Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2013-10-30 | 2013-11-01 → ↓
Vexual: asciilifeform I'm sure I can find some kids to collect car wheel balancing weights for a six pack of light beer
asciilifeform: Vexual: best place to get astounding quantities of lead, cheaply, is... a boatyard.
asciilifeform: or maybe not anymore, with prices being what they are. 'peak lead'...
BingoBoingo: If you are brave enough to trek to Missouri there is still plenty in the rocks to be mined.
BingoBoingo: Doing things the official way would be expensive, but guerilla lead mining might be economical.
mircea_popescu: i used to have ~30kgs of lead soldiers
mircea_popescu: strangely enough they weren't unsafe for kids back then
mircea_popescu: somebody tell vragnaroda to come back
Vexual: is that a vampire?
mircea_popescu: just a naxi
Vexual: badman nonetheless im guessing
Vexual: im noot familiar with naxi
BingoBoingo: Anyone here have a CoinBr invite code?
Vexual: Xr8gh%!
ozbot: Bitcoin TOP-500 Richest
mircea_popescu: look who's back
Vexual: im opening the shyrah soon
Vexual: now that is the most delicoious smell anywhere
Vexual: you can tell the winmaker made 10million percent mopre than the pickers
Vexual: evily good
Vexual: old vines
Vexual: of course there are much older vine in europe
mircea_popescu: $vwap s.mpoe
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.0008168 high: 0.00082379 low: 0.00080585 volume: 105980 btc: 86.56439203 7 day: average: 0.0008168 high: 0.00082379 low: 0.00080585 volume: 105980 btc: 86.56439203 30 day: average: 0.00085145 high: 0.00094023 low: 0.00080585 volume: 1858684 btc: 1582.56985214
BingoBoingo: Sigh... The World Series BitBets can be resolved.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1805 @ 0.00046737 = 0.8436 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00082278 = 2.2215 BTC [+] {3}
Ademan: Havelock still looks down :-/
ozbot: What eating $115,000 in pig trotters reveals about Chinese local government debt – Quartz
dub: wats asicminers trotter spend I wonder
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00082298 = 11.0691 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00082371 = 3.0889 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: dub: Not sure. I've always found snoots to be a more delicious part of the pig.
dub: cam't go past the belly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00534998 = 0.5617 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.00535 = 1.3375 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00535 = 0.1873 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61 = 1.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00535 = 2.675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 86 @ 0.00535 = 0.4601 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61 = 1.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu S.MPOE dividends?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: jurov: New CoinBR rates come into effect when November 1st starts UTC?
jurov: eager to withdraw?
jurov: but yes, 1st november monthly fee will be lower
jurov: oh and that thing from Vexual don't look right
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
jurov: perhaps it was not meant as answer to coinbr refcode at all :D
ozbot: About CoinBr
dub: thats more better
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00535 = 0.535 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Ah jurov yeah I just started and account. I guess I'm depositing on the 1st then.
BingoBoingo: Eh, maybe I'm drunker than I thought.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61 = 1.22 BTC [+]
random_cat_: man, i had pig tongue the other day for the first time... what a treat
jurov: BingoBoingo: if you managed to successfully verify btc signature, then you're not drunk enough
jurov: (i deployed a patch yest that you can't register without doing that)
BingoBoingo: jurov: I actually did manage that, but that was right when I opened the bottle. Now the bottle is empty and there is one half glass left.
random_cat_: is bitfunder expiring?
random_cat_: err.. unwinding
BingoBoingo: random_cat_: Buttfunder is doing something...
random_cat_: is there a discussion somewhere?
jurov: check #bitfunder
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00535 = 0.2729 BTC [+]
jurov: but i don't see any unwinding there, just 'muricans and ppl who lost 2FA bickering
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00535 = 0.1605 BTC [+]
random_cat_: hmm... what's the 2fa bickering amount to?
jurov: if you lose your google auth key, you have to come to irc and pass battery of turing tests
jurov: such as, patiently waiting few hours for ukyo to appear. bots cannot do that.
random_cat_: o
random_cat_: :D
random_cat_: i'd think bots would be ideal for that ;>
random_cat_: i'm just logging in after a hiatus and seeing depressed prices + notices about position changes for 'us entities'
random_cat_: and very vague statements about withdrawals
random_cat_: looks like he's looking for KYC too
jurov: yes, KYC from everyone... but verifications seems to be stalled
random_cat_: how so?
random_cat_: ukyo isnt processing them?
jurov: i had to remind him to process mine after a week.. and others wait longer
random_cat_: ugh
BingoBoingo: jurov: Now CoinBr is going the MPEx route and AML/KYC can burn in hell?
jurov: Yes. I even paid for some research and it's no problem around here.
jurov: Actually, there will be a LLC listed as CoinBr operator soon :)
BingoBoingo: I just want to pick up some S.NSA before they start shipping.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: My latest blog post props to asciilifeform and Country Club(TM) Vodka for getting my paranoia up enough to write it. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/on-the-difficulty-of-securing-channels/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6594999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 68 @ 0.00535 = 0.3638 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo what made you miss the ipo?
kakobrekla: 11:32.10 ( jurov ) but i don't see any unwinding there, just 'muricans and ppl who lost 2FA bickering
kakobrekla: am i seeing jurov disctinct between merricans and people in general?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: To the extent I want to declare just I hadn't had a broker yet. To the question of whether I have an actual MPEx key or not I'd like to remain silent.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: This is Bitcoin. Plausible deniability is a feature.
kakobrekla: be my guest!
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Also to my regrets it is safe for those world series bets to be resolved...
kakobrekla: if i see correctly resolution comes in 12hrs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: For the red Sox. The Cardinals bet is safe to call lost.
kakobrekla: no worries, the mods will resolve it promply enough
kakobrekla: promptly
BingoBoingo: Cool kakobrekla. Thermos didn't kick you from Bitcointalk yet did he?
kakobrekla: i was banned
Scrat: why do they call it world series? only murrica is playing
kakobrekla: by some duchebag called 'BadBear' i think.
BingoBoingo: Eh, I'll add it to the Thermos scam accusation thread.
kakobrekla: anywho it expires in a month and a half or smth.
kakobrekla: dont lose any energy over it BB
BingoBoingo: Scrat: Because the Dominican Republic can't do everything.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] [PAID] 60.00000000 BTC to 40`000 shares, 150000 satoshi per share
BingoBoingo: ;;eauth bingoboingo
gribble: Request successful for user bingoboingo, hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/309BB8D7F3251143
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
BingoBoingo: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:29d77016adca25616623c9e60f4e8f1c00d0cdcb837d8212a69d1056
gribble: You are now authenticated for user BingoBoingo with key 309BB8D7F3251143
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2200 @ 0.00268682 = 5.911 BTC [+] {5}
BingoBoingo: ;;rate garr255 -5 auction shill bidding protected by Thermos on forum
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -5 for user garr255 has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 311 @ 0.00269638 = 0.8386 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00269999 = 0.108 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: At least even with the World Series loss I'm still at quite the net positive betting on BitBet
BingoBoingo: That S.Dice vs. S.BBEt bet was little short of a miracle. I mean other than the part where I expected Erik to get delisted sooner.
kakobrekla: I lost on that one iirc :)
BingoBoingo: I figured that one would win on contingencies related to delisting after his disappeared post IPO for a while
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.63532 = 6.3532 BTC [+] {5}
BingoBoingo: skinnkavaj: Good to see you joined. How many litecoins sucked your dick today?
skinnkavaj: BingoBoingo: Many
kakobrekla: whats the going rate for ltc now?
BingoBoingo: Last I checked LTC was worth barely more than 5 PeePeeCoins on the site that can't stop getting hacked https://vircurex.com/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] [PAID] 4.43000000 BTC to 886 shares, 500000 satoshi per share
kakobrekla: at .01 now
BingoBoingo: Seems ASICs are litecoin's only hope at ever having value again. Same problem dollars have, there aren't dollar ASICs yet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00779983 = 0.39 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 hours, 30 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <smickles> $avg
nubbins`: afaik, it's called "the world series" because of the name of the newspaper that first sponsored it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00534307 = 0.2084 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: HEALTH - "We Are Water" (Explicit Content) Lovepump United / City Slang - YouTube
nubbins`: ^ happy halloween, -assets
ThickAsThieves: happy halloween
ozbot: Neighbourhood Pool Watch: 14.6 Size matters: Investor bitcoin distribution at Just-Dice.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 169 @ 0.0010985 = 0.1856 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.593 BTC [-]
truffles: omg nubbins` dont kill her
nubbins`: keep watching!
truffles: pleasantly surprised the music isnt shit lol
truffles: oh my
truffles: not there
nubbins`: health is really good, i saw them play live a few years ago
kleeck: nubbins`, that's one of my favorite vids
nubbins`: kleeck, it's directed by Eric Wareheim from Tim & Eric, hey?
kleeck: Yeh.
kleeck: SUper good.
truffles: what genre is this?
kleeck: Noise Rock.
nubbins`: for all the good that'll do ya
nubbins`: i've never heard a band that sounds quite like health
pankkake: > 6 of your friends listen to Health
kakobrekla: cool stuff jcpham, seems like the density peak is at 12 btc or so
pankkake: surprisingly first time I hear of it
truffles: well if i could understand the lyrics id rate the band higher..
kleeck: I like a lot of Ambient/Instrumental stuff
nubbins`: truffles, the singer looks nothing like you'd expect
nubbins`: guy with the hat
kakobrekla: and a billion of investors with 0.08 btc
kakobrekla: no wonder they go there cause not much else to do with that ammt
kakobrekla: amount
ozbot: users/PirateMitten/salt => 6477256794 users/peapodayb8UQ => true earnrooms => - Pastebin.com
truffles: nubbins` i guess not
truffles: but they do remind me of a breathy female trying to do the sexy voice : d
nubbins`: haha
truffles: if they could speak up..
ozbot: Health - In Heat - YouTube
truffles: John Famiglietti, should do comedy : D
nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFL2UhlJfAA <<< the self-titled album is better
ozbot: HEALTH - Crimewave - YouTube
jcpham: yeah kakobrekla the distribution works about how you would imagine it work
jcpham: all the tiny dust investments
jcpham: and the 4 or 5 heavy hitters
truffles: high pressure days.. can actually hear vocals..
nubbins`: "Ghouls gone wild at local Halloween house"
truffles: like crimewave best
KRS-: Happy Halloween, the national holiday of Romania.
truffles: does dracula come out?
