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KRS|gotyawallet: i must be too refined..
KRS|gotyawallet: I'd rather go eat some thing from McDonalds which is probably very bad for me, than eat something like this.
Vexual: ever been hungry?
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agRzpnS_FGw
ozbot: The Doom Generation (1995) Trailer - YouTube
KRS|gotyawallet: not hungry enough to go catch something like this and eat it..now boar..I'll hunt and eat the hell out of wild boar..about 20 miles from where i live, my 4x4 .45 sidepiece and 12 gauge shotgun, its on...knife, winch and hunting dogs ready to go.
KRS|gotyawallet: Pig/boar is DELICIOUS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00335089 = 0.1541 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: i'm digging into some sourdough, kielbasa, and cheddar right now
KRS|gotyawallet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg
ozbot: A Country Boy Can Survive - YouTube
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z49Pn07Hg9M
ozbot: 04 In The Bush With Malcolm Douglas S01E05 - YouTube
KRS|gotyawallet: most of Australia is undeveloped right
KRS|gotyawallet: the Aboriginal Australians are funny to me
KRS|gotyawallet: now they are eating giant lizards..i bet it tastes like chicken
Vexual: its the end of the earth
KRS|gotyawallet: yeah, nothing but water from there eh
KRS|gotyawallet: or do you mean the earth is going to end?
Vexual: and the begginning
Vexual: no i mean its the land that time forgot
KRS|gotyawallet: right
KRS|gotyawallet: thats how i see it
KRS|gotyawallet: unspoiled
KRS|gotyawallet: any moar trilema/dtng?
KRS|gotyawallet: need pix
KRS|gotyawallet: one thing i have found is that there are A LOT of local rap artists with A LOT of talent and good songs
Vexual: talent everewheres
KRS|gotyawallet: i love that about the internetz..otherwise wouldnt have been noticed.
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--vxPnqJdgo
ozbot: Black Grape - Words - YouTube
mike_c: hm, interesting. a week ago the btc/usd 7 day volatility was the highest its been since August 2011
mike_c: i know, that is interesting!
mike_c: thanks, i thought so too.
nubbins`: http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/
ozbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD
mike_c: somebody caught on to the trick. dump a bunch of money in early and kill the late guys. a good move.
mike_c: oh wait, "somebody" :) http://bitbet.us/stats/1K4FswVNus5xJZJ6TYqAzWSy3tXBBFdGnM/
chsados: mike_c: what is he doing exactly?
mike_c: you get a bunch of money in early, at a high weight.
mike_c: when more money comes in late, at a low weight, you make money.
chsados: it seems like he is betting heavy on both sides though - how does that become profitable
mike_c: if a lot of money comes in both sides it works out. if it goes heavily slanted one way the whole time, not so much.
mike_c: or if there just isn't any action, then you'll lose out on the fees.
mike_c: so it's basically a wager on "this bet will be popular"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00330777 = 0.3308 BTC [-] {6}
pankkake: "Through fixing this outstanding issue with BitFunder/WeExchange it will be a good thing for Neo & Bee and the Bitcoin community as a whole." :|
jurov`: yes, lesson for everyone
davout: hi
kakobrekla: heya
jurov`: ohai
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00330005 = 0.165 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.34999465 = 10.4998 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.35 = 1.75 BTC [+] {3}
jurov`: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00078278 / 0.00078644 / 0.00079404 (33174 shares, 26.09 BTC), 7D: 0.00078278 / 0.00079894 / 0.0008476 (1274477 shares, 1,018.24 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00081822 / 0.00088996 (5987510 shares, 4,899.14 BTC)
jurov`: !t m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0005 / 0.0007278 / 0.00075 (35000 shares, 25.47 BTC), 30D: 0.00045 / 0.00066899 / 0.00075 (45235 shares, 30.26 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.00341325 = 0.3106 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.34000051 = 4.42 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: lol i'm reading a local article about city gov not paying its "futures" to the electric co
ThickAsThieves: all the "fancy words" are in quotes like that
pankkake: it's words from the evil faceless finance word
pankkake: world
ThickAsThieves: they even have "impact fees" in quotes, something this rag discusses often
dexX7: mixing visualized: http://thinkdifferent.ly/stuff/sheep-bitcoin/ + http://www.newstatesman.com/future-proof/2013/12/theres-%C2%A360m-bitcoin-heist-going-down-right-now-and-you-can-watch-real-time
truffles: http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/archive/segment/kalief-browder-prison-guards-starved-me/529d1ac2fe34441ee5000416 TAT when looking like some1 else goes extremely bad
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.35099697 = 1.404 BTC [+]
pankkake: was looking like someone "being black"?
pankkake: fuck, 16 year old
pankkake: nice childhood
ThickAsThieves: they arrested him for looking like Urkel
truffles: yea trying to watch the video
truffles: firefox will not allow!
ThickAsThieves: http://online.barrons.com/article/SB50001424053111903302604579234163250372446.html
ozbot: PayPal Could Embrace Bitcoin - Barrons.com
ThickAsThieves: nvm this is just some analyst
ThickAsThieves: thought it was actual news
ThickAsThieves: tldr 'I bought bitcoins, here's some PayPal hype"
mircea_popescu: somewhat related,
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-art-of-making-friends-and-influencing-people-versus-stockholm-syndrome/
ozbot: The art of making friends and influencing people versus Stockholm Syndrome pe Trilema - Un blog de M
Diablo-D3: you klnow
Diablo-D3: its kinda funny
Diablo-D3: Im richer than MP
truffles: orly
Diablo-D3: he says he has thousands and thousands and thousands of bitcoins
Diablo-D3: I dont actually believe him
Diablo-D3: so going on what he makes on mpex, which is very little because no one uses it
truffles: u want to prove ur wallet is bigger than his wallet lol
Diablo-D3: I am, in fact, richer than mp
truffles: i wouldnt know about the traffic
Diablo-D3: truffles: bitcoin wallet only?
truffles: oh i c
Diablo-D3: because he probably has more bitcoins than me atm
Diablo-D3: I cashed out quite a few into dollars
truffles: why do u have to prove u have more?
Diablo-D3: I dont
Diablo-D3: Im just tired of hearing him talk
truffles: oh
Diablo-D3: Seriously, nobody cares how many slave women he has
truffles: he is kinda polorizing maybe
Diablo-D3: (hint: he actually has zero, he says he has like three)
Diablo-D3: what the fuck would you even NEED 3 slave women for
Diablo-D3: the man only has one penis
mircea_popescu: jesus who the fuck do i still have on ignore
truffles: u sure, Rominia looks kinda poor
mircea_popescu: i thought i cleared it
truffles: Diablo-D3
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: me, you jackass
mircea_popescu: oh
mircea_popescu: maybe next year.
Diablo-D3: lol.
truffles: haha
Diablo-D3: truffles: and this is why no one likes mircea_popescu
truffles: rly, seems like he has bunch of fans in here
Diablo-D3: I wouldnt call them fans
Diablo-D3: more like people who tolerate him and also want slave women
TomServo: Hearing about his slaves is a LOT more interesting that your paleo diet. Just sayin'.
truffles: well the fact that they have to be slaves is kinda not cool imo
pankkake: I like both paleo and slave women. which side do I chose?
Diablo-D3: pankkake: mmm bbqed slaves
truffles: unless he's just saying theyre slaves..
Diablo-D3: truffles: they're not actually slaves
Diablo-D3: they're slaves in the bdsm sense
truffles: ohh
Diablo-D3: seriously?
Diablo-D3: you didnt get that?
pankkake: lol
truffles: i think of human trafficing when its mentioned *blush*
Diablo-D3: dear God, no
Diablo-D3: he just has (well, says he has) a collection of women that like to be used and abused
truffles: well then thats what theyre into..
mircea_popescu: truffles whoi has to be a slave ?
Diablo-D3: whips, being tied up, getting brutally fucked, being kept in a cage when not in use, that sort of thing
truffles: mp u bdsm women
truffles: ur*
ThickAsThieves: mp you could solve your ignore problem by adding truffles too
truffles: kinda dont have sympathy for ppl who chose it though
ThickAsThieves: since he's the only one taking D3 seriously
truffles: its what they want
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: wtf man
mircea_popescu: this is true... but i got the spirit of xmas earlier
ThickAsThieves: lol
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: so what, you actually think he actually bought slave women?
truffles: TAT ure so mean
ThickAsThieves: D3 it is absolutely inconsequential to me what MP does for his personal life
Diablo-D3: I mean, if he actually HAS bought slaves, I know a guy at interpol
ThickAsThieves: i'm feeling grinchy...
truffles: TAT what is your problem with me and Diablo-D3
mircea_popescu: anyway, nobody has to be a slave. it's a voluntary arrangement, and it has its advantages. chief among which that you're about 10x as quick to learn as a slave.
ThickAsThieves: I think that was the first "mean" accusation for me, have I really made it?
Diablo-D3: he doesnt like fine chocolates or evil incarnate
truffles: TAT snarky > mean
mircea_popescu: pls spell it "snarky", like "futures"
ThickAsThieves: i remember being in grade school having to write little page about Christmas,
ThickAsThieves: I put Santa Claus in quotes like that
truffles: Diablo-D3 what have u done to make u evil?
ThickAsThieves: and the teacher marked it up, and said it might imply that i dont think Santa is real
ThickAsThieves: well...
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: wow
Diablo-D3: you could have been rich
Diablo-D3: you could have sued the school for forcing religious doctrine on you
ThickAsThieves: ...
ThickAsThieves: i was also going to Catechism at that age
pankkake: which religion is santa?
pankkake: capitalism?
ThickAsThieves: so kinda stupid to make religion accusations
ThickAsThieves: CocaColaism
truffles: so ure atheist as an adult
jurov`: I don't believe in Santa Claus. We had Ded Moroz from Siberia instead.
ThickAsThieves: atheism is too narrow a term
truffles: agnostic?
ThickAsThieves: the wonders of the universe remain unexplained
Diablo-D3: I believe God is a scientist.
Diablo-D3: Im that kind of guy
truffles: after some years the science changes..
pankkake: I believe I am God, you're just part of my imagination
ThickAsThieves: "the more I study science, the more I believe in God"
ThickAsThieves: who said that
truffles: i only know teh "I think, therefore I am."
ThickAsThieves: Einstein
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: Einstein was a very smart man, hes very underappreciated
truffles: overappreciated imo
ThickAsThieves: probly one of my "if you could have lunch with anyone" targets
truffles: did he steal some of his discoveries?...
truffles: id pick Tesla
ThickAsThieves: "Good artists borrow, great artists steal"
ThickAsThieves: who said that
asciilifeform: herr jobs
ThickAsThieves: Picasso, baby
truffles: oh thought it was Neal Caffrey
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: "Neoteny is not necessarily limited to physical features however. Currently, a large minority with perhaps a view of soon becoming majority of English speaking adults exhibit psychological neoteny, the sad state wherein their body has long reached maturity while their mind is still continuing adolescence"
ThickAsThieves: i assumed this to be majority prevelent for quite some time
ThickAsThieves: like Amy sorta
ThickAsThieves: people just frozen in grade/high school
ThickAsThieves: mentally
Diablo-D3: yeah
Diablo-D3: but thats because high school is broken
Diablo-D3: its psychological damage inflicted by the state to make good workers
Diablo-D3: problem is, we dont need workers
Diablo-D3: we need free thinkers
Diablo-D3: as many as possible
ThickAsThieves: oh god no
ThickAsThieves: have you seen all the free thinkers on reddit?
pankkake: aren't they all in school?
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: I said free thinkers, not faggots with too much karma
ThickAsThieves: 35 and in school, probly
Diablo-D3: reddit is pure faggotry, I dont know how people stand it
truffles: u hate gays too
truffles: dam
Diablo-D3: truffles: I neither hate nor like gays
Diablo-D3: I find their taste in men to be strange.
truffles: Diablo-D3 then id like to know what u consider normal
Diablo-D3: truffles: boobs and a vagina.
Diablo-D3: truffles: btw, you were supposed to say "whats wrong with their taste in men"
truffles: whats wrong with it
Diablo-D3: they have one
truffles: i try not to judge
truffles: the former christian in me :)
Diablo-D3: truffles: if you want to participate in the comedy, you need to learn when someone is trying to setup a joke
Diablo-D3: heh, the christian in me is fine with people being gay
ThickAsThieves: question, why does nethash measurement vary so greatly among measurers?
Diablo-D3: as long as they treat their partner with a respect and be part of the community and, well, not have AIDS
Diablo-D3: Im totally okay with it
pankkake: reddit common beliefs: 1) we are a nice community 2) academia teaches you everything you need 3) fedoras are cool
Diablo-D3: just please, no bearded men kissing
pankkake: what measurers?
Diablo-D3: just dont do it
Diablo-D3: pankkake: 3 is true, btw
Diablo-D3: fedoras arent cool
ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/ http://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty http://bitcoindifficulty.com/ and gribble
ozbot: Bitcoin Charts / Bitcoin Network
Diablo-D3: fezzes are.
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 6400549.04237
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves look at the age breakdown : http://www.censusscope.org/us/chart_age_graph_1.gif
mircea_popescu: if you exclude under 15 say, it's quite hard for the thin sliver at the bottom to outnumber the fat peak
pankkake: bitcoinwisdow says "last 504 blocks", don't know for others
ThickAsThieves: why dont they all at least note an estimate based on blocks solved since last diff?
pankkake: well that's not really *current* nethash then
mircea_popescu: pankkake fedoras are kinda cool tho
ThickAsThieves: well certainly relevant no?
ThickAsThieves: yes i also like more recent estimating
ThickAsThieves: but yknow
ThickAsThieves: http://blockexplorer.com/q/estimate
pankkake: it depends on what you want to know
ThickAsThieves: is that gribble's source?
pankkake: I think gribble uses blockchain.info, because when they're broken he's broken
pankkake: at least for tslb
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 883217070.437 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i suspect they don't include that because it's so easy to calculate on your own
mircea_popescu: a nm, it actually is included
pankkake: hats are often a tool of imposters
ThickAsThieves: so why is this one so off?
ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
ozbot: Bitcoin Charts / Bitcoin Network
mircea_popescu: that's copied off sipa's site. why is it off ?
ThickAsThieves: Difficulty707,408,283
ThickAsThieves: Next Difficulty
ThickAsThieves: in 1316 blocks
ThickAsThieves: 782,843,943
ThickAsThieves: Network Hashrate
ThickAsThieves: Terahashs/s
ThickAsThieves: 5603.82
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 272860 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 1315 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 6 hours, 21 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 883652397.234 | Estimated Percent Change: 24.91406
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 6400549.04237
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 883652397.234 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: Next Difficulty Estimate: 883652397.234 == 883652397.234 based on data since last change
mircea_popescu: and obviously nethash != difficulty.
ThickAsThieves: Gribble nethash: 6400549.04237
ThickAsThieves: btc charts nethash: 5603.82
mircea_popescu: the 5.6k was at the time of last change
mircea_popescu: so it's the avg for past 2 weeks ending 13 days ago
ThickAsThieves: it wasnt 5.6
ThickAsThieves: it was like 5
mircea_popescu: maybe it's rolling window past 2 weeks ?
ThickAsThieves: it must be an arbitray sample time
ThickAsThieves: yeah
ThickAsThieves: arbitrary*
mircea_popescu: anyway, the chances to find the actual nethash within an arbitrary precision are a function of that precision.
