mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you know some dorks here built a shipping container church ?
mircea_popescu: and in random lulz : bus line in costa rica chose the facebook handle viajEROTICAbus
BingoBoingo somehow picked up a case of acedia this week
BingoBoingo unsure if this is related to smoking cessation or alf's dosimeter hypothesis
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mod6: lol "pierce labias"
scriba: ssh banner of 112.16.4.16 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-Comware-5.20
scriba: ssh banner of 183.246.78.224 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-Comware-5.20
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by now that verbiage is as good as a paper comedy gold certificate of deposit.
shinohai: Good morning mircea_popescu o/
shinohai: Somehow I overlooked that gem, but better late than never!
shinohai: Do you ever see any of the Morpho menelaus around where you are in Costa Rica? Those are my favorite.
shinohai is amazed how these butterflies are like a coin flip. iridescent on one side, drab brown on reverse ....
jurov: US has no new/refurbished nukes for 4 years already
trinque: ah don't worry; Rick Perry has it under control.
mircea_popescu: aha. was even lulzed vaguely in the logs last year iirc.
mircea_popescu: trinque to quote the rage of central america... "deeeeeespaaaacito... como lo hacen en puerto rico..."
trinque: guy's job as texas governor was primarily to do nothing, and make sure the other parts of government did as much nothing as possible, too.
trinque: in that, I can't dislike him *that* much
mircea_popescu: heh. the sad times when the best you can hope for is the idle class staying idle.
mircea_popescu: for some reason they're obsessed with making the old man's life miserable by pestering him constantly.
mircea_popescu: as if that's how it fucking works, and pantsuits get to decide what is joe's public and what is joe's private communication\
mircea_popescu: but if you look at it, whole movement is built on this thing. "hypocrisy" is how you say "we think we decide what other people say in public or in private" in pantsuit.
mircea_popescu: and it's all cancer outgrowth from republican spleen, as it happens. that idea that republican "ideal man" is same in public and in private.
mircea_popescu: except they';re trying tyo you know, make it opposable. to everyone but not themselves.
mircea_popescu: so why blame the confused slave playing the fishwife then
mircea_popescu: i didn't let my security ppl follow me around all the time.
mircea_popescu: and this was at a time people were actively trying to shoot me.
mircea_popescu: still, you know. buy a hammer tear down the toilet cameras, anyone who tries to fix is fired.
mircea_popescu: and also, this fucking car goes where i say it goes, not where you say it goes. and if you don't like it you're getting shot.
phf: i saw a lot of covfefe signs all over seattle, next to "#blm" etc.
phf: the meme is stronger than the thought
mircea_popescu: the bad meme pushes the good thought out of the skull.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's a whole thing, "oh, PRESERVE HIS DRUNKEN TWEETS" << Herr Tritler doesn't drink
BingoBoingo:
http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8142 << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. "
mircea_popescu: this is the perpetual bait and switch : "fuck you, be useful" creates a lot of people with repressed needs. it APPEARS that "to everyone according to his needs" will then turn a profit. get themn to vote you, pay their tiny needs, make bank.
mircea_popescu: and all that's lefty in place is a stable of needy people with no utility.
mircea_popescu: which is why that's the idea : take all the credit card debt you canm, buy btc, mexico.
mircea_popescu: even unemployed mouthbreather can get 10-20k. in a decade that'll be enough.
mircea_popescu: petrowells schmetrowells. germany had lost all its human resources throughtout a century and a half of inept management to the us.
mircea_popescu: all the aryans making up 55% of the us 120mn weren't gonna come back to berlin and man stalingrad wells.
mircea_popescu: germany's problem was sparta's problem -- all the raw materials in the world can't make another spartan.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then you agree stalingrad was irrelevant militarily
mircea_popescu: the question is the 60 or so mn germans thinking themselves americans
mircea_popescu: hitler fell for the eternal patnsuit scam, invaded russia to sell to some white old women in europe the notion that "bolshevik threat". bad trade
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ~only problem of reich was irreplaceable people.
mircea_popescu: which is why break of pact was a stupid move. trade the expensive for the cheap.
mircea_popescu: stalin would have been fucking thrilled to sell hitler that same oil he never got. and for almost nothing : just instruction manuals on how to kill his slaves to build industrial empire.
mircea_popescu: 1mn german trainers whipping russian mujicks into the ground would have produced 10x more for the reich than 5mn soldiers did.
deedbot: mats voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: maxidev voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: problem is -- people don't know how to commit. (naked, bitch! so what if people can see your perecious cuntlet ?). and when.
mircea_popescu: or do i need to dig up the threads about us "regulator" "fining" japanese co ? or the one where other japanewse co built shit and usg dun feel obliged to pay ? or ?
