BingoBoingo: Eh, there's always room to name flavors
mircea_popescu: and in other pools, http://68.media.tumblr.com/be57a88d478a19f420ba6bcd8a01c062/tumblr_ndvydn1kEV1u0ns10o1_1280.jpg
mod6: i need to go to that pool party
mircea_popescu: of course... her blocks are getting kinda full.
BingoBoingo: Well, rate limited scarcity!!!
mircea_popescu: should hambeast for great justice ?
mircea_popescu: "put down the fork and eat no more... eat no more..."
mircea_popescu: "eat no more shit..."
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/07/as-fake-news-hammers-russian-fanfiction-number-of-believers-crashes/ << Qntra - As Fake News Hammers Russian Fanfiction Number Of Believers Crashes
BingoBoingo: ^ related "eat no more shit..."
mircea_popescu: good thing the fake media has readership, otherwise it'd be like, less influential than trilema irl.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9B2B6BCD108A73255D7C96C56F4D05290FDCF0D4EB76182146B86644232D3EE8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1449...5427 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '22.214.171.124 (ssh-rsa key from 126.96.36.199 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (poseidon.zonemail.co.za. US NJ)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9B2B6BCD108A73255D7C96C56F4D05290FDCF0D4EB76182146B86644232D3EE8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1686...4417 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.8.131.52 (ssh-rsa key from 184.108.40.206 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (poseidon.zonemail.co.za. US NJ)
mircea_popescu: !!up fromdeedbot
deedbot: fromdeedbot voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: fromdeedbot: WHo is your daddy? What does he do?
mircea_popescu: in a shocking development
BingoBoingo: Maybe you shouldn't ground yourself if you don't want shocks?
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/07/columbia-university-settles-in-case-of-mattress-harassment-against-student/ << Qntra - Columbia University Settles In Case Of Mattress Harassment Against Student
mod6: asciilifeform: real 313m41.727s
mod6: the start of the number is 1D1CB6CEFC854C98FC338B0A2757950AE2F87 ...
mod6: im gonna re-run, see what it looks like second time.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4896C098CC22A82F9EBFCBF5DA65C1EA90B6525A51EC838B320C27F0CBB62C4C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1231...7439 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '220.127.116.11 (ssh-rsa key from 18.104.22.168 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE HE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4896C098CC22A82F9EBFCBF5DA65C1EA90B6525A51EC838B320C27F0CBB62C4C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1213...2489 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '22.214.171.124 (ssh-rsa key from 126.96.36.199 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE HE)
asciilifeform: soooo mod6 et al:
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:07 asciilifeform: 'Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4800MQ CPU @ 2.70GHz' : 153m7.214s
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:08 asciilifeform: 'Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4870HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz' (Crapple MBP) : 155m57.246s
asciilifeform: nao for some new:
asciilifeform: 'Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-1660 v3 @ 3.00GHz' : 221m26.876s
asciilifeform: i also got hold of a 'celeron', but that one is running STILL !
asciilifeform: oh, almost forgot, trial #2 of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685031 >>>> 298m12.551s
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:08 asciilifeform: 'AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2393 SE @ 3.1 GHz' : 298m6.240s
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685338 << mod6 please diff with the actual answer, at http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact_out.txt .
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 12:25 mod6: the start of the number is 1D1CB6CEFC854C98FC338B0A2757950AE2F87 ...
asciilifeform: live is too short to attempt to use eyeballs as diff.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6A7EA940DD01FFB67446D983270359E0A7B7D937312B63ADE36B17982CC8863B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1623...1337 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.8.131.52 (ssh-rsa key from 184.108.40.206 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (web03.luenecom.de. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6A7EA940DD01FFB67446D983270359E0A7B7D937312B63ADE36B17982CC8863B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1621...3919 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '220.127.116.11 (ssh-rsa key from 18.104.22.168 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (web03.luenecom.de. DE)
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685338 << mod6 please diff with the actual answer, at http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact_out.txt . << ok, will check it out and report back
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 12:25 mod6: the start of the number is 1D1CB6CEFC854C98FC338B0A2757950AE2F87 ...
mod6: thanks for the link.
asciilifeform: in other noose, 'Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU N2807 @ 1.58GHz' >>>> 840m49.075s
asciilifeform: 'Thumbnail generation for MSI files in GNOME Files executes arbitrary VBScript.' << run moar wingnomez!111
asciilifeform: 'Remedy (for users) Delete all files in /usr/share/thumbnailers....' << wai not 'remove gnome and all other poetteringware' ?? erlehmann
erlehmann: oh, i found a typo
erlehmann: asciilifeform gnome-core depends on nautilus.
erlehmann: this means kebab will be removed from premises
asciilifeform: wtf even is that
erlehmann: if you uninstall nautilus (the GNOME file manager), the majority of gnome follows suit
erlehmann: so my suggestion involves uninstalling it?
asciilifeform: straight to the furnace with ALL of it
asciilifeform: not 'majority'. ALL.
erlehmann: i have no wish to engage with gnome internals to find out HOW MUCH is uninstalled when you remove its core libraries
asciilifeform: just. don't. install. any.
