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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00945499 = 0.416 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00999799 = 0.5599 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 1.08438332 = 19.5189 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 1.13 = 2.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00087694 = 2.9816 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 80 @ 0.36000002 = 28.8 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 740 @ 0.000254 = 0.188 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 199 @ 0.001255 = 0.2497 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2000 @ 0.00126884 = 2.5377 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [COG.F2] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5425 @ 0.00087694 = 4.7574 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.045 = 0.27 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 1.075 = 16.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 16 @ 1.099 = 17.584 BTC [+]
ozbot: The Institute for Justice
mircea_popescu: "Can the government use civil forfeiture to take your money when you have done nothing wrong—and then pocket the proceeds? The IRS thinks so."
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 29 @ 0.13990689 = 4.0573 BTC [-] {5}
pankkake: this institude for justice seems to do pretty cool stuff
pankkake: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 261801 | Current Difficulty: 1.4881919980509263E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 262079 | Next Difficulty In: 278 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 14 hours, 7 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 185413506.454 | Estimated Percent Change: 24.58978
kakobrekla: shouldnt you be sleeping
pankkake: are you the nsa or what? :)
pankkake: hehe
pankkake: well, headaches :/
kakobrekla: no remedies for that?
pankkake: many doctors seen, and for now, nothing concrete
pankkake: hence my time spent insulting people on forums
pankkake: instead of being productive
kakobrekla: i do that too, but without the headache
kakobrekla: im cycling again
kakobrekla: each day im up a bit longer
kakobrekla: not that id want to.
pankkake: oh, I did try the 28 hour day for a while
pankkake: it was good the first weeks
kakobrekla: i blame the lack of buttsecks
pankkake: but even my minimal social life was affected
pankkake: always blame the lack of buttsex
kakobrekla: social life?
kakobrekla: ;;google define:social life
gribble: Social Life Magazine: <http://sociallifemagazine.com/>; Social Life | Psychology Today: <http://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/social-life>; Social life - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_life>
pankkake: I mean you have to think if you're going to be sleeping at some hour
pankkake: it's not like ok I can be there that day
pankkake: it's also very weird when you get out and the sun isn't where it should be
kakobrekla: lucky for me i hate people enough so i dont miss the socialization
kakobrekla: oh im used to that
kakobrekla: getting up at sundown
pankkake: well, I thought I was - but I gave up after a month I think
kakobrekla: i have been doing this for years
kakobrekla: dunno what the long term effect is
kakobrekla: death if nothing else
kakobrekla: whats funny there
pankkake: I think doing it like 26h week (and cycle over 2 weeks) would be idle
pankkake: 26h day*
mircea_popescu: pankkake have you tried the old ice water remedy ?
pankkake: ideal*
kakobrekla: meh i cant plan my sleep
pankkake: 28h was a bit tiring a times
kakobrekla: except the lack of it
pankkake: I wanted to go to sleep but forced me no to
kakobrekla: i have done 72hrs couple of times
pankkake: when I was younger, I did too
kakobrekla: it gets fun after 48 or so
pankkake: usually masturbating
kakobrekla: i really mean fun
kakobrekla: everything gets hilarious
pankkake: yeah i get "drunk"
kakobrekla: almost
ozbot: Why you need Bitcoin, simply put. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
kakobrekla: where are the tits
mircea_popescu: there shall be no further tits
kakobrekla: whats this, concentration camp?
mircea_popescu: i used to buy them on the silk road. now that the feds have disrupted silkroad, my supply of tits is gone.
pankkake: let's create titcoin. has 42 million titcoins, and you can only spend them by two
mircea_popescu: must press tits against screen to sign tx
kakobrekla: make that a titocoin and maybe someone will go for it
pankkake: hm, you can probably have a tit fingerprint and convert it to a private key
kakobrekla: but that goes for anything
kakobrekla: if diablo were here hed say "peniscoin!"
pankkake: I still have the best altcoin idea ever, the bernankoin
pankkake: rename mining to printing
pankkake: and block reward = difficulty
kakobrekla: no must be PoS
kakobrekla: instead of pow
kakobrekla: and print yourself a billion
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.0008771 = 6.4028 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: I'm already too lazy to actually create it, so understanding the PoS dynamics… probably not :p
kakobrekla: what you dont need to do anything
kakobrekla: just follow the 'make your own bitcoin fork' manual
kakobrekla: and make a logo
pankkake: yeah, I think I bookmarked it for the occasion
pankkake: there's also some Krugman pics I could use
pankkake: egotistical giraffe, egostistical goat
ozbot: Attacking Tor: how the NSA targets users' online anonymity | World news | theguardian.com
mircea_popescu: dexX7 it's really very badly written, nonsensical goop.
