sina: alright ladies and gentlemen, off to visit some friends and have some pho
sina: enjoy your remaining weekend!
ben_vulpes: thanks for the debugging input phf, mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: i'm very recently hamstrung in degrees of freedom by hardware failures, so i won't be terribly responsive for the immediate future. working on it tho.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 03:22 trinque: seems sorta like there's a double encode happening.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo usg.pinoy moved on to whining about imminent usg defeat ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hard to tell if usg.pinoy or PRC.Chinoy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform best i can tell, wotpaste simply drops nonascii chars. was something in the makefile not ascii ?
trinque: spent more time freaking out than producing a diff would've taken.
trinque: seems it wasn't the tabs; those came back
mircea_popescu: trinque i am actually running a terst and it's pretty mindboggling.
trinque: I think echo adds a newline, for one
trinque: just... does. and look, they gave ya a "echo -n" to undo it! choice
mircea_popescu: (i don't expect it does, because look in 2nd paste. the -=== bit is produced by echo.
trinque: -n do not output the trailing newline
mircea_popescu very much recommends this test : pick random textfile, put it through the above code, see if you find a dismatching line.
mircea_popescu: atm watching it scroll, however many 100s of lines in, they all match.
trinque: phf's "foo" breaks it, though really, if the thing's an ascii paster, I dunno that the bug's anything but "fed uniturds, did not tell user to fuck off"
mircea_popescu: pretty sure it simply drops non-ascii chars silently. which is the right thing at that.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm calling it good before i fill the guy;'s disk with random lines.
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phf: ben_vulpes: are you using hunchentoot?
phf: so it shouldn't be loosing anything in 0-127 range, at least the foo file comes through clean. it is trying to parse the input as unicode (and i'm pretty sure it's the server doing it, because curl is sending it 8bit clean)
phf: because everything >127 is getting replaced with efbfbd which is unicode "REPLACEMENT CHARACTER" in utf-8
mircea_popescu: phf yes but does it ever collate into an unicode character or anything of the sort ?
phf: foo is a specially crafted file which is simply a sequence of bytes from 0 to 255
mircea_popescu: possibly there's something else afot though, because that wouldn't have afected a makefile, ie the original problem is it.
phf: right, we're in agreement here. ascii should've remained untouched
phf: i mean, we've had very many tests demonstrating it, part of ongoing "paster ate my characters" asciilifeform saga
phf: but i figure i'll try pushing a binary file through (which wasn't the spec anyway, just wanted to see what actually happens)
mircea_popescu: fwiw i never did manage to verify the saga was anything more than alf's extremely short fuse.
mircea_popescu: and i am not about to see 500 or 5 million instances of that morph into some kind of actual proof of anything.
phf: nor would my explorations ever corroborate that
mircea_popescu: anyway, so far : it's not clear that it actually does anything untoward to ascii ; my tests as they were failed to find an example. we did discover it replaces nonascii chars with some random gunk, which yes should be changed but not really much of a point or anything
mircea_popescu: i thought maybe it is the case that it takes a 2 or 3 byte item which starts with valid ascii and tries to interpret it as some sort of unicode bs and in the process ends up applying a transform to the text somehow. but unless we have the actual magic string, we're not finding this.
mircea_popescu: i tried for isntance feeding the original makefile in line by line with my comparer thing, but all the lines match.
phf: so the utf-8 parser takes anything in the 0-127 range as is, so we definitely wouldn't have any "magic string" cases in the happy path (the unhappy path being that you can apparently specify file type and encoding when posting to an rfc2388 form, and the server can happily decide to transcode it in whatever way it pleases)
mircea_popescu: there's no way he's fixcing that however, outside of making a whole new tmsr http
deedbot: aerial voiced for 30 minutes.
Framedragger: i'll do the latter, as to the former, i'm afraid it doesn't have it as of yet
mircea_popescu: Framedragger imagine you know, five years from now the situation repeats. except then there's no tardstalk anymore. but it's ok, we have the archive link. o look, it's just a dangling link.