erlehmann: as it would either mean reading about dependencies or installing gnome
erlehmann: both concepts i am not too fond of
asciilifeform: why is it on your box?!! to begin with
erlehmann: i read about the evince CVE
erlehmann: code execution in comic book parsers
erlehmann: and then i was like “other thumbnailers are surely as stupid”
erlehmann: and behold, i found a COPY of that CVE, in the source code of atril
erlehmann: copy & paste coding
erlehmann: also i found this vbscript goodness
asciilifeform: erlehmann: gnome etc. is same nsaware as the microshit icon-and-payload-loader garbage
erlehmann: then i stopped looking, as around a third of the thumbnail handlers had obvious issues and this topic bores me already.
erlehmann: i'd bet money that thumbnail handlers on every OS are uniformly garbage
asciilifeform: adult os dun have 'thumnail handler' or any such thing.
erlehmann: i don't need them anway, so why look more for stuff?
asciilifeform: or 'desktop', etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 13:11 shinohai: In btc phork lulz: https://github.com/btc1/bitcoin/issues/81
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685355 << he has a point. plus it seems to never work for me.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 13:32 asciilifeform: live is too short to attempt to use eyeballs as diff.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> erlehmann: gnome etc. is same nsaware as the microshit icon-and-payload-loader garbage << AHA! Very coordinated these pixels.
BingoBoingo: <erlehmann> i'd bet money that thumbnail handlers on every OS are uniformly garbage << Not all...
BingoBoingo: This is how pantsuit mind works "What could we undermine that CANNOT be done without? THUMBNAILER!!!"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685367 and also, http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/#selection-149.0-149.273
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 15:39 erlehmann: asciilifeform gnome-core depends on nautilus.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i suspect you're right, at that. because their niggers could never go outta da house without the bling.
erlehmann: for context: nautilus == gnome files
mircea_popescu: nautilus = ubuntu default file manager.
mircea_popescu: you can get ~any file manager to work with any x-skin, which is what kde gnome etc all are.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: To solve that problem your gotta edit /etc/niggers.txt
BingoBoingo: !up EIC
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo moar like change registry entry for AreUsANigger to 42.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, that's how people without any land do it. Registry isn't robust enough for active farm use though.
erlehmann: sorry, but when is a suit a pantsuit?
erlehmann: when a clinton or merkel wears it?
erlehmann: we have a word for that in german – hosenanzug
erlehmann: but i don't get the difference at all
mircea_popescu: erlehmann a pantsuit denotes a certain sort of female mind -- that puts the esteem of the female herd above the esteem of randomly chosen male.
mircea_popescu: it is the opposite behaviour of what they call a slut.
mircea_popescu: the girl who would say "i can't leave with you, i'm here with my friends", just like the boy that'd vote hillary, just like anyone who reads the fake news media, just like the drones in offices who never propositioned their coworkers for sex in the elevators == pantsuits.
erlehmann: get it
mircea_popescu: basically the socialist is he who has thought about the matter, and for his sins and utterly broken head has come to the conclusion that yes indeed, the problems of individuals are to be resolved by recoursew to groups ; whereas the pantsuit is he who has never stopped to consider, but instinctually or otherwise follows this herd.
BingoBoingo: ^ Pantsuit label attaches to behavior and ideology, is imposed upon guilty without regard for party affiliation
BingoBoingo: For its fiat counterweight see "IPP"
BingoBoingo: *fiat world
asciilifeform: meanwhile #2 of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685349 , with less extraneous load >>>> 202m2.191s .
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 13:26 asciilifeform: 'Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-1660 v3 @ 3.00GHz' : 221m26.876s
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fluid dynamics, http://68.media.tumblr.com/549a7055863498f494a3599da64e2876/tumblr_oeypelGVbk1sytl3wo1_400.gif
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685400 <<< >>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-13#1669650 !
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 17:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685367 and also, http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/#selection-149.0-149.273
a111: Logged on 2017-06-13 22:37 asciilifeform: end result is to be a vaguely msdos-like thing that understands how to configure x64 page table, put/get blocks of disk, and speak over rs232 port. and on top of this, a self-building gnat.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell EIC wouldja stop with the join/part spam
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha this stupid bitch was even almost-raped!!11
mircea_popescu: harriette fucking wilson, the apodictical modern girl of the 1800s. just like deep throat she traded all she could for attention as a young ugly woman, and then grown old and growing upset at having derived altogether too little in unearned rents from the entire affair, moved on to trying to attention whore out of the perceived injustice of it all.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gotta ask, what exactly is an ~earned rent~
mircea_popescu: the greatest boy born every year is entitled by the fact of his greatness to eager service of a good majority of the girls similarily born. this is an earned rent -- by right of birth.
mircea_popescu: the man who, walking into a room, overpowers all present, is entitled, by right of force, to whatever he may extract.
mircea_popescu: all rents are earned but by the whiners.
asciilifeform: and the slippiest pickpocket , to all of their wallets, also ?
mircea_popescu: that is the objection -- that she sucks. she wasn't ever any good, and yet hallucinates entitlements for herself.
asciilifeform: why even remembered, if not anygood
asciilifeform: iirc subj was a whore..?
asciilifeform: i have nfi anybody memorialized badwhores
mircea_popescu: not even. she was../. what do you call those japanese schoolgirls that go have diner with lame "businessmen" so the other lame businessmen can see them ?
asciilifeform: enjo kosai
mircea_popescu: no actual fucking, just this very superficial sort of escort service. there, ty.
