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verisimilitude: So, what do ye think of my latest article?
vex: evryonethinksitgreat
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-01 12:15:47 dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-08 17:30:55 asciilifeform: all anonymity does is to destroy the very possibility of human relations.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-01 17:32:22 asciilifeform: observes that in not one instance did asciilifeform ever see a 'x programs competently, tho damaged person(tm)', dig in, and 'hm yes we could never do without x's $program'
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-01#1077667 I see little wrong with this, so long as I write the rules.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-01 18:00:09 signpost: my view is that there's a type of human that actively seeks out "the rules", lives to enforce them upon self and others.
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-01#1077700 All of these can be problems simultaneously, asciilifeform.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-01 18:15:13 asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform's cosmography re subj.
verisimilitude: RISC-V is a stupid cult of masturbating academics who think spending ten years on the description of a shitty toy instruction set is anything resembling a reasonable action; it's naught, but stupidity.
verisimilitude: All of RISC is a cult.
vex: what time is it worm?
scoopbot: New article on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: Intelligent Idiots
signpost: verisimilitude: you don't, evidently.
signpost: but yes, these wish "you" did, on some level.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1077956 << i dun follow your syllogism, verisimilitude . 'some not worth having' ergo 'none are' ??
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 00:22:51 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-01#1077588 Plenty of relationships aren't worth having.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1077964 << the academitards are only half of the orchestra, the 'useful idiots'; they aint the prime mover there. the latter -- ic vendors salivating at the chance to slip in various vendorlockisms and [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-01#1077720][sell '486'-level performance at
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 00:29:41 verisimilitude: RISC-V is a stupid cult of masturbating academics who think spending ten years on the description of a shitty toy instruction set is anything resembling a reasonable action; it's naught, but stupidity.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-02 13:40:07 asciilifeform: PeterL: for the most part, cosmetically. but lulzily offloads various functionality to unspecified liquishit which pseudo-'open' vendors are free to patent/withhold
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-01 20:41:25 asciilifeform: i.e. you get effectively similar level of 'openism' if you buy an rk. the main diff is that the rk is ~50 $ while similar calibre riscv is ~1000$+
asciilifeform: a 'ryzen' price]
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-01 20:41:25 asciilifeform: i.e. you get effectively similar level of 'openism' if you buy an rk. the main diff is that the rk is ~50 $ while similar calibre riscv is ~1000$+
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-01 20:43:52 asciilifeform: vaguely suspects that the riscv thing is, for lack of a better term, a 'stopper' -- i.e. exists to occupy the market niche just enuff to prevent the appearance of the real thing.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1077958 << we're all small change, afaik, next to the asylum-napoleon grade cases which populate opensoresdom.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 00:24:08 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-01#1077611 Everyone here isn't touched in the head?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1077969 << see also. most of what's passed off as opensores is actually a product of elaborate psychopathology, not unlike the scribbles of schizos on bus station walls
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 00:43:31 scoopbot: New article on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: Intelligent Idiots
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-17 19:35:30 asciilifeform: it's a terrifying egowound to the typical derpware author (esp. if addicted to 'feeling significant' -- 'how will i stay at the center of things if a proggy can be finished??!!' )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-01 17:45:11 asciilifeform: signpost: the apparatus maintains a caste of parasites with chronic ennui, these spin in place agitproping, 'opensoresing', etc. on own steam, attempting to quench unquenchable thirst of 'feeling significant'
asciilifeform: 'behold and respect my railway bridge made of toothpicks'.
asciilifeform: lol, apparently not typo, 200 $, not 200k, not 200 btc...
thimbronion: Just legalizes what everyone is already doing
asciilifeform: thimbronion: well, what redditus is doing at any rate
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-10 13:33:43 asciilifeform: these can 'get away with it' for potentially infinite time, simply by remaining usd.paupers
asciilifeform: if yer 200k rather than 200, they'll collect.
thimbronion: seems not all bad, anyway.
signpost: there's definitely a small, vocal group of folks holding btc in congress.