ThickAsThieves: either way, I'd appreciate it if miners kept it to less than 1PH added in the next 3 weeks :)
mircea_popescu: o wow shiot look at that, 25%
mircea_popescu: dude you're toast.
ThickAsThieves: i accepted that risk at the time
ThickAsThieves: havent given up hope though
ThickAsThieves: 1PH is a lot to add
mircea_popescu: well yeah it's far from cut and dried yet
ThickAsThieves: hoping this was a burst
mircea_popescu: tbh it looked unlikely.
ThickAsThieves: I guess I might have to forgo that new Buick
ThickAsThieves: hehe
dexX7: you're dumping your gpus and started to buy asics?
ThickAsThieves: me? no way
ThickAsThieves: mining sux
kakobrekla: not it blows
kakobrekla: hot air
dexX7: hehe
ThickAsThieves: there is no blowing without sucking
ThickAsThieves: other than maybe those Dyson fans
dexX7: i bought some gpus, but i somehow feel like a sucker, because now is probably the best time to resell that stuff.. maybe i'll even do likewise before it arrives. a 7950 on ebay is worth 250-300+ eur here :D
kakobrekla: O_o
mircea_popescu: 300 euros ?! wtf.
mircea_popescu: it's an old card.
kakobrekla: apparently euro is not worth anything any more
dexX7: older, yes, but hash/watt efficient
dexX7: hehe
pankkake: and they're not made anymore
mircea_popescu: but i mean... wait, they;re not being bought to be used as gamingdevices ?
mircea_popescu: people still buythem to mine ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.35074922 = 2.806 BTC [-] {3}
dexX7: yes
pankkake: right now probably, given that the R9 generation doesn't look much more costly…
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35099897 BTC [+]
pankkake: litecoin mining diff finally went up after months of ups and downs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00195 = 0.1092 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so basically if asics had never happened, bitcoin diff would be 10k
pankkake: yeah. and dead
mircea_popescu: is anyone fpga-ing litecoin yet ?
dexX7: afaik it's not very efficient
dexX7: compared to gpus
mircea_popescu: cause nobody wrote a proper chip yet ?
mircea_popescu: a, the ram issue.
dexX7: you want to have a lot of fast accessible memory
dexX7: yup
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35099897 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5053 @ 0.00080601 = 4.0728 BTC [+]
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Neither of those search requests return any results for me.
mircea_popescu: now that's odd
TomServo: I thought so too.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35099897 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: whoa. me either,.
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com epifania
gribble: http://trilema.com/2013/the-ocr-lol-of-today/ http://trilema.com/2013 ...: <http://trilema.com/wp_db_sitemap.php>
ozbot: The OCR lol of today pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: THAT however shows me the article topmost.
mircea_popescu: http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Atrilema.com+epifania&btnG=Search&hl=en&gbv=1 << and on a proxy too.
ozbot: site:trilema.com epifania - Google Search [Anonymoused]
mircea_popescu: i guess we don't quite fathom the extent to which google is manipulating results.
ThickAsThieves: i have a google killer idea i dont have the means to implement
TomServo: Huh. Evidently. First among 51 results when searching via proxy for me.
ThickAsThieves: i debated writing it all up and doing a kickstarter, but i truly wnat nothing to do with running a search co
ThickAsThieves: maybe wtite it up and slel it to Yahoo
ThickAsThieves: and hire a copy editor too
ThickAsThieves: hehe
mircea_popescu: TomServo i suppose if you're going to censor, this is actually the correct approach : block specific searches, but index the material.
mircea_popescu: this way actual researchers can still do their work, and it remains accessible to those deemed "legitimate" of the public,
mircea_popescu: not so unlike how universities worked since abour 1200
ThickAsThieves: "That feature has lead to an inflationary bubble in bitcoin-to-dollar trading, with prices fluctuating largely from one day to the next. As fewer bitcoins become available through mining, new entrants in the market may be limited, making it more difficult for the currency to increase its overall float."
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves : http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/
ThickAsThieves: "The increasing cost of relaying transactions may end up making the currency too expensive to manage outside of a small group of users. "
mircea_popescu: teh ppl be figuring it out a year later, and after the fact.
ThickAsThieves: quotes from http://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlouis/2013/12/02/bitcoin-at-crossroad/
ThickAsThieves: dammit my trilema cookie died again
mircea_popescu: must keep teh cookies fresh!
ThickAsThieves: ah ive read this article more than once
mircea_popescu: tristan louis brumhilda von forbes has not :D
ThickAsThieves: "One of them is that consumers yield and submit, Bitcoin goes to somewhere in the thousand dollars per range and there’s a rush to move society away from the dysfunctional standard. Banks start taking Bitcoin deposits, Bitcoin hedge funds pop up everywhere..."
ThickAsThieves: i hate you for being so damn right sometimes
mircea_popescu: :)
mircea_popescu: i disclaim all liability.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 107 @ 0.00206073 = 0.2205 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: still waiting for the Feds to kiss your ring tho
ThickAsThieves: “This is the environment where Bitcoin could go to $1m. There is no qualitative reason, but it is trending. If I could own Bitcoin, I would. If I own 3D printing, it is just the same thing”
ThickAsThieves: http://www.investmentweek.co.uk/investment-week/news/2310184/hendry-i-would-buy-bitcoin-if-i-could
ozbot: Hendry: I would buy Bitcoin if I could
ThickAsThieves: Hendry added equity market fundamentals do not matter at a time when policy is misaligned, emphasising instead the ‘feedback loops’ created by US quantitative easing.
ThickAsThieves: more decent words in there too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.001952 = 0.1952 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00205658 = 0.1645 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00206538 = 0.1136 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.34001002 = 1.36 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: http://www.businessinsider.com/knc-sells-8-million-in-miners-2013-11
ozbot: KnC Sells $8 Million In Miners - Business Insider
ThickAsThieves: "Lawn also claims KnC customers already create 70% of the bitcoins mined in a day. We can't verify that claim."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 176 @ 0.0020666 = 0.3637 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: http://dpaste.com/1491455/plain
kakobrekla: dafuq is dis shit
kakobrekla: also link dont work.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.00207739 = 0.2389 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: •Users will have the opportunity to list their real companies on Seventh Continent Market starting III.Q.2014.
kakobrekla: what is this glbse #5
kakobrekla: ininininception
nubbins`: morning
kakobrekla: heya
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.33713866 = 1.3486 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=7C
ThickAsThieves: IPOz!
nubbins`: i don't get it
nubbins`: is it like farmville for walmart products?
ThickAsThieves: hrm i need to decipher this
nubbins`: certainly can't do so via their "info" website :(
nubbins`: i thought there already were seven continents, anyway?
ThickAsThieves: best i can tell,
ThickAsThieves: it's Second Life
kakobrekla: lol
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: When real money for digital goods with no return loses its shine, a skill based market place where players accumulate fame and fortune stands a chance of being a real success.
nubbins`: ah, so farmville with leaderboards
ThickAsThieves: "When real money for digital goods with no return loses its shine"
ThickAsThieves: priceless
nubbins`: "when you get tired of wasting money, console yourself with your huge in-game rep and 3d friends
ThickAsThieves: would be nice to have a gameplay vid or more cogent explanation of what it is
nubbins`: yeah, brutal document
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00081374 = 5.8182 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: offering is 250000 @ .0077
ThickAsThieves: no info on what each share represents
ll: ;;calc 0.0077*250000
gribble: 1925
nubbins`: $2mn
ThickAsThieves: yep
ThickAsThieves: ;;calc 1925*1130
gribble: 2175250
ThickAsThieves: any guesses on what % of the co that represents?
ThickAsThieves: I'm gonna say 25%
ThickAsThieves: oh i found more info
ThickAsThieves: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/reportdownload.php?id=43
ThickAsThieves: heh,
ThickAsThieves: the 250k shares represent 8.25% of the co
ThickAsThieves: 23,100btc valuation
ThickAsThieves: ;;calc 23100*1130
gribble: 26103000
ThickAsThieves: fuck me
ThickAsThieves: they call it a IPFO
ThickAsThieves: no one wants to use my IPVO term :(
kakobrekla: i dunno why you all feel the need to stick extra letters inthere
kakobrekla: its silly.
ThickAsThieves: its a legal thing
mike_c: see, the extra letter will protect you from the authorities
kakobrekla: yes, V makes it all legal.
ThickAsThieves: cuz idiots may claim they thought it would be a real wall st IPO or such
kakobrekla: lulz
mike_c: they will be like, "ohhhh, it was *virtual*"
ThickAsThieves: well no
mike_c: i can't figure out what the F stands for
kakobrekla: V stands for Vendatta
ThickAsThieves: the V is for virtual currency
kakobrekla: Vendetta
kakobrekla: or whatever
ThickAsThieves: Fund
ThickAsThieves: cmon
mike_c: ah
ThickAsThieves: Havelock calls everything a Fund
mike_c: of course, it's a fund, not a company. perfect sense.
kakobrekla: initial public vendetta offering
kakobrekla: completley legal.
mike_c: havelock has strange meanings for a lot of terms
ThickAsThieves: there are real names and headshots in the PDF
ThickAsThieves: and linkedin links
kakobrekla: oh that changes everything, headshots.
mike_c: one of them has a suit and tie on. i'm sold.
kakobrekla: run if you see beard
ThickAsThieves: no beards
ThickAsThieves: but one guy has two first names AND a suit
nubbins`: michael scott?
kakobrekla: the whole thing is silly.
mike_c: the ceo spent 14 years as a lecturer. no tenure for him!
kakobrekla: more letters more coolness
kakobrekla: same as with share count.
chaang-noi: hi all
nubbins`: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2013-0-5-BTC-Brass-Casascius-Physical-Bitcoin-REDEEMED-/331076143888?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item4d15ad0b10&_uhb=1
ozbot: 2013 0 5 BTC Brass Casascius Physical Bitcoin Redeemed | eBay
nubbins`: hi goat
ThickAsThieves: so it's just a piece of imprinted brass?
nubbins`: lel
nubbins`: yes
ThickAsThieves: lel indeed
ThickAsThieves: good for you though!
nubbins`: good for the guy who was buying redeemed coins hand-over-fist on the forums a few months back
ThickAsThieves: better than if he bought real btc?
ThickAsThieves: i'm skeptical
ThickAsThieves: but possible i guess
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: i can't imagine he paid more than $10-20 per
nubbins`: and they seem to be selling on ebay for $140+, regardless of denomination
ThickAsThieves: scam ammo is what they are
ThickAsThieves: scammo
dexX7: not cool
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34999988 = 0.7 BTC [+] {2}
chaang-noi: i have like 10 of these...
nubbins`: at first i thought it was just idiots not realizing they were unfunded
chaang-noi: if i get some time ill list that stuff on ebay lol
nubbins`: but i mean, i put REDEEMED in the title
chaang-noi: redeemed is a tricky word
nubbins`: and one third of the item description is in big red letters saying "NO HOLOGRAM, NO BITCOINS"
ThickAsThieves: it's pretty explicit in the description
chaang-noi: yeah, that is hard to miss, lol
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: honestly, i think it's people that fully understand what they're buying
nubbins`: and we're just underestimating the demand for them within the general public
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 284 @ 0.00328249 = 0.9322 BTC [-] {19}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 5031 @ 0.00010127 = 0.5095 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 32 @ 0.02654311 = 0.8494 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1400 @ 0.00009617 = 0.1346 BTC [-] {4}
dexX7: well it says "physical bitcoin ... containing no bitcoin"
ThickAsThieves: bitfunder.com is replaced with text update
ThickAsThieves: Maintenance in progress. Thank you for your patience.
ThickAsThieves: The website will be back online after all changes have been completed and checked on or by Dec 4th for viewing and records.
ThickAsThieves: of course i have pending xfers i cant verify...
ThickAsThieves: (migrations)
nubbins`: dexX7: wasn't sure what else to call them, also, you'd need to be full retard to assume it contains value
nubbins`: gotta draw the line somewhere, otherwise you end up having your description read "DO NOT heat this coin with a blowtorch for a half hour and lay it on the tip of your penis" etc
dexX7: well i rather think the buy just has no clue
dexX7: "it's a bitcoin, i want it"
nubbins`: shrug, there's only so much i can do
nubbins`: i'm just trying to serve the legitimate brass token collector market
dexX7: huh?
dexX7: are you the seller?
mike_c: have you sold any yet? get any bad feedback?
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: yes, that's my auction
dexX7: you're mean
nubbins`: haven't sold any yet, i was only foolish enough to peel the holo off one
nubbins`: dexX7: i am not!
dexX7: also selling overpriced preorder items :p
nubbins`: read the description
mike_c: you'll know what they are thinking by whether they flame you on ebay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3214 @ 0.00009518 = 0.3059 BTC [-] {8}
nubbins`: a full one-third of the three-line description is in bright red
dexX7: haha no, it's fine. as you said, you are filling the demand.
nubbins`: i tried to retard-proof it as best i could
nubbins`: and i have, in fact, had a few people cancel their bids
dexX7: the only misleading line is "physical bitcoin" imo
dexX7: though people tried similar stuff earlier.. like selling "iphone box without iphone inside" and got burned
nubbins`: ah, i see what you're saying
nubbins`: not sure how better to describe it tho
nubbins`: 2013 0.5 btc brass casascius round that has a bitcoin logo on it - REDEEMED
dexX7: lol
nubbins`: know what i mean?
dexX7: yea
ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin Souvenir?
dexX7: collectors item
dexX7: instead of souvenir
ThickAsThieves: Great way to scam noobs! Buy now!
nubbins`: heh
dexX7: hmm.. casascius calls them physical bitcoins, too
nubbins`: dexX7: :)
nubbins`: even though some of them are only physical half-bitcoins!
ThickAsThieves: you can go to the ghetto and sell them as "stolen bitcoins"
ThickAsThieves: real cheap!
nubbins`: heh
dexX7: "Good condition, was only recently redeemed." ... as if the redemption date is linked to the condition :p
nubbins`: dexX7: i ran out of things to say ;(
dexX7: i think this was intentional
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: the real money would be in coating steel slugs in gold leaf and calling them "unfunded gold coins"
dexX7: what would you do if a buyer contacts you in 1-2 weeks and tells you that he had no clue?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00311741 = 0.1902 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: dexX7: i'd invite him to read the item description
nubbins`: and if he feels he's been wronged, to open a dispute claim
dexX7: woah lol http://www.ebay.ca/sch/Other-/257/i.html is full of x-coins
nubbins`: not much else i can do :)
nubbins`: oh wow, it really is, hey?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34998998 = 0.7 BTC [-]
dexX7: time for a new category like "digital coins"
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> Hendry added equity market fundamentals do not matter << he has a point, if perhaps sorely misstated.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00311122 = 0.1276 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00311 = 0.1555 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <dexX7> what would you do if a buyer contacts you in 1-2 weeks and tells you that he had no clue? <<< point him to bitbet faq ?
dexX7: haha yea
dexX7: i was thinking about you when i raised the q :D
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=9ua7hcm438d8vbnfn5b7ocdp84&topic=271711.msg3793984#msg3793984
nubbins`: http://www.vice.com/read/romania-pungeti-anti-fracking-protests-chevron
ozbot: Romanian Villagers Managed to Keep Fracking Out of Their Backyard | VICE United States
ThickAsThieves: For reference, the final Bitfunder.com shareholder list (unofficial) https://btct.co/history-bitfunder/2013-12-03-05%3A30-bitfunder-assetlist.html
ThickAsThieves: just in case anyone needs it
Diablo-D3: bintfunder is finally shut down?
mircea_popescu: tghe final unofficial list ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.115 = 0.345 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3401002 = 1.0203 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: wait. on btctco ?!
