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(pest) crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: anything more sane than above .ru 'elbrus'
(pest) asciilifeform: fast-fwd to current-day ru, where 'elbrus' is a sparc (!) with x86 emulation mode (to conveniently run winblows warez, shit thee not) and whole thing in fact made in tw
(pest) phf: 􏿽elbrus parent company locked themselves into "we can't tell you that, and you must burn this email on receipt" model in the early 90s, as an obv transition from su model, units are small batch produced for $$$$, there's no gov funding and it's not even clear if that shit's being us
(pest) bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-03-22 20:30:55 asciilifeform[5]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-03-22#1025069 << wonder whether it's about the 'real' elbrus or the sparc-elbrus. ('dead end' describes imho both, lol). will need to actually watch the tape to find out, i suppose
(pest) phf: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-03-22#1025077 << title is intentionally "spicy". the guy is some kind of ru elbrus hobbyist, but the videos are interesting for occassional throwaway phrases, and side comments, which paint clear picture of state of things. it doesn't present anything new, just a complete picture.
(pest) asciilifeform mostly forgot about the subj after barfing re ~100%-undoc'd (safe to presume -- to conceal that ~99% of the supporting silicon was licensed from taiwan, and 100% -- baked there) retail elbrus
(pest) bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-03-22 18:31:11 phf[jonsykkel|deedbot|awt]: 􏿽asciilifeform, had this in backlog, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G56lE2407Ls and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw7BzjSmuqg the videos are kind of tedious, but if you play them in background, you can get insight into state of elbrus, and the current happenin
(pest) asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-03-22#1025069 << wonder whether it's about the 'real' elbrus or the sparc-elbrus. ('dead end' describes imho both, lol). will need to actually watch the tape to find out, i suppose
(pest) phf: 􏿽cpus in ru. second video with an elbrus gov integration director is particularly telling, mostly by the dynamic between the old school "kids and their videogames, why don't you start a science кружок for young pioneers" director on one side and the "modern" elbrus enjoyer on
(pest) phf: 􏿽asciilifeform, had this in backlog, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G56lE2407Ls and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw7BzjSmuqg the videos are kind of tedious, but if you play them in background, you can get insight into state of elbrus, and the current happenings as far as custom
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-01-26 asciilifeform: and why even the advertised elbrus sits on 100% taiwanese chipset.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-05-11 asciilifeform: presently i'm not convinced that 'baikal' cpu exists -- experience suggests that it's an elbrus, a small handful of physical items for ru army and a large stack of imaginary bezzle cpus which actually turned into swiss gold and florida mansions for various scum instead of into cpu
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-08-22 14:54:51 asciilifeform: even today, infamous 'elbrus' is fabbed in tw, at tmsc co.
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: Elbrus's time to shine!
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ( elbrus, incidentally, also made at tmsc )
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mats: elbrus, if you recall, is the ru version of these. 1990s-performant cpu, offered at 1980s price point , with 1970s availability.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mats: i'ma file this under 'elbrus' until see 1 for sale..
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ( incidentally, the ru design bureau that baked 'elbrus' did not even attempt to have the supporting periphs -- nic, vga, etc. fabbed . instead off-shelf. they figures, prolly correctly, that no amt of $ would suffice... )
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: even today, infamous 'elbrus' is fabbed in tw, at tmsc co.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ty amberglint, looks interesting. i suspect i'll never get hands on an actual working elbrus tho
(asciilifeform) amberglint: asciilifeform: MCST published the instruction set for Elbrus and a bunch of other docs, if you are still curious about it: http://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/people/mike/elbrus/docs/elbrus_prog/html/
(trilema) asciilifeform: incidentally, seems like asciilifeform is not the 1st or the 100th to think of this : turned up that in ru, from early 2000s, and entirely unrelated to the hyped 'elbrus' & co, they've been making rad-hard realtime box 'baget' on mips1.
