deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/06/bitcoin-network-mining-difficulty-takes-modest-4-85-percent-uptick-to-new-all-time-high/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Mining Difficulty Takes Modest ~4.85 Percent Uptick To New All Time High
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in today's theme, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0c76d6bf31a35aa19f9a07ca5caf07c9/tumblr_inline_odvi73TNNK1u1xzy9_1280.jpg
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Kjc0Q/?raw=true <<< My bun in teh oven
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ty shinohai
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/06/today-is-the-first-anniversary-of-dao-emptying-ethereum-attack/ << Qntra - Today Is The First Anniversary of "DAO Emptying" Ethereum Attack
shinohai is glad his internet service was restored in time to mark this occasion .....
mircea_popescu: how teh ethereum flies...
mircea_popescu: time flies like an arrow, but ether flies like fruit flies.
BingoBoingo: TO THE BEETUS!
mircea_popescu: at least it gives the prostitutes something to yak about other than "i has found satoshee"
phf: https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2017/06/17/curl-doesnt-spew-binary-anymore/ it's for your own good
mircea_popescu: binary could scare black chix coding into going back to twerking
mircea_popescu: that's really the on;y thing you need it for anyway
asciilifeform: !~later tell pete_dushenski didja ever get your FG going ??
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: also http://68.media.tumblr.com/16556942b06ccf5916406798e73bf342/tumblr_ns11vzWGJn1u9ayhoo1_1280.jpg
mod6: my eyes
mod6: how goes Mr. P.?
mircea_popescu: not bad, avtiually
mircea_popescu: howabout yerself
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: not yet. pretty much struck out on heathen osen (osx and openbsd) and my linuxbox is mid-rebuild. replacing fans and having a hell of a time finding screws that fit the deeper "noctua" units. it's still on the list but not there yet.
pete_dushenski: shinohai: thanks for testing!
pete_dushenski: in other expanded vocabularies, https://ndews.umd.edu/sites/ndews.umd.edu/files/dea-drug-slang-code-words-may2017.pdf
pete_dushenski: gotta get me summa dat booty juice
pete_dushenski: "Any early bitcoin miner or investor now has thousands of bitcoins. Most are Chinese. Each 500 bitcoins is $1 million. These “bitcoin whales” are now very wealthy. They would like to reduce their exposure to bitcoin" << bwahaha this is what passes of "op-ed" in non-qntra circles.
pete_dushenski: david siegel doesn't provide any reasons why wealthy people want to be poor like him and his readers because he doesn't need to. neither he nor his readers can imagine anyone that doesn't want to be on the forefront of the cryptocurrency revolution JUST LIKE THEM
pete_dushenski: speaking of "alts" it somehow escaped my attention until yesterday (or perhaps this particular lulzbit went in one ear and out the other) but did you know that there's no cap on the maximum number of ether ?
pete_dushenski: this is worse than doge!
mod6: mircea_popescu: ahh good. just made myself a nice ham sandwich.
mod6 loves sandwiches
mircea_popescu: hehe i do too
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski what's the poor schmuck goin to say, "dolalr is worthless and we're all fucked, all hail mp" ?
mircea_popescu: he ain't gonna say that. true or not true, he's not saying it.
mircea_popescu: there's two kinds of kids on any schoolyard : those who know you're better than them and admit it, and those who know you're better than them and will have to be beaten into shit because of it.
pete_dushenski: the third kind is... the better kid.
mircea_popescu: discussion was from the perspective of the best kid.
mircea_popescu: and no, there isn't "always someone better". rather, there's always a best.
pete_dushenski: to be sure. and the rest flows from there. like there's always a peak of a waterfall or the top of a mountain. nature paints certain portraits over and over.
mircea_popescu: something like that
mod6: pete_dushenski: saw your blog post about how you worked through getpeerinfo - very nice of you to say. :]
pete_dushenski: that reminds me...
pete_dushenski: !!rated mod6
deedbot: pete_dushenski rated mod6 3 at 2015/12/31 17:23:00 << co-chair of trbf. gentleman.
pete_dushenski: !!v 8E18F8A8A92C56898987AD5CA23097B968947FCADD8742BAF86C8955C122CDF8
deedbot: pete_dushenski updated rating of mod6 from 3 to 4 << co-chair of trbf. gentleman and patient preceptor.
mod6: Thank you, Sir.
mod6: That reminds me too -- I need to go through and cleanout my wot one of these days.
mod6: I'll try to get that done this week.
