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(trilema) asciilifeform: understand, it is not possible to use partial machinewords in the simplest possible (i.e. the one in ffa) arithmetic method.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: so ffa only allocates by... 8 byte chunks ?
(trilema) asciilifeform: and won't work in ffa.
(trilema) BingoBoingo: ^ Markets love ffa
(trilema) asciilifeform: idea is, for pre-millerrabin litmus, take gcd(candidate, Qw) where Qw is largest primorial that fits in the ffawidth
(trilema) asciilifeform: you wouldn't want a mb of anything in ffa tho
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 23:16 asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact.tar.gz << complete kit for above. sha512==26198604bff50d3411e343a30b97f4babe3a6b291fca267435cecd6a5438a08862b550198a49dd5549dda00c841d95afc1443f597587710b83c7fa65effa9c73
(trilema) mircea_popescu: and trinque was about to release a payments thing for deedbot by ... end of july yo! and then there's the ffa growing towards a proper tmsr-rsa, and of course the gossipd sandbox, and a coupla yet sikrit items and so on
(trilema) asciilifeform: forn00bz: an, e.g., rsa modexp, in ffa, must be representable by a long roll of paper, on it are ops for ordinary 4function calculator, with very patient slave. and roll ONLY ROLLS FORWARD and has finite # of instructions on it, known in advance when you decide the ffa width.
(trilema) asciilifeform: in currently published ffa set, none of the ops do this
(trilema) asciilifeform: makes the rest of ffa an exercise in complete pointlessness, to use anything of the kind.
(trilema) asciilifeform: nogood tho. because cannot be expressed as FINITE, KNOWN (for particular ffawidth) sequence of good ol'fashioned word-arithmetic ops.
(trilema) asciilifeform: currently trying to express montgomery reduction ffaically.
(trilema) asciilifeform: the sad and slow constantspacetime solution , is the same exponentiation-by-squaring ffa has now, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/BVxyN/?raw=true , but after FZ_Square(B, B, C_Sqr); we FZ_Mod(B, M B) every time.
(trilema) asciilifeform: we cannot do this. because the simplicity of ffa comes from using strictly ordinary machineword arithmetic.
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( the infallible litmus for ffability : 'can this be UNROLLED TO DEATH?' if not -- no go )
(trilema) asciilifeform: for simplicity, tested the case that actually happens in practice: on a 64bit box, any ffa width over 512 bits gives a strictly 8-wide comba mult ocurrence
(trilema) asciilifeform: but this being said , i am not even ready yet to barf re ref-keccak, i aint even yet done barfing re ffa not having already existed
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( every single inline pragma in ffa is there because without it, stat. signif. uptick in run time on all of my iron )
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( thing still runs in constant time: N always walks the range of 1 to last digit of the width of our ffa )
(trilema) asciilifeform goes back to FFAism
(trilema) asciilifeform: 'reality winner' affair
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re rsa, i'm looking forward to msdos ffa test.
(trilema) asciilifeform: ffa for instance does NOT rely on an os
(trilema) asciilifeform: currently i also suspect that the whole ecc 'fashion' was instituted specifically to prevent a ffa-style treatment.
(trilema) asciilifeform: even the 'ffaishness' of ffa has certain natural limits. gcd, for instance, is not constanttimeable
(trilema) asciilifeform: it's the razor blade ffa walks on
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/79DCAB59E709E691968F4FD4810941DFFFFA0F0992F9482562E6D2362B99523B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1370...7779 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '203.185.67.156 (ssh-rsa key from 203.185.67.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown TH)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/79DCAB59E709E691968F4FD4810941DFFFFA0F0992F9482562E6D2362B99523B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1547...8607 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '203.185.67.156 (ssh-rsa key from 203.185.67.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown TH)
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-07-27 17:15 mircea_popescu: "hey, pudet effari perituraque prodere fata, persarum ritu male pubescentibus annis".
(trilema) mircea_popescu: "hey, pudet effari perituraque prodere fata, persarum ritu male pubescentibus annis".
(trilema) BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I understand you shiva hands are full, but maybe you can spit some venom at the Wizsec thing? As "coke machine" prognisticator affair could use your voice from on high.
