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vex: I gots to know
vex: tell me the story i'll give you the next foal from my stockhorse arab
vex: not a reall guarantee
vex: she's too tall; you might crack your head
vex: 37s & 18s
vex: trucks to hrses
vex: we might get asciilifeform on a horse yet
vex: see pete dushenski at balenciaga show. mebbe you wanna see ferrari win @ monarco
vex: shits getting cooler
mats: stfu
vex: tru dat
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-09 13:33:48 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-09#1094556 << the 'movements', near as can tell, sum to 'brownian' motion. observe e.g. 'occupy'(tm) wankage flicked off like a lamp when the organizers achieved their actual aim, of being given minor academi-mandarinates
mats: so many white radicals from that era came out unscathed, unlike their black counterparts, and became celebrities and professors like bernadine dohrn and bill ayers
mats: what frightened the right was fundamentally the same thing that the left found a fetish
mats: funny how history rhymes sometimes
mats: ayers helped launch obama's career with a fundraiser many years later
mats: meanwhile, a photograph of obama and farrakhan was suppressed for more than a decade, made the papers a few years ago https://web.archive.org/web/20220312102003/https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/09/us/louis-farrakhan-facts-history.html
mangol: it's reasonable to suspect that any substantial movement in the US is astroturfed. or if not, infiltrated at some point (probably quite early)
mangol: any radical movement attracts chumps they can use as press fodder (print FUD about "zomg extremists")
mangol: a problem for reich is that the chumps tend not to be violent enough, so harder to print FUD
mangol: justice for j6 "rally" is an obvious example from last year
mangol: today, BLM is a similar money+fame racket as you describe
mangol: basically usg has been doing stuff like this for the last century; no grassroots movement will put a dent in it
cgra still tuned in and breathing, while not sure what was meant here. possibly a confusion of someone/somewhere?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-09 14:02:19 asciilifeform: ^ possibly we're down to 1 finn
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-09 15:30:10 mangol: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-09#1094635 << yes
cgra: anyway, hojo hojo mangol
cgra: been lately trying to revive a youth grappling hobby, for physical exercise (to balance office-like activity), and personal enjoyment
cgra: asciilifeform: also been in the process of grasping what it means for trb being completely at the mercy of the middle-man as it currently is. only apparent cure being the wot integration. currently thinking that banning some peers, keeping a list of anothers, is therefore not an extremely important aspect, if a middle-man could fuck you up anytime anyway: like distort all messages from your peers so that they end up all being banned.
cgra: and perhaps this means that you could just have a relatively small list of recorded peer addresses and/or banned addresses, and not lose much, compared to current mechanisms
cgra: while instead, gain a predictable bound or two
cgra: jonsykkel: fwiw, i was impressed by your welcome =)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-17 12:38:45 jonsykkel: tervetuloa mangol, tää on pastirol päivä
cgra: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-09#1094664 << may also find interesting (like i do) a band performing using heavy eastern finnish dialect (savo) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocHbfpzjDE4 :D
asciilifeform: wb cgra !
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1094976 << asciilifeform experimented with 'wot integration' for trb but abandoned, largely for the elementary reason that new blox inescapably come from 'wild'
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 08:15:59 cgra: asciilifeform: also been in the process of grasping what it means for trb being completely at the mercy of the middle-man as it currently is. only apparent cure being the wot integration. currently thinking that banning some peers, keeping a list of anothers, is therefore not an extremely important aspect, if a middle-man could fuck you up anytime anyway: like distort all messages from your peers so that they end up all being banned.
cgra: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1094984 << was thinking of trb with a pest interface in addition to the traditional one. so if you're plugged shut on the traditional front, can still communicate with your friends, assuming have enough friends not all of them being similarly plugged shut at the same time
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 09:39:08 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1094976 << asciilifeform experimented with 'wot integration' for trb but abandoned, largely for the elementary reason that new blox inescapably come from 'wild'
asciilifeform: cgra: would depend on what means 'plugged shut' neh. atm w/ wedge bugs, the world-facing noad (and sumbody has to have'em, or no blox) can be wedged
cgra: asciilifeform: by 'plugged shut' i mean, even if all the known trb oom disease was cured, there's still a middle-man who can fake incoming messages to whatever he feels like, such as invalid, ban-inducing blocks, and cause trb to ban each and every traditional peer
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-10#1094941 << i had a sepsis. as far as mp and best ambulance, de mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-10 23:37:52 vex: phf, i'm just drunk enough to ask what your medical condition was. what made mp think he had the best ambulance?