pete_dushenski: mhm same here. ima do a few right now.
pete_dushenski: !!v 5AFC115B1ECBBFC225FC533E0C930F22BD3101D18E3AC9E66E86CF8D33FB4B0A
deedbot: pete_dushenski unrated assbot.
mircea_popescu: and in other heave ho, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0ea2cd2db7dabd83315e29dc91f699ed/tumblr_n076qcU9th1tnale6o1_400.gif
pete_dushenski: !!unrate 9DC8B9DF2DC3B806D842E8F40DF41E9E4C18316396CCA000D1A8873BA917010A
deedbot: 9DC8B9DF2DC3B806D842E8F40DF41E9E4C18316396CCA000D1A8873BA917010A is not registered in WoT.
shinohai: Gah I need to do wot updates too ... been wellover a year
pete_dushenski: !!v 9DC8B9DF2DC3B806D842E8F40DF41E9E4C18316396CCA000D1A8873BA917010A
deedbot: pete_dushenski unrated kingking190.
pete_dushenski: !!v 678AE4B25756AA9631C487961651F05A1DF248F298CFC54369DF32F1858A0BFD
deedbot: pete_dushenski unrated punkman.
pete_dushenski: !!v 421F1F5279BF37390451C221080334B1718E536B88B600B56A33548664FEEE22
deedbot: pete_dushenski unrated thenewdeal.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-18 19:58 mircea_popescu: and in other heave ho, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0ea2cd2db7dabd83315e29dc91f699ed/tumblr_n076qcU9th1tnale6o1_400.gif
pete_dushenski: !!v 223525AAA2EBAB43902A75A9EB0422770BA94CFFF6E925BEA5D2FBCB0CBBFF0F
deedbot: pete_dushenski unrated mike_c.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-18#1671888 << oughta ask phf, perhaps he has this pill ( iirc has both openbsd and crapple in active use )
a111: Logged on 2017-06-18 19:25 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: not yet. pretty much struck out on heathen osen (osx and openbsd) and my linuxbox is mid-rebuild. replacing fans and having a hell of a time finding screws that fit the deeper "noctua" units. it's still on the list but not there yet.
pete_dushenski: worth a shot.
asciilifeform: alsoo pete_dushenski you can use selftapping woodscrews
pete_dushenski: !!v 65860A96E83EAC6E450413BC75BE41FDF771A9B77CDBEB64A8C6BC928B995008
deedbot: pete_dushenski unrated williamdunne.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: now there's an idea!
asciilifeform: enlarge hole in chassis as needed
pete_dushenski: !!v 5D485EEB624F2912DDC34157DE64CC5392A70FDDF2FBB30891DE01803C47CBDA
deedbot: pete_dushenski unrated fluffypony.
pete_dushenski: !!v 98E04B9D0E92310A0342DB3E5697F4CA4C04C0608038ED99FB56640A57599CCC
deedbot: pete_dushenski unrated funkenstein_.
pete_dushenski: !!v 1AA7E2493084C8FB44A77463BE4FA54BCED05C7CDA3D9698D796FD829563DF4D
deedbot: pete_dushenski rated deedbot 10 << primer inter pares
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-18#1671900 << every time i see these, immediately think of those ww2 'surrender nao' leaflets
a111: Logged on 2017-06-18 19:43 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski what's the poor schmuck goin to say, "dolalr is worthless and we're all fucked, all hail mp" ?
pete_dushenski: !!v 63B3155CD611A4F42C7CD2EA4330351F102EBE5DFBB73D5FA1FF2A4E1820CC55
deedbot: pete_dushenski unrated bitstein.
pete_dushenski: !!v A2235D98480368A728712BB8ED998651116F8D556183FBC6CCCD64462FF516A6
deedbot: pete_dushenski unrated nanotube.
pete_dushenski: !!v 99008777A88EAB3794F0927AEEF9641F30D3C128CE6E24BF6440993E68D2D23E
deedbot: pete_dushenski rated Framedragger 2 << literate beyond his years but still a green shoot.
mircea_popescu: i think a more apt misspelling would have been dlolar
pete_dushenski: !!v 13EAFE262A55E60E4595D21522C895E088B9B4154B2481F9FB5D408C00071705
deedbot: pete_dushenski updated rating of BingoBoingo from 2 to 3 << sober yarn-spinner and green thumb.
pete_dushenski: !!v 63E8B34600E8E0BF1D5BD75E0C49643A11D16BD6C900CCBDAD3735A82B583459
deedbot: pete_dushenski rated phf 2 << deliberate burner.
