(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: hm?
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(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: looking forward to reading.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: may be cheaper (and less wait) 2ndhand
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i also want. may want to try 'pinebook' (somewhat kludgy arm64 box, i have one here, tho no civilized linux for it quite yet)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i rec against. the current intel-infested variants iirc even worse.
(asciilifeform) shinohai: verisimilitude: an attempt to add mETHereum features to Bitcoin.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: x60
(asciilifeform) Aerthean: @verisimilitude Technically yes. I bought a domain via nearly free speech and have it hosted at Linode.
(asciilifeform) Aerthean: @verisimilitude Hi Verisimilitude, I've followed the log but haven't said much recently, life etc.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: When I first began my computing journey, I didn't know the extent of the vile rot.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-16 14:53:05 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: upstack -- imho it is worth understanding why well-designed, simple, and functional systems remain obscure, while perl/cpp/microshit 'wins'. if more sane folx understood the basics of the underlying civilizational decay which powers this process, would die of cirrosis less often and overall happier imho
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: making things Actually Permanently Work aint profitable. is the basic idea.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i rec to read the history re e.g. symbolics inc. arguably died ~of~ 'easy billions' (built expensive factories, then 'star wars' closed, buyers ~evaporated)
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-04-05 23:04:51 verisimilitude: I think measuring speed may be best done by making a brief video.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: or, for that matter, why bought left-hander unit ( verisimilitude are you left-handed ? )
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i was waiting for 'how fast?' when you started, how many wpm after week of practice, 2, etc
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(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-04-03 15:09:03 verisimilitude: Well, I revisited my Wheelock's Latin to find, as expected, my pronunciation was beyond terrible.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: so far this yr asciilifeform spent almost all of his waking hours, working for dough
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: think, could be worse, could be schedules imposed by overseers
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: how so?
(asciilifeform) shinohai_: verisimilitude: I'd argue the flaw is that OpenSSL exists period. xD
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(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i never got beyond the rate seen in the clip i filmed for the engelbart piece.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: btw there appears to be a 'microwriter' (of same type as mine) on ebay, if you happen to want one.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: will be interesting to read.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: Here's the article: http://verisimilitudes.net/2019-07-15
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: Here's a diagram: http://verisimilitudes.net/DEUCE%20architecture.png
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-16 01:02:56 feedbot: http://verisimilitudes.net/2021-03-15 << A Syndication of Verisimilitudes -- A Review of ``Phantom Stacks: If you look too hard, they aren't there'' by Richard Stallman
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(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-13 04:01:27 verisimilitude: I agree with asciilifeform; individual key adjustment would be nice.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-04 16:18:50 verisimilitude: Say, does anyone know offhand how many words Latin has, sans declensions and conjugations?
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: It's even less apparent when made circular.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-10 13:59:18 verisimilitude: That's the one, adlai; this has some of my designs for numerical glyphs.
(asciilifeform) adlai wonders whether he'll hit this same wall that verisimilitude has, after a few more years of using standard keyboards at burst-rpm
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-09 22:11:27 verisimilitude: Dictating to a machine with speech would be better.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: That's the one, adlai; this has some of my designs for numerical glyphs.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-25 15:14:34 verisimilitude: I've done light work on creating a set of thirty glyphs for a base thirty system.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-09 16:24:31 verisimilitude: I've even an article detailing ways other holes displease me.
(asciilifeform) adlai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-03-09#1033055 << this one seems to be about the protocol itself, rather than other specific sites; although I've not read each of your articles, and only searched by title.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i suspect that not all authors of such pieces are formally paid shills; rather, the subject has a strong (i suspect -- from envy) dementia-inducing effect on various folx;
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: asciilifeform: it's verisimilitude's like fyi.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-09 16:18:57 verisimilitude: Here's how Reddit can kill Bitcoin you guys: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26400018
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: verisimilitude: On the subject of hacker news, I reviewed some old threads I had with some guys with lots karma were unpersuaded (more like determined not to understand it). I checked up on their latest comments (yes, I know, huge wate of time) and couldn't find any references to Bitcoin. I dunno maybe I respect more the guys who attempt to attack than the guys who just pretend it doesn't exist.