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: "what do you think about Elbrus?" inane bs. ye olde habit of sitting on ass and talking things, while waiting patiently for world to come to his terms. whatever, epiphenomena of overabundance.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 19:57 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909490 << speaking of which, http://archive.is/pEMWM ; also, i guess elbrus-2 (~1985) and besm-6 are still running
(trilema) asciilifeform: i dun expect to ever get hands on a complete elbrus-2 or etc.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 19:57 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909490 << speaking of which, http://archive.is/pEMWM ; also, i guess elbrus-2 (~1985) and besm-6 are still running
(trilema) bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909490 << speaking of which, http://archive.is/pEMWM ; also, i guess elbrus-2 (~1985) and besm-6 are still running
(trilema) asciilifeform observes that 6y after snowdenism, ru still runs on winblowz, the mythical 'elbrus' still ~unobtainable (and likely the demo units run poettering-linux) , etc
(trilema) asciilifeform: 'elbrus' can get in dreams only.
(trilema) asciilifeform: lol 'can overclock elbrus ?'
(trilema) amberglint: do you know that Elbrus has a youtube channel for some reason? it's pretty strange: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6pnRoVljXKpo5bgkVyQMJg
(trilema) amberglint: oddly enough, there's a university textbook on Elbrus, no instruction set there either: http://www.mcst.ru/doc/book_121130.pdf
(trilema) asciilifeform: rather like elbrus.
(trilema) amberglint: the lead designer of the VLIW Elbrus was later hired away by Intel
(trilema) amberglint: the Elbrus designers can count as native, no?
(trilema) asciilifeform: i ( and iirc mircea_popescu also once ) tried to buy 'elbrus' also, 0dice
(trilema) asciilifeform to this day has failed to buy even 1 , it is almost as rare as 'elbrus'
(trilema) asciilifeform: elsewhere : https://ok.ru/video/387389133217 << elbrus 'unboxing film'.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2018-01-15 22:52 asciilifeform: incidentally, re elbrus sparc, asciilifeform is reminded of a historic megamystery : why is it that sovblok incandescent bulbs, lasted for approx same time as western ones ? despite the latter's ( documented to my satisfaction ) philips cartel , and the absence of any such thing on su side ?
(trilema) asciilifeform: incidentally, re elbrus sparc, asciilifeform is reminded of a historic megamystery : why is it that sovblok incandescent bulbs, lasted for approx same time as western ones ? despite the latter's ( documented to my satisfaction ) philips cartel , and the absence of any such thing on su side ?
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2018-01-15 19:45 BingoBoingo: phf: If I remember right Elbrus was a SPARC64 y entonces likely missing an ASM instruction useful for FFA with speed
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2018-01-15 20:13 phf: from elsewhere, i've read that elbrus compiler stack (for an unobtanium chip) is completely closed source
(trilema) phf: from elsewhere, i've read that elbrus compiler stack (for an unobtanium chip) is completely closed source
(trilema) BingoBoingo: phf: If I remember right Elbrus was a SPARC64 y entonces likely missing an ASM instruction useful for FFA with speed
(trilema) phf: yeah, i wonder where elbrus is fabbed (in before ascii's "fabbed in financial instrument papers only!1")
(trilema) asciilifeform: ru, for instance, pointedly ~did~ gabriel_laddelize the elbrus.
(trilema) BingoBoingo: Email to Elbrus folk sent
(trilema) BingoBoingo: Ah, Elbrus, let me find an email
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-11-25 01:37 fromloper: hi everyone. I've heard that some people here are interested in Elbrus hardware, so I brought you this announcement: https://pp.userapi.com/c840421/v840421325/27721/jhAYzDMy5ms.jpg
(trilema) fromloper: basically that, I'm following Elbrus' PR
(trilema) fromloper: hi everyone. I've heard that some people here are interested in Elbrus hardware, so I brought you this announcement: https://pp.userapi.com/c840421/v840421325/27721/jhAYzDMy5ms.jpg
(trilema) asciilifeform: either way, it helps us not a whit, these items dun seem to be any moar obtainable than 'elbrus'.
(trilema) asciilifeform: it's what the ru elbrus folx ripped off for elbrus.
(trilema) asciilifeform: apparently entire ru 'infosec' budget bought, waht, a few 100 elbrus. if that.
(trilema) asciilifeform: 'Servers belonging to the ministry were not infected on account of the use of alternative operating system and natively produced servers using the ru elbrus cpu'
(trilema) mircea_popescu: o hey, check it out, elbrus running java.
