decimation: nevertheless, I take your point that the study of this history is worthwhile
BingoBoingo: decimation: Crassus was the Fire department
mircea_popescu: decimation in particular, the us fed was an attempt to copy germany, at the time extremely effectual.
decimation: although I don't know how one could find a history that isn't wrapped in progressive bullshit
mircea_popescu: it's easy to recast today as some sort of nefariousness, but if regarded properly rather than anchronistically it's just exactly the same as imperial russians trying to copy prussia.
mircea_popescu: at the time, in fact, the us and russia had a shitload in common : inept peripheral immense landmasses.
mircea_popescu: pretty much the same problems, the same solutions, the same obsession of women with french and men with german shit and so on.
mircea_popescu: nobody has made a "Russia and the US in the 1800s : A Tale Of Twin Sisters" monograph to date
mircea_popescu: this merely speaks to the poor quality of english "historians". where's the new york gibbon ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform russian side is a little better represented, but not much.
decimation: the historians who would be worth a shit are probably busy trying to keep their house and eat
BingoBoingo maybe surprisingly would still be willing to carry a rifle to tikrit in USia's name. Just since USia didn't accept my flirtations last time if they take me this time I want to pick the rifle.
mircea_popescu: life's what happens while people had other plans, an' posteriority remembers what you did BESIDES paying the bills.
BingoBoingo: Sand niggers are still a species of nigger
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They spotted me the last time with a specific mental defect they refuse to abide
mircea_popescu: you can probably make decent loot with the various brackwaters.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The fucking local mall turned me down last X-mas season. Not any specific vendor, but all of them.
BingoBoingo: I've a cousin who did some bracjwasser stuff
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BingoBoingo: Was bored, but at least he wasn't on a boat which was his greatest fear as a marine
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: qntra shares face scarcity necessarily
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Over time total new s.qntr per month is on a downward trend becasuse refinement
BingoBoingo: Each scam is only worth so many textual bullets
BingoBoingo: And if it wasn't for Moxenslit I wouls have been 1400 less words last month, but eulogy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But if brackwasser wants my hands they cn knock on my door as the FBI and Treasury department did.
BingoBoingo: Maybe they can actually hold together ling enough to submit a bid.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Your plague is high standards. So long as their only demand is I shoot brown people, then I and them will be fine.
mircea_popescu: i think they stole more circassians than the dutch stole africans.
BingoBoingo: As a USian I have to assume ISIS must be bad, and therefore Obumer sucks for not letting me take potshots at them.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Iran has always been more ready then the turks
decimation: asciilifeform: I thought iran went apeshit because of the british and us meddling
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: i was nearly disowned from marching band at one time for insisting on continuance to Star Spangled Banner's 3rd verse
decimation: BingoBoingo: should have sang the 'La Marseillaise'
BingoBoingo: decimation: I am not of Jurov's interface preferences
cazalla: damn, you piss heads are tempting me to drink now
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BingoBoingo: Seriouly though if USia offered me a mosin in exchange for 45 minutes at the ISIS border bleaching browns... I'd take that
decimation: BingoBoingo: this is roughly why usg is still in business
decimation: rivers of meat are still ready to serve
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They would recognize te sovient national anthem though given a picture of sean connery
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 19:37:51; danielpbarron: yeah, prepare to be hated and banned
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And yet it was my temporal lobes that betrayed me
mircea_popescu: anyway, this ssd kid is abso-fucking-lutely endearing.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Has #b-a actually banned ever?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: best I can tell they were anb honest n00b
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pity they never reg'd now it'll be damned hard to make the link.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i read almost the whole thing, i fail to see anything to indicate anything wrong with him.
BingoBoingo: sjsqd: is still welcome to my ear. Maybe I misse dsome other subject
decimation: asciilifeform: how did you find that 'new lamer' guy? incoming links?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That, plus their poor timing
mircea_popescu: but children are born thus. the infrastructure if you wish. the pulmonary shunt.
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decimation: asciilifeform: I feel sorry for the poor guy, his heart is in the right place but he has no idea what kind of elephant he is trying to eat
cazalla: BingoBoingo, what ya drinking, vodka?
