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BingoBoingo: I've look at Mac OS 6-7.5.1 dev tools, but... That route tends to lead to shitty implementations of pascal or resedit and 68k assembly
BingoBoingo: Any interesting C programming generally is going to mean moving from mac os to A/UX which... means finding a suitable Mac (68030 based generally) and a hard drive of sufficent capacity
BingoBoingo: I've never really done much with C though, haven't done anything with C on an ancient Mac. Problems that tend to push me to finally string together some code tend to be further up the stack.
BingoBoingo: One dilema I ponder on sometimes is whether the beauty of the ancient macs was due to the talent of the developers, or due to the beauty of 68k assembly.
asciilifeform: constraints.
asciilifeform: no space for a multi-GB turd.
BingoBoingo: Comments from the loper blog now make me think of http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Accts/TS/Wb2/TempleOS.html when I think of successors to the ancient Mac OS legacy
assbot: The Temple Operating System
moiety: mew
asciilifeform: moiety: latest cat count on street == 17.
moiety: o.O
moiety: make it 16 asciilifeform .. go on, you know you want to
moiety: i just heard about this doge TMing business, and i can't stop laughing
BingoBoingo: With a sufficient monetary surplus I think an interesting project would be, introducing feral cats to obesity
moiety volunteers as a feeder
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: doesn't work - they multiply
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's the interesting problem
moiety: win-win? multiple barrel-cats
moiety: what if they got too fat to mate?
BingoBoingo: The less interesting challenge is they migrate.
moiety: and the only ones that could migrate were those uphill that could roll
BingoBoingo: moiety: But the challenge it introduces is soon you have ALL the feral cats to feed
moiety: all teh kittehs - challenge accepted
moiety: someone in the extended family has a pregnant cat.. i may be forced to rehome a small being shortly
BingoBoingo: Of course you the decreases the value of feral cats. Useful ferals like useful farm cats need to catch vermin
BingoBoingo: moiety: From your ghetto "BingoB you you need meet chi so the two of you can talk about mauls for days"
moiety: christ, who's been bothering you? obviously don't know us that well lol
BingoBoingo: moiety: I just popped on, was I think you should just unilaterally switch the site to altcoin and change the mascots to Manuls
asciilifeform: moiety: a question that's been bugging me for years: are there actually distinct species (in the biologist's sense) of cat.
asciilifeform: afaik every hybrid that's ever been attempted in earnest - worked.
moiety: i miss btc .. this crowd is making me lose sanity/... oh was that the beep i heard?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is the very interesting question. I dunno if cats meaningfully have "species"
moiety: asciilifeform: yes, i believe so. like the bobcat we were discussing. or manuls. they are fundementally different from others.. eg manuls have round pupils
BingoBoingo: Except maybe the cheetah with it's canid features. Might not hybridize well.
asciilifeform: moiety: sure, they look quite different. but normally 'species' is defined as a set of individuals which can interbreed.
asciilifeform: pretty much every 'felis' hybrid has been tried, afaik, and worked
asciilifeform: likewise panthera
asciilifeform: (tiglon, jiger, etc)
asciilifeform: leopon.
asciilifeform: examples of felis - 'savannah cat' (domesticus + african serval)
moiety: ah.. then yeah, not that i know of either
asciilifeform: search, youtube is full of hybrid felis
asciilifeform: then the '$64k question' - can we bridge felis and panthera?
asciilifeform: i.e. does there exist 'bridge cat'
asciilifeform: a felis that can breed with some panthera
moiety: asciilifeform: your opinion on word sound.... for my site (eventually) felidae or felinae sound better to you?
moiety: i think with felis and panthera we come into a size issue?
asciilifeform: afaik felidae is standard
asciilifeform: size issue << this is for the 'farmer' to solve via the usual means (artificial insemination)
BingoBoingo: Headline "Tomcat behind highway rest stop knocks up Zoo lioness"
moiety: BingoBoingo: ah yes thats the mid-sex-change dramatis lilyius. a testing pillar of "my ghetto"
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asciilifeform can't seem to find his copy of 'felid hybrids' (great 1970s monograph)
asciilifeform: ^ claimed a successful 'house lynx'
moiety: when they do hybrid, they do seem to turn out just smaller versions of the bigger species
BingoBoingo: moiety: Not always smaller... The main coon is no longer the largest "domestic" cat
asciilifeform: who holds the record?
asciilifeform almost expects to hear 'longcat'
moiety: i do believe it is main coons for the record. they /are/ gigantic
moiety: no longer?
moiety: what is now
BingoBoingo: ;;google savannah cat
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moiety: so my dream of a giant manul is not unthinkable?
moiety: i shall ride the shops on it
moiety: to the *
BingoBoingo: Not all savannah cats are huge, but in the later generations they get Big
asciilifeform: some years ago, a savannah cat escaped in my town, and caused idiots to panic
asciilifeform: (they thought it was man-eating)
moiety: i'd be camping outside with a camera
BingoBoingo: It probably should have been if they paniced like that
asciilifeform: (as i recall, savannah cat is bred in only a few places, and sells for ~$20k each)
BingoBoingo: moiety: You first challenge probably is "manul with robust immune system"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: give it another two decades, and you'll find them among the other ferals
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not so sure about this. ferals tend to be small - probably adaptive, considering the food supply
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: People don't have small dogs in your neighborhood?
moiety: true they are so fragile D;
BingoBoingo: So a friend adopted a kitten, looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cat-MaineCoon-Cookie.png hasn't stopped growing yet. I'm wondering when to break the news...
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moiety: just at any point before they need both arms to pick it up BB
BingoBoingo: He worries that it is getting "fat" but... It grows in every direction.
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BingoBoingo: Including "mouth span"
moiety: cats don't seem to grow like dogs either. as in reaching a certain size at a certain age and stopping. mine have kept growing (albeit slowly) until mid-age
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moiety: !up cowloon
BingoBoingo: moiety: That's true
moiety: BingoBoingo: i can see your friend sitting looking at this giant wondering if it will ever stop lol
moiety: hello cowloon
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BingoBoingo: So... GNU Gnash seems to have improved quite a bit these past couple weeks.
moiety: i didn't even know there was such a thing, was just reading about it. how has it improved?
BingoBoingo: moiety: It now works with Hulu
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not that familiar, no. besides, it shoul;dn't really be seaside weather.
BingoBoingo: Ah, hail's the thing that happens here at least annually and depresses motor vehicle prices
moiety: BingoBoingo: you get the weirdest weather i have ever heard of
mircea_popescu: shithole of the world :D
BingoBoingo: moiety: I though this was just standard for not living on an Island
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i was born in a place where wind over 50mph was newsworthy
moiety: i thought that was uk mircea_popescu? or can't we even excel at that now?!
mircea_popescu: moiety world can have mu;tiple assholes i guess
BingoBoingo: sub 100mph doesn't really make the news unless it spins
moiety: i have been searching for the least windy place to live
BingoBoingo: Wind isn't so bad, it is cleasing.