KRS-: I think so..during the day even.
truffles: thought that was only hybrids
KRS-: If you are standing around are you going to wait to figure it out if its a real Romanian vampire or a hybrid? I wouldn't..you'd be standing there by yourself! I'd rather be at the pub where there are people around.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.34999 BTC [+]
truffles: well if they are vamps u cant really out run em
jcpham: vampires glitter in the sunlight
truffles: twilight much
jcpham: nah dawg i read it on wikimedia
nubbins`: if you're at the pub, you only need to outrun the drunks
truffles: well their blood might be like poison so...
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
KRS-: what do you do then..maybe Mircea Popescu has seen one before..he woul dknow.
nubbins`: now that's a fucking sick coin
truffles: maybe he is one
kakobrekla: nubbins` sick? the bear is sick?
kakobrekla: looks healthy to me
nubbins`: nah, the other type of sick
nubbins`: "SICK coin, man!"
nubbins`: i guess maybe that's not a common usage of the word? heh
kakobrekla: nah im just trolln
jcpham: i ordered one of these titan bitcoins
truffles: english prob isnt his native language nubbins`
jcpham: but i think their two factor is crap so i asked for the privte key
nubbins`: i'm kinda done with physical bitcoins
jcpham: who the shit sells a physical bitcoin without funding it
nubbins`: i mean, i'm glad i have a bunch, because otherwise i probably would have lost them on shitty investments
jcpham: i kinda have a nice collection at this point and want to keep collecting examples
truffles: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 209.45002, Best ask: 209.99494, Bid-ask spread: 0.54492, Last trade: 209.45000, 24 hour volume: 8485.07872065, 24 hour low: 204.00000, 24 hour high: 216.46999, 24 hour vwap: 209.11730
kakobrekla: the margin on these coins is scamdiculus
nubbins`: but the premium on them is just so ridiculous
truffles: forgot that worked inhere!
kakobrekla: first.
jcpham: normally yes
nubbins`: not on my screen ;)
kakobrekla: you lag.
kakobrekla: the reality is here
nubbins`: supposing you lag!
jcpham: but the titan ones accept credit/paypal fake money
nubbins`: we need a second opinion
truffles: that coin is too pretty to be used as exchange
jcpham: about %20 premium
nubbins`: fuck
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
jcpham: fiat premium not bitcoinc premium
nubbins`: it's also a bit of a downer that casascius keeps cutting the prices of his coins after people buy them
jcpham: yeah i'm done with cas
nubbins`: shitty for people who bother to support him and buy early
kakobrekla: i bought before cnet wrote about it
kakobrekla: they were cheap then
truffles: sad coin too, its like all the ice is melting
kakobrekla: i think cheaper than at any later point
truffles: poor bear
nubbins`: truffles: like, or is?
jcpham: i only want the first series cas coins
kakobrekla: also back then the price you paid for that brass was cents
truffles: dunno, the background looks like clear water
kakobrekla: now its quite some dollars.
jcpham: i have a 2012 solid 10btc
jcpham: but everything is 2011
nubbins`: kako, like $40 for a piece of brass
kakobrekla: thats just SICK
nubbins`: sicker when the price drops so you have to sell yours at a loss in order to get a sale
kakobrekla: ill buy cas coins
kakobrekla: at spot value
kakobrekla: 1btc per btc
jcpham: i've gotten lucky and most of mine came from fiat purchases
jcpham: so i'm up in btc interms of investment value
kakobrekla: JU SO CLEVA!
nubbins`: i've still got the rarest casascius coins, as far as low-denominations go
nubbins`: not counting like the 100BTC bars and shit like that
jcpham: the 2011 25's are down to like 40 unredeemed
jcpham: those will keep getting rarer
nubbins`: 2013 silver 0.5 BTC with series 2 hologram, only 45 ever produced
kakobrekla: i bought those 1b to give away for new year presents and stuff
nubbins`: i had 12, now only 6 remaining
kakobrekla: reactions were mixed.
truffles: its bitcoin yay
nubbins`: kakobrekla: you should follow up and see if their reaction has changed
truffles: i want presents too
truffles: im ur biggest fan kako
kakobrekla: lolwat
truffles: ure being santa
nubbins`: yeah, i gave a friend a 0.5 brass some months ago for his birthday
nubbins`: i wonder if i should tell him it's worth like $150 now
truffles: my bday is coming up too
kakobrekla: you are rite truffles, i should shave and lose a few kilos
truffles: turning 36 shoudl be fun
nubbins`: anyway, i'm still into collecting coins, just not casascius coins
jcpham: the kilogram is getting smaller
jcpham: true story
kakobrekla: ill wait some more then
nubbins`: the canadian mint has some really nice ones every now and then
nubbins`: a lot of them are shit, but there are diamonds in the rough
truffles: kako ure fat?
nubbins`: fat is just a state of mind
ozbot: Royal Society meets to weigh up the shrinking kilogram | Science | The Guardian
kakobrekla: well not really fat but not skinny
jcpham: platinum you practical joker
truffles: nubbins` im trying to get out of mine haha
nubbins`: jcpham: imagine my surprise when i learned that the kilogram is defined as "this hunk of metal right here"
jcpham: it's a real thing
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: pretty tenuous
jcpham: history blows my mind sometimes
jcpham: the things we just accept
nubbins`: it's amusing that the meter is defined in terms of the distance a beam of light moves in x amount of time
nubbins`: and a kilogram is "this thing right here"
nubbins`: even more amusing that they literally cannot find a better way to define it
jcpham: mhhm
truffles: small details nubbins`
nubbins`: reminds me of this assisted-suicide case in the UK. the lady spent some time with her family on the day of the event, and one of the last things they did was sing "row, row, row your boat" together
nubbins`: i'll invite anyone who remembers to recite the lyrics for us
truffles: gentely down the street
truffles: merely merely something
truffles: but i cant sing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00268 = 0.1126 BTC [-]
nubbins`: had to pick my jaw up off the floor after reading that part of the article
truffles: wow my spelling is turrble
nubbins`: could be worse. how's your math?
truffles: haha
nubbins`: quadratic equation, no cheating, GO!
truffles: 2 +2 ?
truffles: oh that high umm
kakobrekla: nubbins`: 17
truffles: alternate verses so grim
kakobrekla: did i get it right?
nubbins`: close enough
nubbins`: truffles, a bit less whimsy than the original
truffles: didnt even rhyme
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1585 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: !t h cfig
assbot: [HAVELOCK:CFIG] 1D: 0.15850000 / 0.1585 / 0.15850000 (4 shares, 0.63400000 BTC), 7D: 0.12120000 / 0.1491759 / 0.25000000 (879 shares, 131.12561842 BTC), 30D: 0.07000001 / 0.13809552 / 0.25000000 (1388 shares, 191.67658817 BTC)
kakobrekla: whats with this thing anyway
kakobrekla: anyone?
truffles: i thought u were typing bitch for sec ..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 14 @ 0.00778999 = 0.1091 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 289 @ 0.0054 = 1.5606 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: me? im not like dat.
truffles: orly
kakobrekla: santa doesnt do that
truffles: haha
truffles: link us some stellar music santa
ozbot: Melvins Live at Amoeba - YouTube
nubbins`: great for halloween
bob____: nubbins`: they said they do have a better way. measure the amount of electricity required to move the mass
bob____: x amount of electricity = 1 kg
truffles: kako u recall saying my links to i forget name at moment was turble
nubbins`: fuck this, i'm plugging this melvins show into the fucking stereo
kakobrekla: well thats stellar for you.
truffles: why i got to download shit
truffles: melvins sounds good
truffles: so far
nubbins`: they're great
nubbins`: they added a second drummer a couple of years ago
nubbins`: plus they always get local artists to silkscreen posters wherever they tour, which i think is pretty nice
truffles: kako singular vid on utube?
kakobrekla: dunno from the top of my head would need to dig in the collection
truffles: nubbins` u mean spam?
truffles: did not notice the time limit on this
truffles: 40mins
nubbins`: full show
nubbins`: the whole thing is great
truffles: how come ive never heard of them
nubbins`: not sure
nubbins`: i'd heard of them for 15+ years before i bothered to give them a serious listen
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6383 = 1.9149 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3153 BTC [-]
nubbins`: then i wondered why i hadn't bothered to listen to them 15 years ago ;p
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2000 @ 0.00109881 = 2.1976 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: i have an annoucment to make, in a couple of hours ill be making an annoucment
truffles: song at 7min is pretty good
truffles: i guess its instrumental
truffles: and im not into instrumentals
nubbins`: you'll be into them by the end of this video
kakobrekla: bah these labcoin tactics arent working at all
kakobrekla: nothing on yahoo finance yet
jcpham: labcoin is still a thing?