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine schneider actually penned that. he must have sent sometyhing that got "edited for clarity"
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 7 @ 0.5 = 3.5 BTC [-]
dexX7: are you saying "the content is inconsistent" or "the presentation is just bad"?
mircea_popescu: i am saying that numerous concepts are employed in a way which belies unfamiliarity with the field, and the general structuring of the narrative is such that you suspect the author does not have a birds eye view of the topic.
mircea_popescu: neither of those goes with the alleged author, unless he was very very drunk at the time.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i guess now i have to go into details as otherwise this is all useless nonsense. brb.
dexX7: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "hmm.. got to go now, but if you actually came back with a more detailed answer - i'll read it later!"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.099 = 5.495 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 1.13999999 = 5.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 72 @ 0.009998 = 0.7199 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [COG.F2] 1 @ 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 568 @ 0.00120006 = 0.6816 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 495 @ 0.00025002 = 0.1238 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 261816 | Current Difficulty: 1.4881919980509263E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 262079 | Next Difficulty In: 263 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 9 hours, 45 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 185935645.524 | Estimated Percent Change: 24.94063
bitesak: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 135.50001, Best ask: 136.09991, Bid-ask spread: 0.59990, Last trade: 135.50001, 24 hour volume: 13773.94364398, 24 hour low: 131.82491, 24 hour high: 139.80000, 24 hour vwap: 136.33476
bitesak: ;;avg
gribble: Error: "avg" is not a valid command.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
VanCleef: is adobe a scam?
mircea_popescu: it's just evil.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00087248 = 3.2718 BTC [-]
ozbot: Google Trends
b0n1: oh yes! :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.021 = 2.042 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 522 @ 0.0002135 = 0.1114 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2415 @ 0.00024997 = 0.6037 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.021 = 2.042 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.0499 = 0.1497 BTC [+]
phish: .d
ozbot: 148819199.80509 | Next Diff in 231 blocks | Estimated Change: 25.6612% in 1d 4h 35m 46s
mircea_popescu: "Alexander further detailed that the metadata is collected under Executive Order 12333 from 2009."
mircea_popescu: fuckwit. 12333 was signed in like the 80s
mircea_popescu: we're in the mid 13k's by now.
mod6: ya 12333 would have been during reagan
mircea_popescu: something like that yeah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
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mircea_popescu: so basically the forum has moved to reddit ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 457 @ 0.00139973 = 0.6397 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00026399 = 0.264 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00026399 = 0.264 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 202 @ 0.00999857 = 2.0197 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 11 @ 0.01 = 0.11 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1090 @ 0.000249 = 0.2714 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.01 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.07 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 211 @ 0.00289526 = 0.6109 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 1.09919998 = 27.48 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 25 @ 0.048 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.04232142 = 0.2962 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 1.15253846 = 14.983 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 827 @ 0.0104562 = 8.6473 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1250 @ 0.01074999 = 13.4375 BTC [+]
mike_c: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 130.00
ozbot: Feds Try to Close the OCEAN Because of Shutdown
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 23 @ 0.00515 = 0.1185 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: It's sad US citizens are too lazy to start militias and start chaos.
rulother-tab-: +1
mircea_popescu: i was thinking, the correct thing to do for a state governor is to simply pass a bill ordering all federal employees arested
mircea_popescu: take them to a camp somewherwe
mircea_popescu: and that's that.
mircea_popescu: for instance the arizona people could do it, after the entire "close grand canion" bs.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 211 @ 0.00285007 = 0.6014 BTC [-] {3}
Kleeck__: "It is on par with the government's ham-fisted attempts to close the DC WWII Memorial, an open-air public monument that is normally accessible 24 hours a day. By accessible I mean, you walk up to it. When you have finished reflecting, you then walk away from it. "
Kleeck__: lol
mircea_popescu: basically obama's horde is trying to show to congress that they can do absolutely anything and the sheeple will just take it.
mircea_popescu: that's the message, "you are alone".
mircea_popescu: "we can grab any power we want. fuck you."