pete_dushenski: that should do for now. log spam over for today.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the rancho, http://68.media.tumblr.com/2491ae09fbc9361bd6075e778b5be581/tumblr_inline_odvi78kjch1u1xzy9_1280.jpg
pete_dushenski: bbl. all these preggos are reminding me that it's father's day.
asciilifeform: in other olds, ''Whilst making love a necklace broke. / A row of pearls mislaid. / One sixth fell to the floor. / One fifth upon the bed.'
mircea_popescu: "and nineteen down her throat"
asciilifeform: ( from 'Lilavati', c. 1150 ad, Colebrook transl., )
asciilifeform: ( http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/Biographies/Bhaskara_II.html << subj, for the intrepid )
asciilifeform: 'Lilavati was the name of Bhaskaracharya's daughter. From casting her horoscope, he discovered that the auspicious time for her wedding would be a particular hour on a certain day. He placed a cup with a small hole at the bottom of the vessel filled with water, arranged so that the cup would sink at the beginning of the propitious hour.
asciilifeform: When everything was ready and the cup was placed in the vessel, Lilavati suddenly out of curiosity bent over the vessel and a pearl from her dress fell into the cup and blocked the hole in it. The lucky hour passed without the cup sinking. Bhaskaracharya believed that the way to console his dejected daughter, who now would never get married, was to write her a manual of mathematics!'
mircea_popescu: the stories of people who cared too much.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, now that makes me curious just how much is too much and how much is perfectly fine and how much is too little
diana_coman: might as well say people who cared.
mircea_popescu: you only find out when you die.
asciilifeform: esp in re monarch's marriageable children
diana_coman: now if you care about that when you die that is indeed too much, lol
diana_coman: leftover care - becomes active at last minute
mircea_popescu: diana_coman when i was about three, they took me to a doctor. it was like a kinda mysterios affair, and it made no sense as i was not sick. the doctor asked me what do i do if i'm hungry ? and i told him i eat. he then asked me what do i do if i'm sleepy, and i said i go to bed. that was it, and everyone was impressed because apparently no fucking kids ever have any sense left.
mircea_popescu: nor, for that matter, indians of a millenium ago.
mircea_popescu: if you get aroused, fuck. what the fuck is a marriage to begin with, let alone "propitious hours" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: you'll know after you're spent if it was going to be any good or not. never before.
diana_coman: uhm, the doctor story is weird re impressed but maybe that was the point of the visit for all I know
mircea_popescu: at the time they did this "normal development" visit with kids.
mircea_popescu: from birth to about 2 or 3, something like that.
asciilifeform: afaik the ancients actually bought the 'propitious time' thing. it was as real to them as 'launch at the right transit time of the orbits' is to modern rocketeer
diana_coman: so if they were impressed it follows it wasn't normal? lolz
mircea_popescu: yes, sanity is abnormal now.
mircea_popescu: and since about the invention of writing, so every perverse tard can note down his insanity for later perverse tards to apply.
mircea_popescu: mathematics manuals and whatnot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually $subj is pretty good manual. beat the living shit out of what europe had going at the time ( and until end of 16th c, in some aspects )
mircea_popescu: but let the record reflect that it strikes me as the height of batshit insane psychosis to fail to fuck and then misappropriate mathematics into one's psychosis.
diana_coman: I suspect every hole in knowledge (and not only that) might look like... insanity to those who ...simply have a better plug; not even a full plug, just better
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: and to those who have ~worse~ plug also..
diana_coman: asciilifeform, indeed
mircea_popescu: but seriously, wtf knowledge is it needed to stuff the plug into the prelubricated hole ?
mircea_popescu: fucking puppies manage to figure it out eventually.
asciilifeform: overabundance of options breeds divinations.
asciilifeform: ('how do i pick?!!!')
mircea_popescu: should have written her a manual on buridan's ass.
asciilifeform: and buridaning.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, this idea that go fuck woman of centuries ago and get yourself pregnant and oh, no worries,what
asciilifeform: lol mircea_popescu beat me to it.
mircea_popescu: could have simply consisted of "proasta pulii ce esti tu, mori de nefutai inecata in supa de pule."