Framedragger: i just wasn't sure if you were looking for a particular downloaded-from-earlier copy of that zip file
mircea_popescu: instead of that sad fate, pile them into monthl;y tarballs, deed the previous month's tarball each time a new month starts and lo! major piece of infrastructure.
Framedragger: (i thought you maybe wanted to check if archive.is tampered with it; which yes we should be able to do as well)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger above described mechanism will do that for free, yeah, just gotta have to care enough to put a link in log.
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BingoBoingo: OMG Costa Rica has warehouse churches too!!!
BingoBoingo was a bit disappointed, this was merely traditional church building kept as warehouse. Was expecting USian phenomenon where new construction church is actually build in the manner of a warehouse. Corrugated steel and all.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 23:16 asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6
http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact.tar.gz << complete kit for above. sha512==26198604bff50d3411e343a30b97f4babe3a6b291fca267435cecd6a5438a08862b550198a49dd5549dda00c841d95afc1443f597587710b83c7fa65effa9c73
phf: asciilifeform: just fyi, your package of goodies compiles, i haven't ran it through, but with gdb i can catch it mostly doing Mul, and producing sensible states
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 19:49 BingoBoingo was a bit disappointed, this was merely traditional church building kept as warehouse. Was expecting USian phenomenon where new construction church is actually build in the manner of a warehouse. Corrugated steel and all.
deedbot: mimisbrunnr voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: !W (DEFUN FACTORIAL (N &OPTIONAL (ACC 1)) (IF (<= N 1) ACC (FACTORIAL (- N 1) (* ACC N))))
phf: !W (= *ref* (factorial 65536))
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo no, that's precisely what it was. << Ah
phf: it's few lines above, parse-integer'd fact_out.txt
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 13:00 asciilifeform: btw if you're actually doing something that doesn't need constanttime, you can simply put the obvious check-for-zero in the karatsuba and get 2-9000x boost for mul.
phf: parse-integer actually took significantly longer than factorial (i'm trying to figure out how to get a millisecond timer out of sbcl to wrap factorial to answer your question, but i don't think there's anything native)
phf: !W (let ((t0 (get-internal-run-time))) (factorial 65536) (float (/ (- (get-internal-run-time) t0) internal-time-units-per-second)))
deedbot: what voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: whatisthis voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: whatisthis: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
whatisthis: im reading the trilema site. and I don't really understand what's going on. But I'm terribly intrigued to continue reading it
whatisthis: so, my question is my nick. what is this?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 06:02 mircea_popescu: pretty sure it simply drops non-ascii chars silently. which is the right thing at that.
whatisthis: yes. sell all of my stuff and contribute to TMSR however I can?
BingoBoingo: <whatisthis> yes. sell all of my stuff and contribute to TMSR however I can? << No, first tell up who your daddy is and what does he do
phf: whatisthis: trilema is some guy's personal blog. it kind of should be obvious from the format of things. typically when one discovers something, one should spend some time circling it, this way and that, trying to figure out its nature. you will gain very little by coming on "hey guyz! whacha doing here!!"
phf: it's a barn raising! you in? and then we'll have us a good ol' lynching!
mod6: <+asciilifeform> results of torture test: << thanks for posting your results.
mod6: I'll be spending some time this week to try to get adacore's stuff built into gentoo with gcc. not sure now how this will go, but will let you guys know.
mod6: perhaps if i can get that working, then I can use the -cflags -O2 thing alright without issues.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> nah everybody knows, first lynching, then barnraising << AHA, barn commemorates honored tree!
phf: "why would we use it to scan what you're asking us to scan, if we can just go and get the original, lulz"
BingoBoingo wonders if we have moved on yet from Axe Time, Sword Time on to Wind Time, Wolf Time
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the blessings of reals ;/ your value's right.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:31 asciilifeform: and no joak either -- if it drowns in the noise, there is no signal.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:50 whatisthis: so, my question is my nick. what is this?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:59 asciilifeform: but apparently this is one of those 5minuteattentionspan modern wonders.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685111 << obviously the purpose of the "asking" is the stroking of the implicit assumptions of equality baked in. the question isn't "what is this ?" but rather "hey, i know i'm a guy 100% interchangeable with any/all of youze, right, i can even pm mp if i feel like it, so say something to signify your agreement, whatever it is, when i ask you hey guys what is this ?"