mangol: cgra: morjens! 2 finns, what are the odds? lotto vetamaan. (apparently i can't type umlauts in my shell)
asciilifeform: phf: i recall, skiing wound
asciilifeform: cgra: right, there's no concept of 'authentic peer' or peer identity at all in traditional trb
asciilifeform: cgra: however, if yer in a hole where all yer connections are mitm'd, the objective imho is to get outta the hole . i.e. 'plug the funnel at correct end'
mangol: [one ex usg insider's opinion][https://www.unz.com/pescobar/sit-back-and-watch-europe-commit-suicide/] of the main thrust behind the ukr offensive (pun intended):
asciilifeform: mangol: [link][text] plz
mangol: one ex usg insider's opinion of the main thrust behind the ukr offensive (pun intended):
mangol: "the whole Ukraine issue is over hypersonic missiles that can reach Moscow in less than four minutes. The US wants them there, in Poland, Romania, Baltic States, Sweden, Finland. This is in direct violation of the agreements in 1991 that NATO will not expand in Eastern Europe. The US does not have hypersonic missiles now but should – in a year or two. This is an existential threat to Russia. So
mangol: they had to go into the Ukraine to stop this. Next will be Poland and Romania where launchers have been built in Romania and are being built in Poland."
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-28 14:43:20 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: moar interesting is the 'big pic' -- the current war in fact started from 4th crusade, and continues episodically in form of various 'drang nach osten' by impoverished western eureichs, who will not give up dream of 'lebensraum' and delish phree minerals from 'unfairly squatted by orcs' 1/6th of planet3
asciilifeform: issue aint re latest new rocket in particular.
mangol: the quote was about ru's motivation to go into ukr, not usg's
mangol: for usg, eastward expansion has probably been a goal since forever, but lacked the means
asciilifeform: mangol: in re the bigger picture. and not simply 'east expansion', but that reich rather obv. cannot survive 1) without continuing to get ru fuels & other minerals for ~phree 2) the continued existence of an alt-civilization
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-07 16:29:30 asciilifeform: lizards are terrified that there'll be 'where to defect to'. even in longest possible term pov.
mangol: also acute right now, usg is economically ruined
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-28 14:45:04 asciilifeform: at one pt, reich installed mole (gorby) and 'won', and feasted on the delish minerals + sawed-up su industrial base & manpower for all of '90s
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-07 13:43:08 asciilifeform: ru demographic loss in '90s exceeded ww2 losses by solid margin. (and this not even counting the seceded territories)
mangol: so this is looking like a hail mary attempt to get into ru again before us collapses internally
asciilifeform: greatest existential threat to reich is the existence of an 'outside'. historically, and today.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-08 13:19:03 asciilifeform: likely 100% sincere. 'there's reich and, outside its walls, there's barbarism' etc
asciilifeform: 'outside' is tolerated traditionally for so long as remains strictly a place to steal/buy 'for glass beads' minerals, exploit dirt-cheap labour, film picturesque carnage, etc
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-24 12:00:33 asciilifeform: signpost: the 'controlled chaos' reich.strategy aint any kinda seekrit.
asciilifeform: where they can afford -- set up continuing bloodbath (iraq, syria, ukristan, even mexico); where cannot -- blockade
asciilifeform: mangol: ukrowank was originally aimed to start in '14. but putin succeeded in keeping 'on ice' for 8y, buying time to conduct a hurried (and limitedly successful) 'deiphonization' (get off addiction to 'swift', 'visa', give eureich time to strange its fission plants, etc)
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-03-12 asciilifeform: 'The guest post from Renée last week appeared on this blog because Huffington Post refused to run it. And now I hear that no comment linking the new Ukrainian government to the neo-Nazis or the neo-Nazis to the mass murder in Kiev can get through on any news site. It seems like there is an actual news blackout on this message.'
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-08 16:52:46 asciilifeform: signpost: difficult to interpret the '14--present provocations ('let's shell coupla mil folx 24/7') in any other light
asciilifeform: *strangle its
mangol: asciilifeform: 'deiphonization' = the current 'special operation' or started earlier?
asciilifeform: mangol: '14
asciilifeform: ( see above. in '14 ru still relied on over9000 foreign services for basic function )
mangol: ah, deiphonization in ru itself
mangol: how can reich stay afloat if the us and eu economies stay on the current downward spiral?
mangol: and general competence
asciilifeform: mangol: current angle seems to be 'let's eat eu to run usa for anuther decade'
mangol: yeah. the column from which i pulled the missile quote concluded the same
asciilifeform: eu being a set of usa satrapies since '45, this is not proving difficult
mangol: "front row seat" right here. our leaders eagerly lap up everything us sends our way
asciilifeform: reich seems to have made this decision rather long time ago, e.g. in '16 turned it into dump ground for 'refugees' etc
mangol: us itself now following suit with the refugees
mangol: a decade is about the time in which the oldest lizards will die
mangol: are they really not planning further than that?
