#trilema | 2013-12-18

gribble: (market ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)

benkay: daww

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00090778 = 9.2594 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16136 @ 0.00090786 = 14.6492 BTC [+] {2}

Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2at-fdeopY

ozbot: Butterfingers - I Love Work - YouTube

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19049 @ 0.00090431 = 17.2262 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2561 @ 0.00045357 = 1.1616 BTC [-] {18}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28000001 BTC [+]

cazalla: should've taken that under 450 bet, looking good now

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28000001 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00090108 = 5.2713 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00295799 = 0.1154 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 468 @ 0.002958 = 1.3843 BTC [+]

chsados: kakobrekla, it got accepted :D http://bitbet.us/bet/670/btcchina-will-cease-fiat-deposits-and-withdrawals/

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.29493332 = 0.8848 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.04835389 = 9.6708 BTC [+] {5}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0494 = 0.2964 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1756 @ 0.0028234 = 4.9579 BTC [-] {7}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.280109 = 2.8011 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.27006772 = 5.9415 BTC [-] {6}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 24 @ 0.26599 = 6.3838 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00090587 = 9.5569 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P095T] 5 @ 0.06 = 0.3 BTC [+]

Namworld: I've got the most stupid issue ever...

kakobreklaaa: lemme take a guess, lost pgp key

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 75 @ 0.0494 = 3.705 BTC [+]

Namworld: No. You know how faint noises fades out after a while even if still there, even if irregular/clicking noise/etc?

Namworld: I got a new electronic thermostat and the heater in the room makes a faint but very strident noise. The problem is the new thermostat alternates the heater on/off every 5 seconds. Not often enough or infrequently enough to fade off to not notice it.

Namworld: It's completly keeping me from sleeping. I'll have to turn it off.

Duffer1: that sounds incredibly annoying

Namworld: If it stayed on then off every 5-10 minutes... okay...

Namworld: But "pfizzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ......................" cycle every 10 seconds just seems impossible to ignore.

Namworld: It doesn't fade into background noise since it doesn't last long enough. And it doesn't alternates often enough to appear as a single noise.

Namworld: On the upside, the temperature has never been this stable!

Namworld: That's a very retarded issue tho...

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00283002 = 0.1274 BTC [+] {3}

taub_: we crash mode now

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.0494 = 9.88 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.266 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P050T] 326 @ 0.02773246 = 9.0408 BTC [-]

pankkake: lol litecoin at 0.026. so much for an hedge

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.0009079 = 7.5356 BTC [+] {2}

taub_: it's a bubble on a bubble

taub_: ofc it doesn't work out =D

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.0009046 = 9.3174 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00090792 = 9.8509 BTC [+]

TomServo: ;;bc,stats

deadweasel: ;;ticker

gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 539.85698, Best ask: 539.99999, Bid-ask spread: 0.14301, Last trade: 539.99999, 24 hour volume: 84357.41292489, 24 hour low: 455.0, 24 hour high: 750.3614, 24 hour vwap: 569.87917

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00090564 = 4.5735 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 800 @ 0.001 = 0.8 BTC

pankkake: 27% change? :| not even close

pankkake: ;;ticker --market btcavg

gribble: BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 525.17, Best ask: 527.3, Bid-ask spread: 2.13000, Last trade: 526.98, 24 hour volume: 326672.18, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 625.91

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 425 @ 0.00090442 = 0.3844 BTC [-]

taub_: i hope this is the lower range

taub_: if not, 250 here we come

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00090424 = 4.8829 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00090435 = 10.807 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.266 BTC [+]

jurov: ;;bc,convert eur

gribble: 1 BTC = 585.0 USD = 425.3535 eur

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16259 @ 0.00090619 = 14.7337 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.000903 = 11.9196 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02210909 = 0.2432 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0492 = 0.246 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.266 = 2.128 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.000903 = 13.545 BTC [-]