mircea_popescu: oh, "at least" huh ? i thought this at least didn't figure in your books in earlier discussion re correct move.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but enemy, hypothetically, ahead '+9000%', having successfully swallowed everything folx moved into btc
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> then the needs baloon. << Healthcare!!!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when we were discussing how the loser should treat the usg, ie, borrow and steal, move it to btc, and run away, you pointed out that "if btc fails, then the evil empire of usg is that much better positioned", but did not say "at least the folks trying enjoyed the try"
mircea_popescu: wehn we are discussing geopolitics, ie, counbtries not people, ie your lazy ass bias not kicking into max gear and =silencing your brain, you do not say, or evenm see "evil usg empire better position"
mircea_popescu: and you see one in one case and the other in the other case.
mircea_popescu: well, folks deciding to need more and make less every day
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bad plan to produce while there's inca around. revisit the ancients -- it is shameful for man to work plow like beast of burdewn wehn he could be soldier and plujnder.
mircea_popescu: this view is correct -- while usg stands, it is shameful for man to work. man must steal.
mircea_popescu: no. the time to work, is when there's no sovereign in sight but tmsr
mircea_popescu: when there's other pretenders, the ~only work to do is take their shit.
mircea_popescu: might as well ask byzantine army that if they get tired might stop believing jesus is in the sky.
mircea_popescu: they'll lose their worthless body here to accumulate great fortunes in the myfolder future!
mircea_popescu: if you can't buy btc for cash you aren't a person. that is the minimum bar of personhood.
mircea_popescu: these "Dangers" are very much hallucinated. chick i bought car from (for cash!) was totally petrified of you know, having money.
mircea_popescu: pretty srue they've been stealing cars for >decade byu now.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-21 16:44 asciilifeform: ( 8192bit exponentiation: ~10min with egyptological mul; 20.5s was with first-grade mul; 17.7 with karatsuba posted today )
mircea_popescu: basically the other side of the "constant time" coin is that... YOU GET CONSTANTTIME, BITCH.
mircea_popescu: yet once more poverty is the edge distinguishing man from nigger.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is also the problem of shitty profiling, times may not be accurate as measured.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because they can't afford to not fork-on-secrets
mircea_popescu: and i don't have a slave that eats jam and shits whole prunes. NEITHER DOES ANYONE ELSE is the controlling bit.
mircea_popescu: some things, could be had but aren't ; other things can't be had so we don't have them. what can you do.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense (not yet ready to shave the combined rsa-symkey model) not ready to fly.
mircea_popescu: depends on size. we never had a decent profiling of impls iirc.
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> any ustard can get 10-20k cash nqa. << Nah, they might... if they are lucky may touch ~1.5-3 kilodollars cash
mircea_popescu: provided they spend a mon-fri interval applying for all the possible credit cards they can find, and then spending saturday hitting all atms ?
mircea_popescu: it tightened that badly already, all usoviet is good for is ~decent restaurant meal ?
mircea_popescu: for the record, i will state that the average chinese dood will be supported by the chinese govt with 1-300k usd to open shop abroad.
mircea_popescu: which is why all the africa/south america/etc supermarkets etc.
mircea_popescu: and yet "everyone" acts as if they have nfi what mp is saying re usd being ~worthless ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. the amounts are not relevant. the plan is "get all you can and get out".
mircea_popescu: it is generally the argument of the pig in farm that the forest has wolves, and no clearly market slop through.
mircea_popescu: this is broadly correct -- forest will not support same headcount of pig per acre as pig farm does.
mircea_popescu: but then again -- it was "plan for wealth" not "plan for survival". there's no such thing as a wealthy farmed pig. definitionally -- wealth of farm belongs with farmer.
mircea_popescu: in the end the circling will always come to the same square : do you wish to live long, or do you wish to live well.
mircea_popescu: it's not the same game except in the estimation of those who'd play it.
mircea_popescu wouldn't have intuited alf thinks he lives well, prior to this moment.
trinque: !#s from:asciilifeform hovel
mircea_popescu: as a protection against change, it is a great life. except of course, as a justification of inertia, it is a terrible life. pick and choose, if it's why not move then it's because life is good, if it's why don't you have your boatirigible it's because life's bad.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly i thjink you will be recalled as a sort of st peter-thomas in the eventual church.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it tightened that badly already, all usoviet is good for is ~decent restaurant meal ? << That's based off of the free student loan money conduit. Eat 20 kilodollars in debt, get less than 10 % in paperable for "living expenses"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo chick i aspirated on the tail end of this owes like 1/4mn to usg according to usg, and wasted about 60k on pot and stupid shit. "living expenses" ie "i was by myself and they were giving me money. what."
mircea_popescu: now, evidently they have time-locks and other safeguards on the whole bullshit. but as a factual matter average redditard will have wasted no less than 20k in cash by the time he's "established" in "the community".