asciilifeform not infiltrated lizard hq, has nfi. but these by all appearances aint folx with long-term plans.
mangol: the thing that bugs me is that say what we will of us competence, a lot of their plays seem to work really well
mangol: how's it possible for people who can design and execute stuff like that to be so blinded by greed?
mangol: i reckon many of them have kids
mangol: who will live longer than 10y
asciilifeform: from pov of arbitrarily narrow top of pyramid, reich worx a++ bugfree
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-14 14:13:44 asciilifeform: from the pov of the perps -- for whom 'function' is 'keep the yachts afloat' -- never been healthier
asciilifeform: while can find whom to eat.
mangol: "even the biggest dung heap has a top on which someone can stand"?
asciilifeform: is how it worked since e.g. 'east india co', aint in any sense new scheme.
mangol: "the empire on which the sun never sets" version 2.0
mangol: so if the top 50 lizards can get more yachts for themselves and their kids, they'll happily sacrifice the next top 500 lizards
mangol: i recall a couple years back many in the tech ceo tier went on a bunker buying spree
asciilifeform: mangol: near as can tell, is largely about sustaining old appetites in spite of shrinking resource base, rather than 'moar yacht' per se
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-27 10:49:47 asciilifeform: PeterL: both come from same root -- lizards' desire to keep their yachts, palaces, and cocaine despite a collapsing support base. i.e. same thing that happened in e.g. argentina. (or 1700s fr. for that matter. and plenty of other places.)
mangol: what was threatening their current lifestyle? you'd think the top 500 lizards are utterly immune to shrinking resources society-wide
mangol: unless they fuck up their own society on their own initiative
mangol: the noob's eye view of the whole circus is the elite pissing on their own cereal for no particular reason
asciilifeform: mangol: the (take arbitrarily) '500' aint autonomous, require over9000 levels of pyramid to run.
mangol: the general trend seems to be squeezing the bottom of the pyramid to push more of the resources to the top
asciilifeform: post-medieval 'merchant' nobility was sustainable only in context of expanding resource base. in shrinking/stagnant resource base, the old (hereditary nobility, serfs, etc) system is the stable one. so currently reich activity all with aim to reorg into the latter.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-06-08 11:27:33 asciilifeform: to give concrete example -- non-debased currency and freedom of commerce; but also somehow at same time feudal-style hereditary nobility. ignoring the historical fact that the former , on planet3, nailed the latter
asciilifeform: while maintaining pretenses, where possible
mangol: so the 'aspirational 15%' want to become merchant nobility, but the elite wants to turn them into batteries
asciilifeform: so, 1 obv. example, in usa the traditional 'carrots' of 'middle class' increasingly turning into myth/legend
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-24 11:32:00 asciilifeform: the cancellation of middle class in the reich that mats was cheering for is moar or less the abandonment of the 'carrot', lizards appear to think 'stick' will suffice 4evah
mangol: i.e. "the death of the american dream" in mass media
mangol: need one hell of a stick
mangol: are they betting on machines to do all the work?
asciilifeform: past 'dead' and progressing into 'if you so much as mention it, yer a racist/terrorist/putler stooge'
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-07 18:55:28 asciilifeform: characteristically, and in line w/ historical norm, the angriest folx aint the 'how do i make rent' but the 'grandfather had a farm, father had a house, i have 200k$ 'college' debt' people
mangol: so environmentalism / great reset / etc. is one of the major preparations for this
asciilifeform: mangol: mno. work -- for slaves. a la e.g. brazil. category to eventually include ~erryone.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-07-09 asciilifeform: i wonder if any of them ever encountered phrase 'load shedding'
asciilifeform: and yes, lizards make apparently no secret of aim of 'great reset'(tm), 'you'll own nothing and be happy'(tm)(r)
mangol: yeah, fun to see the powerpoint presentations
mangol: but they can't make everyone slave away for them indefinitely without escalating the physical violence
asciilifeform: for so long as said violence sums to 0 -- sure, can, wainot
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-09 13:48:28 asciilifeform: mangol: imho obv. to anyone whose 'third eye' is even half-open, that reich cultivates 'lumpenization', promotes degeneracy, and actively curates 'movements' which sum to 'break coupla windows, steal coupla tvs, then go home and od on dope', neutralizing the 'active' and terrorizing the 'passive'
mangol: current violence is at BLM levels at home, color revolution levels abroad
asciilifeform: 100% curated.