asciilifeform: though iirc enjo kosai fuck . you're thinking of ameritard 'wingman'
mircea_popescu: this flourished in a time when high born men were shockingly stupid, and she is not remembered. a litany of their names arranged by unclean hands is still, (and only by the most antiquarianly minded) reviewed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all women will fuck on occasion. point being there's no fuck on the bill of fare, as with whores.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, this is the important point here : there may or may not have been a stupid cunt / sack of flesh with the label "harriette wilson" at one point or another. this is ireelevant to anything. a collection of stupidities of people in a meanwhile defunct wot has received, FOR NO REASON, and through coincidental cause, the "same" label. it is not same in any meaningful sense. this is the fate of the various harriet
mircea_popescu: te wilsons : that "their" name shall be used as label, though it wasn't their name nor were they ever anything.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 13:29 asciilifeform: oh, almost forgot, trial #2 of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685031 >>>> 298m12.551s
mircea_popescu: an entirely unrelated process, whereby lord newton's name is used to denote lord newton's work makes the untrained mind confuse the foregoing for "some kind of this", and imagine "harriette lives through her work"
mircea_popescu: she does not.
asciilifeform: herostratus lol
asciilifeform: funnily enough, his sentence of damnatio memoriae seems to be finally taking effect -- i've yet to meet the usa-born folx who know who subj was
mircea_popescu: yes we call it "hariette wilson's memoirs", but it has no author just like a collection of peasant ballads have no author. the point of interest is that fred lamb or argyle didn't pay to not be named, whereas the early pantsuit ally http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684405 did.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 17:57 mircea_popescu: he could as well be their fucking patron saint, the party of vaux.
asciilifeform: waiwat how did vaux 'pay to not be named' ?
mircea_popescu: the publisher of "harriette wilson" memoirs wrote to all people named to give them the option to pay and have their names elided.
asciilifeform: interesting business model.
mircea_popescu: this was legal in 1800, and that happenstance combined withtheir batshit insane attitude towards the women clearly paints the picture of a rotten expire.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: insane how
mircea_popescu: i'm writing an article about it, but at the gist -- allowing one who is neither productive on their own (ie, as a black box) nor competend to examination any degree of autonomy whatsoever.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685436 << life-as-neverending-wrestling-match is a very expensive thing, that afaik was not lived out in practice by anybody at all -- samurai included. in practice everybody does some combination of actually squaring off and 'fleet in being'. which eventually converges to britain.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 18:54 mircea_popescu: the man who, walking into a room, overpowers all present, is entitled, by right of force, to whatever he may extract.
mircea_popescu: if they let cows graze where they will, opening and closing doors for them and cleanning up after them, you'd term the arrangement insane. the way most people keep "pets" is insane.
mircea_popescu: this is what they did to women, and it was just as insane.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform does not converge to britain except among the stupid.
mircea_popescu: converges to one hell of a party among the smart.
asciilifeform: i haven't been to the smartpeopleplanet
asciilifeform: so have nfi.
mircea_popescu: you missed out 90s in your native lands.
asciilifeform: i see 0 smart about 90s. orgy of sofa burn.
mircea_popescu: and that -- was a horrible thing to miss.
asciilifeform: 'only good party is powered by burning sofa' ?!
mircea_popescu: everything is always powered by burning sofa my good man. the us of today is powered by burning sofa designed by hamilton ; while the china of today is powered by burning sofa designed by confucius.
mircea_popescu: wherever you turn, a sofa burns.
asciilifeform: at some point somebody gotta make new sofa neh
mircea_popescu: stalin's industrializatrion fires were stoked by litographs of the batiushka tzar ; and napoleon's grandee armee was powered by the invisible machinery of richelieu and mazarin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nobody has yet made a new sofa, nor will they.
mircea_popescu: the only point that makes a difference is who burns the sofas, and how they do it.
asciilifeform: how does it make a difference ?
mircea_popescu: the sofas, to be clear, are teh young women and teh young men who aspire to them. the former will graze, and in between their legs which run perl sofas constantly grow to be burned.
mircea_popescu: now -- when old women do the burning, you get a lot of choking smoke and very little fire.
mircea_popescu: a miserable mode.
mircea_popescu: and contrary to old woman pretense, a mode actually preferred by no-one.
asciilifeform: if i didn't know better, i'd think mircea_popescu were an escapee from egypt or usa. in su 'old woman' counted for 0.
asciilifeform: could not possibly have worked on this model.
mircea_popescu: whole fucking pantsuit ideology being an endless repeat of the ridiculous cycle of 1. saint pantsuit told us everyone loves raymond ; 2. apparently nobody can stand raymond ; 3. wut do ? which you know, "gotta educate teh public abou raymond" etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is VERY MUCH not so.
asciilifeform: unless 'old woman' is term of art here, and does not refer to actual oldwoman
mircea_popescu: look at how polite and shy phf is and you'll see the hands of old woman all over society.
mircea_popescu: no, it is a term of art that DOES refer to actual old woman.
asciilifeform: i thought that was just from smoking too much hookah
mircea_popescu: perhaps it is.
asciilifeform: 'И, склонясь в дыму кальяна На цветной диван, У жемчужного фонтана Дремлет Тегеран' (tm)(r)(lermontov)
mircea_popescu: but lets not talk of the absent, and instead fish it out of your own log lines.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-14#1643375 << who do you think is responsible for wall rug ? granpa or granma ?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-14 00:41 asciilifeform: in classical su rug like this is 1) on floor 2) on wall (usually next to bed)
asciilifeform: whoever scored it on the market one day, presumably
mircea_popescu: but the ~thought~. the mental space where this notion fits, who made that vacuole ? who maintains it ?