FabianB_: ;;ticker --currency eur

gribble: MtGox BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 421.6311, Best ask: 426.0, Bid-ask spread: 4.36890, Last trade: 426.0, 24 hour volume: 11851.02461864, 24 hour low: 322.86162, 24 hour high: 540.0, 24 hour vwap: 404.07217

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1524 @ 0.00045001 = 0.6858 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08049999 = 0.161 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0449999 = 0.315 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00090405 = 11.4814 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00090641 = 11.1488 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.00262402 = 0.2204 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0492 = 0.1476 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00090728 = 5.5344 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00090786 = 3.4045 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6718 @ 0.000903 = 6.0664 BTC [-]

kakobreklaaa: http://svet24.si/#!/clanek/52b15cb990ab7/mlada-slovenca-sluzita-milijone-pri-nas-o-tem-nihce-ne-ve-nic

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.002624 = 0.1732 BTC [-] {4}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 124 @ 0.00260974 = 0.3236 BTC [-] {8}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5388 @ 0.000903 = 4.8654 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00090319 = 7.9481 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00090556 = 2.0828 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35218 @ 0.0009031 = 31.8054 BTC [-] {4}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00090531 = 7.0162 BTC [+]

kakobreklaaa: sorry about that.

mircea_popescu: !t m x.eur

assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00199998 / 0.00199998 / 0.00199998 (100 shares, 0.20 BTC), 7D: 0.00199998 / 0.00199998 / 0.00199998 (100 shares, 0.20 BTC), 30D: 0.00199998 / 0.00199998 / 0.00199998 (100 shares, 0.20 BTC)

mircea_popescu: omfg it traded

mircea_popescu: ajnd the buyer looks set to maybe turn a profit even

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00090531 = 5.794 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00090314 = 3.4319 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00090316 = 7.5414 BTC [+]

benkay: so 7c *wants* to revive Stock Generation?

the20year2: 7c?

benkay: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=7C

benkay: trading rally is categorized as an event/development which will absorb funds to bring about

benkay: agog is what i am

the20year2: Do any of you plan on migrating to, or participating in ciphertrade when they release?

b0n1: ;;seen davout

gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 19 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <davout> amazing future

assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

FabianB_: ;;calc 1/[ticker --currency eur --last]

gribble: 0.00235294117647

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00090556 = 11.3195 BTC [+]

b0n1: is there an api for bitcoin-central?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00090498 = 3.7104 BTC [-]

dexX7: did you hear? mircea_popescu, the eccentric romanian hacker.. runs mpex, an exchange where transactions are processed by hand via air-gapped systems :D https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EkLwTlb0sCEp023pzZfd1bv9OnLOqqogqV-0wN-K_PM/

asciilifeform: dexX7: did you actually read that thing? 'cloud machine'??!?

asciilifeform: '...verifying that the hash of the code running on the Cloud Machine matches the hash of the code given at the time of the IPO...'

asciilifeform: stoppped there.

dexX7: didn't made it so far, to be honest :D

kakobreklaaa: http://www.coinion.com/2013/12/07/united-states-dollar-almost-doubles-in-value-in-a-single-day/

asciilifeform: reminds me of a 'chicken recipe' sometimes attributed to the gypsies. '1) first, steal a chicken...'

mike_c: heh. bitcoin company recipe: "1) first, ipo"

jborkl: ?join #bitcoin-otc

jborkl: ;;8ball

gribble: Unlikely.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5669 @ 0.00090577 = 5.1348 BTC [+] {3}

asciilifeform: paging mp: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/12/18/india-diplomat-us-immunity/4108553/

asciilifeform: (tldr: diplomat arse-searched)

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16243 @ 0.00090807 = 14.7498 BTC [+] {2}

kakobrekla: anything found?

mike_c: lots of curry

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14238 @ 0.00090812 = 12.9298 BTC [+] {2}

mike_c: lol. india responds by "canceling duty-free liquor deliveries to the [US] embassy".