BingoBoingo similarly drank ~40-80 kilodollars of USG/Bank money between 2004-2012
mircea_popescu: this with no prejudice to your figure re "what can actually be had in hand"
BingoBoingo: Mostly between 06-08 After 08 rate of allowed cash access constricted
mircea_popescu: i'm working on old almanacs here, as i don't tend to seriously talk to 19yos.
BingoBoingo: i.e dollars that don't go straight to college bezzel office
BingoBoingo: Well, the shithole rarely starts smelling better on its own
BingoBoingo: Putrefecation sustains itself, always getting worse.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-29 22:04 mircea_popescu: now, evidently they have time-locks and other safeguards on the whole bullshit. but as a factual matter average redditard will have wasted no less than 20k in cash by the time he's "established" in "the community".
mircea_popescu: future holds room for maye 10-20mn humans. ~1btc is the table stakes of living on earth
trinque: I bought a beast of a truck for 16k
mircea_popescu: trinque we're in the other side of the life sucks/doesn't continuum atm.
trinque: wtf is this lol; do you know how long those last?
trinque: fucking yawn; the things run til 300k miles
trinque: thing didn't have the idiot iPads in the dash so no one wanted it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought buying new is a scam anyway. why would it be obvious you meant that ?
mircea_popescu: "see that freightliner baby ? well... your car and that engine, ~same hp. use it well."
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> a TWO-DOOR toyota. << $4000 buys a sports car convertible
BingoBoingo: <trinque> who said new! << 4 srs, mircea_popescu just needs decades of car buying experience to go used because his tastes run German and not lawnmower
BingoBoingo: But how long does it take to mow lawn with blender??
mircea_popescu: i dunno but it made an acre's worth of gravel one weekend...
BingoBoingo: Gotta figure in forward speed AND deck size
trinque: so here's a tip re: "omg cannot pull cash out of credit cards: 2017 panoptical broomstick hell"
trinque: pay the fucking feds with the card; buy bitcoin with the cash
mircea_popescu: let's worry if enough black chicks code. that's the issue.
mircea_popescu: 2k black dudes registered as sex offenders for buying a can of canada dry are a-ok
mircea_popescu: and, ironically, they're registered by the very shit black chix coded.
mircea_popescu: shoulda spanked the bitchezs when they were 16, not wait for the fucking "criminology" degree.
mircea_popescu: "if enough black chicks coded we wouldn't have to think about when was the last time anyone wrote any usefu lcode"
a111: Logged on 2017-05-21 00:47 asciilifeform: in other sads, it turns out that paul g. comba ( of comba's multiplication algo ) died in april.
shinohai: btw mod6 .... I failed with the Ada/Gentoo thing the other night. Back to reading I suppose.
shinohai: I can't get a workable env going .... using gcc version 4.9.4 (Gentoo 4.9.4 p1.0, pie-0.6.4)
shinohai: Ah there is my issue apparently ... I needed to prefix USE=bootstrap
trinque: this guy right here, shit you not, tells deedbot:
ag3nt_zer0: I am always peeking from time to time for reassurance hehe
trinque: you don't get off so easy!
ben_vulpes: allow me to reassure you, ag3nt_zer0, you *can* still curl2sudo!
trinque: I resisted the urge to troll him that hard
trinque: "oh gotta update your gpg, here"
ben_vulpes: what are the lolz of the day ag3nt_zer0
ag3nt_zer0: haha well alot moved around since last I was here... we had that whole brexit trump pepe chaos magik thing
ag3nt_zer0: I went on an pretty long trip - 8 mos mexico, colombia, peru, thailand
ag3nt_zer0: just got back a while ago and working my ass off to buy btc before it fulfills what appears to be its destiny of 1 trillion dollars/coin
trinque: the place has been on my radar for a while; I've got a meatwot guy there
ag3nt_zer0: i should say it was my first "world trip" so I dont have much to compare it to and was really just enjoying the otherness of it all... the food was fucking incredible and the people were mostly very nice... said hi to me as I walked past them on the street which I guess qualifies as "very nice" in pharmaceutically feminist america
ag3nt_zer0: I really enjoyed the temples everywhere
ag3nt_zer0: Chiang Rai is very nice superior to Chiang Mai imo, smaller, cleaner, up in the hills a bit more
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: what'd a month cost you there?
ag3nt_zer0: what i mean is that people are on drugs and feminism
ag3nt_zer0: could have a small home outside of town for 0.116376 btc/mo
ag3nt_zer0: and noodles and veggies and some meatz
ag3nt_zer0: dropped my little aged porn star potbelly and all fat over there though with no bread and cheese
mod6: <+shinohai> Ah there is my issue apparently ... I needed to prefix USE=bootstrap << thanks for reporting and working through your probs on this in here -- this will probably help someone in the future.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-13 22:37 asciilifeform: end result is to be a vaguely msdos-like thing that understands how to configure x64 page table, put/get blocks of disk, and speak over rs232 port. and on top of this, a self-building gnat.
