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asciilifeform: watch for bumps.
asciilifeform: (unless you're a complete noob)
asciilifeform: if i want coldwallets in ampoules, i'll seal them myself
asciilifeform: you could improve virtually any field, not only physics, with Extreme Muppet Removal Algorithm (TM)
asciilifeform: compiler diddler is a dime a dozen: any EXE-infector on winblows technically qualifies.
asciilifeform: as for the political component, zimmerman already fucked the public goat with the closed-source 'silent circle'
asciilifeform: why is being eaten by dingo to be avoided, compared to, say, wolf ?
asciilifeform: translation: experts want to buy cheap coin, time for chumps to sell
asciilifeform: 'tiger' tank is even more complex.
asciilifeform: gasenwagen - russian corruption of 'gaswagen' - in actuality, merely a truck powered by coal gas (wood stove bolted on the back, pumps out CO, which you can just barely run an engine on.)
asciilifeform: like the proverbial kid who sneaks into the school computer to change grades
asciilifeform: far more likely is the traditional hypothesis (bait), or a simple laundry.
asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts, the receiver for these broadcasts doesn't implement a full node
asciilifeform: 'don't show these. this is a chumpnet artist'
asciilifeform: these may well be commands for a chumpnet.
asciilifeform: man with at least the brain of a slug would attempt to clean the booty somehow
asciilifeform: i always thought it was a practical measure, to let people skimp on assaying
asciilifeform: fungibility in this case is an ideal, not the actual reality on the ground (atoms of Au are fungible, btc aren't - at least, as presently implemented)
asciilifeform: btc is heavy on the concrete and steel; 'curecoin' (for example) is mostly tape.
asciilifeform: crackpot hypothesis: every new cryptocoin can be seem as an attempt to 'replay' the history of money
asciilifeform: (coin with 'useless' workfunction, difficulty rampup, all the things we know and love)
asciilifeform: that'd be an example of the 'promises'
asciilifeform: or it were somehow impossible to obtain cheaply
asciilifeform: did someone simply uncomment the scripting module in classic bitcoin?
asciilifeform: (how to pwn an apartment complex full of cable modems simultaneously - exercise for alert reader!)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: problem with ancient laptops is the almost total impossibility of finding a working battery.
asciilifeform: considering the inclination of usg to run things at a loss (so long as said loss can be pawned off on some chump),
asciilifeform: i think mp once mused about body parts as currency
asciilifeform: conspicuously missing from the catalogue - lamp shades...
asciilifeform: good example from (relatively) recent times
asciilifeform: and how this was imposed from above by bureaucrats.
asciilifeform: almost anything that goes with a laser cutter (ventilation hardware, compressors, pumps)
asciilifeform: for details regarding how, ask mircea, i believe he has a simple mechanism in mind.
asciilifeform: actually the costliest component on that board, not counting the board itself (as published in mircea's statement)
asciilifeform: as someone who was actually paid to (attempt) protein folding, it is especially funny to me.
asciilifeform: and get pissed when confronted with counter-example
asciilifeform: (it is said that very interesting punishments were invented for the latter, by survivors of such attempts)
asciilifeform: ;;market this is bogus because it disregards stampede effect.
asciilifeform: idiots couldn't even be bothered to implement 'port knocking.'
asciilifeform: (legend re: american company buying the first japanese transistors; in the u.s. at the time it was customary to request '5% defectives' or whatnot; factory didn't test.'
asciilifeform: they all flood if the pumps aren't working
asciilifeform: if you could build with 'aerogel' insulation, you could heat the house with just your body + computer.
asciilifeform: it doesn't get any simpler than a stirling engine.
asciilifeform: you could run a computer on anything that combusts.
asciilifeform: i overheard my neighbours talking about dumping their savings into AM some time ago
asciilifeform: no phalse phlag is complete without one of these!
asciilifeform: people using winblows and btc together should also smoke at petrol pumps
asciilifeform: there are tor exits silently pumping ascii through 'sed' or the like, slipping 'friendly' btc addrs in place of originals.
asciilifeform: it is important to understand that once an enemy captures a cardano and lifts the private key, he can sign whatever he pleases.
asciilifeform: because 1) it is cost-prohibitive, and more importatly, 2) flies in the face of auditability
asciilifeform: most importantly, it is not designed to resist physical dissection.