(asciilifeform) adlai: now, you may ask: why "by verisimilitude?", and answer is: read his gopher impl
(asciilifeform) adlai: re:"applied question", my thinking is -- inspired by verisimilitude ! -- that published code should not do anything other than blab, within reasonable DOWNload ratelimits as provided by ISP.
(asciilifeform) adlai: I'd begun reading about Gopher after finding it mentioned in your site, although so far, I have not explored 'gopherspace' beyond verisimilitudes.net; thus, you serve as a de-facto ambassador of that protocol.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-14 22:01:06 verisimilitude: That still doesn't answer why Gopher was mentioned, adlai.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-21 10:32:03 trinque: verisimilitude: I'd like to see an implementation of this in Ada or CL, and haven't the time currently https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~petar/papers/maymounkov-online.pdf
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: could be from position of hand, rather than the keys. gotta experiment.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: which kbd was this again? 'bat' 1-hand ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i.e. tiring? (or opposite?)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: hit hard because springs are stiff? or some other reason?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i'd expect would take time to learn the chords..
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-04 16:18:50 verisimilitude: Say, does anyone know offhand how many words Latin has, sans declensions and conjugations?
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-04 17:55:42 verisimilitude: Oh, I'm reminded of some common crocodile tears: ``Connectionless protocols that allow responses large compared to requests are bad, because large corporations get DDoSed by them!!!''
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-04 16:11:56 trinque: verisimilitude: yeah, my left hand's pinky is more or less trashed by mapping esc to caps-lock and using vim bindings.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-04 16:07:18 verisimilitude: Trying to preserve my hands has made me realize how awful so many Emacs chords are.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-04 15:55:01 verisimilitude: I've had similar font issues with mine articles, despite their simplicity. Under Android phones, monospace fonts don't work, so my machine code documentings look poor.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-04 15:53:40 verisimilitude: A ``toilet lappy'' is a poor machine or one set near the toilet?
(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude: recall the way multiple parties implemented a V?
(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude: ah, thinking of the chord device specifically for emacs bindings?
(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude: yeah, my left hand's pinky is more or less trashed by mapping esc to caps-lock and using vim bindings.
(asciilifeform) shinohai: verisimilitude: "toilet lappy" the one I use for streaming torrents, play retroarch games, etc.
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(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude: so in the case you mentioned, the book-burning looks to have been done by superstitious idiots, rather than careful curators.
(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude: I'm curious what conspiracy you think produced this list https://verbrannte-und-verbannte.de/person?person=all&sort=name%3Aasc
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-16 14:53:05 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: upstack -- imho it is worth understanding why well-designed, simple, and functional systems remain obscure, while perl/cpp/microshit 'wins'. if more sane folx understood the basics of the underlying civilizational decay which powers this process, would die of cirrosis less often and overall happier imho
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-01 22:30:22 verisimilitude: I suppose the author of ``When bankers take over a town'' committed suicide after a bout of depression.
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(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it aint like the pedigreed morons ( + nsa stooges ) on that (or any other) committee are made to pay when yours or mine system melts down from their 1970s idiocy
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-26 21:58:24 verisimilitude: Criticizing TCP for ``plaintext sequence numbers'' is unreasonable; the entirety of it is unencrypted; an old extension even has packet security levels such as ``top secret'', for controlling transmission in ``high-security'' networks.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: afaik only carries dht peer tracking via udp. (and even this, optional)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: sounds like rather inefficient way to move 1file.. i attempted torrentism strictly because already have the thing on 2 boxen in 2 separate locations, and dpb was suspecting pipe shenanigans
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: torrent is 1 of those garbage protocols where it's astonishing that the thing worx at all.
(asciilifeform) trinque: the comment was aimed more at verisimilitude who seems to think there's a "teh j00z!" or something.
