his startup Intentional Software was building?
(asciilifeform) mangol: verisimilitude: Common Lisp is a triumph of lispers who worked especially well with others. As is Emacs, as was Symbolics
(asciilifeform) mangol: and with increasing frequency of the artisanal developer tantrums verisimilitude linked for us, some kind of signing/trust system wouldn't hurt
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-19 21:10:05 verisimilitude: https://myfox8.com/news/north-carolina/high-point/its-apparently-easy-to-bypass-a-gas-pump-and-steal-400-gallons-or-more/
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-19 21:10:25 verisimilitude: It's so reassuring that society is going to collapse because, while hardware must work, whatever some dipshits throw together is fine for the software.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-19 16:09:27 verisimilitude: Does the Ada runtime properly handle select delay statements, even with a blocking system call; do I need to test this myself?
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-19 14:15:05 verisimilitude: So what's the deal with discrete logarithms of elliptic curves?
(asciilifeform) Apocalyptic: verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-19#1085891 << what do you mean ?
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: had no more constructive thumps on the head than from that guy.
(asciilifeform) crtdaydreams: verisimilitude: kek
(asciilifeform) crtdaydreams: verisimilitude: better?
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: by weight, by trying to use it as an amplifier for conceits rather than mechanism to remove them.
(asciilifeform) crtdaydreams: wb verisimilitude
(asciilifeform) signpost now imagining verisimilitude in the seinfeld pirate shirt
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: verisimilitude: do you use pirate talk at restaurants?
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: yeah, "It's what I've done."
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: Oh, on the topic of language, consider reading this. I need to update it, but it's fine.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-01 12:09:14 verisimilitude: My favourite Reddit quote is ``I was raped by my wife's boyfriend.''; it's perfect.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-16 18:46:35 verisimilitude: That really helped them during the Opium Wars, asciilifeform.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-28 14:43:20 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: moar interesting is the 'big pic' -- the current war in fact started from 4th crusade, and continues episodically in form of various 'drang nach osten' by impoverished western eureichs, who will not give up dream of 'lebensraum' and delish phree minerals from 'unfairly squatted by orcs' 1/6th of planet3
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the various 'graphical os' also aint actually programmably graphical, hilariously
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-17 14:44:23 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: difficult to object to this, asciilifeform a++ in favour of over9000x moar of this behaviour, what else could possibly stand a chance of curing ru, cn, et al from reich shitware
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-18 17:23:43 verisimilitude: This is getting increasingly silly.
(asciilifeform) crtdaydreams: ever tried vim bindings verisimilitude?
(asciilifeform) crtdaydreams: verisimilitude: not asciilifeform, but I did try nvim for a while. It's more of a coad editor than vi/vim with more programming oriented features and plugins.
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: go ahead with the joke
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-17 22:38:51 verisimilitude: Do we agree with the perspective of every country seemingly being in major disarray?
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: voting doesn't look like it works for anyone.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-17 21:44:44 verisimilitude: It's nice to see Russia and Ukraine agree on valuing women more highly than men.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-17 21:24:24 verisimilitude: It's really tiring seeing people act as if communists, with their higher kill count, be better than national socialists, just because they had different intents. It's a meme.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: tw is a usg muppet, stopped even before formally ordered
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: spoiler: the 'pay people (chicken change) to birth' thing didn't work
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: initially 'peace', then was handed new script.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: supposedly! and, for over9000x moar laffs, famous standup comic, who played role of... accidental president. and who then ran for presidency on a 'peace' ticket
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-17 14:58:34 verisimilitude: A workable iterim solution is to write portable programs that can easily be moved to anything else.
