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thestringpuller: !ticker m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.0005 / 0.0005 / 0.0005 (500 shares, 0.25 BTC), 7D: 0.0005 / 0.0007278 / 0.00075 (35000 shares, 25.47 BTC), 30D: 0.00045 / 0.00066899 / 0.00075 (45237 shares, 30.26 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.05000011 = 0.2 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00330011 = 0.198 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00078987 / 0.00079353 / 0.00079603 (133027 shares, 105.56 BTC), 7D: 0.00077981 / 0.00079847 / 0.0008476 (1314264 shares, 1,049.41 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00081869 / 0.00088996 (6179919 shares, 5,059.49 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.15899996 = 0.477 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.15993332 = 0.9596 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.16999999 = 0.51 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.17499983 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.00000054 * 126
gribble: 6.804e-05
thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.00000054 * 1260
gribble: 0.0006804
thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.00000054 * 12600
gribble: 0.006804
thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.00000054 * 126000
gribble: 0.06804
thestringpuller: ;;calc 126000 / 0.0008
gribble: 157500000
thestringpuller: ;;calc 126000 * 0.0008
gribble: 100.8
thestringpuller: ;;calc 12600 * 0.0008
gribble: 10.08
benkay: .d
ozbot: 707408283.05150 | Next Diff in 1558 blocks | Estimated Change: 23.8290% in 8d 5h 27m 37s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+]
davout: hello assets
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+]
KRS|gotyawallet: the fuck..? are you guys watching #bitcoin-pricetalk and btc-revolution?
KRS|gotyawallet: Bitcoin PSA‏@BitcoinPSA2h
KRS|gotyawallet: @PumpNDumpTeam That wasn't a crash. It was retaliation towards pump and dumpers....
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.34 = 2.72 BTC [+]
benkay: naw man, what's going on over there?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1027 @ 0.00302118 = 3.1028 BTC [-] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 397 @ 0.00293567 = 1.1655 BTC [-] {17}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 156 @ 0.00282141 = 0.4401 BTC [-] {17}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 2746 @ 0.0026477 = 7.2706 BTC [-] {17}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 3113 @ 0.00107797 = 3.3557 BTC [-] {11}
ozbot: Digitalis Open Transactions server: Assets
benkay: goodness, what is this?
benkay: wow so much wtf
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.330101 BTC [-]
KRS|gotyawallet: happy to bring it back to my friends here at btcassets
KRS|gotyawallet: what bothers me still is that the price still looks so much like a bubble, even after realizing what was done yesterday/earlier.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00314037 = 0.1162 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: "what was done", meaning the 1250 > 840 > 1100 wobble?
KRS|gotyawallet: <mike4> and btc-revolution-s why didn't you drop it to 20?
KRS|gotyawallet: <btc-revolution-s> im a donor
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 374 @ 0.002 = 0.748 BTC [+]
KRS|gotyawallet: ok it looks like he donated to "fontase"- 204 btc
KRS|gotyawallet: to get in the "inner circle"
benkay: wow wtfuckballs
KRS|gotyawallet: <btc-revolution-s> to crash out a ppump and dumper
KRS|gotyawallet: <btc-revolution-s> on his coins
KRS|gotyawallet: <btc-revolution-s> so he couldent get them back out
KRS|gotyawallet: <mike4> lol
KRS|gotyawallet: its all in #bitcoin-pricetalk if there are any logs following that chat room
benkay: oh i'm watching now
KRS|gotyawallet: basically- if this is true, hold your coins..according to him its going to be a "rough two weeks".
benkay: i have a hard time buying some rando in pricetalk's claims to move the entire btc market
Duffer1: what's he trying to accomplish?
KRS|gotyawallet: stop pumper and dumpers
KRS|gotyawallet: i guess i can pastebin tis
Duffer1: oh alt coin p&d?
ozbot: <wentknweqt_> good luck with stopping the pump and dumpers. i don't believe you - Pastebin.com
KRS|gotyawallet: yeah even btc p&d
KRS|gotyawallet: some of these might be the "whales"
benkay: just no
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 108 @ 0.00314999 = 0.3402 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: maybe there are people with giant amounts of btc floating around still who are trying to p/d, but the pumps last an entire month and the dumps last for trivial amounts of time
Duffer1: it seems he's taking credit for cryptsy's current troubles
Duffer1: ohh donate to fontas to get inside info, then crush it
benkay: /query bingoboingo
KRS|gotyawallet: -> benkay
KRS|gotyawallet: yes Duffer1
KRS|gotyawallet: <btc-revolution-s> we are the anti-pump and dumpers
KRS|gotyawallet: <btc-revolution-s> group of donors crashing out pump and dumpers - i thought you were in here with head banana and some others when we gave our first warnings
benkay: more like doner kebab
KRS|gotyawallet: he is that dude who's trying to live without fiat 100% btc
Duffer1: it's almost a case of too little too late, everything on BTC-E is already absurdly overpriced
KRS|gotyawallet: it seems they did the same with litecoin
KRS|gotyawallet: now looking back at the markets its amazing how they naturally normalize after some time
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Duffer1: fontas just tweeted colossus coin pump, guess he's moving on to the coin graveyard er i mean cryptsy
KRS|gotyawallet: heh i made some good money with fontas
KRS|gotyawallet: i think he's funny
Duffer1: ya no doubt there's money to be had from it
Duffer1: and with the amount of B following him, pumping some of those .00000001 coins on cryptsy could be very lucrative
KRS|gotyawallet: According to btc-revolution its "bad for btc" =/
KRS|gotyawallet: you better believe
KRS|gotyawallet: that is right duffer1
benkay: i still want to know what this is all about: http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/companies.html
KRS|gotyawallet: very interesting- a ton of DVC (Devcoin) was just deposited into some exchanges who ran out..many are anticipating a rise in value
KRS|gotyawallet: if dDVC is devcoin?
Duffer1: ya that's devcoin
KRS|gotyawallet: Devcorp?
KRS|gotyawallet: ok so they are paying developers in Devcoin?
Duffer1: apparently that was it's original purpose
Duffer1: i don't know much about the coin, other than it will be de-listed from mcxNOW soon
KRS|gotyawallet: mcxNOW is being delisted from mcxNOW heh
KRS|gotyawallet: its all over for them
Duffer1: could be
Duffer1: realsolid is a flake
KRS|gotyawallet: thats the impression i got
KRS|gotyawallet: but damn..this looks too much like a bubble so idk what side of the fence to be on here..
Duffer1: which coin?
benkay: just be on the btc coin
benkay: develop a smug regard for day-traders
benkay: cackle gleefully when you are living your life during mini crashes
benkay: "what, there was a 30% value wobble? lol too bad i was busy drinking champange to notice"
KRS|gotyawallet: ya i play with altcoins fur the lulz all btc atm
KRS|gotyawallet: haha benkay
wao-ender: mircea_popescu: are you related somehow to Ionut Popescu ?
sgnb: I heard this name was very common in Romania
wao-ender: I just found him here http://defcamp.ro/speakers/
dub: hold the slashdots RMS is drooling on his shoes again
dub: is it safe to visit .ro sites yet?
dub: last I herd it was instavirus
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 376 @ 0.00039999 = 0.1504 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.0551 = 0.2755 BTC [+]
zacm: i hope the place stallman speaks at has his special diet accomodations in mind. he's on a toenail diet, remember.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00079266 = 9.393 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00304989 = 0.122 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 121 @ 0.00300345 = 0.3634 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 279 @ 0.00324497 = 0.9053 BTC [+] {8}
jurov`: Login temporarily discouraged huh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00214 = 0.1498 BTC [+]
KRS|gotyawallet: $upernode Lifestyle
ozbot: Official Video: Snoop Lion "La La La" (prod. Major Lazer) - YouTube
KRS|gotyawallet: Hey whats up Vexual =D
KRS|gotyawallet: Did you see what Snoop said about btc
Vexual: no
ozbot: Snoop Dogg (SnoopDogg) on Twitter
Vexual: he he
KRS|gotyawallet: Major Lazer..hmm ever hear this one-
Vexual: he must have a hookup to visa
Vexual: i just bought reincarnated on vinyl with my visa, and i'm sure they can connect that
KRS|gotyawallet: video is hilarious
ozbot: Major Lazer - Bubble Butt (feat. Bruno Mars, 2 Chainz, Tyga & Mystic) - Directed by Eric Wareheim -
KRS|gotyawallet: I could swear you can see the girl's anus when she bends down
Vexual: flip it reverse it and check it
mircea_popescu: wao-ender nah, i'm not related to any other popescu you might have heard of
mircea_popescu: (it's kind of a common surname, like smith or brown or something)
KRS|gotyawallet: my house is shaking with all this bass its 5AM here
mircea_popescu: and look at that, somebody tried to rape mpoe bot and failed!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00214 = 0.107 BTC [+]
ozbot: Snoop Dogg - 02 Think About It - Blue Carpet Treatment - YouTube
davout: mircea_popescu: if the girl is bored send her this way -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=354365.msg3794760
Vexual: mp, you gonna endore gangsta rap now?
mircea_popescu: Vexual i just trolled thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: because i can.