BingoBoingo: Gives the trees character!
BingoBoingo: Now flooding, that never happpens without making a mess.
fluffypony: morning frendz
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: penguirker better light up!
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: at Frankfurt, only flying to Estonia in an hour
fluffypony: the conference only starts on Thursday
fluffypony: runs till Sunday
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atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 445034.21 in 9 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -37.79
moiety: they are giving us all these different little bins for different recycling here.. in scotland.. they will just blow about ... into things... causing damage... unsure i can take the stress
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atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 444380.80 in 8 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -37.88
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BingoBoingo: Next ATC statement already more interesting than last, how interesting can it get?
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BingoBoingo: !jd mpif
assbot: Bad JD response.
BingoBoingo: !Bad JD
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xmj: fluffypony: do you have wifi on the plane?
fluffypony: xmj: I had on the flight here, but from FRA to TLN I don't think so
xmj: yeah, improbable - they usually fly A319 or 320 -without WiFi
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Apocalyptic: hum, strong bids on x-bt
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Looks like it
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 444380.80 in 8 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -37.88
BingoBoingo: Might explain why
Apocalyptic: indeed, everyone expecting the hoppers' selloff most likely
BingoBoingo: I've notice it has been a while since anyone sold into a bid
punkman: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 307518 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 929 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 3 hours, 52 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 16487794874.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.47129
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BingoBoingo: punkman: Are you sure they are giving her Botox and not MTPT?
BingoBoingo: Sorry, MPTP...
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punkman: is it that good writers don't wanna go to hollywood, or is it that the guild beats them up and deports them when they do?
BingoBoingo: punkman: I really dunno. Occasionally it seems the random mix of writers hollywood gathers occasionally develops a concept well.
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Apocalyptic: he does LvCunts too apparently
BingoBoingo: Whatever happened to that aspiring reincarnation of Carl Sagan
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Lube is everything
punkman: from comments: "Should be sentenced to serve six months hard labia."
pankkake: this is an actual fetish btw
moiety: brb off to post office, will avoid any large vaginas
BingoBoingo: There is nothing wrong with a vagina that can create a large space.
BingoBoingo: All of them do that
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moiety: mew anyone around for a bit of advice?
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BingoBoingo: moiety: Aroud, writing a blog post
punkman: I have all kinds of bad advice
moiety: post office is arguing with me. to send batteries internationally, they need to be attached to the device. an external mac battery is fine isn't it... because it IS the device, right?
punkman: just go to another post office and tell them it's an external disk
BingoBoingo: moiety: Wire it to a Blinkenlight and have it turned off.
moiety: punkman, only got one here. i think i'll just go shout at them a bit
punkman: why'd you tell them it's a battery?
moiety: BingoBoingo: cus of packaging, i cant attach it to anything. but the batteries are contained inside the thing, just like it would be if it were in a laptop already
moiety: because you have to declare it and its not my battery to get confiscated punkman
BingoBoingo: moiety: Use electrical tape.
BingoBoingo: Make it a single thing and ship it as an art piece
pankkake: this is why I hate to receive/send stuff internionally
pankkake: and so many things get "lost"
moiety: oh god don't say that pankkake
punkman: things being lost has been quite rare for me, broken in transit though...
BingoBoingo: I've never had trouble shipping anywhere.
moiety: im not worried about it breaking, its in the original packaging it was sent to me in
moiety: but i am right in telling them the actual batteries are attached to the device, right?
moiety: cus you can't remove them
punkman: moiety: yeah it's not a battery, it's a complete external power storage device
punkman: just ask for the manager or something, clerks got nothing to do but argue
moiety: the guys head is going to melt when i give him that sentence, i can feel it
moiety: right off to argue withthem again, thanks all, back in a wee bit - again
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Namworld: So, PrimeDice still isn't provably fair... Should I bother calling Stunna on it until he fixes it?
Namworld: Or as a competitor, should I leave that to others? hmm...
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BingoBoingo: Namworld: Might as well, you have a vested interest. If not you, who?
punkman: is PrimeDice the biggest dice now?
pankkake: lol, people are betting on a non provably fair site?!
pankkake: why are they so dumb?
pankkake: or maybe how
Namworld: because you can still change the client seed before each bet, making it provably fair. The problem is if you don't, you can be cheated and it's impossible to get caught.
Namworld: A true provably fair system doesn't need EVERYONE to check and doesn't allow any scenario where a cheated bet is impossible to notice.
Namworld: The thing is, they give a new server seed for each bet. Guess what they can do if you don't change your client seed before each bet?
pankkake: oh, so at least it isn't completely obscure
Namworld: There are ways to do it that you can just keep betting and even if the site cheated even only 1 out of 100 bets, there needs only a few people to track a few hundred bets to start discovering unfairness.
Namworld: Like provide new server seed only when asked for and reveal old one. Then change client seed.
Namworld: Like JD does. Then you can spam bet with the sticky server seed. No problem, no cheating.
punkman: was just trying PrimeDice, this happened twice already: I bet, balance updates, bet doesn't show in My Bets list
Namworld: or even better, like Coinroll, use predisclosed hash of daily secret for everyone. Not alterable. Then client seed is BTC deposit tx ID, so we don't provide a default seed for the client.
Namworld: Only way to cheat would be altering bet parameters after the fact to keep matching seeds and rolls, which is completly noticable if even a few users tracks their bets.
Namworld: I'm saying PrimeDice implementation is poor. They could be cheating right now, it would be impossible to notice, even if everyone verified and tracked all their bets.
punkman: the interface is horrible too
Namworld: That's left to opinion. Isn't bad as far as I care.
Namworld: It's more the implementation of their provably fair system.
Namworld: Anyway...
BingoBoingo remembers TradeFortress constantly advocating beautiful provably fair systems and just... Running with the money...
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Namworld: Yeah, as I said, a properly done provably fair system doesn't prevent cheating/stealing. It just makes it impossible to do without the possibility of getting caught.
BingoBoingo: Provably fair ought to be the bare minimum. It is a shame people consider themselvesserious without it.
BingoBoingo: However...
BingoBoingo: Provably fair should be so far below the minimum.
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Namworld: Technically I think there's many smaller places that gives a new server seed before each bet... but that's a poor system.
BingoBoingo: Well, "provably fair" offers some room to choose particulars, but... Can have problems
Namworld: Yes, you can always alter betting parameters
Namworld: "Only way to cheat would be altering bet parameters after the fact to keep matching seeds and rolls, which is completly noticable if even a few users tracks their bets."
Namworld: But you can get caught for that.