mangol: i still fail to see how this scam won't reach a saturation point
asciilifeform: mangol: how do you picture 'saturation point' ?
mangol: people have had enough; life is too miserable for too many, lies too transparent
asciilifeform: then wat ?
mangol: counter-violence
mangol: muppet heads on stakes
asciilifeform: mangol: familiar w/ history of peasant uprisings in europe ?
signpost: what makes you think a mechanized military that can establish a green zone in baghdad will have any problem keeping antifa out of dc?
mangol: current trend is that the 'peasant' class will encompass virtually everybody
asciilifeform: it's about the structural invariants, rather the wunderwaffen. pyramidal order worked a++ even when both 'sides' were armed with entirely similar sharp sticks.
asciilifeform: (it aint about the fact that atm 1 has stealth bomber and other pistol, no)
signpost: yep, peasantry here gets their food from walmart, not their own field.
asciilifeform: *rather than
mangol: isn't technology the only way to arbitrarily grow the % of people who are slaves?
signpost: plenty of redneck larping about how they might, in retirement, grow a tomato vine or two.
signpost: later, you know.
mangol: lol
asciilifeform: w/ monsanto fertilizer, herbicide, plowed with john deere tractor, etc
asciilifeform: mangol: 'all slaves' is the historic norm, rather than requiring mega-tech.
asciilifeform: expanding resource base briefly gave departure from norm.
mangol: do you envision taking tech away from plebs as one main pillar of going back?
asciilifeform: selective taking.
signpost: why take the iphone, for example.
asciilifeform: keep the tracking collar; lose the suburban house, mercedes, etc
signpost: tracking collar, permissioned payment device, etc
mangol: so only artistocrats having tech is like only aristocrats having weapons
mangol: force multiplier that lets them rule
asciilifeform: who rations resources (definitionally) rules
mangol: would be fun to see what kind of propaganda is used to introduce the idea that going outside without a collar is lame
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 15:30:15 asciilifeform: really is an effect of industrialization, which is centralizing; result can be stalin, hitler, or fdr-flavoured, but otherwise very similar, there is no such thing as 'multiple elites' in a civilization in long term
mangol: where collar = implant, most likely
asciilifeform: mangol: no 'implant' simply from reich strategy of 'soft', i.e. deceptive, mutilation, rather than straight force
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-25 15:18:30 asciilifeform: current reich is based on model of 'cheaper to guard the concentration camp if the inmates can be persuaded that they aint in one' ;
asciilifeform: inmates queue up enthusiastically to buy tracking collar.
asciilifeform: and wear proudly
asciilifeform: and for most part, so well-behaved that aint even particularly interesting to track'em
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-26 08:35:00 mangol: i.e. not secretive "defense contractors" but something hip and convenient sold to the public like an apple watch
mangol: "I think the computer has from the beginning been a fundamentally conservative force. It has made possible the saving of institutions pretty much as they were, which otherwise might have had to be changed. For example, banking. Superficially, it looks as if banking has been revolutionized by the computer. But only very superficially. Consider that, say 20, 25 years ago, the banks were faced with the
mangol: fact that the population was growing at a very rapid rate, many more checks would be written than before, and so on. Their response was to bring in the computer."
asciilifeform: while the only marketable feature of implant remains 'difficult for victim to remove', will remain a niche thing ( e.g. asciilifeform's late cat had one )
mangol: the swedish startup spun it as a vaccine passport
asciilifeform: mangol: weizenbaum was entirely correct, banking as currently seen in reich could have complexity-collapsed, resulting in reversion to historic practice. electro-banking -- gave it reprieve
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-14 20:07:52 asciilifeform: i.e. you go to yer l1 hawaladar.
asciilifeform: mangol: consider why regular passport not implanted yet.
verisimilitude: It's easier for an agent to have a fake passport?
asciilifeform: for instance.
mangol: asciilifeform: i expect the "killer app" for an implant to be making payments and/or opening door locks, if we're going with what's convenient
asciilifeform: there's a large chunk of reich system which relies on 'unprincipled exceptions'
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-11 08:30:30 asciilifeform: cgra: nobody's in fact abolishing cash, it's an 'unprincipled exception' quite necessary for the reich to function, and attempts to phase it out give similar result to hruschev's idiocy
verisimilitude: I ran into an issue with computerized banking lately.
mangol: ... or some kind of public health or airport security style "it's for your own good", if they're going the FUD route
verisimilitude: I can buy a $500 dictionary set with no question, but when I purchase a few too many $1 songs at the same time, the debit card got locked, because that touched upon a heuristic method for detecting fraud.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: happens all the time. go to diff. petrol station than usual, locked, etc
verisimilitude: As this happened at night, I was unable to receive a call, so I got a letter in the mail.