mod6: yeah, it's liquishit. for sure.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 00:42 ben_vulpes: oh christ xorg needs gcc5 now?
mod6: hmm, i dunno about that, following danielpbarron's instructions i was able to get X built with gcc4. but yah, it's all shit.
trinque: hey, gnat just hauled in *6*
trinque: the latest and therefore best!!11!!!11
trinque: was actually going to ask if you had a vintage
trinque: whichever one doesn't scorn gcc4 I suppose.
trinque: dev-lang/gnat-gpl-2017 << this demanded gcc6
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i lolled at the pantsuits using the fucking word, all casual like.
mircea_popescu: you know, like fat girl everyone calls piggy trying to use "piggy" in conversation.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> so i take it 0 fat folx. << 0 tall chicks with nice udders, either.
mircea_popescu: wtf is the point even sticking it into her if she can't show 2-3lbs of tit upfront.
mircea_popescu tried recently, literally felt like was fucking a little boy. ew.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ( moar-threads-than-cpus is fundamentally a lie to the operator ) << 'i can't believe it's not cpu' aha.
mircea_popescu: then "masking" and then of course "non maskable" and etc. when that happens you know you fucked up the design
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: betcha you can't build an x that will draw on any card you can buy in a store nao, without 5+ << yeah, any proper graphics card. std intel card tho.
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, i agree though. having all kinds of background things running and the kernel off doing who knows what is unwanted.
mod6: i dunno, im pretty sure i used gcc4 to build x on this box. o.O
mod6: <+trinque> I'll try that one instead << let me know if it "works" for ya
mircea_popescu: hey listen sina, wanna go with me through the fhf spec and make final version ?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-29 20:38 mircea_popescu: was next step but sina moved to gossipding
sina: ahh you took the words out of my mouth!
sina: mircea_popescu: sure. happy to. FWIW, I kept README.md in my python repo updated with the spec as our discussions went on
mircea_popescu: cool. read the article, make list of what you think needs changed
sina: but there are definitely one or two additional refinements
sina: ben_vulpes: around?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-29 21:39 mircea_popescu: in the end the circling will always come to the same square : do you wish to live long, or do you wish to live well.
sina: asciilifeform: wondering if you took a look at my revised gossipthing by any chance?
mircea_popescu: i suspect today is the day tmsr production exceeded the ability of any one man to keep abreast of.
sina: I mean, it's still written in python and all :P
sina: so I know it still counts as "complete rewrite" in your eyes
mod6: sina: where's the code?
sina: asciilifeform: btw I was going to ask you about your feelings on this
https://github.com/cforler/Ada-Crypto-Library ...obviously hasn't been impl for constant time/space but regardless. may be possible to ctgrind it using that valgrind patch I linked in the logs
sina: mod6: no, thank *you*
trinque: consider also the value of the gentleman who writes the thing ~being in your wot~
sina: that is true trinque
sina: asciilifeform: not valgrind for valgrinding, but ctgrind patched valgrind for checking constant timeness of existing code
sina: but I guess that point stands anyway
sina: if you impl as constant time you don't need ctgrind
sina: asciilifeform: nope, and I did look! the closest thing I found was this, which is both not public and not for constantime, although interesting nonetheless drops.dagstuhl.de/opus/volltexte/2012/3587/pdf/3.pdf
sina: although I do guess the researchers could be convinced to send source
sina: yeah, I definitely appreciate the fitsinhead thing
sina: basically once it's >fitsinhead, nobodies gonna audit it
sina: somehow it's 1pm and I haven't eaten breakfast, going to walk to the shop
sina: asciilifeform: I think all the stuff you care about will be in process/
mod6: sina: aside from alfs previous assertions; do you not want a primary key field set in the messages or keys table?
sina: mod6: yes, will add some constraints and indexes
sina: it was intentionally loose to begin with, but now can be constrainted
sina: definitely need index on keys table
sina: mod6: although, again, maybe not, I think the desire is to not have sqlite dep and use fs so...
sina: asciilifeform: do you feel sqlite is an OK dep or no?
sina: I guess you think the entire edifice of computing should be torn down and rebuilt
sina: in this case it has at least allowed for rapid iteration
sina: and I do remember a logline from asciilifeform "written in python because if I didn't then it wouldn't exist" or along those lines
sina: yah, that is understood
sina: especially for the usecase of gossipd, python cannot be the final lang
sina: must find food. mircea_popescu please excuse if I'm tardy on your return