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: gonna need more question than "what" bub
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: doin' dope 'correctly' is as much a skill as e.g. running a table saw or flying a 'cessna'
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: "When you get the message, hang up the phone." - Alan Watts
(asciilifeform) mangol: verisimilitude: that's exactly why i've increasingly moved toward standardization
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: portability aint sufficient tho
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: a++
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: well yes. using shitware per se needs to become over9000x moar painful. so from asciilifeform's pov a liquishit lib that suddenly 'rm -rf /' is a win.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: difficult to object to this, asciilifeform a++ in favour of over9000x moar of this behaviour, what else could possibly stand a chance of curing ru, cn, et al from reich shitware
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: what's diff b/w 'generate machinecoad' and 'building' ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: quite. e.g. 'M' fit in <13 and emulates an entire machine arch
(asciilifeform) jonsykkel: a bit outside my wheelhouse verisimilitude, not sure what a whitakers words is but make sure u hire shinohai and mangol for marketing ur new app, they got the talent
(asciilifeform) shinohai: "verisimilitudes.net .... giving birth to great content since xxxx"
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform can't be the only 1 who learned of the existence of these 'standard' icons from verisimilitude's thrd
(asciilifeform) shinohai: I made an ad for verisimilitude 's website, think it'll draw in the HN crowd? http://btc.info.gf/uploads/verisimilitudes.png
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 18:08:08 verisimilitude: In brief, some JavaScript pro hipster dipshit is upset his code primarily useful to corporations is being used by them without any payment.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-05-02 15:14:12 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: if you read asciilifeform's adaisms will find that asciilifeform's variant of 'move beyond' was rather 'in' than 'out'. i.e. 'the better ada is a strict subset of standard one'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: all new things built by 'extremists', verisimilitude
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: will say, the desire for a solution to this dead end was core to my involement in tmsr.
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: right now I'm sitting on a coffee shop deck, and there's a "wild" rabbit sitting not 3ft from me.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: at some pt will rip through the even paperier houses in asciilifeform's shithole, what of it
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: USA's utter lack of a traditional culture can't be denied.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: lol just about erry plastic widget on yer desk, is a lethal cn weapon.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: national humiliations have a kind of 'maxwell's daemon' effect on folx.
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: the pretense that CN can only steal "white man's" weapons is going to get white man killed
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: current-day cn in fact 'celebrates' a 'national humiliation day'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it arguably ~generated~ by -- not least -- the opium wars.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: what do the lizards supply to cn that it can't do without ? green toilet paper?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: what's it dependent on ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: afaik not
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: yeah, it's constructed to get you to say "I would of *course* save the side with more voters!"
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: the lack of weights assigned to the people involved is certainly a problem. supposes human fungibility as a given.
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: I worked under a gent once upon a time who espoused the same data fundamentalism.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-16 14:46:33 verisimilitude: I've several answers, but will finish reading first, so let us discuss this in a few hours, mangol.
(asciilifeform) mangol: verisimilitude: i read your essay but i can't quite parse what is the extra ingredient on top of TOP
(asciilifeform) mangol: verisimilitude: to a useful approximation, CL is CLOS, and CLOS is generic functions (i.e. method-oriented OOP)
(asciilifeform) mangol: verisimilitude: in my experience, people who arrive at this sentiment flock around Scheme and ML a lot
(asciilifeform) mangol: verisimilitude: "The programming style I champion most is done easily in most any language." --> a common sentiment among good programmers
(asciilifeform) mangol: verisimilitude: re: Ada, APL, CL -- sounds like you're the language connoisseur of the channel
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude is correct I believe, certain forms around the tail call, or lack of optimization flags thwart tail-call optimization in sbcl
(asciilifeform) signpost: verisimilitude: been a pet hunch of mine that english is a barrier to machine inference over language because it's syntactic goop.
(asciilifeform) mangol: signpost: (and why not verisimilitude and others): what languages do you use currently for hobby projects?
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-16 06:31:41 mangol: re: Elision, my first impression is it sounds like a project which would have the same strengths and weaknesses as [Cyc][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyc]
(asciilifeform) mangol: re: Elision, my first impression is it sounds like a project which would have the same strengths and weaknesses as [Cyc][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyc]