Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2013-10-02 | 2013-10-04 → ↓
kakobrekla: electro popy
kakobrekla: electro pop is (Y)
Vexual: my mouth goes ooo
Vexual: because i got to
Vexual: now jazz
Vexual: oh no oh yes
VanCleef: jewtube and jewbook
Vexual: this is why europe is best rope
Vexual: so many forgotten house tracks, and so many of them emorable
Vexual: le roland
Vexual: manufique
thestringpuller: 10 DOOBIES TO THE FACE NIGGA FUCK DAT
thestringpuller: jazz is the greatest genre of all time
thestringpuller: cause murica is da beeeestest
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00978999 = 0.3916 BTC [+]
ozbot: Dave Brubeck - Take Five - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00091611 = 2.6109 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 755 @ 0.00091352 = 0.6897 BTC [-]
ozbot: Armand Van Helden feat. Tara McDonald - My My My - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00092088 = 0.7367 BTC [+]
Vexual: wake up mircea
ozbot: Eric Clapton- Cocaine - YouTube
ozbot: L. A. Woman - The Doors - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170 @ 0.00092088 = 0.1565 BTC [+]
bloctoc: is there a way to bloc Vexual from my internet?
Vexual: you can pay your dues like the others do
Vexual: (im just mp crew)
dub: bloctoc: hit up SR for a contract killing
Vexual: careful now dub
bloctoc: unfortunately I hit up Ross Ulbricht for some bitcoins a couple of months ago at the buttonwood meetup. I sent my name and address to his gmail account. Waiting for a knock on the door any minute...
dub: ouch
bloctoc: I never even heard of SR until just now when you brought it up.
Vexual: better call saul
phish: there's nothign illegal about buying bitcoins
bloctoc: phish then I guess I'm good. see all y'all at buttonwood on Thursday
Vexual: no but if you've bheen naughty its really time to lawyer up, sorry to be the bearer of bad news
phish: if they do knock on yoru door, just ask for a lawyer as vex said ;)
Vexual: yeah but when you're in custody they dont let you google to find the best dude
bloctoc: so, saul is the best dude?
Vexual: luke jr unaffected
ozbot: Born On The Bayou - Creedence Clearwater Revival - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.95 = 1.9 BTC [-]
ozbot: stereo mcs- connected - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.95013333 = 2.8504 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 16 @ 0.96335624 = 15.4137 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 0.9611 = 18.2609 BTC [-]
Vexual: guten morgan smidge, im audi
Vexual: ciao
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 580 @ 0.00092132 = 0.5344 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 32 @ 0.00538293 = 0.1723 BTC [+] {2}
smidge: hi
smidge: :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 100 @ 0.006781 = 0.6781 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 100 @ 0.006781 = 0.6781 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 920 @ 0.00091655 = 0.8432 BTC [-]
bloctoc: I hope the next silk road only takes ripple (XRP) since it's so fast clearing transactions
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2473 @ 0.00092578 = 2.2895 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 445 @ 0.001368 = 0.6088 BTC [-]
bgupta: any word on why bitcointalk has been down for an extended period?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00092771 = 1.3916 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: bgupta: check your email
bgupta: Diablo-D3: nothing related.
Diablo-D3: bgupta: you might not have gotten it yet
Diablo-D3: but there was a break in
Diablo-D3: and a reminder to change your password when it gets back
bgupta: does the email indicate how much longer it will be down?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 50 @ 0.04345 = 2.1725 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: The consultant
thestringpuller: Diablo-D3: what do you even do where is the 1 billion dollar plan you were enacting
thestringpuller: /trolltrolltroll
Diablo-D3: thestringpuller: trying to secure funding for it.
mircea_popescu: dude bitcoin was totally dependent on sr. har har.
Diablo-D3: thestringpuller: Im actually thinking about doing this bottom up instead of top down
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 490 @ 0.005383 = 2.6377 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 31 @ 0.005384 = 0.1669 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 7400 @ 0.00020279 = 1.5006 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 600 @ 0.0002185 = 0.1311 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 170 @ 0.00135 = 0.2295 BTC [-]
ozbot: S.MG, September 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 89 @ 0.0099 = 0.8811 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00092419 = 2.5877 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: I was right, you were wrong. Again. Feel the burn. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 990 @ 0.00092443 = 0.9152 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 400 @ 0.005384 = 2.1536 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o hey, retardstalk got owned ?
ColdHardMetal: that's the word on the street.
mircea_popescu: i thought you had admin there ? wha happened ?
ColdHardMetal: who? me? no.
mircea_popescu: weak avatar uploading script it seems.
ColdHardMetal: something like that. they were talking about it on reddit.
phish: .d
ozbot: 148819199.80509 | Next Diff in 641 blocks | Estimated Change: 22.8042% in 3d 10h 25m 11s
mircea_popescu: "Update: It's unfortunately worse than I thought. There's a good chance that the attacker(s) could have executed arbitrary PHP code and therefore could have accessed the database, but I'm not sure yet how difficult this would be. I'm sending out a mass mailing to all Forum users about this."
mircea_popescu: Figuring out the specifics is probably beyond my skills, so 50 BTC to the first person who tells me how this was done. (You have to convince me that your flaw was the one actually used.) The forum won't go back up until I know how this was done, so it could be down for a while.
dub: i hope they deleted the data and phantomcircuit was handling backups
mircea_popescu: i guess this is for the best.
VanCleef: i hope everything was salted
mircea_popescu: passwords were apparently reasonably secure. nothing else obviously. i guess i'll get spam about buying btctalk pms now on top of everythinfg else.