pankkake: and shutting down their whole IT department

pankkake: forum topic "Building my own Altcoin on windows,merkel and genesis hash" :| hmm maybe that was my Coinion idea, Deutschcoin based on Merkel hashes

the20year2: Is there a way to generate an altcoin that can pay out in other coins? I keep kicking around this idea of a coin backed by physical goods/items, but don't know a way to do it without inflating it , or paying out to holders

pankkake: if you want to back with something, you'd need a centralized issuer, and trust that issuer

the20year2: Yeah

pankkake: that's what colored coins, ripple, etc. can provide. see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149533.0 as an experiment

the20year2: how is ripple doing it?

pankkake: you have to add a trust line to an issuer, and then you can use its currency

the20year2: and it can be traded in ripples?

pankkake: beware that if you add trust line for the same currency (i.e. btc) it can decide to exchange it between issuers without telling you

pankkake: no, ripples never enter the picture

the20year2: Interesting

pankkake: except maybe as fees

the20year2: I'm asking this specifically in terms of doing this with backing up coins as a specific set interest in income producing real estate here in the US , then trying to figure a viable way to pay back coin holders interest

pankkake: it looks like you're just reinventing shares ;)

the20year2: Correct, on something outside of an exchange

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 145 @ 0.001 = 0.145 BTC

mike_c: dexX7 just posted to a link to a paper describing what you want

mike_c: and here's mp's opinion on it: http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/

the20year2: MP?

mike_c: mircea popescu, founder of mpex

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00090316 = 17.2052 BTC [-] {4}

the20year2: I didn't realize he was the foudner of mpex. Is he the one that deals with issuing?

mike_c: http://trilema.com/2012/how-does-one-list-on-mpex/

ozbot: How does one list on MPEx ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=271711.0 MP aka Your God

ozbot: Why MP is your God.

the20year2: wot?

the20year2: GUess they only want BTC involved/denominated then

the20year2: :(

mike_c: you run rentalstarter, right? you could probably list on havelock.

the20year2: Yeah, i'm looking at any exchange realy, but i'm worried about legalities and trying to avoid future problems

the20year2: We're doing pretty good overall IMO business wise, but I need access to more capital, sadly.

mike_c: tough to avoid legal issues when raising capital

the20year2: Eh , it just needs to be done right, and our lawyer isn't too favorable for havelock

mike_c: any crowdfunded/btc-funded raise is going to be legally challenging in the US

the20year2: Yes and no, from his standpoint we can do it, as long as we attempt to set in place a measure to limit/keep US citizens from investing

mike_c: good luck getting BTC investors to send in proof of residence :)

dexX7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bxaGMddBNg "if the us misbehaves, this is what is gonna happen!1" lol

ozbot: Devyani Khobragade's arrest: police lift barricades outside US embassy in Delhi - YouTube

the20year2: Of course, so then there's some other methods that he felt would be SEC compliant with what we're doing, and he felt (From what he knows) that ciphertrade might be a better candidate than havelock

mike_c: ciphertrade.. that exchange that hasn't launched yet. i have this bad feeling about where you're headed.

the20year2: Well, everything we're doing is reviewed by our legal council

mike_c: who suggested ciphertrade.

the20year2: My brother, who gave info to my attourney

mike_c: you are investing in real estate. forget about btc. go find USD investors.

the20year2: I will once I feel that we're sizable enough to warrant a PPM

the20year2: which is the threshold, since a PPM will require us to spend say $8k or so

mike_c: if that is the direction you are headed, you are not going to want the monkey on your back of a thousand tiny btc investors.

the20year2: US BTC investors :) International investors are fine, and we can microfund that way

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 712 @ 0.00281112 = 2.0015 BTC [-] {4}

mike_c: ok. good luck. i think you're playing with fire, but hopefully you make it.