(trilema) asciilifeform: meanwhile, usg pins 'mtgox affair' on btce d00d, http://archive.is/tUJgd
(trilema) mircea_popescu: speaking of which, overheard yest in car (as we were passing a quiznos sub thing with a huge "30% mas carne!!" ad) "do you know what that is ?" "no idea" "when i was a kid it was the very best sandwich thing, better than subway or what have you. so when you left me behind i went to try it out. jesus christ it was the saddest affair ever. i could have made a better sandwich in all of five minutes."
(trilema) BingoBoingo: <mod6> ok asciilifeform, dropped "OpenBSD64 4.8 binary" on my obsd 5.6. reason being, is that that version seems to be the only x86_64 version?? not sure there. but it /looks/ promising. after extracting the binaries, tried to use it to gnatmake fact + ffa, but was unsuccessful because: << Gotta use OBSD 4.8, binaries are not compatible across .1 revisions
(trilema) mod6: [17:32:00 mod6@obsd: ~/ada/fact]% gnatmake ffa ffa_fact
(trilema) mod6: ok asciilifeform, dropped "OpenBSD64 4.8 binary" on my obsd 5.6. reason being, is that that version seems to be the only x86_64 version?? not sure there. but it /looks/ promising. after extracting the binaries, tried to use it to gnatmake fact + ffa, but was unsuccessful because:
(trilema) mircea_popescu: the hassids permitted. it's complicated, but, in the context of judaism (which is STRICTLY an eastern european affair, just as "united states" will not be a thing of hawaii even long after the continent is no longer us and the island still clings to history), hasidism was a sort of 1800s 1960s. flower power all the way.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 23:16 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687889 << ben_vulpes ponder the sheer hilarity of the 'they revoked key based on faux signature!11' by same derp who heckled the 'peter anvin' key affair
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't actually recall his role in the anvin affair
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687889 << ben_vulpes ponder the sheer hilarity of the 'they revoked key based on faux signature!11' by same derp who heckled the 'peter anvin' key affair
(trilema) diana_coman: played a bit with ffa too; maybe I get some time to add to mod6's testing of it
(trilema) asciilifeform: in original description of uci, was described as 'cpu cycle by the pound' sort of affair
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 23:16 asciilifeform: ^ 'altalena affair' resulted in the switcheroo where the upstanding folx ( irgun et al, who held the position 'rm -rf britain' , were replaced by the internationalkomyooniti obedient muppet circus who ended up 'recognized' by said komyooniti as 'israel'
(trilema) asciilifeform: well, e.g., ffa, is 100% portable in the sense where it will build on ANY standards-compliant ada
(trilema) deedbot: trinque rated daffadil -1 << why do I smell california
(trilema) asciilifeform: daffadil [ab42d109@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.171.66.209.9] has joined << the sheer audacity
(trilema) mircea_popescu: daffadil wants to participate, but does so in the manner of asking for it, and gets it.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: !!down daffadil
(trilema) trinque: d'oh, in-group signaling fail for poar daffadil
(trilema) deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of daffadil from 1 to -1 << lies conversationally.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: !!rate daffadil -1 lies conversationally.
(trilema) asciilifeform: daffadil: thoroughly idiotic idea
(trilema) asciilifeform: daffadil: see also this old, lesser, horror : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-02#1084139
(trilema) mircea_popescu: daffadil DID YOU read.
(trilema) asciilifeform: anyway if your gnat does this, it is rubbish, throw it out, i will not be v-releasing an ffa where everything is not inlined, each non-inlined routine is a ~10% speed ding.
(trilema) deedbot: daffadil voiced for 30 minutes.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: harriette fucking wilson, the apodictical modern girl of the 1800s. just like deep throat she traded all she could for attention as a young ugly woman, and then grown old and growing upset at having derived altogether too little in unearned rents from the entire affair, moved on to trying to attention whore out of the perceived injustice of it all.
(trilema) mod6: either way, think I should run the ffa_fact test?
(trilema) mod6: fwiw, if i just run `gnatmake ffa_fact`, does not error.
(trilema) mod6: asciilifeform: also, what's weird is, despite the errors in the last paste above, an 'ffa_fact' binary is still compiled.
(trilema) mod6: im not sure what it doesn't like about 142, 146 -- they look like a lot of otherlines in ffa. so not sure what it thinks isn't kosher.
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his runs but somehow barfs, for 1st time, on this particular ffa.