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 21:02 asciilifeform: 'we're painting this old toyota' ?
mircea_popescu: which is kinda funny in that it's a question crafted to bother the asker.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in lulz of all time, some dork (arachni@email.gr / 139.59.30.233) put a bunch of "1"'`--" in vartious fields comments into trilema. BY HAND.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 14:43 mircea_popescu: sn0wmonster you're not here to learn. you're here to try and bludgeon the world into a shape your head may fit. this is the opposite of learning. learning is when you change.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect the -- is supposed to do something or the other to mysql. the rest is just a selection of terminators.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Portion of Zoo in operating condition as slimmed considerably
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: not the problem. my thing builds on both adacore's and trad gnu gnat. << yeah not sure what the problem is. it's a binary installation of gnat via apt-get, so that, i'm sure is part of the issue. however, it works better than the first ada configuration that I had, which, didn't work at all.
mod6: My thinking is that, if i need to be able to use all the switches ad denoted in your makefile (since my mine doesn't seem to allow for that), I may need the adacore configuration.
mod6: I'd be happy to try anything on my environment for you if it were to help sus out what might be wrong with it. I truly have no idea where to begin on this thing.
mod6: not even sure if that's possible... will look
mircea_popescu: mod6 possibly not aptgetting a binary but instead building source may fix it for you ?
mircea_popescu: it's not all that rare that precompiled binaries are incorrectly marked and don't actually run on specific setups
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yea, but one of those things, works if it works and doesn't if it doesn't.
mod6: i can, i guess, bundle all those deb packages and send 'em.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: plz repaste your barf << ok, shall I rerun your make, included with the fact.tar.gz ?
mod6: yup. totally unchanged. am posting...
mod6: np, thank you for the help!
mod6: im not sure what it doesn't like about 142, 146 -- they look like a lot of otherlines in ffa. so not sure what it thinks isn't kosher.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 possibly not aptgetting a binary but instead building source may fix it for you ? << yeah, this is always a bad idea. only reason i did it, was to get an ada env stood up quickly. i had a super weird problem on the first environment that I tried on. the gnat version didn't match the gcc version and was getting like non-determinstic errors.
mod6: so, as a trial, i set it up on my eulora box.
mod6: and, suprisingly it worked.
mod6: my goal is to get gnat setup on gentoo, but the main problem is there, you have to hand-roll the entire thing because the gnat package for gentoo requires gcc6
mod6: well, like I was saying in #trilema-mod6 around that same day was, perhaps we're going to need to start freezing some of the things required to stand up a gcc4+gnat4 if it becomes required. i have a fear that this shit will start to disappear eventually.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: the official adacore gnat installs in 3minutes, but with obvious caveat (you live with binarolade) << yeah, i see they do have bins, but was going to custom handroll my own, to not only get one sanely built for my own environment, but will also allow me to set whatever ./configure flags I might need for optimizations.
mod6: asciilifeform: yah, gentoo is looking for a package maintainer for gnat.
mod6: im more referring to the massive tarball that you get from adacore
mod6: it actually distributes a ton of inner packages (requirements) like, gcc, gdb, zlib, etc etc.
mod6: (instead of just being a tar of just it's own source0
mod6: i guess i didn't realize that, i thought you just, ofc, need a working gcc.
mod6: aha, ok. i get what you're sayin'
mod6: my apologies to anyone following along.