VanCleef: useless pricks
mircea_popescu: funny thing is there was like what, 10k btc in the "donations to improve forum" stash
mircea_popescu: jurov you saw original complaint ?
San1ty: Hello
San1ty: wow btc-talk offline?
mircea_popescu: (the one this is superseeding)
mircea_popescu: San1ty haxed.
mircea_popescu: won't be back for a while.
San1ty: mircea_popescu: Wow, for a while? Not so easy to fix?
jurov: yes and here it is said straightly that the UC (undercover capacity) sent him fake photo of the murder
mircea_popescu: theymos is suspicious or something
mircea_popescu: jurov o yeah ?!
mircea_popescu: haha the plot thickens.
mircea_popescu: i wonder why go about it in this strange manner.
Apocalyptic: <jurov> yes and here it is said straightly that the UC (undercover capacity) sent him fake photo of the murder // wtf
Apocalyptic: downloading now, seems farfetched to me
jurov: hardly, they elaborate on whole process
mircea_popescu: so did the first guy that drafted the first ocmplaint not know about this ?
jurov: seems so
mircea_popescu: as in, fbi AND dea were doing it ?
mircea_popescu: haha poor guy.
jurov: inception
mircea_popescu: he's fucked, basically. he will ge consecutive life terms, and he'll serve it in the high security ward
mircea_popescu: ie, with all the ACTUAL drug lords.
VanCleef: no he wont
VanCleef: he will cut a deal and snitch on everyone
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00028849 = 0.2885 BTC [+]
truffles: soo is entrapment legal everywhere?
ozbot: BitBet, September 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^
mircea_popescu: VanCleef deal to what ?
mircea_popescu: nah, im affraid they're making an example of him.
mircea_popescu: remember that kid that killed himself over whatever downloads ?
jurov: mircea_popescu and did you pay mpoe divs already? i saw nothing
mircea_popescu: not yet no.
mircea_popescu: it's getting done this week.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 120 @ 0.001214 = 0.1457 BTC [+]
San1ty: did anyone already get a notification from TaT about their neobee transfer?
mircea_popescu: nice find that indictment jurov. basically in the spring of 2013 silkroad was struggling to push 1kg of coke,
mircea_popescu: to the degree they ended up buying it themselves.
mircea_popescu: fucking ridiculous.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 310 @ 0.00092443 = 0.2866 BTC [+]
jurov: imagine if it comes out that large part of sr volume was between various TLAs
mircea_popescu: seems likely at this point.
mircea_popescu: fbi made > 100 purchases of dea stuff
mircea_popescu: anyway, i updated my article from yest. the entire lulz angle isn't quite as adequate nao.
mircea_popescu: holy shit HE WIRED MONEY
mircea_popescu: this kid wired 40k usd to a capital one account in payment for a murder for hire to some guy he met on the internet
mircea_popescu: i need the rest of the day off here.
Apocalyptic: unreal
Apocalyptic: kid was a fucking joke
truffles: sometimes (many times) nerds lack the common sense u know
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.9614 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.9613 = 3.8452 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.04353 = 0.1306 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2429 @ 0.00018705 = 0.4543 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 7571 @ 0.00018248 = 1.3816 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 200 @ 0.00123499 = 0.247 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 884 @ 0.00126079 = 1.1145 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00092762 = 2.4118 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 707 @ 0.001217 = 0.8604 BTC [-]
dexX7: btctalk bounty still unclaimed?
dexX7: those guys are hillarious
dexX7: "special message from satoshi" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2meowzEwIdw
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 157 @ 0.01 = 1.57 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 667 @ 0.001217 = 0.8117 BTC [-]
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 261454 | Current Difficulty: 1.4881919980509263E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 262079 | Next Difficulty In: 625 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 5 hours, 19 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 182871611.889 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.88173
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00092762 = 1.7625 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.0009296 = 4.741 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 845 @ 0.0009305 = 0.7863 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5299 @ 0.00092762 = 4.9155 BTC [-]
ozbot: Raw: Suspect beats up 75-year-old man - Video on NBCNews.com
kleeck: WTF ozbot? That's not the content.
josh16: mircea_popescu why didn't the price crash like a motherfucker, what do you think?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.0009305 = 3.9081 BTC [+]
josh16: cause SR was <5% of the Bitcoin economy?
VanCleef: 80% of all bitcoin buying demand
gecko_x2: bitcointalk down?
dexX7: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-VYiTs34s <<
gecko_x2: lol dexX7
gecko_x2: hehehe
gecko_x2: lol this vid
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.0009305 = 3.4429 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.91976963 = 26.6733 BTC [-] {10}
deadweasel: lol Graet, the question is, how many times has it already happened?
Graet: bitcointalk hacked? this is about the 3rd time i remember
Graet: funny how a decentralised currency relies so heavily on 1 forum :P
nubbins`: hey, there's reddit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.8983846 = 14.3742 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: anyway, death of tom clancy is obv related to both btctalk being down and dpr derping himself into custody
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00978546 = 0.6458 BTC [-] {9}
kleeck: also the Tattis.
kleeck: and Armond
kleeck: and Nefario
kleeck: and, of course, 9/11 which is tied to the Holocaust.
ozbot: Meteors Destroy Big Ben - YouTube
dexX7: it is all connected >D
kleeck: lol
kleeck: favorite comment, "fake"
kleeck: Meteorite deniers are the worst.
dexX7: that's "the special message from satoshi" to the btctalk users :S
nubbins`: obv fake!
nubbins`: considering opening a site called the Milk Road
nubbins`: where vendors sell molokosynthemesc
nubbins`: and related substances
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00959075 = 0.7673 BTC [-] {4}
VanCleef: Tom Clancy new book was on SR
thestringpuller: I can't believe DPR was operation out of the US
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 757 @ 0.00019786 = 0.1498 BTC [+] {2}
Rawted: lol im just reading about it too.