nubbins`: kako, you forgot to tell us where to send our btc
jcpham: where is their asic
jcpham: kncminer delivered
nubbins`: haha, i forgot about the skinny drummer's vocals
kakobrekla: nubbins` the address is to be annoucned in the annoncment that just got announced
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00547754 = 0.5478 BTC [+] {5}
jcpham: what is this shoutcast
kakobrekla: anyway, im off to take a walk
kakobrekla: later dudes
jcpham: i'm in outerspace
nubbins`: peace
nubbins`: the crowd shots are great
nubbins`: mostly just hipsters with dead faces
nubbins`: but here and there you see some metalhead that's obviously in complete ecstasy
truffles: the drug?
nubbins`: the emotional state
truffles: not possible
nubbins`: turn it up louder
truffles: nah¨
truffles: i have perfect hearing
nubbins`: doesn't matter
nubbins`: this is meant to be listened at a volume just a notch or two below "uncomfortably loud"
truffles: nah, i tell my partner to turn it down all the time
truffles: he's like what i thought u hated rock lol
nubbins`: my neighbours are coke heads and hookers, i listen to shit as loud as i want :P
truffles: loudness isnt the issue, ill go deaf
truffles: r u new to this chatroom?
truffles: few ppl contribute to the music linkages
truffles: i imagine everyone to be coin counters otherwise
KRS-: access to the content isnt the problem but figuring out what to listen to is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00267 = 0.2537 BTC [-]
nubbins`: few months, i guess
truffles: krs u have trouble picking?
nubbins`: i gave up irc years ago, got sucked back in by some design work back in the summer
truffles: gimme a list n i can filter it for u
truffles: well at least u chat
jcpham: sucked back in.
nubbins`: jcpham: *schloop*
truffles: its like the perma hangout spot for bitcoiners
truffles: that lurk
nubbins`: i generally just chat about off-topic bullshit, only occasionally btc-related things
jcpham: i think of it more as real time collaboration and messaging software
KRS-: ya looking for fresh content..idk what though.
jcpham: at it's lowest form
nubbins`: occasionally conduct business here
truffles: i got booted from the chatty rooms though : (
nubbins`: truffles: song at 16:00 in that video is sick
truffles: im bound to piss off some1
KRS-: that new song lorde-royals..the singer babe looks like she has a fat face and also vaginal odor.
jcpham: collaboration and messaging based on common ideals whether realized or not
truffles: collaboration jcpham?
truffles: many things seem disjointed
jcpham: yes we are all collaborators or co-conspirators
jcpham: whether realized or not
truffles: if u think so
truffles: maybe im just looking at it too critically
jcpham: probably focusing on details and not what the technology enables generally
jcpham: the tech enables the spread of ideas
truffles: im not sure we're on teh same topic
jcpham: i'm usually a few ideas ahead
jcpham: i digress
truffles: 1 sec
truffles: got interrupted.. forgot my rant
jcpham: freenode is an organization, a disjointed entity of ideas and communication
jcpham: powered by realtime messaging and collaboration software
jcpham: if exxon wants to collaborate they spend money for software
jcpham: same for any group
nubbins`: i think calling an irc client collaboration software is a bit of a stretch
jcpham: nope
jcpham: it is exactly what is
truffles: so ambitous and optimistic
jcpham: some people do not collaborate
nubbins`: well, it doesn't offer any collaboration features beyond messaging itself
jcpham: communication
jcpham: it is basic yes
nubbins`: you might as well call the telephone a collaboration system
jcpham: yes
nubbins`: or a paper and pen
jcpham: yes
jcpham: those things are complex
nubbins`: actually, a paper and pen is a way better collaboration system than irc
jcpham: require much work
nubbins`: how about a small table with two chairs? a collaboration system?
jcpham: go away
nubbins`: you're defining the term into uselessness :P
jcpham: irc is collaboration osftware and we are all conspirators
jcpham: istand by it
truffles: lots of nerds on the internet
truffles: i guess they dont all agree
nubbins`: ehh, i think we're only diagreeing on semantics
KRS-: yeh
KRS-: useless
truffles: i just cant imagine squatting online n not communicating
truffles: i hope lots of private chats go on or some other special rooms
nubbins`: most of the day, i have this window minimized
truffles: dont mean that ppl have to be glued to the screen..
mod6: im excited to see how 'DarkWallet' turns out
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nubbins`: 29:00 in that melvins video i posted
truffles: i lost track, had to pause a lot
truffles: did not expect to complete it
truffles: i only like the 1
ozbot: MELVINS -"DIES IRAEA" - YouTube
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KRS-: hmm
truffles: krs one waiting on that list
truffles: today is music day for me
KRS-: what kind of music is this
KRS-: music day rules.
truffles: unlike other ppl i dont listen all day..
KRS-: this was a good movie
truffles: that movie u recommended was rly nice
truffles: felt some nostalgia even
truffles: bet u dont recall what
KRS-: been listening to the soundtrack from 'Breaking Bad' lately
truffles: just finished off watching the series
nubbins`: i've been listening to a lot of talking heads lately
nubbins`: that and sufjan stevens
truffles: i avoid those talking heads though
truffles: what r they about
KRS-: like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4a4Tooaaac
truffles: omg nooo
truffles: what is this
ThickAsThieves: i like sufjan
ThickAsThieves: Age of Adz on vinyl :)
truffles: if u must find some good flowing lyrics geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
nubbins`: i haven't listened to Age of Adz yet!
nubbins`: i've got illinois and michigan on vinyl
nubbins`: would love to have seven swans on vinyl, but it's never been pressed :(
truffles: "if u must" insert comma
ThickAsThieves: the newer stuff is much less indie/emo
ThickAsThieves: more wacky
KRS-: breaking bad was the best TV show I have ever watched in my entire life..(and I'm no youngin')
nubbins`: swans is i think ~2001-2002
truffles: best?
KRS-: THE BEST
truffles: its up there sure
nubbins`: only discovered it recently
truffles: well thats cuz walt was a genius
KRS-: I had to wait to watch it on netflix because i can't tolerate commercials.
truffles: he always knew all these random things
truffles: u must not be american haha
kleeck: ugh...
truffles: house of cards on netflix pretty good
kleeck: It's excellent.
kleeck: Can't wait for S02
truffles: there some other shows i enjoy but i doubt suited to the tastes of this room : d
truffles: "He also found that the machine could delete data and undo configuration changes with no prompting." dam
kleeck: ""We had an air-gapped computer that just had its [firmware] BIOS reflashed, a fresh disk drive installed, and zero data on it, installed from a Windows system CD," Ruiu said. "At one point, we were editing some of the components and our registry editor got disabled. It was like: wait a minute, how can that happen? How can the machine react and attack the software that we're using to attack it? Th
kleeck: is is an air-gapped machine and all of the sudden the search function in the registry editor stopped working when we were using it to search for their keys.""
kleeck: This is bad.
truffles: some genius made that one eh
kleeck: Mix this with a BTC Exploit...
kleeck: Clean wipe, new OS, EVEN LINUX.
kleeck: If interested check out what people are reporting in #badBIOS. Scary shit...
kleeck: "I lost another one yesterday confirming that's simply plugging in a USB device from an infected system into a clean one is sufficient to infect. This was on a BSD system, so this is definitely not a Windows issue.- and it's a low level issue, I didn't even mount the volume and it was infected. Could this be an overflow in the way bios ids the drive? "
truffles: im not techie
nubbins`: ""badBIOS," as Ruiu dubbed the malware, has the ability to use high-frequency transmissions passed between computer speakers and microphones to bridge airgaps."
nubbins`: :0000000000
truffles: whats the source of infection?
nubbins`: elves
truffles: im not following here, brand new pc?
truffles: not possible
kleeck: They don't know where it came from, but when you get it, it hangs on...
kleeck: Very low level.
truffles: "Dragos Ruiu was in his lab when he noticed something highly unusual"
truffles: solved
kleeck: #labProblems
nubbins`: kleeck, this is fascinating
kleeck: ""Really, everything Dragos reports is something that's easily within the capabilities of a lot of people," said Graham, who is CEO of penetration testing firm Errata Security. "I could, if I spent a year, write a BIOS that does everything Dragos said badBIOS is doing. To communicate over ultrahigh frequency sound waves between computers is really, really easy.""
kleeck: wut
kleeck: I've been in tech all my life, I've never known that communicating over ultrahigh frequency sound waves was really, really easy.
kleeck: The implication there is not good at all...
nubbins`: mildly surprised that plain old laptop mics and speakers can do it, at least
truffles: just contain mr ruiu and virus wont spread anymore..
truffles: he's just plugging his usb everywhere
kleeck: Holy shit, Ruiu said he arrived at the theory about badBIOS's high-frequency networking capability after observing encrypted data packets being sent to and from an infected laptop that had no obvious network connection with—but was in close proximity to—another badBIOS-infected computer. The packets were transmitted even when the laptop had its Wi-Fi and Bluetooth cards removed. Ruiu also disc
kleeck: onnected the machine's power cord so it ran only on battery to rule out the possibility it was receiving signals over the electrical connection. Even then, forensic tools showed the packets continued to flow over the airgapped machine. Then, when Ruiu removed the internal speaker and microphone connected to the airgapped machine, the packets suddenly stopped.
deadweasel: jump the air gap using MICROPHONES AND SPEAKERS...
deadweasel: holy shit.
truffles: slow pony weasel
deadweasel: truffles, eat a dick
truffles: i dont like em
bob____: it can't infect through speakers
bob____: but it can continue to communicate after infected through speakers/mic
deadweasel: ah, still reading.
bob____: supposedly
bob____: none of this has been verified by anyone but this one labrat I believe
nubbins`: probably a PR stunt to make the world aware of his epic villain name
deadweasel: probably, he didn't figure his USB was infected?
truffles: my theory is some1 tagged him in his lab
truffles: isnt that where most biological viruses are born
bob____: mircea is dubious
bob____: http://trilema.com/2013/badbios-aka-badlydonedamagecontrol/
ozbot: #BadBios, aka #BadlyDoneDamageControl pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
deadweasel: thanks bob____
mircea_popescu: Perhaps it was the warm desert wind, or the sound of the ocean, but for the first time in many weeks, I slept.
truffles: mp is usually wrong about everything
mircea_popescu: However, the dreams returned, but these were clearly not my own. I beheld a vision of a great man, the mage, Tal Rasha. You were there too Tyrael, I remember seeing you in my dream.