verisimilitude: Fortunately, I only use the debit card in situations where I be unable to use anything else. I never use it when cash is possible.
mangol: asciilifeform: can't the unprincipled exceptions be applied by the people who check the ID?
verisimilitude: Some months, my server rental is the only charge.
mangol: or gov't looking the other way when the right people carry hacked / modded ID
verisimilitude: That's too complicated, mangol.
asciilifeform: mangol: this requires ground-level people 'in on the scam'
mangol: how's a modded or flashed chip different from a fake passport?
asciilifeform: note that 'implanted keys' is a pretty great way to convert theft into kidnapping/murder/vivisection (depending on exact design of the key) , likely cools enthusiasm
mangol: lizards fearing for own safety?
asciilifeform: sublizards
mangol: what's the threshold for lizardry
asciilifeform: fwiw in asciilifeform's cosmography, a sublizard is a 'human' who directly executes orders from lizard, while exposed to 'humans' in daily context
asciilifeform: the creation of this caste was, arguably, result of 1917
mangol: so lizard is someone too high up the food chain to have blood on his hands
asciilifeform: high enuff that 'no one' knows name, face, or (most) even willing to ack that he exists.
asciilifeform: from this pov, a face that appears on a podium, tv, fishwrap -- does not belong to a lizard.
asciilifeform: the faces which do so appear -- changed 'like gloves' regularly
mangol: sure - the gloves on which the blood
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-09 22:23:38 asciilifeform: mats: at this pt the logs span 2 sets of nominally opposite sets of washingtoni muppets. notice any serious change, visible to naked eye, in how reich operates , over this time ?
mangol: even noam chomsky noticed that the two US parties have indistinguishable policies, over long enough timescale
verisimilitude: They distinguish in meaningless ways.
verisimilitude: Faggotry now, or in a few years.
verisimilitude: Gun restrictions now, or in a few years.
verisimilitude: But notice, mangol, funding for Israel now, and also in a few years.
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095113 << I've an eink dumbphone with physical kill-switch arriving today, will post a review after a while.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 14:14:18 mangol: would be fun to see what kind of propaganda is used to introduce the idea that going outside without a collar is lame
asciilifeform: mangol: generally a plebe who attempts to discover (how?) concretes re identity of lizards, at best ends in a designated glue trap, similar to the kind erry bio lab in the world has for escaped mice.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-25 12:38:16 asciilifeform: mangol: reich stratagem is to set up a perceived dichotomy where yer either 'with the program' or out in 'the lonesome deep space', outside the city walls, in company of 'martians did 9-11', etc. illiterates/schizos
asciilifeform: signpost: been looking for 'dumb' pnoje which supports whitelists for many yrs. do post if found.
asciilifeform: ( pnoje which can't whitelist is imho rather useless, unless you can use 'like binladen' and not need to recv calls at all )
asciilifeform: coupla early 2000s models did, but today nonfunctional in asciilifeform's shithole, on acct of '2g' and '3g' cancellation
signpost: so in principle oughta be able to mod to liking, but will let y'all know how easy it is to rebuild/reflash
asciilifeform: interesting
asciilifeform loox fwd to signpost's review
asciilifeform: brochure loox nifty.
phf: pure mudila
phf: asciilifeform: there's dumbphones with lte calling. i've been meaning to pick up one, but for now i just don't use a phone anymore
phf: actually i think that's one of two that are generally available at usg stores
bitbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 18:34:52 asciilifeform: the creation of this caste was, arguably, result of 1917
mangol: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095153 << the interface is very sensitive since there's so much power at stake. afaik the only known way to ensure trust is to have a hierarchy where you rise by taking on increasing (and increasingly compromising) responsibilities
bitbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 18:34:15 asciilifeform: fwiw in asciilifeform's cosmography, a sublizard is a 'human' who directly executes orders from lizard, while exposed to 'humans' in daily context
mangol: so someone like obama or gates rose as high up as you can rise from relatively humble beginnings
mangol: above them, a network of "handlers" (where tf do these come from?), then the puppet masters
mangol: as a thought experiment, i wonder if there's a also social status mechanism built into the brain that guards high-ups from remorse
mangol: humans are social climbers. normies think movie stars or obama are the highest status people on earth and calibrate accordingly.