Rawted: ]he sure talked a big game
Rawted: bitcoiners, meh
nubbins`: heavy lels when i read that his $80k "clean hit" was staged by the feds
nubbins`: what a fucking dummy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4719 @ 0.00092691 = 4.3741 BTC [-] {2}
Rawted: lol ya
nubbins`: and so hubris and vainglory became his undoing
nubbins`: real libertarian hero
nubbins`: ordering beatings and assassinations
Rawted: and on top of the murder for hire, this dumbass then buys a few dozen fake ids from the guy doing the hit, and bam, they can now match his known picture with the one used for the IDs
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: getting shit mailed to his house
Rawted: and in the end, he was just some holier than thou hipster
nubbins`: like...
Rawted: its amusing
nubbins`: half the people buying on SR took more precautions than he did
jcpham: i think it's funny because the criminal is being criticized by criminals
nubbins`: everybody is a criminal
nubbins`: you, me, everyone
jcpham: i'm not disagreeing
nubbins`: well, who else would he be criticized by? there's nobody left
jcpham: what is crime?
nubbins`: what is reality?
Rawted: wow, he ssh'd directly into the site to admin it from a internet cafe
Rawted: lmao
Rawted: let's see $16/btc again please
jcpham: these labcoin explanation threads on reddit are also funny
nubbins`: wishful thinking
kakobrekla: >Well at least BitBet did better than BTCtalk and Silk Road this month. I blame the Somalian.
kakobrekla: im fucked till i die.
nubbins`: the price of BTC dipped for what, a couple hours?
Rawted: the whales can only hold the market up for so long
nubbins`: havelock:
nubbins`: There are insufficient funds in the Hot Wallet to process your withdraw. The site operators have been notified of your request and will move Bitcoins from Cold Storage. Please try your withdraw again after 1 full business day.
Rawted: everyone cashing out
nubbins`: fffffff....
nubbins`: never trust another human with your money
nubbins`: "I have gone through the mental exercise of spending a lifetime in prison and of dying for this cause. I have let the fear pass through me and with clarity commit myself fully to the mission and values outlined in the Silk Road charter."
nubbins`: don't worry guys, he THOUGHT about spending 60 years in jail and decided it's no biggie
kakobrekla: where is that from nubbins`
ozbot: Activist Post: Virtual black market Atlantis walks the plank, Dread Pirate Roberts humbled
nubbins`: that was from like 2 weeks ago
nubbins`: would be interesting to see if he still holds those beliefs
Rulother: strange seeing havelock out number btct in trades
nubbins`: strange seeing them run out of BTC to cover withdrawals too
Rawted: btct is shutting down, no?
nubbins`: oct 7?
Rawted: lots of bad stuff happening to btc
nubbins`: man. i called my bank today to see about opening a safety deposit box
nubbins`: they said
nubbins`: and i'm not shitting you
nubbins`: that they couldn't open the box that has all their keys in it
nubbins`: and so i'd have to wait until monday
Rawted: lol
nubbins`: "so safe that not even YOU can access it"
nubbins`: ;;seen chaangnoi
gribble: chaangnoi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 15 hours, 42 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <ChaangNoi> sorry for double post i fail at irc
nubbins`: ;;seen chaang-noi
gribble: chaang-noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 14 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <chaang-noi> TOM FORD
Namworld: SR, now Bitcointalk.org
VanCleef: gov is going through everyones messages and pm's n that
VanCleef: should we be worried?
VanCleef: or are they just looking for people who used sr?
zoinky: what makes you say that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1587 @ 0.00127999 = 2.0313 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.85 = 18.7 BTC [-]
deadweasel: messages were supposedly deleted after 30 days
deadweasel: so if you didn't use cleartext for the couple months before they got it, you should be ok.
taub: 3.6 million in bit coins that was held in escrow
taub: so the us gov just got 1/7th of all bitcoins?
Namworld: Bitcointalk.org will be back
Graet: yep, got eta tho?
zoinky: taub, they have 3.6 million USD worth of bitcoin
Namworld: btct.co isn't available either, lol
Rulother: I can use btct
Namworld: I get "Error:
Namworld: Xcoind backend failure at 135
Namworld: whenever I try and open any page
taub: aight zoinky
taub: that makes more sense
Rulother: Well I can go through the site but can't make any trades
plambert: I was just using btct, works for me
Rulother: If that makes you feel any better :)
plambert: nevermind, I see the failure message when i try to buy
plambert: Is labcoin still a scam?