Duffer1: that makes no sense
Duffer1: he didn't shut down anything, congress did
mircea_popescu: you're very confused.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : nosuchlabs.com
mircea_popescu: all that's still needed is a logo and away we go!!1eleven
Kleeck__: Interesting.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 1.13774999 = 2.2755 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: NSA report on the Tor encrypted network - The Washington Post
asciilifeform: looks like at least one spook knows 'LaTex'
mircea_popescu: apps ? lol
thestringpuller: what does nsa even do?
thestringpuller: pretend to be the nsa?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: burns $$$$
asciilifeform: on a big far pyre
thestringpuller: sign me up!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller WHEREAS, the individuals named have recently launched and intend to operate for the foreseeable future an unregistered corporation by the name "No Such lAbs" (NSA) dedicated to the production and marketing of a series of strong, fully integrated cryptography products, ensuring customers absolute immunity from third party attempts to access their data or communications ;
mircea_popescu: other than that, it ipos
ozbot: Not Even the NSA Can Crack the State Dept's Favorite Anonymous Network | The Cable
mircea_popescu: look at that shit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think he was thinking about the other one
mircea_popescu: basically every contact in the "press" is being herded to defend this holy grail of "tor is actually safe"
asciilifeform: to be fair, there is a long tradition here in the usa of first arming some fellows and then sending armies to bump them off
asciilifeform: so it is even possible that one set of bureaucrats commissioned TOR and another, 'anti-' TOR
mircea_popescu: it's possible, but not likely. what happened is that one set of bureaucrats made tor at great expense, and another set used it in a disaster-of-commons way
mircea_popescu: now the former are trying to fix their broken china.
asciilifeform: sort of like the Soviet scenario of KGB vs GRU, or Hitler's 'two in a box' management style of abwehr vs gestapo.
mircea_popescu: sort of like the bureaucratic scenario.
mircea_popescu: this is why big governments can't have nice things, irrespective of what uyou might have heard.
asciilifeform: they occasionally pull off nice things, but solely by crowning a viceroy (e.g. Korolev) who has absolute grasp over some fiefdom.
mircea_popescu: so then "by becoming small government"
mircea_popescu: why yes, yes they do. that's the fucking argument.
ozbot: Talk by Roger Dingledine of Torproject.org at the NSA - The Washington Post
asciilifeform: "(U) 5. Oppressed Alice, who lives in a repressive country (no or limited free speech) and wants to talk about things contrary to her governments positions. The countries he used as examples were France, Germany (prohibitions on fascist writings?) and the US (not sure what he meant here?)."
mircea_popescu: dingledine ?
mircea_popescu: seriously ?
mircea_popescu: he needs to meet my friend Dinah.
thestringpuller: in other news, mircea_popescu can officially get medical marijuana
mircea_popescu: wait wut ?
thestringpuller: wow that link is awful
mircea_popescu: i don't know pot ever wasn't legal.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, for everyone's lolfactor : ion tiriac is a rich romanian banker guy. his son is a retard.
mircea_popescu: coupla years back he was caught with ~3kgs of uncut cocaine in his car, and had his license suspended
mircea_popescu: i guess it's a good thing he didn't try to sell it on silkroad.
mircea_popescu: it'd have taken all of six months and landed him in jail for 800 years on account of it being bought by a dozen different undercover agents working for five or six different agencies.
thestringpuller: is that the reporter?
thestringpuller: ion tiriac?
thestringpuller: where did ion tiriac come up then?
mircea_popescu: well, it's a little anecdote i just recounted.
asciilifeform: pg. 16: "In our time in the lab, we found that running an nmap on a node that isoffering a hidden service will turn up the port that the hidden service is using to deal with incoming connections. It can then be directly connected to, outside of Tor."
asciilifeform: these fellows ever heard of iptables?
mircea_popescu: i don't think this problem is avoidable
asciilifeform: if you configure the damn thing right, the only external port is TOR's standard one
asciilifeform: every 'onion' luser knows this
asciilifeform: except, apparently, the monkey
mircea_popescu: jesuis check this shit out
mircea_popescu: that loads up a document G:/shared/azdwebpage/blabla
mircea_popescu: basically, a box running windows 95 ?
mircea_popescu: holy shit, it's a .wpd
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what i meant was, as long as you have a port open, it's open for nmap too.
mircea_popescu: in retrospect is not what you meant.
asciilifeform: even the lowest luser knows, i imagine, that you set up the service (e.g. http) on a local port, and expose only the tor port.
asciilifeform: the fellow running the port scan will see that the machine runs tor, and that's it
asciilifeform: this isn't exactly worthless info by itself, though
asciilifeform: not that many people have tor running on a hosted box
asciilifeform: inquisitor scans the whole site, then politely asks for snapshots of the dirty disks...