mircea_popescu: who, in the dispute between "we shall move, this place is too cold to live in, and to ugly to boot" provided the "solution" ?
asciilifeform: move where, lol
mircea_popescu: to the other world, obviously.
asciilifeform: still living in this mental space of choices.
mircea_popescu: who still has business to attend in this one ?
mircea_popescu: who knows which perfectly fine way the bread is right and which perfectly fine way the bread is terrible ? who approves or disapperoves of the young girl's curtsy ?
mircea_popescu: who even gives a shit, at all, about the things ?
mircea_popescu: who knoes, or notices, whether the three year old should be naked outdoors or not ? who counts the gray of linens to make comments in church ?
asciilifeform gets the drift
mircea_popescu: no but i shall insist for the rest ofg the day, because not only do i have a whole silo of these things, but, importantly, it is THE PILE not the item that makes the point.
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu himself had observation where 'not the fault of the spring, for being springy, if the ratchet broke'
mircea_popescu: i am not proposing fault ; but responsibility.
mircea_popescu: old women make terrible parties, and that's all there is to it.
asciilifeform: they make ok preflight checklist tho.
mircea_popescu: if alloyed.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, left to their own devices, they make preflight lists consisting of 1. do not fly and then an endless enumerations of items to avoid the reader ever finishing his evaluation of the list.
asciilifeform: they keep these annoying yappydogs too
mircea_popescu: the poor darlings would starve without.
mircea_popescu: whole generation of dorks and dupes whined in unison "COOOOOME .... AAAS YOU ARE!!!!!" and what, i'm supposed to not notice what that was all about ?
mircea_popescu: "we have to prepare for having a child!" "you prepare, bitch, i'm already as erect as im gonna get."
a111: Logged on 2014-12-08 17:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://yarchive.net/med/social_osteoporosis.html << related hypothesis
mircea_popescu: contemporary anthropology, as a day-to-day endeavour, suddenly ended one day in the 90s when they finally saw pulp fiction. the heard s l jackson go "if my answers scare you, stop asking scary questions" and there was a collective sigh from the entire fucking profession.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-perennial-harriette-wilson/ << Trilema - The perennial Harriette Wilson.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'heavens own her a debt' --> owe ??
asciilifeform: meanwhile #3 of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685423 >> 179m53.647s ( loaded with naught but the benchmarkthing )
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 17:39 asciilifeform: meanwhile #2 of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685349 , with less extraneous load >>>> 202m2.191s .
mircea_popescu: btw, someone make a txt of the list of all factorials up to say 65536 and publish it on yer blog. it dun seem to exist online.
asciilifeform: and sooo it turns out that the current champ horse, from among the x86 runners, is...
asciilifeform: a 'lenovo w540' lappy.
asciilifeform: ( and not the much larger, costlier comps )
asciilifeform: race included, e.g., dulap.
asciilifeform: turns out the initial suspicion was correct, memory bandwidth is the ~sole determinant.
asciilifeform: now for somebody to run on non-x86.
asciilifeform: ( anybody got a, e.g., mips64, that ain't otherwise booked ?? )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you want decimal or hex factorials ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/oV3pr/?raw=true << gives decimal
mircea_popescu: either should be fine. hex less space, decimal easier for total noobs.
mircea_popescu: a nice.
asciilifeform: ( not very efficient proggy, but uses minimum of code not-posted-before-nao )
asciilifeform: it's about half-done here.
asciilifeform: i suppose we post times-tables next....
mircea_popescu: what can you do.
mircea_popescu: "everything is online".
mircea_popescu: "really ? factorial table ?" "no i meant, fanfic about simpson episodes" "ah ok then"
asciilifeform: yeah i went to look for one the other day and headache
mircea_popescu: very acultural world, this anglotardlandia.
asciilifeform: this thing promises to be north of 500MB when done
mircea_popescu: so like a sex tape
asciilifeform: old secam sextape
asciilifeform: 'пал рим, и пал секам...' (tm)(r)( asciilifeform's brother )
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record, "oh, and what is the use of storing 500mb when i can calculate this in seconds" : because, dumbass, you might want as we wanted TO HAVE SOMETHING TO COMPARE YOUR CALCULATIONS TO.
mircea_popescu: bs "what is the point of star maps, you can just look out the window".
asciilifeform: addition table!111
mircea_popescu: actually used to exist.
asciilifeform: anybody recall when i proposed a 'cpu' made 98% by weight of old roms ?
asciilifeform: you can do almost anything via lookup table.
asciilifeform: ( the endgame of this method, of course, is illustrated here -- http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1380077 )
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 19:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when i was a small boy, my elder brother taught me a lesson once:
mircea_popescu: sure, culture is not intended to be either a prison or an answer (these haven't yet been unglued). nevertheless, the young man who does not understand why have cameras in the bedroom when mirrors suffice is the fundamental anticultural agent.
mircea_popescu: "but you can't film everything" "of course not" "the noise is distracting" "Youi'll get used to it" "but why!" "you'll see."
asciilifeform: i dungetit, people tripped over each other's heads in the hurry to buy cameras for bedroom, toilet, etc
asciilifeform: who was it who said 'eh mirror suffices' ?
asciilifeform: dunno if today you can buy even electric mop without a camera.
mircea_popescu: ironically -- me :) but that's a different story.
mircea_popescu: it is STILL the fundamental anticultural agency.