mangol: the lizards were born on top of the world and have their own hierarchy where movie stardom is immaterial
mangol: once you climb to the gates level, the brain probably starts to instinctively follow that hierarchy (as far as it can grasp it)
mangol: so the whole concept of showing remorse toward people on the normie hierarchy starts to lose meaning
mats: most of the lte dumb phones i've seen are android kaios, except for this one https://www.amazon.com/Jethro-SC490-Unlocked-Compatible-Certified/dp/B08D71WXYN
mats: its android too, but not sure what exactly
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 15:10:14 phf: asciilifeform: there's dumbphones with lte calling. i've been meaning to pick up one, but for now i just don't use a phone anymore
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 14:41:40 asciilifeform: ( pnoje which can't whitelist is imho rather useless, unless you can use 'like binladen' and not need to recv calls at all )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 15:06:27 phf: pure mudila
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $39733.66
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-05 14:21:50 asciilifeform: ^ claimed '23e6 eur worth of btc confiscated' , i.e. ~546 btc then.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-05 23:11:12 phf: asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQkZzgXw_G8
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 08:22:07 cgra: jonsykkel: fwiw, i was impressed by your welcome =)
jonsykkel takes sip of pirkka päronmehu
jonsykkel: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-07-22#1837162 << im curious about this idea, wat does sending below noise floor mean? would think the transmission must raise some band of the noise floor by a litle bit for receiver to able able to see
dulapbot: (trilema) 2018-07-22 asciilifeform: basic idea, however buried under mountain of paper rubbish, is deadly simple : instead of periodic wave, you send shaped bursts of 'static' that cover entire $band ( ideally, below noise floor ); on other side, receiver has a correspondingly-shaped filter. pulse position encoding + luby etc. for receive.
jonsykkel: where "able able" == "be able"
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 14:40:06 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095113 << I've an eink dumbphone with physical kill-switch arriving today, will post a review after a while.
signpost: grunting out the list of kernel modules necessary to tether with it atm.
signpost: "I'm sad guys, and I don't even know how to handle the emotion."
signpost: imagine such a life that this, not the loss of a war, nor the starvation of a loved one, is the emotion impossible to handle.
signpost: verisimilitude: also stop reading HN; it's bad for you.
verisimilitude: Give me some other perch from which I may peer down and sneer at my lessers, then.
verisimilitude: I've learned from them, learned how pathetic some people can be, to be specific.
verisimilitude: On the topic of a phone whitelist, I recall finding it odd to hear of blacklisting functionality, but no corresponding whitelist functionality; they truly lack such?
shinohai: HN is like a reddit where everyone takes HRT and loves Rust.
verisimilitude: I occasionally find a what appears to be a genuine human on Hacker News; I invited one here lately, but he hasn't shown up.
verisimilitude: He seemed to know quite a bit about Project Xanadu.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 19:14:31 jonsykkel: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-07-22#1837162 << im curious about this idea, wat does sending below noise floor mean? would think the transmission must raise some band of the noise floor by a litle bit for receiver to able able to see
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-06-17 asciilifeform: idea of pll is that you can indeed see a lit match from mile away in daylight if you know 'exactly when to look'
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-06-17 asciilifeform: concept is usually taught in re radio but applies just as readily in optics -- say, the common infrared remote button
asciilifeform: and 'in some band' is very broad concept. yer vacuum cleaner transmits in same band.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-31 23:51:52 asciilifeform: yer transmitting right nao, when you flip yer light switch.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095226 << in asciilifeform's cosmography, litmus for 'genuine human' aint pediwikian.'knowledge' but 'doing things'
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 19:48:56 verisimilitude: He seemed to know quite a bit about Project Xanadu.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095220 << imho sinful, aha, encourages 'hey i'm not ~these~ morons, i'm 313337!11' thinking
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 19:27:08 signpost: verisimilitude: also stop reading HN; it's bad for you.
asciilifeform: 'if yer reading it, it's for you!'(tm)(r)(c)(tlp)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095223 << indeed. 'blacklist' often enuff can even have with simply telco-provided commands. 'whitelist' afaik only in 'smart' pnojes + a coupla early 2000s models
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 19:38:09 verisimilitude: On the topic of a phone whitelist, I recall finding it odd to hear of blacklisting functionality, but no corresponding whitelist functionality; they truly lack such?
asciilifeform: 'blacklist' is 100% worthless, all current-day spammers have access to inexhaustible supply of disposable #s.
asciilifeform: otoh whitelist makes for an actually-usable-with-ringer-enabled phone.
signpost: this has a do-not-disturb with "favorites" still permitted to buzz.
asciilifeform: is how e.g. ipnoje's whitelist worx
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095216 << hmm, it doesn't mount as usb disk or enumerate as 'cdc' modem for slip/ppp ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 19:23:53 signpost: grunting out the list of kernel modules necessary to tether with it atm.