Namworld: The way PrimeDice does it, they could cheat without any possibility of getting caught.
Namworld: With all parameters/seeds/rolls always matching and not changing, yet obtaining a house edge that is not 1%
Namworld: At least for players that don't change their client seed before each roll, which is going to be the majority of players.
Namworld: This is poor because the system needs to be so that a minority checking bets will catch the cheating for everyone.
Namworld: Provably fair should imply that any cheating possible under any scenario is possible to catch.
Apocalyptic: it's not
Apocalyptic: even in JD's case cheating by dooglus is impossible to catch
Namworld: How so?
Apocalyptic: he knows the server seed
Namworld: Oh, I mean for players. That's an issue but only for investors.
Apocalyptic: indeed
Namworld: But there's not much way around it.
Namworld: I'm talking strictly users side.
Namworld: In that case it's possible to have a system where any sort of cheating will be possible to catch.
Mats_cd03: doubtful this is a solvable problem
Namworld: the JD one for investors or the all cheating is possible to catch?
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BingoBoingo: The thing about "provably fair" is that like all other transactions it is an offer from one party to another.
BingoBoingo: One party is always by their nature going to be situated better to fuck the person across the table.
pankkake: this has been discussed some time ago; one solution can be to use future block hashes as part of the server seed, however it delays the result
BingoBoingo: "Provably fair" is a tool to mitigate the risk.
Mats_cd03: all cheating. what prevents a server side tweak for 1.1% being switched on and off irregularly to evade persistent monitoring for cheating in your scenario?
Mats_cd03: operator could claim, 'probability lol' when evaluating statistical claims by suspicious users
Namworld: Because then rolls wouldn't match?
Namworld: You can't change to 1.1% without changed the target number/giving the wrong number for the roll.
Mats_cd03: maybe I've misunderstood something here
BingoBoingo: Namworld: Well, a casino operator could "take a gamble" by offering a player a result to the player's detriment that is not provably fair
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Namworld: Yes, but then even if only a small portion checks their bets, it would get caught. Even if a site did it only 1% of the time, it would quickly be discovered.
Namworld: And it would barely provide any advantage. Unless you only do it for very large bets, but those are highly likely to be checked.
Namworld: It's possible to cheat, but it's noticable. Even if not everyone checks.
Namworld: With PrimeDice, if you don't change your client seed before each roll, you could verify every parameter after the bet, see if anything was changed or if seeds match with the roll. It will check out fine, even if PrimeDice cheats.
Namworld: Because they'd be cheating before the rolls with proper seeds provided. Which means they wouldn't need to alter bet parameters after the fact or provide a roll number that doesn't match the seeds.
Namworld: Aka, stealth cheating
Namworld: I'll admit a 100% flawless system is probably not possible... but the PrimeDice implementation is far from even being half-right.
BingoBoingo: Hmmm... -assets doesn't seem as capable of spamming 3rd party sites like it was earlier this year.
Namworld: What?
BingoBoingo: Right, Primedice's implementations suck in that it counts on implementator honesty too heavily
Namworld: It basically doesn't provide any verifiable results unless you change client seed manually before each bet. Which is incredibly poor practice. No user will want to manually change their secret before each bet and type a new random string.
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Namworld: I think he mentioned at some point the provably fair system for PrimeDice would be modified for a 4th version of the website, but eh
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pankkake: I have a hard time rembemering faces
Namworld: He says wouldn't CR and JD be able to cheat by altering provided server seed, explaining exactly what PrimeDice does but CR and JD doesn't...
BingoBoingo: Essentially all provably fair schemes come down to an evaluation of the implementor's reliability.
Apocalyptic: "the point I want to make is his use of the phrase "powerful encryption". There is no such thing. There's only two types of encryption, that which works and that which doesn't" // a fact that still eludes some people
Namworld: it has nothing to do with implementor's reliability and it has all to do with hard maths and frequency of verification on the user's part.
Namworld: The scheme provided itself is the reliability of the site. It either is poor or is strong. Regardless if the owner is untrustworthy or trustworthy.
BingoBoingo: Namworld: You pick an implementation based on the choices the person who implemented it made. If you really want to roll dice you pick the most "fair" system.
Namworld: The owner being trustworthy only impacts risk of fleeing with users' balance.
BingoBoingo: Otherwiase you write off the implementor as a snake BECAUSE they chose poorly
Namworld: Yes, pretty much.
BingoBoingo: The right choice should only have to be Tradefartress vs. Dooglus. Not Dooglus vs. politically correct mathzors
BingoBoingo: Scammers rarely compete with hard targets though when they can spz. an advantage.
Namworld: Eh, anyway...
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moiety: can you block numbers entirely on android or just filter the texts to some inbox you never go into?
BingoBoingo: moiety: No idea. I have a flip phone.
kakobrekla: calls you can block
moiety: mines not an android but rather than change my number i thought i would just get an android. i like my number but i cant get rid of this creep
asciilifeform: moiety: null ringtone. works even on ancient phone.
moiety: its texts that are the problem so far
BingoBoingo: moiety: I'm telling sharpie in the pooper... blackmail... peace
moiety: asciilifeform: it's only one number though, i don't want to miss other messages
asciilifeform: moiety: most phones, even late '90s vintage, let you set ring tones by number
moiety is trying
kakobrekla: on android you can go step beyond that so the caller will get a dropped line
moiety: yeahthis wee thing can't do it asciilifeform
moiety: i can get a wee basic android no problem
kakobrekla: (i blocked my isp)
pankkake: my nokia dumbphone can do it
moiety: can't even block n umbers for calls on this
moiety: its a wee fb phone
pankkake: though my mobile operator also now has a blocking service
pankkake: facebook phone?
moiety: yeah mum picked it up when mine broke not knowing anything about phones. facebook for vodaphone thing
moiety: i can't do anything normal, but i can update my status.. sigh*
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BingoBoingo takes a smoke break, tired of inhaling strange
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moiety: kakobrekla: thank you. i got it but i have no idea how to install. i think i'm a lost cause
punkman: "We feel that Jersey is perfectly positioned to become a cryptocurrency-friendly jurisdiction. We’ve got a very highly-regarded finance industry with world class AML/KYC expertise."
moiety: scrap that think i got it
moiety: meh command not found a million times
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2253 @ 0.00077913 = 1.7554 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo proposes an excelent exercise for anyone wanting to test their organic chemistry knowledge, cleaning another person's bathroom.
assbot: Detroit activists call for UN help as city shuts off water for thousands | Al Jazeera America
assbot: ECJ Declares Data Retention Directive Invalid - Data Protection - European Union
kakobrekla: hm nevermind i got scrolled.
kakobrekla: dat thing is old
assbot: ITAR-TASS: Economy - Russia wants to replace US computer chips with local processors
Mats_cd03: fending off the boys moiety?