(trilema) asciilifeform: thing is, you can't do this with ffa.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 23:16 asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact.tar.gz << complete kit for above. sha512==26198604bff50d3411e343a30b97f4babe3a6b291fca267435cecd6a5438a08862b550198a49dd5549dda00c841d95afc1443f597587710b83c7fa65effa9c73
(trilema) mod6: <+asciilifeform> !~later tell mod6 http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact.tar.gz << complete kit for above. sha512==26198604bff50d3411e343a30b97f4babe3a6b291fca267435cecd6a5438a08862b550198a49dd5549dda00c841d95afc1443f597587710b83c7fa65effa9c73 << alright thanks!
(trilema) asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact.tar.gz << complete kit for above. sha512==26198604bff50d3411e343a30b97f4babe3a6b291fca267435cecd6a5438a08862b550198a49dd5549dda00c841d95afc1443f597587710b83c7fa65effa9c73
(trilema) mod6: now i get: make: *** No rule to make target 'gnatmake', needed by 'ffa'. Stop.
(trilema) mod6: ok, it doesnt recognize `gnatmake -cflags -02 ffa ffa_fact`
(trilema) mod6: no, didn't build with -cargs -O2, just did `gnatmake ffa ffa_fact`
(trilema) asciilifeform: exercise for reader : write equation to predict, within 1 minute, how long N! takes on your box in ffa
(trilema) asciilifeform: 1 ffa mult for B-bit regs take time T. 9000 of them take time 9000T. guaranteed.
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the difficulty is in predicting how long ops take on heathentron, not on ffa ( which is deadly linear for all ops )
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 12:45 asciilifeform: while we're on subj, ffa is more or less guaranteed to lose to just about any heathen bignumtron in factorial speed, and it should not be hard to see why.
(trilema) mod6: <+asciilifeform> also you forgot, in the original, to divide the length of ffa by 64 (bits), yours will blow up instead of run, gcc by default does not give infinite stack << ah thanks for making the changes asciilifeform. bak now. will try this out...
(trilema) asciilifeform: also you forgot, in the original, to divide the length of ffa by 64 (bits), yours will blow up instead of run, gcc by default does not give infinite stack
(trilema) asciilifeform: why do you have a ffa-wide comparison in there.
(trilema) asciilifeform: on my box, a 1048576bit ffa has a 240ms mul.
(trilema) asciilifeform: mod6: other thing, since ffa is constant time, your N! is in O(N) (if mul were considered a constant op and brought outside of the brackets. which is is, 10! with 4096bit ffa, takes exactly C longer than 9! with 4096bit ffa. etc )
(trilema) asciilifeform: mod6: think of ffa as a soldier's entrenching spade. you wouldn't dig a foundation for a new house with it. but it is bare naked simple, + adequate and entirely so for entrenching, and for the occasional bout of hand-to-hand.
(trilema) asciilifeform: while we're on subj, ffa is more or less guaranteed to lose to just about any heathen bignumtron in factorial speed, and it should not be hard to see why.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: aaand 30! = 7B9A69E35CB2D866437E5C47F97AEF2C42CAEE5C00000000000 and 50! = 71864253B6AFFA79C2EA1BC52A6A1D446CA57E6FFC4196E88AF1B894823817F63F40C910E81FCC940000000000000000000 and im really impressed with my bignumatron by now
(trilema) candi_lustt: mod6: FF578F57C15BB743BEAA77D27637E02B598DFFA9AEBD15889187FE6EB3BDCA516C3FA1A52EABEF31F33B4B8C2E5B5524F1AA4F3329393912F40DBBE23D7F39723E0BE05B6696B11F8EEA0ABE365A11D9F2735AC7E5B4E015AB19B35B84893685B37A9A0A62A566D6571D7E00D4241687F5C804F37CDE9BF311C0781F51CC007C5A01A94F6CFCECEA640B8E9AB7BD43E73E5DF5D0E1EEB4D9B6CC44BE67B7CAD80808B17869561B579FFE0BBDECA5C83139E458000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
(trilema) asciilifeform: in other lullomatics, asciilifeform found a trivial 2x speedup for ffa exp
(trilema) mod6: currently using an ffa sneakpreviewed ~3 weeks ago or so.
