mircea_popescu: i read that as you proposing random third party to be the root for the discussion somehow.
phf: they might be relying on gtk/kde password input boxes to do the right thing
phf: since applications (and that includes window managers) tend to send around lots of different messages as the focus is traveling around your window hierarchy, i wouldn't be surprised if gtk/qt does a very specific grab when you put a cursor inside your app's password box, and do a release whenever focus travels away
sina: Circle Medical is seeking an Ethereum hacker to build dApps for healthcare
mircea_popescu: momentarily read "the", was "wtf are these people smoking"
mircea_popescu: but obviously, they don't even know it's a matter of "the", smoking own cock as per usual with the ustards.
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a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 04:05 phf: since applications (and that includes window managers) tend to send around lots of different messages as the focus is traveling around your window hierarchy, i wouldn't be surprised if gtk/qt does a very specific grab when you put a cursor inside your app's password box, and do a release whenever focus travels away
sina: ratpoison created so people could code while high?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:48 phf: wayland "mitigates" keylogger issue by not fucking letting you start apps either as a remote user or ~even as a different user on same machine~
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:45 mircea_popescu: the cogent objection to x is that "design irrespective, something this fucking long can never be good." the redditard objection to x is "omaygerd, black chix code!"
mircea_popescu has notced people keep ranting on about "folders" which supposedly is how you say directory now, but w/e.
mircea_popescu: but consider eulora. it has a ... login desktop, which is not only shared between sessions, but users also! being the same
mircea_popescu: so if compiz or w/e has a similar thing ? dun have to run compiz.
mircea_popescu: no, if you change your username it is going to show trhe new one when you boot it next
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, girl forgot wireless mouse for laptop, was trying to use the mousepad. i, from meters away, was helping with the mouse.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 17:42 asciilifeform: (they bought the outfit i was in at the time, hilarious story for another time)
sina: tell us the story asciilifeform
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 00:32 asciilifeform: i also recommend that gpg4win henceforth be referred to as gpg4lose.
sina: alright, it's been a pleasure, going to get some sushi
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: ERROR: 'extra af' not defined on UrbanDictionary.
mircea_popescu: i always thought that's just gypsy swag. now you're telling me it's ukrainian ?!
mircea_popescu: i've yet to meet the british government NOT fond of going around naming things.
scriba: ssh banner of 89.203.135.138 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
scriba: ssh banner of 217.70.190.113 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
mircea_popescu: al schwartz is such a treasure of specific information.
mircea_popescu: obv, toxic if ingested. but that color was outright alien
mircea_popescu: ah dun have the paperwork here, but anyway, io tell you, that item would work great as artist installation. it's an otherwordly color
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point re fluorescents is more to see where than to see if, i bet.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> and great tits to you too, mod6 ! << and to you Sir!
mod6: this seems to make sense to me off the cuff.
mircea_popescu: mod6 if you manage to cut l to where it's 64 bits you save a loit
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 17:55 asciilifeform: immediate 'argh' because we set out to operate SOLELY with M-bit FFA.
mircea_popescu: larger bar to actual tmsr sovereignity to correspond to the ideological than, eg, the continued existence of the united states.
mircea_popescu: rsa is the fundamental basis of individual identity. tmsr is a republic of men. without proper rsa, it can not be properly said men exist.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 17:52 asciilifeform: ( (X0*Y0) << 2K ) + (((X0+X1)*(Y0+Y1) - X0*X1 - X1*Y1) << K) + X1*Y1 .
mod6: yeah, im about to write this one on my whiteboard here.
ben_vulpes: do forgive my ignorance, but why must rsa ops run in constant, worst-case time?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's not the point. the point is that the processor must never have an if(secretbit) then branch
mircea_popescu: this then reduces to the case where constant, space, time etc
mircea_popescu: whereas as alf aptly points out, the waywards of the world attempt to spit-fix this after the fact.
ben_vulpes: because those branches might spew secrets to the nic?
mircea_popescu: which, as i told sina, certainly fixes something : it makes it so that common people can't spy, but nsa still can.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes because then an outsider can and therefore will observe the black box behaviour differentials, thereby giving away the keys.
ben_vulpes: did not know the signal was that quiet
mod6: ok. so there looks to be a section on this in AoCP Vol 2. section 4.3.3. [ Section A ]
mod6: I guess, it doesn't cover karatsuba specifically, but gives some background perhaps for the uninitiated.
mod6: asciilifeform: can you explain what K is and why we need to shift by it?
deedbot: m0n0lake voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: b00blegum voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: is this like taking the low-order bits of X0*Y0 << 2*(WORD_SIZE), and (((X0+X1)*(Y0+Y1) - X0*Y0 - X1*Y1) << WORD_SIZE ?