Rulother: Could be, we're working on getting more information out Sam/Labcoin and trying to get things moving onto BF
Rulother: If anything more so a failed project
plambert: this might sound like a silly queston, but on Havelock, where do you go to change your password?
samson_: I was reading on the silk road forums today, interesting stuff. Someone else got arrested in the UK. Someone who sells packaging supplies to silk roaders....It could be argued that selling packaging containers is not illegal but they arrested him and stole his computer anyway.
zoinky: he also sold seeds
zoinky: but thats not illegal either is it?
samson_: I don't think so, not in the UK anyway
ozbot: Possible first raid on a vendor : SilkRoad
samson_: yes, that's the same one from the forum
samson_: They're looking for his customer list by the looks of it. He's out on bail already according to the forum
zoinky: nuts im sure more arrests will happen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00093002 = 2.9761 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.87 = 2.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00290101 = 0.2959 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 87 @ 0.00944782 = 0.822 BTC [-] {7}
VanCleef: yeeeeeeh my nicca posted bail
VanCleef: give em hell pirate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 112 @ 0.00290002 = 0.3248 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1139 @ 0.0029 = 3.3031 BTC [-] {3}
deadweasel: I don't see my name in the btctalk dump: http://pastebin.com/4Hf37D9H
kakobrekla: only 5k there
San1ty: I forget the spam email I used on bitcointalk :D
San1ty: I don't know if I'm on there :p
zoinky: where'd that get leaked from
Rulother: I'm not on there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.9 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: only 5k users there
kakobrekla: cant you read
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.0009303 = 2.6514 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.14299996 = 0.286 BTC [+]
Rawted: so what's keeping btc up? what are people spending their btc on now?
Rawted: i have to be honest, i always thought that if the silk road place went down, bitcoin would go with it, as i simply dont see enough commerce available.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00093002 = 1.6275 BTC [-]
jcpham: jcpham@tiscali.it
jcpham: SO MUCH ROFFL
pankkake: .it => scammer
jcpham: it's not even me
jcpham: frankly i see a lot of important names though
jcpham: fo sho
jcpham: i say targeted list
zoinky: Rawted, i imagine the silkroad community is hooked and just looking for alternatives.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1405 @ 0.00127999 = 1.7984 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 250 @ 0.00128 = 0.32 BTC [+]
ozbot: Edward Snowden's E-Mail Provider Defied FBI Demands to Turn Over Crypto Keys, Documents Show | Threa
afrotec: Levison is the man
kakobrekla: also FBI doesnt know how to use a scanner
kakobrekla: i mean shit, its same way i store my privates
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00092926 = 1.8121 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00093095 = 0.9775 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00127 = 0.127 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00093095 = 2.1877 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i store my privates in a jar on my wife's nightstand
mjoiii_: I store my privates in my wife
mjoiii_: From time to time
KRS-1: me too.
KRS-1: Thank you for that.
mjoiii_: Yeah thought I'd share
KRS-1: Sharing is caring.
mjoiii_: Oh shit over my head... You bastard!
kakobrekla: i keep my privates encrypted and printed on paper on location A and B, and the key to unlock those in location C and D
nubbins`: oh, shit, we're talking about keys!
nubbins`: lel, so embarassed, &c
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00999899 = 0.4999 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: bitcointalk.org db dump (150k records) - Pastebin.com
ieatcows: yikes
kakobrekla: prolly faek
Rannasha: Hmm.. I'm disappointed that they guy didn't even send 2-3 BTC transactions to that address to at least make it appear as if people are taking the offer
Rannasha: The BTC address has not seen any transactions.
pankkake: e-mails and hashed passwords? pretty much useless
nubbins`: why the fuck would anyone buy that?
pankkake: spammers buy e-mail lists
ozbot: bitcointalk.org db dump with over 150K emails and hashed passwords; get a pri - Pastebin.com
nubbins`: but for 25 BTC?
pankkake: probably not
nubbins`: that's almost 2 cents per email!
nubbins`: highway robbery
pankkake: and the mtgox mails are already a good db for bticoin spams
kakobrekla: at that time their db was small
jcpham: but can't i just watch that address and mitm the list now
jcpham: when someone pays him, email him and say it was me
jcpham: i bet he challenges it wanting something signed too
nubbins`: no doubt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.14299996 = 0.286 BTC [+]
robitnik: anyone heard from burnside? no trading on btct.co for 7 hours.
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1t4k5Y4NFFkvEAqBPymW2PDA5pZqiRm11
nubbins`: seems legit, i will send all my coins there
nubbins`: 1 sec
afrotec: plunge when it comes back i bet
Rulother: Yeah not looking forward to that
Rulother: Does anyone remember btct's address? btc addy
afrotec: *if it comes back
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11000 @ 0.00027999 = 3.0799 BTC [-] {3}
jborkl: i guess we are all going to have to move over to Yahoo message board
Rulother: For the amount of trolls on btctalk, wouldn't 4chan be better?
ozbot: 148819199.80509 | Next Diff in 562 blocks | Estimated Change: 24.1651% in 2d 22h 44m 56s
nubbins`: gold coins vs gold wafers, any thoughts?
Rulother: gold waffles?
nubbins`: the fuck
nubbins`: someone in #bitcoin suggested gold pancakes
nubbins`: you guise! :(
Rulother: The Flap Jack Miner 2000
jborkl: you know this shows I am old or something. I have never been to 4chan
Rulother: 4chan is pretty old, but don't worry it's a silly place
Rulother: It's mainly Troll HQ
jborkl: I am not much into reading troll, I can't even stand -otc
nubbins`: -otc is generally teenagers trying to buy and sell btc through the most arcane, convoluted means possible
nubbins`: at least, that's what i gather
Rulother: It can be amusing to read sometimes, they will hijack (not hack) several voting events like I believe the Hijacked Justin Bieber's voting page once on his site with "Where should Justin go next?" And had all the members vote for North Korea
jborkl: yeah or they are mentally challenged, one of the two
afrotec: hahaha i love when they do that. theres a lot of followers, can be a powerful force
ieatcows: whats the deal with ADDICTION? they getting some miners soon?