ThickAsThieves: yep
ThickAsThieves: burnsy kept tabs
Apocalyptic: "Honey, even Namecoin is "worth something" these days." // can't be believe she actually thinks Namecoin is worse than XRP
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.34006363 = 3.7407 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i only saved my own list for my own securities
ThickAsThieves: btct.co only backed up every 30min
ThickAsThieves: so it's possible the list is a lil wrong
ThickAsThieves: if someone did any share xfers in the last 30m
ThickAsThieves: and of course it's unofficial, so thats another consideration
nubbins`: y'know, the shitty thing about being a business that accepts bitcoin is that none of my suppliers accept it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11489999 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: which is the real achievement reddites should be going for
nubbins`: nod
mircea_popescu: she ?! what female are we discussing ?
ThickAsThieves: so tired of "I convinced my aunt to accept btc for her maid services!"
ThickAsThieves: support her and buy some!
nubbins`: i mean, good for me if i print things for btc; bad for me when i have to immediately cash out btc income in order to pay for inks and paper
ThickAsThieves: so try
nubbins`: your logic has no place here!
nubbins`: ;p
nubbins`: i don't know of any wholesale suppliers that accept btc
nubbins`: in any industry
mircea_popescu: but if they did accept btc ... it'd be still at the fiat equiv
nubbins`: well yeah, you're just moving it up a level
mircea_popescu: the idea is to be fiat rich and just take the losses.
thestringpuller: fiat rich is so 1800's
nubbins`: now they're immediately cashing out for fiat too, because the cotton farms don't accept btc
thestringpuller: nubbins`: you can always store profits in btc
ThickAsThieves: yes but if you get vendors accepting, you start creating a closed loop
nubbins`: too true, and in fact we do
ThickAsThieves: and that coin maybe never becomes fiat
nubbins`: tat, too true, it's a hard sell tho
thestringpuller: yea so if you store your profits in coin, and liquidate coins to pay expenses no payable directly by btc what does it really matter?
ThickAsThieves: a useful service would be one that auto bought ccoins you spent i guess
ThickAsThieves: but that feels like a band-aid
thestringpuller: ;;calc (120 - 50) / 120
gribble: 0.583333333333
pankkake: what kind of industries could be "in a bitcoin loop" the easiest?
thestringpuller: ;;calc (110 - 50) / 110
gribble: 0.545454545455
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
nubbins`: ah, not really sure
thestringpuller: $avg
mpexbot: thestringpuller: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
thestringpuller: >:(
nubbins`: the problem is that in any industry, at some point up the chain, you find a business who simply is not willing to take the risk of accepting btc
nubbins`: fine for small businesses
nubbins`: large corps have shareholders to answer to
nubbins`: if they lose their shirts because of a price fluctuation, people lose their jobs
nubbins`: few people in the corporate world are willing to risk that
ThickAsThieves: yet they hold fiat!
ThickAsThieves: :)
mircea_popescu: since we're doing irrelevant sites : http://www.bitcoinalliance.ca/
nubbins`: oh, hey, we have an alliance now?
nubbins`: brutal color scheme, looks like a video game forum
ThickAsThieves: "merchant outreach"
mircea_popescu: that's because it IS a videogame forum
mircea_popescu: bitcoin = videogame gold, online political organisation = forum
ThickAsThieves: nub ask them wherefor the Vendor Outreach
zboralski: who played EVE Online here?
mircea_popescu: zboralski http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoins-eve-corporation/
mircea_popescu: we're billionaires, you kiddin' ?
zboralski: mircea_popescu: that's cool
ThickAsThieves: hey look, an excuse to visit Canadia http://www.bitcoinalliance.ca/_in_cryptography_we_trust_canada_s_first_bitcoin_expo_coming_in_2014
ThickAsThieves: nub are you East or West?
zboralski: mircea_popescu: you should advertise on my forums.
mircea_popescu: sure.
zboralski: mircea_popescu: I'll give you resident access so you can post.
zboralski: https://www.kugutsumen.com
mircea_popescu: nubbins` tyhe best part is the dorklist oops i mean leadership
mircea_popescu: zboralski where do advertisements go ?
zboralski: just register and tell me your username... Once you have resident access you can post in the recruitment forum https://www.kugutsumen.com/forumdisplay.php?31-Recruitment-Forum
zboralski: are you familiar with Kugutsumen?
ThickAsThieves: "A technical expert with management skills, Pakosh is a serial entrepreneur with a 30-year record of identifying trends"
ThickAsThieves: "Holmes is the Business Development Manager at CaVirtex, the leading Canadian Bitcoin exchange. "
mircea_popescu: "The leadership of the Bitcoin Alliance of Canada consists of 6 board members, each being selected by an independent election committee of Bitcoin enthusiasts from across Canada."
mircea_popescu: zboralski not at all.
zboralski: I was banned from EVE Online in 2007
ThickAsThieves: how can they get consensus without asking nubbins?
zboralski: Slashdot: "Should MMOG 'Play' Be Confined?"
zboralski: Slashdot: "CCP Speaks on Allegations of Misconduct in Eve"
zboralski: Slashdot: "EVE Devs Admit To Misconduct"
mircea_popescu: so substantively, what was the controversy/misconduct/we ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they asked their resident delusionist.
mircea_popescu: there are two types of kings in the world : those who have a collection of various mages, and those who have a delusionist.
pankkake: you can get banned from a video game?
zboralski: one of the directors of Band of Brothers was a dev and was cheating by printing tech 2 BPOs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00010963 = 0.9867 BTC [+] {5}
zboralski: pankkake: in that video game... you can have some russian guy come to your house to cut the power and kill you inside the game :D http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/65475
mircea_popescu: zboralski o you're the guy that broke the bob / eve thing ?
pankkake: haha, awesome
zboralski: mircea_popescu: yes
mircea_popescu: nice.
mircea_popescu: the power cutting business did happen, and the ships in question are hardly worth 10 btc.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: as east as you can get
TomServo: Heh: Detroit eligible for bankruptcy protection: US judge
ThickAsThieves: cool, i enjoyed my last trip there, but it was a looong time ago, as a touring punk
ThickAsThieves: i intend to go back
nubbins`: montreal is where the party is
mircea_popescu: TomServo why not lol. it
mircea_popescu: s a sovereign corporation. best of both worlds.
zboralski: reading your 1BTC post, fun concept...
TomServo: Ha. I guess why not would be when the rest are pissed they don't get the chance.
zboralski: definately post it on k.com
mircea_popescu: anyway, ten ton hammer etc keep sucking eve's cock, i'm curious what will they say once eulora is out.
mircea_popescu: TomServo but it encourages the rest to simply move to mpex and give the fiat world the finger.
diametric: ohh eve players.
diametric: its been a while since I played.
zboralski: diametric: who did you play with?
mircea_popescu: zboralski so you still playing ?
diametric: TEST at it's height
diametric: was a lot of fun, I also played in Goons as well with a few accounts.
diametric: I think at my most addictive moment I had almost a dozen accounts going...
zboralski: nah, I tried at one point but it is not fun if people recognize me I get banned again.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Since when do you give anything in the US that much credit? :)
mircea_popescu: TomServo well, they do have the chance :)
zboralski: I was in Pandemic Legion... My alt was the executor.
mircea_popescu: it's mostly so years later when they're butthurt all over the interwebs i can link them to old pages and lol
diametric: zboralski: oh cool, flew a lot with PL when the HBC was formed
diametric: fun guys
zboralski: diametric: do you have an account on kugu?
diametric: nah i never posted much, was entertaining to read though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 317 @ 0.00206049 = 0.6532 BTC [+] {4}
diametric: I do miss being in fleets and having a massive blob
diametric: but I hear TEST has gone to FW after the moon redistribution or whatever.. I haven't played for over a year now.
zboralski: the last time I played I hijacked a dev account and couldn't figure out how to get out of that Jove system which didn't have any gates.
diametric: haha
nubbins`: all this is beyond me
nubbins`: i'm not bad at mario kart tho D:
diametric: mircea_popescu: i hear you also play (or played?) some eve.
zboralski: a lot of people on k.com don't play anymore.
zboralski: the discussions are fun.
diametric: the most fun I had was scamming people
KRS|gotyawallet: hehe
mircea_popescu: diametric well i run the bitcoin corp thingee. i don't play so much, mostly market stuff.
diametric: TEST space rental scams. Fountain had some really good ratting and people would pay top dollar to "rent" from me
zboralski: corp robbery with a freighter was fun too.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 193 @ 0.00206031 = 0.3976 BTC [-] {3}
diametric: mircea_popescu: I have a friend like that, I don't think he's been in space except to move between hubs and manage his orders.
mircea_popescu: i'm often in a shuttle
mircea_popescu: but w/e, i occasionally fly a mk1 ferrox, just, been kinda busy these motnhs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 173 @ 0.00206489 = 0.3572 BTC [+] {3}
diametric: mircea_popescu: so i hear
mircea_popescu: the game is notoriously boring, as far as the actual gameplay goes.
mircea_popescu: wtf, it's barely at the level of a 1990 atari game.
mircea_popescu: roughly elite, if you've played that.
diametric: its the meta games that are fun
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/have-you-played-elite-back-in-the-80s/
ozbot: Have you played Elite back in the 80s ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: they totally should bring back manual docking.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 193 @ 0.00206479 = 0.3985 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: ;;ud docking
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=docking | The act of placing the head of ones penis inside the foreskin of another's penis.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: docking
nubbins`: agreed
mircea_popescu: ew.
nubbins`: hahaha
benkay: they'd have to implement proper orbital dynamics first
mircea_popescu: no dude, attaching your ship to the spacestation.
thestringpuller: nubbins` come on dude
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: benkay it's funny that the game requires the playerbase to use a lot of math, which the developers themselves can't apply.
TomServo: No, not that one!
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if you want something that realistic you should play kerbal space program
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1371 @ 0.00207752 = 2.8483 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: elite had it!
benkay: ksp is brutal.
thestringpuller: kerbal space program has manual docking :P
diametric: thestringpuller: KSP is amazing!
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
diametric: KSP has manual everything.
thestringpuller: lol true dat
mircea_popescu: mgs ?
mircea_popescu: does it have MGS!!1
nubbins`: manual anything is great
nubbins`: fuck computers
nubbins`: seriously, have you ever taken pictures with a holga?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` good luck with your tomograph.
mircea_popescu: and no, i had a smecma.
nubbins`: ah, no, i don't get sick
nubbins`: judging by past perfmance, i'll never need one
nubbins`: ;|
thestringpuller: ;;google mgs
gribble: METAL GEAR SOLID: <http://metalgearsolid.com/>; Metal Gear Solid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid>; MGS: Stainless steel Eco-friendly Faucets for the Kitchen, Bath and ...: <http://www.mgstaps.com/>
thestringpuller: that's what mgs means to me
thestringpuller: and most people :P
mircea_popescu: mgs = manual genital stimulation.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 122 @ 0.00212179 = 0.2589 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: https://www.google.com/search?complete=0&q=smena << and this is the smena.
nubbins`: lel
nubbins`: it has mgs AND docking?!
nubbins`: s/manual/mutual
mircea_popescu: even winding is separated from shutter cocking!
nubbins`: yah, same w/ holga
nubbins`: take a triple exposure, advance a half-frame, take a double, etc
nubbins`: such fun
nubbins`: you could load 35mm and expose images over the sprocket holes
mircea_popescu: you could actually use cinematic 35mm film too,
mircea_popescu: or you could make your own
benkay: man
benkay: you guys actually like fucking around with atoms
benkay: i don't get it
benkay: the only atoms i want to fuck with are warm and concave
kakobrekla: the pussy element?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey was that chick in fifth element somalian too ?
benkay: Va
mircea_popescu: mila jovovich
kakobrekla: from the south
kakobrekla: im like fucking north to them!
mircea_popescu: haha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.0021249 = 0.1232 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: She considers herself both Russian and Montenegrin
mircea_popescu: shouldn't it be montenegrette ?
kakobrekla: :))
kakobrekla: yep
mircea_popescu: she could sing non, je ne regrete rien
mircea_popescu: pas meme etre montenegrette...
KRS|gotyawallet: that bitch from 5th element was fawking hawt
kakobrekla: baked only once though
KRS|gotyawallet: any more dting?
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet only while pubescent. luc besson got obsessed with her, cast her as joan of arc and she sucked balls.
KRS|gotyawallet: rly
KRS|gotyawallet: they all go to hell after that period i guess
KRS|gotyawallet: almost
KRS|gotyawallet: did she ever do pron
pankkake: like Natalie Portman?
mircea_popescu: nothing public.
KRS|gotyawallet: natalie portman had that submissive thing going
mircea_popescu: anyway, getting back on topic for just a moment, from what i'm seeing the internet metal bugs are actually beginning to move to crypto.
mircea_popescu: their butthurt at their idol's failure having just about healed past denial
pankkake: I've been infiltrating a private silverbug forum
Apocalyptic: pankkake, let us know how it goes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 213 @ 0.002125 = 0.4526 BTC [+]
benkay: i want there to be at least 3 btc-related jewelry providers
benkay: that way i can split a wallet across 3 items of decorate
benkay: drape each on a babe
benkay: and ball bitcoin
KRS|gotyawallet: http://www.celebjihad.com/celeb-jihad/natalie-portman-bent-over-nude
ozbot: Natalie Portman Bent Over Nude
KRS|gotyawallet: you can almost smell it
pankkake: lol no
pankkake: natalie portman doesn't do much for me - except in Léon
kleeck: Oh, when she's 12?
kleeck: That's telling.
