mircea_popescu: you won't see 239 cuz it timeouts at 240 lol. and if you wait enough might even see 278.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-12#1626153 <<< argument clinic!!1
a111: Logged on 2017-03-12 03:11 mircea_popescu: nope.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-12#1626089 <<< this would be pretty cool, is also correct way to testnet
a111: Logged on 2017-03-12 02:25 ben_vulpes: hey, if genesis is programmable, can generate chains for testing on the fly
mircea_popescu: check it out internet boat hit mauritius
Framedragger: https://github.com/adlai/cjhunt << nothing original to add
Framedragger: oh shit clipboard
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-12#1626065 << nothing original to add
a111: Logged on 2017-03-12 01:58 ben_vulpes: anyways, having thought about "testing" trb, i am interested to hear what kinds of tests framedragger would write
Framedragger: agree with mircea_popescu re fuzzing any inputs (primarily transactions)
Framedragger: would be interesting to set up shitty-network-failure scenarios to see how 'antifragile' it is with regards to syncing up.
Framedragger: this would require a decently thought out testing framework (i don't mean shitty-web-framework, just, a systematized approach)
Framedragger: this would be decently-demanding undertaking though, so makes sense to start from simpler unit tests which e.g. simply check if hash/signature checking routines work well. would still be handy for regression testing during development / when code is added, etc.
mircea_popescu: yeah a blockchain-and-mempool testing harness would be a mighty fine item to have.
Framedragger: probably worth thinking about it more, it'd be quite a spiffy thing indeed... that said, i have a more general concern with time-sunk-cost-to-trb. i do wonder how realistic it is to expect a trb-i in the years to come. if it is, then working on shitty legacy trb codebase is opportunity cost par excellence :( ; but, maybe testing harness could be generic enough to be easily re-usable.
mircea_popescu: it's not just the direct effect ("generic enough to be re-usable"). much more important are the second order effects. (if you never went to school, you'd never even HAVE KNOWN what computers are, and consequently...) sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: it is a very false idea that what we say here "is in the open" and thereby "anyone could" etc. the prb devs can't, notwithstanding their own delusions of information and ability.
mircea_popescu: goes right into the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1625397
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 14:39 mircea_popescu: you ever go to school ? what usually happens there's a chick there that's really good pre-puberty. then she starts bleeding, and she skips some classes / homeworks / attentionpaying. and then... she can never catch back up again. because interlocking.
Framedragger: i see what you mean - knowledge gained on the problem space, processes with dealing with problems and researching this domain developed, etc.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: and the product of this ("obviousness") is reallyt the lest fungible item there is.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-12#1626220 << that thing requires prb to work
a111: Logged on 2017-03-12 14:44 Framedragger: https://github.com/adlai/cjhunt << nothing original to add
asciilifeform: !!up fake_space_whale
deedbot: fake_space_whale voiced for 30 minutes.
fake_space_whale: Is there an intro to trilema somewhere? I tried poking around the website and didn't find anything in my brief hunt.
asciilifeform: fake_space_whale: http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic
fake_space_whale: okay thanks.
mircea_popescu: ugh. between the blog and the log he didn't find anything ?!
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's a kickass article so there is that.
mircea_popescu: aaand in other lulz, https://archive.is/BNCIn
asciilifeform: lol!!
mircea_popescu: !~calc 7*10**9/27**4
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 7*10**9/27**4 = 13171.734962112445
mircea_popescu: fine illustration of birthday paradox. if names were 4 characters long and randomly distributed, there'd be 13k people with the same name
mircea_popescu: ~on average~
mircea_popescu: anyway, in other lulz, what is the winklevoss / silbert / etc usgian dorks claim to fame now ?
davout: mircea_popescu: why 27 ?
davout: !~calc 7*10**9/26**4
jhvh1: davout: 7*10**9/26**4 = 15318.091103252687
mircea_popescu: i got more letters apparently.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-slaves-of-1935/ << Trilema - The slaves of 1935
Framedragger: asciilifeform: OT and just grammar nitpicking, but in http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/sage_pill.py line 22, s/Could connect/Could not connect/
asciilifeform: Framedragger: ah lol
Framedragger: maybe not important enough to recalc and repub checksums heh
asciilifeform: Framedragger: you have a probe nao ?
Framedragger: asciilifeform: mno, this was a super random find, was going over some logs, re-read piece of your sage probe article, poked source out of curiosity
asciilifeform: lolk
asciilifeform currently occupied with printing FUCKGOATS manuals, colour laser
Framedragger: ahhh good stuff.
Framedragger patiently awaits merchandise from the master
asciilifeform: they're going out this week.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: cool deal!