jborkl: I did very much enjoy the mac webkit error that kicked you off IRC
nubbins`: webkit ftw
nubbins`: it's my favourite rendering engine!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00093135 = 1.2108 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1770 @ 0.00022701 = 0.4018 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6778 @ 0.00022701 = 1.5387 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5407 @ 0.00022701 = 1.2274 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.00027999 = 0.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 348 @ 0.00934878 = 3.2534 BTC [-] {21}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00093135 = 2.1421 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 130.01000, Best ask: 130.10398, Bid-ask spread: 0.09398, Last trade: 130.00000, 24 hour volume: 65013.66466618, 24 hour low: 118.23000, 24 hour high: 132.00000, 24 hour vwap: 126.12904
ozbot: 148819199.80509 | Next Diff in 556 blocks | Estimated Change: 23.8005% in 2d 22h 29m 6s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00812253 = 0.1625 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 525 @ 0.00123857 = 0.6502 BTC [-] {6}
plambert: is btct working yet?
plambert: nope, still has error message
zoinky: im on btct
dexX7: try to buy/sell ... won't work
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00801308 = 0.2644 BTC [-] {2}
zoinky: ah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00800003 = 0.224 BTC [-]
plambert: anybody know how to contact burnsides to get btct back up again?
kakobrekla: call 080-NEFARIOUS
imsaguy: wasn't that in the announcement?
imsaguy: that on a certain date, trading would stop?
plambert: did you see the news that the helpline for ObamaCare is 1-800-F1U-CKYO ?
plambert: imsaguy - I thought trading went until the 7th?
imsaguy: I don't know the date.
imsaguy: I don't use the exchange.
imsaguy: I'm just going based on what I can remember from what I read.
plambert: "October 7, 2013, all forms of secondary market trading will be halted on both sites" from the website
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00093352 = 4.0141 BTC [+] {4}
plambert: what's the number in the curly braces at the end of the ticker mean?
Rannasha: the number of trades that were condensed into the single report
Rannasha: so the last report means that 4 trades were executed, totalling 4300 shares, average price of 0.00093352
plambert: damn hackers
jurov: is he selling deleted posts, too? would buy for lulz
plambert: Are the passwords each hashed individually, or once he breaks the encryption for one he can read all of them?
ozbot: bitcoin***.org - Pastebin.com
kakobrekla: plambert no
plambert: no what?
jurov: that's question for theymos... if he used standard salted hashes then only easy passwords can be cracked
dexX7: "Passwords are hashed using sha256crypt with 7500 rounds (very strong)"
Diablo-D3: the email answered it anyhow
Diablo-D3: yeah that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4997 @ 0.00093611 = 4.6777 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: eeeh? gonna increase my fat-finger-catch asks
jurov: on s.mpoe
FabianB: jurov: what are fat-finger-catch asks? for accidental buys?
jurov: yes, if one places buy for s.mpoe at market place.. or puts decimal dot in wrong place
jurov: happened serveral times on mpex already
FabianB: jurov: yeah, but noticed it mostly downwards
jurov: only 45k shares for sale atm
FabianB: very thin, noone wants to sell
lewicki: interested to see what becaomes of the 600,000 bitcoins
kakobrekla: what if someone does that on coinbr
kakobrekla: you gonna take the gap?
afrotec: ;;me
gribble: Error: "me" is not a valid command.
jurov: kakobrekla: what exactly? putting in unfavorable price?
jurov: it will still get dutifully placed on mpex and mpex will duly fill it and report cross-trade (an undocumented feature)
plambert: say somebody says "sell at 0.0000001" and they actually sell at 0.001, do you credit them the 0.001 or the 0.0000001?
jurov: no, i credit them real sell price
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1t4k5Y4NFFkvEAqBPymW2PDA5pZqiRm11
Rulother: amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Rulother: dammit
kakobrekla: midge doesnt give a fuck.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.9 = 2.7 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;bc,convert eur
gribble: 1 BTC = 130.12900 U.S. dollars = 96.2350244 Euros
jurov: ;;seen davout
gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 7 hours, 37 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <davout> mircea_popescu: there's still work to get everything smoothly running
jurov: indeed...waiting almos a week for verfication
kakobrekla: yeah i might register as well there
kakobrekla: since i ditched the two cans and a string exchange
jurov: you weren't there before? my old account still works, just needs reverification
kakobrekla: i wasnt
plambert: looks like the price has pretty much bounced back from yesterday's "crash!!1! omg the sky is falling this is the end of bitcoins"
kakobrekla: crackheads ran out of btc to sell
jurov: plambert: i guess hedge fund managers used any panic sells to slightly improve their btc position
plambert: Who here got the cheapest bitcoins? I got some for about 105
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00093429 = 0.654 BTC [-]
gimme_bottles: what's up with btc-tc? no trades in 10 hours
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0085 = 0.17 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0084956 = 0.2549 BTC [-] {3}
Kleeck_: .d
ozbot: 148819199.80509 | Next Diff in 539 blocks | Estimated Change: 23.9647% in 2d 20h 3m 30s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2815 @ 0.00093429 = 2.63 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4235 @ 0.0009366 = 3.9665 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00093073 = 2.2803 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 41 @ 0.00749975 = 0.3075 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3511 @ 0.0009376 = 3.2919 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 50 @ 0.04184159 = 2.0921 BTC [-] {8}
Rulother: oooo
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 261543 | Current Difficulty: 1.4881919980509263E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 262079 | Next Difficulty In: 536 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 16 hours, 19 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 184354428.172 | Estimated Percent Change: 23.87812
jurov: ;;calc 184*1.3
gribble: 239.2
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1296 @ 0.00094023 = 1.2185 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: !t h dealco
assbot: [HAVELOCK:DEALCO] 1D: 0.00749000 / 0.00749976 / 0.00750000 (41 shares, 0.30749000 BTC), 7D: 0.00420003 / 0.00514473 / 0.00969995 (573 shares, 2.94793246 BTC), 30D: 0.00300000 / 0.00938613 / 0.01525000 (10830 shares, 101.65180960 BTC)
tyrion70: Samuel Cole +46.732300149 Phone
tyrion70: err… wrong screen :)
Rulother: I see
heetch: Trading is back on btct
heetch: Go burnside
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 243 @ 0.00094023 = 0.2285 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 43275 @ 0.0001956 = 8.4646 BTC [-] {22}
mircea_popescu: plambert> Are the passwords each hashed individually, or once he breaks the encryption for one he can read all of them? << they theoretically should use varied salts, but was no mention of that so prolly not.