KRS|gotyawallet: haha
KRS|gotyawallet: she was hawt during star wars
pankkake: I am pretty sure she was in the wet dreams of many boys at that time
pankkake: she was boring in star wars
pankkake: and that scene in the fields… wtf
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.002125 = 0.2656 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet that's not her, get outta here.
mircea_popescu: pankkake i dunno, that little boy look...
pankkake: I don't remember her like that
pankkake: http://superiorpics.com/movie_pictures/mp/1994_Leon_the_Professional/L_Natalie_Portman_076.jpg
pankkake: she even has a collar!
mircea_popescu: it s a choker lol
mircea_popescu: but yeah, i guess i must have confused it with some other movie
kleeck: Yeah. I'm not arroused by that image.
pankkake: yeah choker. well, still, I like chokers :)
pankkake: me neither. it's a sentimal thing
mircea_popescu: chokers are cool.
mircea_popescu: chokers, corsets, garters an' heels.
mircea_popescu: stephengandel welcome.
pankkake: garters is the only thing I don't like
pankkake: they look stupid
pankkake: ands give me an "old" feeling
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11199999 BTC [-]
benkay: stephengandel: just lurking?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.1135 = 0.227 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 272883 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 1292 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 23 hours, 36 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 868573144.388 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.78244
mircea_popescu: benkay he's probably not found the bottom bar to type in yet
mircea_popescu: give the man time :D
benkay: the internet is for user interfaces
benkay: /sarcasm
mircea_popescu: pankkake http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.celebjihad.com/celeb-jihad/images/xnatalie_portman_facial.jpg.pagespeed.ic.c--jPUhJTe.jpg
stephengandel: You are right. Got it now. Hello.
stephengandel: rereading FAQ before I ask question
mircea_popescu: stephengandel don't sweat it, the internet is for
mircea_popescu: trying shit out.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 117 @ 0.00212498 = 0.2486 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: I collect actual scientific evidence like http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6267901/Chemical-in-sperm-may-slow-ageing-process.html
mircea_popescu: actual science from telegraph.co ?
mircea_popescu: got a lot of daily mail in your treasure chest ?
stephengandel: Is the fee to open an account still 30 BTCs?
mircea_popescu: yes.
pankkake: how about MIT?! http://tech.mit.edu/V130/N5/undress.html
benkay: there are brokers, though stephengandel
mircea_popescu: pankkake this is why you keep a bottle of nice cognac or tuica or w/e on hand.
stephengandel: So, $30,000? Can you short bitcoins through a broker?
thestringpuller: .................
thestringpuller: *palm to face*
thestringpuller: lol
thestringpuller: coinbr.com
pankkake: options are available through the broker
kleeck: "But, as with many things in life, you have to just suck it up and do it, which is why I’m here to make a case for swallowing spooge."
benkay: yup. MPOE prices options on bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: stephengandel depends of what your idea of shorting bitcoins is like. but you can buy puts through a broker, yes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.002125 = 0.1275 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: jurov may let you short on margin
benkay: stephengandel: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=O.USD.P185T for example. but note that the option is on lots of .1 btc
mircea_popescu: i think namworld was doing it at some point at least.
benkay: stephengandel: to clarify thestringpuller's comment, jurov runs http://coinbr.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.0008116 = 20.29 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: $avg
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: !ticker
assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
mircea_popescu: jesus the whole system is breaking down.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1137.20838, Best ask: 1137.99994, Bid-ask spread: 0.79156, Last trade: 1137.99994, 24 hour volume: 23590.84962476, 24 hour low: 1046.99999, 24 hour high: 1185.77338, 24 hour vwap: 1115.72103
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 174 @ 0.00212899 = 0.3704 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell smickles hey, tactm changed bitcoincharts api json url cause he could. gotta use http://api.bitcoincharts.com/v1/weighted_prices.json now
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1000 @ 0.000575 = 0.575 BTC [+] {2}
TomServo: ;;bc,xau
gribble: 1 XAU = 1221.600000000000 USD = 1.05419399379 BTC
mircea_popescu: stephengandel you know, you write a lot. i thought the job of the senior editor is more along the lines of throwing out the hard work of all the junior editors.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 666 @ 0.0021362 = 1.4227 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 524 @ 0.00214775 = 1.1254 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1942 @ 0.00228754 = 4.4424 BTC [+] {4}
stephengandel: should be. Sorry just got a call from an unhappy Wall Street PR guy.
stephengandel: reading again now.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 894 @ 0.00244619 = 2.1869 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 229 @ 0.0024743 = 0.5666 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56443 @ 0.00081489 = 45.9948 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4557 @ 0.00081642 = 3.7204 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 175 @ 0.00247999 = 0.434 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:12f6abe25d7cb14f088f737e75749f27e97964533753251ca2eb4ee3
assbot: 123!
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
nubbins`: 796
assbot: 123!
nubbins`: amazing 796
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: 123!
mircea_popescu: omg leave britney alone.
nubbins`: lel
jborkl: Where is the amazing company?
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: Quote: http://dpaste.com/1491666/plain/
nubbins`: !quote 2
nubbins`: ah, oh well
mircea_popescu: bah these forum digests are indigest.
mircea_popescu: you know i think the drama engine is getting old.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe swap out the motor with one from a dump truck? Might make the drama more fun to drive.
mircea_popescu: it strikes me that maybe not many years later we will look upon the early days with nostalgia, drowned in a sea of banal crap.
mircea_popescu: and like the proverbial soviet geezers we'll go "do you remember how great it was back when it was horribly bad ?"
jborkl: I can sum it up for you 1. I can't get my blade to hash 2. I lost ma bitcoin 3. I have a amazing company (give me bitcoin)
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: jborkl pretty much.
mircea_popescu: the redditization of bitcoin drama
pankkake: 2. I lost my bitcoin PLEASE DONATE
jborkl: ^
jborkl: legal fund PLEASE DONATE
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00247999 = 0.372 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: pankkake you know, i should prolly have pr make a trhead, MPOE BONDS LOST 3K LAST MONTH~!11 plz donate.
pankkake: who's crazy enough to fund these?
mircea_popescu: pankkake i think some of the older people with actual wallets send a little just out of sheer trollery
mircea_popescu: say a bitcent or w/e
jborkl: Mechs is trying to sell his just-dice acct, the investor balance is -478 ~
kakobrekla: lolwat
Apocalyptic: sounds legit
mircea_popescu: !jd
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 8816 BTC profit, 50.8k BTC invested, 315.35 mio bets, 4.55 mio BTC wagered
jborkl: yeah, so the first 478 of profit is non commision
mircea_popescu: ah ah
mircea_popescu: so the value there is 1% of 478 btc minus whatever discount ?
mircea_popescu: this is more than the average car.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00247999 = 0.1488 BTC [-]
jborkl: 10% i think is the commision rate
mircea_popescu: o they hiked it ?
mircea_popescu: then it's definitely more than the average car.
jborkl: yeah, a few months ago
jborkl: so ~48 btc
mircea_popescu: wait. it stands at ~9k profit with 10% fees?!
mircea_popescu: o wait nm, the 10% out of the 1% huh.
jborkl: yes
jborkl: so, it would require a large investment to make it worth buying for any amount
jborkl: so, not a bad deal for that scenario
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 507 @ 0.00247999 = 1.2574 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: is it safe to login to the forums again?
kakobrekla: it was prolly never safe
mircea_popescu: well... as safe as it's ever been...
kakobrekla: first.
mircea_popescu: dammit
assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1491676/plain/)
kakobrekla: !b 6
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.03732936 = 37.3294 BTC [-]
pankkake: not safe for your brain. yet again we have a guy who thinks btc "inaccessible" and thus wants altcoins. and another guy who wants to buy a miner. both never had any bitcoin
pankkake: can we just switch to mbtc?
benkay: satoshis.
kakobrekla: a handfulls
mircea_popescu: that was fast.
benkay: the limit of the process is inevitable.
BingoBoingo: Fuck, let's switch to mSatoshis and have the media talk about how much Bitcoin crashed
mircea_popescu: pankkake looky. some people think mpex is inaccesible and so go flock on btctctetc
mircea_popescu: this isn;'t a bad thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C110T] 1850 @ 0.03662533 = 67.7569 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: not the same at all. you don't need one bitcoin
pankkake: but you need one mpex
mircea_popescu: who doesn't need a bitcoin ?
jborkl: it is funny how people still bitch about the way MPEX looks
mircea_popescu: is this going to be some sort of "all you need is love" thing ?
mike_c: is mechs trustworthy? no wot with that name.
pankkake: :/
jborkl: flying rainbow unicorn
mircea_popescu: jborkl can you imagine how the nyse would look if they'd get a call in the matter ?
mircea_popescu: obamacare v2.
jborkl: yeah, no shit
jborkl: gotta make the graphics look good, oh wat it doesnt work- amazing graphics
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
pankkake: http://culthub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/amazon-first-gateway-page.jpg
mike_c: "no reserve" != "starting bid is 4btc"
kleeck: .d
ozbot: 707408283.05150 | Next Diff in 1278 blocks | Estimated Change: 23.7106% in 6d 18h 25m 42s
mircea_popescu: mike_c they do this thing where they announce a "starting bid" but it's not the actual starting bid
mircea_popescu: i've seen this.
jborkl: Mike, it does not matter if he is trustworthy- just have dooglus hold the escrow
mircea_popescu: in this parallel universe you can have an auction with a "starting bid" of 1 and a "reserve" of 10 which means that unless it reaches 10 the item doesn't sell.
mike_c: ok, thanks
pankkake: well, that's the ebay universe
mike_c: mircea_popescu: sometimes they take the reserve off if it isn't met
pankkake: secret reserves are so annoying
mike_c: so there can be value in bidding under the reserve
mircea_popescu: mike_c should be a crime if you ask me.
mike_c: yeah, its dumb
mircea_popescu: anyway, i was once with this chick who actually lived off going to no name auctions
mircea_popescu: and buying crap she resold in her shop and online
mircea_popescu: i nearly fell over laughing, all the housewives being all business-serious and bidding a hundred on some lamp
mircea_popescu: more like a tupperware party than an auction, but anyway.
pankkake: well, she provides some convenience for buyers, it's valuable
pankkake: once I bought a full pc, I accidentaly broke the motherboard, sold off the parts, got more money :|
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: pankkake the people filling captchas by hand also provide some convenience for some buyers.
mike_c: pc arbitrage, nice.
kakobrekla: you should break more stuff
mircea_popescu: i'll beat that story : a major romanian retailer bought ~100 laptops off a competitor, which the competitor was selling discounted,
mircea_popescu: to return on their own (more permissive) return policy.
pankkake: but it's also how you sell it. if you're a trusted seller, have nice pics, description, it gets higher
mircea_popescu: this was done by the actual owner packing the laptops in his own personal car.
mircea_popescu: i think the total loot for this grand scheme was around 5k or so.
pankkake: haha. that's why retailers usually put max orders and only allow individuals
mircea_popescu: myeah. HP could simply not believe the story.
mircea_popescu: "nigga, they did what ?!"
mircea_popescu: anywya. there's definitely a living to be earned doing this sort of hussling.
mircea_popescu: a lot of busywork it is.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 160 @ 0.00248 = 0.3968 BTC [+]
benkay: true of most real-world arbitrage
dexX7: hmmm https://www.bitrated.com/
mircea_popescu: benkay depends. consider the famous case of the ltcm
stephengandel: OK. So if I am going to short one bitcoin, or a fraction of a bitcoin, it makes more sense for me to go through a broker than do it with MPeX. Is that right?
kleeck: http://www.nzweek.com/world/china/china-exclusive-china-detains-bitcoin-fraud-suspects-102598/
ozbot: China Exclusive: China detains Bitcoin fraud suspects - NZweek
mircea_popescu: o hey.
mircea_popescu: stephengandel if your budged is in the bitcoin range, and your technical sophistication low you are best served by a bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: think of mpex as the nyse, which is what it is. for most purposes you won't acquire a seat in the pit.
mike_c: *served by a broker
mircea_popescu: mike_c oops right.
stephengandel: gotcha
BingoBoingo: stephengandel: Yup. Coinbr, the broker does their opions on MPEx. As Mircea says though just holding the bitcoin may be the wiser course of action.
mircea_popescu: "A 29-year-old suspect surnamed Liu allegedly began operating GBL trading platform on May 27 of this year, according to police in Dongyang City in east China’s Zhejiang Province."
mircea_popescu: kleeck kickass.
kleeck: :)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if he expects a drop then holding the bitcoin isn't particularly wise.
kleeck: Hope to soon have a similar article involving Armandi and Tatti. :D
stephengandel: gotcha. Will give it a try and let you know how it goes.
stephengandel: Do you think bitcoins will drop?
mircea_popescu: stephengandel you can also review the mpex monthly reports to see about how option trading has fared historically. a count of sold/bought contracts by the bot is provided in each
dexX7: they were quite fast. shut down oct 26, not even 2 months later some results
mircea_popescu: stephengandel someone sold a lot of calls short yesterday, right before the drop.
benkay: stephengandel: this is a channel of people who expect bitcoin to be the world reserve currency.
mircea_popescu: it proved do be only temporary, they may end up with a loss.
mircea_popescu: it's a very volatile market.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 if the chinese also shoot them, i'll be very impressed.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course. In daytrading adventures though I was burned in february waiting for a crash or Flashcrash that never happened. Nao I hedge and bet to hedge, but largely hold things.
mircea_popescu: makes sense.
jcpham: http://fuckbitcoin.com/
ozbot: fuck.bitcoin. | Damn this magic internet money
jcpham: work in progress
BingoBoingo: What is happening nao reminds me of when we passed silver dangling just below that target. Except now there isn't an Usagi swearing it won't happen.
mircea_popescu: yay. did you make it ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.16199349 = 0.324 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/43500627.jpg
kakobrekla: dude
kakobrekla: i bought one for 5
kakobrekla: or was it 3
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i just remembered that the usagi fellow was all over the many evil people who i was payying to contradict him.
jcpham: share your story
kakobrekla: dis shit is not funny to me!
mircea_popescu: i should have the girl dig that up
jcpham: once the contact page works
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.16199349 = 0.324 BTC [+]
stephengandel: Sorry to be stupid about this: where can I see that someone sold calls? where are the monthly mpex reports? Which one of the contracts on your site should I be looking at?
jcpham: this has only been a thing for about an hour now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.1619935 = 1.134 BTC [+]
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177747.msg2409842#msg2409842 thankfully I never went further. but I remember the response "you are beginning to get a picture of how much financial damage Deprived has caused me"
ozbot: [BitFunder] TU.SILVER -- News & Reports
pankkake: so he's not blaming MP!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That was one of my first long thread reads on Bitcointalk.
mircea_popescu: stephengandel you're not being stupid by not knowing ; reports are in http://trilema.com/category/mpex/
stephengandel: thanks.
mircea_popescu: you can see someone sold calls if you look either in the log of this chan (ttp://log.bitcoin-assets.com) or else on the site.
mircea_popescu: the yellow bar on the small graph next to O.USD.C050T
stephengandel: MPOE November statement. Is that where I should be looking?
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's for november.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 13 @ 0.1619999 = 2.106 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: they go all the way to iirc february 2012
mike_c: stephengandel: 7,443 of these calls traded this month from mpex.co http://imgur.com/YnwH7PW
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Planning anything big for March 2015 when MPEx becomes more than half as old as the Bitcoin network?
mircea_popescu: why isn;t the trudy chick suing me ;/
mircea_popescu: fucking artists with their complicated shoes. impossible to get a hold of.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hadn't thought of it...
mircea_popescu: is it legal for bitcoin ventures to plan one year in advance even ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, I don't see why not? The only authority in Bitcoin is signed contracts.
mircea_popescu: i was just being sarcastic.
mircea_popescu: "I have alot of respect for you man. I may want to pick your brain
mircea_popescu: throughout my adventure. If you have any openings or any available tasks I
mircea_popescu: might be able to help you with that will help me gain some valuable
mircea_popescu: experience, please do let me know."
mircea_popescu: i need to start doing something where people can help ;/
kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZeOUI2zEbo
ozbot: The Crimson Permanent Assurance - Monty Python's "The Meaning Of Life" - YouTube
kakobrekla: worth rewatching.
mike_c: have him fix the html encoding on the trilema footnotes
mircea_popescu: they're broklen !?
mike_c: like, forever
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPN3KTtrnZM
mircea_popescu: mike_c i only do that sorta shit with womenz.
kakobrekla: mhm :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33601001 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_bsMGsBjWc << this is actually what i should be doing
ozbot: Monty Python Silly Job Interview Sketch - YouTube
kakobrekla: dat first link is mpex invading nyse
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 133 @ 0.00247 = 0.3285 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: complete with whips and everything huh
kakobrekla: hehe
kakobrekla: mhm
mircea_popescu: so here's a random thought : about a year and a half ago i bought a pair of bitcoin engraved cufflinks from a guy that did a custom cufflink run
mircea_popescu: they're nothing special, brass, kinda nice.
mircea_popescu: they cost, i find reviewing my records, 3 btc and 25 cents.
kakobrekla: yep
mircea_popescu: this brass has cost me about 2 grams of gold per gram.
mircea_popescu: by BingoBoingo's 2015 megaparty they'd better be diamond studded and made out of frozen panda tears.
kakobrekla: and i drive half a mio usd car.
mircea_popescu: well at least it has injection.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I imagine by 2022 on the 10th anniversary of MPEx the diamonds would be synthesized from the panda tears.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, wait until bentley figures out that there's these dudes who routinely pay 500k for a car and don't even expect it to fly.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I've always preferred the 500 usd cars. It's hard to feel guilty when you make them fly.
mircea_popescu: actually... we should probably count our blessings. once the rest of the world figures out there's billionaires hanging out on irc kakobrekla will be spending his days doing nothing but banning salesmen in here.
kakobrekla: double lol.
mircea_popescu: a 500 btc carpal tunnel!
pankkake: I'm sure there are automated ways to catch salesman
nubbins`: i've smoked things that would now be worth 6 grams of gold per gram
nubbins`: feels great
mircea_popescu: someone should ipo a Topless Salesman Catching Brigade.
mircea_popescu: like gaddafi's ukrainian nurses,
mircea_popescu: except for butts.
thestringpuller: are we all laughing at 7C yet?
thestringpuller: or should i come back?
nubbins`: we did briefly earlier today
mircea_popescu: come back, 1 year!