(trilema) mod6: :!./ffa_test
(trilema) mircea_popescu: "here's a list of factorials calculated by alf's ffa : "
(trilema) mod6: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, tmsr~: http://www.mod6.net/ffa/from_thinair.html
(trilema) asciilifeform: so i asked 'what would this look like on sane iron' and ended up with ffa
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 16:14 phf: but ffa also doesn't have that many moving parts. it's a single stack mathematical code that mostly operates on same, uniform memory regions. so my original issue was that there's no enough quality code, certainly plenty of shit code, which is not quite the case in common lisp world
(trilema) phf: but ffa also doesn't have that many moving parts. it's a single stack mathematical code that mostly operates on same, uniform memory regions. so my original issue was that there's no enough quality code, certainly plenty of shit code, which is not quite the case in common lisp world
(trilema) phf: ~for me~ studying ffa is a faster method to pick up good habits, shed bad habits, considerably more so than say studying that avionics code above.
(trilema) phf: you gotta study to get to the point where "it's a simple matter of". that's the kind of insight that reading ffa can give you
(trilema) phf: asciilifeform: that's silly. it took you many years to arrive to the point where you even understand what "stop overthinking" is, or how to manifest it in code and still provide the solution. i problem is in too much thinking, then you could get a complete idiot to write ffa.
(trilema) asciilifeform: phf: the 'insight' in ffa is simply the kind that was taught to the prussian soldiers -- 'stop overthinking'
(trilema) phf: there's plenty of insight in ffa
(trilema) asciilifeform: there ain't much of it in, e.g., ffa
(trilema) asciilifeform: the other thing to remember, is that the win from writing in ada - but not in ada in general, but the style demonstrated in ffa in particular -- remains even if YOU HAVE NO ACCESS TO GNAT and gotta compile by hand into asm. because it forces the style of algo that CAN be safely so expressed - i.e. without presumption of pointerolade arithmetic, gc, or other cost-externalizing electrosocialisms
(trilema) asciilifeform: FIRST you write the fits-in-head minimal ffa-like thing. THEN you spark.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 14:02 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682303 << iirc phf posted his ffa helloworld a day or so after the original paste
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 05:16 mod6: took me quite a while to gain the knowledge of how to write a test driver that creates the ffa generic package and the necessary compoents to make that possible.
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682303 << iirc phf posted his ffa helloworld a day or so after the original paste
(trilema) mod6: took me quite a while to gain the knowledge of how to write a test driver that creates the ffa generic package and the necessary compoents to make that possible.
(trilema) mod6: :!./ffa_test
(trilema) mod6: f, my ffa is super old
(trilema) asciilifeform: upstack, ffa wants to double as a 'how to rsa' 'b00k' , i.e. at every point tradeoff was made for clarity rather than speed.
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( ffa in asm is - somewhat surprisingly - easier than ada or even c )
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for completeness, exp with 4096 operands takes ~0.3s. per. on current ffa.
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this knot can be cut in exactly 2 ways - the 'ffa' and 'gmp', if you will
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680575 << ffa is graphical demonstration that this is so
(trilema) asciilifeform: meanwhile, from same fishwrap, https://archive.is/7cEvZ >> 'A Current Affair reporter Ben McCormack has appeared in court for the first time since he was charged with child pornography offences.' << au competes with uk for 'who is premier anglo shithole'
(trilema) asciilifeform: aha, see the 'egyptological' ffa posted last month
(trilema) asciilifeform: what do you think ffa is prototype of !
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja read the beginning, say, of ffa. there's a proof of correctness for the adder, for instance.
(trilema) asciilifeform: that's the spec for ffa, for instance.