Vexual: excellent
Vexual: love your work
mircea_popescu: davout "Cloudflare talked a major CA into issuing a certificate for any domain with a cloudflare-generated keypair;"
mircea_popescu: that may be technically correct. they might have done exactly that, through the mediation of the us secretary of state.
davout: i think it has more to do with "oh your DNS is configured to cloudflare, where do i sign?"
davout: but hey, only idiots rule out the NSA
zacm: bitcointalk hijacked by us govt? never!
mircea_popescu: zacm no, just the usg using american companies as governmental agents.
mircea_popescu: it cost cisco its business last month, pretty much, but the practice isn't new.
mircea_popescu: "Because the HTTPS protocol is pretty terrible" no look, he has a point.
mircea_popescu: https is not secure enough to run a forum on.
mircea_popescu: holy shit his signature is 1kb DSA ?!
zacm: wonder what they want access to a bitcoin forum for.
Vexual: maybe they want everyone to scatter so it's harder to infomine
mircea_popescu: ;;google "we're being probed"
gribble: Forensic experts visit fire site, conspiracy angle being probed - The ...: <http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/Forensic-experts-visit-fire-site-conspiracy-angle-being-probed/articleshow/26684168.cms>; Senior Chinese official sacked in corruption probe | Reuters: <http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/30/us-china-corruption-idUSBRE9AT01B20131130>; Peaches Geldof (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: fucking useless google still eh ?
ozbot: Boys and girls, I got news : we’re being probed. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
dexX7: very good quality ddos :D
ozbot: Snoop Dogg - Gin & Juice (Official Video) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: davout "This merchant stuff solves an imaginary problem in a broken way, what's next in the core tree? Discount codes? Loyalty programs?" no, i tihnk you pretty much got it.
mircea_popescu: imho the main trunk became spurious somewhere around 4.3.0 or thereabouts. i have no idea who even follows their github anymore.
KRS|gotyawallet: +1 Vexual
ozbot: Talking to Thief on Boat from Waterworld | Anyclip
ozbot: Filter - Welcome To The Fold (Official Video) - YouTube
KRS|gotyawallet: let it ride a min if you havent heard it yet
Vexual: its making dogs bark
KRS|gotyawallet: hah they like it
Vexual: where are they fropm?
KRS|gotyawallet: The U.S. - Ohio
mircea_popescu: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 272645 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 1530 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 20 hours, 15 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 868927085.081 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.83247
KRS|gotyawallet: shit already
ozbot: Wolfmother - Woman - YouTube
KRS|gotyawallet: Heard Australia is a GREAT place to visit. I shall have to try to make it there at some point.
KRS|gotyawallet: Hey these guys are good.
Vexual: i think they retired
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 91 @ 0.00459999 = 0.4186 BTC [-]
truffles: wolf father doesnt have the same affect eh
Vexual: all the kids are retiring at 35 these days
ozbot: Porque te vas - Kill Cruise. 1990 (fragmento) - YouTube
truffles: well that wasnt expected
Vexual: ive got a bitbet for ya
Vexual: someone will fuck with friedcats hongkong rooftop radiator before bitcoin has to fork
Vexual: except we would never hear about the radiator
Vexual: someone called galvanic corrosion
Vexual: teflon tape? really!?!?
Vexual: the coolant might be inert, but honk kong rain aint
Vexual: chinese ingenuity, or honeypot?
Vexual: misinfo is worth more than a days crane hire
KRS|gotyawallet: Vexual ever hear bitcoin baron
KRS|gotyawallet: soundcloud
Vexual: probably, is it shit?
KRS|gotyawallet: its ok check it
ozbot: SoundCloud - Share Your Sounds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00328588 = 0.1643 BTC [-] {2}
KRS|gotyawallet: took me a few times to really like it..but you gotta like it because its btc
KRS|gotyawallet: lyrics are good imo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00329136 = 0.9874 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: LiveLeak.com - Amazon Experimenting With Drones That Will Deliver Packages In 30 Minutes
ozbot: Twitter / Driedfred: My new credit card came in ...
mircea_popescu: "hey guise guess what, my secret key is just like my name lol. but it's all cool because i have a paper wallet."
ozbot: Twitter / Driedfred: Claudia should stop rubbing ...
ozbot: Crank Yankers Niles Needs Assistance - YouTube
KRS|gotyawallet: that drone delivery is kickass isnt it
Vexual: yeah, order a book, get a free quadcopter
Vexual: then it's all trustless deaddrops with innocent looking yellow lunchboxes
Vexual: a big mesh of the bastards
Vexual: i guess thats why we're not allowed nuclear AA batteries
Vexual: im off to the lab
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00328809 = 0.3288 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 405 @ 0.00329487 = 1.3344 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.05010003 = 0.2505 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: sure does take a long time to sync the btc client with the network
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 35 @ 0.05007715 = 1.7527 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 148 @ 0.00282106 = 0.4175 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00331 = 0.2979 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.33072 = 9.9216 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3303 = 0.6606 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.05799996 = 0.29 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.03 = 0.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 5000 @ 0.00012164 = 0.6082 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 429 @ 0.00200081 = 0.8583 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3975 @ 0.00009603 = 0.3817 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 144 @ 0.00200081 = 0.2881 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2500 @ 0.00195363 = 4.8841 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 363 @ 0.00190272 = 0.6907 BTC [-] {7}
turbo_ac100: ;;market sell 10000
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 8838602.1661 USD and would take the last price down to 780.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 883.8602 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 215.1774 seconds
turbo_ac100: is that gox only?
ThickAsThieves: i suggest you sell 10000 btc more tactfully though ;)
dub: 20 hour work day ftw
truffles: orly
truffles: sitting at a desk counting coins?
dub: if only
dub: i been on the street slangin packets
truffles: no way u were productive all 20..
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: you can speed it up with https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0
pankkake: somehow firefox does not want me to connect to bitcointalk. but chrome does, and it doesn't seem to be a dns issue
deadweasel: mebbe?
deadweasel: News: If you used your password to login between 06:00 Dec 1 UTC and 20:00 Dec 2 UTC (this is in the future -- do not login until then), then your password may have been captured in a man-in-the-middle attack, and you should change your password here and wherever else you used it. If you were only logged in via the "remember me" feature, then you're OK.
deadweasel: via bitcointalk
deadweasel: no worries, i haven't logged in since snackman.
ThickAsThieves: forum doesnt work in any browser for me
dexX7: be careful tat
ThickAsThieves: careful of ?
deadweasel: as long as you use 'remember me' you are ok.
deadweasel: don't plaintext input your password currently.
dexX7: if you want access, you can change your dns entry to google's dns though. it's 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4 and resolves correctly
ThickAsThieves: i can wait
ThickAsThieves: everyone can use a forum vacation
jurov`: ;;seen topace
gribble: topace was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 20 hours, 1 minute, and 19 seconds ago: <topace> the panama fund owns 80m units, but since the ipo didnt sell out, it actually holds ~83.3m units still.
ozbot: Just found out i was ripped off by CAVirtex : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: virtex really charges for inactivity??
ThickAsThieves: kinda scammy
ThickAsThieves: Once the number of Bitcoins in circulation reaches 21 million in 2024, bounties will no longer be paid out on block discovery, and facilities such as ASICMINER's will have a choice: to either re-purpose their cooled computing power, or shut their mines down forever.
ozbot: The secret Hong Kong facility that uses boiling goo to mine Bitcoins | The Verge
ThickAsThieves: so bitcoin will die when they are all mined
ThickAsThieves: sorry guys
kleeck: "boiling goo" - The finest journalism.
TomServo: Here's some good humor, a slashdot comment for a solution to blockchain bloat:
TomServo: What is really needed is a system where coins outside of circulation lose value so that the length of the blockchain can be easily kept to a manageable size because lost coins will disappear and the amount of history you have to keep (and verify) will be much smaller.
sgnb: when will people understand that it is not safe to keep anything on an exchange?
deadweasel: reddit motto: 'we know just enough to get into trouble'
deadweasel: ;;later tell mirceau_popescu I'm not sure I could get Ed Felten in here, but i'll give it whirl later.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov`: deadweaeaeasel: his name is mircea_popescu
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33999969 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.33999979 = 1.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33999999 BTC [+]
topace: ola
deadweasel: feck, thanks jurov`
topace: people lookin for me apparently
pankkake: I wonder how it can work with city buildings - how do you prevent stealing?