the20year2: We have decent legal council on retainer, our understanding seems to be good. Thankfully the SEC does have a grace period for US investors if we have any, and this last bitfunder purge brought it to our attention.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00090828 = 7.7658 BTC [+] {2}

the20year2: At some point, hopefully in the next 2-3 months we'll be able to access traditional lending methods and this won't be an issue

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00090871 = 14.4485 BTC [+] {3}

mikaeldice: You're in real estate, the20year2 ? What makes the volatility of bitcoin a good choice for investment funds? Last resort?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02199999 = 0.132 BTC [-] {2}

mikaeldice: It seems like you'd be taking on a lot of currency risk by sinking investors' BTC into fiat and then real estate

mike_c: on a different topic, what happened to your hack challenge mikael? still going to do it?

mikaeldice: I need some time to set it up. I don't want people calling it a scam, so I might just put up the server and make it a free for all

mike_c: you mean no bounty?

BingoBoingo: ;;later tell asciilifeform The Cardano is going to be soundproof, right? http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/12/18/2122226/scientists-extract-rsa-key-from-gnupg-using-sound-of-cpu

gribble: The operation succeeded.

mikaeldice: A tiny bounty, but no entry fees. I don't want to take people's money, even if it'd make the challenge more interesting. At the same time, with little to gain, I would make the bounty much smaller

mike_c: the gain is proof of your system, right? unless you are expecting to get hacked and the gain is for you to learn about holes.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this attack is simply a variant of the traditional 'Differential Power Analysis'

mikaeldice: Dual purpose: If nobody hacks it, this adds evidence of 'sufficiency' with the security, and if someone does hack it then I can patch the holes and reinit the prize until no more holes are found

BingoBoingo: Ah

asciilifeform: the sound is coming from the power supply inductor

asciilifeform: this is really from the fact that a pc cpu is a monster hog

asciilifeform: and typically exists in one of two states - 'halt', with reduced power draw, and 'run' (interrupt throws cpu out of halt state.)

asciilifeform: idle loop in modern os scheduler sits the cpu in 'halt'

asciilifeform: virtually any device containing a switched power supply 'hisses' this way

asciilifeform: there are no inductors (switching power supply or otherwise) in cardano...

asciilifeform: nor is the 'low power state' feature of the microcontroller made use of; nor is there an operating system, in the usual sense, or a scheduler...

the20year2: mikaeldice: for us it was just a way to crowdsource funding on something that traditional investors wouldn't bite into

the20year2: The hope/assumption in the beginning was that we would be able to outpace the appreciation of bitcoin through the way we are handling real estate. Growth has been fantastic, but it hasn't outpaced bitcoin like we'd hoped. So, then the hope later on, and it hasn't come to fruitition was a reverse hedge against BTC.USD drops like what we've been seeing. I tried to get investments again when BTC hit $1200 and few I talked

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10724 @ 0.00090502 = 9.7054 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.0009093 = 41.2822 BTC [+] {5}

zz_: asiclifeform: isn't the CPU running at a few Ghz, while sound <20Khz? What exactly would the cellphone pick up?

mike_c: that is actually the crux of the paper.

asciilifeform: zz_: it's picking up 'idle' vs 'halted'

asciilifeform: from which one can deduce execution path.

asciilifeform: this is a variation on the old theme of cache probe attack

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00090502 = 8.0999 BTC [-]

asciilifeform: (as noted in the paper)

zz_: didn't read the PDF. Guess that would help.

mike_c: tldr: "In a nutshell, the key extraction attack relies on crafting chosen ciphertexts that cause numerical

mike_c: cancellations deep inside GnuPG’s modular exponentiation algorithm. This causes the special value

mike_c: zero to appear frequently in the innermost loop of the algorithm, where it afects control fow. A single

mike_c: iteration of that loop is much too fast for direct acoustic observation, but the efect is repeated and

mike_c: amplifed over many thousands of iterations, resulting in a gross leakage effect that is discernible in the

mike_c: acoustic spectrum over hundreds of milliseconds"

mike_c: that pasted poorly

asciilifeform: the bit about leaking electrolytic caps 'buzzing' is unsurprising.