(trilema) asciilifeform: with the ffa massages
(trilema) asciilifeform: will soon enough, when i polish off ffa
(trilema) asciilifeform: is whole point of the ffa thing
(trilema) asciilifeform: recall, we're FFA, and they're non-F
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/879D62B318A6A49281F9402E6B11526A4FFA8C93C1731EF9C504069D427CF434 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1381...2279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '68.231.181.46 (ssh-rsa key from 68.231.181.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip68-231-181-46.tc.ph.cox.net. US AZ)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/879D62B318A6A49281F9402E6B11526A4FFA8C93C1731EF9C504069D427CF434 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1464...7843 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '68.231.181.46 (ssh-rsa key from 68.231.181.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip68-231-181-46.tc.ph.cox.net. US AZ)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D4CC8C588478D718F17A4243FCFFAB346D3374D857651FE5E18943D56623C46 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1380...0109 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.81.243.165 (ssh-rsa key from 80.81.243.165 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (vz265.worldserver.net. DE)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D4CC8C588478D718F17A4243FCFFAB346D3374D857651FE5E18943D56623C46 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1734...2487 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.81.243.165 (ssh-rsa key from 80.81.243.165 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (vz265.worldserver.net. DE)
(trilema) asciilifeform: 'from 0' means that it is permissible to have an array of length 0 ( not in ffa ! but in ada )
(trilema) asciilifeform: mod6: look at ffa.ads
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( see ffa.ads )
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-06-21 17:08 asciilifeform: also gotta understand what the F in 'ffa' means. it means that N**2 takes exactly same time as N**N
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what does 'ffa' stand for?
(trilema) asciilifeform: mod6: ffa has to stay an algebraic, if you will, whole, or you cannot prove that it works.
(trilema) asciilifeform: also gotta understand what the F in 'ffa' means. it means that N**2 takes exactly same time as N**N
(trilema) mod6: <+asciilifeform> but keep in mind mod6 et al that where before you had package ALU is new FFA(Width => Width, Word => OS.Machine_Word); you will now have, e.g., package ALU is new FFA(Word => OS.Machine_Word); << thanks for this too
(trilema) asciilifeform: but keep in mind mod6 et al that where before you had package ALU is new FFA(Width => Width, Word => OS.Machine_Word); you will now have, e.g., package ALU is new FFA(Word => OS.Machine_Word);
(trilema) mircea_popescu: diana_coman when i was about three, they took me to a doctor. it was like a kinda mysterios affair, and it made no sense as i was not sick. the doctor asked me what do i do if i'm hungry ? and i told him i eat. he then asked me what do i do if i'm sleepy, and i said i go to bed. that was it, and everyone was impressed because apparently no fucking kids ever have any sense left.
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( there are not and will not be signed arithmetic in ffa )
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 17:55 asciilifeform: immediate 'argh' because we set out to operate SOLELY with M-bit FFA.
(trilema) asciilifeform: ...if all of your ffa are 'clean' powerof2-sized, you can lose the floor/ceiling thing
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 17:55 asciilifeform: immediate 'argh' because we set out to operate SOLELY with M-bit FFA.
(trilema) asciilifeform: immediate 'argh' because we set out to operate SOLELY with M-bit FFA.
(trilema) deedbot: daffadil voiced for 30 minutes.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: daffadil say !!up to it in a private message
(trilema) mircea_popescu: daffadil oh i misunderstood what you were asking. i gave deedbot an order, and to verify my identity it encrypted something to my key. that string in !!v
(trilema) shinohai: Any examples of thy art daffadil ?
(trilema) deedbot: mircea_popescu rated daffadil 1 << biology/artist/human
(trilema) mircea_popescu: !!rate daffadil 1 biology/artist/human
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(trilema) shinohai: Welcome daffadil
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(trilema) asciilifeform: in other veryveryolds, https://archive.is/PQIyo << moar re the 'altalena affair' , for aficionados
(trilema) mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670275 << possibly why the last time "nato army" even existed as such was mid-early 1990s. today it's entirely a parade & "technical support and training" affair.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: well, the arab notion is that young males are ~offal.
(trilema) BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ 'altalena affair' resulted in the switcheroo where the upstanding folx ( irgun et al, who held the position 'rm -rf britain' , were replaced by the internationalkomyooniti obedient muppet circus who ended up 'recognized' by said komyooniti as 'israel' << Aka. When da jooz jew'd the Jay-double-Oh-Oh-Zee
(trilema) asciilifeform: ^ 'altalena affair' resulted in the switcheroo where the upstanding folx ( irgun et al, who held the position 'rm -rf britain' , were replaced by the internationalkomyooniti obedient muppet circus who ended up 'recognized' by said komyooniti as 'israel'
(trilema) jhvh1: 12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
(trilema) erlehmann: so was that all? if not, what could i do more? the instructions seem to end here http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/#footnote_2_68942
(trilema) asciilifeform: re 'small', my ffa example ( linked earlier ) is illustrative. basic bignum arithm stack, works on any machine bitness or endianness
(trilema) asciilifeform: the generalization of the principle is ffa
(trilema) mod6: I read through ffa, and it 'makes sense' to me as far as what you're doing in most cases -- as I understand the intent of the expressions. but i stand in awe, especially after trying my own hand at Ada, at what you've produced.