ThickAsThieves: and stealing/damage of the machine
deadweasel: ;;later tell mircea_popescu sent Ed Felten a quick message, invited him to discuss here. :) Good Fun.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pankkake: otherwise it's pretty cool to entirely bypass the postal system
truffles: but does he like bitcoin deadweasel
ThickAsThieves: people will have a blast taking them out of the air
dexX7: well, do people steal parcel transporter cars?
dexX7: hahaha
ThickAsThieves: throw a pair of tied shoes at it
ThickAsThieves: good fun
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 260 @ 0.00329997 = 0.858 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00330001 = 0.1749 BTC [+]
lil_data: next time invest only chargebackcoins
jurov`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325431.msg3795583 roflmao everyone accepting donations for legal action now
ozbot: labcoin lawsuit
ThickAsThieves: I still cant get forum to load
ThickAsThieves: when i change dns to google it just erases the setting when i close the popup
mike_c: the easiest people to scam are the victims of a previous scam. proven gullability!
lil_data: i'd like to support this gentleman directly https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i.imgur.com/nhySxoj.jpg
lil_data: to hunt down all the btc bad guys
lil_data: on the way to the moon
lil_data: on a space segway
nubbins`: bet his father would be ashamed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33999999 BTC [+]
pankkake: they wanted to believe in labcoin, I guess they now want to believe in the legal system
pankkake: I thought the "LCSH" was about finding the guys and actually going there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33999999 BTC [+]
jamespeerless: can someone explain how the weight works on bitbet?
ozbot: FAQ BitBet
ozbot: FAQ BitBet
kakobrekla: i starts at 100k and goes down to whatever its set to go down to
kakobrekla: to account for the risk that early bettors are taking and discourage leechers
jamespeerless: is the idea that at the start of the bet the odds aren't really known?
kakobrekla: it starts*
kakobrekla: or else it wouldnt be much of a bet
kakobrekla: if outcome is known
jamespeerless: so it's to handle bets that range over long period of time or where information is leaked over time
jamespeerless: but if its "will the patriots win on sunday" WHEN you bet doesn't matter if the game hasn't started
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 353 @ 0.00339082 = 1.197 BTC [+] {10}
pankkake: what if a player gets ill?
pankkake: it's a new information
pankkake: late bettors usually have better info and less risk
pankkake: but there are bets where it wouldn't matter - and in that case you can create the bet with a higher last weight
jamespeerless: makes sense
jamespeerless: and it decreases linearly over time?
pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/608/super-bowl-coin-toss-will-be-heads/ typically that bet really shouldn't go to weight 1… oh well
ozbot: BitBet - Super Bowl coin toss will be "heads"
pankkake: hm I think so yes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.05998899 = 0.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.05998899 = 0.4199 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.05998899 = 0.3599 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.05998899 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.33999999 = 1.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 317 @ 0.00348601 = 1.1051 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.05998899 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.05998899 = 0.3599 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.05998899 = 0.3599 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: pankkake on that one the weight is just mitigating the risk of mps disappearance
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.05998899 = 0.5999 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: deadweasel now invite nick.
mircea_popescu: there once was a man, his name was magellan, a portuguese skipper, the girls found him cute...
pankkake: ;;bc,xau
gribble: 1 XAU = 1225.900000000000 USD = 1.18851836386 BTC
mircea_popescu: btw pankkake, for your curiosity : since i finally fixed trilema credits ordering i'm getting about 10x as many orders.
mircea_popescu: i'd have died stupid if you weren't here to bitch at me.
kakobrekla: also poor.
pankkake: so most of your readers are autists like me, cool
mircea_popescu: i don't think poor was possible since about 1994 or so
kakobrekla: oh, i always thought trilema credits were the source of your wealth
kakobrekla: live and learn as they say
kakobrekla: i wont die stuptd as well
mircea_popescu: pankkake i suppose it's the case that my readers DIDN'T USE TO BE autists like you. but not anymore nao. because progress and stuff.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.00010996 = 0.3849 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
mircea_popescu: who's firedrops ?
pankkake: oh I realize my coloring hook for assbot actually removes the first character
pankkake: so it says 123! not 23! … makes sense now
mircea_popescu: 23 is an unexpectedly low amount for assbot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.002045 = 0.225 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: 123!
dexX7: simply amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
pankkake: I shaved my manly beard today. Litteraly months of work down the drain
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.03000001 = 0.36 BTC [+]
pankkake: literally* hmm.. lite. rally. there's a coin idea in there
mircea_popescu: ltc to the moon!
mircea_popescu: "every time you say literally but mean metaphorically mtgox kills a large pizza kitten"
jcpham: i ignored litecoin for too long
jcpham: now i'm even mining the shit for giggles
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00039999 = 0.2 BTC [+] {2}
jcpham: only because i have the gpu mining rigs sitting unused
jcpham: and it's worth $25-35
pankkake: I'd use it, but I have no real GPUs
jcpham: my gpus rigs have been sitting for months because i'm too lazy to go over there and pull them offline
jcpham: should've been mining bullshit altcoin instead of laughing at them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.03000001 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: are there any bullshit altcoins that are cpu mineable?
pankkake: yes! protoshares or primecoin
pankkake: quite profitable if you have a bunch of servers usually idling
pankkake: I don't understand why people pay for them, but why pass the opportunity to get some free money
mike_c: well, people have bought labcoin shares in the last week too.
pankkake: http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/12/02/130226/why-people-are-so-bad-at-picking-passwords Studies suggest red-haired women tend to choose the best passwords and men with bushy beards or unkempt hair, the worst.
ozbot: Why People Are So Bad At Picking Passwords - Slashdot
mircea_popescu: i thought the definition of bullshit altcoin was "can still gpu them"
mircea_popescu: pankkake i can vouch for the gingers.
benkay: mircea_popescu: why do gingers pick better passwords?
pankkake: well the gpu mining community is by far the worst
mircea_popescu: they pick better peckers too. they're just better.
mircea_popescu: probably because they have no souls.
benkay: emotions do interfere in the ruthless pursuit of capital
benkay: and operational security
ozbot: The strange case of the delusionist and later stories. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ThickAsThieves: are you color blind perchance?
ThickAsThieves: the chart is not grey and red
ThickAsThieves: it is teal and red
pankkake: Bitcoin to trade at $100 USD by the end of March 2013 link is wrong
pankkake: unless intentional
mircea_popescu: i am colorblind
mircea_popescu: pankkake the anchor not the url :p
ThickAsThieves: maybe a footnote for the artist credit?
mircea_popescu: i put it in the alt for the img and it links to their page
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.03154999 = 0.3155 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.17488997 = 0.3498 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: 23 days to christmas
ozbot: BitBet - Cardano delivered before Christmas
thestringpuller: you there?
benkay: yeah see pm
kleeck_: WHy does bitcointalk keep logging me out?
benkay: so that the mitm can get your password
kleeck_: Try'nah snatch me passwords
kleeck_: exactly
kleeck_: lol
kleeck_: watching that handshake.
thestringpuller: ;;seen jurov`
gribble: jurov` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 38 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <jurov`> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325431.msg3795583 roflmao everyone accepting donations for legal action now
jurov`: wat
jurov`: i don't see your pm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.33040001 = 0.9912 BTC [-]
jurov`: hi nubs
kakobrekla: >BFL_Josh>here's been a bit of a delay at the foundry on our chips and scheduling. The sample chips have been delayed a few weeks (still waiting on an exact date), so this should only affect the earliest customers, who we've already contacted with regards to the delay. The majority of customers should not be affected much, if at all.
kakobrekla: When I have a specific date from the foundry, I will post an update here with a revised timeline. We still expect to ship the bulk of the orders in/around February. Anyone ordering now will probably not get their order until March or April, just as an FYI and in the spirit of trying to keep realistic expectations on shipping times.
kakobrekla: Due to the delay for the earliest people, the ones affected will be upgraded to the watercooled version for free. The watercooled Monarch will be a closed loop system, so no maintenance will be required.
thestringpuller: .........
thestringpuller: do we need another bfl bet?
kakobrekla: dunno, those only go 1 year ahead
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this is new text
mircea_popescu: or they just copy/paste from the previous database.
thestringpuller: lol @ mircea_popescu
thestringpuller: I imagine Josh just copy pasting the same message every time there is a delay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 227 @ 0.00187682 = 0.426 BTC [-] {7}
thestringpuller: then going to the forums and justifying it
thestringpuller: when will bfl disappear...
Vexual: simple pattern learning
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 104 @ 0.00188528 = 0.1961 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: by niow you could probably make a bfl competitor out of markov chains and php
mircea_popescu: here's a wild thought : by the time bitcoins go for 1 mn dollars each,
mircea_popescu: satoshi notation is exactly as precise as dollars and cents.
Vexual: elegant
dub: ke?
mircea_popescu: by the time bitcoins go for 1bn each, which is probably their upper bound, each satoshi is ten bux
mircea_popescu: and we can't make change worth a shit.