(asciilifeform) shinohai: top kek verisimilitude re: f-35 article.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-22 16:40:55 verisimilitude: The appearance of law must be maintained, although that rioting shows it needn't be maintained when inconvenient.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-22 16:40:01 verisimilitude: I'm reminded of when that TPP was the hot topic, and how it included a segment specifically attacking copyleft in all but name; that was a good example of how the rules simply change when they lose.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: I recommended that story in this article, which I really should update this year; I found it a nice piece of lovecraftian horror, but do occasionally look back and think about how insecure using a cell phone so would be for cryptocurrency management.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-22 21:10:05 verisimilitude: In principle, it's possible, but at this point it's much easier to simply give everyone separate machines, which is basically an existence proof of the security.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: re: 'secure multiuser section' -- traditionally this kind of item is called 'pissing-section in swimming pool'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in modern times, often enuff one knows exactly, instruction by instruction, what the boobytrap chip does, but still cannot defuse it
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: are you familiar with how vegas worx?
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-22 01:35:47 verisimilitude: I've decided to purchase a BAT keyboard soon, and to simply see how I like its default layout, even though `e'' requires three fingers.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: I've written before about this topic.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-20 22:21:56 verisimilitude: The simple fact of things, is that the world would be better if everyone I didn't like were dead.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: having a class of hated untermenschen dun make for ethnostate.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: they're an ethnostate, tho, verisimilitude , it aint happening.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: afaik scale model of nato reich.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: lemme spell this out ftr :
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: ianal, but per popular legend e.g. 'tornado code', 'turbo code', under patent
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in prole vs prole, good chance of suit being throw out; and if not, then typically 'the lawyers win'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: imho the right way to do any 'atheism' is where the removal of the dead 'gods' cleans out space inside yer head for more interesting subj. rather than as replacement-religion.
(asciilifeform) trinque: perhaps, and I've spent some of dinner thinking about whether a gpg contract stating the disposition of the item would be better suited, but then I am not certain of the disposition of verisimilitude regarding those, with as quickly as reached for AGPL
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: happy programming
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'when hiring an astrologer, hire the cheapest.' ideally propaganda oughta be short an' sweet.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-21 17:26:54 verisimilitude: The same criticism applies to this ``you have no right to use the software'' string I see on the software of those here.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'the law' in fact worx exclusively against you an' i , and in favour of microshit et al (and the occasional popescu, patent troll, etc.)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: for so long as you don't buy into the notion of the magick string ~doing~ sumthing -- won't harm
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it aint 'rolling over' to recognize that the pistol is a toy and pulling the trigger and screaming 'bang' kills 0 enemy
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: afaik went nowhere.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: pointedly nope. cuz , again, not human being.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: link?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in actual practice, software licenses are ceremonial. historically they have not succeeded in tying any of the hands the license authors were hoping to tie (e.g. microshit's, crapple's); in the unlikely event that they 'really need' yer proggy, will a) simply crib it and embed in closed turd b) 'rewrite cleanly' at trifling expense
(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude: I'd like to see an implementation of this in Ada or CL, and haven't the time currently https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~petar/papers/maymounkov-online.pdf
(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude: want a commission?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: what prevented ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: if it's any consolation, eventually all dead..
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it aint 100% clear to me that it's different in anything but degree (or all that much) from euro 'heels'
(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude ever heard the acronym use at a tech megacorp?
(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude: it establishes the hypothetical as a space for chains of verbal action, which feels more direct an expression than sprinkling the statements with qualifiers.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it's conjugatory (vs. engl)
(asciilifeform) shinohai: verisimilitude: nah.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: lemme know if you intend to build a noad; i've a fairly complete snapshot of the chain avail. (to l1 strictly) for download. will save you a month or two (supposing you're in a hurry. if yer not -- better to sync the traditional way)
(asciilifeform) BingoBoingo: verisimilitude It was rather converted. Well finished
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(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: a++
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: spoiler -- unless you, personally, are in the biz of felling trees, and w/ access to sawmill -- prepare to pay $ 4figs.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i've found that quite often the only way to get the hardware i want, is to build.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: if you find that chordism is the Right Thing for you, may eventually prove to be worth the effort
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: outta curiosity, why do you want a 1-handed kbd ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: situation with keyboards as a class, for the 3 decades asciilifeform's had contact with the subj, has been only deteriorating.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: there aint all that many chorders to choose from. gboard seems to be the cheapest / most customizable of the current crop.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: this is where the moar recent open fw items win
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-15 01:41:07 verisimilitude: It's a shame I see no venue to purchase a CyKey from.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: there are proggies that'll simulate, similar to above, stenotype on pc kbd. look around.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: if yes -- can try e.g. 'infogrip bat' or handmade similar.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: try 1st asciilifeform's microwriter emulator on a standard pc kbd, to see whether chordism is even 'for you'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: as for stenotypes, asciilifeform has never been interested in'em, given as they are narrowly specialized for transcribing monolingual human speech. if you try to use one for programming, where various 'not in dictionary' words, special chars, etc. -- will be quite frustrated.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-14 17:08:29 verisimilitude: I'd be grateful for any advice in stenography and chorded keyboards and whatnot.
(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude: using only one finger at a time to type did always strike me as wasteful
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-13 16:45:24 verisimilitude: Try using wget, adlai.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: often enuff, doesn't require direct control
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: can mention, wainot, all you like. just like nuffin wrong w/ mentioning division by 0. as opposed to doing it..
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: imho once you start even thinking 'prove my intelligence...' yer breathing own exhaust pipe
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: aka 'shrinkflation'(tm)(r)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i suspect that current-day aristos are a story of substance abuse. e.g. the medicis, did not have cocaine.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-10 13:26:13 verisimilitude: The parasites wasting obscene resources on ``high-frequency trading'' games are apparently still fine.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: outside of 'startupism' racket, most small biz folx i've run into do not suffer from delusion of 'get rich!11'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: while it is impossible to say that e.g. folx selling hats from carpets in the streets ~would refuse~ 'transition' to usgcorp -- not clear that any such folx spend time thinking about subj
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: see, this is that very same terminological confusion, and to the enemy's advantage. 'best buy', 'mcd', etc. aint 'businesses' in the sense of e.g. auto mechanic or asciilifeform's isp etc.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: lolwat?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the terminological abuse in calling e.g. ford 'a business' (rather than what it is -- an unofficial organ of the crown) -- is rather similar to the 'communism' of sovok
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: picture if cockroaches could write. what do you suppose they would write about ddt ?
(asciilifeform) mats: verisimilitude: or the folks with outdoor cats murdering local populations of rodents and birds, or those who commute to work in a hulking machine with less than three occupants, or those who fly from toronto to miami for vacation
(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude: also when we see them we get scared, which is probably a very good instinct
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: np
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: fixed the link w/ your requested desc. line.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-11-01 12:26:04 verisimilitude: Say, know it doesn't bother me, asciilifeform, but it's on my mind and I may as well mention it: My description on loper-os is ``Common Lisp and MIPS fella.'', but I've not actually done much MIPS lately; I think it would be better if ``MIPS'' became ``machine code'', say, but I'm not complaining.
(asciilifeform) adlai wonders in what way to attribute verisimilitude if/when copying the robots.txt file
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-14 15:15:07 verisimilitude: I feel like a man learning how to build houses, in a society where people expect them to collapse, and it's maddening.
(asciilifeform) adlai: it's a good language for writing efficient algorithms, and you actually can make the compiled code efficient on a given machine; the main reason this becomes a waste of human time is that CL is a good language for generality and portability, and once you begin digging into the details of compiled code... maybe your experience is different, verisimilitude, but I actually find that the will to live is
(asciilifeform) adlai: and before verisimilitude -- or anyone else -- get insulted by the words 'not much', consider that my standards for mathematics education are: 'kindergarden' = enough mathematics to work as a chartered accountant; 'elementary' = one mathematics degree, covering basics of modern algebra, i.e. slightly above my current level, although within plausible reach; 'working' = someone who can actually be
(asciilifeform) adlai does wonder how much formal mathematics learning verisimilitude has; the impression received so far is one of 'not much', although perhaps you also have at least the level of literacy referred to in the immediately preceding lines
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-28 15:52:49 billymg: verisimilitude: you seem to allude to the value this adds in your first article with "The mathematician can truly create notation that suits the context. The programmer cannot." could you explain more behind the "why" of creating native word-based rather than character-based text storage?
(asciilifeform) adlai: in other noose, at some point I'll have to give verisimilitude a piece of my mind about the Elision idea; although it should be, at earliest, after the next flu season, and perhaps once the idea has congealed sufficiently than I could anchor that link to one post instead of a log message.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-06 21:43:18 verisimilitude: I don't buy into the ``god emperor'' or ``4D chess'' nonsense, know.