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-12-2013#403225
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
thestringpuller: lololol
pankkake: I haven't understood what 7C is yet
nubbins`: nobody has
pankkake: but I don't think I want to anymore
BingoBoingo: So 7C is basically if farmville was Euloria, but with USD revenue and Facebook?
mircea_popescu: it's like 1btc, i thought, except havelock listed it for some reason.
pankkake: havelock clearly hasn't done their job
pankkake: well, they want the monies
nubbins`: ^
ll: ;;calc 373.52591376/400000
gribble: 0.0009338147844
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34933745 = 0.6987 BTC [+]
jborkl: nubbins`: "when you get tired of wasting money, console yourself with your huge in-game rep and 3d friends < awesome
jborkl: isn't that just -otc and the forum
nubbins`: i have brief moments of lucidity
nubbins`: jborkl: it's a lot of things.
jborkl: ah only a 23,000 btc valuation
nubbins`: yeah, total lowball
nubbins`: considering buying entire company with spare change, etc
pankkake: I have this http://i.imgur.com/Wo2nK6q.png to console me but it doesn't really work
BingoBoingo: Honestly more than million dollar bitcoin, I'm waiting for the republic of Bitcoin to annex Cuba where despite taking an opposite ideological stance to Fidel's regime this island remains opposed to the USG's incompetence.
mircea_popescu: <jborkl> ah only a 23,000 btc valuation << wehat!
mircea_popescu: dude where's that delusionist cartoon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 192 @ 0.0024752 = 0.4752 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: well, if havelock is worth 50k, why not 23k for 7c?
mircea_popescu: i guess i better start saving my nail clippings.
pankkake: so, now saying "paragon of retardation" is grounds for getting a post deleted. mods=fags
jborkl: well 7c should IPO for 12,400 bitcoins in super nerd BTC
mircea_popescu: you shouldn't have said paragon.
pankkake: I expected the joke to come up. perhaps I should have proved my expectation by putting it in the blockchain
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 245 @ 0.00245 = 0.6003 BTC [-]
jcpham: http://fuckbitcoin.com/fuuuuuck/
mike_c: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.0
mike_c: you really pissed this guy off!
ozbot: Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake'
jurov`: Just got email from @fortune.com. Dude can't figure out mpoe options and asking for help :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00081614 = 1.2242 BTC [-]
benkay: that'd be stephengandel, no?
jurov`: Yes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 228 @ 0.00248 = 0.5654 BTC [+]
jurov`: Seems completely lost, not sure where i should begin.
mike_c: he was looking to short btc. just tell him to buy an atm put.
jurov`: Mhm ok.
mircea_popescu: lol self mod
mircea_popescu: pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3811647#msg3811647 the girl sends her regards.
mircea_popescu: jurov` yeah i dunno what's going on there, but don't end up railroading some noob into buying complex financial instruments he doesn't understand.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 722 @ 0.00248 = 1.7906 BTC [+]
mike_c: senior editor at fortune is financial noob?
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying in general
benkay: the bitbet irc channel?
benkay: this boggles.
mircea_popescu: benkay ?
benkay: mircea_popescu: the btctalk thread you linked has people talking about the bitbet irc channel and linking the -assets log
mircea_popescu: o o, older stuff. yeah.
mircea_popescu: pankkake if that nonsense doesn't wake up forum mods to the insanity that selfmod threads are, i dunno what will. maybe bitch at them.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 249 @ 0.00248999 = 0.62 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 159 @ 0.00248999 = 0.3959 BTC [+]
jurov`: I just railroaded them into funding voinbr account and laid out their options
mircea_popescu: voyna br!
jurov`: Lol
damagebritain: is AM worth holding?
mircea_popescu: damagebritain probably a better choice than most alternatives.
mircea_popescu: but it's a mining venture. it's mostly going to go lower.
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: If you have AM, maybe hold it for a while and dump it if the share price spikes when their next gen shit comes online, provided they actually have next gen shit.
damagebritain: We'll see won't wee
damagebritain: Have you seen the reports of their immersion cooled blades? I know it isn't next gen but that is cool
dub: immersion cool even
Duffer1: ya it is quite impressive
Duffer1: now they need better gear worthy of their cooling tech :P
mircea_popescu: well cool is one thing. you meant to ask if it's worth holding for the cool ?
dub: wet is another thing
damagebritain: No looking for dividends and hopefully they announce something next gen and we see growth
dub: cool and wet
benkay: warm and wet > cool and wet
damagebritain: new hardware sales and whatnot
dub: benkay: not always
kakobrekla: necro
dub: don't discount the Ability-to-sell-shity-gear-to-retards-hand-over-fist factor
damagebritain: theres that, too
dub: still plenty of milk in that cow
mircea_popescu: dub problem is the price went up
jurov`: They need laz0r cooling
mircea_popescu: the btc price i mean. to get 1 btc that way you need a lot of retards.
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: Dividends are over rated, but S.NSA is cheap at the moment.
dub: countrer problem is theres a lot more retards in the market
mircea_popescu: this is true
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how do you judge that ?
damagebritain: S.NSA never heard of it
kakobrekla: dividends are like candy to make kids shut the fuck up
benkay: snsa is currently pricing in risk of not making delivery by the 25th
jurov`: BingoBoingo and what is fair price? I'll gladly update my sell order and refer everyone to your wise words :)
dub: surely there is 2 weeks of contingency built in there
benkay: dub: pardon?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just guessing from the gut.
BingoBoingo: jurov`: Pulling magic out of my ass
jurov`: Duly noted.
mike_c: s.nsa has 1.2k market cap. 7c could buy it like, 20 times over.
mircea_popescu: by the way, anyone know smt plants working for btc ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah but then it wouldn't be as cool.
damagebritain: whats a good exchange for s.nsa
mike_c: coinbr.com
benkay: damagebritain: mpex.co
kakobrekla: dont go all railroading yo.
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: Assuming you aren't on MPEX and don't have 30 BTC to register with... mike_c
jurov`: No coinbr referrals? Thanks for teh monyz :D
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: Seriously though read moar. Don't invest because this rando told you to.
mike_c: wouldn't want to be accused of being a shill and "associate" of jurov :)
damagebritain: oh I'm not it looks like it just crashed and isn't hashing yet?
mike_c: uh oh
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: Fine wait, I'll get the referral link
damagebritain: price just crashed
mike_c: it's not a mining company
kakobrekla: LOL!
jurov`: mike_c you will be accused anyway, why not get paid for it?
mike_c: true
kakobrekla: hear that mp, cardanos not hashing yet wahts up wiff dat
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: Here's a Coinbr referral link.
FabianB: wahaha, reading is hard
damagebritain: whoa I'm just speculating don't know too much lol
mircea_popescu: we will make a statement about the statement which we can't make for legal reasons at a later point which is very sorry to please understand death in the family my new car crashed
mircea_popescu: in completely unrelated news,
mircea_popescu: "By making their product or artwork display neotenous traits, designers attempt to sway people to enjoy or desire their product because it appears childish, adorable, soft or otherwise desirable. By making a product cute, the nucleus accumbens in the human brain is targeted and elicits a protective or coddling response, which encourages an individual to acquire (purchase) said item. By designing items, characters, food
mircea_popescu: or anything else in this manner, product designers attempt to create the same reaction to a product that a human baby could create."
BingoBoingo: This describes S.NSA http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.NSA
mircea_popescu: so basically designers should be round up and shot.
jurov`: don't forget to get experts of unrelated company involved under nda
mircea_popescu: yes, obama is working for me
mircea_popescu: he has 2 year's experience in managing website creation and deployment,
mircea_popescu: under budget and over spec.
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: Here's more text explaining what S.NSA has planned in the near future.
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/category/snsa/
ozbot: S.NSA pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: so honest question : company with watercooled blades vs company with pubis-bare shirts.
mircea_popescu: which is cooler ?
BingoBoingo: The latter
damagebritain: it isnt water
kakobrekla: IT ISNT WANTER!!!!11
kakobrekla: -n
mircea_popescu: what is it, oil ?
BingoBoingo: Could get wet though...
mircea_popescu: hahaha
assbot: Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1491784/plain/)
mircea_popescu: !b 12
jurov`: mp needs photos with goo
damagebritain: yea probably
jurov`: Or milk.
mircea_popescu: milk cooled asics
mircea_popescu: now that'd be something to behold.
jurov`: ^
mircea_popescu: if difficulty shoots up too much at least you can eat the cheese.
kakobrekla: hahah
KRS|gotyawallet: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 2.777023 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0055651229989 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its largest moon, Ganymede (0.007155 AU).
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet isn't actually krs im just realising
KRS|gotyawallet: eh
KRS|gotyawallet: "krs" is some cat in s.america who registered the nick
mircea_popescu: right
mircea_popescu: by the way, did i mention i now own #nude ?
KRS|gotyawallet: hah cool..need to figger out an ipo for btc sex
KRS|gotyawallet: sex is cash money with or without btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 16666 @ 0.00258018 = 43.0013 BTC [+] {17}
KRS|gotyawallet: maybe #bitcoin-anal
mircea_popescu: i thought i owned that too
mircea_popescu: I THINK I OWN ALL THE THINGS
kakobrekla: i dont think thers much game in sex and btc, but if pays dividends....
KRS|gotyawallet: i think you do, but i'm holding it down
KRS|gotyawallet: Bitcoin-Ass specials: 2 liters anal lube .003 BTC. SENSATIONAL!! 23" Monster Cock (only comes in color BLACK) made with the finest rubber and steel belts. BLOWOUT: Everyone's favorite laxitive COLON BLOW. Everyday low price .001 BTC.
kakobrekla: thats too much
mircea_popescu: * Loaded log from Fri Apr 26 16:44:13 2013 lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3314 @ 0.00274 = 9.0804 BTC [+]
Duffer1: colon blow omg...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 380 @ 0.00274 = 1.0412 BTC [+]
dub: did anyone actually post a coinbr referral? https://coinbr.com/ref?c=A3R7Tstq16
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00274 = 0.1863 BTC [+]
KRS|gotyawallet: bitbar is now $99?
mircea_popescu: what bar is that ?
kakobrekla: thats their market cap prolly
Vexual: choocks finally started laying
truffles: what kind
dub: you are that guy from wolf creek right?
Vexual: i dunno what kind, theyre brown, got them from the market
truffles: u mean a real chicken ..
Vexual: four of your finest pullets please sir
mike_c: not pullets any more
truffles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LK9JIVUHaM
ozbot: aussie chook laying egg - this one's a cracker! - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> so basically designers should be round up and shot. <<<< in some regards, yes, but in the end a designer is paid to solve a "problem" and more often than not, in a way they would not prefer
truffles: tramatized now
ThickAsThieves: clients cause oodles of depression and frustration for that field
KRS|gotyawallet: 1 bitbar = .0979 BTC ~ $100 https://bter.com/trade/btb_btc
KRS|gotyawallet: what in the fuhhh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 209 @ 0.00274 = 0.5727 BTC [+]
Vexual: ahh so thats why i baby talk to my vw bettle
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00274 = 0.1096 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: come to think of it, i kinda disagree with the premise that designers create things to look babyish
benkay: the cloaca blooms
Vexual: your little fuely wuely pump is so inaccesible and ALWYAS FUCKING BREAKIN!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00081427 = 1.71 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: KRS|gotyawallet: Well, with especially failed altcoins there is not uncommonly just one holder and setting the exchange rate so arbitrarily involves a minimal amount of actual money.
mike_c: bitbars are "rare", so the price of one doesn't mean much. market cap of all them is only $600k
mike_c: http://coinmarketcap.com/
ozbot: Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Litecoin Peercoin Namecoin QuarkCoin Megacoin Proto
ThickAsThieves: there's $50m in quarkcoinz?
ThickAsThieves: lol
jurov`: Sooo dude from fortune just asked me if he can fund coinbr account with credit card...
ThickAsThieves: litecoin almost $1b
ThickAsThieves: not so fortunate he can afford real mpex i guess
ThickAsThieves: or maybe he emailed them to
ThickAsThieves: too
BingoBoingo: Lol jurov`
Vexual: company card?
KRS|gotyawallet: a lot of people are going to receive teh proverbial "sore anus" at some distant future.
jurov`: Dunno what card, i rejected. But maybe i can actually sell the card for btc and use that to fund the acct?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves sucks for the designers.
BingoBoingo: http://metro.co.uk/2013/12/03/katana-kitsao-gona-kenya-goat-sex-attacker-faces-victim-in-court-4211564/
ozbot: Katana Kitsao Gona: Kenya goat sex attacker faces victim in court | Metro News
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3000 @ 0.00048972 = 1.4692 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> litecoin almost $1b <<< do you realise most fiat companies are worth less than the lauighingstock altcoin ?
jurov`: Oh and he wants to really short bitcoins not just buy/sell some options.
jurov`: Anyone wants to lend him for lulz?
Vexual: then cry to visa when he fails?
mircea_popescu: jurov` if he can't readily buy bitcoin how would he sell it ?
mircea_popescu: inb4 he ends up with 7k of mtgox usd he can't actually get sent to his acct and we get a forbes bitcointalk thread
benkay: why do the traditional short instead of playing options?
jurov`: Hmmmm.. that's where the lulz come.
BingoBoingo: ... So the Fortune editor is basically Bakewell 2.0? Can he even ident with gribble?
ThickAsThieves: he wants to short?
mircea_popescu: benkay maybe because the plan is to short enough to move the price ?
ThickAsThieves: how much?
ThickAsThieves: send him in here
ThickAsThieves: he'll probly find a deal
mircea_popescu: why so mean ThickAsThieves
jurov`: Dunno. Not in mood to investigate.
benkay: BingoBoingo: he hit irc from a web client.
ThickAsThieves: mean?
ThickAsThieves: i guess bulls are mean
BingoBoingo: benkay: Still doesn't preclude getting in the WoT
ThickAsThieves: and I am a Taurus after all
mircea_popescu: ha.
benkay: BingoBoingo: implies insufficient familiarity with the toolchain to get in the WoT.
jurov`: So should i just write him i have friends on irc and they will loan you?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i would imagine guy got a good enough starter to figure what's what. at this point either he's on a deadline for the next article and well, just drops the entire thing,
mircea_popescu: or else embarks on the 6 mo to a year of lurking, reading and so on.