asciilifeform: can believe that some 'hold'.
signpost: unfortunately the insider-trading fed-pump-and-dump folks outnumber, and likely overlap.
billymg: is that $200 per year? or per day, per hour, per minute?
billymg: if it was 200/day wouldn't be that bad, could freely use on gas and groceries without ever paying a dime in tax
billymg: i expect to see more of this as time goes on and people's hodls stay buried
bitbot: Logged on 2022-01-19 17:24:22 billymg: "fine fine, you dun have to pay the tax, just give us the btc"
signpost: per transaction.
signpost: however there's such a thing as "structuring", which is illegal, and is defined as whatever the prosecutor likes.
signpost: "structured transactions to stay beneath the limit"
signpost: isn't unique to this particular proposal. see also: http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/
billymg: yeah, well aware of that one
billymg: but if just used for gas and groceries not sure how'd they'd make the case you were structuring to avoid. "what, i don't drive a semi truck, filling up costs less than $200"
billymg: how* they'd
signpost: just saying that "safe harbor" limits are in practice only useful if you're harmless.
billymg: right right, in reality there is no rule of law and they can hang you for whatevre
asciilifeform: signpost et al : faux-'amnesties' to lure folx outta hiding are as old as the state.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: how would you know it's not faux?
asciilifeform: how do you know when a brooklyn bridge sale is genuine, lol
thimbronion: not an answer but mkay
thimbronion: I think it is a stretch, like a huge stretch, to compare this to "let a thousand flowers bloom" from Mao or whatever
asciilifeform: thimbronion: inviting btc users to give up the entire point of the thing, in exch. for some promisetronic 'legitimization', is an entirely expected move on the part of the reich imho. some folx always foolish, fearful, or conformist enuff to bite.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-15 12:03:03 asciilifeform: imho ~whole point of bothering with the extremely gnarly rube goldberg apparatus is to piss on the reich in various ways.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: how would you know if the legitimization were real?
thimbronion: or is it not possible for bitcoin to be legitimate?
asciilifeform: a 'promise' from the reich today is worth tomorrow less than a fart in the wind.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-19 12:55:46 billymg: asciilifeform: this one? http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/
asciilifeform: thimbronion: depends what means 'bitcoin'. if this bitcoin -- then no, definitionally impossible.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-19 11:19:42 asciilifeform: signpost: re 'why pest' -- asciilifeform is a btc aficionado of the (nearly extinct, possib.) old school -- would like to live in world where can get paid in uninflating, untaxable coinz, and buy necessities of live in same. doubt that anyone living nao will live to see such thing, but asciilifeform specifically interested in work which could make it at least conceivable.
thimbronion: I mean in a world where still have to pay taxes.
thimbronion: That bitcoin.
asciilifeform: ... ~other~ 'bitcoin's, i.e. say 1 where erry tx is ratted out to, and conditionally approved, by gestapo -- yes, can 'be legitimate'
asciilifeform wants 0 to do w/ any such 'bitcoin'
asciilifeform: thimbronion: reich tax is presently collected in (and levied on) reich scrip.
thimbronion: The whole point of bitcoin is you own it
thimbronion: You choose to pay tax or not.
asciilifeform: that you own it, and that no one can necessarily demonstrate that you own it.
thimbronion: mhmm anonymity
asciilifeform: observe that it still largely worx w/out any anonymity as such
asciilifeform: ( 'couldn't possibly', superficially, like the old quip re 'bee cannot fly per modern aerodynamics', but does, nevertheless )
thimbronion: how is this different than redditus life?
thimbronion: no thanks
asciilifeform: which 'this' , thimbronion ?
