mircea_popescu: they go so far as to say "do not vote for this guy, who is new, vote for the known-corrupt-asshole HE HAS SENIORITY"
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 02:30 asciilifeform: i imagine a maggot's idea of heaven, this, the fresh meat with no prev maggot crew.
mircea_popescu: which, amusingly enough, is quite convenient for us to do, what with all of trinque's ave1 's & everyoes workl in that direction.
mircea_popescu: let the maggots learn the value of stolen stack is 0, and let the "independent", "anonymous" humanrightsetc imbeciles learn there is no life outside of the republic.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 03:01 Mocky: ha, "However, the new decree stipulates that if a permanent resident leaves Qatar for more than six months, the interior minister could withdraw from the residency"
mircea_popescu: get in a room with the respective people, put the matter plainly to them, shake pinkies and that's that.
mircea_popescu: i never knew paperwork to be worth two shits in arab world.
mircea_popescu: and i never knew bloomberg to be a source on anything besides pop culture.
Mocky: mircea_popescu, so local sponsor must hold >50% controlling interest in any new business. local chamber of commerce apparently on the look out for profitable opportunities with foreigners. I'm not sure where else to look specifically aside from generally making a lot of friends and getting introductions.
Mocky: I'm looking at local conferences, local politics, tech and business groups / meetups. expect to chat up street market vendors on the regular if these are actually arabs and not indians
trinque: asciilifeform: hate to report that I just noticed my pizarro box (running aggression) was sitting there doing absolutely nothing for about 4k blox
trinque: kill trb, restarts, resumes eating
trinque: eh, I'm not convinced of that
trinque: the behavior I've seen is that this particular box gets stuck, always immediately resumes receiving blocks when trb is restarted
trinque: what I don't have a model for yet is the perma-stuck state
trinque: ah, well, the fuckwittism spread, because I've cron'd killall -SIGQUIT bitcoind now
trinque: thing really needs a "everyone I know is retarded, forget them and move on"
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 21:49 asciilifeform: in mostly unrelated lulz, there are apparently noads who shove a couple 100 MB (!) of bastard blox into a connected trb, prior to the latter throwing the ban switch ( because of the idjit shitoshi networking routine, actual disconnect happens a good 10-20sec after ban )
trinque: quick update on cuntoo before I depart. the fully machine-driven transformation from snapshotted gentoo to cuntoo genesis.vpatch works, and successfully rebuilt itself whole. I've also got the classical gentoo repo acting as a subordinate repository, such that porting ebuilds will be extremely easy (i.e. gentoo repo is now an overlay, just like musl overlay, which can be used or not as decreed by operator,
trinque: but is not required for a cuntoo base system)
trinque: what's left is to shave further weight out of the genesis (currently approx 12M, but this without purging unused versions of used ebuilds), and the accompanying post
trinque: might even get an order of magnitude out of the vpatch with the purge.
trinque: genesis will be the frozen-in-time found item, and from there I'll be looking forward to patches to add ave1 gcc (and later ave1-reproducible-build-gcc), other improvements.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 04:19 Mocky: mircea_popescu, so local sponsor must hold >50% controlling interest in any new business. local chamber of commerce apparently on the look out for profitable opportunities with foreigners. I'm not sure where else to look specifically aside from generally making a lot of friends and getting introductions.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't say that you're required/expected to actually go into some sort of "sponsor" relationship with a local fucktard.org. make-your-own sponsor, why not.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 05:00 trinque: genesis will be the frozen-in-time found item, and from there I'll be looking forward to patches to add ave1 gcc (and later ave1-reproducible-build-gcc), other improvements.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
diana_coman: hm, a first tiny pilot test of the UDP send/receive looks quite dire (4 in 20 made it, when sent in batches of 4, random lengths); however, I don't know if it's not just overflowing the out buffer to start with (since default value in /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_default is 212992 so real would be half that iirc)
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, but if one sends a burst of 4 packets , they can overflow that buffer and get dropped, don't they?
diana_coman: hm, you mean it's guaranteed that the package is sent and out of the buffer before you can call send again ?
diana_coman: yes, I'm trying to figure out mainly if I can at least make sure that it IS sent out of sender; then it can ofc get dropped anywhere on the route
diana_coman: basically one of each batch except one batch that was fully lost
diana_coman: anyways, this is just tiny pilot, not yet worth much analysis as such
diana_coman: that would certainly fit this observed mess, yes
diana_coman: anyway, the above examples show also current logs on both sides - if anyone has feedback on it/wants to see something else logged, talk now
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> !Q later tell BingoBoingo crate seems to be in customs limbo still << I don't expect the locals did anything at all Saturday/Sunday. No phone calls have been recieved yet. We still have more waiting time before panic time.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent 35 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> crate seems to be in customs limbo still
ave1: asciilifeform,
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853545, I had seen the path in the specs (gcc -dumspecs) so I knew I had to look in the gcc/config directory. Next was the i386 dir (used for everything intel > i386) next simple grep for "isystem" (I worried that the path would be constructed from parts and so would never be found).
