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← 2022-07-02
verisimilitude: It's a tad surprising to me that the issue is with me, and not some of the others here; I don't spout nonsense as at least one other here does. Do I simply pass the barrier from obvious nonsense at a glance is all?
verisimilitude: By all means, ignore me, but no one else seems to have such an issue with my behaviour.
verisimilitude: Now, asciilifeform has compared me to Terry Davis, but I prefer to think of myself as more coherent, most of the time.
verisimilitude: I'm outside of the range of normal human behaviour, to an extent not one of you is truly aware, and this makes me deranged. I'm not sorry.
phf: blah blah blah
verisimilitude: It wouldn't've been kind had I responded so in turn.
verisimilitude: It's okay to dislike me, phf, but it's childish to try to ascribe higher meaning to it.
phf: why would that be _childish_? why are you so shit with your communication style despite claimed precision. it would be for example petty, but what would make it _childish_ exactly? ffs, can you at least try
verisimilitude: Childish : silly and immature
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-03#1110340 << _that's how you responded_ rephrased, yeah? i mean you put a hedge upon a hedge upon a hedge "can't be me, because i also think it's a problem, besides i'm surpised this can eve napply to me, because others are as bad, BESIDES nobody else called me out on it" ffs man
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-03 00:14:53 verisimilitude: It wouldn't've been kind had I responded so in turn.
verisimilitude: Should we continue wasting key strokes on this topic?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-03 00:20:01 verisimilitude: Should we continue wasting key strokes on this topic?
verisimilitude: Who's behaving like the imageboard user now?
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-03#1110337 << you're no terry davis, man made his own os, started a social following, was significantly nerfed by his genuine medical condition, still thrived.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-03 00:06:30 verisimilitude: Now, asciilifeform has compared me to Terry Davis, but I prefer to think of myself as more coherent, most of the time.
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-03#1110338 << i'm dark and mysterious, you don't even know!!!1
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-03 00:08:05 verisimilitude: I'm outside of the range of normal human behaviour, to an extent not one of you is truly aware, and this makes me deranged. I'm not sorry.
verisimilitude: We agree. He's currently my better.
verisimilitude: I exude verisimilitude.
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-03#1110335 << "at least one other", name names or gtfo. why _you_ specifically? because _you_ butt into my conversations with _other_ people with innane and idiotic, reddit tier comments, so i'm therefore i'm talking to you.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-03 00:03:54 verisimilitude: It's a tad surprising to me that the issue is with me, and not some of the others here; I don't spout nonsense as at least one other here does. Do I simply pass the barrier from obvious nonsense at a glance is all?
verisimilitude: This isn't a medium for one-to-one conversation so much as for group conversation.
verisimilitude: I tried to offer advice, drawing from my previous works, to get this in return.
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-03#1110359 << your advice is shit and you're shit. please don't offer any more of it. thank you.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-03 00:26:44 verisimilitude: I tried to offer advice, drawing from my previous works, to get this in return.
verisimilitude: I don't think I'll offer any advice to thee from now on, no.
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-03#1110362 << well on account of you being autistic and MAYBE SOME OTHER MYSTERIOUS AND BROODING CONDITION, i figured you might've not gotten the hint the last few times i've communicated this point. so i'm making this absolutely fucking clear. don't fucking talk to me.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-03 00:27:59 verisimilitude: I don't think I'll offer any advice to thee from now on, no.
verisimilitude: Maybe we'll get lucky and my heart will explode soon.
verisimilitude: Don't count on it, though.
verisimilitude: Yes, I can't misunderstand this.
verisimilitude: Just /ignore me already.
phf: i already did, but asciilifeform's log doesn't have ignore, so i still get exposed to your drivel
verisimilitude: Oh, that's too bad.
phf: and ftr, for the log readers, this is the advice in question, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-02#1110269 what. a fucking. wanker.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-02 21:57:24 verisimilitude: Anyway, if this is just fiddling in the REPL and not something for release, just read in lines normally and mind the ending carriage return.
verisimilitude: I later suggested to use octets.
verisimilitude: Had it been written that way, it would've worked in SBCL.
phf: oh appealing to authority are we, i thought only verisimilitude solutions are proper solutions and everything else is junk
phf: yes, i'm talking with an autist. he later also suggested using octets. let the record stand.
verisimilitude: If only it were so simple, but I'm not that megalomaniacal.
verisimilitude: Well, have fun with the parser, phf.
phf: verisimilitude: you can go fuck yourself whenever you feel like it, i mean i'm not keeping you. i'm just fucking still mad at how fucking idiotic your advice is, and your general reddit tier contribution. to conversation, or to life.
verisimilitude: If I truly be so bad, why get so angry at someone ostensibly not worth it?