(asciilifeform) adlai has deliberately made a controversial request, and is quite certain to receive a "don't tell me how to run my own webserver" complaint in response, quite possibly from someone other than verisimilitude ; topic is open for discussion.
(asciilifeform) adlai: verisimilitude: please use a different URL, if you choose to publish an improved version of that code.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-24 21:14:04 verisimilitude: I'll leave this up for a few days or so: http://verisimilitudes.net/base58
(asciilifeform) adlai notes, for the benefit of future readers, that http://verisimilitudes.net/base58 has expired by now.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-24 23:52:59 verisimilitude: I won't be making any more changes, since my plan is to discard the code later, anyway.
(spyked) feedbot: http://verisimilitudes.net/2021-02-02 << A Syndication of Verisimilitudes -- Abandoned Fields are Fertile Ground for Novel Research
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(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: while not untrue, it is rather like to say 'the only sensible way to build a garbage truck is as a gas-expansion system'. i.e. not usefully specific.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the technical term for the 'normal' world where 'ohno, of course you can't build a 2014 proggy in 2021' etc -- is 'shit soup'.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-01 14:27:12 verisimilitude: My Common Lisp programs still work, and will work decades from now, when Python 4 or whatever is being pushed next.
(asciilifeform) shinohai: verisimilitude: what is latest python drama?
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-30 16:08:04 verisimilitude: What are the ``sats'' being stacked?
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: yeah, i meant your APL-like example
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: couldn't you create a proof of concept of the language you envision on top of existing text encoding schemes? and then if it compiles down to machine code anyway i don't see why a new text encoding scheme is needed
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: i'm afraid a lot of this is over my head. i'm sure i can help with some js or ux related questions when you get to that stage. and perhaps visualizing the client experience will help me better understand the benefit of the underlying system
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: you seem to allude to the value this adds in your first article with "The mathematician can truly create notation that suits the context. The programmer cannot." could you explain more behind the "why" of creating native word-based rather than character-based text storage?
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: link to description of your Elision concept?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform assumed, from past thrds, that verisimilitude , like many folx, found a spot where the moneypipe drips a little. and logically not in a hurry to say where, lest the plumbers come & fix
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: yeah, even just a vague idea would engender some trust i think. most everyone else who's stuck around here for a while hasn't kept it a mega seekrit. i do understand the desire not to self-dox though
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: ah. some other industry, or just self-financing? i don't mean to be rude, just usually curious to know how one earns their bread when i meet them
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the weapon to kill'em hasn't yet been invented. in erry effort to date, they've successfully masqueraded among humans and redirected the killing harmlessly, to self, away to others.
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: if i may ask, do you work in some type of US tech company (of the "silicon valley" variety even if not in california)
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-28 14:08:26 verisimilitude: That requires a creature Y.
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: sure, though keep in mind i'm just a webshit programmer
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: in any case, it could also be argued it's a matter of "hate the game, don't hate the player". if any group is successful in their kvetching in order to get more gibs then hate the idiot populace that buys it
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: 'kvetching' was what led me to believe that's who you were referencing
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: i won't disagree with you there, and in fact i thought of them when reading alf's statement. though having lived in nyc for as long as i did and with some of my best friends being jewish i'd like to point out that not every jew == 'da jooz'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: sometimes is fashionable to instead imagine that yer ingroup is ~being~ murdered an' robbed (while exact opposite is taking place)
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: doesn't this put us exactly back at current 'strongest cabal gets the goods'. if group Y is stronger they get Z, if not, X holds onto it
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: don't follow, i'm equally against welfare in the form of bailouts for banks fwiw
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: in this case the poor who want to be
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: even hobo begging on street, arguably 'welfare recipient', i.e. from where come the coins the passers-by drop in his pan ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it's sorta about this. i rec to find a copy in some lang that you know
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: heh, yeah, i still don't see how we've moved past the 'god' ideal
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: by whom ?