BingoBoingo: benkay: He's a senior editor. I'm pretty sure he can bully one of his help desk dorks into loaning him the coins.
mike_c: nah, his help desk dork with btc is worth more than him now
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and then he gets davout to whitelist him on btc central or what ?
Vexual: maybe they gonna out satoshi
benkay: BingoBoingo: his help desk dorks don't have enough btc to short and move the price anywhere
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I imagine he does an OTC trade in a rest stop bathroom?
mircea_popescu: well... of course they don't.
benkay: ;;market sell 1000
gribble: A market order to sell 1000 bitcoins right now would net 1115751.6083 USD and would take the last price down to 1100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 1115.7516 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0702 seconds
ThickAsThieves: mega-slippage
benkay: ;;market sell 1000000
gribble: A market order to sell 1000000 bitcoins right now would net 34063873.7035 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0017 USD, resulting in an average price of 34.0639 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 16.7910 seconds
jurov`: ThickAsThieves: can I kindly refer him to bitcoin powerhouse of TAT Investments?
ThickAsThieves: not hanks
mircea_popescu: benkay to quote one of the better lines in city hall, "You ever seen a journalist with a million dollars in cash ?"
ThickAsThieves: unless he wants to a secret shadowy silhouette article on me
Vexual: are bloggers journalists?
benkay: all journalists are bloggers now.
truffles: lol TAT's a baller
mircea_popescu: truffles tat shorted the difficulty, i'll have you know.
truffles: subject im unfamiliar with
mike_c: and he is gunna lose
benkay: mircea_popescu, ThickAsThieves how'd shorting the difficulty work out?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.002735 = 0.3145 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: shorting the difficulty never works out
mircea_popescu: the difficulty is a very long difficulty indeed.
benkay: "the market can remain irrational far longer than you can remain solvent"
ThickAsThieves: i shorted diff?
mike_c: bitbet
ThickAsThieves: well that aint settled yet
mircea_popescu: benkay it can remain rational for even longer than you can remain irrational, is the catch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1085 @ 0.00273959 = 2.9725 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 6400549.04237
ThickAsThieves: stahp!
assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1491849/plain/)
mircea_popescu: !b 7
ThickAsThieves: he wait
mircea_popescu: totally.
ThickAsThieves: it did stop
BingoBoingo: ;;ident BingoBoingo
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user BingoBoingo, with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: funniest thing i read all day.
ThickAsThieves: thats the same diff from this morning?
mircea_popescu: nethash ! what r u doing! nethash! STAHP!!!
ThickAsThieves: sorry, nethash
ThickAsThieves: not diff
benkay: .d
ozbot: 707408283.05150 | Next Diff in 1256 blocks | Estimated Change: 24.1215% in 6d 14h 35m 14s
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 272919 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 1256 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 9 hours, 47 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 880424029.301 | Estimated Percent Change: 24.45769
benkay: i'm intrigued by the bitbet about difficulty falling
BingoBoingo: This blogger is willing to offer the Senior Editor a 2,500,000 Satoshi Grant to study shorting Bitcoin or a 5,000,000 Satoshi loan
mircea_popescu: interestingly enough, any arrangement wherein you borrow bitcoin and then sell it is, in fact, an option.
BingoBoingo: If he is serious he can find my email address embedded here http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgp/ or I'll probably still be lurking
mike_c: well, that is the definition of a short
mike_c: borrow and sell
mircea_popescu: yes.
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL-3VLXNqAI
ozbot: porsche using EMP device on Mullet Ride (to keep from being passed @ thunderhill) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: mike_c but your contract has an implicit strike (established by the interest you pay on the borrow and the price you get on the sale)
mircea_popescu: and it has an expiration (established by the borrow)
mircea_popescu: thus, it's exactly an option.
benkay: ha!
benkay: dat topological identity.
mircea_popescu: well yeah
benkay: i was wondering the other night how likely bitbet would be to displace formal options trading
mircea_popescu: how do you think options ended up existing in the first place,
mircea_popescu: it's not like i was bored one day and invented a new thing/
mircea_popescu: benkay not too likely, it's kinda clunky
mike_c: ah, i see your point. got it.
benkay: well yeah and the whole otc lubrication of trade
mircea_popescu: yeah
benkay: er otc -> contract standardization i mean
ThickAsThieves: where are the new Yes bets? http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/
BingoBoingo: stephengandel: Do you have a bitcoin client of you own running yet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.0008094 = 7.4465 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if you look at it, the yes side is few and mostly large bets, the no is mostly many small bets
mircea_popescu: this to me looks definitely like miners are dominating the yes side.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 883 @ 0.00274 = 2.4194 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00274973 = 0.3437 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZWn2AaJoZo << here, because you're all nuts.
ozbot: Animaniacs: Macadamia Nut **Lyrics in Description** - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 141 @ 0.00274982 = 0.3877 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7400 @ 0.0001099 = 0.8133 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00276 = 0.2401 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: did Havelock skip having a forum thread for the new IPOz?
Duffer1: the 7c thing?
ThickAsThieves: yeah
Duffer1: i didn't even look, i read the email then deleted it when i read the 3rd quarter 2014 part
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1190 @ 0.00010995 = 0.1308 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=354208.msg3791494;topicseen#new
ozbot: SENIGMA a way forward?
ThickAsThieves: look at those poll questions
ThickAsThieves: hehe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 1250 @ 0.00012 = 0.15 BTC [+]
Duffer1: i like voteing
Duffer1: 7c IPOing soon, won't get anything done for a year (while btc price triples in the meantime) sounds like another VTX
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6032 @ 0.00011017 = 0.6645 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5699 @ 0.00011966 = 0.6819 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: didn't vtx also get hacked ?
Vexual: 7c would be a lot cooler if they were building a town in antarctica
mircea_popescu: "For a few months now, Whilst I hold my share prices at 0.012, When I started, This was nothing, Now it is starting to be something, Whilst this is good for early adopters who have got the value back already, Is this too high for anyone else to come in?
mircea_popescu: Your thoughts here."
mircea_popescu: what ?
mircea_popescu: what part of the "i hold my share prices" do i woefully misunderstand ?
ThickAsThieves: i think it's a PMB and/or scam
ThickAsThieves: but i aint gonna dig deeper
mircea_popescu: so is it an actual bond, as in, with a principal and everything ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.156 BTC [-]
Vexual: yep, he buys mining equipment. dividends exist. the end
mircea_popescu: so then how does he hold the shares at whatever
ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/btc-e-exchange-banking-issues/
mircea_popescu: "for many weeks" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C095T] 320 @ 0.04412653 = 14.1205 BTC [-]
Vexual: I will set a buy back out at 20% ???
ThickAsThieves: the dude has colleted less than 10btc
ThickAsThieves: https://cryptostocks.com/securities/45
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00278701 = 5.574 BTC [+] {7}
ThickAsThieves: good day for neo
mircea_popescu: “I’ve sent large amounts by wire and it’s always worked within 24 hours. Check your deposit "
mircea_popescu: retardds. obviously wires in would work fine.
ThickAsThieves: so does btc-e carrying litecoin prevent the Gox effect here?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1292 @ 0.00278768 = 3.6017 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33676818 BTC [-]
snackman: which one of you is mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: snackman kakobrekla.
mircea_popescu: i'm really jurov, who is ThickAsThieves.
mircea_popescu: it's complicated, because finance.
snackman: pathethic piece of romanian scum
snackman: or whatever post-communist shithole you come from
truffles: didnt see that one coming
ThickAsThieves: now taking bets on how long before snakcmna is banned or run out of here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.33586098 = 3.6945 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: the dazzling variety of irc.
snackman: this gypsy owes me 1,000,000 US-dollar cents
truffles: 0,0
mircea_popescu: (which, i will have you know, somalis pronounce irtz)
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE0XcdM22Yo
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kakobrekla: lol
snackman: no, but seriously guys
ThickAsThieves: ok sorry
mircea_popescu: snackman http://trilema.com/2013/the-strange-case-of-the-delusionist-and-later-stories/ << check out the cartoon.
mircea_popescu: it's about you.
snackman: mircea_popescu: ok hold on
ThickAsThieves: the oglaf guy has some good stuff
snackman: mircea_popescu: nice cartoon, also nice post btw
snackman: is that you in the header picture?
mircea_popescu: yes.
ThickAsThieves: it's jurov of course
mircea_popescu: aw shit. caught in my own web of lies
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's a woman!
ThickAsThieves: it's just a pyramid
ThickAsThieves: calm down
mircea_popescu: no i mean the oglaf GUY. it's a girl.
ThickAsThieves: ah ha!
ThickAsThieves: that explains a lot
mircea_popescu: so rarely women do anything worth the mention. why rob them of the little they do.
snackman: well, mircea_popescu, sorry but i can't get it out of my head: *why* do you not want to pay me my 10btc back. please just explain it to me in a calm and rational way
ThickAsThieves: i was just like wow this dude is very progressive with these gay frames
mircea_popescu: snackman actually, there was a post about that, too. didja read that ?
snackman: mircea_popescu: i did.
mircea_popescu: well that's about it.
snackman: mircea_popescu: i'm listening to what you have to say. that post developed into a bashfest
kakobrekla: as all the roads lead to rome, all the questions lead to trilema
mircea_popescu: the trirome!
kakobrekla: and the roastions
ThickAsThieves: trirome, pronounced like tyranny
mircea_popescu: no, like tryrammy.
mircea_popescu: like thrice rammed.
ThickAsThieves: when in rome
snackman: mircea_popescu: i'm still listening. you are wasting my precious time
mircea_popescu: you got that a little backwards neh ?
ThickAsThieves: we're all wasting each other precious time, dont give him all the credit
mircea_popescu: no homo.
snackman: mircea_popescu: you might wanna look up megalomania then
ThickAsThieves: surely he has it tatooed on his penis
mircea_popescu: i was thinking... this guy's theory is that i simultaneously invented the thing and also don't know what it is ?!
dub: megalomania is an awesome old RTS game
ThickAsThieves: snackman, why did you bet so late
snackman: mircea_popescu: so then tell me, why are your genes contaminated by sub-human east european scum parents?
mircea_popescu: o.o
dub: fast bux are the best bux derp
snackman: ThickAsThieves: because i wanted to make the most out of it
snackman: yeah
mircea_popescu: don't they teach debate in school anymore ?!
ThickAsThieves: make the most loss out of it?
dub: did he just call mp a nigger?
snackman: mircea_popescu: at least we have schools here :)
Duffer1: cancelled due to budget cuts mp :P
mircea_popescu: i think i should be insulted by being related to the hottest chicks on planet earth or something
snackman: for everybody, not just the overprivileged party members
snackman: mircea_popescu: nah, i don't think that
mircea_popescu: where's that mit video
Duffer1: if it's not football it's not funded
jamespeerless: does bitbet have a minimum bet? seems like they'd lose money on transaction fees if I don't bet much?
snackman: mircea_popescu: tbh, it's kinda hard to debate an online nickname that has taken 10btc from you and tries to keep it using "arguments"
mircea_popescu: jamespeerless no minimum bet so far.
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ve23i5K334 <<
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snackman: truffles: he took my btcs
Bunnyh: is the NO on bitbet charts really gray? seems teal to me
mircea_popescu: Bunnyh im colorblind.
truffles: why'd he take em snackman?
Bunnyh: ok,i thought i am
mircea_popescu: snackman it's not a nickname dood. that's my name.
mircea_popescu: jamespeerless the reason is that we're oldfags, which means rich, which means with a lot of old coinbases, which means tx are free. or something.
jamespeerless: what do you mean? why would they be free
mircea_popescu: the prioritization of txs takes into account the concept of "bitcoin days destroyed"
mircea_popescu: that's the product of a coinbase's volume with its age.
snackman: truffles: because my transaction was not confirmed in time
snackman: truffles: it was placed on the correct bet though
mircea_popescu: so if you have 1k btc that weren't moved for 3 years, you get about 1mn times the priority of a 1btc that was moved yest.
jamespeerless: got it
jamespeerless: makes sense
truffles: snackman gotta read fine prints
mircea_popescu: in principle it's good for the network to keep moving coins around, i suspect.
kakobrekla: imo just bigger chain
mircea_popescu: or at least satoshi thought so for some reason.
kakobrekla: why
kakobrekla: where
mircea_popescu: it's one of the points i don't quite grasp tbh
snackman: truffles: they weren't, they were FAQs, and i never agreed to them, also this particular clause was *surprising*, therefore not applicable for yet another reason
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well because of the particular design, seems implicit in it.
ThickAsThieves: Hey MP, how bout a compromise, put "Late Bets Will Be Retained" or such on the Send Bitcoins page of bitbet
snackman: mircea_popescu is only not returning them because he assumes that it is unlikely that i will sue him in romania
truffles: so ur situation was outside of terms ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the problem with this approach is that 1. it empowers nonsense and 2. it bloats pages.
Vexual: faqs are accepted to form contract
snackman: truffles: yet, because the txn was sent before, it only arrived later because nobody confirmed it
dub: interestingly educatoin in .us and .ro sucks somewhat equally
mike_c: i always took the priority the opposite, that is - it is discouraging moving coins too much by giving recently spent coins lower priority
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu not like you can mitigate it
snackman: Vexual: yes, if they explicitely ask you to confirm them, which they didnt
dub: though dumb romanians are smarter than dumb americans
snackman: Vexual: also only if there are no surprising clauses
mircea_popescu: mike_c when i say move coins around i mean, not have very old coinbases.
ThickAsThieves: so you dont think "reasonable man" is a concept to consider?
snackman: ?
ThickAsThieves: a reasonable man would likely assume his bet would either be valid at the time of sending, or refunded at a fee
Vexual: a reasonable man reads the contract
snackman: mircea_popescu has forgotten the current btc price, making my loss around 12000 usd, making it more than worth pursing a lawyer. also for the satisfaction of seeing this bastard lose in court
truffles: snackman i get what ure saying, id already have refunded u if it were my biz though, gl
ThickAsThieves: a reasonable contract typically wouldnt have snares
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves a reasonable man would not send bitcoin on the basis of his assumptions.
snackman: truffles: thanks.
mircea_popescu: otherwise the reasonable man can start sending to random addresses.
snackman: mircea_popescu: nice non sequitur
snackman: mircea_popescu: and nice attempt derailing his point
ThickAsThieves: do what you want, i;m just sayin youll likely have this problem continually
mike_c: seriously, if it is such an important amount of money why didn't you do a little research first? doesn't that seem wrong to you at all?
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snackman: mike_c: there was not much time left
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, i'm doing what i think is right, and in so doing i'm preventing others from having the same sort of problem all the time.
mike_c: right.. so you should not have done it.
snackman: mike_c: also, i followed the basic rules: bet on what you think will win
mircea_popescu: the space in which bitcoin busienss will happen is primarily shapen by what sort of precedent we create for it.
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves well, i'm doing what i think is right, and in so doing i'm preventing others from having the same sort of problem all the time. <<< fair enough
snackman: mircea_popescu: you are a scum to the bitcoin economy and community
snackman: mircea_popescu: you are but a leach, you are what is disgraceful in human beings
mircea_popescu: snackman im the largest thing in it ya klutz.
ThickAsThieves: snackman you would be a good diplomat
snackman: ThickAsThieves: why?
mike_c: snackman: can you settle a bet for me. have you placed any more bets on bitbet yet?