mircea_popescu: even so, having the salt helps but doesn
mircea_popescu: 't make it trivial.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.997 = 8.973 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 25 @ 0.00626996 = 0.1567 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 0.999 = 16.983 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.999 = 5.994 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: In an interesting work-around, Levison complied the next day by turning over the private SSL keys as an 11 page printout in 4-point type. The government, not unreasonably, called the printout “illegible.”
mircea_popescu: ahahaha asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: this guy is some sort of contemporary hero already.
mircea_popescu: we need a levison day.
mircea_popescu: i guess june 28.
asciilifeform: hope he's got the good sense to skip the country (or fellate his pistol) before they bring him in for the crime of closing his shop.
pankkake: if they were any good, they probably could have brute-scanned the paper
pankkake: you can actually recover blurred text easily
asciilifeform: this is rather like that fellow who paid his tax bill with a wheelbarrow of pennies: not a real obstacle.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.026 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: nah. it's the principle of the matter.
mircea_popescu: the people dumping tea in the harbor did not measurably impact the british either.
pankkake: yeah, but they hate disobedience
asciilifeform: i dare say his pulling the plug was more significant re: disobedience
pankkake: yes; it was the second step
mircea_popescu: more effective, yes. more significant, no.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 48 @ 0.42 = 20.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.4001 = 3.2008 BTC [-]
[\]: What was teh asicminer div yesterday?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 4 @ 0.65 = 2.6 BTC [+]
pankkake: 0.08
[\]: wow
ll: .00800337
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: [BTCTC] [BMF] 40 @ 0.015 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0009302 = 5.2091 BTC [-] {4}
ozbot: Why June 28th is Levison day pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 40 @ 0.00511 = 0.2044 BTC [-]
ozbot: Adobe Hacked: Almost 3 Million Accounts Compromised - Slashdot
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 173 @ 0.001188 = 0.2055 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CIPHERMINE-PT] 12 @ 0.014 = 0.168 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: adobe. good riddance.
ozbot: Twitter Files for IPO, Shows $317M in Revenue | Wired Business | Wired.com
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 89 @ 0.00320112 = 0.2849 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: worked for fb...
pankkake: I don't think fb was actually losing money
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20000 @ 0.0002 = 4 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you kidding right ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1300 @ 0.0002 = 0.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.9802 = 4.901 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.9802 = 8.8218 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.98 = 9.8 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda funny how the original order was issued by the buchanan magistrate at 4pm, and before closing time (so within an hour ?) she was issuing forthwiths with handwritten admonitions.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.9665 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: basically they have this set of lackeys in the magistrature that do nothing all day except waiting for the phone to ring or what is it ?
mircea_popescu: it brings to mind the case of the texas magistrate who had resolved motions the day they were filed and ruled within ten days or something,
mircea_popescu: and then ditched any requests to explain whether he had modified his vacation in order to help out teh government.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 0.9631 = 17.3358 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00092803 = 1.5777 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 22565 @ 0.00021659 = 4.8874 BTC [+] {12}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 470 @ 0.0002186 = 0.1027 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.963 = 1.926 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.9625 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.96121999 = 19.2244 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.9611 = 5.7666 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.87817049 = 12.2944 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00092659 = 3.521 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 10 @ 0.035 = 0.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1110 @ 0.00120085 = 1.3329 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 24 @ 0.39167083 = 9.4001 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00025196 = 0.6299 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 465 @ 0.00849991 = 3.9525 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 4530 @ 0.0001861 = 0.843 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.00017001 = 3.4002 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 804 @ 0.00093203 = 0.7494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1000 @ 0.0005 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 210 @ 0.0012 = 0.252 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 245 @ 0.0005 = 0.1225 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.38 = 0.76 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00092915 = 1.9512 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 508 @ 0.000926 = 0.4704 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.0002186 = 0.4372 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 40 @ 0.38 = 15.2 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Subject: SIMONS_SPAM USPS - Your package is available for pickup ( Parcel 492552468475 )
mircea_popescu: dude how retarded can they get already.
mint: whats up with petamine
mircea_popescu: nothing ?
jborkl: Just say no to pedo
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 20 @ 0.01 = 0.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 157 @ 0.001188 = 0.1865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00093191 = 2.0036 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00093104 = 1.35 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 163 @ 0.001188 = 0.1936 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 28 @ 0.006207 = 0.1738 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 100 @ 0.0062 = 0.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 225 @ 0.006109 = 1.3745 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6504 @ 0.00092455 = 6.0133 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 140 @ 0.00610671 = 0.8549 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 574 @ 0.0061 = 3.5014 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.00852697 = 0.7163 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 110 @ 0.00118927 = 0.1308 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 157 @ 0.00118031 = 0.1853 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: So who’s running the Courts circus ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: i muchly advised anyone interesting in mattering in bitcoin to read that whole thing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 600 @ 0.0005 = 0.3 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: let';s try again with better grammar.
mircea_popescu: i muchly advise anyone interested in mattering in bitcoin to read that whole thing.