Vexual: that would require global inflation where $10 wouldnt buy anything
ThickAsThieves: just use litecoins, theyll only be worth $100k
mircea_popescu: Vexual not at all.
ThickAsThieves: i was thinking about this a few days ago coincidentally
mircea_popescu: the endgame where bitcoin is the universal backer of all currency and it trades somewhere in the 10mn to 1bn per range actually sees the dollar slightly stronger than it is today.
dub: some poindexter at MIT worked out that satoshi-dime parity was $15k and change
ThickAsThieves: and wondered why there are decimals at
dub: wait, is dime 5c?
mircea_popescu: dub is mit on alternate math ?
mircea_popescu: a dime is 10 cents.
benkay: mircea_popescu u know i been saying you gotta start writing options on lots of satoshis
benkay: 0, 1, infinity
benkay: we all know where this curve goes sir
mircea_popescu: curve is romanian for whores.
dub: iirc it was the smallest unit in amerifag money
mircea_popescu: so i suppose they go to the brothel ?
dub: which is 5c?
benkay: save us all the accounting headache of figuring out how many fractions of a buttcoin the options are written on each month and just quote 'em in lots of satoshi and put it in the listing string!
mircea_popescu: that's a nickle
mircea_popescu: benkay 0.1 is clearer than 10000000
Vexual: is ther 12 million billion dollars in the world?
jurov`: use 1e7 :DDD
dub: its going to be a real problem for a lot of bitcoiners
mircea_popescu: Vexual upper bound tho.
benkay: ^^ that scientific notation
dub: how to buy a dimebag of crack when the smallest unit is $10????!
mircea_popescu: global gnp is somewhere in the 20 trn (thousand billion) range.
benkay: "what is one to do - scientific notation?" fuck yes!
benkay: imagine the referential transparency: "O.USD.C125T.e6"
Vexual: I don't understand the concept mircea
mircea_popescu: Vexual which one ?
dub: breathing through his nose
Vexual: upper bound
mircea_popescu: upper bound is like "the highest something will ever conceivably go"
mircea_popescu: like the upper bound for cranial capacity is about 3k cc, because there's a finite space between a woman
Vexual: bitcoin trading to 1bn?
mircea_popescu: 's legs which allows her to still walk upright
mircea_popescu: <dub> how to buy a dimebag of crack when the smallest unit is $10????! <<< HOW TO PAY TX FEES ON THAT!!!
Vexual: now im not an economist by any stretch of the imagination..
Vexual: ah yes, fees
mircea_popescu: Vexual looky : about 20 trn of new wealth is added to the world each year. the asset value of the world, all things told, is probably two to three degrees of magnitude above that.
mircea_popescu: if one single currency is to represent all that value, and especially if that one single currency is bitcoin, where people exhibit a massive tendency to hoard it,
mircea_popescu: it's not inconceivable that the btc still in circulation by the time btc takes over the whole world economy will trade at what would be the equivalent of today's billion dollars.
mircea_popescu: it is probably forcing a point, which is why i say upper bound.
Vexual: i agree
mircea_popescu: "a billion dollars is the most bitcoin can ever be."
Vexual: bit at 12 million billion, $10 ain't gonna buy shit
mircea_popescu: it would buy exactly what it buys today.
mircea_popescu: a hambuger or a cheap blowjob in america's inner city highschools.
mircea_popescu: which, agreed, isn't shit.
Vexual: waiting for that no fee confirm
mircea_popescu: whole new prostitution dynamics, you send the no fee 1 satoshi tx as she takes her top off, the tx finally confirms by the time she's wiping her lip.
Vexual: double spend and get the hamburger too
mircea_popescu: perfect human-machine fit
KRS|gotyawallet: heh nice
dub: we're forgetting the dev team will save us
ozbot: Twitter / Driedfred: My new credit card came in ...
Vexual: kerkenbush
mircea_popescu: pankkake this, speaking of prostitution ?
Vexual: the grren line offs a few billion in 2 centuries
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.03 = 0.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.155 = 0.31 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08305 = 0.1661 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: 90 BTC to give everyonbe on earth one satoshi
kakobrekla: how to make 90 btc useless
ozbot: BBC News - Rare Iceland armed police operation leaves man dead
mircea_popescu: Counselling is being provided to the special forces team.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.0297 = 0.3267 BTC [-]
Vexual: @just imagine he was a seal@
ThickAsThieves: why is there a Lockheed Martin ad on that page
Vexual: coz helicopter
ThickAsThieves: what might a slate reader buy from LH? Or maybe it's a recruitment ad?
Vexual: helicopter + college
Vexual: a phd is paying someone to read something that took you 3 years to write.
dub: ads are usually defined by your bubble not the site
jurov`: “take your parents to work day.” rly, this is a thing???
dub: I wonder how many people that took parents to a job interview got hired
dub: what do you even have on your CV at that point?
mircea_popescu: "Rates of depression are soaring among millennials in college."
dub: I learned to wipe my own ass just the other day
truffles: life is depressing, when thats figured out, maybe some will grow up
mircea_popescu: i find the fact that this is even measured offensive.
jborkl: so, Picostocks got haxxored for 6000btc now?
mircea_popescu: fuck you, go live in the park.
Vexual: lol, dr park
dub: they should hand out cyanide pills instead of prozac
ThickAsThieves: why does anyone take Peter Schiff seriously?
mircea_popescu: " It became increasingly difficult to balance school, socializing, laundry, and a part-time job."
mircea_popescu: no seriously ? get a job in porn, the set mother will tell you when you need to wash the cum off.
jborkl: ie reading facebook while cooking hamburgers
mircea_popescu: jborkl a few days back, the theory ghoes.
ThickAsThieves: (voorhees)
jborkl: I lose track, it isn't a exciting week anymore if less than 10,000 btc is hacked(run off with by a shitbag)
Vexual: no wonder laudry coins
mircea_popescu: "The big problem is not that they think too highly of themselves. Their bigger challenge is conflict negotiation, and they often are unable to think for themselves."
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is this not self-contradictory ?
truffles: shocker amy isnt a dood..
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as they're not groveling nude at the feet of their betters, they DO think way too high of themselves.
mircea_popescu: way, way too high.
truffles: (gets a gf)
ozbot: Beastie Boys : Skills to Pay the Bills - YouTube
jborkl: All the noobs think they are really getting bitcoins back from (insert scammer of the week here)
ThickAsThieves: mp this reminds me of the concept discussed in the past, of well-off parents not properly teaching their kids to stay wealthy, and then over X generations all wealth is lost to the family name
jborkl: they have not been here in the past and seen (insert scammer of the past week here) did not pay anyone back
mike_c: of course, since the ancestor who made the money is dead, who cares?
ThickAsThieves: many care, legacy is a big deal for some
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the trick is, making a fortune and keeping a fortune are pretty divergent skills.
mircea_popescu: consider the following imo very illustrative example :
mircea_popescu: everyone involved in bitcoin of any consequence exhibits the "cave early" behaviour.
mike_c: tough to enjoy your legacy when you're dead.
ThickAsThieves: mike_c this value varies by culture
ThickAsThieves: some really do enjoy knowing they have a legacy to leave
mircea_popescu: now, this is a rare behaviour irl. if you go up to a girl and ask her out, it's rare that she says "ok, i'm willing to be your gf now" after two hours.
Vexual: ah hem
mircea_popescu: in general, the expectation will be that she caves late. and indeed should you after a three week courtship tell her gtfo, you should have said yes on the first pass it'll be unexpected.
mircea_popescu: now, bitcoiners are exactly the opposite : they are in bitcoin because they caved early, to the lures of this bitcoin idea.
mircea_popescu: the bears are more akin to the girl : they expect bitcoin to court them.
mircea_popescu: the funny thing is, that the people who caved early and got bitcoin will continue with the same behaviour : they cave early and get dollars, too.
ThickAsThieves: and will thus miss much of the appreciation
mircea_popescu: this is why we see this see saw pattern on the price : once it reaches 100 everyone who thought "three digits" sells out
mircea_popescu: the mounting buying pressure is temporarily sated, but then later on ? 200, 500, 800 go by like a dream
mircea_popescu: because all the kids who were going to sell at 100 to 1000 sold at 130ish
mircea_popescu: the same will repeat for a while, i suspect. most of the people that willl sell under 10k have sold or are about to sell at 1k ish
mircea_popescu: now, this behaviour clearly does not optimize the $$$ you get for your btc,
mircea_popescu: but it is coherent with the behaviour that GOT YOU that btc in the first place.
mircea_popescu: and this is not limited to our narrow corner of tghe world. keeping a fortune and making a fortune are widely different skillsets.
Vexual: eat rice
Vexual: sell wagu
mircea_popescu: obviously the same cave early behaviour is related to a lot of the forum-style scammy nonsense passing for investment so successfully.
mircea_popescu: everythin's connected.