ThickAsThieves: you have a way with words
snackman: mircea_popescu: then why would 10btc matter to you?
ThickAsThieves: he just said why
mike_c: cmon snack, fess up. you've place more bets haven't you :)
ThickAsThieves: because he feels his policy helps create the kind of world he wants to live in
snackman: ThickAsThieves: why would i be a good diplomat?
ThickAsThieves: you wouldnt
ThickAsThieves: it's a joke
ThickAsThieves: you suck at convincing people to help you
truffles: i dont think u want him to be more convincing
mike_c: i will send you 0.001 btc if you answer me. it will help you recover.
truffles: thats a general you
Duffer1: whats all this drama now?
Duffer1: someone lost money.. on bitbet?
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ThickAsThieves: yeah they sent money after the answer was known
turbo_ac100: Namworld, I can't get my S.BBET and S.BBET redeemed. That's still possible right?
Duffer1: interesting
ThickAsThieves: turbo_ac100, jurov`can help you, via coinbr.com
snackman: mike_c: of course i have placed more bets afterwards on bidbet
snackman: ThickAsThieves: lie
turbo_ac100: ThickAsThieves, thanks
dub: lol
snackman: Duffer1: they are lying to keep my ONE MILLION cents
mike_c: awwww, sweet, i win. post address and i will send the donation
snackman: my address?
mike_c: if you want the 0.0001 btc i promised
mike_c: er, 0.001
Duffer1: i don't believe they would have to lie to keep your money, there must be something i'm missing
dub: mike_c: make sure you pay the fee
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 a 10 page forum thread
mike_c: lol
Duffer1: not like my opinion matters at all in this anyways, i was just curious
Duffer1: erf, i'll pass, hehe
dub: mike_c: might want to also check if snackman is the 1 person that doesnt require confirmations
snackman: mike_c: 16TNs3DYjkGZrnEW4KV7ust6sWU3Esk7eW
mircea_popescu: in 2020 mike_c will be all like "well sonny, i remember back in the old days, mp was there, and i sent this kid a whole bitcent on a lark"
mike_c: hehe
dexX7: Duffer1: problem was actually that the bet was already resolved when his tx/bet was confirmed which - according to bitbet's faq - entitles bitbet to keep the coins
mircea_popescu: "yeap. that's how it was back then..."
Vexual: and the lawyer got paid a three yeart retainer on that one case...
jamespeerless: mircea_popescu: do you know if sendmany only charges one transaction fee regardless of # of recipients?
Vexual: one tx, one fee
mircea_popescu: jamespeerless i knowandit does.
mircea_popescu: andineed a newspacebar
jamespeerless: what about the 'per kb' rules? i think i read somewhere that 5 recipients is about 1kb? any merit to that?
dub: looking back on how much a trilemna page view cost should be fun
mircea_popescu: jamespeerless the recipients aren't the problem. it's about 60 bytes per
mircea_popescu: your inputs are often the problem, because 1 btc could be made out of 100 mn inputs, aka 10gb
snackman: mircea_popescu: do you have a larger version of your avatar https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=5rlspco75dem9q993n3gh96j90&topic=350342.msg3752137#msg3752137
snackman: ?
mircea_popescu: you know that's not actually me ?
Duffer1: dexx7 i see, thanks
snackman: mircea_popescu: your *avatar*
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: it's not my account dood. it's my pr chick.
snackman: mircea_popescu: yes, i know. it's not her either, just a random pic from the internet
Vexual: http://neogrotesque.net/wp-content/uploads/avatar-3.jpg
ThickAsThieves`: snackman, mircea is schizophrenic
snackman: ThickAsThieves`: i know right
ThickAsThieves`: common in the colorblinded
mircea_popescu: sigh
ThickAsThieves`: lol
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mircea_popescu: snackman http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuff-all-good-conspiracy-theories-start-with/ scroll down
snackman: LOL
snackman: This article is available for a fee.
snackman: megalomania at its finest :D
dub: bloggin aint easy
mircea_popescu: seems you read a bunch. get a proxy.
dexX7: lol
dexX7: this was telling
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dexX7: what's the amount of free articles again?
mike_c: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/further-image.jpg
snackman: no, i scrolled through a bunch of them to see if this counter was real or trolling
dub: yea, dude is running around telling everyone not to use bitbet and avoid mp. all the while still useing bitbet and hanging on mp's every blog
snackman: mike_c: where are the horses?
ThickAsThieves`: thats not mp in that table pic
mike_c: bottom right is mpoe-pr
Vexual: counting and reading all on the same day?
snackman: dub: i literally just explained to you why the counter was 0
mircea_popescu: dexX7 5/week
ThickAsThieves`: oh that reminds me of that joke
snackman: Vexual: i klicked on 6 articles to see if the fee counter was a troll, which would have been funny indeed, if not, retarded as fuck
mircea_popescu: ...
ThickAsThieves`: It's hard to explain puns to kleptomaniacs because they always take things literally.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: are company reports exempt from fee?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the guy on the right there with the dorky hairdue is actually the lawyer you'll probably end up having to argue with
mircea_popescu: mike_c yes, if you don't need to read more than 20 a month.
snackman: mircea_popescu: who doesn't have a dorky haircut in the picture?
snackman: mircea_popescu: also, what picture is this?
mircea_popescu: snackman well you're poor and so can't afford the context.
snackman: mircea_popescu: let the king explain to the peasant then
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mircea_popescu: just use mike's cent to buy some credits
mircea_popescu: I GET ALL THE COINS
snackman: mircea_popescu: how many do you own?
kakobrekla: wait for a month so it matures first
benkay: .d
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0028 = 0.56 BTC [+]
snackman: mircea_popescu: also, if you happen to get any higher resolution pix of your PR chick, let me know.
mircea_popescu: i'll see if google turns anything up.
Duffer1: ya that doesn't sounds creepy dude
snackman: mircea_popescu: i'd happily wank to a girl that's into bitcoins
snackman: mircea_popescu: it didn't
snackman: mircea_popescu: oh sorry, misunderstood you
snackman: mircea_popescu: please do
snackman: mircea_popescu: also, if you would be willing to return even, let's say 10% of the money, that would save both of us lots of stress and i would not bother you again
snackman: seeing that i probably will really have to contact a lawyer...
mircea_popescu: use your noggin for thinking : if my return from hanging out here were actually negative, i wouldn't or else i'd have you sent off.
ThickAsThieves`: that sentence
snackman: make no sense
mircea_popescu: what srsly ?
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, talking to random peeps on irc isn't stressing me, it's mildly enjoyable.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Clarification on a much earlier point of yours. No lawyers presentinga criminal defense, but lawyers are fine arguing in civil cases?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sure. the worst they can do is lose you some money.
BingoBoingo: Fuck, I think I've been doing this legal shit backasswards.
mircea_popescu: that's no different from hiring a plumber.
dub: the guy donated $12k to you, might sa well hang out on irc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 148 @ 0.0028 = 0.4144 BTC [+]
mike_c: well, to the shareholders
dub: shit, throw him some blog credits, he earned it
mike_c: he also drummed up a lot of new business
mircea_popescu: no cause he insultged my megalomania by claiming my troll counter is megalomaniac
dub: mp is 80% of shareholders tho
mike_c: nah
mircea_popescu: dub no i'm not, im under 50%
dub: orly
snackman: mircea_popescu: bets are weighted, so late bets do not disturb the force field
mircea_popescu: yesrly. kako and i have ~35% + w/e didn't sell of the 30% put on sale.
jamespeerless: why do you even have share holders? why not just run it yourself?
mircea_popescu: snackman except if the bet closes early, cause that means the weight was out of whack.
mircea_popescu: jamespeerless i'm trying to build bitcoin into an actual thing.
jamespeerless: by running a gambling website?
mircea_popescu: by running all sorts of things correctly.
BingoBoingo: jamespeerless: A great gambling website. I've won moar there than I lost on Satoshidice.
turbo_ac100: prediction market. please!
ThickAsThieves`: maybe bitbet should have a setting for each bet for rate of weight loss
ThickAsThieves`: a curve
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves` it was in the original spec
mircea_popescu: we cut it out, because curve notation is more than the average person can grok mentally
snackman: mircea_popescu: are you satoshi?
mircea_popescu: and having it graphical turned out to be insanely difficult.
ThickAsThieves`: so use gfx
snackman: mircea_popescu: if you are, i take everything back, the megalomania is justified
ThickAsThieves`: make 3 options
mike_c: same rationale as 3-way resolutions
mircea_popescu: snackman no, i'm nick szabo.
snackman: mircea_popescu: so that's a yes
ThickAsThieves`: fast regular slow
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves`: What's next? Allowing bet creators to specify elliptic curves the bet weight passes through as it degrades over time?
ThickAsThieves`: yes, thats what we are talking about
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves` what's wrong with just setting the weight end point to 80k or w.e ?
dub: appears we are past acceptance and into the dick slurping phase of grief
ThickAsThieves`: i think maybe i misunderstood end weight all along
ThickAsThieves`: which now seems obvious
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves` and you wanteds me to implement splines.
snackman: mircea_popescu: admit it dude
snackman: mircea_popescu: this entire escapade of mine was to test your style
mircea_popescu: o, there was deeper meaning ?
snackman: mircea_popescu: lol of course
mircea_popescu: i like it when there's deeper meaning
ThickAsThieves`: admit what snackman did mp
snackman: and what i assumed was confirmed beyong expectation
snackman: beyond*, as typos are made when you're excited
Duffer1: if true then your actions are too meta for me to grock..
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 it probably has something to do with post communism.
Duffer1: oh lawd you're not helping mp lol
BingoBoingo: snackman: The simple answer is to get your bets in much earlier. As close to opening as possible. Just draw a bullseye on a piece of paper and jack off. If more cum is on the right bet yes. On the left bet no.
snackman: mircea_popescu: not being engrained into mainstream economics by birth certainly helped you
snackman: BingoBoingo: the conversation moved on, screw the play money, i have a much bigger fish to catch
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you have a bitbeteratorium ?
benkay: snackman: fishing for buttcorns?
ThickAsThieves`: sending an email to wikimedia re: donation request pop-up:
ThickAsThieves`: No bitcoin option? Fairweather friends get no shine.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe? Maybe instead of the paper bullseye though I hire a pair of tits. I'm trying to imagine snackman's budget though.
snackman: benkay: i have enough, thank you. i got in early
benkay: snackman: your aggro over 10 seems unwarranted then
mircea_popescu: it's incredible how many people that got in early showed up late.
mircea_popescu: we'd have never guessed in like, 2012.
BingoBoingo: snackman: Actually in IRC everything is roughly on topic for at least 24 hours after it was last mention provided you scroll up
benkay: snackman holds all the buttcorns. it's his private pre-mined altcoin, mircea_popescu, not actual bitcoins.
snackman: benkay: please read the last 5 minutes. the entire thing was an act, carefully orchestrated, and mircea_popescu fell for it graciously
benkay: that's what he means by "got in early"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: To be fair before you showed it was pretty much just the dev circle jerk and the Silk Road honey pot
mircea_popescu: then mp said "let there be tits1
mircea_popescu: and lo tits rain galoare.
BingoBoingo: snackman: I'll give you 5,000,000 Satoshis for a sharpie in the pooper pic with BB written on your asscheeks
snackman: BingoBoingo: the address is up there
snackman: it's not mine btw
BingoBoingo: snackman: It honestly is seeming now like nothing is yours, but the cold embrace of nothingness. How is the void?
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dub: ThickAsThieves`: considering half of wikimedia corp is gmaxwells sausage wallet, they've probably consdired it
snackman: he who own's the keys owns the coins. and he who own's the void owns...
snackman: shit
dub: clearly it didnt rustle jimmies jimmies
snackman: i have found satoshi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 936 @ 0.00278769 = 2.6093 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: snackman: Nah, for that you'd have to check someone's freezer
snackman: BingoBoingo: why do you think that?
snackman: BingoBoingo: why actually kill him to prevent his coins from crashing the market? why not just delete his keys?
BingoBoingo: snackman: Dude invented a cryptocurrency and was paranoid as fuck? Satoshi is probably mooching off of pizza rolls someone else's mom bought
snackman: BingoBoingo: i thought you meant in someone's freezer meant dead
BingoBoingo: snackman: Who the fuck are you Jeffery Damer?
dub: he certainly eats some penus
snackman: BingoBoingo: sorry, pills
snackman: BingoBoingo: work both ways
mircea_popescu: you're too young to be taking pills.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Moar like not ratchet enough...
BingoBoingo: ;;ud ratchet
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ratchet | A diva, mostly from urban cities and ghettos, that has reason to believe she is every mans eye candy. Unfortunately, she's wrong. Typical signs to ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: ratchet
snackman: mircea_popescu: i lived long enough to witness your birth
snackman: ;;ud subhuman romanian nigger scum
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kike&defid=1479218&page=2 | ... Europe (Poland, Romania or Russia), whose family names often ended with "ki " ... Neo-Nazi scum claim that "kikes" control both major US political parties and ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: kike
mircea_popescu: snackman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-11-2013#389001
snackman: mircea_popescu: haha where did you get that pic?
mircea_popescu: S.NSA
BingoBoingo: S.NSA is gunna kill SnapChat
jamespeerless: mircea_popescu: why have separate addresses for each bet instead of just a single address that holds bets for YES and NO?
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-11-2013#389017
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
kakobrekla: o yeah fuck alomost forgot!
mircea_popescu: jamespeerless how do you identify who sent which ?
BingoBoingo: jamespeerless: So people can continue betting on the same position
mircea_popescu: there's numerous advantages.
jamespeerless: mircea_popescu: can't you read the from address in the transaction block?
mircea_popescu: you can but you don't want to, because this way people can send from webwallets or w/e
BingoBoingo: Sometimes you wanna hedge. Sometimes you wanna take all of the position.
jamespeerless: why can't they send from web wallets if you did a single address per bet option
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 45 @ 0.33513812 = 15.0812 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: cause if 5 peopel sent from the same wallet to the same bet your identifiocation scheme would fail
mircea_popescu: also because if i sent the winnings to the address that sent the bet people would end up fucked if they sent from a wallet.
mircea_popescu: (as most wallets don't have any way to associate their payment system to their users)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2539 @ 0.0028 = 7.1092 BTC [+]
snackman: nice
snackman: everything here is a scam
jamespeerless: hm I guess I don't understand "wallets" enough then.. i thought an address was an address
snackman: even mike_c didn't send his promised coins
ThickAsThieves`: lol
mircea_popescu: not practical for a web wallet to allocate addresses to users
mircea_popescu: because it has to coldstore its btc
jamespeerless: ah got it
jamespeerless: makes sense
mircea_popescu: snackman maybe he didn't include a tx fee ?
jamespeerless: seems like most wallets let you generate receiving addresses though
snackman: mircea_popescu: bahahhaahah
mircea_popescu: receiving yes. but they pay from wherever is convenient.
ThickAsThieves`: i like that setup
snackman: mircea_popescu: what a jew indeed
Vexual: i just went to my local casino and tried betting after the bell. Apparently the chips go to the house.
snackman: maybe i will meet him in the synagoge on saturday
ThickAsThieves`: very convenient when you have coins in 10 diff places
mircea_popescu: it dioes have its advantages
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves`: Who doesn't spread their coins over at least 7 places?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00288 = 0.72 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves`: Jesus doesn;t
mircea_popescu: bitcoin jesus ?