BingoBoingo: decimation: The solution is not shooting him yet, but giving him a historical cadaver to explore
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at some point in the 90s knew a whole bunch of chicks who technically lived there
mircea_popescu: came back home "to study" 9 months in the year, hung out with husband over summer.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Yes. Not vodka really. Just plain grain alcohol... and time... and dreams... of USia giving me brown people as a target...
cazalla: BingoBoingo, believe it or not, i've yet to imbibe this month but you're encouraging.. so
decimation: the arabs import everything, food, women, work
decimation: asciilifeform: if they are gentlemen scholars they don't seem to publish in english
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently they're very insecure people, spend a lot of time wondering.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 19:53:30; assbot: I just realized /hashtag/golang?src=hash's "go get" falls back to HTTP when HTTPS fails ☹ /hashtag/RussianRouletteSoftwareDistribution?src=hash /hashtag/CurlPipeSudoBash?src=hash /hashtag/yolo?src=hash /E_I_T
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 19:56:49; PeterL: does Eulora have an official website?
mircea_popescu: artifexd ^ i would hope you won't have that problem ? :D
BingoBoingo wonders why USG won't consider cost effective ISIS solutions
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 20:11:02; asciilifeform: PeterL: but you'll find that much of what programmers actually object to in ada is precisely the good parts
danielpbarron: the reason i didn't clarify at the time was that i kinda hope he does go and write a LTBarticle about this place and get himself banned from "the community"
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i think it's at breaking point, that "community"
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: That is neither a problem nor a lack therof
mircea_popescu: treason's only a hanging offence originally. soon enough...
danielpbarron: it would be good for him to get ejected from their midst
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: So your disagreement relatred ratings
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Contrast the case of 'Rozal'
danielpbarron: i gave rozal -10 for being a self described liar, and some others got a -1 or -2 for striking me as sketchy..
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 20:13:24; asciilifeform: there is even a 'rationale' document (also book) ready to argue with you
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think your view of what is after all a natural process is too informed by categorical logic.
mircea_popescu: real objects can of course never be categorically anything.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: You initially gave him a small negative rating out of dislike and it was described as such. I hung him for fabricating allegations of theft.
danielpbarron: what is the point of -10 if not for also having access to the other integers between it and 0
mircea_popescu: holy shit 2k lines that aren't your own are hard as fucking coffin nails
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: For the dark mark. He got -10 for most grevious crime
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. wot is "level of confidence i have a complete picture of this person"
BingoBoingo: PeterL I would much prefer to read an article than to listen to some guy talking. << And this is how the world ends. Not with a whimper, but with a 7.62x54R bang
artifexd: I'm pretty heads down on it so 1) I am falling very behind on logs and 2) I'm not hanging out in here
artifexd: But, I do get pinged if my name shows up and I don't want y'all to think it has been forgotten.
artifexd: While interesting, that doesn't affect gossipd because I'm using lower level networking.
danielpbarron: Funny how not long it takes the Christian to start a holy war upon the poor Arab! << LOL, I honestly didn't even consider his ethnicity; I have a /stab alias for when people annoy me
artifexd: Oh, actually that is complaining about one of the golang tools. And it would be dangerous if you had a MITM that could swap out code inflight and were importing external code directly.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Golang seems to have a lot of those holes
BingoBoingo adires tedu as guy aho makes bullshit mor menory safe, questions... the rest pf the corpus
decimation: asciilifeform: I assume you saw the sudden freakout over hilariously weak crypto implemented by spec in SSL?
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assbot: Kerckhoffs’ history and principles of military cryptography, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
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punkman: when did they throw away the old cozy design...
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punkman: gribble doesn't like buttstamp anymore?
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punkman: cazalla, I will contribute by only using purple sex toys on the girl
punkman: it's the color of equality
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mircea_popescu: cazalla what's "women's day" got to do with "digital currency" w/e the shit that means.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6575 @ 0.00037706 = 2.4792 BTC [+]
cazalla: mircea_popescu, seems an opportunity for them to stick their dcc branded shit next to an even bigger shittier brand, that being international wimminz day
mircea_popescu: keep keeping the magic buttons next to other magic buttons so the magic keeps infusing from one to the other and multiplying and shit.
mircea_popescu: soon enough they'll have enough mana stored up to resurect zig ziggler
mircea_popescu: and bring about three apocalypses for the low low price of 19.95
mircea_popescu: if you apocalypse now you also get this free set of dragonbane absolutely free!
mircea_popescu: PLUS! if you only use purple toys on the girl you get a bactericide cream for the vajayjay ABSOLUTELY FREE
mircea_popescu: "While Amin's articles, author profile at Coin Brief and twitter account have since been deleted, a copy of his author archive at Coin Brief remains available via Google cache and is mirrored here."