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-12#1626094 << very nice! flight trail and star map correlation etc
a111: Logged on 2017-03-12 02:39 ben_vulpes: unrelolted: https://heatst.com/tech/he-will-not-divide-us-livestream-placed-in-middle-of-nowhere-but-4chan-still-found-way-to-troll-it/
Framedragger: "when 4chan / $an_internet sets his mind to something"
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com UPDATED!
asciilifeform: (scroll to end)
asciilifeform: ow fuck, html mutilation of the commands
asciilifeform boils with hatred
asciilifeform: fixed.
asciilifeform: i made the mistake of editing the text on a crapple shitintosh
asciilifeform: it shat orc glyphs into the ascii.
Framedragger: i really admire the amount of effort you took to carefully spell out ways of auditing the thing
Framedragger: ^ should be gold standard for hw vendors for all i know
asciilifeform: Framedragger: these are just basic tests. and distinct from the proper audit described in earlier text
asciilifeform: where you actually determine that the cpld follows the claimed logic.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i understand, but i mean the *detail*, etc. - it's a nice manual with everything spelled out for the user
Framedragger: right, right.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the auditability is the entire point of FUCKGOATS.
asciilifeform: and distinguishes it from literally every other rng in existence .
Framedragger: yes yes i understand, the cherry on top is that you make sure it's also *easy*.
asciilifeform: updated again.
mircea_popescu: yeah the find a flag by polaris story is pretty cool.
mircea_popescu: strongest rebuff i know of the whole "ustards, psssh." angle.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yeah, thourogh, isn't he.
Framedragger: for reals.
mircea_popescu: !!key euloraplayer
deedbot: Not registered.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/i-love-her-or-collection-des-billets-doux-cca-2017/ << Trilema - I love her, or, Collection des billets-doux cca 2017.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf i dug out my crate of dead bolix boards, turns out i'm a chump, the pcb in question was a dead xl1200 ~i/o~ board. the only cpu on it is what looks like a z80! 0 smbx silicon.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !!up euloraplayer
deedbot: euloraplayer voiced for 30 minutes.
euloraplayer: cool
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/UXoWH/?raw=true
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !!key euloraplayer
mircea_popescu: on it asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-13#1626296 << bwahgahah dude what. you're like... THE champion of making oneself look bad. it's livresque!
a111: Logged on 2017-03-13 00:13 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf i dug out my crate of dead bolix boards, turns out i'm a chump, the pcb in question was a dead xl1200 ~i/o~ board. the only cpu on it is what looks like a z80! 0 smbx silicon.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu never thought he had $object in treasure chest and then discovered that not ?
mircea_popescu: not usually after throwing an immense hissy fit, of dubious footing, which wasn't all that well received by teh very people in question! and then http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1625230
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 01:41 phf: asciilifeform: i don't think that's a wasted effort. i got in touch with zeptobars people again, and my current best option (since they said shipping to russia is maddness) is to travel moscows sometime in summer and hand deliver the chip. assuming that i have one, but i take it you're no longer interested since "snap4 source"
mircea_popescu: it's the context, not the substance, that controls here.
asciilifeform: 'hissy fit' was about something entirely else ?
mircea_popescu: you've a long way to come in ranting quality, m'boy!
asciilifeform: asciilifeform bought a massive pile of dead sbmx iron many years ago. thought that somewhere in it is $part. turns out 0.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform also has a ~working~ 3620 but it is useless for phf's purpose , it was implemented as massive pile of ttl and a few ~dozen~ gate arrays )
asciilifeform: https://www.okqubit.net/symbolics/dsc05367.jpg << not my photo, but i have this type
asciilifeform: https://www.okqubit.net/symbolics << other photos from same, he has same memory, i/o, etc. as my unit.
asciilifeform: ( if the cards look somewhat familiar to readers, it is because they are physically standard 'vme', as also seen on certain sun and other large machines of the period )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got it
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/97826E4EE4EB944382CB4FB00277D2EA7295DD8FBEFB3754C7A9AE0113985873 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1724...7137 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '109.242.75.252 (ssh-rsa key from 109.242.75.252 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (adsl-252.109.242.75.tellas.gr. GR 13 G)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/97826E4EE4EB944382CB4FB00277D2EA7295DD8FBEFB3754C7A9AE0113985873 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1697...3209 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '109.242.75.252 (ssh-rsa key from 109.242.75.252 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (adsl-252.109.242.75.tellas.gr. GR 13 G)
mircea_popescu: phuctor is like teh eternal flame of the republic by now
asciilifeform: !$ ssh 109.242.75.252
scriba: ssh banner of 109.242.75.252 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-8ubuntu1
asciilifeform: !!up adlai
deedbot: adlai voiced for 30 minutes.