phf: verisimilitude: nice use of "ostensibly". i am for the record not letting it stand. you're not _so bad_ you're just utterly _meh_, but the reason i'm angry is because i'm exposed to you, or for that matter to your ilk. the bulk of what one is exposed to is some form of verisimilitude, so you're a kind of stand it for a general deformity, in this case, rather than a specific individual.
verisimilitude: No, I disagree; I'm not similar to them.
verisimilitude: I don't have an account with some social media nonsense, I don't obsess over nonsense either, and I'm generally a different manner of person than the human-shaped animals walking about the world.
verisimilitude: Of course, I don't particularly care about how others view me, so continue to think that way, phf.
phf: nooo, i disagreeeeeee
phf: i'm just going to let that quote http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-03#1110383 stand on its own, the ur-definition of a 21st century schizoid man
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-03 01:03:58 verisimilitude: I don't have an account with some social media nonsense, I don't obsess over nonsense either, and I'm generally a different manner of person than the human-shaped animals walking about the world.
asciilifeform still wonders whether verisimilitude's trolol was a master stroke of demented genius, rather than mere fermentation product. simply seems too perfect of a trololol
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-02 21:36:55 verisimilitude: The portable method is to avoid these line functions and use character functions or, likely, work solely with octets.
asciilifeform almost bit
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-03#1110369 << 'gag' tailor-made for this kinda thing. ( assuming anyone will even peer the d00d, lol )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-03 00:30:52 phf: i already did, but asciilifeform's log doesn't have ignore, so i still get exposed to your drivel
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-03#1110388 << at this point and until i'm personally a witness or invited to the lizard meeting i no longer believe in a superior intelligence playing me as a toy. i just assume that everyone is exactly what they appear to be, until maybe i glimpse more
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-03 01:29:47 asciilifeform: still wonders whether verisimilitude's trolol was a master stroke of demented genius, rather than mere fermentation product. simply seems too perfect of a trololol
asciilifeform: phf: fair'nuff. just seemed too perfect of a kerosene imho
asciilifeform to meat, bbl
phf: but then that's also a long troll, because pretty consistent with his other behavior, essentially a capper. what, months and months of mediocrity to occasionally bait people into rage?
phf: and this analysis of yours also encourages further idiocy, "actually not just a mediocre redditor with delusions of grandeur doing his usual thing, a genius mastermind trolling!!1"
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-03#1110395 << man, fuck this shit, _you've_ encouraged his idiocy, apart from an occasional underhanded comment nobody calls him out. what you're saying is "this comment was so utterly idiotic he must be a dark trolling genuis", but what if _and much more likely_ he's not?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-03 01:36:14 asciilifeform: phf: fair'nuff. just seemed too perfect of a kerosene imho
crtdaydreams: phf: do you have greasemonkey or uMatrix on your browser?
phf: crtdaydreams: no, i filter with dnsmasq on the router. i don't mind ads, i just treat them as a signal for "bad neighborhood"
crtdaydreams: phf: not the point, was going to write a quick script to block all class="logline verisimilitude" and be done with it
phf: crtdaydreams: aah, well, in reality the experience mostly highlighted that killfiles don't work. what do you do about conversation threads?
phf: most of the time can just filter it out "oh, asciilifeform is talking to verisimilitude", but that still brings the person back in awareness
phf: and here's another thing: can see exactly the kind of inane shit the person is saying by the response people is giving him
crtdaydreams: we're still a few generations of logotron off contextual search (and destroy)
phf: and ocassionally will get consistent threads with missing counterparty, in fact i had this experience a day or two ago
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-30 15:06:16 signpost: phf: even this, the religious impulse, man!
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-30 15:07:27 signpost: hobbled as you are, can't even construct an amusing caricature of me.
crtdaydreams: well it's arguable, are any of the threads with said counterparty going to be of any worth?
phf: no! :D
crtdaydreams: so it's not a problem them :D
phf: well, but how i do i filter out these threads?