thestringpuller: "I'm mircea_popescu, bitch!" lolol
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 41 @ 0.45378048 = 18.605 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: > thermos
mircea_popescu: i can't believe the girl's thing caught.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00084566 = 1.1839 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: gotta love how the spooks insist on calling keys 'cryptovariables,' so you can almost tell where the monkey plagiarized open source docs and where he actually spewed his own text
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 1.13999999 = 2.28 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, has anyone ever looked into ubuntu packaging ?
mircea_popescu: ubuntu-standard depends on... wget.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 152 @ 0.00126659 = 0.1925 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: what of it
pankkake: to download the .debs, you need a downloader
mircea_popescu: sure. but there's no need to make that a dependency.
mircea_popescu: it will run just fine w/o wget, and w/o avahi, and without jesus fucking christ.
mircea_popescu: ubuntu is windows.
pankkake: even other distros do require wget
pankkake: ubuntu-standard is windows, certainly, but wget isn't a good example
mircea_popescu: no, imo ity's the best example.
asciilifeform: never seen a linux box (save cut-down ones i prepared for various purposes) w/out wget or curl on it.
mircea_popescu: there is no sane reason to require wget for -standard.
mircea_popescu: you don't have wget, you can't use internet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still not a reason to require it.
asciilifeform: i think the updater on various 'friendly' package systems demands wget/curl/the like
asciilifeform: for fetching whatever.
mircea_popescu: that's another thing
mircea_popescu: there's no reason for -standard to depend on the updater being present.
mircea_popescu: people go fucking crazy over "having a car requires you having insurance"
asciilifeform: wait till you see how many packages pull in xorg for no particular reason.
mircea_popescu: then go around putting retarded dependencies in software.
mircea_popescu: the ridiculous thing is, they have the concept of "recommended". not like it's either depend or nothing.
thestringpuller: wget is so laaaame though
thestringpuller: it can't grok links at all
thestringpuller: cURL is so much better
thestringpuller: also the ubuntu updater is based on aptitude no? why not just base something on debian instead of ubuntu?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 9 @ 0.45 = 4.05 BTC [-]
Duffer1: thestringpuller how's cookies going?
ozbot: Remains of Doma: Photo
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 25000 @ 0.00024884 = 6.221 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3300 @ 0.00024939 = 0.823 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 50 @ 0.45 = 22.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 1.13999999 = 2.28 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 33 @ 0.451 = 14.883 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 10 @ 0.45 = 4.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.0401 = 0.1604 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.04001 = 0.2401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 500 @ 0.000245 = 0.1225 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.07605 = 0.1521 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.04001 = 0.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.03986666 = 0.598 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.03726 = 0.1118 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.086 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.035 = 0.525 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 95 @ 0.01089999 = 1.0355 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.011 = 0.374 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 850 @ 0.00120354 = 1.023 BTC [-] {6}
ozbot: In the ‘ho’-tel biz: Lauren Silverman’s husband owns Panama ‘prostitute’ palace | New York
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 26 @ 0.006212 = 0.1615 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.035 = 0.105 BTC [-]
ozbot: We are being watched... : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: two snatches in a bar. one says to the other
mircea_popescu: hey... we're being watched.
pankkake: redditors really want to name theymos, thermos
pankkake: I'm ok with that
mircea_popescu: redditors really want to matter.
pankkake: offtopic
mircea_popescu: "Who else knows about your subversive projects?" herp.
pankkake: haha
mircea_popescu: in its 10 year history, nothing subversive came out of reddit.
mircea_popescu: in the remainder 5ish years of lifetime it still has, nothing subversive will come out of it.
pankkake: oh I agree with almost much of the hate about reddit
pankkake: it's 10yo already?
mircea_popescu: i think so. early 2000ish, wasn;'t it ?
mircea_popescu: spent their time being a shitty network back when everyone used stumbleupon and digg,
pankkake: I used it mostly in its first years, and I was slowly disgusted by it. despicable people who want to believe they're nice (and intelligent, and whatever)
mircea_popescu: then digg sold out and went apeshit
mircea_popescu: so now the contingent of highschoolers are telling each other stories about how cool they are on reddit.
pankkake: there is a saying, redditors are stupid people who try to appear intelligent, while 4channers are intelligent people who try to appear stupid (expect it's probably better said)
mircea_popescu: well to their credit the 4chaners succeed a lot better than the redditards.