mike_c: so the good news, as far as i can tell, is that you have to be decrypting a known, specially crafted message.

asciilifeform: 'More generally, we observed strong positive correlation between machine

asciilifeform: age, in terms of calendar time and usage, and the cryptanalytic usefulness of their acoustic emanations.'

asciilifeform: that statement, even if true - i can almost see the censor's red ink slipping that in.

dub: applied to snarfing bitcoin keys in 3-2-

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00090945 = 9.7766 BTC [+]

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine few consumer things being as loud as a Netburst era Pentium 4, for most definitions of loud.

asciilifeform: anything which oscillates rapidly between 'draws plenty of power' and 'draws little' is: a transmitter.

asciilifeform: audio, rf, optical (ir!), etc.

asciilifeform: this is no revelation of any kind.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 400 @ 0.001 = 0.4 BTC

samy_: hello

kakobrekla: hi

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5000 @ 0.00045 = 2.25 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04888 = 0.1955 BTC [-]

dub: yes hello

dub: mircea_popescu: finally a case for colored coins https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg4029004#msg4029004

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 32 @ 0.10294155 = 3.2941 BTC [-] {5}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 13 @ 0.08 = 1.04 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 40 @ 0.01866781 = 0.7467 BTC [-] {10}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1900 @ 0.00045 = 0.855 BTC [-]

ll: ooh vtx dump time

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 23 @ 0.1 = 2.3 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 27 @ 0.09998516 = 2.6996 BTC [-] {4}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 21 @ 0.1 = 2.1 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.093 = 0.279 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 602 @ 0.00045 = 0.2709 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.093 = 0.372 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 377 @ 0.000435 = 0.164 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1490 @ 0.00043501 = 0.6482 BTC [+]

KRS|Gotyawallet: colored coins is racist

dub: naggercoin

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.1 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2}

KRS|Gotyawallet: used for purchasing fried chicken and watermelon at a discount

topace: mmmmmmm fried chicken

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.1 = 0.5 BTC [+]

KRS|Gotyawallet: wow there's a name from the past

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+]

nubbins`: http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?nick=nubbins%60

ozbot: #bitcoin-otc order book

nubbins`: i'm fishing :D

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 25 @ 0.05892203 = 1.4731 BTC [-] {15}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.0915 = 0.183 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.09 = 0.18 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.07966666 = 0.239 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.07805 = 0.1561 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.02099999 = 0.546 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00090851 = 13.6731 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 54 @ 0.07703055 = 4.1596 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 31 @ 0.05959354 = 1.8474 BTC [-] {5}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.022189 = 0.2219 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 470 @ 0.00047491 = 0.2232 BTC [+] {6}

benkay: ;;ticker --market btcavg

gribble: BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 510.04, Best ask: 511.53, Bid-ask spread: 1.49000, Last trade: 510.13, 24 hour volume: 412704.96, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 557.2

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1010 @ 0.001 = 1.01 BTC

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.0999874 = 0.7999 BTC [+] {3}

skylax: can anyone hear me?

bloctoc: they will cease having fiat issues when people cease using fiat

BingoBoingo: bloctoc: On some level people will always continue using some fiat in some role. You have to buy toothpaste sometime.

skylax: the goverenment will always have the power to shut down crypto, they just won't do it yet

bloctoc: you don't anymore have to use fiat to buy toothpaste.

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bloctoc: whole foods on gyft for example

bloctoc: skylax - how on earth would the government shut down crypto?

benkay: BingoBoingo: it doesn't look like they use localbitcoins. i wonder if that's even an option for them.

BingoBoingo: bloctoc: Why would I want to consider parting with something valuable like BTC for a consumable like toothpast though.