mircea_popescu: consider though, how easily it flips on its head. mp recommends blogging, which was fashionable like cameraing was at some point, but no longer. and "you can't film everything stays the same", and "but the noise is distracting" morphs into "but i am afraid my well hidden shortcvomings which nobody can otherwise observe may be exposed" and who's teh anticultural nao.
mircea_popescu: !!up user705
deedbot: user705 voiced for 30 minutes.
user705: cool pop in here for first time and MP is here
mircea_popescu: im generally here.
user705: what be the proper way to ask questions
mircea_popescu: just ask
user705: is your view on the segwit lite that seems to be bandied about as the solution same as segwit2x which is just outright wrong?
mircea_popescu: you'll have to unwrap that into something that makes sense. say what ?
user705: the hard fork that was proposed by idiots who claimed to be the economic majority but forgot to sign their BTC balances to actually prove that is obviously a non starter
user705: but what is your view on just the segwit part?
user705: is that still considered to be a block size increase and therefore will lead to a lot of pain for many?
mircea_popescu: let's approach the easier end of this. the necessary precondition for any fork succieeding on the bitcoin network was set forth last year : http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/
mircea_popescu: no fork will succeed that does not satisfy that.
user705: hmm I read a lot of trilemma must've missed that one
mircea_popescu: inexplicably, as the dorks made a lot of noise about it then and have studiously pretended to have forgotten all about it ever since, as if that's how this works now.
asciilifeform reread the piece and ended up in the old luby thread, lol
mircea_popescu: not a half bad idea at that.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> very acultural world, this anglotardlandia. << AHA, not even AGRIcultural anymore
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, i have not since found a better pill, nor afaik has anyone else.
asciilifeform: i suspect that it is The Right Thing.
mircea_popescu: nor has the matter been seriously considered by actual thinkers.
mircea_popescu: just the periodic herd wank on turner's captive cow sites.
BingoBoingo: user705: Also, see recent new coverage on Qntra http://qntra.net/2017/07/drama-heats-up-as-fiatbitcoin-interfaces-prepare-for-next-round-of-fork-failures/ and most recently http://qntra.net/2017/07/usg-domain-squatters-hype-soon-to-fail-luke-jrxt-fork/
user705: I did
user705: that's why I decided to finally go to the source
mircea_popescu suspected as much
BingoBoingo: Ah, then perhaps read older Qntra too? Not much has changed since 2015. Enemies of Bitcoin simply cycling through new names as old ones burn credibility
BingoBoingo: Hence going all the way back to 2013 scammer Luke-jr
BingoBoingo: That's how many names have been burned
user705: the instinctual understanding is that hardfork is obviously bad but the way this new softfork was being sold I guess I got bamboozled a bit
mircea_popescu: kinda why the entire fake media exists in the first place.
mircea_popescu: sanity apparently doesn't hold up well to insistent stupidity.
whaack: the idea that segwit is safer because it is a "soft fork" is nonsense. during a hard fork one can vote with their coins. soft forks are a sneak attack to add a new rule on the part of the miners.
user705: stupidity has infinite hitpoints someone once said
mircea_popescu: they did.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the paradigmatic "soft fork" is "we will not mine transactions involving 1Terrorists address". permitting any other one is simply going towards this at whatever pace and from whatever distance.
mircea_popescu: all soft forks are temporary ; and WILL be unwound.
a111: Logged on 2015-12-28 18:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1355361 << quite. all this verbiage about how "oh lalala, if miners stop enforcing X fork they will be excluded" fails to account for the fact that unlike the various PRBs, TRB does NOT actually implement any of the soft forks. so no, they won't be "excluded". nobody will notice they stopped.
mircea_popescu: !!up user705
deedbot: user705 voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was thinking, at some point really gotta write up the luby-pow thing into a proper algo
user705: how would one mine on the correct chain or would it not be possible because of pools?
mircea_popescu: user705 you would mine then as you mine now. if you're pool mining, select a pool that isn't scamming you then , just as you would now.
mircea_popescu: the notion that 1 august bears any relevancy is entirely borne out of spending too much time on social media.
mircea_popescu: well, "social media". usg's astroturf for its own sheeple. much like you know, the notion that "embargo of russia" or "recapture of mosul -- two weeks starting in 2016", the sort of ideas with no further substance than "i really watch too much tv"
user705: unfortunately true. have to work hard to change. mining now is an unprofitable venture. but with this fork would coinbase transactions be impacted? no right? but pools would pay out from that so how would it work when it all unwinds?
mircea_popescu: i'm not sure what you're asking. if i send a bitcoin to someone, no third party can do anything to it.
mircea_popescu: do you mean, coinbase as in mining rewards ?
mircea_popescu: a block will still pay what it pays now.
mircea_popescu: at least afaik they've not yet built up the cheek to pretend to change that part.
user705: to the pool then on to individual miners
mircea_popescu: if you use a pool.
mircea_popescu: so, ample opportunity for the entrepreneurial -- start a pool that's not a scam, if all others are, or you perceive they might be.
user705: so with bigger blocks vs smaller blocks the clusterfuck will be epic
mircea_popescu: ~nothing observable will happen.
asciilifeform: nothing observable to ~people~ -- i.e. folx using trb -- yes. to redditus running gavincoin etc - thermonukokalypse
mircea_popescu: i thought wediditreddit was ~weekly eveny anyway, in their own little cesspool.
user705: how would the endgame unfold? this "soft" fork will just become a hard fork. right or how would it unwind?