phf: verisimilitude: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=NQzr here's a script for you. it'll dump hackernews/lobsters links into terminal, saving dupes. it also does direct connection, so if your dns maps hackernews/lobsters to 0.0.0.0 it will still dial no problem
phf: in before "i read it for the comments", in which case god help you
asciilifeform: phf: hm, in what is this?
signpost: asciilifeform: probably does; I run kernels with module loading off, and only modules actually needed, so currently shitting "default" modules back out, then will see what's in lsmod and build those in.
signpost hasn't tethered a phone in this manner from linux in a while, was using iPhone's wifi previously.
asciilifeform last dealt with subj in '15 huawei experiment. worked a++
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-08-18 ascii_field: (to date i have not been able to source any but huawei which does this)
asciilifeform: ( thing even exposed a pcm device for audio calls, and 'hayes modem' workalike /dev/ttyACMx for dialing. built a spamatron for lulz )
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-08-18 ascii_field: their usb dongles, at least the ones i tested, can even make/receive voice calls
asciilifeform: sadly rip (in asciilifeform's locale, at least), was '2g'-only (theoretically '3g', but only chinese band)
asciilifeform: never found a modern replacement that had the voice knob
phf: asciilifeform: it's Go. i'm not ashamed. i've replaced a lot of my python hacks with go
asciilifeform had bought several of the huaweis for 'what baud can get over compressed shitvoice on pnoje for hypothetical ciphered voice link' yrs ago
asciilifeform not tried
asciilifeform 1st thought 'tcl' lol
phf: it is yet another language. i suspect there's going to be at least 30 more before i die
verisimilitude: There's an RSS interface, phf.
asciilifeform: phf: right. not had occasion to use (it's a quite gnarly install, and so far not had to run anyffin in it)
asciilifeform: i dun have cobol on this box either lol
phf: verisimilitude: is it a firehose of all new links? i basically don't care, i'm just recreating the "check front page" experience, without having to touch the shit sites
verisimilitude: I believe there are multiple.
verisimilitude: This program wasn't written just for me, was it?
phf: verisimilitude: no, it's a recovery mutual support. first step is ...
verisimilitude: I'm glad time wasn't so callously wasted on me, then.
verisimilitude: I appreciate it, but don't need it, phf.
phf: verisimilitude: virgin official interface user VS chad front page scrapper
verisimilitude: I already have a nice RSS client.
verisimilitude: I don't use it, however, because I know Hacker News is a waste of time to make more efficient.
asciilifeform reminded of mp's 'meat searcher' perlism
phf: verisimilitude: oh, i understand how addiction works. you're welcome to come to the meetings whenever you're ready friend. one day at time!
signpost: this is why I got the dumbphone.
verisimilitude: I'm addicted to coffee, but not Hacker News.
signpost: way too easy to check prices of whatver, see what the latest doom is on zerohedge, etc.
verisimilitude: I don't own a phone.
phf: the perk of hikikomori lifestyle
verisimilitude: I realized years ago, a normal person used his phone more than I used even my laptops.
phf: i end up using phone whenever i travel, particularly to russia. banking, taxi, etc. all done with phones
verisimilitude: I've had some of my best ideas, because I was bored and waiting, and had to think like a human being instead of using a phone.
phf: signpost: parental controls! just disable everything you don't want to use through parental controls and get your wife to set the code. works great.
signpost: yeah, I'm gonna keep the glass rectangle, pop SIM in that for travel.
asciilifeform: in usa, hypothetically could buy e.g. trucks, cement, summon mexicans, w/out a phone. but tricky
signpost: phf: eh, I like the project of removing useless options I'm on.
signpost recently got a 100W JVC receiver that doesn't have bluetooth, doesn't have usb, doesn't have...
signpost: sounds great, plays my fucking records, has aux in. it was $100.
signpost: got an iPod next to it with 800gb of music.
asciilifeform was earlier today in shop where gramophone, 1921. w/ record. wound up, played. no aux in tho lol
signpost: haha, even more peaceful.
asciilifeform: 'volume control' was a set of wooden shutters
asciilifeform: (over the cabinet)
signpost: consider heidegger's "ready to hand" concept for tools. jesus christ, what a "smartphone" is.
phf: i've routed everything to the server at this point. i.e. music plays from a 10T freebsd backup
phf: projector in the living room likewise
signpost: yeah, got the mpd setup here too. but the iPod's nice for the stereo and vehicle.
phf: house planner aka mp-wp also
asciilifeform has a similar thingie for films etc. nfs mount on racked diskatron
asciilifeform: /mnt/warez heh
signpost: smartphone's some kind of horrible imposter tool which "but, didn't you want to saw instead of hammer? or perhaps watch videos of others sawing, or if not, videos of..."