(trilema) asciilifeform: though, further twist -- the ~original~ elbrus was a spiffy superscalar machine that actually beat usa state of the art at the time (cdc)
(trilema) asciilifeform: (elbrus et al)
(trilema) mircea_popescu: you recall, the elbrus salesman
(trilema) asciilifeform: i suspect that if either baikal or elbrus ~existed~ in commercially relevant qtys, it would handily corner the 'fuck cisco and usg crapolade' market worldwide
(trilema) asciilifeform: presently i'm not convinced that 'baikal' cpu exists -- experience suggests that it's an elbrus, a small handful of physical items for ru army and a large stack of imaginary bezzle cpus which actually turned into swiss gold and florida mansions for various scum instead of into cpu
(trilema) asciilifeform: or is it another elbrus.
(trilema) asciilifeform: had (surprisingly to some folx) the first 'elbrus', quite competitive with cray1
(trilema) mircea_popescu: same as elbrus yes.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: yeah, i recall it wasn't ever actually deployed in any meaningful sense. ielbrus.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: anyway. maybe new elbrus brings ofw back.
(trilema) asciilifeform: china is 'black box' -- i for instance have genuinely nfi whether they nixed their equiv. of 'elbrus', or merely hid it. (and i know of nobody showing any symptom of publicly having half a clue re subj)
(trilema) trinque: I had a dream last night where I was in russia at some diplomatic event, and I was drinking with Putin and asked him about the Elbrus
(trilema) asciilifeform: and why even the advertised elbrus sits on 100% taiwanese chipset.
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not really clear to me , from here, that comeback is genuine. consider: where is 'elbrus'.
(trilema) asciilifeform: aha some don't walk. there was a photo leaked of a radar base, where they had one of the few completed elbrus. in the corner desk there was what looked like winblows. nfi, could be hangout, perhaps the 'indigenous base' happened, strictly in ru meta-nsa.
(trilema) asciilifeform: and that the elbrusistic 'we'll make indigenous base' thing never took off.
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-29#1560126 << what didja think he used, mircea_popescu , elbrus ?
(trilema) pete_dushenski: russians win 'how to make effective artillery brigade' race then 'how to make spaceship' race then 'how to make strongman' race. next ? 'how to make elbrus' race ?
(trilema) asciilifeform: is elbrus 'also there' ?
(trilema) asciilifeform: trinque: it is unobtainable. like elbrus.
(trilema) shinohai: I am convinced that asciilifeform is really just some sort of AI comprised of Elbrus chips.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: elbruses even :D
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://geektimes.ru/post/269914 << re where 'elbrus' went.
(trilema) asciilifeform: well they only made, iirc, 200 'elbrus-2' (which were cray-2 sized and shaped)
(trilema) asciilifeform: reportedly thing is plugged into a real live 'elbrus-2'.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: and what do you plan to run bitcoin on, elbruses ?
(trilema) mircea_popescu: no i meant - if something being more vapor than elbrus were possible
(trilema) asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://milandr.ru << can source any of this? or vapour, like elbrus ?
(trilema) mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> http://geektimes.ru/post/268128 << baikal electronics corp. claims $60 mips cpu to compete with 'elbrus' (which i have been unable to buy at any price on this side of the ocean) << they don't practically exist, on either side of ocean. so far all signs point to "elaborate ru.gov self-scam"
(trilema) ascii_field: http://geektimes.ru/post/268128 << baikal electronics corp. claims $60 mips cpu to compete with 'elbrus' (which i have been unable to buy at any price on this side of the ocean)
(trilema) ascii_field: for all i know, it is a '90s-style chumpatron like the last elbrus !
(trilema) ascii_field: pete_dushenski: i do not know for a fact that elbrus was made.
(trilema) pete_dushenski: if russia has the economy to make elbrus, which can presumable keep the blockchain, seems odd that china can't
(trilema) pete_dushenski: and who knows if 'elbrus' can be believed.
(trilema) ascii_field: modern ru was - if we are to believe elbrus co. - just barely able to make a handful of 'pentium 1'-equiv. items.
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 01:09:04; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i will point out that i have not been able to locate an elbrus, nor has, last i asked, mircea_popescu, nor anyone else i know
(trilema) asciilifeform: the hilarious part re: elbrus - given ~only~ the published material - is that it has standard chinese peripherals, on memory-mapped i/o...