asciilifeform: (would have to be a chump to belive this, of course)
asciilifeform: afghan, 'graveyard of empires', etc
asciilifeform: orlov is a reluctant, dour sort of 'statist', he sees mega-empires as inevitable, but likewise their collapse.
asciilifeform: orlov's painfully-repeated point is that systems with infinite growth assumptions baked in are worse than straight theft
asciilifeform: vomits over the now-empty canvas
asciilifeform: possibly mongolia (or some other entirely un-drilled place) is the real champ.
asciilifeform: or witness 'Crypto AG' - swiss company; founded by best friend of the founder of... nsa. owned by: no one knows, probably usg.
asciilifeform: the chumps, one inescapably concludes, demand to be pwned.
asciilifeform: asynchronous circuit (people have actually built classical CPUs with these, 1/3 or so the power consumption of ordinary ones)
asciilifeform: there's worked arithmetic examples in there
asciilifeform: more complicated than that
asciilifeform: one dispenses with 'n-complement', adders are simpler, and many other things.
asciilifeform: nope. balanced ternary not only packs denser (ideal base is 'e' from that standpoint) but gives considerably simpler circuits.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: much easier would be a crown-imposed altcoin
asciilifeform: there was the honeypot one that shat out its complete customer list
asciilifeform: implication is that he failed to 'hold his liquor'
asciilifeform: not unlike, if i'm not mistaken, what is happening with mpex.
asciilifeform: 'ponzi retirement' had ample precedent: 'Tontine.'
asciilifeform: i might be the 'submarine' champ here. 32 sq. m.
asciilifeform: dead component in question is the motor driver board
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu '2013-12-19 09:12:30: CAM Review Complete; Order In Production'
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu '2013-12-19 09:12:30: CAM Review Complete; Order In Production'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this attack is simply a variant of the traditional 'Differential Power Analysis'
asciilifeform: basic idea is to 'compress' time and space simultaneously
asciilifeform: anyone who wants to show off can do this already simply by using the weapon 'in anger' the usual way.
asciilifeform: 'Just plug in the USB Key and let your computer log in to windows automatically!'
asciilifeform: re: urbit: anyone curious about my answer to the quandary 'so, how the hell /should/ we build a computer' is invited to read:
asciilifeform: that was simply an answer to the question 'if it catches on, won't someone slip appropriate silicon under it.'
asciilifeform: the other way to avoid 'imperium in imperio' in a wot is: a tyrant.
asciilifeform: since this is important, i'll repeat it: you can have a cryptowidget that nukes itself when disassembled, circuits potted in unobtainium, etc. or you can have one whose function you can personally verify. can't have both. 'fried ice.'
asciilifeform: 4) process into gpg-compatible key.
asciilifeform: cardano key extraction is not physically impossible (that'd be a lie) - just non-trivial.
asciilifeform: the barometer example is just one of a poorly-specified problem
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the real shocker was that the 'back hump' did not cough up a model of the problem. even a wrong one.
asciilifeform: and these sample people think that training circus animals is cruel.
asciilifeform: 'the camel has two humps.'
asciilifeform: i still suspect that there is a large - but finite - supply of chumpatron fuel. at least of any particular variety.
asciilifeform: say beijing builds an optical computer out of unobtainium
asciilifeform: got old mr. schwartz complete on 4 floppies.
asciilifeform: mp is the marketing sorcerer, send all related questions/ideas his way.
asciilifeform: why so impatient.
asciilifeform: might be sold separately at some point; ask mp if you're impatient.
asciilifeform: i did it with pencil, but wrote a compiler of the language to test: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=103
asciilifeform: as far as i'm concerned, they blew it when they went with 'userspace process on top of unix' when designing 'ab initio computer'.
asciilifeform: or, if you deliver prior to payment, simply abscond.
asciilifeform: as if imperial rome hadn't debased coins
asciilifeform: (i see no pads for ROMs, jumpers, or other protection mechanisms in that photo.)
asciilifeform: looks like there are exactly three active components in there
asciilifeform: 'never sends private keys to the computer'
asciilifeform: or simply build separate stations where jumping is officially permitted. hose them down daily.