(trilema) mod6: i set out to do something similar to what phf had been doing by writing some tests utilizing ffa. but then i couldn't figure out how to even make a package with function or procedure that used a generic type.
(trilema) asciilifeform: mod6: somewhat relatedly, chased bug in ffa for a ~week : wanted to make FZ.Z a trimmable ( e.g. length set as optional param ) so as to enable karatsubaization (which does 0 useful without being able to, for it and nothing else, constrain the lenght of FZ)
(trilema) mircea_popescu: tbh, cca 1880 it'd have been rather hard to predict us will simply check out, let the dumbest of the dumb handle affairs for a century.
(trilema) asciilifeform: in other noose, probably will have to rewrite ffa entirely
(trilema) mircea_popescu: in the 19th century, childbirth was a lot more difficult an affair than these days. for one thing, there was no epidural. for another thing, none of this c-section bs ; most people didn't even do it. for the third, most women delivered assisted by an older woman without a doctor present. and so following.
(trilema) mod6: new ffa compiles
(trilema) asciilifeform: about how human affairs work, and ought to work
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1657831 << i dun wanna let this slip by . so : '12 May , the dept. of IT and information defense of the ru ministry of internal affairs detected a malware attack against PCs belonging to the ministry which were running Windows.',
(trilema) ave1: Hello, I've been reading the ffa code
(trilema) mod6: anyone else playing with ffa?
(trilema) mircea_popescu: !!v E3D8DBFDDA70532B451D4D988CFFA2423A15577FFAE95C3197A1B8D5B1A8722D
(trilema) BingoBoingo: "But the bullet was not able to pierce the buffalo’s thick skull, which they use in nature like battering rams when they fight each other. However, the shot did knock the bull down to where Athmer could reposition again to gain a better angle and deliver more rounds. It took about a dozen shots total before the bull finally succumbed to its wounds in a brushy area about 100 yards off Tyson Road, about a quarter-mile outside the city li
(trilema) BingoBoingo: "He put three rounds into the bull, behind its shoulder, a traditional target spot to bring down big game, but the bull did not fall. The rifle carried by Highland police is an AR-15 that shoots .223-caliber, non-penetrating rounds." << Not a enough bullet for Buffalo Lives Matter
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 2E7203DA9FFA6CA86D3D77BFFCA5057EEDA27E28DDED45E97B3737492282282A
(trilema) mod6: sorry, don't mean to confuse with ffa
(trilema) asciilifeform: this has 0 to do with the swap trick in ffa, mod6
(trilema) mod6: and that's the main thing. i really care about trying to fit it in head, as opposed to "compiler" concerns at this time with ffa. however, my other little sample shits i've been trying to make are probably going to go a lot better now that i have a 'sane' environment.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 23:33 mod6: I totally should have just checked that the version alignment on the thing. It was weird because simple things would compile.... like really simple things. But when it came to the more complex, ffa for example, was getting weird error messages. But at least, hey, it's out there, it has some sharp edges.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 23:33 mod6: I totally should have just checked that the version alignment on the thing. It was weird because simple things would compile.... like really simple things. But when it came to the more complex, ffa for example, was getting weird error messages. But at least, hey, it's out there, it has some sharp edges.
(trilema) mod6: I totally should have just checked that the version alignment on the thing. It was weird because simple things would compile.... like really simple things. But when it came to the more complex, ffa for example, was getting weird error messages. But at least, hey, it's out there, it has some sharp edges.
(trilema) mod6: !~later tell mircea_popescu Hi, does seem like my gnat woes were system environment related. Was able to compile alf's ffa after splitting up the file: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Nl0EP/?raw=true
(trilema) mod6: anyway, stan's ffa is exciting to read through.
(trilema) phf: package Foo is new ffa(Width => 64*5,
(trilema) phf: i'm doing 2345x1 on ffa(64*5, u64) and it's giving me overflow 1
(trilema) mircea_popescu: lol is that ffa implemented in slutty what's hjer name ?
(trilema) phf: ffa(64*18, Unsigned_64)
(trilema) mircea_popescu: somehow that ilona alexis mendelbaum character managed to not put tits up, either, which is the most scandalous part of the whole affair.