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mircea_popescu: kleeck i suspect dragos ruiu is having a nervous breakdown, honestly.
mircea_popescu: jurov yup s.mpoe divs go out today.
truffles: good to see u again deadweasel, nice to meet u nubbins`
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mircea_popescu: for whoever had heretical views with regard to box gaps.
kleeck: mircea_popescu, I'd much rather believe he is going mad than that badBIOS exists.
mircea_popescu: well going mad has this irrecoverable air to it. i'm thinking more in terms of, hasn't slept for 16 days, had a lot of coffee, is seeing things.
nubbins`: ehh, madness comes and goes
nubbins`: at least he didn't say flies poured out of the usb port after unplugging the stick or something
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kleeck: Unfortunately other security experts are confirming that this is all possible...
mircea_popescu: it IS all possible
mircea_popescu: just getting very unlikely
nubbins`: so the idea is that the initial infection, via usb or whatever, sets the groundwork for reinfection via HF audio?
deadweasel: nope, just 'repair'
deadweasel: active defesnse
nubbins`: guy said he flashed his bios and it came back
deadweasel: I want verification by a non-crackin' up researcher.
deadweasel: he used an infected USB to get it there?
KRS-: Mmmm womens butts.
deadweasel: big healthy ones?
KRS-: Teh bestest.
nubbins`: i don't know wtf people are doing putting USBs into airgapped machines anyway
kleeck: I think he was testing the transmission from USB
mircea_popescu: deadweasel well apparently he had it for 1 yr+ he says
nubbins`: i mean in general
deadweasel: i'd expect he's been using the same USB, or getting them mixed up, infected, uncleaned.
deadweasel: doesn't sound like his opsec is executed well. especially in mania.
mircea_popescu: i think he;'s a little manic atm. guy has been involved in the sort of shit all his life
mircea_popescu: (he;'s the original; pwn2own organiser)
mircea_popescu: and i guess he's ended up in this spot where he's dreaming it.
mircea_popescu: (this, of course, if it actually IS him)
nubbins`: turns out he's using a pre-infected version of windows he grabbed from the pirate bay
nubbins`: i wonder how many people are holding fat bitcoin wallets on pirated OSes?
Namworld: ... lol
Namworld: "Imma just put these 2000 BTC on this computer with a pirated Windowz because I'm cheap like that. Where would I get that kind of money to get a license anyway?"
kakobrekla: like the license does you any good
mircea_popescu: contrary to popular belief, most pirate software isn't infected.
mircea_popescu: also contrary to older but just as popular belief, girls that enjoy sex aren't usually carrying vd.
mircea_popescu: the former is a corporate pr effort. the latter a gov't pr effort. people got interests, yo.
Guest20498: /g/sb g end
kleeck: wut
bob____: and for the record, 67% of statistics are made up
bob____: my friend has a pirated addiction (actual friend, not me). and he always ends up infected.
bob____: *pirated software
bob____: so through the power of empirical evidence, a lot of pirated software is infected
kakobrekla: keep an unecrpyted wallet with a some change on your computer for early warning system
kakobrekla: on a lappy or so
mod6: there's an idea
mircea_popescu: security isn't about not being stolen from at all.
asciilifeform: the 'badbios' discussion is distinctly 'cryptozoological' in flavour.
asciilifeform: 'nessie really WAS there! but i, um, forgot my camera.'
asciilifeform: offered a camera. 'she won't show up on film. magic pixie dust shielding.'
bob____: has he started asking for donations yet to support his research?
ozbot: TSMC shows off production 20nm and 16nm dev wafers | SemiAccurate
mircea_popescu: bitcoin ipo using stolen material from there in 3, 2...
kleeck: :)
asciilifeform: bob____: one can get everything needed to verify the claims for < $1k.
Ukto: random_cat_: its not that i am not processing things, its that all tickets are being handled in order. and i am trying ot help 2fa resets here in the middle
smickles: ;;seen usagi
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topace: SUPERMEGAMININGMEGACORP is pleased to announce our new IPO, to raise $5million dollars to roll out 16nm ASIC MINING in partnership with TSMC. On the 20nm front the wafers are not just in production, there are devices on the market using it that you can buy. No word on the higher performance variants but the SoC process is good to go. 16nm as the label suggests is still in development and that is
topace: Please your BTC pre-purchase to 1XSUPERMEGAMININGMEGACORP
kakobrekla: says invalid address.
mircea_popescu: send it anyway!
kakobrekla: button is stuck
mircea_popescu: Ukto 2fa resets are the suck
kakobrekla: luke, fix it
Ukto: mircea_popescu: i have something coming up that will solve the issue.
bob____: gpg?
Ukto: for all users. :P
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bob____ there's such a thing as claim analysis. if you make a claim that has about 10% chances that's a 10% chance. if you make twenty claims each with 10% chances that's 10^-18%
Ukto: came to a decision on the change over the last few days
smickles: Ukto: sqrl?
Ukto: far easier.
smickles: easier than sqrl?
smickles: no way
Ukto: :P
Ukto: I'll prolly post about it in the next day
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my problem is less with the (truly) extraordinary claims, but the complete lack of any sign of a desire to share the extraordinary evidence.
Ukto: I need a lot less work from things that cost more more than I make.
smickles: sqrl is like, click a link /snap a photo == securely logged in
Ukto: to focus on launching the big fish
Ukto: yes
Ukto: once you read teh post you will understand why its so simple
Ukto: and btw, long time no see :P
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah. i can see that.
Ukto: so quiet in here with btct gone -_-
bob____: asciilifeform: agreed. me too.
asciilifeform: a logic analyzer isn't a nuke sub, you don't need to 'live the supernode lifestyle' to buy one.
asciilifeform: and if you can afford a motorcycle, you can afford an 'ICE.'
mircea_popescu: i could see a situation where he doesn't know how to use it and doesn't trust anyone to. this situation, obviously, can't stand as an explanation.
asciilifeform: if i found myself in that position, the last thing i'd do is crow to the media.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mod6: (09:54) < asciilifeform> a logic analyzer isn't a nuke sub, you don't need to 'live the supernode lifestyle' to buy one. << lol!
asciilifeform: the fellow is supposed to be something more than a generic nobody
asciilifeform: but a 'respectable' researcher of some stature
mircea_popescu: moreover, his various events all relied on relations with people who actually understand compsec.
mircea_popescu: i find it very difficult to grasp that ruiu suddenly has nobody to turn to. the REAL ruiu that is.
nubbins`: i, for one, welcome this new fake ruiu
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nubbins`: pretty sure there's a halloween joke in there somewhere
mircea_popescu: Babe-Bolyai University in Cluj-Napoca
mircea_popescu: it's Babes!
mircea_popescu: ;;google victor babes
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mircea_popescu: they got the hungarian dood's name right ffs.
mircea_popescu: "babe" means hags
smickles: oh snap, this site just delivered on zero confirms from a tx that was sent from a client 4 weeks out of sync
mircea_popescu: poor them. prolly nice to drop them an email.
nubbins`: hags
nubbins`: any of you guys heard of the "old hag" lore?
smickles: it's great customer service tho :D
nubbins`: really big around here
mircea_popescu: i heard of the concept ? what you mean ?
nubbins`: i was just reminded of it when you mentioned hags
nubbins`: i did a folklore course (just one!) in university when we discussed this
nubbins`: prof says "anyone here been hagged?", 5 hands shoot up
mircea_popescu: random_cat_ you should try veal tongue
nubbins`: prof asks one of the 5 to explain what a hagging is
nubbins`: "now, anyone here been hagged?" 60 hands shoot up
mircea_popescu: shagged a jag?
mircea_popescu: the rhyming dictionary would kick ass. "hagged = shagged a jag"
nubbins`: i think there is a rhyming dictionary
mircea_popescu: Scrat: why do they call it world series? only murrica is playing << lol. i once saw briefly on the highway this ad "World Famous X. Best in North Carolina!"
mircea_popescu: some eatery or something musta been
mircea_popescu: well this log is too much to read. i hope i didn't miss anything good.
nubbins`: mostly just a discussion of the melvins
Namworld: Here's an interesting spam transaction on Silkroad's seized coins address: https://blockchain.info/tx/0e8a3dfd2f734233dd8fceb82a1c0c3a3af0373101dc8f13cf13fb5ff7786f63
nubbins`: hahahahahahahahahaha
nubbins`: amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Namworld: I've seen worse begging
kleeck: Someone give that dude a BJCoin.
smickles: shit
nubbins`: or at the very least, a masturcoin
smickles: total receive at the bj-wanter
nubbins`: masturbit?
smickles: 844 btc
kleeck: How cool would it be to have universal prices for sexual favors. No matter the country, one BJCoin would cover it. Oh, colored coins, you cannot come soon enough!
mircea_popescu: that's nonsense.
kleeck: "Um excuse me, boy! That's a BJcoin, this is going to cost an AnalCoin!"
mircea_popescu: if it cost the same in all countries i'd buy a million handpicked chicks and go start a new country where the bj is 10x.
kleeck: I'd allow it.