pankkake: !up miaoux
pankkake: miaou !
moiety: just a creepy weirdo in the extended family i have never met Mats_cd03 rather just block it than cause problems
miaoux: lol
assbot: Google Building a Domain Registration Service - Slashdot
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 438899.48 in 5 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -38.65
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: 235 Low: 199 VWAP: 216
mod6: %tslb
atcbot: 1 hour 42 minutes and 14 seconds
mod6: %ob
atcbot: 35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 | 1000k@199 33k@177 750k@175
assbot: ASA Updates Algorithm to Account for Red-Heads | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
pankkake: Quoting numerous recent red head studies published in The Lancet, the ASA did confirm that red heads do in fact have souls, the carpet matches 90% of the time, most red heads hate when ‘red headed slut’ shots are ordered for them, and yes they truly are amazing in bed.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
pankkake: looks scientific enough. I'd they less than 90% though
assbot: National Arthritic Society Lobbies for Climate Change | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Honestly there is only one way to investigate such claims
pankkake: yes - do you know how I could get this kind of Scientific Research funded?
BingoBoingo: pankkake: I dunno, maybe find someone with experience writing grants?
assbot: X-ray of a 900 pound man. http://t.co/DWukhHvSuj
assbot: Even venture-backed Bitcoin miner startup cant deliver on time, gets sued | Ars Technica
assbot: Comedy silver, or: The only people more delusional than bitcoiners are litecoiners. : Buttcoin
mike_c: heh. just that title is hilarious.
assbot: Florida Man Faces $48k Fine For Jamming Drivers' Cellphones - Slashdot
assbot: Great /DLind cardstack on the recent wave of child migrants coming to the US to escape violence in Central America. http://t.co/AHt2wdLXy3
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 437759.59 in 2 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -38.81
BingoBoingo: 2 Blocks to ATC diff change
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 585.73, Best ask: 586.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.26000, Last trade: 586.99, 24 hour volume: 4255.87860255, 24 hour low: 582.0, 24 hour high: 591.92, 24 hour vwap: 586.544403643
jurov: ;;ticker --currency eur
gribble: Bitstamp BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 430.848545, Best ask: 431.775275, Bid-ask spread: 0.92673, Last trade: 431.775275, 24 hour volume: 4266.35277512, 24 hour low: 428.061, 24 hour high: 435.35716, 24 hour vwap: 431.403388611
assbot: Agent: LeBron Will Opt Out Of Miami Contract, Become Free Agent
assbot: BitBet - LeBron James to take his talents elsewhere :: 0.03 B (25%) on Yes, 0.09 B (75%) on No | closing in 3 months 3 weeks | weight: 98`864 (100`000 to 1)
BingoBoingo: "At this point, we don't know anything about LeBron's plans other than the fact that he is opting out of his current contract. This doesn't necessarily mean that he is bolting Miami for another team. This could be LeBron positioning himself to re-sign with the Heat at a discounted rate so they can build a better team around him, and it could even be the first step in the elaborate bring-Melo-to-Miami scheme that was reportedly bei
BingoBoingo: ng explored earlier this month."
mircea_popescu: "This could be LeBron positioning himself to re-sign with the Heat at a discounted rate so they can build a better team around him"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha WHAT THE FUCK
mircea_popescu: "he's opting out to give us more money"
mircea_popescu: what do they put in the us water supply ? dumbherb ?
[]bot: Bet placed: 6 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.16299681 BTC. Current weight: 4,727.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well... in most of the US maintaining water delivery infrastructure is a low priority... Lead pipes are a menace not unlike aluminium mains wiring
mircea_popescu: i guess they must be
BingoBoingo: It isn't unheard of for athletes to take less money, but it always happens when the contract has expired or when they want to negotiate for more years at less money per year.
mike_c: well, salary isn't their total income. they can make more in aggregate by being on a winning team (endorsements, etc.)
BingoBoingo: Never though for the cause of "I want less to be the shiniest specialest person on the team"
jurov: btw lead pipes aren't the problem, water tends to deposit minerals to the sides that limit lead poisoning
jurov: but the fact that nobody knows where the pipes are at all
jurov: in NYC large part of water is not even paid for because of this
mircea_popescu: mike_c they're going to be on a winning team by moving to one that can pay,
mircea_popescu: not by subsidizing idiots.
mircea_popescu: jurov true.
mike_c: yeah, but national sports are monopolies. teams have salary caps.
asciilifeform: re: russian 'arm' cpu hype << same sad story as 'elbrus' company. the latter started out as a somewhat original superscalar design, ended up a cheap pentium clone. they succumbed to the temptation of the ussr starting in '70s - clone common cpu, run l33t w4r3z.
BingoBoingo: Is it sad that I find the HP "the machine" announcement more encouraging than the Russian arm one?
asciilifeform: neither is particularly interesting, imho. both intend to run the same idiot stack forever.
BingoBoingo: The HP stuff seems interesting at least for what can be done with used stuff 10 years after release.
BingoBoingo: 10-20 years out will be interesting in any scenario simply because of how will people react to bumping against Moore's law at the least.
BingoBoingo: Who knows maybe once fabs bottom out around 5nm people might start making "sea of gates" FPGAs again
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 106 @ 0.04100211 = 4.3462 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: BingoBoingo: MSFT already does, have you seen?
BingoBoingo: jurov: It's not just that there are FPGAs though, but a certain kind...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if it's a 'xilinx' or 'altera' - you're stuck with the vendor's closed turd.
jurov: oh that, will come naturally after sufficiently smart compilers
asciilifeform: both of the major (well, only ones worth mentioning) fpga vendors make most of their profit from renting out license to use their libraries (ethernet controller, soft cpu cores, etc.) and not from hardware. hence the tightly closed architectures.
asciilifeform: (reasoning being, were they to open the specs, anyone could cut open the libs and never pay the ransom)
BingoBoingo: At some point the price of fabbing "state of the art" will go down, simply because "state of the art" hits a wall.
asciilifeform: state of the art in, e.g. steel production, hasn't changed in decades
asciilifeform: own a backyard steel mill ?
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
BingoBoingo: Well, I've reprocess aluminum there before.