BingoBoingo: Fiat will alway have that niche of stuff too boring to trade BTC for

BingoBoingo: benkay: Who knows

skylax: @bloctoc they could easily block the protocol channels of any bitcoin related subjects. RIght now there is a bit of battle going on between bitcoin and legal institutions, if bitcoin wins, meaning it can bypass the law, then I'm pretty sure a lot of other things in society will probably be used to bypass the law in the same manner.

BingoBoingo: skylax: I think you are mistaken. Bitcoin is now the law and BitBet the court.

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benkay: don't go overboard with the sycophancy now BingoBoingo

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benkay: *elbow elbow*

bloctoc: skylax you mean like China blocks CNN? There's no battle right now, at most there's fincen bragging that they found a way to fit bitcoin into their own status quo. I really suspect bureaucrats everywhere don't give a shit except that reporters only want to talk about bitcoin.

BingoBoingo: benkay: Sycophants aren't a bad thing, either to have or to be. I will admit though that mircea_popescu has made some poor decisions like Market Making X.idiff.

benkay: that has to have been a painful exercise.

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skylax_: @bloctoc the beaucrats will eventually give a shit if bitcoin becomes too mainstream and manages to manipulate other currencies

skylax: @bloctoc the beaucrats will eventually give a shit if bitcoin becomes too mainstream and manages to manipulate other currencies

skylax: @bloctoc what do you think the future of bitcoin will look like?

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bloctoc: skylax - A bunch of regulatory functions will be better served by crypto. Monetary policy is the most obvious, but there will be other "industries" that will be made redundant. There will be no more credit checks unless you actually want a loan. SEC no longer needed except for enforcement. Title insurance gone. Toothpaste still around.

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bloctoc: I'm pretty excited about the functionality suggested by mastercoin, ripple, and colored coins. I get that all those are not solid technically yet, but the direction is clearly laid out for those who care to believe.

bloctoc: oh, and cherry trucks on the cover of Rolling Stone.

KRS|Gotyawallet: cherry truck bonus ftw

KRS|Gotyawallet: bloctoc a lot of bitcoiners are not happy with mastercoin for instance because they're saying its centralized and a large portion of the wealth is privately owned

monolithik: mastercoin is a joke. ripple is technologically interesting but will probably be a failure due to high complexity and relative need for centralized trusted parties

KRS|Gotyawallet: ^^^^^^^^^^^

monolithik: colored coins have potential but none of the implementations are of sufficient quality yet

BingoBoingo: Look, if you want to ipo without any gatekeepers isn't cryptostocks questionable enough for you?

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bloctoc: If I knew MP personally, then sure. but MP might be the FBI for all I know.

KRS|Gotyawallet: nah he'd be more like the KGB

bloctoc: … unless "cryptostocks" is more than some generic term. In which case I never heard of it.

KRS|Gotyawallet: or the Somalian Mob

BingoBoingo: bloctoc: Cryptostocks is the Vircurex spinoff Vircurex IPO'd itself on

bloctoc: got it.

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skylax: bloctoc: I suppose the efficiency of crypto will erase many of worthless industries, but crowdsource law is pretty complex and unreliable so some kind of institution will still be present, if somehow someone made crowdsourced law work, then this method would be used in all legal fields such as commercial law and criminal law etc. Also to mention crypto if heavily technology dependent, if the power goes out, we go back to cave

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bloctoc: …if the power goes out, we go back to cave - yes crypto or no crypto that's true. Same argument for breaking SHA256. As far as crowdsource law it will be nice to see some template corporations that get set up by copy/paste instead of paying a lawyer $10K to copy/paste. For what it's worth, I do think the smart contracts will do that for us.

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skylax: bloctoc: what do you mean template corporations?