mircea_popescu: problem solved.
smickles: bj arb
kleeck: The free market always finds a way.
mircea_popescu: you know, a year ago when the something awful muppets were all "o no, bitcoins have no value"
mircea_popescu: i went "stfu, it's based on blowjobs"
mircea_popescu: and they got butthurt and banned me
kleeck: lololol
smickles: silly goons
mircea_popescu: apparently sa people can't stand the idea of working for a living.
kleeck: Blowjob backed currency.
smickles: mircea_popescu: are you against the goons in eve then?
kleeck: "It's backed by the mouths, cocks, and vajayjays of THE PEOPLE you fascist sluts!"
mircea_popescu: actually, it's not that they banned me.
kleeck: SexCoin
mircea_popescu: they made the proposition that the value of something can rest on sexual favours a bannable offence
mircea_popescu: then they banned me according to the new regulation.
kleeck: When my friends are trolling me they call Bitcoin "CrimeCoin" and it's usually after something like the Trendon Shavers arrest, or Silkroad bust.
kleeck: "Hey man, sorry about your CrimeCoin tanking. Tough luck."
smickles: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 210.10579, Best ask: 212.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.89421, Last trade: 210.08073, 24 hour volume: 7707.41836602, 24 hour low: 204.00000, 24 hour high: 214.47587, 24 hour vwap: 208.55587
kleeck: lol
kleeck: It's not tanking now, smickles.
kleeck: breathe easy.
smickles: i usually make a profit when it tanks
nubbins`: i mentioned to a friend a few months ago that i made a bunch of money buying and selling btc-denominated securities. a couple of days later, he says "did you ever make any more money with that scam after?"
nubbins`: rather than explain, i just said "yes"
mircea_popescu: as far as government employees, people on the government dole and unemployable youths are concerned,
mircea_popescu: this entire "not done by govt = scam" angle won't be hard to push
nubbins`: y'know, you could draw a venn diagram with those 3 groups and have a sizable common area in the middle
mircea_popescu: ya think ?
nubbins`: 27ZXLq4
ll: ;;genrate 40000
nubbins`: i mean
gribble: The expected generation output, at 40000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 390928787.638, is 0.0514576088877 BTC per day and 0.00214406703699 BTC per hour.
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nubbins`: a bit cheeky, maybe, but you get the idea
mircea_popescu: "unemployable youths"! don't mix my cocksuckers into your ven voodoo
nubbins`: the area where all 3 interesect is called "paid work terms"
ll: ;;genrate 400000
gribble: The expected generation output, at 400000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 390928787.638, is 0.514576088877 BTC per day and 0.0214406703699 BTC per hour.
nubbins`: consider the diagram suitably amended
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nubbins`: heh, saw that
nubbins`: i think the take-away is that mp == goat
mircea_popescu: it's funny tho, because she has a point.
mircea_popescu: every summer to date there was a hot company that passed s.mpoe
mircea_popescu: by autumn it was done
mircea_popescu: basically, a bunch of btc finance is powered by summer vacation.
mircea_popescu: kids get all excited in may, invest their allowance, dream about how they'll be rich "in the future" = next week, and how they'll start a family with beck tatcher down the aisle
mircea_popescu: also next week.
mircea_popescu: then school starts, another year of toil, summer dreams and hopes dashed on the jagged shore of reality
mircea_popescu: and so it goes.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what 2014's mayfly will be.
nubbins`: i've got a reasonable guess
ozbot: Medical marijuana spinoff firms look to cash in on new rules - Canada - CBC News
nubbins`: 450,000 med pot users in canada by 2024. that's billions in revenue every year even at bargain-basement prices
mircea_popescu: baby, if it's legal it won't be 1/4 mn.
mircea_popescu: it will be 5mn or some shit. ppl will move to canada just for this.
mircea_popescu: they don't have a job anyway, might as well live somwehre da police ain't husslin them for pot.
bob____: summer in the northern hemisphere or southern?
nubbins`: of course, whenever full legalization comes around, there will already be a massive, massive legal growing industry already in place
nubbins`: interesting times ahead
KRS-: omg smoking cigarettes while on blood pressure meds is giving me a helluva buzz..this should be illegal =D
nubbins`: unauthorized mental state
KRS-: right
nubbins`: try taking altitude-sickness drugs and having a beer.
nubbins`: 0/10, would not do again
KRS-: haha ok when i get bored and im out of drugs i will
nubbins`: "why are my hands vibrating?" followed by "and my arms", followed a few minutes later by "oh fuck now it's in my face, i need to lie down"
KRS-: HAHA sounds like fun
nubbins`: they really weren't joking with the "do not take with alcohol" sticker on the bottle
mircea_popescu: i never take shit you can't take with alcohol.
mircea_popescu: fucking poisonous
nubbins`: ;;ud blow stamps
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blow+stamps | low Stamp noun. /blō•stamp/ 1. A LEET-ish speak word for 'bitcoin' accidentally coined by a 94-year-old grandmother on October 29, 2013.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: blow stamps
nubbins`: ^ some kid on reddit who bought his grandma some btc a few years ago
nubbins`: "how are my blow stamps doing?"
mircea_popescu: how is this in the ud
nubbins`: the free piece of shit dictionary that anyone can edit
mircea_popescu: o o i c :d
Namworld: [13:34] <nubbins`> unauthorized mental state
Namworld: You dislike the government. That's an unauthorized mental state that leads to chaos. stop right this instant lest you want to be corrected with these correctional instruments.
smickles: ^gold
nubbins`: rhetoric aside, that's exactly what it is
nubbins`: it's even more bizarre when you consider that there's a legal medical marijuana industry in canada
nubbins`: "this is okay for sick people to smoke, but if healthy people smoke it, terrible things will happen"
nubbins`: glossing over the fact that the majority of adult canadians have, at some point in their lives, smoked pot
nubbins`: there's a guy here in my town that runs a massive hydroponic lettuce operation, i wonder if he's been eyeing these new regulations
smickles: sounds like an easy transition
nubbins`: well, yes. smart guy, he rented out part of his building to a laundromat and captures their waste heat to keep the grow areas warm
smickles: damn
Namworld: genius
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 676 @ 0.00108245 = 0.7317 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: if i were the laundromat i'd sue.
mircea_popescu: he can settle out of court and that way i don't have to go through discovery.
nubbins`: sue on what grounds
mircea_popescu: unjust enrichment.
nubbins`: shrug, pretty sure they came to a mutual agreement
mircea_popescu: or that.
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P200T] 180 @ 0.55541669 = 99.975 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: 100 on red!
smickles: $avg
mpexbot: smickles: 199.80
bob____: insane
bob____: break-even is what, 90?
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 200 / 1.555
gribble: 128.617363344
mircea_popescu: breakeven is around what it was a month ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 130.69702147 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 26 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: did i fuck it up again ?
bob____: someday i will internalize how that works. so on excercise he will pay 1btc and get strike/spot.
dexX7: do you adjust option prices frequently?
bob____: dexX7: yeah, the market maker bot moves the price often
dexX7: ah, how are prices determined?
jurov: $t m s.mpoe
jurov: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0008131 / 0.00081904 / 0.00082371 (81952 shares, 67.12 BTC), 7D: 0.00080585 / 0.00081779 / 0.00082379 (125880 shares, 102.94 BTC), 30D: 0.00080585 / 0.00085106 / 0.00094023 (1875046 shares, 1,595.78 BTC)
jurov: !t m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00046 / 0.00046737 / 0.0005 (1805 shares, 0.84 BTC), 7D: 0.00046 / 0.00068456 / 0.00071 (21805 shares, 14.93 BTC), 30D: 0.00046 / 0.00064054 / 0.00071 (30105 shares, 19.28 BTC)
ll: ;;diff
gribble: 3.9092878763808584E8
ll: ;;next
gribble: See latest update from Onefixt here: https://twitter.com/BitcoinOracle/
ll: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 267143 | Current Difficulty: 3.9092878763808584E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 268127 | Next Difficulty In: 984 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 15 hours, 23 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 494972701.994 | Estimated Percent Change: 26.61454
KRS-: Hi =D
ozbot: WE WANT ANSWERS Why were M'sian students forced into sex work in Australia?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.005699 = 0.1767 BTC [+]
kleeck: Anyone here know what a ball park for how many chips to expect in a "Test batch"?
dexX7: max 4 :p
kleeck: Anyone else...
kleeck: :P
dexX7: haha
kleeck: Is it in the hundreds? thousands?
kleeck: I just don't know.
mircea_popescu: kleeck whose test batch ?
kleeck: In general.
mircea_popescu: there is no in general eh ?
kleeck: So it varies based on fab?
mircea_popescu: one wafer is usually a reasonable way to go about test chips, but depends how many chips you cut to the wafer.
kleeck: Gotcha
mircea_popescu: well yes, it varies on the chip, tyhe fab, who's doing it etc.
kleeck: wafer is a good point.
mircea_popescu: yes, as a rule of tumb. but maybe you tacked your test run into an incomplete other wafer.
mircea_popescu: people do this all the time. whether they be students getting a freebie or a corp dept piggubacking on another's job.
kleeck: I see.
mircea_popescu: you could also be big enough to cut 12 test wafers cause you need a lot of tests.
kleeck: So is this normally negotiated with the fab?
mircea_popescu: it's just a term with no direct meaning. depends what whoever said it meant.
mircea_popescu: like "pretty"
kleeck: Heh.
kleeck: Gotcha. That gives me some clarity.
kleeck: Hah. You missed our talk about #badBios earlier, Jurov. I too was lamenting it's beauty.
mircea_popescu: jurov it also uses our collective sisters to spread by now.