Vexual: people are mostly just fish with arms
truffles: orly
Vexual: 1,2,4,?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00078568 = 7.0711 BTC [-]
Vexual: 8,64
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00010998 = 1.0998 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: 7,96
mike_c: ugh, i'm mining litecoins. somebody smack me please.
mircea_popescu: what's diff at yet ?
mike_c: i think i'm currently losing about $2 an hour
benkay`: huh
benkay`: that sounded like a bubble popping
mike_c: diff is 1,734
mike_c: projected: 12% bump in 17 hours
ThickAsThieves: i've been selling off my ltc-mining setups
ThickAsThieves: they just sat for mos
mircea_popescu: it's winter tho
pankkake: just use middlecoin
ThickAsThieves: turns out i hate caring for computers and being hot
mircea_popescu: i made that call in 2011.
mircea_popescu: boy it saved me so much aggravation hence.
ThickAsThieves: i basically stopped once it was all paid for
Vexual: they were losing $2 an hour in 2009, but not getting hot
ThickAsThieves: the stuff has better resale value than i expected
ThickAsThieves: getting like $225+ for GPUs
pankkake: lol, they probably went up in price too
pankkake: usually stuff used for mining is considered half dead
ThickAsThieves: some is, the 7970 seems prone to this
ThickAsThieves: it gets all glitchy for normal use
mircea_popescu: 225 seems insane, nvidia cards are better for gaming anywqay
mike_c: well, that was fun. experience gained, miner off.
kakobrekla: retired already?
mike_c: can't afford it :)
mircea_popescu: he's off to buy the east indies on his accumulated mined coins
kakobrekla: i still use same gpu as in 2011
kakobrekla: mined howmany coins on it
kakobrekla: noone knows.
kakobrekla: a bunch.
Vexual: 24/7ish?
kakobrekla: well its not mining any more but at the time yeah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3304002 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: in a dedi rig
kakobrekla: then i moved it to my main box
Vexual: hashrate?
kakobrekla: its a 5770 OCed to shit
kakobrekla: 255 mhash
kakobrekla: 260 on a good day
kakobrekla: anyway no glitches or anything and i abused the card a lot
mircea_popescu: sounds like a good amount of card.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00386999 = 0.1161 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: 100 btc?
kakobrekla: a week
ThickAsThieves: "Making conversation at Thanksgiving can be hard, but apparently it's especially hard if you're an employee of the National Security Agency. So the agency has stepped in to solve the problem, issuing this list of approved talking points for fending off hostile relatives"
ozbot: NSA Sent Home Talking Points for Employees to Use in Conversations with Family & Friends During Holi
ThickAsThieves: (1) NSA’s mission is of great value to the Nation”; (2) NSA performs its mission the right way—lawful, compliant and in a way that protects civil liberties and privacy; (3) NSA performs its mission exceptionally well. We strive to be the best that we can be, because that’s what America requires as part of its defense in a dangerous world; (4) The people who work for NSA are
ThickAsThieves: loyal Americans with expert skills who make sacrifices to help protect the freedoms we all cherish; (5) NSA is committed to increased transparency, public dialog and faithful implementation of any changes required by our overseers. (No emphasis added. Underlines appear in the document.)
ThickAsThieves: delusionists
Vexual: snowden didnt get that memo
thestringpuller: some of the stuff mircea_popescu says is like listening to the buddha speak lol
thestringpuller: kakobrekla: why u no hustle hard?
thestringpuller: you a big meanie
mircea_popescu: lol this is nsa crap so soviet oy vey.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00340045 = 0.1326 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: except america isn't at all socialist in any way
ThickAsThieves: i asked a black guy if he was related to a famous black guy that he looks very similar to, his response "defining features don't equal relation at least not typically" is he a grump, or did i cross some kinda they-all-look-the-same line?
dub: was the similarity in his big lips/wide node/sloping forehead/big penis?
dub: s/node/nose
dub: if so, you racis
asciilifeform: countdown to when they start fitting employees with Columbian collars...?
ThickAsThieves: the dude looks just like Frank Faison from the Wire
ThickAsThieves: pretty distinctive looking black dude
kakobrekla: thestringpuller what do ya mean?
thestringpuller: i just trollin' i should stop.
truffles: TAT yea but u think they all look a like
thestringpuller: kakobrekla: you work behind the scenes i guess
thestringpuller: making sure the gears turn
ThickAsThieves: at least 2 of em look alike, s'all i'm syain
kakobrekla: i just grease the assbot.
truffles: its still amazing?
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ozbot: Rake - S1E8 Tax Charges clip - YouTube
truffles: 2nd clip of shocker ending Vexual!
mircea_popescu: i wonder what happens come 2016 when some republican gets elected us president if obama announces he "won't enforce" the new presidency.
ozbot: Genetic portraits: How much do you and your family members really look alike?
truffles: are u gonna have a moment`?
dub: motherfuckers be line steppin
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same thing that will happen if kermit the frog clamps his teeth around the hand inside his arse and drags it out.
truffles: TAT thats freaky
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that kinda reminds me of the one time i got a buncha romanian blogger's faces and symmetrized them
ozbot: Simetrie online pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Vexual: That kinda reminds me of winmorph 1.0
ThickAsThieves: i like this stuff
turbo_ac100_: ah cool oglaf on trilema!
mircea_popescu: freakiest chick ever.
mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100_ im a huge fan.
turbo_ac100_: rightfully so!
turbo_ac100_: rightly so... f'in english!
truffles: related story, waking up one day with 10-centimeter tumor where u cant sleep ..
deadweasel: that picture hurts my brain mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: deadweasel she wants to blind date you.
mircea_popescu: you date her, you go blind.
deadweasel: she's going to have to.
truffles: cuz u only date 10's?
deadweasel: as of friday, yes.
truffles: haha gl
deadweasel: any of you eastern europeans been treated with Bacteriophage?
mircea_popescu: it's quite rare deadweasel.
Vexual: the 10 got boils?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10500004 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Bacteriophage animation - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.112249 = 0.2245 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Pancreatic cancer risk increases with every 2 strips of bacon you eat: Study - CBS News
Duffer1_: nooooOOOOO :(
truffles: study 2012, conditions mightve changed
Vexual: pancreatic cancer risk increases with every two steps you take
truffles: i was just looking if there was a non scanner way to tell if uve got cancer..
Duffer1_: trained dog for certain cancers
truffles: Jack Andraka i know is working on some test strips..
truffles: but im not likely to have those he's testing ..
dub: isnt there a recent genetic breakthrough that we are the result of a monkey fucking a pig
Vexual: cancer isn't much of a problem until you're dead, then it's less of a problem
dub: we don't eat a lot of monkey, perhaps the jews are right
mircea_popescu: dub i dunno but i've seen this new thanksgiving nonsense where they cut a turkey and a pigglet and put the halves together
ozbot: 'Humans evolved after a female chimpanzee mated with a pig': Extraordinary claim made by American ge
ThickAsThieves: the male was the pig!
ThickAsThieves: not expected
mircea_popescu: what's this, lysenko ?
Vexual: divergent evolution is so 2012
truffles: pig for the white, chimp for the black, makes sense
ThickAsThieves: is this theory not testable?
ThickAsThieves: or have pigs and mokeys evolved too much
Vexual: theres not enough fossil record to reverse engineer our evolution
Vexual: and one would expect to see similar hybridisations in lower animals before putting that forward
truffles: maybe its a publish or perish kinda thing ya know
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you could use your bitcoin fortune to endow a monkey pigfucking farm
Vexual: maybe its a crackpipe kinda thing
ThickAsThieves: maybe Jeff Bezos would buy my farm
ThickAsThieves: so which side of the brain is monkey/pig?
ozbot: The Truth About The Left Brain / Right Brain Relationship : 13.7: Cosmos And Culture : NPR
Vexual: you could get some elephants and dolphins and see if you get dugongs
ThickAsThieves: It makes sense to have specialized brain regions, just as it makes sense to have divisions of labor in other areas of life. But why have specialized hemispheres?
ThickAsThieves: cuz pigs!
mircea_popescu: get hipos and dolphins
mircea_popescu: they're practically the same lineage.
ThickAsThieves: maybe apes and boars, for bigger humans
ThickAsThieves: or king kongs!
mircea_popescu: im sure pig meant boar hog.
mircea_popescu: they didn't have basna back then
Vexual: maybe start with something like a coral
ThickAsThieves: well they attribute our smooth skin to the pig
ThickAsThieves: and arent boars hairy?
truffles: dailymail though
ThickAsThieves: arent all pigs hairy?
mircea_popescu: see mangalitsa
ThickAsThieves: no wonder it had to rape a monkey to get laid
truffles: if this theory were true would ur mind be blown
Vexual: yes
ThickAsThieves: i dont care at all
truffles: u care
truffles: this is crazy stuff!