thimbronion: know one knows you've got any, because you don't spend any, live like pauper, etc
asciilifeform: thimbronion: well for 1 thing, there's >1 way to 'not live as pauper'
asciilifeform: for anuther, it aint required that 'no one knows'. as iirc thimbronion pointed out, on asciilifeform's www effectively 'brass band plays' and makes 0 seekrit of using bitcoin etc
thimbronion: Sure you can not live as a pauper by feeding off the fiat spigot
asciilifeform: for instance, nobody needs to know precisely how tall is yer 'hodl', unless yer foolish enuff to expose all of it publicly
asciilifeform: no one but the folx yer tx'ing with, have any biz knowing who yer tx'ing with
asciilifeform: and so on
asciilifeform: all of this still worx 100% same as did in '09.
thimbronion: The government will know you bought tide whether you use btc or not
asciilifeform: of course, given that you buy it w/ reichcard in a reich univermag
asciilifeform: there aint a magick pill against snoops as a class.
asciilifeform: the life of a 'hodler' aint, incidentally, very different from that of captain kidd. yes, you can liquidate some treasure, but then the proceeds will be on your person, and someone ~could~ club you over the head & take it
asciilifeform: how much liquidate, and how much to remain buried, is personal matter for capt.kidd.
asciilifeform: observe however that at no point, not even at his hanging, does it make any kinda sense for him to 'show where it all is'.
asciilifeform: even if 'promised' some sort of 'legitimization'.
asciilifeform: promises from enemy are worth less than nothing.
thimbronion: So don't show where it all is.
thimbronion: You're aware of the boating accident meme yes?
asciilifeform: understandably, not erryone wants to be capt.kidd. would be better of course to be the king, whose hodl is beyond reproach and no one may safely question 'legitimacy' of.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: quite aware.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-12-16 22:10:16 asciilifeform: as for the coin, the correct algo to 'hodl' is exactly same today as was in '09. i.e. your hdd has what's indistinguishable from rng output. and as for the key, maybe you once had it, but now lost in boating accident. and forgot where boated. (and if you can't stick to the story, will have to carry cyanide.)
asciilifeform: at any rate, asciilifeform's pov on subj: by taking an 'amnesty', yer helping the otherwise quite sclerotic and feeble reich bureaucracy in ways which may later come to regret.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-10 14:24:00 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-10#1072184 << great q. the correct response is individual matter (but generally some variant of this formula )
thimbronion: Anyway, Mao isn't in charge yet, and we're not in the Killing Fields yet, and if we were, there are many more things they could execute me for than Bitcoin.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: ever consider how much sheer effort takes to organize a killing field ?
asciilifeform: scarcely any modern folx up for the work.
thimbronion: Indeed, which is why it's best to be in a country fully of lazy people
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-18 16:24:27 asciilifeform: is rather about whether to unnecessarily make work of seekritpolice over9000x easier. which, when easily avoided, avoid.
thimbronion: Don't want to find yourself in a Germany or Japan
asciilifeform: be the gnarly, fungal blade of wheat, not the tall and shiny 1 screaming for harvester.
asciilifeform: this dun have to reduce to straw man of 'become redditus'
asciilifeform: in fact is no different from the advice given for 100+yrs to folx e.g. spying for foreign crown and paid in suitcases of moolah
asciilifeform: don't buy ferrari if yer nominally a train conductor.
asciilifeform: (or if you do -- dun be surprised)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-25 18:22:57 thimbronion: if you are driving a nice car, better be paying a fuckload of taxes
asciilifeform: and if you ~must~ ferrari -- 1st save up the pennies for a new passport. ~then~ ferrari.
asciilifeform: wb pete_rizzo_
pete_rizzo_: i come in and out. i'm still just so bad at IRC
asciilifeform: pete_rizzo_: log's right there.
pete_rizzo_: asciilifeform do you know where i can find the binaries for this? http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
pete_rizzo_: or does someone host those somewhere?
asciilifeform: pete_rizzo_: there are no binds published. quite deliberately.
asciilifeform: pete_rizzo_: user is expected to build it.
pete_rizzo_: ah, i see
asciilifeform: pete_rizzo_: if you can stay tuned, e.g. shinohai will likely help you build. if he's absent -- asciilifeform , tho the latter quite busy these days
pete_rizzo_: yeah, that would be great. i am still interested in testing a few hypothesis about how the client works and interfaces with the bitcoin network at large
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 14 nodes...