jcpham: the only way to stop it is toput duct tape over your speakers
deadweasel: 'Our Collective Sisters' sounds like an Emo band.
mircea_popescu: actually it does huh.
deadweasel: it's a little too incestual for me tho..
deadweasel: sounds like we're sharing our sisters, which I would never do. SHE'S ALL MINE....
deadweasel: oops, wait..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.0056979 = 0.1481 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i'd share your sister
mircea_popescu: with all my friends.
deadweasel: You would, she's fine. But she'll kick your ass if you disrespect her. I taught her well.
deadweasel: i'm not sure if gang-bangs fall under the heading of 'dis-respect' for her, but I would guess so.
kleeck: pics deadweasel.
kleeck: now pics
kleeck: pics, do it
kleeck: post them
kleeck: now
kleeck: do it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1204 @ 0.00109547 = 1.3189 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: +1 for pics
kleeck: oh yea.
kleeck: sorry.
kleeck: was distracted by science.
kleeck: PICS deadweasel !
kleeck: NOW
kleeck: DO IT
kleeck: Don't delay.
pankkake: unless she's too old
kleeck: Yeah. if she's old photoshop the wrinkles out first.
kleeck: Then post it.
kleeck: DO IT
kleeck: now.
kleeck: Show us
jcpham: boobs!
jcpham: boobs out, shoe on head or didn't happen
kleeck: faggets?
kleeck: uh-oh
kleeck: assets is turning into 4-chan... ITS HAPPENING
deadweasel: Boy, I'm glad I returned...
deadweasel: here come pics
ozbot: Eh
deadweasel: ok, i'm off the clock, enjoy!
pankkake: but not off the cock
Namworld: I'm dizzy...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [+]
Namworld: I hope they get one of those needless blood sugar tester out there and working for an affordable price.
mircea_popescu: what are they now, 5 btc ?
Namworld: Actually they're probably available and cheap now.
Namworld: Not that I require one, but it would be nice.
KRS-: should be free
Namworld: Looks like it's still not available
Namworld: Since I'm in Canada, it probably is for people that requires it. No clue.
nubbins`: how do you test your blood w/o a needle?
Namworld: Some companies are getting close apparently. It's getting more accurate.
jurov: bah, just taste it how sweet it is
Namworld: Through light or something, and infering glucose content from that. I forgot how they do it.
jurov: they measure refractive index
nubbins`: like you just point it at your skin?
nubbins`: still confused
jurov: dunno how the needleless ones work
Namworld: No idea, there's no such device out yet.
mircea_popescu: jurov i was gonna say, "just have your gf taste your pee"
mircea_popescu: but then i abstained.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile back at the fde camp,
ozbot: Enclosed, but not encrypted - The H Security: News and Features
jurov: so what,one has to diy everything... that reminds me i should find or made myself a fkn serial cable soon
mircea_popescu: jurov well... NSA!
jurov: at least i *hope* serial controller can't be reprogrammed via bios
jurov: ...er...i mean bios via rs232
asciilifeform: jurov: solution: not necessarily DIY, but to use a system that can at least be verified to 'do what it says on the box'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00615033 = 0.1845 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.32000001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1425 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 58 @ 0.00516912 = 0.2998 BTC [-] {5}
pankkake: my favorite is defitively the fag buys music. buying digital stuff, worse, drmed stuff, should be subject to public humilation
mircea_popescu: buying drm stuff indeed.
mircea_popescu: like, you know, ipads.
pankkake: or kindles that have the wonderful feature of remote deletion of books
bob____: i feel sad for that 0.1425 btc that just went to CFIG, never to be seen again.
ThickAsThieves: is CFIG a scam now too?
pankkake: I wonder why 100 BTC of it was bought last week
bob____: the panamian bank that wants to raise a shit ton of money with not much of a plan what to do with it? seems like it to me.
mircea_popescu: which one is cfig ?
ozbot: [HAVELOCK] Crypto Currency (CFIG) Official Thread
ozbot: View the profile of Crypto Financial
mircea_popescu: july 2013 anon forum member starts a bank
mircea_popescu: a well./
pankkake: "Members of this company are currently board members in a Medium size bank in Panama." (well, it might be false)
mircea_popescu: this vagueness has never went over well.
pankkake: latest news was "Crypto Financial (CFIG) is pleased to announce that we will begin to accept applications for our Fiduciary Financial Services and Trading Platform during the month of November, 2013."
bob____: to stockholders only though. buy your shares quick!
bob____: so, to be clear, the fact that they are accepting applications means they have *already* cleared all the regulatory hurdles they said they need to start this real, offical bank. What's the name of that bank again? I suppose I should be able to look it up if its real and regestered and everything.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 691 @ 0.00538615 = 3.7218 BTC [-] {17}
bob____: hmm, but i guess development still needs a few months.
bob____: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=269191.msg3344439#msg3344439
ozbot: [HAVELOCK] Crypto Currency (CFIG) Official Thread
bob____: but apply now!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00775 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: Announcing G.ASICMINER, AM100, and TAT.ASICMINER temporary conversion services: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg3452278#msg3452278
pankkake: G.ASICMINER to AM100. clever :p
ThickAsThieves: and AM100 to direct (for a fee)
pankkake: oh, that one is nice
bob____: examples are a tad confusing though. if i have 1000 AM100 shares i can't send 1050 to you :)
ThickAsThieves: i knew there would be some things i couldnt just say quickly
ThickAsThieves: but hopefully anyone interested can sort it all out
bob____: yeah
ozbot: [HAVELOCK] Crypto Currency (CFIG) Official Thread
nubbins`: re: cfig
nubbins`: the hilarity of this is that Virtex now offers this exact service
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.60827151 = 6.0827 BTC [-] {6}
nubbins`: but with CAD instead of USD
nubbins`: and, y'know. virtex is real.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.6012 = 9.018 BTC [-] {2}
topace: nubbins`: what service ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00775 = 0.775 BTC [+]
topace: the bank card ?
nubbins`: yeah
topace: ah
topace: but its onyl CAD, though i suppose it would work outside canada as long as its on the "interac" network
topace: and the card is only availbale to canadians
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 944 @ 0.00020959 = 0.1979 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: too true, what's the international one? PLUS network or something
topace: i could have done a creditcard for canadianbitcoins 12 months ago
topace: still could now if i wanted to
topace: but i decided against it
topace: becuase the fee's sucked
topace: $6 load fee, $3/month fee, $1.50 usage fee, $2.00 cash withdrawal fee, etc
topace: prepaid creditcard that is
topace: i have a pile of them sitting on my desk still
nubbins`: $$$$$
topace: they get ya on the fee's
topace: and i didnt want my customers getting raped up the ass
topace: so i decided not to do it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 150 @ 0.00073649 = 0.1105 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: yeah, if you're gonna just replicate the bank setup but with BTC backing it, what's the point, right?
nubbins`: virtex debit is a bit lighter on fees, but still to steep for me to bother signing up
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> i knew there would be some things i couldnt just say quickly << maybe offer a cash settlement ?
mircea_popescu: strictly as a convenience so people d on
nubbins`: i think the real draw is that it's more convenient than direct deposit for withdrawing your funds
mircea_popescu: 'rt end up with fractionaries in 50 symbols.
mircea_popescu: the last 50 can be turned to 0.3btc or w/e.
ThickAsThieves: the problem is the price is pretty damn volatile right now
mircea_popescu: well it being a courtesy service, you take a safe margin i guess.
ThickAsThieves: maybe, i'm just testing this out for now
ThickAsThieves: already a lot to it and going in
ThickAsThieves: i know people have wanted both services for a while
ThickAsThieves: any service i could offer to buy back odd amounts would surely net the holder less than selling em at market
mircea_popescu: a, i thought the mkt was closed on that particular symbol. nm.
ThickAsThieves: for some people (US) it will be closed tomorrow
ThickAsThieves: I have been selling some people's shares for them, whom didnt want to migrate anywhere
ThickAsThieves: as unofficial service of sorts
Ademan: ThickAsThieves: what will be closed tomorrow?
Ademan: oh, btct.co? I thought you meant something would be closed to US customers tomorrow
pankkake: bitfunder is closed to US on November 1st
ThickAsThieves: BTCT.co is closing and Bitfunder will disallow selling from US accounts
ThickAsThieves: Us users can still have accounts on BF til Dec 2nd
ThickAsThieves: to collect divs or such
Ademan: Ah, as long as we're not talking about havelock (yet :-( )
Ademan: how do they determine who's in the US anyways? Is it just by access location?
Ademan: Also a surprising amount of no bets, although Nov 5 is a pretty short timeframe
Ademan: ThickAsThieves: You manage AM1 on Havelock as well right? Will you be doing PT conversions if that were to happen?
Ademan: er sorry, direct conversions
ThickAsThieves: AM1 already allows it
ThickAsThieves: and i get fresk copies of the shareholder list twice per day
Ademan: I guess I'd have to just dump all of my AM100 in that case though huh?
Ademan: that'll be a great day for international investors at the expense of US ones...
ThickAsThieves: well if you choose the specific scenario where you might lose something in some possible future, well, you always lose, no?