BingoBoingo: *reprocessed
asciilifeform: it may very well be possible to produce 'backyard cpu,' but refinement of traditional fabrication methods won't get you there
asciilifeform: 'can't get to the moon by piling up chairs'
BingoBoingo: I'm not thinking backyard, I'm thinking whoever Avalon et al hired to do their baking.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> jurov: It's not just that there are FPGAs though, but a certain kind... << it's actually likely to see a proper war around this.
mircea_popescu: denying chips is pretty much the best way to keep people doing service "jobs".
assbot: Cheng Cheng: Boy, 2, addicted to alcohol in China's Anhui province | Metro News
asciilifeform remembers one of the less-discussed reasons for vietnam war - the buggers had the temerity to build semiconductor plants
jurov is sad nobody seemed to notice the "sufficiently spart compilers" snark
moiety: BingoBoingo: you didn't visit china a couple years back did you?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.78645505 BTC to 9`565 shares, 18677 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: jurov we're just waking up over here lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform their temerity runs in the fambly it seems. they now have the temerity to fight china over sea oil.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Nah
BingoBoingo: jurov: But pointing out that snark might highlight it too agressively for certain listeners...
mike_c: jurov: is this working? https://coinroll.it/stats bets counter is going up but nothing showing in table
assbot: Coinroll
assbot: Coinroll
mike_c: ah
jurov: we migrated the domain
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re: your x11 wm post: the funny thing is, i originally grew fond of 'ratpoison' wm precisely because, years ago, as student, i used an uncommonly small laptop.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: (you mentioned wanting a traditional wm specifically for miniature computers, which i found odd)
assbot: Qu pasar con el valor del dlar si la Argentina le paga a los fondos buitre?
mircea_popescu: not much either way.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: interesting
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: example of this machine: http://www.notanon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/gentoo_libretto.jpg << the circular object underneath 'intel' sticker is the mouse. two buttons on the back of lid.
assbot: Wanna know the pwd for the Brasil world cup security center WiFi nw? It's on the whiteboard ;-) /hashtag/fail?src=hash http://t.co/XD6ujqk5nq
asciilifeform: ^ when this is your 'mouse,' mouseless wm is appealing.
BingoBoingo: It must be
assbot: Bash glob arbitrary code execution
benkay: haha
benkay: i thought a neighbor was leaving for the morning, and ran outside in my underoos to return a key
benkay: turns out it was another neighbor's girl, my ins broker
Mats_cd03: im in the same room as bruce schneier right now
Mats_cd03: his ponytail is scruffy.
benkay: amusingly, the one who won't ride his bike naked
assbot: Why I suspect Schneier is an US agent. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Mats_cd03: i have read it
Mats_cd03: dude is too much of a hippie fuck for that to be true
Mats_cd03: incompetent, maybe
assbot: [Today] (In)Security in Home Embedded Devices | Berkman Center
pankkake: I didn't picture him as a hippie (and certainly not incompetent)
davout: has -assets already discussed DigitalBTC (digitalbtc.com) ?
assbot: digitalbtc
mircea_popescu: benkay so did you return her key ?
benkay: pf no wrong girl
mike_c: hah, look at that. search.b-a is so much better than google site:logs.b-a.
mircea_popescu: jurov that's been known for a while no ?
jurov: yes. but it never ceases to entertain me
mircea_popescu: <Mats_cd03> dude is too much of a hippie fuck for that to be true << o.O
mircea_popescu: jurov actually if it ever gets "fixed" i guess asciilifeform's point about how linux goes to shit like everything goes to shit under the pressurte of popularity wil lbe quite breathtakingly proven
benkay: so the girl and i've been perverting the refrain to "rock me like a hurricane" all morning
benkay: particular winners:
benkay: "whorricane"
benkay: "dock me like a faggot king"
benkay: i had to dig up a demonstration of docking for that one to make sense to the lady
TomServo: a...demonstration?
mircea_popescu: TomServo he prolly doesn't know the old meaning of the term
benkay: doesn't a whoreicane sound great?
benkay: what, docking or demonstrations?
benkay: ;;ud dock
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dock | Dock. to place the foreskin of your dick over someone else's penis head. Clay Aiken docked Lance Bass when he came out of the closet. by hitman912 ...
benkay: there is a whole internet of examples...
mircea_popescu: benkay "and if you don't, they dock ya"
assbot: ... and they dock ya! - YouTube
BingoBoingo: ;;ud sound docking
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sound%20Docking | The act of inserting one's penis into another man's urethra. See also Sounding and Docking.
benkay: what movie's that from?
benkay: hudsucker proxy...
mircea_popescu: hudsucker ya
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com docking
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[]bot: Bet placed: 2.2 BTC for No on "World Cup 2014: English to net more than 6 goals" http://bitbet.us/bet/939/ Odds: 6(Y):94(N) by coin, 8(Y):92(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.7986 BTC. Current weight: 66,270.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 436273.12 in 1 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.01
atcbot: 51 minutes and 22 seconds
atcbot: 35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 | 1000k@199 33k@177 750k@175
davout: pankkake: thx!
Mats_cd03: sum of this talk: embedded devices r fucked, forever, but you can reduce the attack surface by installing openwrt.
Mats_cd03: imo, pr0j3k7 m4yh3m is how this gets triaged
mircea_popescu: or by using better embeded stuff
atcbot: 21 minutes and 51 seconds
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 511511.43 in 2016 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: 0.00
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: 235 Low: 199 VWAP: 216
mircea_popescu: !up Menno
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 19098 BTC profit, 8.7k BTC invested, 1269.21 mio bets, 5.32 mio BTC wagered
mike_c: 40k divested so far. not bad.
Apocalyptic: wait, only 8.7k invested
Apocalyptic: what happened ?
mike_c: they shut down
rithm: wah wah wah
Apocalyptic: I see, missed the news
[]bot: Bet created: "Michelle Keegan to be FHM's 2015 Sexiest Woman" http://bitbet.us/bet/963/
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: You were right about my most recent article sucking in terms of prose. I'm going to fix that after I finish writing part 2.
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: and the devices in existence? what about them?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.041031 = 0.8206 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.041031 = 0.6975 BTC [-]
assbot: China Starts Outsourcing From ... the US - Slashdot
moiety: hmm docking... my eyes get wider every day in here.... :]
mike_c: hm. bitcoind says that when you encrypt your wallet, previous backups of unencrypted wallet will no longer work. this seems.. impossible.
mike_c: either previous backup could send those coins or it couldn't. i dun get it.
mike_c: ah, because it lies. this makes sense.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 100 @ 0.0559801 = 5.598 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00350000 / 0.00361356 / 0.00399990 (185 shares, 0.66850777 BTC), 7D: 0.00350000 / 0.00420716 / 0.00452500 (2122 shares, 8.92760209 BTC), 30D: 0.00280000 / 0.00412542 / 0.00568031 (5652 shares, 23.31686459 BTC)
fluffypony: ;;rated xmj
gribble: You have not yet rated user xmj
fluffypony: ;;rate xmj 1 not only have we broken bread, but we have broken wild boar. Also, took me on a tour of Old Town, Tallinn, Estonia.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user xmj has been recorded.
fluffypony: goat was going to come to the conference?
fluffypony: "im sorry again i cant make it. i have two different personal things making this not doable. im very sorry."
rithm: chaaaaaaaang-nooooi
thestringpuller: fluffypony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
thestringpuller: riithtttttttthhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
fluffypony: thestringpuller!!!!!!!1111oneoneoneonetyone
thestringpuller: hooray for internet!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.21974574 = 2.1975 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.04101171 = 0.5742 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Quantifiably unsane: Vessyl | Locklin on science
[]bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 26(Y):74(N) by weight. Total bet: 20.26299681 BTC. Current weight: 4,512.