phf: needs some approximation of hard ai
phf: you can't solve social with technological, and the experience of trying to ignore verisimilitude basically demonstrated for me that you can't have naive ignore in a chat as a solution
phf: because the trickiest use case is the part where verisimilitude is particularly annoying: you're having a conversation with somebody interesting, and then verisimilitude pipes in with "i have a latin dictionary and CANIS means dog", so your counterparty decides to engage that point, and suddenly you have this complicated merge, where a single response semantically belongs to both ignored and not ignored categories
crtdaydreams: some technologies that involve a sprinkle of physics and a dash of chemistry in order to maximize the velocity of a projectile have shown use in prior civilizations for such social conundrums
phf: arguably manners emerged from the fact that armed men used to have a need for conversation within closed proximity of each other. i was reading this book on the history of sepuku which highlighted this point, e.g. a noble at a table got offended at something or rather, threw a sword at his counterparty, missed and hit emperors ornate divider, had to comit sepuku
phf: or the 19th c duelist culture "i have reason to believe you might have implied that i might have behaved less than honorably this one time, i demand satisfaction at your earliest convenience with the weapons of your choice"
phf: unfortunately can't do this over internet :>
crtdaydreams: now we have the luxury of both being offended and offending
crtdaydreams: without a face-to-face contact
phf: and it's fucking gay :)
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-03#1110421 So, when I point out something about Latin, that's trivial and senseless, but when phf makes this obvious point, it's just fine and dandy. I've made these same points several times, phf, it's naught special.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-03 02:21:16 phf: arguably manners emerged from the fact that armed men used to have a need for conversation within closed proximity of each other. i was reading this book on the history of sepuku which highlighted this point, e.g. a noble at a table got offended at something or rather, threw a sword at his counterparty, missed and hit emperors ornate divider, had to comit sepuku
phf: verisimilitude: go fuck yourself
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-03#1110420 Grow a spine and take some initiative, crtdaydreams. Stop doing something only after someone else makes it seem safe to do so.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-03 02:17:03 crtdaydreams: some technologies that involve a sprinkle of physics and a dash of chemistry in order to maximize the velocity of a projectile have shown use in prior civilizations for such social conundrums
crtdaydreams: versimilitude, I'd rather think carefully about what I say before making some blatant and benign interjection in the heat of the moment.
verisimilitude: This is no different than giving me the negative rating only after shinohai did, because he made it safe to do, right?
crtdaydreams: Is it inappropriate to make a rating as I see fit?
verisimilitude: Of course not, but be brave enough to be the first to do it, next time.
crtdaydreams: I thought it would be relevant to append some added information for the next reader, it's quite descriptive, really. Should be right up your alley.
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-03#1110427 << see this is called conversation, which is what i was having with crtdaydreams, of which _by default_ you're not part of. i know that on reddit anyone can say anything at any moment within any context or thread and the one with most upvotes wins!111 but when men talk nobody fucking cares what some random fuck has to say.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-03 02:28:08 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-03#1110421 So, when I point out something about Latin, that's trivial and senseless, but when phf makes this obvious point, it's just fine and dandy. I've made these same points several times, phf, it's naught special.
verisimilitude: I don't use Reddit.
phf: verisimilitude: i don't give a fuck, you're still a redditor
verisimilitude: Secondly, that's clearly not true. Everyone here is a part of the conversation, by default.
verisimilitude: I can't inject myself into a PM, can I, phf?
crtdaydreams: verisimilitude: A conversation implies a dialogue. Not a monologue.
verisimilitude: So, phf accuses me of not understanding how this works, whereas I accuse him of the same.
phf: verisimilitude: you can inject yourself wherever you fucking want to _by the mechanism of the medium_, but that doesn't make you part of it
verisimilitude: I disagreeeeeee.
phf: verisimilitude: that's fine, but you know, there's no other resolution to this other then us not talking to each other
verisimilitude: That's fine by me.
crtdaydreams: </flame>
crtdaydreams: Now that's settled.
phf: well, i don't think the man can stick by the rules, he butted into my conversation again
verisimilitude: I'm not touching you.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-03 02:28:08 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-03#1110421 So, when I point out something about Latin, that's trivial and senseless, but when phf makes this obvious point, it's just fine and dandy. I've made these same points several times, phf, it's naught special.
verisimilitude: I get the feeling, crtdaydreams, that no one cares to discuss Latin tonight.
verisimilitude: It's a shame, since the language is so interesting; I recently learned about the supine of a verb.
crtdaydreams: verisimilitude: this is the point where you don't vocalize it in chat and you drop it for another day
crtdaydreams: when perhaps some latin trivia would be resounding, it's about reading the room and reacting appropriately
verisimilitude: I don't quite understand the supine, yet.
verisimilitude: Yes, I agree.
verisimilitude: Well, what should we discuss, then?
crtdaydreams would be keen to discuss w/ any willing participants synchronicity
verisimilitude: Alright; start.
crtdaydreams: It's known that dynamical systems that oscillate, e.g. a pendulum will incrementally transfer energy until a certain point where spontaneous synchronicity will occur
crtdaydreams: It's rather a curiosity how the same effect can be had for say car indicators.
crtdaydreams: Specifically LED flash cams (or flasher if you like)
crtdaydreams: Because being a digital flasher without a moving part (the solenoid in relays), it cannot transfer kinetic energy towards an equilibrium.
verisimilitude: I'm ignorant of this topic, so I can't contribute.
crtdaydreams: I'm tempted to go out and buy a couple LED flash cams and see if they will still spontaneously synchronize.
verisimilitude: Write an article about it; I'd read it.
crtdaydreams: I may do so, I still have a few other things in the works though. Just a curiosity. If anyone knows anything more about the subj. would like to hear about it.
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