shinohai: Epic logs I missed over past ~2 days .... especially phf's lecture this a.m.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but do the math for signal power used in eg FM radio, then figure what the satellite would have to send.
m0n0lake: i don't need no voice , thanks shinohai
shinohai: One of those Argentines mircea_popescu raves about I see.
mircea_popescu: mod6 you take a number of say 22 bits, and cut it in two 11 bit numbers. this 11 is the k. then you have first part * 2 ^ K (=11) + second part to get the original back
mircea_popescu: shifts are mults by powers of two in binary, basically.
mircea_popescu: trivially, 11 * 11 = 121, and also (10 + 1) * (10 + 1) = 10 * 10 + 2 * 10 * 1 + 1 * 1 = 121.
mircea_popescu: because obviously if we're cutting up 11, the first part will be 1 and the second part will be 1.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-16 23:07 lobbes: <mircea_popescu> use supybot carcass then << aye. 'tis what lobbesbot (and I think jhvh1) run on, sina
mod6: mircea_popescu: ok thanks.
mod6: i haven't groked it yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this was going to be my next line of inquiry. can the above discussed +1 bs be lost if we simply enforce a conveniently chosen size ?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 17:55 asciilifeform: immediate 'argh' because we set out to operate SOLELY with M-bit FFA.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> trivially, 11 * 11 = 121, and also (10 + 1) * (10 + 1) = 10 * 10 + 2 * 10 * 1 + 1 * 1 = 121. << what I can't figure out is where the part: + 2 comes from.
mod6: if i FOIL this thing (10 + 1)(10 + 1), i get: 10*10 + 10*1 + 1*10 + 1*1; 100 + 10 + 10 + 1 = 121. ooh, is see what you did there.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> if it weren't obvious, k = 16 << this seems to make sense
mircea_popescu: mod6 because (a + b) * (c + d) = a (c + d) + b (c +d) = ac + ad + bc + bd. now, in our case, we were doing 11 * 11 and so a = 10 AND c = 10, while b = 1 AND d = 1, and so if you replace you yahve 10 * 10 + 10 * 1 + 1 * 10 + 1 * 1. because 10 * 1 = 1 * 10 you can just write it down as 2 * 10 * 1.
mod6: mircea_popescu: yup, gotcha, that short hand threw me through a loop for a minute. lol.
mircea_popescu: mod6 the thing with these is always some little insignificant nook that gets caught
mod6: just was overthinking it .. thought maybe the '2' was a base reference or something
mircea_popescu: but yes alf is correct i did base 10 for convenience because most people don't have base 2 mult table loaded in head so dunno what 110 * 101 is
mod6: yeah, few examples i've seen of karatsuba all use base 10..
mod6: apparently this ends up being O(N^ln 3) or something
mircea_popescu: this is only relevant because machines do mults in like 18x the time they do adds.
mircea_popescu: if single - word mult is same as add, there's no benefit to not simply multing the parts.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i bought a can of coolant, it's FLUORESCENT GREEN << The dye is to tell you which of several incompatible types of coolant it is. Mixing GREEN and ORANGE coolant is a good way to introduce rust to one's engine block cooling passages.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> possibly the practice had spread to auto world << Coolant color coded with dye. Refrigerant available with optional dye for leak finding.
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> i bought a can of coolant, it's FLUORESCENT GREEN << he dye is to tell you which of several incompatible types of coolant it is. Mixing GREEN and ORANGE coolant is a good way to introduce rust to one's engine block cooling passages. << iirc, all vehicles pre-1995 or so used the green coolant.
mod6: post, most seem to now use this "dex-cool" stuff which is pink or orange. you are not supposed to mix them, no. and as bb says, can introduce rust into the water jacket of the block.
mod6: anyway, the wisdom seems to be, use what's described in the manual or even written on the radiator cap. fwiw, never open a radiator cap while engine is hot - contents under pressure.
mod6: (noshit.jpg) et. al.
mod6: im not sure why they switched to the new coolant. they always just said, "lasts longer, etc." but i wonder if it was really due to the proliferation of aluminum blocks.
mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for the hex example.
mircea_popescu: which brings the mixing : putting orange in green engine is bad. orange engine can run with green fine
mircea_popescu: shinohai cardboard car for looking at not for driving in the rain.
mod6: mircea_popescu: this is actually what a guy at auto store told me recently too; but other fellas have told me, "if you wanna be 100% sure you're not going to introduce any problems, just use what it says in the manual or on cap."
mod6: you fixin up the bmw?