asciilifeform: why no one simply puts fire alarm-style switches on the track bed wall, is beyond me.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: holograms? i thought most 'paper wallets' are simply strips of paper crammed into 'arse safes'
asciilifeform: many consumer widgets do indeed come with silicon that computes sha hash
asciilifeform: 'This week a cluster of VPS that i have been using... ...has been compromised.'
asciilifeform: when the mechanisms used to keep the tens of 1000s of empty foreclosed boxes empty collapse.
asciilifeform: know what'll put a real damper on 'housing bubble' ?
asciilifeform: well yeah, 'TPTB know something we don't' implication
asciilifeform: (and will start emptying coldwallets 'any day now' naturally)
asciilifeform: mp can drop hints if he feels like it.
asciilifeform: they use those for 'through-hole' components.
asciilifeform: phun phact: finally got in the mail: set of vacuum lifter tips. made of high-temp rubber by: Buna! (only ever heard that name in the context of Auschwitz III. had no idea the brand still existed!)
asciilifeform: "an officer without a sword is improperly dressed"
asciilifeform: not that armour is worthless - simply that reality is a complicated place.
asciilifeform: he had a computer model which explained why certain - helmeted - men ended up with brain damage, while grunts in the same vehicle, sans helmet, didn't.
asciilifeform: or simple good aim (hit same spot twice.0
asciilifeform: 1kJ applied to a head with impenetrable armor -> neck trauma
asciilifeform: let's say 1kJ on impact, for the sake of argument.
asciilifeform: take simple example. ordinary ak round, ~2kJ (muzzle)
asciilifeform: not that such a thing is impossible: medieval Korea had: leather cannon!
asciilifeform: speaking of bizarre: from the text of a spam sample: 'purchase extreme intestinal activity station'.
asciilifeform: a 'strong human' in this context is simply one who knows how to use his machine correctly.
asciilifeform: someone could probably squeeze out a meager living from cracking these chumpatrons.
asciilifeform: basic 'chumpatron.'
asciilifeform: and why only augmentations. let the chumps buy ratpoison for a selected enemy rat.
asciilifeform: impeller pumps designed for aquarium, yes.
asciilifeform: what you're probably thinking of (or what you will think of, if you think long enough) is: secure terminal. complete with keyboard and display.
asciilifeform: perhaps this wasn't mp's motivation in making the choice, but it is a fact nonetheless
asciilifeform: you'll be thankful for the absent css, when you're driving your mpex via telex, from submarine.
asciilifeform: refer to the (admittedly slightly obsolete) spec on mp's site.
asciilifeform: usable, but empty.
asciilifeform: 2023: 'RCMP head Paul Bobson supports organ collection on arrest - Politics - CBC News.'
asciilifeform: buy a simple micro board, make a light blink.
asciilifeform: there is really very little more fun you could have as a programmer, than on a machine that you can completely understand.
asciilifeform: and cancerous complexity in general.
asciilifeform: or simply if you'd prefer a cryptocoin that doesn't degenerate into semiconductor plants as central banks
asciilifeform: self-emptying coldwallets, should they appear, would almost certainly be explained by compromised electronics (airgap that isn't) rather than QM sorcery.
asciilifeform: not to mention that you can craft periodic signals that the canceller will actually amplify.
asciilifeform: why do you suppose the 'legit' exchanges want your government id? precisely to simplify confiscation.
asciilifeform: simple test of your security arrangements. if your PC were to fall into enemy hands, would he know how much BTC you have? (or where.)
asciilifeform: suddenly 'p' (or 'q') is composite.
asciilifeform: man jumps in front of moving bus. considers legal action against bus.
asciilifeform: the fellows who stuffed their gloves with detcord and blew, well, you don't need hands to tramp the dirt
asciilifeform: well in 'democracy' a polizei will bite you on the arse if you employ the unskilled fellow for the wage he's worth.
asciilifeform: flight plan, from the moment of limpeting, should be 'vertical.'
asciilifeform: dub: the hypothetical was: a toystore chopper limpets on to the larger one. what ought to be in the former.
asciilifeform: Vexual: that's nearly an adult chopper, not comparable to the miniatures at all.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same thing that will happen if kermit the frog clamps his teeth around the hand inside his arse and drags it out.
asciilifeform: countdown to when they start fitting employees with Columbian collars...?