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Bugpowder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNi1o74DaIk

ozbot: x-dream - the 5th dimension (live in paris) - YouTube

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mircea_popescu: the20year2 yeah, i handle ipos.

jborkl: Hi mircea

mircea_popescu: hey jborkl

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bloodcurdingly obnoxious shit. "everyone respect the laws" ? bs.

mircea_popescu: dub beware that yellow snow!

mircea_popescu: ;;later tell dexx7 guy was actually emailing me about the thing. i sent him a list of no's and the way we left it was he's gonna lurk here for a while figure shit out.

gribble: The operation succeeded.

Bugpowder: http://www.prweb.com/releases/galtsgulchchile/20131112/prweb11324365.htm

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i never marketmade x.idiff ?! what are you talkin' about ?

nubbins`: galt's gulch chile

nubbins`: i bet it's full of insufferable assholes

Bugpowder: I sold $20k to a nice family of four in Santa Monica

Bugpowder: @ $1200/coin

Bugpowder: I think it was their life savings :(

Bugpowder: They just wanted to move to Chile...

nubbins`: wow

mircea_popescu: nubbins` they were trying to sell me on the thing. i tell you i don't see it, why would you want to go hang out there ?

nubbins`: that's what, like 17 btc

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder is a family of four mean a guy and three women ?

truffles: lol

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah, I must have confused futures and options

Bugpowder: Geeky father, overbearing fat mother, two incredibly cute blond girls

nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i remember a while back this guy on the forums had a huge thesis-length post about "bitcoin land", a place where bitcoin would be used everywhere

mircea_popescu: sounds dreamy.

Bugpowder: they need bitcoin to go to $2500 to afford their land

nubbins`: he waited 8 or 9 paragraphs before bringing up the drug therapies

Bugpowder: warned them not to manic sell if it were to drop... I hope the held on...

mircea_popescu: nubbins` gotta give junkies credit when they manage to hold off for a thousand words before bringin; it.

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i'll bet you they're out at ~550

Bugpowder: Maybe 382

Bugpowder: out at 382!

Bugpowder: couldn't take it

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo re options, you gotta understand that ecosystems are born out of shit.

mircea_popescu: if nobody shits nothing grows.

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder it never went as low as 382 did it ?!

Bugpowder: on bitstamp!

nubbins`: mircea_popescu: you gotta do something like that in a city, not out in the woods. e.g. freetown christiania

Bugpowder: it did

xoinfinityox: you should have traded for the girls

mircea_popescu: nubbins` when i was a mobster i didn't wanna go live with all the other mobsters. generally this seems to be a common trend, too, people don't seem to go "a shit, you know what'd be cool ? let's move upstate. the city's a toilet!"

mircea_popescu: xoinfinityox "HOW MUCH FOR THE LITTLE GIRL!!!"

Bugpowder: sup xoinfinityox

xoinfinityox: sup bug

xoinfinityox: I WANT TO BUY YOUR WOMEN

mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/embed/GDXYzUlv0S8

ozbot: How much for the little girl? - YouTube

xoinfinityox: i pay only in dogecoins

Bugpowder: I have enough women in my life

nubbins`: lies

Bugpowder: another daughter on the way...

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder it'll suck to be you when you're 50 and old and frail

mircea_popescu: and their periods syncronise.

nubbins`: heh

Bugpowder: I will never be frail

mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWcNcJuTHVo << Bugpowder in 10 years.

ozbot: katie kaboom - YouTube

nubbins`: one week each month, the bathroom garbage fills up much quicker than usual

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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mircea_popescu remind me in 10 years to neg Bugpowder if his "i will never be frail" promise turns out to be made of milk.

gribble: The operation succeeded.

Bugpowder: dude

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Bugpowder: I will be frail around 80 maybe

Bugpowder: I got 45 years

Bugpowder: of strength and virility

Bugpowder: left

mircea_popescu: okok

truffles: 5* years tops

KRS|Gotyawallet: how's the libedo

Bugpowder: babies fuck that up tho

mircea_popescu: they do ?!