ThickAsThieves: the odds are that given the avenue, things will get sorted
Ademan: Are you interested at all in colored coins?
dexX7: mastercoin seems to push it forward constantly with new contests and rewards
Ademan: I want it to work cause I'd love to avoid future exchange closures
pankkake: I fail to see how that solves the exchange issues, it looks like just a fancy way of having direct shares
Ademan: I was about to say heh
dexX7: mastercoin has an orderbook based on tx
Ademan: On the other hand, if an exchange closes where you bought a colored coin based share, you don't have to liquidate it or worry
Ademan: dexX7: ah awesome, I actually didn't know that
mircea_popescu: Ademan you are aware mpex is the oldest right ?
dexX7: but the concept seems so... wrong :D they use additional outputs to encode data in form of btc addresses, all linked to the exodus address
dub: -assets don't like no colored nuthin boa
dexX7: mp, you should send burnside flowers :p
pankkake: so you'd have to pay a fee to put an order or cancel one, and wait for it to be included in a block?
dub: aint yall read mp's blog
pankkake: sending and trading colored coins on an exchange would make sense. you could get them out when you don't want to trade
dexX7: even 2-3x fees. one tx goes to the exodus address to "register" your action, the other one goes into the void and encodes the data and the third one may be used as actual value tranasfer
mircea_popescu: dub you were the source of much bitctointalk confusion btw.
dub: orly?
ozbot: Bitcoin TOP-500 Richest
Ademan: mircea_popescu: I wasn't but why do you mention it? Cause you haven't closed?
dub: interdasting
mircea_popescu: Ademan to help you get some proportion. born a week before bitcoinica.
Namworld: It's been one heck of a trip. Mircea now uses BTC as TP.
Namworld: Sure seems like action is missing on MPEx lately tho
mircea_popescu: quite literally, this week.
Namworld: 2`618.12178487 BTC 30 day volume, what the hell is that?
Apocalyptic: no fake volume bot there
Namworld: 87.27072616 BTC average daily. Unheard of.
Ademan: how does one use BTC as TP? Do you have to make paper wallets first?
assnet: the first naturally colored coins
Namworld: You print a roll with a QR code on each sheet that allows redeeming Bitcoins and use that.
Namworld: Not the QR code, the paper
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 6625 BTC profit, 61.3k BTC invested, 218.32 mio bets, 4.31 mio BTC wagered
mircea_popescu: i suppose all teh investors are thar.
Namworld: Fuck, probably. With S.DICE gone.
Ademan: crap 6625BTC profit?! Who the hell is wasting their coins gambling?! (brb buying some securities)
Namworld: They were at -10000 at some point I think or close to that
Namworld: SD made over 10x that already
mircea_popescu: they had ups and downs
Namworld: I think they were around 70000 profit when they sold
pankkake: I think it went down to -4000, maybe more
pankkake: (just dice)
Namworld: Comparatively, Coinroll made 1000 BTC profit and less than 120'000 BTC wagered. Which is actually under the house 1% margin.
mircea_popescu: heh. mpoe was iirc -10k or some shit at some point
mircea_popescu: and for that matter the book carried 1mn btc implied at some point.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00082487 = 2.5159 BTC [+]
Namworld: JD would be ~40000 BTC profit if they were close to house margin
mircea_popescu: apparently bitcoin is very ups and downs sort of tyhing
Namworld: Coinroll has public dumps of the DB
mircea_popescu: well ima go take the local crazy bitchez for a halloween walk through the fog.
mircea_popescu: later all.
Namworld: Sounds nice
Namworld: Later
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00562337 = 0.1012 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00568889 = 0.1422 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0056889 = 0.2617 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00568889 = 0.1422 BTC [-] {3}
mjr_: hello all
mjr_: anyone still around?
kakobrekla: sup panaman!
mjr_: what up
mjr_: i had an idea...
mjr_: its kinda crazy i think
mjr_: but would make an interesting experiment
jurov: mjr_ yes?
Namworld: We are waiting...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 629 @ 0.00050048 = 0.3148 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: that was the experiment
jurov: no, nsa intercepted his communication and then him in person
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178 @ 0.00082487 = 0.1468 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00082526 = 5.0753 BTC [+]
ozbot: BBC News - RBS traders suspended in forex probe
dexX7: meni rosenfeld. is this guy useful?
dexX7: thanks
Ademan: does the operator of havelock ever come in here?
kakobrekla: ;;seen topace
gribble: topace was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 35 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <topace> so i decided not to do it
kakobrekla: 2 hrs ago.
kakobrekla: but he decided not to do it!
Namworld: He used to be around more often... Still around but not talking as much.
dexX7: there is also #havelockinvestments
Ademan: ah, I was wondering what was up with the outtage ~16 hours ago
jurov: it's that rat around asset exchanges, chewing cables
jurov: and peeing over harddrives
Namworld: Those darn bitrats
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60125 BTC [-]
Ademan: woo!
kakobrekla: new feature
kakobrekla: try it out, lemme know how it goes
pankkake: awesome! I mentionned it a few days earlier, and it's now there :)
kakobrekla: magicks!
kakobrekla: Resolved gain:
kakobrekla: -0.01688396 BTC
kakobrekla: hell!
kakobrekla: thats my stats
kakobrekla: this is thanks to mp fucking around with my bets
ozbot: BitBet - ActiveMining will be profitable for most investors
kakobrekla: we have bug?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 72 @ 0.00552795 = 0.398 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: well, not really… unless you have a way to know it was provided by the house
kakobrekla: ah i see
kakobrekla: you are bothered by the house bet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63975 = 1.2795 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: i dont see a good way around that
pankkake: the amounts aren't really worth correcting, especially since you get some of it back if you win
pankkake: but it scared me to see "lost" the first time
kakobrekla: yeah there are like 3 AM bets in there
dexX7: i see just one
kakobrekla: 10-09-2013 ActiveMining will be profitable for most investors 0.55196672 Won 0.72314360
kakobrekla: 09-09-2013 ActiveMining will be profitable for most investors 0.03000000 Lost 0.00000000
kakobrekla: 09-09-2013 ActiveMining will be profitable for most investors 0.17050709 Won 0.22341672
pankkake: ActiveMinig is not AM! it's a scam!
VanCleef_: both a scam
VanCleef_: i bet you friedcat isn't even his real name
pankkake: and that he isn't a cat
dexX7: are there many people that use addresses more than once on bb?
kakobrekla: that how its suppose to work
kakobrekla: you can search by that too you know
pankkake: outgoing addresses?
kakobrekla: or ingoing
kakobrekla: or mix of keywords and addresses
kakobrekla: "1address bfl"
kakobrekla: example
pankkake: I meant that for dexX7
kakobrekla: sry then
pankkake: I always use the same (unless maybe I am ashamed of my bet someday and chose another one)
dexX7: ah okay
dexX7: yes, outgoing
VanCleef_: how do we sue friedcat?
pankkake: don't need to, just lure him with catnip
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5162 @ 0.0008303 = 4.286 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: he'll give you his private key
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64998629 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.005528 = 0.1824 BTC [+]
VanCleef_: what sick bastard keeps buying am
dexX7: and i really thought the shiny video would come
VanCleef_: i dont think AM ever sent any hardware out
VanCleef_: its all been a scam
dexX7: lol yea, all shills
VanCleef_: fo sho
VanCleef_: the greatest scam the bitcoin world has ever seen
kakobrekla: alright
kakobrekla: october results are in
kakobrekla: *drumroll*
ozbot: PANACEA - Bitcoin denominated hedge fund
kakobrekla: feel free to ask questions
dub: alberto eh
pankkake: some guy named Alberto in Management
dub: scam
dub: I win pankkake
pankkake: 50 BTC minimum, so not for poorfags :(
benkay: kakobrekla: listing on mpex?
kakobrekla: yes got a green light.
kakobrekla: ETF prolly in a few months
dexX7: so is this scam?
pircea_momescu: dexX7 it's a scam !
dexX7: oh
dexX7: x_X
benkay: kidding, kidding.
benkay: oh but really?
benkay: and an etf?
kakobrekla: what so odd?
benkay: nothing odd.
VanCleef_: i trust Alberto Sanchez
kakobrekla: i hold all teh coins at all times
kakobrekla: dun worry
kakobrekla: i know him for about 3 years
kakobrekla: and we have been working on this for 1 year about.
dexX7: haha yea, i saw he was a larger mpex holder
VanCleef_: wordpress = being legit
freshcoin: wordpress = teh 1337
dub: what has take a years worth of work?
freshcoin: to hax0r teh g1bs0n
dub: 'the model'
dub: theres an automated trading jonx at play? or just you guys making calls
dub: s/calls/decisionS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0055001 = 0.1045 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: yes the model on euro dollar
kakobrekla: automated
jurov: kako i envy you.. so far i failed to make any trader interested :/
kakobrekla: we do monitor it but not tamper with it, at least 99% of the time
kakobrekla: on coinbr you mean jurov?
jurov: yes, or anything bitcoin-related
kakobrekla: hard to do with so little vol
kakobrekla: i am playing on the most liquid market of all assets and asset classes
jurov: oh, you had what volume before meeting these bit4x dudes?
kakobrekla: im talking hard to play with little vol that is on btc markets
dub: ya, its not bitcoin related
jurov: okay, but i mean bitcoin generally, not this assets echo chamber
kakobrekla: i still dont understand which volume you are asking about
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 327 @ 0.0055 = 1.7985 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: i dont understand why did you start talking about volume at all
kakobrekla: you wanted someone to do a btc denominated fund right?
dub: I think he wanted to get forex guys into btc
jurov: you were able to find some partner for bit4x, that's all i meant
benkay: get all the forex guys into btc.
kakobrekla: ah i misunderstood then sorry
kakobrekla: jurov well its was a coincidence
dub: it was all a dream he used to read word up magazine
dub: saltnpeppa heavyd up in the scene
jurov: anyway, coinbr new fees are in effect since now. if anyone wants to withdraw, let me know, cuz i'm going to sleep in a while.
dub: now hes in the limelight cause he trades right
VanCleef_: biggie smalls
mike_c: so.. panacea is forex trading BTC/EUR?
mike_c: er
mike_c: EUR/USD but it's btc denonimated?