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would people do this. doesn't it stand to reason it's interesting now ? why delete it ?
cazalla: i know eh, his site has been mentioned in the wapo, cnn.. and he goes and deletes it lol
cazalla: the guys content that is, not the site itself
mircea_popescu: anyway, since this is such a big deal (!?), anyone know of some of these isis reddit users ?
mircea_popescu: we could have a script to changetip them fiddy satoshi till the cows come home
mircea_popescu: or whatever, the bruhaha makes me want to send usd to isis now. how do i go about it ?
cazalla: nope, but i'd laugh if they began to include a QR code in their head chop videos
cazalla: donate x amount of BTC to see this guy go free by such and such date
mircea_popescu: <10 btc, beheaded. < 100 btc, stabbed in esophagus. etc.
cazalla: perhaps a custom video for the largest changetipper
mircea_popescu: 100 btc guy goes free (o oops, a DIFFERENT group got him just as he was leaving our compound)
mircea_popescu: anyway, the recently failed megaoffensive on tikrit produced from what i hear a good few thousands prisoners
mircea_popescu: the eventual fate of everyone working for that thing anyway, why wait.
mircea_popescu: "pay $50 to watch pvt 1st class joshua cooper learn to give oral pleasure to Berg, the great dane"
cazalla: i believe the aussie pm send 300 soliders to join the fight these past few days
cazalla: sent*.. i'm not even drinking yet speak the engrish
cazalla: i'm not so sure the great dane shit would be that popular
mircea_popescu: well whatcha gonna do, gayness is not allowed i think ?
cazalla: i dunno, the egyptian pilot who got toasty'd was quite popular
fluffypony: [11:05:44] <+mircea_popescu>lol twitter murdered bryce weiner ? ahaha <- lol, anyone know what the story is?
mircea_popescu: anyway, if isis had any sense they'd just steal the liveshow format. what's that thing called where they put x guys in a house ?
cazalla: he change tipped an alleged isis twitter account fluffypony lol
cazalla: mircea_popescu, big brother
mircea_popescu: anyway, if there's an official isis accounts list somewhere, i'm totally game to send them whatever 0.0050 cents or w/e changetip does.
cazalla: there probably is somewhere
cazalla: can't say i'm keen to be the first aussie bitcoiner nailed to the cross for simply mentioning bitcoin and ISIS in the same sentence though..
cazalla: the cops already shut down an arterial road a few suburbs over this afternoon because some guy dared shoot annoying birds with an air rifle
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sjsqd: sorry afk have to visit family
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cazalla: btw sjsqd, are you indian?
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mircea_popescu: Because it is endangered and endemic to the area, development projects have been restricted to preserve its habitat. For example, the Dickey-Lincoln dam, a $227 million hydroelectric project proposed on the upper Saint John River in 1974, was deauthorized by Congress in 1986 after years of study, because the dam would have flooded 88,000 acres (360 km2) of Maine forest and severely reduced the lousewort's habitat. Some
mircea_popescu: criticized ending the dam project to protect the lousewort; Time magazine called the idea "downright silly" in 1977. While thought extinct at the time the dam was proposed, it was rediscovered in 1976 by C.D. Richards while doing surveys to determine the environmental impact of the dam.
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assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 09:09:14; mircea_popescu: or whatever, the bruhaha makes me want to send usd to isis now. how do i go about it ?
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punkman: mircea_popescu: criticized ending the dam project to protect the lousewort; << who the fuck cares about the lousewort
punkman: flooding a nice forest probably not the best idea, but their argument rests on lousewort?!
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danielpbarron: height=252240 vs height=199051 (usb3: height=234650)
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ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> [05:31] mircea_popescu: Has #b-a actually banned ever? << tiberius.
ben_vulpes: <decimation> [05:35] asciilifeform: I feel sorry for the poor guy, his heart is in the right place but he has no idea what kind of elephant he is trying to eat << more like a spittoon
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [05:53] am i alone in using wot as was originally taught, 'level of confidence that this key represents person who is what they wish to believe us they are' ? << would this be the ancient "gpg wot" standard?