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i know of no culture outside of the chtonic-inspired anglos who deemed pregnancy as a negative.
mircea_popescu: "you'll get pregnant, good for you, it means your innards work."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect - unrelated. think, king has 1 daughter, 'fuck, how do i spend this one torpedo'
diana_coman: ugh, in the right conditions though, not exactly in all cases
diana_coman: honour deaths and all that are not anglo-thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform moreover, i am not familiar with the story, nor with the culture, likely reading too much / wrong things into it.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman indians tho, these aren't wanna-be anglo muslims.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 1source of the story seems to be the farsi translator (16th c) of the text
asciilifeform: who could have easily pulled it from own arse
asciilifeform: so there's that.
diana_coman: I kind of doubt the story is *true* as such, so there is that
mircea_popescu: it's annoying to high heavens. it's one thing to show up at your wedding and go "what a great day for a wedding, let's have two!" and force your first maid into marriage with some randomlty chosen guy. it's the same thing to say "fuck this shit, i don't feel like getting married today, go home all of youze".
mircea_popescu: it is ANOTHER thing to go on about how the cups told you what to do and the spirits and the moasa-sa pe gheata.
diana_coman: I can't say I studied the time+culture of the guy to know, perhaps mircea_popescu knows better what he is talking about; it sounds really highly unlikely to me that it was the case that woman could just go and fuck, hurray, but whatevers
mircea_popescu: and i dun care for the another thing at all.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yet stories of 'the cups told' abound
asciilifeform: somehow it's an attractor.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman who was gonna keep her ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes because the human cattle aspires to one thing above all, and that is to be relieved of the downside of agency while getting to keep on the sly as much as possible of the upside.
mircea_popescu: and this is also the root and beginning of all insanity.
diana_coman: that's the thing: she had value, not to be wasted /given away to any bum who s/he fell like fucking on the day
mircea_popescu: diana_coman so let her father bring men home rather than write inept shit (which nevertheless was better than whatever europe had, or kamchatka for that matter, peninsulae nobody heard of)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: alt-hypothesis -- princess ugly, 'cup system' -- rationalization of the 0 bidders...
diana_coman: I really think you are reading too much into it; the way I see the thing it's basically a dedication; inept like all dedications if analysed but wtf is there to analyse in the first place
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they all grip the same from behind. ugly prevented no princess to date.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yeah prolly. i just don't like it.
diana_coman: ahahah asciilifeform might have it; maybe not ugly but barren
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lesse what BingoBoingo says re whether ~all~ 'princesses' 'grip the same from behind'
asciilifeform: 'cause i can think of a few, linked, that might not..
mircea_popescu: nah cuz the vessel comes with a seal (and yes, the inspiration for babylonian trade, the seals, and amphorae was DEFINITELY the cunt). you can claim it wasn't tried or that it didn't work, these aren't confoundable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they didn't have the tech to produce mcdonalds princesses in 1100 india.
diana_coman: sure; just that you don't claim *in writing* that it didn't work, lel
asciilifeform: 'removal of seal voids warranty!'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they did have the pox tho
mircea_popescu: diana_coman there is that i guesd
diana_coman: at asciilifeform's link it even says it might have been his wife, not his daughter - so maybe it was more of a consolation/precisely the dedication thing I was saying earlier: too busy to fuck, I wrote this book
mircea_popescu: he prolly said the same to the harem girls, also.
diana_coman: sure, what of it; all of them were L-whatevers
mircea_popescu: but, if the lived experience of ghandi is any guide, the classical indians did not very pointedly distinguish daughters from wives.
asciilifeform: 'lilavati' seems to translate simply as 'she-playful-one'
asciilifeform: so fuck all knows.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have doubts that they ran a closed-arsemouth production cycle. it'd show today.
mircea_popescu: doesn't it ?
mircea_popescu: how many intelligent indians do you know ? and how many bagawan what's his face, the inept chicago "professor"
asciilifeform: the brahmins, by and large, have working heads.
mircea_popescu: name one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your hindus are dalits
mircea_popescu: name an intelligent indian omfg.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bose
asciilifeform: do i have to keep going ?
mircea_popescu: the national front dood ?!
asciilifeform: there's no shortage
asciilifeform: j.c bose
asciilifeform: microwave transceivers in motherfucking 1880s
asciilifeform: complete with waveguides
mircea_popescu: aaa that bose.
asciilifeform: yes what other bose, lel
mircea_popescu: are bengalis indians ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was some nazi ally dude tryting to outs the british cca 1940s
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gandi?
mircea_popescu: nonono, subhas bose
asciilifeform: aah yeah tru
asciilifeform: there's even a bose in usa, possibly alive today, sold overprices stereos
mircea_popescu: well in that sense there's also a mr haagen-dazs. hangs out with mr r mcd.