VanCleef: i'm selling lube if anyone neeeds any for jail
asciilifeform: VanCleef: make sure to also offer cyanide, for the Aaron Schwartz school of thought.
asciilifeform: VanCleef: and 'arse safes' to secrete said cyanide in, a la Goering.
asciilifeform: fun fact: you can see Herr Goering's actual arse safe in the 'spy museum' in Wash., DC.
dub: fuck mattering, were just here to get rich from mining ponzis
dub: and re: Schwartz, go go gadget darwin
asciilifeform: dub: personally, I'd prefer the 'magic' tooth from Dune.
mircea_popescu: dub that's a point.
mircea_popescu: just building the crumb of trails for future mpoe-pr bitchslappings.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.91285714 = 6.39 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: provided of course some retard venue will still exist in the future...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2180 @ 0.00092365 = 2.0136 BTC [-] {2}
dub: how sails the forum lulzboat?
dub: I have no time for drama these days :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 770 @ 0.00092301 = 0.7107 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: still down afaik
dub: has the patented intersango 'we'll pay you to return our data' method brought a result
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 165 @ 0.00117077 = 0.1932 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aside from historical/nostalgic concerns, what would be the purpose of having the list of judges ?
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure it will come out that the judges that play ball have about an order of magnitude better chances to progress.
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5000 @ 0.0002 = 1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: whereas women that suck cock have a less than twice as better chances to progress.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems like a foregone conclusion.
mircea_popescu: documentation is documentation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think of Soviet judges.
mircea_popescu: i am certainly more interested in judges being raped by the usg than in secretaries being raped by their bosses.
mircea_popescu: so correspondingly more resources should be directed to fight the former than the later, by a significant margin.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not sure about how writing a list of modern-day Soviet (or otherwise) judges fights anything...
asciilifeform: picture a list of Mexican policemen who forgo bribes. so what.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 252 @ 0.00116102 = 0.2926 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: so you have the list.
mircea_popescu: society, at least the livable sort, is built from causes not towards effects.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00996665 = 0.299 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.9613 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it matters not one whit what "benefit" your correct actions yield.
mircea_popescu: at any rate, as far as i know the average grad student takes a few months to gather 25 btc in living grants/we, and if literate should be able to complete the task in that time.
asciilifeform: I'm thinking also about the side-effects. Imagine printing a list of foot-dragging German judges in the '30s.
VanCleef: the pirce is now at 133.7
mircea_popescu: don't for a second imagine the bad boys don't keep that list.
mircea_popescu: they have the time and inclination to compile tax harassment programmes for charities for chrissakes.
mircea_popescu: this is merely a minute attempt to remedy an information imbalance.
asciilifeform: Don't get me wrong, I'd love to read the result
mircea_popescu: i'd love to see whether the numerous and very self-important "law blogs" get it or not and how long it takes them to.
asciilifeform: these fellows will probably end up on some dour memorial plaque somewhere, maybe glued to the wall where the firing squad stood
mircea_popescu: nobody's shooting any judges.
asciilifeform: I was thinking of the 'good ones', if that wasn't clear
asciilifeform: I'm rather pessimistic about their prospects in the far future, particularly the younger ones
asciilifeform: where did Stalin put uncooperative judges?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.9613 = 2.8839 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: I don't expect to grow old myself, and I'm not even remotely a judge. Dissenting or otherwise.
mircea_popescu: listen, you take too much for granted.
mircea_popescu: stalin was a man after my own heart. you can not find someone half stalin in the entire us today.
asciilifeform: plenty of fellows with the inclinations, sans the gifts.
mircea_popescu: yeah well...
mircea_popescu: you know what, in russia cca 1930 there were a bunch of fuckwits with round glasses and a tufty chin beard.
mircea_popescu: they didn't magically become trotsky.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 573 @ 0.00115343 = 0.6609 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you remember Roland Freisler? perhaps he was the first truly modern judge.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the happy brigade has uncovered a bunch of negative reviews. seems this hilton guy is really very pro govt ?
Vexual: uncooperative lawyers dont become judges
mircea_popescu: i don't know what exactly is modern about him ? the rolls are full since at least the 1300s with the same type.
mircea_popescu: court-ier.
mircea_popescu: Vexual the strange thing is that in civil systems it's precisely the uncooperative lawyers that tend to become judges.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: point. Bernard Gui & friends.
mircea_popescu: basically the kids out of law school split in three groups : those who deal well with people, and they end up lawyers. those who have daddy issues, and they become das.
mircea_popescu: finally those with neither quality. they end up judges.
asciilifeform: I'd like to point out that we do not yet know how the Levison story ends.
mircea_popescu: personally, i don't care how it ends.
mircea_popescu: the man sent the 4 point 11 pages key.