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thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: yea. now we can associate bitcoin trades to a key to associate trust value.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: o.O havelock returns ? << we are dealing with undead. it is to be expected...
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adlai: his name was robert paulsen
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adlai: it ain't a cryptoparty if nobody's having fundation
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assbot: coalbe is not registered in WoT.
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ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.coalbe.1:7963e8bebaef17f239758f67e4784ead88f565b669ba7319af114b55def5638b
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for coalbe with note: bad puns
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lobbes: !rate BingoBoingo 1 Helped me publish my first qntra article; all-around cool guy
lobbes: !v assbot:lobbes.rate.BingoBoingo.1:dddea0c2eacbe967fa5d475c36c3906904f651d7d5baba3f4a06f5eefe7eefa
assbot: Invalid verfication string.
mike_c: looks like you are 1 character short.
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lobbes: mike_c: you have better eyes than I
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BingoBoingo: Oh, I though maybe this was the sort of fan you replace for insufficient adoration
cazalla: DigitalCurrency (@DCCCertified) favorited one of your Tweets! <<< bwahaha they don't even follow the links to see what it is, just fav away for tities lol
cazalla: and fuck, i wish it was summer, first week of autumn and the mornings are already cold and dark
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: you have given me imagery of asciilifeform having a "posse". asciilifeform: "Why are you people following me?" Member of posse: "Oh, we're you're crew. We follow you everywhere."
kakobrekla: tip: if you need a quiet fan, get one 'be quiet' makes
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kakobrekla: i dont know from the top of my head which one bq uses but i bought 50 high end fans a year+ ago and tested them all
kakobrekla: i was testing for low rpm quietness where noise from bearings is the problem, noting else
BingoBoingo: Perfectly good occasions exist to compare bulldog and rhinoceros
kakobrekla: checked: "fluid-dynamic bearing with copper core (300.000 operating hours)"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00038662 = 2.4744 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: but then second problem is running them slow enough - which only bq did as far as my tests went
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00038662 = 2.745 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: but the fans have a minimum speed at which they will actually turn
kakobrekla: pwm fans have this hardcoded so to speak
kakobrekla: most common seems to be around 500 or 600 rpm
kakobrekla: iirc that particular shot is pwm controlled
kakobrekla: i had one of such 'ionization' clean air gadgets running for some time some years ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00038662 = 3.6729 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00038886 = 1.7499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00039363 = 4.5661 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9662 @ 0.00039964 = 3.8613 BTC [+]
jurov: not very healthy for breathing
BingoBoingo: Well, not if you get to much. What harm can the occasional whiff of it do?
jurov: we were talking about kako's ozone generator
jurov: running (presumably) all day
punkman: ozone helps kill odours, so "cleaner" air
jurov: ^ as per above, it does not affect organic molecules. just numbs the smell cells, I guess.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 3384 @ 0.012 = 40.608 BTC [+]
jurov: wtf GrandHierophant
cazalla: asciilifeform, it's early :\
mike_c: i don't quite get this theory that they aren't actually selling the coins.
thestringpuller: mike_c: they don't sell coins. they make you think they are selling coins.
mike_c: There isn't much doubt that they took ulbricht's coins, right?
mike_c: i understand the theory :) I don't get the basis.
thestringpuller: winning bidder says, "Oh i received coins." with gun at head in background from USG suit and tie
thestringpuller: mike_c: price suppression is basis, but maybe there is more strategy to it?
mike_c: seems there ought to be some reasonable blockchain evidence one way or the other. don't we know the ulbricht address in question?
mike_c: price suppression doesn't mean they are selling fake coins, it would be the same if they were selling real coins.
mike_c: asciilifeform: the price suppression comes because when someone wants x thousand coins they have this avenue. where otherwise they would be harder/more expensive to obtain.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: given the FDIC-like insurance scheme enemy is planning, i would think it probably there is some ability to forcefully liquidate funds against trader's wills (at least smaller ones)
mike_c: the auctions are siphoning off demand that could otherwise show up on some exchange. and while the exchanges don't move in perfect tandem, they do move close unless something is wrong.