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 13:37 asciilifeform: ave1: pretty neat. curious, didja grep the whole thing for hardwired paths ?
mod6: trinque: Thanks for reporting.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 20:59 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853137 << this reminds me of an item i had on chalkboard but never had a chance to actually bake -- a running log of where/when (ip, remote ver, time) noad got each incoming candidate block .
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 21:49 asciilifeform: in mostly unrelated lulz, there are apparently noads who shove a couple 100 MB (!) of bastard blox into a connected trb, prior to the latter throwing the ban switch ( because of the idjit shitoshi networking routine, actual disconnect happens a good 10-20sec after ban )
mod6: Yeah, this might be a proper step forward to de-sibyling the thing. And as long as we can still service randos, even if in second place.
mod6: I'm gonna think on it a bit.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 15:11 asciilifeform: diana_coman: traceroute --mtu destinationip will show the mtu of the 1st 'fraggable' node in the path
Mocky: asciilifeform, is there a way to quantify "for a time"? Because requiring a 'tour of duty' dun necessarily seem like a bad thing. Is showing up with faster hash rate and getting full advantage on day one something to optimize for? (or day N, which is why I wonder how to quantify)
Mocky: ahh, yes I've seen but didn't know who emits
Mocky: I presumed as much
Mocky: seems like no node operator benefits individually from a non-optimal link to miners.
Mocky: but yes I see the knock on effects are not the same as superficial effects
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 18:17 mircea_popescu: what i meant by "mercantilism" is that they do not want the locals to leak dollars back into the ubers of the world.
BingoBoingo: Which, well... by all apearances Uruguay leaks a substantial amount into Uber. Recently "Uber Eats" bicicletas have appeared in numbers that almost rival the Pedidos Ya bicicletas and motorcycles.
BingoBoingo: A third delivery service Rappi (Argentine like Pedidos Ya) arrived aroudn the time Uber Eats did and seems to be holding last place in that niche
BingoBoingo: I try explaining this to the locals when they reminisce about the 2005-2015 good old days
BingoBoingo: "BCU targeting a 7% inflation rate just might be why you are all being frog boiled into increasingly deeper poverty"
BingoBoingo: But hey, everything is great and peachy for them because Starbucks is getting joined by H&M on October 6th
BingoBoingo: Well, the Argentines also didn't acknowledge their poverty
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 15:55 asciilifeform: this is a potentially dangerous arse-mouth system.
BingoBoingo: Oh, they'll flat out say Uruguay is a poor country
BingoBoingo: Uruguay has a petite Miami light about 90 km east of Montevideo every summer. The police there even catch the street sleepers for redistribution to other parts of the country.
BingoBoingo: There's even advertisements on the streets for events at "World Trade Center - Punta del Este"
BingoBoingo: International marketing, networking, and the usual bread and butter. There's an advertisement station in front of the closed zoo that they seem to favor.
BingoBoingo: They also have ads in the other Uruguay WTC tower lobbies advertise "Work in the best place to live"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mighty lotta cheek, for folx who torment a 300 $ crate in tariff hell, to prattle about 'international marketing' << They don't want buying. See they only want to do the SELLING part.
BingoBoingo: Beef, breeding cattle, soybeans, hotel nights for Punta del Este´s visually impressive jellyfish beach
BingoBoingo: Frente Amplio burns the benjies while inflating the peso and everyone frog boils into poverty.
mircea_popescu: which is what i mean. "oh, my fambly business is my own" "sure, it is. until it suddenly isn't."
mircea_popescu: this'd be the counterpoint to "omfg, mp will publish anything". sure, he will. "it's exaggerate!". sure, it is.
mircea_popescu: if you don't control your women, you're stuck making public laughingstocks of them. there's no "third way".
mircea_popescu: and the punishment for "what if i don't" is... "they will".
mircea_popescu: can't help but like the soviet peons more than the usgistani zeks.
mircea_popescu: what "purges" ? who the fuck would stay on with shitux.