Mats_cd03: xmj and fluffypony sitting in a tree
jurov: xmj riding fluffypony
Mats_cd03: k-i-s-s-i-n-g
Mats_cd03: whoa thats explicit this is a PG channel
jurov: waitwhat k*ssing is explicit nao?
jurov: !up navhul-lacsup
jurov: !up justusranvier
jurov: !up ak__
jurov: !up CoalPowerGorilla
jurov: !up cedivad
jurov: !up kermit
jurov: speak up damnit :D
cedivad: so, hashfast got 20 millions in and they were able to destroy all of that value.
cedivad: I'm looking at the filing right now.
cedivad: they must have won something
cedivad: ct got something like 25M and are doing just fine
jurov: what did hashfast blow $$ on?
assbot: Bitcoin miner startup HashFast could be forced to liquidate | Ars Technica
jurov: The involuntary bankruptcy filing came days after HashFast’s CEO told Ars that his company was “as poor as church mice.” Prior to that, the company fired half of its staff and declared “we’re not scammers.”
cedivad: they basically decided to destroy the company in December when they saw that they would have had huge lawsuits against them due to their lies
cedivad: so they sinked the ship and got everything out via alternative means, imho
cedivad: what they spent 20M on... Good question, the filings are not answering to that for now
jurov: linked article mentions parnership with some PepperMining anon company, maybe that was it
cedivad: nah, that was the tip of the iceberg. And ars is good, but not good enought. it's difficult for us to understand what is really going on, a jurnalist cannot do miracles
jurov: you're from ars?
jborkl: peppermining is jsut two guys buying chips
cedivad: lol, no. I'm a poor guy that spent more than what should have lost pre-ordering from HashLabs
jborkl: they said "accounting is a wreck and can't find millions" <- probably is there
Mats_cd03: best case, it went into holding btc and the guys at the top are making out like princes.
Mats_cd03: worst case... poor house.
Mats_cd03: and american prisons.
cedivad: yes, there are many addresses we know of that holded our BTC payments since August/September
cedivad: Barber claimed that they were payments to suppliers, but he has still to prove that.
jurov: !up cedivad
jurov: !up chax
jurov: !up Swadq
Swadq: Cheers
jurov: hello
jurov: !up bigtip
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.20001187 = 1.0001 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.04265517 = 1.237 BTC [+] {2}
FabianB: $traded
empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: S.MPOE X.EUR
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.19804922 = 2.5746 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 256 @ 0.195 = 49.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00077799 = 0.778 BTC [-]
mthreat: search.bitcoin-assets.com updated - changes:
mthreat: - Now sorts by date by default (option to sort by relevance)
mthreat: - Add JSON output for IRC bot integration
mthreat: - Tried to improve line spacing
mthreat: - Better error messages, instead of blank pages
mthreat: - Better page <title>, for assbot benefit
mthreat: - Fixed UTF-8 for accented/non-Latin characters
benkay: SHIP IT
kakobrekla: good stuff mthreat!
mthreat: kakobrekla: add &output=json for json. I can change the JSON output if you like, for gribble (do you run gribble?)
kakobrekla: no i dun run gribble, assbot will take care of this - but, my thought was just to make assbot build the url query for you on the chan, no json needed
kakobrekla: like "blah!search blah" and it returns
assbot: 68 results for 'blah' - #bitcoin-assets search
mthreat: cool
kakobrekla: but aside that, i can make you ?json to parse the stuff from logs if you want
kakobrekla: still daily , just w/o the html stuff
mthreat: it's not really necessary.. the parsing is pretty easy using JSoup
kakobrekla: as you wish
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.21987562 = 1.5391 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 14 @ 0.03847462 = 0.5386 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: * Ignatius-otc (~root@gateway/tor-sasl/ignatius-otc) << what could possibly go wrong
thestringpuller: ;;seen jurov
gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 19 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <jurov> !up bigtip
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03:mircea_popescu: and the devices in existence? what about them? << burn them.
mircea_popescu: help gdp
mircea_popescu: moiety: hmm docking... my eyes get wider every day in here.... :] <<< i wouldn't worry while it's just the eyes.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: ah, because it lies. this makes sense. << it flushes the 100 pre-generated addies.
mircea_popescu: so in that sense.
mircea_popescu: cedivad: so, hashfast got 20 millions in and they were able to destroy all of that value. << listing what, a d. ?
mircea_popescu: but if it makes you feel any better, they were never populat here. not that ct ever was.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 99 @ 0.04203706 = 4.1617 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty lulzy
mircea_popescu: cedivad: Barber claimed that they were payments to suppliers, but he has still to prove that. << that'd be unlikely. depends a lot of the jurisdiction and everything, but in general speaking the manager can just say "we have no more money" and that's that. he doesn't have to prove how he spent it. you may prove he misspent it and then it could escalate to fraud, but in general, in a bankruptcy, a manager is not going t
mircea_popescu: o have to prove shit.
mike_c: knc, relatively speaking, is on the ball. last week they shipped (300 x 3) = 900 TH/s, and a similar amount over the next week.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00077799 = 11.5143 BTC [-]
mike_c: in other news, over *twenty* petahashes have come online in the last week or so
mike_c: what. the. fuck.
mircea_popescu: people realising they're getting left out.
mike_c: where is it coming from??
mircea_popescu: by mid summer every government with pretensions will be mining.
mike_c: who else could it be. this is serious horsepower.
mike_c: hey TheNewDeal. by the way. don't bet against difficulty.
mircea_popescu: mike_c people interested in mysteries will now go into the logs to see when i first made certain unsubstantiated claims and then apply engineering timeframes to the window ellapsed.
mike_c: quite awhile ago.
mike_c: plus, it's easy now! search.b-a ftw
mircea_popescu: yeah, quite a while ago. enough to ship 3 generations of cardano :D
mike_c: hehe
TheNewDeal: mike_c why did this need to be repeated?
TheNewDeal: I thought that you and BB were betting against, and I was for 14B
mike_c: seemed relevant. not a dig.
TheNewDeal: Trust me, I have learned my lessons
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Germany will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/931/ Odds: 95(Y):5(N) by coin, 88(Y):12(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.82942216 BTC. Current weight: 16,720.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust TheNewDeal
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TheNewDeal!465aebee@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.70.90.235.238. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user TheNewDeal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=TheNewDeal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TheNewDeal | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014
mircea_popescu: not trusting you! you've not learned your lessons!