pankkake: well, reddit is famous for stealing content. many top posts "my daughter made this" etc. revealed to be fake
pankkake: that's when you realize karma, user moderation is shit
mircea_popescu: usg generally is a hopeless endeavour.
mircea_popescu: turns out there's not an army of competent and dedicated people just waiting for the chance to make nice things for free.
jurov: so what's new about nsa labs except some lame bet?
mircea_popescu: who knew, seriously. and how racist, chauvinist and everything that is.
mircea_popescu: jurov not much.
pankkake: that certainly is a lame bet
jurov: and website that redirects to http://mpex.co/index.php?mpsic=S.NSA
mircea_popescu: well, domain.
thestringpuller: you must have had a bad experience with reddit mircea_popescu
jurov: good.. and eulora does have some site?
mircea_popescu: jurov nope.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller notrly.
jurov: i'd like to try newest eulora client, it's somewhere?
mircea_popescu: well yeah, same place
ozbot: Eulora August update pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pankkake: so I tried to make an altcoin (the bernankoin), but I'm stuck. not having bitcointalk doesn't help either
kakobrekla: well,
kakobrekla: do you have a logo?
mircea_popescu: or did you mean the precompiled ?
pankkake: no, that must be why it doesn't work!
pankkake: actually I'm stuck at the genesis block, or something like that (but I fixed the problem that is on the altcoin howto, not the one I have now)
jurov: yes... just wanted to explore around
pankkake: .bz ?
kakobrekla: biznis
mircea_popescu: server may be down if they're dicking with it tho, so might have to retry later.
pankkake: no that's .biz
kakobrekla: no thats business
pankkake: belize. the country of bitcoin scams
mircea_popescu: anyway, i think we have a s.nsa logo
mircea_popescu: anyone here a logo artist ?
kakobrekla: hire that solar mining company guy
kakobrekla: he does wonders
jurov: i can add cherries and trucks and rainbows
mircea_popescu: can't detect if serious
mircea_popescu: or ima end up with angry guy face all over my logo
jurov: im srs!!!
kakobrekla: am i ever?
pankkake: I've done crappy logos with inkscape
pankkake: or even gimp
kakobrekla: with gimp you can logo like a chimp!
pankkake: oh, the american NSA logo is hard. I wanted to try a parodyw
mircea_popescu: i was thinking eagle-holding-cox
mircea_popescu: but meh.
pankkake: what I would see is NSA, with the A being a flask
pankkake: because labs
pankkake: that's not very original
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema
gribble: Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/>; Trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilemma>; Münchhausen trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchhausen_trilemma>
mircea_popescu: suck it wikipedia.
thestringpuller: that's cause you spelled trilemma differently
thestringpuller: ;;google trilemma
gribble: Trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilemma>; Lewis's trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis's_trilemma>; Münchhausen trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchhausen_trilemma>
mircea_popescu: who cares about trilemma
kakobrekla: [hover over for text to show]
mircea_popescu: lol how does one send .39 btc and an email to addy ?
kakobrekla: magick
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 650 @ 0.00104684 = 0.6804 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: but respect for captcha solving
kakobrekla: looks like a car bashed in the wall
mircea_popescu: did you run out of pixels or what happened to that a ?
thestringpuller: perfect!
kakobrekla: jurov can you add the rainbows to this?
pankkake: just did it in one go
pankkake: and yeah lazyness
kakobrekla: also can i ipo nasa then?!
mircea_popescu: wha'd tha be
kakobrekla: dunno
kakobrekla: running a btc node on the moon?
pankkake: fuck, I did it in in insckape, but pressing esc erased my whole thing
kakobrekla: now do ctrl+z
mircea_popescu: stop teaching him thingas
jurov: kakobrekla: ^^
mircea_popescu: holy shit my temporal lobe fell off
pankkake: no, that's not how it works; esc while I was drawing the unfinished path
pankkake: http://i.imgur.com/GM0b35K.png with unintentional swastika
pankkake: jurov: lol, I don't even know how to do that
mircea_popescu: that's like the most illegible logo in the history of grafitti.
mircea_popescu: why not just write the letters on top of each other and bne done with it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.14 BTC [+]
ozbot: Sassys Teddys 3 font by Dingfontbats - FontSpace
pankkake: that's even for bizness than trilema's comic sans
pankkake: more*
mircea_popescu: trilema has a comic font ?
jurov: but you can't put them on top of each other
kakobrekla: and a message from our sponsor hypnotoad: buy stock.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.15 BTC [+]
dexX7: mircea_popescu: thanks, great post.
dexX7: not so much information, but nice to read, to continue with my first statement ;)
dexX7: >_<
dexX7: so why are the forums still down? i mean, 90 % of all "job offers" are "i'm a dev etc." posts. is the hole crew so uberleet?
pankkake: looking for how they got hacked so it doesn't happen again?