asciilifeform: Au would be the champ though
asciilifeform: afaik, his attempt (recently concluded) was to preach to the livestock
asciilifeform: lampshades are conspicuously missing from the catalogue.
asciilifeform: it has to be made of discrete components, that one can reach with a commonplace probe.
asciilifeform: 'nanotech' is a mostly empty 'marketing word.'
asciilifeform: here's an even better idea: vote on chess moves! who needs champions when you've got reddit. no need for the voters to know how to play! 'wisdom of crowds!'
asciilifeform: the people who made off with what remained of the ussr are quite happy campers in london, paris, etc. last i checked.
asciilifeform: i think he was referring to 'QUANTUM' rather than feynman's 'quantum computer.'
asciilifeform: incidentally 'they broke rsa ages ago' makes for a good crackpot theory regarding the wasteful incompetence of, well, everything else. smoke screen.
asciilifeform: jurov: unlike, say, the 'IBM 4764' mysterymeatbag, physical tamper resistance is explicitly not a goal.
asciilifeform: the same people who routinely step into an empty elevator shaft during real quakes.
asciilifeform: fourth piggy lives in a bunker with EMP shield.
asciilifeform: 4. (crackpot) could be wangled into carrying out useful computation (e.g. cryptoanalysis)
asciilifeform: download a fresh copy, right. patched on the fly. ken thompson.
asciilifeform: once the chump is rooted, you can do a million different things.
asciilifeform: over here we have weapons-grade chumpatron fuel.
asciilifeform: mebbe just dumpers doing a splendid job.
asciilifeform: 'лох' - chump, mark, patsy, fool
asciilifeform: (using a Chumpatron reactor.)
asciilifeform: (yield - pumping cost) has to be positive.
asciilifeform: given that: it isn't simply a mass of wire, but step-down stations as well.
asciilifeform: there are even special phone companies for people judged unfit for credit
asciilifeform: people notice the jumps.
asciilifeform: see, when you boil frogs, trick is to use a nice temperature-controlled hob, and not a chinese unit with 'low/high/incinerate' settings on the dial.
asciilifeform: funny thing is, with basic rom-diddling equipment being a dime a dozen now, classic consoles are a great place to learn to program a 'real computer'
asciilifeform: the interesting bit can be reduced to one sentence: "u.s. officials suddenly care about TEMPEST shielding."
asciilifeform: (where people load up cards and sell the complete stripe data on a 'silk road' of sorts)
asciilifeform: specifically: 1) impose ham-handed censorship 2) herd lusers into 'l33t h4ck3r privacy' honeypots 3) '???, profit.'
asciilifeform: ultrasonic is the gold standard test if you don't want to drill/melt the sample.
asciilifeform: we had candidate compounds (pharma dev) dissolved in, guess what.
asciilifeform: normally when you get millions of idiots happily jumping, rather than the odd one or two, somebody's built a convenient ramp.
asciilifeform: carried on a correspondence of sort with mp since writing a piece on his creation (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108)
asciilifeform: i must remind you, i am not an expert on the mechanics of mpex/mpoe. by all means, ask the author.
asciilifeform: you should probably ask mp to be sure.
asciilifeform: benkay: read the listing (written by mp, not me); there is a promise not to dilute
asciilifeform: pankkake: no idea. ask mp when he wakes up.
asciilifeform: ('available from the Colt Health-Life Insurance and Retirement Savings Company!')
asciilifeform: fiddybucks buys you a 'raspberry' or whatever the pocket computer of the day
asciilifeform: the reason why modern attempts at this are laughable is the state of the credentialling system.
asciilifeform: will be interesting to see 'company towns' where you can get food, housing, etc. for btc.
asciilifeform: i predict: the 'obamacare' software fukkupy will turn into a full-blown 'de-automation' campaign. 'create jobs!' you heard it here phirst.
asciilifeform: the cookie jar is far too full for somebody not to try an interesting an unorthodox approach to empty it.
asciilifeform: opc0d3: there are no people here. just a script, running on a PDP-8 drywalled into a closet, door painted over, at NSA campus.
asciilifeform: mod6: once you understand how much of what you presently know will be irrelevant (actually, harmful) after a serious rethinking of computing, you'll shit yourself.
asciilifeform: but never as a foundation for anything claiming to be a 'redesign of computing'
asciilifeform: there is such a thing as an 'impedance mismatch.'