mircea_popescu: hey, linux ~already useless for any practical purpose. you know i have a trashed hp envy sitting here because trhere's no way to run the wireless on it ?
mircea_popescu: but the point remains -- they're still ~useless (or amstan-useful, if you prefer). literally better of without 'em.
mircea_popescu: eh im not fucking doing soldering jobs for a fucking laptop.
trinque: yeh most of these are separate mpcie card, though the point remains
trinque: can in theory replace with a known workable card
mircea_popescu: ah, and i bought a dongle for it ? the linux driver "requires" gcc 4.9
trinque: asciilifeform: oh, sad indeed
mircea_popescu: (not to even mention they ship a fucking cd with the dongle, the fucktards, on which there's autorun and windows bs. the linux stuff -- get from our website. ON A CONNECTIVITY DEVICE. then they wanna talk about "code of conduct" ? HOW THE FUCK ABOUT NOT.)
mircea_popescu: im trashing the whole worksheet, unless you want something from it.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 18:54 mircea_popescu: wtf, wired laptop, what sense does that make.
mircea_popescu: yeah well... i would never. why not get a desktop, cheaper parts, better heat.
mircea_popescu: oh, is this part and parcel of all the "luxuries keep me bolted down in usgistan that i could never have anywhere else" line ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 18:57 mircea_popescu: ah, and i bought a dongle for it ? the linux driver "requires" gcc 4.9
mircea_popescu: like, hard vacuum to pump you quite as neatly in sardine can not available anywhere else ?
mircea_popescu: yes well, mine's a 4.4.3 ; perhaps one day it'll be ave1 's, but that day is not today and so tough luck to the shitcard.
mircea_popescu: me either, but as i said, makepile errors out and im not debugging this
mircea_popescu: i sometimes do it as learnpunishment for girls. but ample iron to punish with viz few girls need punished.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 13:50 diana_coman: hm, a first tiny pilot test of the UDP send/receive looks quite dire (4 in 20 made it, when sent in batches of 4, random lengths); however, I don't know if it's not just overflowing the out buffer to start with (since default value in /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_default is 212992 so real would be half that iirc)
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 13:56 asciilifeform: ( i long suspected that nothing far over 512, will reliably go )
mircea_popescu: diana_coman it occurs to me the work might also be misspecced. anyone have serious objections to moving to 1-2048 down from 1-65536 ?
mircea_popescu: i really didn't think it through, wtf is this 28355, 52181, 2600, 7269, 16286, 47627, 36352, 53247, 24192, 63568 bullshit, no one with any sort of networking experience would expect this to go.
mircea_popescu: yeah. unless anyone throws in a good reason we're dropping the far range, this is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: and it says pmtu 1500 on a half dozen servers i looked, si
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> F=1500 here too. << Here as well
mircea_popescu: is the take home from here that 1500, rather than 2048, should be the outer bound ?
mircea_popescu: but the ideais, ARE we interested in a sliver of data re that ?
mircea_popescu: well, this has been a productive discussion, hasn't it.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-26 17:20 ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
mircea_popescu: nearly fell over itself sideways trying to GET THE FUCK OUT OMFG OMFG
mircea_popescu: who knows what ancestral terror snake it thinks it is. because pixels, right ?
BingoBoingo: All the time. Snapping turtles love ducklings
BingoBoingo: It's like those nature documentary nile river crossing scenes with the crocs in miniature
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 14:58 asciilifeform: ( this braindamaged design decision goes, as one might expect, back to the olden days when homo redditus was not yet on the net and 'arpa' designed for nukefest-related problems, not against 'ddos' )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 15:25 asciilifeform: mod6: my main hesitation re the item is that it may be 'plugging wrong end of funnel', quite possibly no such gymnastics would be necessary if we simply had a
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853143 and always --addnode'd the actually useful nodes, rather than relying on pure chance
mircea_popescu: iirc we had a spec discussion re how to populate nodes.
mircea_popescu: but yes, this is the other half -- need to bake trb nodes that won't get insta-banned by wot-trb on sight because they spew garbage
mircea_popescu: no, recall, was an economic solution, "if node doesn't pay its way it's kicked"
mircea_popescu: but in order for it to work -- yes very much need nodes that don't misbehave.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 22:07 mircea_popescu: now, the historical solutionb to the problem, as well as perhaps a workable solution here, is the intrinsic oracle. if user relays txn to a node WHO MAKES A PROMISE (such as for instance "the txn will be included before block n" ?) then the nodes can be scored by their oracle value ("what he said turned out true!) and suddenly you have a more meaningful node market.
