feedbot: http://verisimilitudes.net/2020-08-15 << A Syndication of Verisimilitudes -- A Review of ``Toki Pona: The Language of Good'' by Sonja Lang
gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: Tether (USDT) is a Bitcoin-like currency supposedly pegged 1-1 to USD. widely used by online exchanges. market cap. of 10 bil. USD. however, there have been continual allegations of insecurity and fraud, but the trading public mostly turns a blind eye.
gregorynyssa: it semes to me that kiwi_58 was worried that a legal crack-down against USDT would harm the price of BTC.
shinohai: $vwap
btcinfobot: The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 11789.60 USD
shinohai: $uptime
btcinfobot: The bot has been up for: 1 days 15 hours 58 minutes and 7 seconds
trinque: gregorynyssa: sure, it was quite clear what food pellet he wanted.
shinohai: After kiwi stopped by yesterday I looked further into USDT, had no idea it had been moved to mETHereum token. In early days was an "OMNI token" on BTC.
trinque: shinohai: yeah, on subj, the death of everything that touches bitfinex has been coming for some time.
trinque: gregorynyssa: the point at which I tune out is when I offer an avenue of research, and the creature baws, gets strangely emotional, and repeats the simpleton question.
trinque: life is too short for any of that.
shinohai: Life is too short to invest time in shitcoins lol
shinohai: I never hodl any, quickly convert them to BTC proper on exchange and go about day.
shinohai: (I suppose if I had interest in playing the pump-and-dump game could do better, but simply sell for whatever going price is at time.)
shinohai: Anywho, in other scams this morning: https://iwantmyname.com/domains/dot-gay
trinque: > put your .gay to work, ahaha
trinque bbl
shinohai: .pedo wen?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-16#1019493 << i recall similar promisetronic scamolas from yrs ago. some even with nominal 'national' sponsorships. and with the expected endings.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-16 02:21:27 gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: Tether (USDT) is a Bitcoin-like currency supposedly pegged 1-1 to USD. widely used by online exchanges. market cap. of 10 bil. USD. however, there have been continual allegations of insecurity and fraud, but the trading public mostly turns a blind eye.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-16#1019494 << what i dunget is what means 'harm exch rate'. if tomorrow it's 100 instead of 11k, will you cry? why ?
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-16 02:25:46 gregorynyssa: it semes to me that kiwi_58 was worried that a legal crack-down against USDT would harm the price of BTC.
trinque: personally I'd probably buy 1000, but "once a cultist..."
asciilifeform: trinque: not even matter of faith, as such. if yer confident that whatever gaggle-of-shitcoins cannot in fact 'technologically obsolete' btc, then a sudden $1 btc exch rate is manna from heaven, rather than apocalypse, from yer pov
asciilifeform: as for the papercoin-holding speculator scum -- imho the sooner they get the fuck away from btc -- and stay thefuck out -- the better.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-05-05 19:59:44 asciilifeform: as a rule, they're entirely happy to buy promisecoin, so can 'leverage' and 'play'.
asciilifeform: btc aint interesting or useful 'because it costs 11k $ per'. any more than it was 'because it costs 100 $ per' in '13. but for entirely other reasons, which have 0 to do w/ the exch rates at any point.
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 12 nodes...
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.024s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=644031 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=644031
watchglass: 108.31.170.3:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.100s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=644031 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.105s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=643784
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.109s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=644031
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.085s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=644031
trinque: agreed on all points.
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.107s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=644031
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.241s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=644031
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.335s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=644031
watchglass: 188.121.168.69:8333 : (rev-188-121-168-69.radiolan.sk) Alive: (0.313s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=644031
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.649s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=644031
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 20 sec.) (Operator: jurov)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-16#1019507 << 'enola.gay' still avail.!1111
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-16 10:51:41 shinohai: Anywho, in other scams this morning: https://iwantmyname.com/domains/dot-gay
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-16#1019502 << the old #t logs have literally hundreds of these specimens in'em. astonishing to think how supposedly grown men can behave like bird -- 'please cluck with me to confirm the rubbish in my head' etc
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-16 10:47:08 trinque: gregorynyssa: the point at which I tune out is when I offer an avenue of research, and the creature baws, gets strangely emotional, and repeats the simpleton question.
shinohai: lol @ enola.gay
trinque: asciilifeform: I'm well convinced teaching discourse cannot be done via this medium.
asciilifeform: trinque: occasionally can, but req's a human on both ends of the line
asciilifeform: with chicken -- naturally cannot.
trinque: rather, bootstrapping discourse. can refine it if the participant is willing, sure
asciilifeform: 'people' who are firmly wedged into chickenlike flock behaviour mode aint teachable. even if somehow on surface 'willing'.
asciilifeform: !w probe 205.134.172.28
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.091s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=425500
asciilifeform: whaack: what patch set didja bake that noad with ?
trinque: asciilifeform: do you remember why we abandoned the "press everything that can be pressed" model for V, in favor of "press to head" ?
trinque: I'm looking back, and I pushed the manifest notion, but only because we had already settled on "press to head"
trinque: it isn't at all needed otherwise.
trinque: moreover I'm looking at what a v-tree of everything looks like, and the coordination overhead of one manifest for everyone is a bit much.
asciilifeform: trinque: 'press to head' was item mp insisted on. w/ support from eventually all of the v-using folx, incl. trinque and then asciilifeform ( iirc started w/ asciilifeform publishing 'shiva' patches that had interdeps. not 100% expressed in the v-structure. which was a coarse error of pilotage. manifestism makes it harder to commit, at the cost of slightly moar sweat. )
asciilifeform: ( for readers who aren't trinque , basic review : originally vtrees tended to look like e.g. this. whereas w/ 'manifest.txt' they can only diverge if the latter is diverged upon, e.g. like this. )
asciilifeform: also oughta note that asciilifeform's orig. vtron in fact had a bug where assumed there were no conflicting divergences in the patch flow
asciilifeform: (i.e. in fact choked if there were one)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-16#1019549 << the other problem, recall, is that prior to manifestism, there could be non-conflicting 'sibling' nodes on the flow graph.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-16 19:57:28 trinque: I'm looking back, and I pushed the manifest notion, but only because we had already settled on "press to head"
asciilifeform: e.g. at one time, if you wanted 'mod6_der_high_low_s' and 'malleus' together, had to either have the vtron support 'parallel' presses, or unify'em into 1 patch w/ both as antecedents (what ended up happening, 'makefiles')
asciilifeform: trinque: lemme know whether this answers the q, or sumthing still remains. ( recall that i've imported era1 logs, oughta be able to dig out the detailed chronology w/out much sweat)
snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-31 19:58:02 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, readerz! finally imported the ancient #ba logs into logger, and implemented correct link handling (i.e. these, as well as 'era 2' btcbase links, point to my logger when clicked.) plox to report bugs.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-16#1019551 << this in fact is tru; but to this day asciilifeform can't think of an alt. algo that'd actually guarantee consistency for all possible press points. (if trinque or anyone else can -- i'ma all ears.)
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-16 19:58:06 trinque: moreover I'm looking at what a v-tree of everything looks like, and the coordination overhead of one manifest for everyone is a bit much.
feedbot: http://mvdstandard.net/2020/08/ussa-second-lottery-after-not-enough-h1-b-applicants/ << The Montevideo Standard -- USSA: Second Lottery After Not Enough H1-B Applicants