TheNewDeal: I'm currently learning my lesson
TheNewDeal: I'll get in your trust network sometime
TheNewDeal: just need to find a trustworthy event
TheNewDeal: ;;gettrust assbot bitcoinpete
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bitcoinpete | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete | Rated since: Fri Mar 28 09:14:47 2014
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00077486 = 8.6009 BTC [-] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for No on "South Korea will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/937/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 39(Y):61(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.27207284 BTC. Current weight: 16,620.
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "World Cup top scorer to net > 7" http://bitbet.us/bet/905/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 88(Y):12(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.83257221 BTC. Current weight: 54,944.
cazalla: bitcoinpete: fwiw, i was going to bet on the same one but didn't as i thought it was borderline and likely to be refunded
kakobrekla: look what you have done now mp
mircea_popescu: dun worry, this is just to give them a false sense of security.
mircea_popescu: we scam everyone later.
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Portugal will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/932/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.63982192 BTC. Current weight: 16,591.
kakobrekla: oh ok, good plan
TheNewDeal: what'd I miss?!
TheNewDeal: oooh the World cup controversey
TheNewDeal: who was the better with the idea to keep bets going until the last moment?
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.93 BTC for No on "South Korea will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/937/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 29(Y):71(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.20207284 BTC. Current weight: 16,528.
TheNewDeal: ooooh getting me excited for my rock climbing trip next weekend
TheNewDeal: I'll show her an expert crack climb
mircea_popescu: so ripe for linguistic exploitation that
cazalla: you're climbing a rock monyanna?
mircea_popescu: no, he's clinging to a crack
mircea_popescu: the crack that separates limb from limb
TheNewDeal: I'm rock climbing around 4th of July weekend. not next
TheNewDeal: headed to land of smoker's paradise
TheNewDeal: pretty disappointed that I wasn't the winner of the bitbet adjudicating record with my bitcon price above $525 in may bet. seems like there was a little bit of leniency with this sports bets with the date adjustments
mircea_popescu: there was
mircea_popescu: whats an adjudication record ?
TheNewDeal: in bitcoinpetes blog it looked like you said you or kako had never adjudicated on a bitbet
cazalla: betting mid game of 3rd match is still a risk though if it's an hour until the block is confirmed, that's the other reason i avoid mid game bets
mircea_popescu: cazalla this is true
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal well, it's the mod's job. they normally do a good job of it, but not always.
TheNewDeal: my case was a little iffy regardless
TheNewDeal: last minute bet on a price cross
mircea_popescu: (previous case like that was hmmm
mircea_popescu: lemme dig for it
assbot: The anatomy of a disaster pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: there, about a year ago
TheNewDeal: should have made a bet that was "bitbet will allow another negative bet"
TheNewDeal: latest urge to impulse bet is the FHM bet. Last year's sum was so high!
TheNewDeal: well not super high, but the winners made like 3X payout.
cazalla: TheNewDeal: do you bet to have some fun with it type shit or are you the sorta guy that knows the bounce you get off different sort of wood on basketball courts?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19489 @ 0.00077654 = 15.134 BTC [+] {2}
TheNewDeal: well I played basketball and up until 8th grade and wasn't good enough to make it on the freshman team
TheNewDeal: no basketball analogy fails
TheNewDeal: I'm the type of person that stays away from everything at the casino that designed to make you lose on purpose, and heads straight to the poker tables
TheNewDeal: take said bet here
assbot: BitBet - Block 315k mined on or before July 28th :: 0.44 B (5%) on Yes, 8.39 B (95%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 5 days | weight: 15`645 (100`000 to 5`000)
TheNewDeal: I bet *very* late in the game
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00077355 = 10.0562 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: but I knew what the return would be. I also looked at the return for people who might have a much larger BTC stake than myself
TheNewDeal: was quite sure that no larger bets would come on the same side. Made sure that the outcome was a rare event, and felt very confident in betting
cazalla: what's your best bet?
TheNewDeal: to date, will be 14B in may
cazalla: this one paid ok considering i only bet chump change amounts http://bitbet.us/bet/832/difficulty-at-block-302-400-over-10-billion/
assbot: BitBet - Difficulty at block 302,400 over 10 billion :: 0.05 B (11%) on Yes, 0.43 B (89%) on No | closed 1 month 1 week ago
TheNewDeal: urrr not may, but bastille day
cazalla: shame more people didn't bet on that prop though
TheNewDeal: shhhh
TheNewDeal: that's me you're raping
cazalla: orly?
TheNewDeal: very poorly designed bet if I might add
TheNewDeal: was my first approved
cazalla: i'm hoping a win on the knc bet but expect to lose given criteria even though they've begun shipping
TheNewDeal: well don't they also have to perform to spec?
cazalla: yes that too
TheNewDeal: best resolved bet to date was this I guess. http://bitbet.us/bet/800/bitcoin-price-above-525-before-may/#b27 12% return over a 24 hr period :D
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin price above $525 before May :: 10.29 B (87%) on Yes, 1.51 B (13%) on No | closed 2 months 1 week ago
TheNewDeal: I guess it wasn't really that large though if you add in my late bet that was refunded as well
kakobrekla: bitcoinpete did like 30% in less than an hour ?
TheNewDeal: well thats pretty fucking fantastic if you ask me
TheNewDeal: I'm trying to get away from the risky bets myself
TheNewDeal: played too much with the price bets when I started and just ended up making little for risking lots
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00077394 = 6.0367 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: On a slightly different topic. Was the Nanking massacre related to the Treaty of Versailles ? Was talking about the Nanking massacre just the other day at work with someone, he was talking about the Nazis being involved, and I didn't realize Germany had given Japan some land in China a couple decades before
assbot: 7 results for 'tumblr.com' - #bitcoin-assets search
assbot: 44 results for 'tumblr' - #bitcoin-assets search
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mthreat: the former is not indexed yet
mthreat: I indexed an hour or so ago
[]bot: Bet created: "Berkshire Hathaway BRK-B to close at over $135 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/964/
mircea_popescu: mthreat but if you look, plenty of similar links yest
mircea_popescu: i think there's some sort of funk in url tokenization maybe
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automaton to the death!
mthreat: ah yeah. "tumblr.com" matches 7 because those 7 have "/tumblr_xyz" in the url, which gets tokenized so it has the token "tumblr"
mthreat: ^ wait nevermind what i just said
mike_c: what a title
assbot: S.WOL last @0.00000000
mircea_popescu: won't last long.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: yeah it looks like url tokenization just isn't very smart
asciilifeform: congrats mike_c
mike_c: thanks!