ThickAsThieves: if some pig humped some monkey ages ago?
mircea_popescu: it's patent nonsense anyway. suines and hominides aren't sexuyally compatible.
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truffles: dubs his theory the 'Monkey-F******-A-Pig hypothesis'
kakobrekla: its either monkey-pig or monkey-monkey
kakobrekla: no difference basically
kakobrekla: ok ok, pig-pig also.
truffles: if no holes in science, these theories wouldnt come to light
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deadweasel: if no holes in people. people wouldn't come about.
truffles: haha
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truffles: whats with the blockchain storage..
truffles: i hear there's child porn snips in it..
truffles: this is something the bitcoin foundation should take care of
deadweasel: truffles, please don't speak so much
deadweasel: or think first, either way
truffles: well its not "technically" done but still
mircea_popescu: truffles you can add some child porn to the blockchain yourself.
truffles: im saying it should be removed..
kakobrekla: more interesting would be if we can find an algo that would decrpyt the moons surface to some CP pix or vid
kakobrekla: BAN THE MOON!
ThickAsThieves: ban the internet
ThickAsThieves: look at all the damage its done
mircea_popescu: well at least, if we're contemplating the task of censoring the blockchain, i would say the bitcoin foundation is a well chosen agent.
truffles: only extreme cases
mircea_popescu: rarely a more insurmountable task was met by a less apt entity.
Duffer1_: hehe
mircea_popescu: it's like (bfl making asics) ^ of itself
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (bfl making asics) ** (bfl making asics)
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
Vexual: youve never seen me bicycle home from the pub
asciilifeform: let's censor the digits of pi, while we're at it.
kakobrekla: only if its in CP
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's a theorem : for any jpg representation of a six year old riding a tumescent pig penis,
mircea_popescu: there exists a natural number indicating the first pi decimal at which that jpg representation can be found
asciilifeform: simon plouffe proved already.
mircea_popescu: whole and unabridged
asciilifeform: only problem is that said offset is typically much longer than the payload. but this may not be a problem for this use case.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i vaguely recall that as long as the payload is finite, so is the offset
mircea_popescu: but i don't remember who proved that one
asciilifeform: here's the fun part
asciilifeform: not part of the proof, afaik
asciilifeform: if you can put up with lossiness, you make the search considerably easier.
mircea_popescu: a good point
asciilifeform: the offset where the digits, using some straightforward bitmap view, can be Roscharched into the pic, is probably findable.
mircea_popescu: i change to "a recognisable depiction"
asciilifeform: 'pi pr0n search service.'
asciilifeform: who needs mersenne primes!
mircea_popescu: this should be a xkcd
mircea_popescu: "what are you doing all by yourself in the dark ?!"
mircea_popescu: "scanning the pi decimals for lez prons"
kakobrekla: just scan the moon with a qr gun until you get a small boy with a penis
kakobrekla: and with that line ill be leaving
truffles: so much downside to drinking alcohol
truffles: this "idea" so advance..
truffles: things that are easier to keep track of are hmmm
Vexual: just 22/7 and use your imagination
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mircea_popescu: pig theory proven
dub: <ThickAsThieves> is this theory not testable?
dub: I would hope somewhere someone is trying to prove it by mating pigs and monkeys
mircea_popescu: and pandas.
dub: mate all the things
Duffer1_: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=8639.0
Duffer1_: Ciphertrade
BingoBoingo: Can an S.PigFuckingaMonkeyFuckingaPanda be far away? I might have to see if Cryptostocks will list it...
asciilifeform: notably missing is: slavecoin.
truffles: Dr McCarthy thinks "the human race is a very good thing" so he may be wrong on others
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what was the response, "fuck you, we'll sell fior bitcoin " ?
asciilifeform: '23' being a u.s. corp, the response will probably be: doggy submission. followed by death.
truffles: Primecoin sounds nice
mircea_popescu: "We have received the warning letter from the Food and Drug Administration. We recognize that we have not met the FDA’s expectations regarding timeline and communication regarding our submission. Our relationship with the FDA is extremely important to us and we are committed to fully engaging with them to address their concerns."
mircea_popescu: meh. grow some backbone, ye land of the free ppls!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform mircea_popescu: Well it is run by on of the Googler's spouses so I imagine it will meet the same fate as so many google related projects...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: word is that mr. B has a new fucktoy
asciilifeform: and so 23 has lost its 'roof'.
asciilifeform: hence this turn of events.
mircea_popescu: "we have received large amounts of unsolicited mailings from various poseurs. sorting through all this crap takes time which would be better used otherwise. we are uninterested in the volunteered opinions of self-styled authorities, we intend to retain experts for answering any questions we may need answered and ingore anything else"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, I would have imagined it would just get ignored into oblivion. Then again unlike actually Google products they have an actual revenue stream in the form of recurring billing to maintain access to your results.
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asciilifeform: in other news, u.s. corps wake up to the fact that model choppers can deliver packages: http://www.amazon.com/b?ref_=tsm_1_tw_s_amzn_mx3eqp&node=8037720011
nubbins`: ^ sweet, they come with their own private keys and addresses so you don't need to worry about generating your own
asciilifeform: but hung up on red tape.
nubbins`: i'd get food delivered by drone, no sweat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember the old laser-in-eye terrorism post ?
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mircea_popescu: seems that's not exactly how it works out. market favours the "meth from the sky" approach
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure. down the chimney.
mircea_popescu: by the time the average city has > 100k of these in air at any given time
Vexual: im already prining the chimney qr codes
mircea_popescu: it'll be a riot to keep pumping the "nsa is doing an excellent job tracking everything!!1"
asciilifeform: of course, 'dead drop' solves the SR delivery problem, but it isn't techno-sexy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you are telling me that http://assets.makers.com/maker/Anne_Wojcicki_IMG_5679_A.jpg was dsomeone's fuck toy ?!
mircea_popescu: or did you mean fuckboy
mircea_popescu: get out of here.
Vexual: you get a portion of the btc delivery fee when you `obtain` and maintain a mesh drone
mircea_popescu: when, before google listed ?!
asciilifeform: the choppers are easy to build, one fellow i know cobbled together a classic design that lifts several full soda cans.
asciilifeform: putters along for 1/2 hr. or so.
asciilifeform: what changed? cheap 3-axis gyros.
Vexual: from phones
BingoBoingo: Maybe someone will scale up this idea to fire paintballs at any lenses mounted on drones http://trilema.com/2013/since-you-boys-are-printing-tanks-now/
mircea_popescu: the cost per lb hour of chopper should be in the 5 to 10 cents range, once you get it mass produced.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo usg drone fighting rc planes is definitely the thing of the future.
mircea_popescu: pewpewpew
Vexual: 30 minutes, or next time it's not windy
asciilifeform: the pill for usg drones: sail right into the tailpipe.
asciilifeform: no need for bullet
mircea_popescu: (actually, i wonder what a rc plane equiped with 4 ounces of acetone and a sparker would do to a drone carrying a missile)
Vexual: take off the paint?
asciilifeform: magnet, thermite.
Vexual: im pretty sure anyone who might actually want to down a drone would have better explosives
Vexual: and an rc plane is relly just another drone
asciilifeform: the famous (u.s.) drones are very much tooled for unarmed targets that can't afford so much as a binocular.
Vexual: lot of good binoculars are going to do
asciilifeform: no defenses, to speak of, no maneuvering ability.
BingoBoingo: Vexual: thermite is simple and avoids all of the pretense concerning explosives. That the ingredients are essentially rust and aluminum powder or filings means preventing its production is impossible.
asciilifeform: in the immortal words of an airplane designer: what can two machines do that no one, no matter how costly, cannot?
asciilifeform: be in two places.
asciilifeform: now try 1000 places...
mircea_popescu: i dunno... this thing doesn;'t look like a little flame throwing would take its paint off
mircea_popescu: it looks more like the end for gracie.
mircea_popescu: large unprotected air intake
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Vexual: honey! did you order something from amazBOOM!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 3m long, 100kgs
mircea_popescu: its the S-100 model modified
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asciilifeform: death from the air would be a little scarier if they so much as managed to get gps spoofing off the table.
Vexual: u can gps upside down with lasers
asciilifeform: i'd like to see what one of these does near... an ordinary spark gap.
Vexual: do they make a cargo model?
asciilifeform: Vexual: that's nearly an adult chopper, not comparable to the miniatures at all.
Vexual: yeah, fly em outta peru
Vexual: alibaba had some long range winged drones last year
Vexual: no longer
asciilifeform: Vexual: your local toy store still has them.