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: or do you mean that these labor tokens are regulated in such a way that no man ever has enough surplus tokens to make those kinds of investments
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: i mean rather, i hire baker to bake bread for me, or builder to build house for me. the baker and builder are happy to exchange their labor for my tokens. i'm able to turn around and sell the product of their labor for more than i originally paid
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: what about exchange of tokens now for labor that results in value created (for the purchaser) greater than that of the tokens originally spent for the labor? -- would this be a bad function or a good function?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: dun recall whether yer in usa, but do you know what happens in usa if police/fire inspector/whatever stuffed shirt finds a bag w/ 100k $ in yer car/flat/boat/etc ?
(asciilifeform) billymg: verisimilitude: how do you propose distribution of resources in that society?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: just about errybody seems to invent money or something near, in or around bronze civ stage.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: counter-inflation device
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in its role as 'hodl machine', roughly analogous to au.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: are you familiar w/ 'red guards' in 20th c. cn ?
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: verisimilitude: https://www.thedailybeast.com/furious-demonstrators-swarm-cnn-center-in-atlanta-during-protest-of-george-floyds-death
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: verisimilitude: remember when CNN had some glass broken?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 0 to date in usa.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-28 12:50:21 thimbronion: verisimilitude: I don't know how they'll have any desire, but if they want to succeed they will have to participate in the actual economy, probably by doing something that is either unregulated or illegal.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: and 'real economy' was ~always~ 'game where only a certain group is allowed to benefit'. the occasional apparent departure from this is mere oversight.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: re 'desire to participate' -- this is arguably obsolete; are you old enuff to recall when (in usa & other 'civilized') fathers took children to bank to get toy accts, 'learn the wonders of compound interest', etc ? well today there aint any interest for plebe at the bank. nomoar carrot, stick -- will have to suffice.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in re bitcoin -- my point is that bitcoin doesn't per se stop folx who demand to be scammed from getting cleaned out. quite opposite.
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: verisimilitude: I don't know how they'll have any desire, but if they want to succeed they will have to participate in the actual economy, probably by doing something that is either unregulated or illegal.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: ~2k $
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'dun use weird bases' ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: what's yours ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: knuth vol.2 iirc has'em
(asciilifeform) Aerthean: verisimilitude: If you get around to it, post it, I'd like to read an Ada version. Also you guys are doing something more complicated than what I wrote above. It looks like you build a big-number based on summing (* (expt 256 byte-position) value-at-byte-position). Then convert to b58 via repeated use of the floor(_, 58) function.
(asciilifeform) Aerthean: verisimilitude: I saw that, you rewrote BV's version. I also wanted to write an implementation and decided to look the spec up and see what it said. Finding the spec...unclear, I went to the BC implementation and figured out how it worked, and thought I'd compare the output of the different versions as a cross-check and came across the differing outputs.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-25 09:59:30 shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-24#1030177 <<< this *is* much nicer to read verisimilitude. So many irons in fire atm but will serve as nice ref if I decide to tackle own. Thanx!
(asciilifeform) shinohai: So far, verisimilitude's version posted seems most concise, but have not tried yet. In heathendom there exists this one as well: https://github.com/eudoxia0/cl-base58/blob/master/src/cl-base58.lisp
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-25 12:56:12 Aerthean: shinohai and verisimilitude: Does Ben Vulpes's base58 encoding actually follow the one specified in BitCoin? I'm not getting the same results on the same input.
(asciilifeform) Aerthean: shinohai and verisimilitude: Does Ben Vulpes's base58 encoding actually follow the one specified in BitCoin? I'm not getting the same results on the same input.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-24 21:14:04 verisimilitude: I'll leave this up for a few days or so: http://verisimilitudes.net/base58
(asciilifeform) shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-24#1030177 <<< this *is* much nicer to read verisimilitude. So many irons in fire atm but will serve as nice ref if I decide to tackle own. Thanx!
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: I'll leave this up for a few days or so: http://verisimilitudes.net/base58
(asciilifeform) shinohai: verisimilitude: will read, though would personally prefer a paste for readability's sake.
(asciilifeform) shinohai: verisimilitude: I like to archive things I have used, for good or bad, and sometimes even refer back to 'em as reminders of what did and did not work.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: humans dun work well at 10+g (see also 'baka bomb')
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: at the time, in red army, however, dogs had been trained to carry a sack of explosive and jump under enemy tanks. was not mega-success (the dogs were trained on t34, and so if there were friendly tanks in the battlefield, they in fact went ~there~)