Kleeck__: Last I read Theymos said they were rebuilding the server and reinstalling the software stack.
dexX7: pankkake: yes, that's the goal. there is a 50 btc bounty for the one who can reconstruct the hack.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 26 @ 0.45 = 11.7 BTC [-]
dexX7: how wrong this is..
dexX7: actually they do want to liquidate the coins
dexX7: and the best for the community would be to just "lose" them
asciilifeform: let's say they burn DPR's computer on a pyre in the public square. This would in principle accomplish the same thing.
dexX7: i'm not that interested that stupid fbi guys unload 28k in a market order =D
asciilifeform: like firing gold into the sun. anyone who holds the metal would be slightly richer.
dexX7: yes
dexX7: I support the idea that the FBI should set up a Bitcoin faucet to give these back to the community slowly. << well okay, that's a cute idea
pankkake: someone is ddosing a lot of pools
pankkake: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 261954 | Current Difficulty: 1.4881919980509263E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 262079 | Next Difficulty In: 125 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 13 hours, 45 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 188534237.595 | Estimated Percent Change: 26.68677
ThickAsThieves: I support the idea of punishing bitcoiners that assume every situation would be better decided by themselves even though they have no actual authority over or experience in anything
dexX7: what was the "better" pool overview website again?
dexX7: >_<
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: but you can't do anything about it (except create a change.org thing?)
ThickAsThieves: i can put them on ignore
ThickAsThieves: but Theymos took that away
dexX7: http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/chart.php << that's the one i was looking for
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 1.16076923 = 15.09 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: i mean, Thermos
dexX7: hehe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 111 @ 0.0115 = 1.2765 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol tjhat's happening.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you don't understand the free market man.
mircea_popescu: the free market of ideas.
ThickAsThieves: opinions are like assholes, some should be explored, most are just shitty
pankkake: nice
mircea_popescu: lmao that;s some urlizing right there
pankkake: too bony
ThickAsThieves: if i were the fbi and saw that change.org crap i'd basically be devising the way to cause the most tears
ChaangNoi: she has a long neck
ChaangNoi: change.org crap? im out of the loop
ThickAsThieves: reddites telling fbi to give SR btc to the 'community'
mircea_popescu: he's never coming out either way.
ChaangNoi: thank dex
pankkake: how the fuck is that news
ChaangNoi: hmm if the fbi kept the btc, the rest of the btc would be worth more...
ThickAsThieves: i guess that makes all of youtube news
ChaangNoi: fbi giving the funds to the bitcoinfoundation or whatdver would not look good imo
ThickAsThieves: maybe they should send it to the btc address with the most coins
pankkake: but why would they give it? when they seize usds, they don't give it to the usd community
pankkake: it makes zero sense
pankkake: brain not found
asciilifeform: the pyre. and sell tickets. better ROI.
mircea_popescu: pankkake you don't understand reddit. ask it anything, it'll say the same thing : "i want sum gimme"
ChaangNoi: that seems like it will go no where
Diablo-D3: [07:15:04] <pankkake> but why would they give it? when they seize usds, they don't give it to the usd community
Diablo-D3: actually they do
Diablo-D3: the fbi consumes siezed USD as part of their budget
Diablo-D3: thus allowing the fbi to do more on their congressional budget
Diablo-D3: thus giving back to america
pankkake: lulz
Diablo-D3: fucked up isnt it
jurov: good. let's go ask reddit to sign a petition for fbi to invest it into mpoe bonds
pankkake: no, they would ask to bail out labcoin
ThickAsThieves: can we insist they spend it on hookers and blow?
mircea_popescu: they could pay to blow hookers...
blastbob1: we can put them into more tor open source development
blastbob1: they would like that
ThickAsThieves: yeah have them donate it to Tor
mircea_popescu: blastbob1 blasts right in lol
mircea_popescu: i third the motion.