asciilifeform: the idea of implementing something on urbit would be more interesting if the thing actually worked.
asciilifeform: simplest way i can think of is rsa with >2 private primes (lamport, or see MP's writeup)
asciilifeform: mod6: trying to implement provable-share secret-splitting?
asciilifeform: MP, that you?
asciilifeform: point is, some things you don't prevent, you just live with them - and try to set up a world where they aren't especially tempting.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my problem is less with the (truly) extraordinary claims, but the complete lack of any sign of a desire to share the extraordinary evidence.
asciilifeform: btw, some joker wrote a paper (maybe competing for the igNobel?) replicating this on cow carcasses
asciilifeform: VanCleef: say you're trying to catch a bus, and run late. you run after it, and jump, don't quite make it, fall into traffic. the end. buses are a scam?
asciilifeform: lurker: L. Lamport. "The Byzantine Generals Problem."
asciilifeform: there's an undeniable sportsmanship appeal to programming a computer that might kill you, however.
asciilifeform: the newer ones have compartmentalized air supplies for individual lots - a bit like dirigible ballonettes.
asciilifeform: (little buggers all catch something at once. esp. if they're immunocompromised for whatever reason.)
asciilifeform: it's also a game of 'e. coli simply can't be persuaded to piss out X.' or 'croaks trying.'
asciilifeform: computer says '0' or '1'
asciilifeform: that's not even counting non-audio signals that the amp picks up (mains hum, for one)
asciilifeform: for the impatient: it wasn't about crypto per se, but still mandatory.
asciilifeform: so, not poodles? maybe occasionally ill-tempered ones, but where's the bite.
asciilifeform: everybody loves nphard, but the rest of the complexityzoo needs love too
asciilifeform: laughing? it would instantly let you convert, say, btc, into arbitrary parallel computations
asciilifeform: here's an idea: generalize the altcoin concept and bake a turing-complete workfunction spec right into the protocol.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: suggest this to MP, that's his department.
asciilifeform: a good HRNG is, probably unavoidably, one of two kinds: that you built yourself, or is simple enough to examine with basic bench instruments to see that it has 'nothing up the sleeve.'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the TI-8x series had serial inputs (3.5mm jack), perhaps you can improvise something.
asciilifeform: the point isn't to build an effective horseless carriage, but to extract money from chumps (including bureaucrats.)
asciilifeform: the aircar pushers aren't idiots, they simply aren't solving the problem you think they're solving.
asciilifeform: speaking of Azerbaijan, has anyone here done the TOR exercise suggested in MP's comments?
asciilifeform: Vexual: if you were to introduce key importation, the zapper would have to come with cyanide.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was certainly my impression from the link.
asciilifeform: knocking the competing miner offline helps all of the survivors, not just you, though
asciilifeform: (impromptu hack of a translation from russian, originally of a persian rhyme, that i read as a kid.)
asciilifeform: let's say they burn DPR's computer on a pyre in the public square. This would in principle accomplish the same thing.
asciilifeform: "(U) 5. Oppressed Alice, who lives in a repressive country (no or limited free speech) and wants to talk about things contrary to her governments positions. The countries he used as examples were France, Germany (prohibitions on fascist writings?) and the US (not sure what he meant here?)."
asciilifeform: to be fair, there is a long tradition here in the usa of first arming some fellows and then sending armies to bump them off
asciilifeform: and this is completely aside from the 'toilet in the kitchen' problems you get.
asciilifeform: pankkake: js-anything as a security component damns your soul.
asciilifeform: inevitably some moron succumbs to the temptation of buying false papers, he buys from a stoolie; and game over.
asciilifeform: for example, it now is (or soon will be, depending on what document you believe) to sell a car in the u.s. without a remote-disable radio.
asciilifeform: I do wonder why anybody bothered with the 'lettre du cachet', the wiki crap was the equivalent of a winamp playlist
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you're probably right that this is a crackpot hypothesis, it presumes competence where, as far as we know, none is left
asciilifeform: makes you wonder what a sober man might've accomplished.
asciilifeform: wtf is the point of ddosing mpex?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm just a bit befuddled at the success of the btc chumpatrons
asciilifeform: well, these folks want trust without the reputation of an affair like mpex. so, cryptocontracts (shitcoin, or something more state-of-the-art)
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