phf: presumably original version was assembled by jean ichbiah out of twigs, a simula compiler, a UNIVAC machine, a chicken, a wrench, a discarded truck tire. the process was documented in BUILD-PROC.TXT.3
mod6: ok, so i dropped on a binary install of adacore onto my gentoo environment here just to test...
mod6: will grab alf's fact.tar.gz nao, and see if it works.
mod6: asciilifeform: also, what's weird is, despite the errors in the last paste above, an 'ffa_fact' binary is still compiled.
phf: nah, lisp has been using the same image file since the early mccarthy days. each consecutive versions were implemented by manually patching the image file roughly into the needed shape all the way to present implementations
phf: kind of reminds me of those personal homepages of schizophrenics back in the early days of the internets
mircea_popescu: kinda reminds me of the various "cryptocurrencty" and "blockchain" communities.
mircea_popescu: in other sads, i spent most of the day at the local celebration, which included ~1000 horses. everything smells of manure.
mod6: oh, weird, i installed everything to /usr/local/gnat
mod6: and i already added: PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/gnat/bin to my ~/.bashrc
mod6: PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/gnat/bin; export PATH
mod6: <+phf> kind of reminds me of those personal homepages of schizophrenics back in the early days of the internets << scammers.
mod6: fwiw, if i just run `gnatmake ffa_fact`, does not error.
mod6: never did, that always seems to work. can't figure out why it says "gcc: error: language ada not recognized"
mod6: either way, think I should run the ffa_fact test?
phf: nah, you guys, there used to be sites, geocities style, made by actual schizophrenics. they were awesome. it was the kind of place where they discussed bildeberg and complained about the high doses of lithium or whatever prescribed by their doctor (who was taking direct orders from ronald reagan who was secretly still controlling the shadow government of the united states through the high concentration of ...)
mod6: see how long it takes? this is a core2duo (old box) with 4gb of ram
mod6: <+asciilifeform> if it runs... << ok will try
mircea_popescu: now they're fat girls raving about how they were almost raped by the subway.
phf: oh yeah, timecube, but that one is almost legit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect they're still there ; unfindable now because we stupidly decided to take google seriously.
mircea_popescu: when i was a child, i read a story, well written in the fantastic realist embryonic style. it contained a lamp for making darkness, which struck me then as the pinnacle of antipossible objects.
mircea_popescu: except, that is ~the only proper way to describe google.
mircea_popescu: it is the world's first, and to my knowledge the world's only, darkness making lamp.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> we might have to confiscate gentoo etc sooner rather than later. << It'll need renamed to keep pantsuitists from using
mod6: this box does nothing else other than just test builds/dev for trb, and is currently idle. should be a decent test. albiet much slower than the metrics collected with alf's i7 box.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:07 asciilifeform: 'Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4800MQ CPU @ 2.70GHz' : 153m7.214s
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo cuntoo, evidently. << i think this is a winner.
mircea_popescu: can have a logo of a cunt with two balls, like cartman's idea. cunt-o-o
trinque: asciilifeform: let ya know about the g5 gnat; haven't tried yet.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:08 asciilifeform: 'Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4870HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz' (Crapple MBP) : 155m57.246s
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: ram is 100% irrelevant here << not saying it isn't, trying to be more descriptive than "box". lol
BingoBoingo: Cunt, two balls, two shoes; for the stomping!
mod6: asciilifeform: nice
mod6: CPU0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7500 @ 2.93GHz
phf: i have to say cuntoo readers/sounds better than cuntshoo, easier to write, straight to the point, etc.
mircea_popescu: phf im not sure how the shoes cut in. BingoBoingo what's the shoe idea ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the funny thing with clitoral presentation is that both top and bottom are "naturally" just to different people!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well feet have balls and Cartman's cunts have balls. Also the oo sound. Why not have Cuntshoos. Very detective sounding like Gumshoe