whaack: It's been "the critical moment for a fork" since I've known about btc
mircea_popescu: far as i can tell, people who can't retain employment will whine about it for the next two weeks as if it were a thing, then the date will come, nothing whatsoewver will happebn, and they'll just move on to whining about some other pie in the sky
mircea_popescu: in preference of saying "i was a fucktard and i shall not be a fucktard any longer".
mircea_popescu: ie, path of least resistance.
mircea_popescu: mahahahaybe a few of them will actually manage to find a job instead of dicking around online, but it seems unlikely. who wants to employ an idle ustard and what useful could they do ?
mircea_popescu: but at any event -- i do not care what bitcoin client joe reddit "uses". he has no money in the first place ; and even if he had money he has nothing interesting to do with them. sloshing the payola back and forth from one usg pocket to another is scarcely worth wasting paper, let alone bitcoin ledger.
mircea_popescu: jane reddit may care, or at the least pretend to care what bitcoin client joe reddit uses, in obvious exchange of joe reddit pretending to care about "that one time she was almost raped".
mircea_popescu: but they, both joint and several, can't possibly influence the world.
user705: Bitmain seemed pretty serious with it's footstomping though
mircea_popescu: and not because it would be racist to try ; but because they are impotent.
mircea_popescu: user705 so ?
mircea_popescu: bitmain can either make bitcoin miners or not make bitcoin miners. this isn't evben a choice -- for as long as they can they'll make, and once they become irrelevant they won't make. whether they also whine with it or not... who cares.
user705: true but they certainly can try to cut off the nose to spite the face so to speak
mircea_popescu: so let them. if it works we needed a new bitcoin anyway.
mircea_popescu: and if it doesn't work, it'll just be case #517 or whatever the count is at of self important ustard dorks.
mircea_popescu: how's "the toomim brothers" doing these days ?
mircea_popescu: still wheelin' an' dealin' teh blockchain seas ?
shinohai: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/zmvg58/hacker-allegedly-steals-dollar74-million-in-ethereum-with-incredibly-simple-trick <<< This is so hilarious I almost wrote it up ....
mircea_popescu: next step on ethereum's fascinating journey being "the one weird trick hacker used to make 74 trillion"
asciilifeform: also pgp never existed, apparently
asciilifeform: nor is there such a thing as a signature
asciilifeform: in fact we are in a everettiverse where nobody invented publickey
mircea_popescu: outbrain eagerly awaits the brainchild of mit, or, to quote, "She does stink. And she should quit. But I don't want it to be because of me. It should be the traditional route. Years of rejection and failure until she's spit out the bottom of the porn industry."
asciilifeform: best part : 'In the official Coindash Slack channel, the app's developers wrote that all investors, even if they sent funds to the phony address, will receive tokens. "All CoinDash investors will get their tokens," the developers wrote in Slack. "We are working to solve the situation."'
asciilifeform: dilutola just as good as original scam!!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is actually true in their case.
mircea_popescu: !~calc 0*75 = 0*70
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: 0*75 = 0*70
mircea_popescu: well jhvh1 look into the official coindash slack channel then
mircea_popescu: impotence is teh least racist of all!
mircea_popescu: !!up Floog
deedbot: Floog voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: floog who are you again ?
floog: some dude who found your blog and found the conversation interesting enough to lurk
mircea_popescu: i see.
mircea_popescu: incidentally alf dilutola would make a great postapocalyptic fizz
mircea_popescu: if you ever make fallout-alf...
BingoBoingo: lol, could be great pet-project
mircea_popescu: !!up daffadil
deedbot: daffadil voiced for 30 minutes.
floog: im trying to understand the purpose of V.from the python code it seems like some sort of interpersonal network tool, but that's about as far as i've been able to get
mircea_popescu: no, it's a versioning system
a111: Logged on 2015-08-31 07:10 deedbot-: [Trilema] No Such lAbs releases V for Victory. - http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-releases-v-for-victory/
BingoBoingo: To be fair, V is the premier tool for anti-social networking
asciilifeform: floog: see also http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system .
asciilifeform: probably best, to date, n00b tutorial on subj
daffadil: "Friendship" is just a transient software patch that we install on one another.
mircea_popescu: how's the sv scene ?
daffadil: Pretty chill right now ~
floog: ill take a look
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good noose : list of factorials 0..65536 is here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bad noose : 9G
asciilifeform: want it /
asciilifeform: ( folx who followed the stirling thread, should not be surprised )
asciilifeform: aite, i'ma gzip & upload.
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/xbK3i/?raw=true << proggy it was output of.
asciilifeform: ( any other method, is impractically slow )
asciilifeform: 'we dunno WHY you asked for 9,000 defective transistors, but for your convenience we have packaged them here separately!'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have a plan.
mircea_popescu: actually, let's save on teh upload and tell you the plan :
mircea_popescu: lettuce create a bitmap image 1024px wide, 32 bit color depth, so that each factorial is followed by a white line, and each pixel from left to right contains 3 bytes of data.
mircea_popescu: that "abstract art" work we shall call the colors of factorial.
asciilifeform: gonna snip the 0s or not ?
mircea_popescu: leading 0s yes.
mircea_popescu: late 0s no.
asciilifeform: there ain't any leading 0s, wtf
asciilifeform: ( exercise for reader: prove that 'factorials.txt' will consist %% of late 0s. what is %% ? and is it independent of base ? )
floog: okay, that makes a lot more sense now
asciilifeform: floog: what did you think v was ? and from where did you hear of it ?
mircea_popescu: some github i'd guess.
asciilifeform: that doesn't explain how he'd end up here.
floog: i was reading http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/ which linked to a blog, which linked to trilema
mircea_popescu: o was that rochard's thing ?