Vexual: big fuckers
asciilifeform: just needs a little extra sweat.
dub: gps spoofing is wild
dub: supposed to be pretty easy
asciilifeform: dub: why perforate enemy, take him home as a pet.
dub: rf hardening would be another question
asciilifeform: dub: the notion of rf-hardening a widget that includes a large antenna is a curious one.
dub: presumably you would harden in the defensive direction (down) while leaving a channel on the harder to target side (up)
Vexual: its not actually large though is it
asciilifeform: dub: the hypothetical was: a toystore chopper limpets on to the larger one. what ought to be in the former.
mircea_popescu: acetone im telling you.
asciilifeform: one fun possibility: toy turns its rotors 90 deg., they turn into... windmill generators.
asciilifeform: for the spark gap...
dub: cheaper yet, a parachute
Vexual: a magnet and a parachute
asciilifeform: need an uncommonly solid grip, for a drogue chute.
dub: of course they can probably mitigate it when they realise telemetry is not lining up wth flight plan
asciilifeform: flight plan, from the moment of limpeting, should be 'vertical.'
dub: not if for a rotating wing
dub: it'll just limp a bit
Vexual: aluminium magnets are expensive too
asciilifeform: dub: for rotating wing, payload is: piano wire.
dub: hard to deploy right
Vexual: a long one
dub: thermite wins anyway
asciilifeform: no magnets for Al. nail gun.
Vexual: better make that 1st shot count
dub: if you're aiming a gun make it an rf gun
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, horse hair
asciilifeform: for choppers, fly two toys, trailing piano wire between.
dub: otherwise the limpet needs to aquire taret and track
mircea_popescu: give it a slow death
Vexual: the theif could trail the piano wire in its path and hope for the tangle
asciilifeform: fishing line may even work, considering what will happen when the rotor winds it up.
asciilifeform: (suggested experiment: two tennis balls, fishing line, an old-style uncaged metal fan, an open field.)
mircea_popescu: usualyl in this sort of situation flexible > rigid
dub: I think you're going to need to get real lucky to tangle a cord in the prop
dub: need to attack from above basically
mircea_popescu: dub not if your fishing wire is part of a net.
Vexual: is that a little raddome on the top of tail?
asciilifeform: Vexual: sat uplink
Vexual: halfway down the tail
Vexual: or is that for shaft lube?
asciilifeform: before you know it, we're back to 1930s state of the art: barrage balloon.
Vexual: it can climb with better conmtrol than descend
asciilifeform: usg drone is built for specific work: plug unarmed man, in open field, by surprise.
asciilifeform: to expect that it will be sent to do some other job is odd.
asciilifeform: a different machine is called for, and will appear.
asciilifeform: rf is a more interesting countermeasure than pyrotechnics, because enemy machines can travel by land, sea, hell, sewer line, and not only by air.
asciilifeform: solve the general case.
Vexual: sewer drone?
asciilifeform: when the bureaucrats say 'asymmetric war' and piss their pants, they aren't specifically thinking of bedouins with ak
diametric: ah discussing the news about amazons drone delivery publicity stunt?
asciilifeform: but rather, anyone who can out-think the idiots.
mircea_popescu: where the idiots are themselves.
asciilifeform: naturally
mircea_popescu: "this war is asymetric in that the enemy chooses to not make the same exact mistakes we do"
Vexual: never heard of him
mircea_popescu: in this sense the us rebellion was asymmetric as seen from king george's palace.
asciilifeform: asymmetric: 'we are rich, they - poor, they oughta roll over and die fair and square.'
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
Vexual: war? what war?
asciilifeform: Vexual: 'you may not be interested in war, but war is quite interested in you.'
Vexual: ALL the money?
Vexual: is that one of yours ascii?
asciilifeform: trotsky!
Vexual: never heard of him
asciilifeform: btw, at the current max range of toy drone, one could achieve very similar results with: catapult.
Vexual: or a tennis ball
asciilifeform: (for product delivery, of things that don't mind being thrown)
asciilifeform: like most SR cargo.
Vexual: or an avalon
diametric: I really doubt that will ever come to fruition. It's just publicity. There's no way their attorneys are going to sign off on something thats going to have that much liability.
asciilifeform: diametric: it will be done. by people who don't care for legalities.
diametric: The potential damage to property and lives will be way to high. Anything strong enough to carry 5 pound packages is strong enough to kill someone.
diametric: asciilifeform: yeah
diametric: I still have faint scars from when I was playing with that one larger multirotor.
asciilifeform: everybody who builds toy choppers has the characteristic scars.
diametric: Or worse, there
diametric: There have been several deaths just this last year from them
asciilifeform: 'here comes the candle, to light you to bed. here comes the chopper, to chop off your head.'
Vexual: i lost one, fled immediately
asciilifeform: in the unlikely event of the 'legit' vendors using choppers, they'll go for enclosed airscrews. 'ufo' shape.
Vexual: remeber this bit of cgi genius?
asciilifeform: a modern Diogenes will die comically, 'ipad' crate falling on his head instead of turtle.
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asciilifeform: Vexual: this was widely believed, because they don't teach newton's 3rd law any more...
mike_c: ;;seen BingoBoingo
gribble: BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 46 minutes and 28 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> Vexual: thermite is simple and avoids all of the pretense concerning explosives. That the ingredients are essentially rust and aluminum powder or filings means preventing its production is impossible.
BingoBoingo: I'm here mike_c
mike_c: glad to see the gpg section! very useful stuff.
mike_c: i have recommended it to several people
BingoBoingo: Thanks mike_c
mircea_popescu: speaking of the diogene,
Vexual: never heard of him
KRS|gotyawallet: Gribble: magnesium in thermite too i think
diametric: KRS|gotyawallet: its used to ignite thermite
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Vexual: wrap the mag around a sparkler and flee
Vexual: factory stuff has mag and oxidised al
Vexual: and anti caking agent
asciilifeform: Vexual: and some taggants, likely, for 'smartasses'
Vexual: perhaps i was thinking of my multivitamin
nubbins`: re: drone copters
nubbins`: you can thank nintendo for cheap gyro sensors
Vexual: i thought that was pressure sensors?
thestringpuller: nubbins`: you mean apple
thestringpuller: nubbins` nubbins` nubbins`
thestringpuller: nub wub nubby dubby dub nubbins`
nubbins`: consider that a wii motion plus attachment fits in a child's hand, costs $25, and can track acceleration and movement along 3 axes
nubbins`: and communicates via serial
thestringpuller: wii motion plus you mean
Vexual: i think iphone had it b4 wiimote
nubbins`: ah, maybe
nubbins`: but wiimore is an OTS solution
nubbins`: *wiimote
nubbins`: seriously, a motionplus and an arduino sets you back maybe $50-60
nubbins`: and it's more than enough to keep a quadcopter in the air
Vexual: nintendo were the first to mass produce such accurate pressure sensores as in thw wiifit board
nubbins`: yeah, mass production is key
nubbins`: 3-axis gyros were around too
nubbins`: nintendo brought the economy of scale
Vexual: really?
Vexual: i always thought it was the other way around
nubbins`: ah, hm
nubbins`: i am kind of just making this up
Vexual: you're probably right nintendo>smartphone>gyrocopter
nubbins`: but that's what it seemed like in my head
nubbins`: anyway, there are tons of videos of people using wiimotes and nunchuks to control robots
Vexual: no, its the phone
nubbins`: you can probably just get gyro arduino shields for cheaper than a wiimote now anyway
Vexual: wiimotes must cost a bit, they dont even give you one with a u
nubbins`: that's because they give you a $250 controller with your u
nubbins`: and everyone with a u has an original wii ;D
nubbins`: altho i agree it's pretty stingy
Vexual: yeah, so return customers only
Vexual: and you cant sell your wii with no controllers
nubbins`: heh, nope
nubbins`: great if you have a wii and your buddy has a u, tho
nubbins`: 5-player games
nubbins`: some of the minigames in wii u party or w/e the bundled game is called are pretty cool
Vexual: i was looking forward to watchdogs on u sooner
Vexual: fuck the multiplayer and take my money
thestringpuller: Vexual you and everyone else in the gaming world.
Vexual: and wheres zelda?
Vexual: i want giant spiders!
nubbins`: giant spiders D:
nubbins`: would rather giant sliders
nubbins`: aka regular-sized hamburgers
Vexual: i made fist burritos and got food poisoning
Vexual: you never siad wash your knuckes
nubbins`: turns out the friction from your strikes wasn't enough to denature the proteins?
Vexual: maybe that was it
nubbins`: try soaking your fists in lemon juice first.
Vexual: and punch harder?
nubbins`: always
Vexual: id send you the log, but it's not really a log
Vexual: smarthouse my arse
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Vexual: im putting wiifit sensors under my toilets
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Vexual: check your guests for scoliosis
Vexual: and intestinal fortitude
Vexual: try that with an xbox, you'd be arrested
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mircea_popescu: this is pretty funny, guy now wants to work for me, admits he couldn't do as good a job as thje girl.
mircea_popescu: fascinating capitalism
asciilifeform: prescribe: seppuku?