a111: Logged on 2015-08-01 00:30 mircea_popescu: (original design was to simply shutter all connecting peers that fail to provide good $$$ txn, in some sort of %)
a111: Logged on 2015-08-01 00:30 asciilifeform: thing is, this'll result in a very random selection at present
mircea_popescu: infuriatingly enough, i can't find it now. but the discussion was exactly along the same lines, "add user-configurable penalty for communicating shitblocks (any block that isn't the one you were looking for) and any other misbehaviour ; and used-configurable bonus for communicating useful things ; then user-configurable knob for lowest-tolerable-score and ban peers who fall under"
a111: Logged on 2015-01-31 03:13 mircea_popescu: something simple like, "whenever a parentless block is handed over the retaining of which would cause memory pool for holding parentless blocks to be overrun, a) drop the handed block ; b) close the connection and ban that peer for half hour ; c) discard all chains of parentless blocks longer than six items ; d) connect again"
a111: Logged on 2017-01-03 20:33 mircea_popescu: otherwise it is discarded. B.T may be pruned (according to arbitrary address list, for instance). Rate limiting in TRB.N may be constructed to observe N.B items that fail to propagate to B.B and ban the originating peers.
a111: Logged on 2015-05-31 12:11 mircea_popescu: with a time decay, with a penalty for sending bad blocks and a positive for sending good blocks at a good speed.
a111: Logged on 2015-05-31 12:12 mircea_popescu: say something like : every bad block received, -10 points. every minute where connection is kept at 80% of its allocated bw or over, 1 point. every hour score decays 1% towards 0, be it either positive or negative.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 16:07 asciilifeform: potentially could sharpen an already dire 'ecological' problem.
mircea_popescu: but hey, "opted" to not have wot presence, just desserts.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 17:00 BingoBoingo: Oh, they'll flat out say Uruguay is a poor country
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 16:07 BingoBoingo: Argentina's slogan is the lie "Argentina no es un pais pobre", Montevideo's is the truth "Montevideo es muy tranquilo"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose it is a serious bojum that is in no way resolved by smearing shit over eyes.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 16:15 asciilifeform: and theoretically if the cartel births '9000' new sybils, it will force the use of something like my algo, whether anyone wants to or not, the layer of sibylade would become undrillable in its absence . but this is admittedly a stretch.
mircea_popescu: it's just not how it works, "nobody could have seen through shitsoup!!!". really ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 17:02 asciilifeform: relatedly, phunphakt, all of asciilifeform's packets to/from BingoBoingostan, relay through 4.68.72.61 : nsa station in miami.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 17:07 BingoBoingo: International marketing, networking, and the usual bread and butter. There's an advertisement station in front of the closed zoo that they seem to favor.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 17:08 asciilifeform: mighty lotta cheek, for folx who torment a 300 $ crate in tariff hell, to prattle about 'international marketing'
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 17:13 asciilifeform: even per this 'logic', seems like there's a loose end -- so, ok, they sell, SELL, only. bags of benjies -- go in. ~then~ wat.
mircea_popescu: much like just because we have penicillin dun mean tb gave up and left the planet.
trinque: the kernel in current cuntoo is 4.9.95, by virtue solely of being when I took the snapshot
trinque: asciilifeform: what's the word on this "speculative execution" thing? dun matter?
trinque: aite, then that'd be the only thing coming to mind to prevent pulling an older vintage
trinque: certainly miles more attack surface
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 2.6.something ? or which are you thinking ?
mircea_popescu: im altogether uncertain what one gains by replacing ~2005 iron with 2010-2020 iron, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure gb nic works on ye olde opterons just as fine. raids are iffy, depend on all sorta bs ; but definitely exist such thing as proper raid controller in 2005.
mircea_popescu: why ssd specifically ? raid is raid, can raid tape if you want.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, have you measured any of those gb nics you run, how often they actually gb ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno doing what ; even something like the ssh census worked fine on 100mb interface.
mircea_popescu: but i suppose if you're running a camwhore site or something.
deedbot: verisimilitude voiced for 30 minutes.
verisimilitude: I suppose it would be easy to introduce myself by linking to my website.
verisimilitude: For the past several years I'd had the idea of a machine code development tool in my mind and for over a year now I've been working to breathe life into it.
verisimilitude: I call this Meta-Machine Code (MMC) and the article detailing it in general is here:
verisimilitude: I stopped by to perhaps get your opinions or to see what you all are working on lately.
verisimilitude: I didn't write the game, but I did write that document.
verisimilitude: I've been meaning to refine it and also have a version without color.