mike_c: ok, so those return percentages are in btc
kakobrekla: correct
pankkake: what happens if btc/usd changes a lot?
kakobrekla: bit4x is since btc was 10$
mike_c: and, don't mean this rudely, this has nothing to do with btc because it's trading eur/usd ?
mike_c: except that buy-in cash-out are btc
kakobrekla: you are always in btc
mike_c: ok. so, i give you 100 btc. you use that as collateral to trade EUR/USD. hopefully you make profit. you give me back 102 btc.
kakobrekla: like that yea
kakobrekla: my profits and loses are in btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.00563 = 0.4391 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: pankkake also the positions are so small and the leverage can go really high so no worries for a margin call
mike_c: and the evidence that I have as an investor that you are awesome at this is 3 months of profits..
kakobrekla: you shouldnt rely on that, past perf is no guarantee
mike_c: what should I base my investment decision on?
kakobrekla: but i do have 1k+ of my own riding on it
pankkake: ok, I think I get it
mike_c: since i don't know your CV
kakobrekla: i dont see how cv would help
kakobrekla: either you trust or you do not
kakobrekla: welcome to bitcoin
mike_c: i do trust, in that i don't worry about the safety of my btc
mike_c: but i feel like evidence is a tad slim around your skills at forex.
kakobrekla: i cant make you any guarantee of future profits
kakobrekla: if any
kakobrekla: well then i suggest you not to invest
mike_c: fair enough. good luck with it though.
mike_c: it does look better than 96% of btc investments, so hopefully you get some bites.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00082864 = 5.2619 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: i already have private investors since last dec
mike_c: didn't want to share numbers since then?
kakobrekla: so i dont 'need' any bits, but its there if anyone want to join the party
kakobrekla: because it was not this model
mike_c: ah
mike_c: what's the variance like? 20% high watermark.. is the high watermark usually close to end-of-month performance?
kakobrekla: 20% on profits that is.
mike_c: oh, so not 20% of your highest point of the month. 20% of profit at end of month.
kakobrekla: profit is ~20% higher than what you see in the table 'performance after fees'
mike_c: ok, i believe you are saying something different below: "Performance fee:20% high watermark monthly"
kakobrekla: if i have a negative month, no fees are taken until it reaches new high from the top
mike_c: ah
mike_c: that is much better than how i read it.
kakobrekla: well thats what 20% high watermark monthly means
mike_c: kk
kakobrekla: maybe i should add an explanation below
mike_c: for idiots.
mike_c: we do have some money left :)
Namworld: I have a long history of paying interest on loaned amounts. Good backings. I will need to replace current lenders.
kakobrekla: heh well i hope 50btc min will give me enough peace
kakobrekla: was 100 originally
kakobrekla: changed in last minute
kakobrekla: anyway etf will follow.
mike_c: etf for panacea?
mike_c: with profit paid as dividends?
kakobrekla: not sure yet
kakobrekla: id much rather do closed ended but people.....
Namworld: Not sure anyone would be interested in that...
kakobrekla: yeah cause they are silly
mike_c: well, to be fair, a dividend stream does reduce the trust factor a little
mike_c: but i guess not much.
kakobrekla: the thing is, as an asset manager you are supposed to better at handling money than other people
kakobrekla: thats why the idea to keep it
kakobrekla: cause its already in the right place so to speak
mike_c: that only works if the asset manager is working a big enough opportunity. which forex obviously is.
Namworld: Well darn, not sure how I will be trading without any liquidities.
kakobrekla: yeah i could prolly handle 21 mio btc with that liquidity.
mike_c: etf on mpex?
pankkake: what else?
mike_c: it'll be nice having a non-mp company on there, just for variety sake.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: not a company.
mike_c: right. it's an etf that is 100% invested in.. your company. right?
kakobrekla: bit4x will prolly never list anywhere, but asset managment org might
kakobrekla: this now would be just etf
kakobrekla: by now i mean some a few months.
kakobrekla: some/a few
mike_c: etf tracking the performance on panacea.
mike_c: *of
mike_c: yes, totally different than non-voting stock :)
kakobrekla: well i guess you got a point there
kakobrekla: a non zero asset corp it is called.
kakobrekla: well not sure about the corp part, depends how strict one is id guess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 850 @ 0.00023 = 0.1955 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.15845 = 0.3169 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 42 @ 0.06 = 2.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.000228 = 0.456 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 240 @ 0.00267 = 0.6408 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: time to do
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 6609 BTC profit, 61.4k BTC invested, 218.63 mio bets, 4.31 mio BTC wagered
kakobrekla: not bad.
mike_c: you an investor?
kakobrekla: me? nope
mike_c: i think dooglus has a good heart and no clue how to run a casino.
kakobrekla: why you say no clue?
mike_c: the whole "1% max bet", then get beat up, then down to 0.25, looks like now its 0.5
dexX7: creepy.. the lady is always watching
dexX7: @sd
mike_c: i don't think he understands what the swings will be like often - and i know his investors dont
kakobrekla: yeah he does have to handle bunch of penny investors
kakobrekla: i can see how that is a pain
mike_c: even 0.5% of bankroll is too big for long-term success. the drawdowns will be big and the investors are not ready for it
kakobrekla: "mah 0.8 coin is nao only 0.75 doog fix it nao dis inaxeptablu"
mike_c: heh
kakobrekla: srsly twas like .81 b4
mike_c: you'll get those mails after the etf comes out
kakobrekla: write to devnull@bit4x.com
ozbot: Home
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.36999999 BTC [+]
Jere_Jones: Yo dexX7
thestringpuller: anyone from bitvps around?
Jere_Jones: I find that people on bitcointalk tend toward the "asshole" side of the scale. I don't know if that's because bitcoin brings out the asshole in people or assholes tend to have the loudest voices. However, your posts are always levelheaded and useful. I appreciate that.
arij: hey thestringpuller
Jere_Jones: So... thanks. That's it.
thestringpuller: hey arij can I serve things off ports ?
thestringpuller: well how do I see what ports are going
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00022855 = 0.9142 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: like I'm hosting a service on port 5984 and can't reach it remote
mike_c: holy shit i thought you were kidding. DaaS is real :D only $25 a month for 100gigs!
arij: you can do sudo netstat -pnutl
arij: to see which ports are open
thestringpuller: it's serving off local cool thanks arij much appreciated
arij: np
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.0056879 = 0.2218 BTC [+]
dub: IONTERNTS
Diablo-D3: I think bitfunder is broken
Diablo-D3: it says there are two people that own a significant amount of DMC shares
Diablo-D3: one 1774, one 550
Diablo-D3: these people do not seem to actually exist
pankkake: well I got a share of a company on an account I never used
pankkake: so, who knows
pankkake: bitfunder is broken by design or something
Diablo-D3: well, I cant even contact them
Diablo-D3: I have no clue who they are
Diablo-D3: they arent on IRC either
Diablo-D3: and they have another hour and a half to trade their shares in for AM before DMC closes its doors forever
dub: how many AMs does my share get?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.0055136 = 0.4411 BTC [-] {3}
Diablo-D3: dub: none.
Diablo-D3: dub: you need at least 11.
dub: scammer
Diablo-D3: not at all. friedcat doesnt offer fractional shares
dub: I paid a whole satoshi for that share
Diablo-D3: hah.
Diablo-D3: and you've probably made more than that back in divs
dub: uh no
Diablo-D3: uh, yes?
dub: no
Diablo-D3: even if you got ONE div, it would have been more than 1 satoshi
dub: no divs
Diablo-D3: lol you sold it before you got one div?
dub: didnt sell it
Diablo-D3: so wheres your divs?
dub: fuck if I know
dub: you're the scammer
dub: you tell me
Diablo-D3: I dont handle div distribution
Diablo-D3: bitfunder does
dub: buttfunder?
Diablo-D3: did you check your bitfunder account balance?
Diablo-D3: yes, buttfunder. for buttcoins.
dub: I don;t have a buttfunder account
Diablo-D3: if you dont have a buttfunder account then you dont actually have any shares
thestringpuller: ridin' with my top down - swizz beats
Diablo-D3: I dont offer direct shares, all shareholder data at the GLBSE transition was uploaded to bitfunder
Diablo-D3: you were sent an email on how to create a bitfunder account
dub: yeah butt I'd need a weakexchange account or someshit to use buttfunder
Diablo-D3: to move btc in and out, yes
Diablo-D3: I think its retarded
Diablo-D3: I wish Ukto would just let people move money out of accounts without weex
dub: anyway I will forever remember you as teh guy that jipped me for a satoshi
Diablo-D3: dub: except you wern't jipped
dub: thats right I was gypped
Diablo-D3: thats even worse
Diablo-D3: btw, I need to talk to ukto
Diablo-D3: and have all unclaimed dividends sent back to DMC
dub: just send them to me along with teh outstanding AMs and we're square
Diablo-D3: like I said, friedcat doesnt do fractional shares
Diablo-D3: otherwise I actually would
dub: ;;rated Diablo-D3
gribble: You rated user Diablo-D3 on Wed Dec 19 17:18:02 2012, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: fulfilled mining contract and multiple glbse share txns.
dub: may need to review this
VanCleef_: friedcat is a scam
pankkake: everything is a scam
Apocalyptic: scammar erywhere
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 18 @ 0.063 = 1.134 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 200 @ 0.00068 = 0.136 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.36909319 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00267 = 0.267 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.0056879 = 0.2446 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3690922 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: get lucky has 132 million plays
dub: talk about riding their reputation
dub: that album sucks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0055004 = 0.275 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 934 @ 0.00050558 = 0.4722 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 79 @ 0.00568822 = 0.4494 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2734 @ 0.00082493 = 2.2554 BTC [-]
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