Vexual: let him sweep the floor with no pay
asciilifeform: seems like it was invented for such occasions.
mircea_popescu: no see, this is the main reason i like the capitalism-democracy combo : i don't have to do anything.
mircea_popescu: if you live in some sort of more or less republican tyrany it is incumbent upon you to take in all the idiots.
Vexual: thats not the most funny outcome
mircea_popescu: but if you live in the heartless-est system ever invented, you can just nod and ignore.
Vexual: gentlemen would have another bet
asciilifeform: why ignore when you can laugh.
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mircea_popescu: well yeah, but i meant from his perspective. obviously from my perspective i'm laughing
Vexual: im sure it says somewhere breaking any rule voids any bet
Vexual: double or nothing would be at least twice as funny
mircea_popescu: yet you know, in imperial japan or soviet russia or republican rome it is not acceptable for some guy to go "i have no skills master but i would like to work" and he not be taken in, trained and worked.
mircea_popescu: in a democracy it's quite natural.
mircea_popescu: i don't know of any system where labour capital has a lesser value.
Vexual: we all must work within a framework
Vexual: if you bump your head on the scaffold of a construction site, you havent much hoipoe
mircea_popescu: hoi poloi ?
Vexual: hoi
asciilifeform: well in 'democracy' a polizei will bite you on the arse if you employ the unskilled fellow for the wage he's worth.
Vexual: i foirgot to puit ino moi doil foirm
mircea_popescu: exactly. it's actually illegal in the democracy to improve the capital value of labour.
mircea_popescu: the entire point of the whole thing is to make it so people are worthless and stay worthless.
Vexual: depends how its done mp
KRS|gotyawallet: mircea_popescu: do you have an example of that?
mircea_popescu: Vexual yeah, inasmuch as it's done to exhaust the person without any benefit then it's acceptable.
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet well yes, the entire discussion started with an example.
Vexual: australia is an interesting case
KRS|gotyawallet: whre its illegal in a democracy to improve the capital value of labour? You mean pay a man more than a woman for certain types of jobs?
Vexual: apprently all our medical records were dutifully compiled into the prism database
Vexual: but theres a few unions that will dissappear a politician
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet no, i mean put them in a position where their abilities and knowledge actually improve so that they are objectively worth more.
KRS|gotyawallet: ok i see
KRS|gotyawallet: thanks i didnt understand
mircea_popescu: the process through which the antique adolescens solidified into vir, ie, a man, is the typical increase in value. it includes such experience as killing others, and being responsible for the self in new situations and so on.
mircea_popescu: similarly, but more politely, the process through which the medieval youth moved from unskilled apprentice to skilled journeyman to actual craftsman on his own is similar
mircea_popescu: these all include two things : adversative education, which is to say education done forcibly, without bothering with the consent of the educated, and political power. neither exist in a democracy, thus reducing the youth to this situation of neoteny.
Vexual: i was on my mobile phone doing deals at the back in 94
Vexual: ill shut the flip when im good and ready bitch
Vexual: were about 5-10 years off the real info revolution
KRS|gotyawallet: On one hand we are talking about value, as it applies to labour which probably applies better to the context of capitalism and on the other hand we're applying that toward a democracy which doesnt necessarily recognize value, but rather mob rule.
Vexual: shits gonna get monkeypig
mircea_popescu: you can't escape value as such. it's there whether your current viewpoint hides it or not.
Vexual: hides what?
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mircea_popescu: "amy" is not exactly tradeable for one random individual. she's worth less than the average of 7 billion, which is already pretty damning.
mircea_popescu: in fact she may well be worth zero. that's an achievement, for a live human.
Vexual: and a phd in some bullshit noone wants to read flags you as a kneeler
asciilifeform: nobody is worth zero, in the uranium mines of vorkuta.
KRS|gotyawallet: worth zero to the society that supports her
KRS|gotyawallet: haha asciilifeform
asciilifeform: the fellows who stuffed their gloves with detcord and blew, well, you don't need hands to tramp the dirt
asciilifeform: nobody's a zero, everyone a hero there.
KRS|gotyawallet: As is everyone who stuffs their bags with blow.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i doubt.
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mircea_popescu: but this is the very point at hand : in the republican tyrani around vorkuta she might be discovered as somewhat valuable. in her hometown @ democracy, she's exactly zero.
Vexual: tending
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet no, worth zero intrinsically.
KRS|gotyawallet: Vexual: they speak funny there.
Vexual: thats my country brother
KRS|gotyawallet: I was just having trouble understanding the worth of labour as it applies to democracy, which is more suited for a discussion about capitalism.
KRS|gotyawallet: Vexual this is a serious issue
Vexual: sickness country
Vexual: they dont camp there for more than a night, let alone dig the shit up
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Vexual: labour is a free market, if you've got skills or whathaveyou, ask the price
Vexual: if you get hungry or borded or whatever, drop your price
Vexual: ask mp, he lived in communist romania, i imagine it wasnt much different
KRS|gotyawallet: i have a mexican i pay $100 for a day of labour on my property..usually twice a month..he normally makes $80 and works longer in on the farms picking vegetables.
KRS|gotyawallet: Companies pay him much less because he's an undocumented worker.
Vexual: i think capitalism is pretty hard wired into humans
Vexual: he is the company fuckwit
KRS|gotyawallet: i pay him moar because he works hard, is reliable and very trustworthy..i pay him his equivallent rate as a documented worker.
Vexual: its a one man fuckin union
KRS|gotyawallet: he CAN'T get moar wage here because he's illegally in our country.
KRS|gotyawallet: In return he works like two men when I only have to pay one.
Vexual: youre thinking manhours, where its output you want
KRS|gotyawallet: comparitavely its nothing to me, i easily drink twice as much as I pay him when I go to the strip club on the weekends to see tits.
Duffer1_: drink less
Duffer1_: pay more
KRS|gotyawallet: fuck off
Duffer1_: :P
Vexual: .com
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet so basically you're paying him more because he's worth it.
Vexual: id dumb it down another shade, but you know
mircea_popescu: the democratic system however ensures that he's well penalised for that.
KRS|gotyawallet: right, he does the work of two men and doesnt need to be managed
mircea_popescu: unlike amy
mircea_popescu: also unlike amy, he doesn't vote. he lives in a different system, which both explains him and makes sense to him.
KRS|gotyawallet: he lives in a VERY different system although he doesn't even live that far away from where i do
mircea_popescu: well that's basically my point. in his system, every person is valuable, and because oif that you end up with hard working people who aren't depressed.
mircea_popescu: in amy's system you end up with amy, who has no skills and no future.
Vexual: i blame amy
mircea_popescu: so to speak, you brought my example yourself :)
KRS|gotyawallet: ahh ok..yes.
mircea_popescu: now, if amy got to spend a few years on a mexican farm among mexican people who'd put her lazy ass to work rather than ask her about her feelings
mircea_popescu: she'd come back a marrigeable, useful and generally sane and adult woman.
KRS|gotyawallet: maybe pregnant too.
mircea_popescu: but this doesn't happen where she lives. why not ? because nobody gives a shit.
KRS|gotyawallet: capitalism wouldnt let that happen..in her system is she given the necessities to survive even though she doesn't work?
Vexual: you might be confusing capitalism with something else
KRS|gotyawallet: how so? in a capitalist society she wouldnt be given anything, she would have to do something in order to survive ie: make herself useful
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mircea_popescu: the way the capitalist democracy works is that she gets the bare minimum to survive, much like a cow in one of the insalubrous farms they invented.
mircea_popescu: up to her chest in shit, fed antibiotics to control the infection. everything at the bare minimum.
Duffer1_: even then it's almost not survivable
mircea_popescu: nobody can be bothered to give her a good lashing and put her to work, because this is more skilled and valuable attention than she "deserves".
mircea_popescu: consequently, she gets 2 hours of "therapy" and social media q.s.
Vexual: oldest society in the world
asciilifeform: "We shall escape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken in order to eat the breast or wing, by growing these parts separately under a suitable medium."
asciilifeform: who said?
mircea_popescu: and just like nobody botheres with amy i don't bother with that forum fuckwit and so the circle continues.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform either lincoln or churchil
KRS|gotyawallet: Pray to Jesus so the forum fuckwit can be saved and find salvation.
KRS|gotyawallet: LorenzoMoney heh I met him in person..cool guy.
KRS|gotyawallet: Hey there LorenzoMoney
Vexual: democratic capitalists, with violence
KRS|gotyawallet: Vexual: its very strange that foxes fly in your country..but then again I think some folks there even eat Bats.
Vexual: 40000 years, same shit, its human
KRS|gotyawallet: these are just giant bats dude..disgusting
KRS|gotyawallet: Any good?
Vexual: no idea
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