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.021s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=721700
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.023s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721700 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721700
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721700
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.097s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721700 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.143s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721700
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.151s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=721700 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.261s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721700
watchglass: 94.176.238.102:8333 : (2ppf.s.time4vps.cloud) Alive: (0.289s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721160
watchglass: 82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.314s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721700
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.602s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721700
watchglass: 75.106.222.93:8333 : Alive: (0.472s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721700
asciilifeform: ^ does work.
asciilifeform: pete_rizzo_: see e.g. cgra's www for exploration of known bugs.
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
pete_rizzo_: hm yeah. not sure I can make much sense out of that as I can only really articulate my higher level questions
asciilifeform: pete_rizzo_: post'em here, they'll get answered.
asciilifeform: then read answrs in log at yer leisure.
billymg: pete_rizzo_: re: trb build, iirc you were on a mac? did you ever find a proper linux box?
asciilifeform: ^ linux atm the only officially supported os.
pete_rizzo_: nah. i was attempting to get a more tech-saavy friend to lend a hand. I don't really have any programming experience
pete_rizzo_: i'm a serf person
billymg: pete_rizzo_: i'll be publishing a guide soon with step-by-step instructions for the complete setup, including a gentoo os that you can also install e.g. firefox on and use as a daily driver
pete_rizzo_: maybe warmer
billymg: pending that, the fastest/easiest is to follow asciilifeform's dulap guide and put a trb on that
billymg: though dulap isn't really the type of gentoo you're gonna be putting firefox on
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's trb noades in fact constructed precisely this way
billymg: if you follow asciilifeform's guide and build a dulap, you can then follow the trb guide verbatim
asciilifeform: recipe in fact worx on most heathen linuxes tho
billymg: asciilifeform: not on newer ones with glibc > 2.28
bitbot: (therealbitcoin) 2020-07-08 jurov: For the record, I should mention that rotor needs glibc <2.28 on build system because it moved some include files which break the bootstraping of m4.
asciilifeform: interesting
asciilifeform: worth noting in the instructions, when asciilifeform gets around to rebaking tbf www.
asciilifeform: the Final Solution as i understand will necessarily involve signpost's system.
billymg: yeah, looking forward to true republican os
asciilifeform: or even simply a perma-stable gentoo.
billymg: dunno how tf there are over9000 linux enthusiasts using e.g. alpine, void, and other boutique distros yet no one willing to work on one without any systemdisms
asciilifeform: billymg: there are a few attempts, none afaik 100% clean
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-05-17 09:29:27 asciilifeform: did try a purportedly systemd-free 'modern' linux -- 'artix'. needed to serve a commercial client who traditionally used 'arch'.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-05-17 09:30:33 asciilifeform: 'artix' indeed is systemd-free. but many of the packages (e.g. 'cups') do not work; and device hotplugging is mysteriously broken (mass storage -- worx; usb-to-serial -- not; and this despite a known-good kernel. it's whatever the thing has instead of udev that's a dud)
asciilifeform: notably, all (incl. above, and the current Official 'systemd-free' gentoo for that matter) infected with 'logind'.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-29 15:00:47 asciilifeform: ( do NOT permit systemd-logind, it is a supposedly-neutered but in fact complete copy of systemd , that the traitorous gentoo maintainers force-install on explicitly 'non-systemd' setup)
billymg: yeah, i meant a distro that adhered to asciilifeform's crapolade banlist
asciilifeform: afaik currently this consists strictly of dulap-gentoo. (and soon, signpost's thing, tho afaik the latter aint a gentoo, i.e. throws out 'portage' and req's hand-cranked builds of all 3rdparty proggies)
asciilifeform must bbl.
billymg: pete_rizzo_: you'll learn a lot just by diving in and building one, even if you don't understand fully what it is you're doing every step of the way
billymg: i was in the same boat back in '18, have slowly learned a lot over the last few years, still consider myself a noob but at least no longer helpless
signpost: asciilifeform: thing grew a simple dependency mechanism as of a few days ago, so not so hand cranked.