mircea_popescu much rather buy used and then put these new at own shop than buy "certified" bla bla and have to put new ones anyway in coupla years
mircea_popescu: thing is, if chick's good at mechanics she should do it all day, and if not never.
mircea_popescu: that's kinda my objection with the whole "in my kitchen" outlook. if your kitchen makes stuff that's any good it should be a factory, and if not it should forget about it and just be a kitchen
mircea_popescu: hey, in theory no difference between sextoy's anterior and posterior openings. in practice she sometimes winces.
mircea_popescu: tho potty humour aside, i suspect the actual dispute is re the meaning of factory
mircea_popescu: sure, originally. what i had in mind above is that your idea of "serious kitchen" is probably my idea of factory but without any capital goods management.
mircea_popescu: if i buy coffee grindewr for kitchen, it is to work whenever the girls want coffee ground.
mircea_popescu: but if i buy coffee grinder for factory, it is to work at all times, and girls will change their schedule to keep it going, not it to accomodate them.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> im not sure why they switched to the new coolant. they always just said, "lasts longer, etc." but i wonder if it was really due to the proliferation of aluminum blocks. << Dex-cool is silicate free so gentler on Aluminum. Also something something organic/inorganic dopants differing between verde and naranja
mircea_popescu: which is why if my place costs 100 to rent and 80 to man, it will be open 24/7 and so it will cost 100 to rent and 240 to man.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> which brings the mixing : putting orange in green engine is bad. orange engine can run with green fine << Orange engine runs green fine, IF orange is drained out.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-30 13:58 asciilifeform: 'If I employ a gardener, I have to earn £3 for every £1 he can actually spend, because everything is taxed twice, first as my income, then as his.' << not only still true in today's reich, but today it'd be 10 : 1 .
BingoBoingo: Come on it's a standardized 30-45 minute task or your lawnmower is the wrong size
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's a whole day job. crazy angles en la loma.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: not if you let it go for ~year << That isn't mowing. That is harvesting hay. Hope the crop was dry.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform used to be local kids. but now local kids are too precious cuntlets to let out of deepfreeze
mircea_popescu: all my shit goes back to all my olther shit, it's crazy. i was just contemplating this earlier.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the funny bit is that the needed commercial arrangement 'i call on a saturday and it happens THIS MOTHERFUCKING HOUR while i'm out to dinner' is not available where i live << The is lawnmowing service since the exit of children is priced based on amoritization of mowing equipment
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the problem is excess of services amoratizing 10-50 kilodollar monsters and few amoratizing 21" machines
BingoBoingo: Mass of grass is fine. Where else do you get hay from?
BingoBoingo: And without grass roots how do you keep mud from washing away?
BingoBoingo: Spz you want to plant tomatoes? Now you need 2-cycle concrete saw and rotary hammer before you can even till!
mircea_popescu did some grass cutting, enjoyed being out with the trees
mircea_popescu: but yes, upstack : the ability to say "here, do this. ok, you'll be doing this from now on until further orders" is invaluable.
BingoBoingo: Maybe alf needs to mow with a more fun machine?
mircea_popescu: contrary to what undersexed young men may think, the prime utility of the harem also.
mircea_popescu: you can get laid at any bar. you can't ghet decent help anywhere
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has not read the story of hyenas and haggling i take it :D
mircea_popescu: homosexuality is natural. city hall -- height of perversion.
mircea_popescu: aha. this is why i did it in timisoara, flatland, and not here.
mircea_popescu: great for your back, and from experience as fast as the crapomachines
BingoBoingo: There's still reel mower as long as you can get traction on your turf
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's just a wide fenceline!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sounds like the solution to your problem would be bonzai grass.
BingoBoingo: clover's not so aggressive weeds can't grow through it and it is on the kill list of all the selective weed killers
mircea_popescu: thaty's the idea, it shades well so it dominates if installed properly. and it never grows over coupla inches.
BingoBoingo: It does do well for very dense patches, but hard to make a monoculture lawn out of it, because with the sligtest change in grade or soil, patch ends
BingoBoingo: And you get weird DMZ border area until next patch
sina: I looked again through asciilifeform bignum lib in Ada
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 21:33 shinohai: So apparently all one needs to destroy a US destroyer is container ship:
http://archive.is/4GbGw
sina: nothing further to report
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shinohai: That cannon could prolly take a a littoral combat ship
shinohai: If one day tmsr has a navy, must have slave-girls that shoot dildo torpedoes at enemies.
shinohai: If it improves morale (and distance)
shinohai was trying to find the reference to project Habakkuk determining that a single horsepower motor could keep a vessel made of pykrete refrigerated .....
sina: what a first link to click after exiting the shower
sina: I'm off gentlemen, have a fabulous week