(trilema) asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: given as the whole purpose of elbrus, to the extent it had one, is to be a non-nato computer
(trilema) asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i will point out that i have not been able to locate an elbrus, nor has, last i asked, mircea_popescu, nor anyone else i know
(trilema) deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Anyone have a single Elbrus ARM-401 for sale? Mebbe a 4.4 Server? It’s for the children. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/12/anyone-have-a-single-elbrus-arm-401-for-sale-mebbe-a-4-4-server-its-for-the-children/
(trilema) ascii_field: for those who did not watch the 'elbrus' youtube (did anyone ?) - if the screenshots are genuine , we now know that one core of 'elbrus' has approximately same benchmark performance as 'pogo.'
(trilema) mircea_popescu: it's just elbrus for the rest of us.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: anyway, you KNOW most elbrus will be running excel in govt offices. so yes.
(trilema) ascii_field: elbrus advertised retail is ~4kusd
(trilema) ascii_field: mircea_popescu: buy elbrus ... << ru corps only is the advertised offer
(trilema) mircea_popescu: ascii_field wait, so you're not gonna write an inquiry to the elbrus folks ?
(trilema) ascii_field: (and there is claimed x86 dynamic translation, a la apple ppc. so it may yet turn out that most 'elbrus' will end up running winblowsxp...)
(trilema) ascii_field: elbrus for many decades (yes) had reputation not entirely unlike 'butterfly labs' or what was it.
(trilema) ascii_field: pete_dushenski: mebbe you can trade that astonmartin for an 'elbrus'
(trilema) pete_dushenski: but yes, is this elbrus isn't sufficiently magical, then it makes as much sense as buying 10,000 apple watches
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:56:47; pete_dushenski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/11/allrussian_elbrus_pcs_and_servers_go_on_sale/ << it's a great day for alf!
(trilema) pete_dushenski: "The Server Elbrus 4.4 is a four-socket affair and four of the machines fit into a 1U chassis. Gigabit ethernet, SATA and plenty of PCI slots connect it to other kit and the rest of the worlds."
(trilema) pete_dushenski: "The Elbrus ARM-401 PC is a minitower packing a version of Linux also called Elbrus and boasts four USB 2.0 ports, a PCI-express slot, gigabit ethernet and not much more."
(trilema) pete_dushenski: "The Elbrus 4c used in the PCs and servers is said to support two instruction sets: very long instruction word and SPARC."
(trilema) assbot: All-Russian 'Elbrus' PCs and servers go on sale • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1KB6Txg )
(trilema) asciilifeform: i expect to purchase a 'fluxbabbitt' before i ever so much as touch an 'elbrus.'
(trilema) mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did they ever come out wiht the elbrus 8s ?
(trilema) asciilifeform: straight to 'elbrus' then
(trilema) asciilifeform: as ru did with 'elbrus'
(trilema) asciilifeform: and regardless of what the nintendo proggy does, cannot crash the elbrus
(trilema) asciilifeform: works on soviet 'elbrus' as well as american '486'
(trilema) asciilifeform: regardless of whether you have a 'pc' or 'elbrus'
(trilema) asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.mcst.ru/doc/book_121130.pdf << because you asked. textbook, 'elbrus' system architecture.
(trilema) asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.computerra.ru/112660/mcst-and-micron-releases-monokub-mb-with-elbrus-2cm-cpu << i don't feel like translating, but - first ru-designed cpu, afaik, this century - hits the press.
(trilema) asciilifeform: build more 'elbrus' wintel clones.
(trilema) asciilifeform: artifexd: well, the classic 'elbrus' was pipelined.
(trilema) asciilifeform: re: russian 'arm' cpu hype << same sad story as 'elbrus' company. the latter started out as a somewhat original superscalar design, ended up a cheap pentium clone. they succumbed to the temptation of the ussr starting in '70s - clone common cpu, run l33t w4r3z.
(trilema) asciilifeform: decimation: russia/native cpu << see earlier 'elbrus.' wake me up when they cough up own os, rather than cribbing.
(trilema) asciilifeform: the baby will incubate in the '90s 'elbrus' supercomputer
(trilema) asciilifeform: check out the latest 'Elbrus', for instance. x86, runs... xp.
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