BingoBoingo: Rochard's thing that occasionally archives pete
BingoBoingo: !!up floog
deedbot: floog voiced for 30 minutes.
floog: i thought it had more to do with tracking people in your wot, which ive just become barely familiar with. but i only briefly skimmed the V.py implementation
floog: a brief skim clearly wasnt enough
mircea_popescu: yes, the ample towers and bridges of the most serene republic's capitol may take a while to mentally unwrap.
mircea_popescu: sina's actually working on something closer to your original idea, gossipd.
floog: ive been looking for something to mentally unwrap, so it seems ive stumbled into the right place
mircea_popescu: oh and consider registering your key so you can voice.
mircea_popescu: see bots.contravex, re deedbot
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fct.txt.gz , sha512==5edb867b1a3c7eac1cc3c1e2eddb8c501958f018a98af0d99fa35501c6697269b78f18c7a3d7857efcef313ed6c2410876aca00de51209cf77063d5a6e49f594
asciilifeform: ( ~4G gzipped )
mircea_popescu: looks lkike 4 hrs
asciilifeform: took 5min to upload..
mircea_popescu: what's the format like ? will hafta write a converter
asciilifeform: exactly 65536 ascii lines
mircea_popescu: a perfect.
asciilifeform: each containing a decimal num.
asciilifeform: terminated by ln.
asciilifeform: is all.
mircea_popescu: very nice.
deedbot: 7B308B69A7CD283E3B7549DBE9B833266594AD15 is already registered as floog.
mircea_popescu: ah ?
mircea_popescu: !!gettrust deedbot floog
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
floog: hm... did i do it already?
mircea_popescu: apparently ?
mircea_popescu: try !!up
deedbot: You may not $up yourself.
mircea_popescu: a sec
mircea_popescu: !!rate floog 1 perhaps he's stumbled into the right place
mircea_popescu: !!v 189E07B50F03BF618F2E0437D6490449184B1DD31D1ACA9E6189A1CA399D3602
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated floog 1 << perhaps he's stumbled into the right place
mircea_popescu: floog try nao
floog: !!v 4F41A7CF723A1E05E19D827D600AE03F470F599E475287F2C3BC01275DB26499
deedbot: You are now voiced in #trilema
mircea_popescu: so there you go.
floog: http://cascadianhacker.com/how-to-actually-learn-programming seems like a good next step for me
mircea_popescu: it works if you work it.
mircea_popescu: you know, if it seems a good next step then it likely is.
floog: well, the intro seems all too relevant to my current situation as a "software engineer" at a hightraffic clickbait website
mircea_popescu: you poor soul.
floog: at least it pays for the whale of student debt from the private uni that my parents convinced me was a good investment
mircea_popescu: you poor soul!
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1821&cpage=1#comment-18258 << in other lulz
floog: emphasis on 'poor'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heh i guess you're the internets sageprobe authority. cuz everything is online and mit keeps churning out experts
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: original vendor's site loooong gone. so -- apparently yes
mircea_popescu: in truth avbout half engineering careers of any brightness started with a 15yo in a junkshop going " i wonder if worth "
asciilifeform: the demise of sage co. is imho an interesting thing. afaik amd very specifically killed it -- locked the debug port, as explained in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552690
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.
asciilifeform: about the same time as when amd stopped contributing to 'coreboot'
asciilifeform: ( i.e. when nsa was tightening the bolts , unifying the 'we control the vertical and horizontal' thing )
asciilifeform: heya mod6
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685337 << second run on same environment was 'real 313m33.341s'; results of the diff between my 65536! and yours: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xxuX9/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 12:23 mod6: asciilifeform: real 313m41.727s
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685355 << he has a point. plus it seems to never work for me. << noted
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 13:32 asciilifeform: live is too short to attempt to use eyeballs as diff.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, takes this box longer to sha, or to gzip, than it takes to download.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: bad noose : 9G << heh, ok pr0n dvd
mircea_popescu: and in other "a proper weight has its advantages", http://68.media.tumblr.com/7c1877d605646a19a6befb96c5cfbadc/tumblr_ogygp6HaoA1r2sy0fo1_540.gif
mod6: <+asciilifeform> exactly 65536 ascii lines << sweet
mod6: some proper anal right there
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry ? pooper what you say ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> that "abstract art" work we shall call the colors of factorial. << this sounds interesting
floog: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685784 why is the blue version better than the red version of 'applied crypto'?
mod6: ben_vulpes lays it out there eh?
mod6: there've been a bunch of threads on it in the logs.
floog: well, it just says 'redacted the actual goodies'
mod6: hehe, i just stumbled across this: http://btcbase.org/log/2013-10-12#349139 and http://btcbase.org/log/2013-10-12#349209
mircea_popescu: phf is a111 sick ?
mod6: damn these old logs.
mod6: fun to read this stuff
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A61681083D411A69B9D431A7AB342C455D3533E16F186CD6D87C1328471F3838 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1741...1867 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '22.214.171.124 (ssh-rsa key from 126.96.36.199 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (geosinteh.com. UA 30)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A61681083D411A69B9D431A7AB342C455D3533E16F186CD6D87C1328471F3838 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1542...3683 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.8.131.52 (ssh-rsa key from 184.108.40.206 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (geosinteh.com. UA 30)
mircea_popescu: and in other great suits, http://68.media.tumblr.com/9c99afcae815353714400dea7e4a744f/tumblr_od3e4rJaKf1u5gkkao1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: <floog> at least it pays for the whale of student debt from the private uni that my parents convinced me was a good investment << Get fiat poor, stop paying, admit powerlessness. You are at rock bottom. Your bankruptcy now is not a financial one, but a moral and spiritual one. However THERE IS A SOLUTION!