ThickAsThieves`: which one?
mircea_popescu: Pietilla Maxwell Von Ver ?
BingoBoingo: stephengandel, that Bitcoin Jesus
ThickAsThieves`: whatever happened to IceDrill anyway?
snackman: mircea_popescu: btw, how much did you cash out?
snackman: when btc hit 1kusd?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00289 = 0.2196 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: lol
benkay: "cave early"
BingoBoingo: Unless we get into some weird gnostic Bitcoin theology where Amir Taaki was Satoshi/Jesus and then gave himself downs syndrome to hide his secret.
snackman: benkay: ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo satoshi wasn't a virgin.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: At some point he/she/monkeyfuckingapig was...
Vexual: vd in the orginal code?
mircea_popescu: well at that point satoshi wasn't satoshi yet.
benkay: well gosh snackman read the log for the past 10 days then you might have a clue as to the references
BingoBoingo: Considering earlier references in this channel has anyone seen Amir's hair yet?
ThickAsThieves`: http://www.icedrill.io
ozbot: IceDrill.ASIC: a DigiMex project
ThickAsThieves`: digital mexicoins!
mircea_popescu: what's with the .io stuff anyway ?
mircea_popescu: they're all scams!
ThickAsThieves`: mexicoin, possibly the best name for a nationcoin?
ThickAsThieves`: vaticoin
kakobrekla: i liked the .io a lot cause of the jupiters moon
asciilifeform: sovcoin.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ya but then they went and inputsio'd all over it
mod6: i used Io once as a a scabble word and was rejected :(
kakobrekla: yea :(
mircea_popescu: (dunno if that cognate works in somalian. to enstinken)
mircea_popescu: chococoin
mircea_popescu: backed by vanilla.
BingoBoingo: Well, we will know when we've hit forbidden territory when .Europa happens.
ThickAsThieves`: so icedrill has oodles of hardware, just none that mines?
ThickAsThieves`: http://www.icedrill.io
ozbot: IceDrill.ASIC: a DigiMex project
ThickAsThieves`: oops
ThickAsThieves`: https://plus.google.com/photos/100533316768811011163/albums/5946837483879253265
ozbot: IceDrill.ASIC DC visit
ThickAsThieves`: ethere they are https://plus.google.com/photos/100533316768811011163/albums/5946837483879253265/5946840121426110546?pid=5946840121426110546&oid=100533316768811011163
ThickAsThieves`: what a nightmare
dexX7: nono
dexX7: they only have a space here afaik: https://plus.google.com/photos/100533316768811011163/albums/5946837483879253265/5946838391947548818?sort=1&pid=5946838391947548818&oid=100533316768811011163
dexX7: and are waiting for hashfast units
ThickAsThieves`: i heard hashfast is scamming
asciilifeform: what part of this couldn't have been filmed by a bored sysop anywhere on the planet?
kakobrekla: hehe BingoBoingo :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the girl.
BingoBoingo: I know you got the reference kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: o wait, nm. wrong webpage.
kakobrekla: yeah, teh avatar is dead giva away
kakobrekla: giveaway
BingoBoingo: The only problem with HAL is that the contractor's specs insisted he be programmed to run on a Java Virtual Machine
kakobrekla: :D
Kleeck_: ThickAsThieves`, are you joking about HashFast scamming?
asciilifeform: maybe i'm just behind the times. but, picture some bozo: 'i'ma build a skyscraper. here's lots of pictures of my bulldozers, cranes! here's some cement mixers!'
Kleeck_: No. You are current with the times.
ThickAsThieves`: Kleeck I am not joking
Kleeck_: I could walk into my datacenter and snap a bunch of awesome pictures. It doesn't mean I'm mining a damn thing.
Kleeck_: ThickAsThieves`, any data that lead you that direction? I have no skin in that game, but I've wondered. It's just a hunch.
ThickAsThieves`: a friend is considering legal counsel against Hashfast
asciilifeform: the sane people version: 'built a skyscraper. here's what it'll cost ya per sq. m. come in?'
mike_c: snackman: have some faith! my wallet is sync'ing. you'll have it soon.
ThickAsThieves`: that's all i know
Kleeck_: Due to the delays?
ThickAsThieves`: i didnt ask for details
ThickAsThieves`: he was looking for a referral
mike_c: transactions aren't instantaneous you know ;)
Kleeck_: I see.
Kleeck_: Not YET, mike_c
snackman: mike_c: hope dies last
dexX7: hashfast is not shipping/delayed more than a month now
Kleeck_: Don't they have a compensation program?
dexX7: they have some strange refund policies, if you mean that
snackman: ThickAsThieves`: why is hashfast scamming?
ThickAsThieves`: same reason as all scammers i assume
ThickAsThieves`: it was the plan, or it became the plan
asciilifeform: man jumps in front of moving bus. considers legal action against bus.
Kleeck_: The cost of being legit is far less appealing than the old "cut and run" I'd assume.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform originally this started as a hobbyst project.
mircea_popescu: people don't have 10k laying around the house.
mircea_popescu: consequently, the first fpga's were pretty much a potluck affair
mircea_popescu: that system worked
mircea_popescu: (everyone delivered, even bfl)
mircea_popescu: it was stretched past its usability into insanity by a desperate desire and need for stability. bitcoin doesn't offer much of that,
mircea_popescu: so people naturally tried to stick to what works
mircea_popescu: that's pretty much the story of how we ended up with the insanity.
mircea_popescu: Kleeck_ people fail to correctly value reputations.
Kleeck_: There is some truth to that, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of truth to it. let's lay it out : bozo comes in when bitcoin is 1 year old, can start a reputation within a week and be doing business within am onth.
mircea_popescu: he imagines the value of this is 1 month.
mircea_popescu: two years later, he needs to be 1 year+ old to be even considered, because now bitcoin is 4 years old.
BingoBoingo: Seems for Litecoin devotees this insanity is going to be magnified as CoinDesk has just reprinted so many people's "press releases" about impending litecoin ASICs and if a single manufacterer delivers it will have meant Litecoin skipped that awkward FPGA adolescence while still staying a fraction of a fraction of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: he goes on forum as a week old and is shocked at how mean people are, telling him to do 6 motynhs + of reading before he opens his mouth again
mircea_popescu: somewhere in there he failed to account for the fact that having kept his reputation intact for those two years is just about as valuable as having kept his bitcoins for two years.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 830 @ 0.00289 = 2.3987 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in fact, everyone evaluates their bitcoin exposure in terms of what their bitcoin holdings are. this is about half the story.
mircea_popescu: the other half is your wot account.
Kleeck_: I agree.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno that anyone will ever deliver ltc asics. putting all that memory on a chip is not trivial.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 568 @ 0.00289784 = 1.646 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ironically because of scrypt, fpgas are actually a much better choice for ltc than asics
mircea_popescu: unless, of course, you're sony or something.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well I figure for some unknow n^th announcement one person or group will inevitably be crazy enough to produce the asics
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 294 @ 0.0029 = 0.8526 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if such things were a function of people's crazyness...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.0029 = 0.2262 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: things like "some chick is crazy enough to produce a pic of a large wooden object stuck in her snatch" is one thing
mircea_popescu: "some guy makes an airplane" is altogether different
BingoBoingo: For all we know the person bankrolling LTC ASICs could be Curt Schilling and the Engineer could be some kid he picked on in highschool who merely has to fulfill the objective of making any LTC capable scrypt ASIC at all. Not necessarily anything close to a profitable scrypt asic.
mircea_popescu: for all we know i'm satoshi, and you're snackman
BingoBoingo: Of course. Maybe I'm Usagi?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 392 @ 0.0029 = 1.1368 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you got too big tits and too much beard to be usagi.
cazalla: thought Curt Schilling was bankrupt after his no show mmorpg
BingoBoingo: I may have plenty of beard, but I'll be damned if my tits are bigger than a grown man named Oliver's.
mircea_popescu: cazalla me too actually.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Bankruptcy is just a fresh start
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well one's enough.
snackman: mircea_popescu: i'm snackman
benkay: no i'm snackman
cazalla: i don't know if any of you played EQ but Curt Schilling was a regular on fohguild forums
ManSnack: cazalla: That dork probably plays WoW too.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.0029 = 0.1363 BTC [+]
snackman: mike_c: you scammed me out of 1000 uBTC
snackman: what is this shit
mike_c: naw, hang on
snackman: i'm getting scammed left and right
mike_c: 1 minute
snackman: mkay
ThickAsThieves`: is this ltc asic news why it's rallying?
ThickAsThieves`: or a diff change?
ThickAsThieves`: or just cuz litecoin
Vexual: coz cant launder 10000 btc on one chain
snackman: mike_c: hilarious, it worked! thanks!
mike_c: double the promised sum because i loved your answer
snackman: mike_c: which one?
mike_c: the "yes, i placed more bets on bitbet"
snackman: mike_c: :D
snackman: mike_c: but i did!
mike_c: i believe you
BingoBoingo: .d
ozbot: 707408283.05150 | Next Diff in 1231 blocks | Estimated Change: 24.8029% in 6d 10h 9m 7s
snackman: the first time i actually got some money out of bitbet
snackman: hilarious
snackman: thanks mike_c
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 103 @ 0.0029 = 0.2987 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.1558366 = 1.5584 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: i'm not bitbet, but you're welcome.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8176 @ 0.00012548 = 1.0259 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: twist : snackman scammed mike_c by falsely claiming to have placed more bitbets
BingoBoingo: Also scammed mike_c's betting counterparty
Vexual: legals will be disproportinally large on 0.001
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.34796684 = 1.0439 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: i sent him 0.002, so it will be worth litigating in a year.
Vexual: just have your lawyer do the photocopying at your office
dub: dat snackman is a weird one
deadweasel: very
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.000125 = 0.5 BTC [-]
snackman: dub: why?
mike_c: $avg
mpexbot: mike_c: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00081201 = 4.3037 BTC [-] {2}
snackman: $avg
mpexbot: snackman: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mod6: $vwap s.mpoe
mpexbot: mod6: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.0008105 high: 0.00081642 low: 0.00078278 volume: 134803 btc: 109.25742952 7 day: average: 0.00080006 high: 0.0008476 low: 0.00078278 volume: 1375619 btc: 1100.57443755 30 day: average: 0.00081815 high: 0.00088996 low: 0.0007725 volume: 5988106 btc: 4899.16264344
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.0031412 = 0.1319 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P140T] 450 @ 0.0308001 = 13.86 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1124 @ 0.00012599 = 0.1416 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.0029 = 0.1015 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1076 @ 0.0001269 = 0.1365 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.125 = 0.375 BTC [+]
dub: snackman: your little routing in #bitcoin
dub: routine jesus fuck
dub: I need a new job
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34099 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34601 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34198 BTC [-]
dub: <snackman> 16TNs3DYjkGZrnEW4KV7ust6sWU3Esk7eW this address just got 0.002 btc
dub: <snackman> it's my address
dub: <snackman> but i don't know from who i got it
dub: <snackman> i never published it
dub: <snackman> it's creepy as f*ck
dub: shortly after mike_c's tx hit
mike_c: nice
Namworld: I sometimes get random dust/BTC
Namworld: Not sure why
Namworld: at some of my random address
dub: true to form the usual tard brigade took the bait, gmax and phantomcircuit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33899 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34400001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3379999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00080929 = 5.9483 BTC [-]
nubbins`: hi
KRS|gotyawallet: guess i missed a little drama since i've been gone..heh
Duffer1: there's no end to bitcoin drama
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3473 @ 0.00012759 = 0.4431 BTC [+] {3}
KRS|gotyawallet: aint it great
Duffer1: only if it's not you directly involved with it :( :( :( :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2492 @ 0.00013 = 0.324 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17910 @ 0.00011607 = 2.0788 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: mpex bot must be a little butthurt from last month :) lot size is 0.1 now but it still quotes for 1000 contracts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00289999 = 0.1102 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;ident BingoBoingo
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user BingoBoingo, with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
KRS|gotyawallet: ;;ident KRS-1
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
KRS|gotyawallet: ;;ident KRS
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
KRS|gotyawallet: ;;ident KRS-
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.348425 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.348425 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;ident KRS|gotyawallet
gribble: Nick 'KRS|gotyawallet', with hostmask 'KRS|gotyawallet!~foo@c-50-143-86-143.hsd1.fl.comcast.net', is not identified.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.348425 = 5.2264 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10445 @ 0.00080922 = 8.4523 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu solar fart dude wants your PR girl to make some sort of decision on her "share" according to this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=293098.msg3678941#msg3678941
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: dust TX, if they exist, could be interesting. bit flips from cosmic rays?
asciilifeform: as seen here: http://dinaburg.org/bitsquatting.html
dub: it happens
asciilifeform: phun phact: most public key cryptosystems cough up key bits in this scenario.
asciilifeform: consider the trivial case of RSA with lowest bit in 'p' or 'q' (pubkey = PxQ) flipped.
dub: wonder if there is any research into encouraging them
asciilifeform: suddenly 'p' (or 'q') is composite.
KRS|gotyawallet: Ruh roh
KRS|gotyawallet: http://english.cri.cn/6909/2013/12/03/2724s801532.htm
KRS|gotyawallet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzW8rvyZmUE&feature=player_embedded
ozbot: Do You Know Your Crypto Currencies? - YouTube
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe you linked this, but I recall finding a paper on how SPARC chips can leak RSA keys given an attacker feeding the system sertain kinds of voltage fluctuations.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is by no means particular to SPARC
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine not.
asciilifeform: if the probability of a 'cough' is sufficiently large, any system that can be 'milked' for RSA exchanges is vulnerable.
BingoBoingo: Well, the Cardano uses a battery for a reason...
asciilifeform: moral: 1) single-tasking machine 2) performing crypto-ops when you want, and not when internet asks 1000x/sec.; 3) battery belongs to you and physically visible
asciilifeform: 4) change keys sometimes.
BingoBoingo: 5) if everything else fails https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXOvjf-IrL8
asciilifeform: anybody feeling particularly energetic is invited to carry out an experiment:
asciilifeform: 'dust telescope.'
asciilifeform: run blockchain; generate as many random addrs as will fit on disk...
asciilifeform: helps if you have a reasonable entropy source, but not essential for this application.
asciilifeform: then countdown until fools start pushing 'dust miner bonds', l33t, 11111....
dub: still seems like a rather larger collision space than some well known short domain names
asciilifeform: large - but finite.
asciilifeform: in fact, bonus points if you use a known turd for an entropy source
asciilifeform: that others, generating addrs in the past, may have used...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00289999 = 0.203 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: wonder if you'll run out of disk or cpu first.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 344 @ 0.0029 = 0.9976 BTC [+]
nubbins`: oxygen
asciilifeform: will to live?
nubbins`: btc
dub: strangled by out of control neckbeard
nubbins`: everything, probably
nubbins`: ^ even this
dub: bonus points for firing acetone charged magnets at the sun to generate extra gamma particles
asciilifeform: there's plenty of gamma to go around. and ECC RAM has gone out of fashion.
dub: in my world its always fun to see new players flapping about random ECC error alarms
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.00289999 = 0.2001 BTC [-]
dub: the look on their face when they find out you weren't joking when you said 'cosmic rays'
asciilifeform: 'the miser pays twice.' using cheapo hardware has a cost. eventually people will pay the cost.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.348425 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 210 @ 0.00289999 = 0.609 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00081141 = 8.6821 BTC [+]

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