(trilema) mod6: i stayed pretty pro throughout the entire affair, actually.
(trilema) shinohai went to "Mozart Festival" in Atlanta couple years back, was a horrid affair with a highschool band masquerading as "Chamber Orchestra"
(trilema) mircea_popescu: this is not an acceptable state of affairs, and whatever stories about magics and assorted fairy tales has nothing to do with it.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: in order for item to go into lab, item must first pass maturity exam. become man as opposed to child. See http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ is there for a reason.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: huge fucking loss in human control over human affairs, and meanwhile the idiots are sitting around worrying about "Evil ai". hey, guess what, you don't need the ai to fuck you over.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no meaning involved in the affairs of the subhuman.
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/118822CC63354841ED999161FFAAE67B517F0D05785260D22C83479D5EC54239 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1514...8603 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.120.1.50 (ssh-rsa key from 212.120.1.50 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MK 38)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/118822CC63354841ED999161FFAAE67B517F0D05785260D22C83479D5EC54239 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1393...2693 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.120.1.50 (ssh-rsa key from 212.120.1.50 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MK 38)
(trilema) mircea_popescu: gosh golly, "pushing the envelope" was such a quaint affair in 1985.
(trilema) asciilifeform: fabbing at other than 'bleeding edge' process, is apparently quite predictable and 'boring' affair
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/724600905B1EC7B1AF7234B5B29D4A07AC2D9FFAFB84B76D7E396B40574E4760 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1500...2987 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '5.144.32.40 (ssh-rsa key from 5.144.32.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CH)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/724600905B1EC7B1AF7234B5B29D4A07AC2D9FFAFB84B76D7E396B40574E4760 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1522...5779 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '5.144.32.40 (ssh-rsa key from 5.144.32.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CH)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/02831AAF0259AD51745CBD51091D0E7AD30A88584C00EFBFFAA8D60024DC398B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1424...1989 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.90.184.118 (ssh-rsa key from 93.90.184.118 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/02831AAF0259AD51745CBD51091D0E7AD30A88584C00EFBFFAA8D60024DC398B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1631...9839 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.90.184.118 (ssh-rsa key from 93.90.184.118 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE)
(trilema) mircea_popescu: tru story : i wrote to romanian minister of foreign affairs incensed romanian consul failed to answer my emails. turns out... clever spamfilter, woman was mortified.
(trilema) Framedragger: lol, what can i tell you, sad state of affairs
(trilema) mircea_popescu: dc89/c1f2/b589/09d3/814b/250a/731a/9b9b/791b/0927/5955/3e3b/a657/9ffa/ad3a/7565.symlink
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 16:58 Framedragger: (yeah btw, just ftr, symlink *creation* under populated dir structure (`ln -s files_f1/block35461.txt dc/dc89c1f2b58909d3814b250a731a9b9b791b092759553e3ba6579ffaad3a7565`) is slow. however, the creation was done using shellscript, need to move to c to be able to actually profile with precision.)
(trilema) Framedragger: this is quite nice, and as you say, seek operation already gives a small chunk which should cover most/all tx for current state of affairs (total number of transactions)...
(trilema) Framedragger: (yeah btw, just ftr, symlink *creation* under populated dir structure (`ln -s files_f1/block35461.txt dc/dc89c1f2b58909d3814b250a731a9b9b791b092759553e3ba6579ffaad3a7565`) is slow. however, the creation was done using shellscript, need to move to c to be able to actually profile with precision.)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C300E7F53E93306CE671E9C2BEE2440C21AE8142202BD8E090FFA40BFF361FDA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1718...3643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.16.76.136 (ssh-rsa key from 50.16.76.136 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ec2-50-16-76-136.compute-1.amazonaws.com. US VA)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C300E7F53E93306CE671E9C2BEE2440C21AE8142202BD8E090FFA40BFF361FDA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1372...0663 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.16.76.136 (ssh-rsa key from 50.16.76.136 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ec2-50-16-76-136.compute-1.amazonaws.com. US VA)
(trilema) asciilifeform: this is one of those 'sapper -- errs once' affairs.