phf: signpost: yeah i agree, girl bought me an ipod (the glass one) with 128G storage. she said she had a long back and forth with sales at apple store "you don't need so much space" "yes i do" "no you don't" etc.
asciilifeform: 'hey you wanted to saw? but maybe instead would like someone to shit in yer face?? maybe? sure that not?'
signpost: sanding my life down to a few specific-purpose tools, and gaining a lot of mental quiet.
phf: i mean all you need is a wrench, a skill saw and an m1 garand.
signpost: got a rusty mosin-nagant, does that count?
asciilifeform: '1 mosin for 3!'(tm)
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-31#1091384 I thought of this again. My first thought was ``He brags about the logotron for some reason.'' but ever since I read that, I've noticed absolutely nowhere else allows me to reference a past fragment so easily, sans WWW forums.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-31 19:50:35 asciilifeform: aaha, is interesting how ~nobody even has a reliably logged chat
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: observe that asciilifeform's wasn't 1st, or even 2nd logotron in the dynasty
verisimilitude: It's unsettling to notice how terrible other chats are.
asciilifeform in fact wrote it in coupla days when phf's broke while he was in hospital
verisimilitude: It would be like eating with a fork, and noticing no one else is.
verisimilitude: What are his health problems?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: fondness for skiing lol
asciilifeform: ( at least wasn't hand-gliding eh )
verisimilitude: Alright.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2019-08-26 phf: well, i slipped at some point and landed badly into a kind of brush covered fallen tree stump
phf: some damage that one might shrug off while one is young or in peak health ought not to be ignored so freely when one comes of age or is in otherwise compromised state :o
asciilifeform not expected to still use that logotron in '22, lol
asciilifeform: various folx helped to make it moar or less tolerable, tho, so, still in service.
asciilifeform: !q uptime
dulapbot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 299d 22h 19m
asciilifeform: bot also worx ^ ok
asciilifeform wrote bot in same coupla d.
asciilifeform: bot virtually unchanged since orig. release
asciilifeform: there simply aint much to it
verisimilitude: I've ``deployed'' one sh program, my Gopher server, and I recall seeing in its logs line noise trying to break it. I thought so: ``Haha, they're trying to break this like some shitty sh program. Oh wait.''
phf: i probably should've rewritten the bot from cl-irc to raw afer i moved to sbcl, because i could never get it to be particularly reliable
asciilifeform: iirc signpost did rebake his similarly
asciilifeform: !!uptime
verisimilitude: I solved the insanity issue by writing it as a pipeline that never lets the data into a variable; even then, I learned xargs and others interpret some characters specially, and had to correct it.
verisimilitude: That's my program I expected to replace years ago.
asciilifeform: it's a 'turing tarpit'.
asciilifeform: ( not to mention, ~errybody's 'sh' is actually bash-only )
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-03-09 20:55:31 asciilifeform: ftr i'm not entirely satisfied w/ the shell-around-peh gpg verifier -- was unable to make it run on generic 'sh' rather than 'bash', and by all indications impossible (raw 'sh' dun seem to support arrays at all)
asciilifeform: sh, perlism, pythonism, 'must die'(tm) imho.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-17 13:41:46 asciilifeform: mangol: what's imho needed is a fully 'autarkik' scripting lang, which sucks in 0 shitlibs and runs, like 'M', on any extant pc iron under all linuxen from past ~15y
verisimilitude: I agree. The entire process is deciding whether a construct will maim the user or not in specific cases.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: general symptomology of ill-designed softs -- 'bus with 4 brake pedals'
verisimilitude: The logs only mention ``unicorn'' four times, and only once in the context of a mythical animal; we should discuss them more often.
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095246 << came up as emulated usb ethernet device once I enabled the correct modules. (cdc and usb gadget-related)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 20:12:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095216 << hmm, it doesn't mount as usb disk or enumerate as 'cdc' modem for slip/ppp ?
signpost: thanks for pointing me at "cdc".
signpost: getting 2-3mbps through the thing with a crappy signal where I sit, entirely livable.
signpost: avg 58ms ping
asciilifeform: signpost: ~same bw as old pnoje ?
asciilifeform: signpost: if relying on pnojeistic connection for stationary net, asciilifeform recs to get dedicated gsm-to-ethernet pump. mine -- old 'cradlepoint', worx a++
asciilifeform: thing eats 2 simcards even, knows how to fallback
asciilifeform: ( and unlike just about any recent pnoje, has coax jacks for roof antennae )
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