ThickAsThieves: a tor detector detector
pankkake: the FBI would never do something as productive as hookers and blow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 5045 @ 0.00021932 = 1.1065 BTC [+] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 4105 @ 0.00022997 = 0.944 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: maybe they could make a tor tor
mircea_popescu: so like, everyone's on tor right ?
mircea_popescu: so you can have within tor this plaintext protocol which nobody can identify
mircea_popescu: so you know that someone on tor isn't using tor
mircea_popescu: but you can't find out who
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 28 @ 0.45 = 12.6 BTC [-]
dexX7: so let's say you cloak and sign traffic with gpg or something like that.. like you do for order transmission. that's what ssl does, right?
mircea_popescu: that's what ssl pretends to do.
dexX7: yes, because it's via a 3rd party
dexX7: right?
mircea_popescu: not exactly and not just. think about it : gpg requires that i have your public key to send you stuff
mircea_popescu: and you have mine to reply.
mircea_popescu: ssl only requires you have the server's public key. it's thus half a protocol.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, using pgp-style tools you have a dedicated signature identification step. you somehow acquire my signature. such as, from me.
dexX7: ah i see
mircea_popescu: in ssl, you acquire it on the basis that a third party says its ok, much like the dns system.
mircea_popescu: the dns system is notoriously insecure, as proven by all the cache poisoning attacks etc.
mircea_popescu: recently google had its domains hijacked and there was jack shit it could do. for like days.
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 19275 @ 0.00021543 = 4.1524 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: in opposition to this, something like scp over keybased ssh would be secure, in the sense you can't read messages.
mircea_popescu: it would still not be anyonymous, which is in general a much harder problem than cryptography. which is why bitcoin is secure but not anonymous, and why tor fails to deliver on anonymity etc.
dexX7: thanks
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1500 @ 0.0002151 = 0.3227 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 41859 @ 0.0002085 = 8.7276 BTC [-] {18}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 120741 @ 0.0002 = 24.1482 BTC [-] {6}
dexX7: howard wang, the former dev of labcoin has spoken ... http://pastebin.com/rQfbUA8d
pankkake: raise 7500 BTC, hire random dude on oDesk
BigBitz: LOL
BigBitz: yeah.
BigBitz: insane
dexX7: read further
dexX7: it's even worse
pankkake: they don't pay the guy :o
mircea_popescu: the flaming globes sigmund! it is just as you have prophesized!
mircea_popescu: TheSeven http://pastebin.com/rQfbUA8d you got a comment ?
pankkake: I had to google that, I forgot about Flaming Globes of Sigmund
pankkake: I wish Rochelle, Rochelle existed
kakobrekla: odesk is 99.5% indians and losers at same time
kakobrekla: the .5 is just indian or just loser
pankkake: I don't know odesk specifically, but most similar websites are like that
mircea_popescu: well what are they gonna do.
knotwork: hmm what is this AVAtrade whose ad I just saw on facebook? A onventional forex site now including bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: "And, it happened that we have access on some 130nm library, so she decided to continue with this library."
mircea_popescu: "we stole some more software".
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, haven't heard of the bitfinex thing in a while.
pankkake: raise 7500 BTC, be a cheap ass and don't pay for anything
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1633 @ 0.00019993 = 0.3265 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: it just goes to further show exactly what forum fuckwits are worth
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 10112 @ 0.00018719 = 1.8929 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: comes out of nowhere, "we" and "our company", all "professional" and whatnot...
mircea_popescu: hasn't seen a whole bitcoin in his life.
dexX7: well, they have a history going back to q3 2012 on the forums
pankkake: hehe, the "we" always make me lol
mircea_popescu: dexX7 theswede was registered in march.
pankkake: I should speak on behalf of Pankkake Industries Corporation Limited
mircea_popescu: what history ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 25150 @ 0.00018393 = 4.6258 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: pankkake what's wrong with kramerica ?
pankkake: theswede is just random pr guy - those are old time scammers
pankkake: some italians
mircea_popescu: i wonder what rosenfeld is doing these days.
dexX7: rosenfeld = the bdt guy?
pankkake: hm, yeah my next company will be Vandelay Industries
mircea_popescu: dexX7 meni rosenfeld, the foil for the bdt scam, but much older history.
mircea_popescu: he created a fake "short" asset for pirate, he has a long history of trying to be the "respectable" part of various scams.
dexX7: yeah, i saw some posts of him when i did a quick search for alberto
mircea_popescu: tho after his utter failure to rehabilitate that nick with his "vanity thread" etc i suppose it's not surprising he just let it drop.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.0074996 = 0.375 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: Sep 30 22:27:12 <zhenhua_wang>once again we advise all investors to buy shares while they are cheap, We are confident in fact that the price will raise tenfold in respect to IPO
mircea_popescu: Sep 30 22:34:00 <zhenhua_wang>mircea_popescu: you are simple minded. sorry but your are a psychopathic
mircea_popescu: ahh the good old days of last week!