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ADA84AFFAA8CC77417EF485B4306614CDDCA484ECBFF3F0666C6B54CEC530F14 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1464...2629 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '202.80.113.52 (ssh-rsa key from 202.80.113.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip52.113.ez.net.id. ID JK)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ADA84AFFAA8CC77417EF485B4306614CDDCA484ECBFF3F0666C6B54CEC530F14 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1504...6199 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '202.80.113.52 (ssh-rsa key from 202.80.113.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip52.113.ez.net.id. ID JK)
(trilema) asciilifeform: diana_coman: spiffy article, good illustration of the kind of affair ada was built to prevent
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: network degrading is 100% a 'if not you, then who' affair. run nodez.
(trilema) asciilifeform: it was, evidently, one of those 'everyone who wants, already has' affairs.
(trilema) asciilifeform: intel's a crown-owned affair, effectively, it can only perish together with the crown. like, e.g., 'elektronika' did.
(trilema) BingoBoingo: But yes, generally sniffable
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ECBB6111493729DCFD7B6FFA9B40187EE35F8FC369C709D2C08DA6D91619CBC1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1616...9609 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.93.211.199 (ssh-rsa key from 77.93.211.199 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (k01.banan.cz. CZ)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ECBB6111493729DCFD7B6FFA9B40187EE35F8FC369C709D2C08DA6D91619CBC1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1643...7499 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.93.211.199 (ssh-rsa key from 77.93.211.199 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (k01.banan.cz. CZ)
(trilema) asciilifeform: as for the trial, the description reads quite like every other 'seekrit evidence' affair.
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a seeing-is-believing affair tho
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6ECC4347EFFB69FFA5AC4BA2A9C6B4E23BEA12FE444B564A46BA046018340A6F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1358...9579 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.14.12 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.14.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (wayne.noopsis.fr. FR)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6ECC4347EFFB69FFA5AC4BA2A9C6B4E23BEA12FE444B564A46BA046018340A6F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1598...2297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.14.12 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.14.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (wayne.noopsis.fr. FR)
(trilema) hanbot: fairly difficult for me to judge which state of affairs is sorrier
(trilema) pete_dushenski: "For the recent abnormal operation of Bitcoin trading platform, on January 6 the People's Bank of China Business Management Department, the Beijing Municipal Bureau of Financial Affairs jointly met with the relevant regulatory authorities of the "currency network", "currency" and other major currency trading platform responsible person, Understand the operation of the platform, suggesting that the possible
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BA2D98934210694552614259A42A1F5B9C1139DA5FFA54808C80A477DD392F3A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.149.154.6 (ssh-rsa key from 88.149.154.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (88-149-154-6.v4.ngi.it. IT 25 CO)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06F288B8AF55C330405D3D7FE5F3D25EFFA73F0CAA0D240421BA3FCA6B5CC891 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1782...7733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '196.1.63.129 (ssh-rsa key from 196.1.63.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (cpt-br.pcsnet.co.za. ZA WC)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/94A40360D4108FFFA117D4B1642F412A78D2ADEC9F6602794439475C7BE2BF64 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...8927 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.8.51.165 (ssh-rsa key from 217.8.51.165 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (HSI-KBW-217-008-051-165.hsi.kabelbw.de. DE)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F5AFF3B451FBA3BA7CD74C161964A415BC8B4C91A95C67E71973DCBB8A1BFFAA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1419...2019 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.5.86 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.5.86 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (xvm-5-86.dc0.ghst.net. FR)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CDC7E33BE19658B144FFA79EA8372705569ACB1FB43D60EE772DD7F6BE14CD76 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9301...1737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.25.221 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.25.221 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5B7E4D990A326021D8A8638FF696364559C4D1B58D094E364C5073BFFA1053AD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9301...1737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.15.217 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.15.217 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
(trilema) deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E398AB2D76701B47540512A265F39492F768F68C2ABFFAF708B52A5F1FCEA627 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1046...7473 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.223 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.223 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
(trilema) mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599721 < yeah, sure, which is how leningrad affair. laisses.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: truth be told we're so far into it i can't say in confidence i even fully understand what masamune ~actually is~. this is a sad state of affairs.
(trilema) asciilifeform: that thing is probably our most comically-wtf singlepointoffailure.
(trilema) asciilifeform: (incidentally you can cheat, mircea_popescu-style, by dividing the diffables into segments using 2+ newlines as divmarkers, and nw-ing the resulting segments, then outputting the diffs.)
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