signpost is incorporating the things he most liked from gentoo as needed, when the need arises, rather than pulling in everything.
signpost: but yes, no systemd, no logind, no any of the systemd-by-another-name-if-you-squint
signpost: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=9aBl << current wip pbuild for gcc, which displays some of the features (i.e. deps, use flags)
signpost: my concept of deps is build-level, since everything built is statically linked, so there's not in principle much reason to worry about install-deps.
signpost: if you want just an emacs, or a variant gcc, etc., in some dir, you should have that with no questions asked, and nothing hauled in you didn't request.
signpost: e.g. USE=shared /src/pbuild install gcc -d /opt/gcc-musl-mips -j16
signpost: "run the gcc pbuild, install to /opt/gcc-musl-mips, build with 16 processes, enable 'shared' use flag (not pictured in ebuild, but can imagine adding it with default off)"
signpost: soon as I get this dependency thing cleaned up a bit, I'll probably start writing up a poast, and cut a first release.
signpost: after that, gotta grunt the whole cuntoo installer into it, which is perhaps a few wks hacking.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 18:03:01 signpost: asciilifeform: thing grew a simple dependency mechanism as of a few days ago, so not so hand cranked.
asciilifeform: in rather unrelated lulz, asciilifeform 'lived in cave' and never knew impact driver tool existed. finally bought and 'wtf where has this been all of life'
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078146 << hmm does the ada flag in fact produce a working gnat ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 18:06:03 signpost: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=9aBl << current wip pbuild for gcc, which displays some of the features (i.e. deps, use flags)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 18:04:17 signpost: but yes, no systemd, no logind, no any of the systemd-by-another-name-if-you-squint
asciilifeform had to go through a # of contortions to build xorg recently on dulap-gentoo
bonechewer has been meaning to try Sabotage Linux for awhile
bonechewer: I think it is systemd-free
bonechewer: There is a somewhat curated list of systemd-free distros at sysdfree.wordpress.com
billymg: bonechewer: cool links, thanks for the reading material. encouraging to see as well
asciilifeform: bonechewer: nifty www, asciilifeform added to links bar on own site, ty
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in upstack thrd -- happened across lulzy vintage mp re subj while digging through unrelated logz.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 16:45:40 asciilifeform: at any rate, asciilifeform's pov on subj: by taking an 'amnesty', yer helping the otherwise quite sclerotic and feeble reich bureaucracy in ways which may later come to regret.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-10-21 mircea_popescu: and in other news nobody gives a shit about : the argentine govt announced an "amnesty" whereby idiots with cash in strongboxes/matresses etc can "blanquear" it, by depositing it in a bank and paying 11% in tax ("to begin with"). same applies to foreign holdings.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-10-21 mircea_popescu: this generous measure of voluntary self-rape "ends" on 31st, after being extended a coupla times. meanwhile the govt has been piling on debt at about 2x the rate of the kirscheristas.
thimbronion: Who's putting their Bitcoin in a bank?
thimbronion: The link I posted is in no way an amnesty. It's an admission of inability to control.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: difficult to say imho what the intended scheme is, there. ( 'below 200 not reported' ? prolly will appear superficially troo, but in fact monitored just same as before, to catch 'cheaters' etc)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 14:40:03 signpost: however there's such a thing as "structuring", which is illegal, and is defined as whatever the prosecutor likes.
asciilifeform: come to think of it, the thing is vaguely reminiscent of lulzjurisdictions where 'under x gram of dope not prosecuted'
asciilifeform: i.e. it aint a 'legalize'(tm)(r) but simply moar rational allocation of gestapo man-hrs
asciilifeform: however was discussing the larger concept of 'come outta hiding, fellas, and we'll forgive yer crime of not paying wealth tax'
asciilifeform apropos -- recently learned of the existence of such a thing as 'holocaust furniture' market in usa. antiques. turns out, for a brief time in '30s, german j00z were 'amnestied' and permitted to buy 'household' goodies and walk outta germany w/ same. boats fulla fine furniture went to usa.