dexX7: wtf
dexX7: is this from the log?
dexX7: that was just a faker
dexX7: the original quote is from labcoin made on the forum
mircea_popescu: no, he came here because i went over on their chan for lolz.
pankkake: sure, but it was a troll
pankkake: quoting real things labcoin said though
dexX7: zhenhua_wang = the guy who wrote the message which is on pastebin. he never was here on irc.
dexX7: yup, pankkake
mircea_popescu: pankkake the distinction blurs.
pankkake: labcoin is trolling itself so yes
mircea_popescu: some emo chick that doesn't wash ironically is still an slovenly slut.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 anyway, it's common for pr to repeat the official line. -pr quotes me all the time.
mircea_popescu: how's that prove it's a troll.
dexX7: hm? i'm just saying that "zhenhua_wang" has probably no connection to the "real" labcoin team
dexX7: just to underline that this is not the guy who wrote the message
mircea_popescu: but probably why ? on the basis of what ?
dexX7: 1. those quotes are from user "labcoin" (persona "sam" which is actually alessia), 2. howard/zhenhua wang is external and was hired by labcoin to create an asic, 3. wang never appeared on the forums/irc
dexX7: so how likely is it that this guy surprisingly appears on irc to mock labcoiners?
dexX7: according to the messages he was scammed by them, too and he seems to be a nice guy :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [COG.F2] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3671 @ 0.00018207 = 0.6684 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: we're not discussing whether this guy is or is not X random person irl.
mircea_popescu: we are discussing if this guy was actually paid by / working for labcoin or simply trolling.
mircea_popescu: on the face of what he said, the former would seem to be rather the case.
mircea_popescu: now whether it was really sam/alesia/theswede/whoever the fuck else that came here to bitch under that nick.... who cares.
pankkake: doubt it
pankkake: he just wanted to play with you
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.19 = 2.38 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: right, and the duck i ate earlier was just feigning.
mircea_popescu: because it's really impossible it be the case that the redditard generation is quite fucking stupid enough to do something on sept 30th and the exact oposite on oct 5
mircea_popescu: without being able to actually confront the fact that looky how fucking retarded we are.
pankkake: you're such a simple minded psychopathic :)
pankkake: [03:13] <samuel_jackson> we'll put motion up as soon as the board is up
pankkake: [03:13] <samuel_jackson> to take over the company form the scammers
pankkake: [03:13] <samuel_jackson> 70% is majority by far
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 19999 @ 0.00018124 = 3.6246 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: those guys are still deluding themselves
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 50269 @ 0.00015826 = 7.9556 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 728 @ 0.00018056 = 0.1314 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 249 @ 0.002989 = 0.7443 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00298982 = 0.1943 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00085123 = 8.7251 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.002989 = 1.1956 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: 148819199.80509 | Next Diff in 88 blocks | Estimated Change: 27.5702% in 0d 10h 24m 34s
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 800 @ 0.0001514 = 0.1211 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00084841 = 5.8116 BTC [-]
dexX7: ThickAsThieves: do you have a copy of am's latest statement made by the board? could you put it on pastebin or so?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.002989 = 0.8967 BTC [-]
VanCleef: ;;seen ThickAsThieves
gribble: ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 2 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> a tor detector detector
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.01189999 = 0.8925 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 20 @ 0.041945 = 0.8389 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.002989 = 0.8967 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 4229 @ 0.00015265 = 0.6456 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 103 @ 0.00299 = 0.308 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5771 @ 0.0001512 = 0.8726 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 714 @ 0.00084841 = 0.6058 BTC [-]
dexX7: http://i.imgur.com/jEgzE7eh.jpg bruce willis is into bitcoin? x.x
pankkake: if you ignore the hair, somewhat
pankkake: it's that bowtie guy right?
dexX7: no idea ;)
pankkake: jeffrey tucker
dexX7: picostocks ipo is confirmed scam
nejon: how is that confirmed?
pankkake: because cointerra said it's a scam
pankkake: from what I understand of cointerra, they do not want to touch bitcoin at all
dexX7: but what you posted.. what does that actually mean?
nejon: have source?
dexX7: if kleecksj is kleeck from here, he's legit
pankkake: there's a screenshot of the support ticket somewhere
pankkake: (not that you should trust screenshots)
nejon: not sure if I should even trust some guy on support
nejon: are they supposed to know everything
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