BingoBoingo: <floog> emphasis on 'poor' << Next come to believe that a HIGHER POWER (perhaps one your came here to unwrap) can restore you to sanity
BingoBoingo: !!up badD00d
deedbot: badD00d voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: badD00d: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
badD00d: my daddy, for your fucking information is.... alive and well
BingoBoingo: <mod6> some proper anal right there << Also great example of the importance of selecting the woman for ergonomics.
badD00d: question for the TRB node running gentlemen
BingoBoingo: Well, that's somewhat informative.
badD00d: will TRB nodes start rejecting blocks whenever BIP91 or other bologna segwit proposals gain the majority hashing power?
BingoBoingo: TRB will continue accepting valid blocks
asciilifeform: and rejection liquishit tomorrow just as it did yesterday.
asciilifeform: dun matter what kind.
badD00d: right, and I respect that. I guess I am wondering when you think the majority of hashing power will start agreeing on non-legit shit blocks?
badD00d: like at some point, the shitty masses are going to start consuming their fake shitty blocks.
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: they're consuming teh fiat dollars as it is, doesn't seem to have much impact on anything.
badD00d: I am wondering if you have an estimation as to when this will be and as a second questions (if TRB nodes will be the ONLY non-shit accepting nodes, or if you think there are other groups of people running nodes that will side with your nodes and continue rejecting shit
mircea_popescu: your question is ill posed. if tomorrow a large enough collection of idiots decides to call making hooky "bitcoin", this will be great and good and entirely uninteresting for bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: if the us fed starts printing "one hundred bitcoin" bills instead of the current one hundred dollar bills, this'll also do ~nothing as far as nayone is concerned.
mircea_popescu: the notion that bitcoin can somehow by stolen by name is so ridoinculous as to betray its ustardian origins. bitcoin is not a name.
BingoBoingo: badD00d: TRB now WILL accept segwit blocks, but it will not parse the segwit'd portion as anything other than "anyone can spend"
floog: BingoBoingo: I'm going to keep paying my bills, i'd rather not get rammed by the USG when it comes after its money. im cool with everything else though
mircea_popescu: apparently the "it REALLY doesn't matter what you do" point is entirely incomprehensible to teh esl.
mircea_popescu: floog the only reason you're not getting rammed is that you don't have anything worth stealing.
BingoBoingo: floog: Nah, that's the thing. If you make yourself fiat poor THEY en-PRIVILEDGE YOU
BingoBoingo: The solution is get poor, stack up some turkeys, and blow the joint
badD00d: anyway, thanks for putting up with my questions
floog: where do get turkeys? where do run after turkeys acquired?
mircea_popescu: ikr ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at dedicated slut camp, http://68.media.tumblr.com/78838a7a2be17a5c7d1032186851423c/tumblr_myflcjUUTE1qjhn09o1_400.gif
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu or anybody ever so far bothered to count the total coin presently sitting in 'anyonecanspend' ?
asciilifeform: probably even nao a pretty good haul for the first serious miner to break cartel and unwind the 'soft' liquishit
mircea_popescu: (echo "obase=16" ; cat fct.txt) | bc >> fact-hex.txt works as expected to convert btw.
asciilifeform: oughta, neh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sorta job each miner gotta do for himself neh ?
mircea_popescu: eventually, i expect they will.
asciilifeform: i can already almost smell the shat pants
mircea_popescu: thing is, time builds only one way on that.
mircea_popescu: the taller the tower of shit, the certainer the doom.
asciilifeform: and the moar spectacular.
asciilifeform: though i imagine the plan of the pantshits is to cement the 'soft' fork as hard, somehow
asciilifeform: before day-x
mircea_popescu: eh, plans.
mircea_popescu: "we'll call it classic and pretend like it's totally different in our fakenews rags"
mircea_popescu: that's a plan.
asciilifeform: iirc prb already is written to reject blocks that attempt to 'illicitly' spend the perfectly legitimately anyonecanspendolade
asciilifeform: so technically already forked, long ago, only latently.
mircea_popescu: sooooo ?
asciilifeform: petrol poured, only needs match.
mircea_popescu: by this understanding of forking, everyone running a bitcoin node on a box that's lost internet connection "forked"
asciilifeform: 1 d00d with borked modem is 1 d00d , 9000 is a northkr
asciilifeform: possibly model is the latter.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's quite evident and not a matter open to much dispute that a whole lot of not-really-into-bitcoin barnacles have been steadily accumulating, at least in their own esitmation, since 2012 or so.
mircea_popescu: they get scraped off, new sets come on, it's the fate of ship on open seas.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1683139 ie "the bitcoin banking cartel" very much apropos.
mircea_popescu: ie, people will drop ~a specific form~ of a stupid idea just as soon as it's literally beaten from their cold, dead hands, AND NEVER BEFORE.
mircea_popescu: "gotta try!"