mircea_popescu: mthreat i suggest just break urls on all nonalphanum
mthreat: mircea_popescu: best bet is probably use: tumblr*
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust mike_c
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mike_c!~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mike_c: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 23 via 11 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=mike_c | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mike_c | Rated since: Sun Nov 24 21:18:22 2013
mircea_popescu: ;;rated mike_c
gribble: You rated user mike_c on Tue May 27 19:08:51 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Model blogger, dev..
mircea_popescu: ;;rate mike_c We're partners in WoL. He also runs btcalpha.com, which is a standard on Bitcoin media.
gribble: Error: "We're" is not a valid integer.
kakobrekla: o nice, congrats to both
mircea_popescu: ;;rate mike_c 3 We're partners in WoL. He also runs btcalpha.com, which is a standard on Bitcoin media.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mike_c has changed from 3 to 3.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate mike_c 3 We're partners in WoL. He also runs btcalpha.com, which is a standard for Bitcoin reporting.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mike_c has changed from 3 to 3.
mircea_popescu: clearer. mazel tov
mircea_popescu: mike_c maybe add webirc to here on contact form ?
mike_c: if channel so desires. didn't want to impose without asking.
mike_c: s/desires/allows/
TheNewDeal: ooooh my this GoW looks interesting
TheNewDeal: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: 235 Low: 199 VWAP: 216
mircea_popescu: well people can just pm you. with the voice rules, it';s unlikely anyone can bother anything
mike_c: ok
TheNewDeal: who owns x-bt?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic
TheNewDeal: really liking this site
mircea_popescu: should be fun to play.
TheNewDeal: seems like a very advanced way to... lose money
TheNewDeal: looking for previous games though, can't find them
mike_c: there's free money in every GoW.
TheNewDeal: Watch some of the old games to get a feel for things, and then dive in!
TheNewDeal: can i get a linky?
mike_c: from home page, see 'finished' game on left
mike_c: also sample game linked in help section
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.kp.ru/ ahahah this still exists!
assbot: KP.RU , , -, - // KP.RU
mike_c: but i will link that line too. good feedback.
assbot: - // KP.RU
TheNewDeal: should pay someone to put up some signs at MIT advertising this WoL
mircea_popescu: is that some sort of show trial ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only! they have a net stream radio!
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal indeed.
mike_c: ;;calc 5 / [ticker --last]
gribble: 0.00872585120679
mike_c: cheap advertising :)
TheNewDeal: what happens to GoW once 1000 blocks are through? Turns into a Mini Game?
mircea_popescu: so these kids had a sort of fight club ?
mike_c: it's over, next game starts.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: says they plugged a journalist
mike_c: easiest way to get into is to try it. ATC are cheap.
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: 235 Low: 199 VWAP: 216
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 37 @ 0.22615217 = 8.3676 BTC [+] {16}
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 511511.43 in 1997 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: 0.00
BingoBoingo: OMG No pool hoppers.
mike_c: yet
TheNewDeal: I'm not worried about the price of ATC, already checked up on that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.2300909 = 2.531 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: not as cheap as doge, but, hey.
TheNewDeal: I'm wondering if the Game of Life just restarts every "week", or if some other cellular automata game will replace it
mike_c: Game of the Week restarts every 1000 blocks
mike_c: home page on the left is a link to next week's game
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.231 = 0.924 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> seems like a very advanced way to... lose money << bout 1%.
mircea_popescu: icecream is a less advanced way to lose money.
TheNewDeal: hahaha truth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00077359 = 12.5708 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: after all, you could just inject glucose
TheNewDeal: not seeing said link mike_c
TheNewDeal: this is homepage, correct https://atc.waroflife.com/?
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automaton to the death!
mike_c: yeah. game 8 on left/top is last week's game. below that, game 10, is next week's game.
TheNewDeal: ahhh I gotcha
mike_c: and by "week" i mean 1000 blocks.
TheNewDeal: what I'm wondering is this. How many 1000 block games will be played?
mike_c: hopefully infinite.
mike_c: make sense at all? every 1000 blocks a new game starts?
TheNewDeal: just confused me with the name Game of Week, thought there might be a totally different game next week
TheNewDeal: and GoL would turn into a minigame or something
mike_c: it is not as simple as dice, but hopefully some find it fun.
TheNewDeal: most definitely. I think it will appeal to the btc crowd
mircea_popescu: !up Illumination
TheNewDeal: gotta head to bed though
csshih: oops
mike_c: thanks for checking it out.
TomServo: Looks pretty cool guys, nice work.
TomServo: Is there a target date for the grand opening?
BingoBoingo: Nice work mike_c
mike_c: thanks bingo.
mike_c: TomServo: not yet
Vexual: neato, I like how there isn't an eplilepsy warning
mike_c: live on the edge
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23 = 0.69 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 571.52, vol: 6803.07747613 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 565.76, vol: 3725.13007 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 575.6, vol: 6506.2024117 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 580.0, vol: 48.925372 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 585.461604, vol: 2031.13920000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 586.15372, vol: 2.82964216 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 571.326, vol: 35.10755019 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: --more
gribble: Error: That's all, there is no more.
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 573.287682316
BingoBoingo: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13044 @ 0.00077589 = 10.1207 BTC [+]
TomServo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 307671 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 776 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 16578107258.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 23.14213
mircea_popescu: Vexual> neato, I like how there isn't an eplilepsy warning << lmao
mircea_popescu: mike_c i tell you it needs calmer colors
mircea_popescu: TomServo shouldn't be long now.
mike_c: it's the royal color!
peterl: hi ya'all
Mats_cd03: TheNewDeal: no. nanking was p much like any other like pillaging, just with better records
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: bitcoinpete did like 30% in less than an hour ? << take that buffett ;)
peterl: war is hell
peterl: not that I would know, I try to avoid it
bitcoinpete: i've been getting twitter spammed all day over btcjam doing what btcjam does
bitcoinpete: some dood had loans made under his account without his authorization
bitcoinpete: nor without any authorization being required
mircea_popescu: got gpg, why use it.
bitcoinpete: not that btcjam had any reputation to speak of here, just that the word is getting out
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: gp…. g?
assbot: What exactly is Titcoin? Find out in today's Money & Tech News Update /OfficialTitcoin http://t.co/rFCWEExhud http://t.co/ZUzHp7o7NV
bitcoinpete: teaching dem about buttcoins
bitcoinpete: titcoins thinks there's a market for butts AND tits
bitcoinpete: i'm skeptical
mircea_popescu: i need someone to herd the naked girls for bitcoin subreddit for me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.046 = 0.644 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Keep the colors!
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: likes reddit. maybe he'll volunteer to coral 'em
bitcoinpete: s/coral/corral
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.04734838 = 1.4678 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: seems to busy with his scamcoin w/e that is
bitcoinpete: horizontalcoin iirc
mircea_popescu: there you go pankkake, you beat feedly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00077639 = 6.2111 BTC [+] {2}
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