asciilifeform: funnily x9000, e.g. google only returns the lampshades etc. for 'holocaust furniture' string.
asciilifeform: pretty interesting difference.
thimbronion: Haven't used google in months unless it occasionally slips in as default somewhere.
asciilifeform uses 99% for compiler eggog strings
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078156 << yeah, I haven't wrapped the building of gnat in the flag just yet, so gnat-capable gcc is the default, but works just fine.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 18:30:04 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078146 << hmm does the ada flag in fact produce a working gnat ?
signpost: builds gprbuild, vtools
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 18:38:44 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078145 << is there xorg tho ?
signpost: any notes you have on what fought back would be welcome.
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078161 << once I get this thing released, would very much welcome folks helping push.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 19:09:22 bonechewer: has been meaning to try Sabotage Linux for awhile
signpost: I think "sabotage" came up in my research on which distros had musl patches, unless I'm mistaken.
signpost: ah yep and busybox. this is not far from my own goals.
signpost: but I want V at the center of what'd otherwise be called "package management"
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078163 << because I want not merely a shit-free linux, but one I can understand, at rest and in motion.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 19:10:19 bonechewer: There is a somewhat curated list of systemd-free distros at sysdfree.wordpress.com
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 20:50:12 asciilifeform: come to think of it, the thing is vaguely reminiscent of lulzjurisdictions where 'under x gram of dope not prosecuted'
signpost: because who gives a shit about the terminal node anyway.
verisimilitude: For reference, this referred to this and not this.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 00:22:22 verisimilitude: So, what do ye think of my latest article?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-01 00:42:01 scoopbot: New article on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: Tabular Programming: Roman Numerals
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 00:43:31 scoopbot: New article on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: Intelligent Idiots
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1077972 I just hold on to the idea that anonymous conversations can be worthwhile; I intend to write about some odd aspects of identity related to them, at some point.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 09:42:06 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1077956 << i dun follow your syllogism, verisimilitude . 'some not worth having' ergo 'none are' ??
verisimilitude: Simply put, whereas persistent identities lead to concerns over authenticity, I've found anonymous forums place the highest value on finished products.
verisimilitude: So, it's the difference between an artist having a name, and an art style resulting in something new; people don't care about identity so much as what the identity ostensibly does.
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078014 I would've commented, but found it unnecessary; it was nice seeing my writing referenced so; I'd tried to guess what the piece would be about from the title alone, but was nicely surprised. I agree with the article.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 14:49:31 scoopbot: New article on Loper OS: The Three Reasons For Source Code Publication.
verisimilitude: I've spent the past few hours or so reading more about UNIX Sockets, utterly disgusted by them.
verisimilitude: I want a sane system, under which making a UDP program doesn't require such drudgery.
verisimilitude: I don't look forward to covering any of it up with Ada.
verisimilitude: These systems encourage the most wasteful and insidious layering, due purely to the barbarity of the underlying layers, and none of the layers look good from a suitably high layer.
verisimilitude: I'd be tempted to use xinetd for everything, but it seems using it with UDP doesn't spare one from this nonsense in any reasonable way.
verisimilitude: It really is rotten to the core.
verisimilitude: One thing I like about that approach I outlined is how it's suited to making software less conversational.
verisimilitude: Software written in Lisp is usually conversational. The system is a conversation partner.
verisimilitude: Since Lisp makes it hard to make guarantees, this is fine, because I tend to notice if my conversation partner has a heart attack and drops dead.
verisimilitude: This is distinctly unsuited to what I want in most software, however, which is a servant. I want to give commands, be asked what to do in unavoidable failure cases, and then leave to come back to a finished job.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078212 << fwiw asciilifeform already baked a udp spackle for ada and imho is unlikely that anybody will find how to usefully shave even 1 loc from it, thing's afaik minimal as it stands.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 22:40:56 verisimilitude: I don't look forward to covering any of it up with Ada.