verisimilitude: It either copies the program into memory or the memory to be executed.
mircea_popescu: well, as to the specific question, this "mmc" item will require some looking.
verisimilitude: I wanted to make a derivative of P" and Brainfuck that was difficult to compile and also make a crude joke.
verisimilitude: That's just to make certain I don't start out confused.
verisimilitude: I've not read them in any detail; I take it I have it wrong, then.
verisimilitude: So, I should write I'm only familiar with this channel because of loper-os.
trinque: plenty of places similar to uninhabited island that one can find
mircea_popescu: i seriously am going to have to drop 2.x kernels ? this is kinda scandalous.
mircea_popescu: im willing to bet nothing worth the mention was added since 2.6 that can't be added in an improved format to great gain.
mircea_popescu: is your idea drivers won't link against 2 line kernel ?
mircea_popescu: conceivably this might run ? ie, not running currently because never tried, not necessarily because impediments ?
mircea_popescu: mind giving it a seeing to ? it'll be a very useful heuristic, imo, "get rk drivers on 2.6 kernel"
mircea_popescu: sorta like a sonar blast to see under this iceberg peak.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 23:24 trinque: the kernel in current cuntoo is 4.9.95, by virtue solely of being when I took the snapshot
mircea_popescu: "i just happened to get dragged to 3.6 line along, dunno"
mircea_popescu: but if this is not so, i'd much rather find out sooner than later.
mircea_popescu: no, typically folks dragged by the please-upgrade.php.rss
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i'm quite certain that it can be made to. <
verisimilitude: I've noticed only one result in the logs for ``yeeloong''.
deedbot: verisimilitude voiced for 30 minutes.
verisimilitude: I suppose I can use the Yeeloong to generate a PGP key.
verisimilitude: It's because I own this hardware that I intend for the first MMC targeting a ``real'' machine to target MIPS. I decided if I ever got one, I'd try to understand it well enough to run my own software directly on the bare metal and in the boot firmware.
verisimilitude: There's bits of GNU, Linux, OpenBSD, Solaris, K&R C, and other nonsense strewn about; there's Perl programs generating MIPS assembler; C programs that clearly invoke undefined behavior and so only work by chance; and other such things.
mircea_popescu: verisimilitude you might as well get one of the rks over in the republica oriental. arm boxes.
verisimilitude: ARM is certainly a better architecture than MIPS ever can be.
mircea_popescu: well, in any case fitter for your prototyping needs as i can see them atm.
mircea_popescu: moreover, a bit of a republican standard, so liable to get more attention.
verisimilitude: I'm rather fond of Big-Endian CISC machines, but those are all rather dead nowadays.
verisimilitude: If you have eight instructions, you're inevitably just going to have a large amount of meta-instructions all the same.
mircea_popescu: and issue a paper slip per instruction, for hand-writeoff
verisimilitude: From my perspective, it would probably be easiest to collect several old home computers and make certain they produce identical results, to get reasonably reliable and trustworthy computing.
mircea_popescu: verisimilitude whole fucking republic consists of this.
mircea_popescu: heck, current trilema header is me with ye olde hp in istanbul.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-15 00:28 asciilifeform: one would read instructions. another, turn a wrench, whatever. third would check that 2 corresponds to 1. then, all three sign under that step in recipe.
verisimilitude: I'd wager I could fit an MMC targeting the 6502 in 64K with only minimal bank switching for larger programs.
verisimilitude: I'd expect those this concerned would host their own IRC.
verisimilitude: Freenode would really be fine with me, if it didn't block Tor.
verisimilitude: Once I get this PGP nonsense sorted out, I'll tell you a story.
BingoBoingo: Think of it this way, how many years have you kept your kidneys without losing them?
verisimilitude: Well, it probably wouldn't be this long if I really had to give it that much thought.
trinque: it's just that in-group signaling about "tee hee lazy"
trinque: the in-group cuts the other direction here.
trinque: verisimilitude: anyhow I wont mind swapping your key later if you want to generate one in more sanitary conditions later, provided you sign for me the new key with old.
verisimilitude: If I don't get it before I run out of time again, I'll just do it later.
verisimilitude: I'm having issues on my Thinkpad with it. I didn't have all of the software installed here.
verisimilitude: On that topic, I've been using GuixSD for a bit; what are you using, asciilifeform?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 01:06 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: make key, you will be able to swap it later by asking politely of trinque
trinque: nope, I have not had time to implement that
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 00:10 mircea_popescu: but i suppose if you're running a camwhore site or something.