Vexual: at least we know paper wallets are safe
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.02 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if sufficiently small :D
asciilifeform: you know, if the key is genuine (no bits diddled) the inquisitor got much of what he wanted. safe to assume that every packet lavabit shat or ate in its entire life was recorded.
asciilifeform: Levison quoted a rather high cost (several $k) for changing his SSL certs, so presumably he did not do it often.
mircea_popescu: that's the other thing. what sort of braindamaged retard actually expects ssl to protect his email.
mircea_popescu: well, other than snowden
asciilifeform: that's a whole separate question
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00092288 = 1.938 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 11631 @ 0.0002 = 2.3262 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: there's also the issue of people who are literate enough to have some idea of what real security is, but not literate enough to practice it.
asciilifeform: these just sit catatonically and don't do much of anything, i imagine
asciilifeform: so we're left with the snowdens and ulbrichts (who become public fools) and the rest (who are invisible.)
mircea_popescu: i still don't quite grasp this part.
asciilifeform: think 'groklaw'
mircea_popescu: so bradley manning, a total emo fuckwit, somehow managed to be a big honcho in us signals.
mircea_popescu: but hey, shit happens, right ? his co was retarded.
asciilifeform: manning was a grunt
asciilifeform: with some janitorial keys
mircea_popescu: dude, he had the stuff ? he was a big honcho.
mircea_popescu: grunts do not get access to petabytes of crap
asciilifeform: in the u.s., the way it works is that there's a 'secret' (vs. 'top', etc.) intranet
mircea_popescu: moving on : snowden defects.
mircea_popescu: apparently snowden does not know how to secure communications.
mircea_popescu: yet he has enough data to bury another petreus.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is going on over there, those people been turned to monkeys or something ?
asciilifeform: it is possible that he did know. but was forced to deal with people who don't
mircea_popescu: heh. nobody's forced.
asciilifeform: there is some record that he tried to persuade the journalists to use gpg
mircea_popescu: anyway, if this had happened in 1973 the russians would have finished all the vodka and died of split sides.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, srsly. you're a field agent and you "try to" persuade ?
mircea_popescu: in what parallel universe is this going on.
asciilifeform: point. betcha the Brits finished all the Lagavulin when Mitrokhin split with his treasure chest.
Vexual: we wouldn't have heard about it in 73
mircea_popescu: Vexual depends on your definition of we.
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Vexual: the internet et all
mircea_popescu: well obviously, as it diodn't exist in 73.
Vexual: no
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: have you considered the 'mr. s. is a disinfo agent' hypothesis?
asciilifeform: he needn't be aware of the fact, either
mircea_popescu: certainly.
asciilifeform: easy to set things up so some fool walks off with 'everything he wants'
mircea_popescu: but mind you, my discussion is purely procedural.
mircea_popescu: whether he in fact is a defector or a mole, intentional or not,
mircea_popescu: the story still goes the way describe it.
mircea_popescu: in short, whether the gas station theft was genuine or staged,
mircea_popescu: the guy still can't drive.
asciilifeform: AFAIK, the only reason i have to consider the 'disinfo' hypothesis is the actual effects of the circus
mircea_popescu: what i want to know is why the us signals corps is made out of monkeys!
mircea_popescu: it's a disgrace, they'll get cut out of nato meetings at this rate
mircea_popescu: the way the french were in the 70s.
asciilifeform: the lusers driven off lavabit likely won't be using gpg, they'll be dropping plaintext (or going home and crying.)
asciilifeform: cui bono
mircea_popescu: cui bono what ?
asciilifeform: people distrusting crypto (of snake oil and genuine varieties, both)
asciilifeform: left and right
asciilifeform: who wins
mircea_popescu: stupidity and laziness need no ulterior motive.
Vexual: its a big job
mircea_popescu: this is like inquiring who wins out of the roman notion that blowjobs cause cavities.
asciilifeform: if you were the fuhrer of NSA, and your minions have not yet found a pill against rsa/etc., what would you do?
asciilifeform: there's more than one way to steer people away from modern crypto
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you're probably right that this is a crackpot hypothesis, it presumes competence where, as far as we know, none is left
mircea_popescu: if i were the fuhrer of the nsa i would be putting backdoors in every single code or cypher used by the usg
mircea_popescu: and leak all the keys
mircea_popescu: all the time.
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mircea_popescu: which perhaps explains why there is no competence left in there.
mircea_popescu: they probably heard the exact same thing a thousand times so far.
asciilifeform: btw I find it interesting that the names, brief histories, and approximate purposes of the 'Suite A' ciphers (nsa proprietary) used to be on wikipedia
asciilifeform: and not one (save the ill-fated Skipjack) has ever seen the light of day
mircea_popescu: yeah they got a letter of cachet
mircea_popescu: got really excited about it all at the top cockless geek level.
asciilifeform: funny part is that every 'spam wikipedia' (clone) still has them
asciilifeform: the names/abstracts, that is, nobody save the owners have seen the algos
mircea_popescu: actually here's a great idea to troll wikipedia
mircea_popescu: recreate those articles lol
asciilifeform: the idiot wiki-printers still have this crap
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mircea_popescu: "It cannot be that a search warrant is "general" merely because it gives the government a tool that,
mircea_popescu: if abused Contrrary to law, could constitute a general search."
mircea_popescu: dude this is certainly a novel argument.
asciilifeform: I do wonder why anybody bothered with the 'lettre du cachet', the wiki crap was the equivalent of a winamp playlist
mircea_popescu: according to this nutjob a search is not general if it is objectively general as long as there's some sort of theoretical limitation on the generality.
asciilifeform: well yeah, he used the 'apartment house' analogy
mircea_popescu: for instance a warrant for the search of all cars in new york "to see if there's anything fishi going on" is not general as long as there;s a dept of transportation rule against people being assholes on the road.
mircea_popescu: except they're asking for copies to the front door keys, not for the front door t obe unlocked.
mircea_popescu: such despicable tactics for srsly.
asciilifeform: it reflects the actual policy of the actual rulers. no surprises here.
Vexual: and its not illegal to unlcok the door if you have the key?
mircea_popescu: dependso n how you got the key.
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