asciilifeform: ( among owners reputed to stand for Buy Other Stereo Equipment ! )
asciilifeform worked with both kinds of india, for many many years. can distinguish 'brahmin or not' in ~3min of conversation
asciilifeform: the folx asking on 'shit overflow' re 'how do i make for loop plz dear Sir help' are the... other kind
mircea_popescu: my exposure has been minimal.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most of the working-head hindus you might conceivably run into outside of india, were pushed out in 1970s-80s 'red' phase, when untouchables took over academia and had a sort of american-style 'diversity' shitfest
asciilifeform: was not a massive wave of emigration, tho, not like j00z from su
mircea_popescu: which has succeeded in one aspect : i see india, generally speaking, as a sort of latrine. probably because of these.
asciilifeform: by and large, india today ain't exporting the j.c.bose's, no.
mircea_popescu: but, honestly, there's older beefs. srsly, schmucks had steel in 900 and never made tanks ? why ?
asciilifeform: same reason as china
asciilifeform: turns out steel ain't enough, you also need to give half a shit
mircea_popescu: yes, well, good thing they were writing complicated "thank you for your leadership" pieces of maculature!
mircea_popescu: fucking us congress, going for 1500 years. blergh.
asciilifeform: the 'technology' of the latter, is afaik still virginal subject ( unlike metallurgy )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: china went for, what, 5k yrs, same
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think the discussion has uncovered why exactly it is my bristles stand up. it'd be one thing if a sane place with a sane culture with respectable people churned out a "hey, chick didn't get married because the cups lolz" thing. THEN it would be funny.
mircea_popescu: but when india's involved it's not funny just like tuberculosis cough's not funny.
asciilifeform: hey, greeks also had oracles etc
mircea_popescu: and with them it's almost tolerable.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-pulation-and-other-biodiversities/ << Trilema - The Pulation and other biodiversities.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform they didn't have the tech to produce mcdonalds princesses in 1100 india. << McDonalds or not, Beetus tends to run strong in Indian populations. Perhaps cow-ban is in response to earlier Mc-Hamplanet crisis on subcontinent?
mircea_popescu: what's cow gonna do ? diabetes == vegetarian diet
asciilifeform back from lugging 30kg of b000kz 4km in swampfuckistan heat, lol
mircea_popescu: lol sold car got lawnmoer ?
asciilifeform: and realized, while doing this, that in fact you don't need 2k+2 bits for the karatsuba intermediates, you can do instead of (x0+x1)*(y0+y1) , (x0-x1)*(y0-y1), and then you don't need to propagate carries, but only take absolutevalue and xor the borrows to see if gotta invert the resulting term
mircea_popescu: check it out, lowly labour is good for oyu
asciilifeform: and then i look in shitpile of paperz and find that some d00d actually did this, called it 'subtractive karatsuba', used in some microcontroller,
asciilifeform: but... get this :
asciilifeform: STILL NOT IN CONSTANT TIME because apparently mother dropped him as a child
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: getting up from the terminal on occasion is good for people, it is one of the reasons asciilifeform doesn't hurry to automate various chores
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what's cow gonna do ? diabetes == vegetarian diet << Cow competes for carbs, hard to do if burger
mircea_popescu: the way to end up usflated is a) margerine (gunks up the fat cycle, body ends up dependent on citric cycle for energy) + processed starches (hfcs, potato, whatever)
mircea_popescu: add various complex toxins in there for spice, and you got it.
asciilifeform: don't forget not-walking
asciilifeform: ~nonnegotiable ingredient in 'ham planet'
mircea_popescu: nah, actually, that gets taken care of "by itself"
mircea_popescu: eater of linoleum + soda water CAN'T walk, want to or no.
mircea_popescu: his metabolism costs about 160% what it costs in normal people, and that's it.
asciilifeform: there is something to this. asciilifeform usedto wurk with a buncha american d00dz, not all of whom even fatter than asciilifeform !, and they would not hear of the idea of ~walking~ to restaurant <1km from office
mircea_popescu: there's no spare energy for such stuff.
mircea_popescu: let alone any intensive bouts of thinking.
asciilifeform is not a thin man; but can walk dawn - midnight noprob
mircea_popescu: with books even!
asciilifeform: books, toolz, etc
asciilifeform: sometimes also perversities (e.g. today found very nice shop lamp , of a 1950s type i already have, and picked up... walked with that)
asciilifeform: the kind that had the transformer in the base
asciilifeform finally cut down the last motherfucking green hell
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
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