verisimilitude: Doesn't it still block on receive?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: what wouldja prefer ? eating the cost of a signal on erry packet?!
verisimilitude: Besides, it's too UNIX-flavoured for my tastes.
verisimilitude: I want an interface that doesn't reek of the underlying system.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: how does the interface do so there ?
asciilifeform: you call the rcvr w/ a port#, get 512 bytes when it comes back. similarly but in reverse gear to tx.
verisimilitude: Fuck, I designed this in 2019 and haven't finished it yet: http://verisimilitudes.net/udp.ads
asciilifeform: loox rather moar unix-exposing than asciilifeform's btw
asciilifeform: on the user end
verisimilitude: It's just a protected object.
asciilifeform: why wouldja let it choose random port, for instance ?
verisimilitude: It's not useless behaviour.
verisimilitude: This kind of thing is in the IETF RFC.
asciilifeform: imho entirely useless. the ports #s are 100% predictable.
asciilifeform: all kindsa liquishit is in the rfc.
asciilifeform: if you dun spackle properly over it, then precisely 'reek of the unix' neh
verisimilitude: Well, I've not finished it anyway.
verisimilitude: It shouldn't be so fucking difficult to do anything.
asciilifeform: why expose the checksum toggle, for instance. (on many systems it aint connected to anyffin ftr)
verisimilitude: I wanted an ideal interface, and such was part of it.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: could try reading the linked 1, and see if you can find anyffin to cut.
asciilifeform: chances are you won;t
verisimilitude: Besides, I can't legally use it, and regardless of what we think of copyright, I want to be able to fully legally use it.
asciilifeform: somehow other folx have no problem with this.
verisimilitude: Sure, and others do.
asciilifeform: b/w you & odin, i suppose
verisimilitude: If I'm going to write everything else I use, I may as well write the interface code as well.
asciilifeform: start w/ os then
verisimilitude: The journey of one thousand miles starts with a single step, but one should think carefully of which direction to go in.
verisimilitude: The more I learn, the less Lisp seems necessary.
verisimilitude: There's that song ``God Wrote in Lisp''.
verisimilitude: ``and God could not count grains of sand with a thirty-two bit word.''
asciilifeform: 'and god could not count grains of sand, with a 32-bit word...' that one
asciilifeform: aha lol
verisimilitude: God could count grains of sand with a one hundred and twenty-eight bit word, however, couldn't he?
asciilifeform met author
verisimilitude: A reliable system can't have unbounded and vague values.
verisimilitude: ``Rather than represent code as data, it's better to eliminate the code entirely, I've grown to think.''
asciilifeform: by all means, make w/ bounded values.
asciilifeform: but there's sumtthing to be said for actually finishing a proggy.
asciilifeform: and , moreover, for not simply making exactly same thing as already on the table.
verisimilitude: Sure, but only when it be correct, when it be perfect.
asciilifeform: cuz at that rate 20y from nao you'll be just about done rewriting what asciilifeform posted in '18.
asciilifeform: and result will be ~same
asciilifeform: make pefect. by all means.
verisimilitude: Sure, but I'm not going to implement such cryptography any time soon.
verisimilitude: I think I could make an exception for FFA, asciilifeform, because it's beautiful, from what I've read so far, but not a UDP binding.
asciilifeform: plenty of actual open problems to bite into imho.
asciilifeform: understand tho, that proggy that never gets written, aint 'perfect'.
verisimilitude: I'm much more interested in Elision right now than in anything else, which is also what led to that article.
asciilifeform must bbl
verisimilitude: Be well.
verisimilitude: I'll also leave for now.
whaack: about to head to bed but found something interesting with my blockexplorer
whaack: the script here shows that basically all miners (97% in this 100 block sample) are using p2pkh addresses to claim the coinbase tx http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=alF2
whaack: the script uses the assumption that the first index of the coinbase output is the one taking the bulk of the prize, actually a pretty naive assumption but it has checked out for all the cases where i inspected it myself, i'll try to get around to writing a better one soon
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