mike_c: the price drops as supply exceeds demand (in a macro sense). if you believe that draper, silbert, etc. represented demand, and that the demand would have eventually made its way to the exchanges even if not directly
mike_c: then the absence of that demand would suppress the price. whether this leads to flat, falling, or only "not rising as much" price
mike_c: depends on how much other demand there is
danielpbarron: aren't there 3.6k coins found every day that need to find a new home or else a miner can't pay his electricity bill?
mike_c: that depends on who you ask. some will say that miners mine specifically to get nice clean coins and aren't selling to pay bills.
danielpbarron: what is a clean coin? i thought there is no taint in bitcoin
mike_c: others say that the big miners don't have to worry about paying electricity bills..
mike_c: as has been more or less proven in here before, the big miners aren't buying KNC/bitmain/whoever rigs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00038968 = 4.0916 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: Current Blocks: 346316 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 435 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 34 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47085869256.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.86002
mike_c: "nothing whatsoever". If hash power goes up by an order of magnitude more than the output of the minig rig manufacturers, something is known.
mike_c: like KNC is underreporting their sales?
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 270.25, Best ask: 270.46, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 270.47, 24 hour volume: 55311.03169349, 24 hour low: 262.0, 24 hour high: 275.0, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00038793 = 5.1789 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: well they aren't paying their electric bills directly in bitcoin.. yet
jurov: felipelalli: About coinbr.com, what happens if my account stay negative "forever"? << eventually coinbr will ask you to cover the unpaid fees, otherwise some assets get liquidated in, say, 12 months
jurov: i could not be arsed to do it yet
felipelalli: Thank you jurov! :) So, the only way to "pause" the fees when our account is kind of inactive is selling all assets and removing the account? Is it possible to remove an account and keep the assets?
mike_c: ;;calc 0.19 * 12 * [ticker --last]
mike_c: ;;calc 0.019 * 12 * [ticker --last]
jurov: are these bitcents really such a problem?
felipelalli: So, it is fun to play in MPEx and CoinBR only if you are really rich! :) Not my case right now, yet.
jurov: not yet. unpaid fees just accumulate, not even that if you get any dividends
felipelalli: well, if I buy like $10 in assets, if I pay $5 / month I am making a bad deal, right?
jurov: it's what you do with fiat assets? to ask broker to manage $10 woth of them?
felipelalli: well! That's why I am saying I cannot play yet! :) I'm investing hard in my business, I can't invest hard in MPEx assets yet right now.
jurov: anyway i plan the possiblity to loan everything to coinbr, with dividend payments directly to your address
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: well I keep my private key in a back up in a tube up my but
jurov: no fees, but your assets would be available only 30 days after calling or so
jurov: similar like i do for qntra people
jurov: who haven't asked me otherwise
jurov: you can see it as pause
felipelalli: that would be great. But $5 / mo worth it, I thought it was more expensive, don't know why. I'll continue to pay that even without big investments yet.
BingoBoingo doesn't see why jurov shouldn't get paid for "fire and forget" Could be a one time fee much larger than the monthly fee.
mike_c: it *is* fire and forget. he doesn't liquidate you if you have unpaid fees
felipelalli: jurov: maybe a year plan would be nice as well.
felipelalli: mike_c: yes. now I think jurov is too much nice. :D
danielpbarron: i'd hate to see things get too user friendly up in here :p
jurov: don't worry, when i finally implement these loans, i'll start nagging
danielpbarron: or else every "homo reddicus" with $10 will end up spamming the orderbook
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Or simply selling access to his proxy for a fixed price option. Maybe in the range of 5-20% of what the mpex account costs, so still an intege BTC price in this hypothetical.
jurov: and it isn't a big sum anyway
jurov: felipelalli: but really, you'd give up your ability to trade online for such "free account"?
felipelalli: danielpbarron: it isn't $ 10, it was just an exaggeration. I guess I have more than $ 100 there.
jurov: you're ok with 30day delay?
felipelalli: jurov: the point is that I don't want to "trade online", I don't have time for that. I just want to buy MPEx or QNTRA for example and let there, sleeping.
jurov: orly. even better for me.
jurov: thestringpuller that's exactly what i do have in mind
felipelalli: aahahah, I allow. He can make fractional reserve. If this pay my fee.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00039 = 2.34 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 100 @ 0.03833099 = 3.8331 BTC [-] {6}
mike_c: that's the point of coinbr though. they pay jurov for the right to harrass him
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00038225 = 5.428 BTC [-]
mike_c: people call charles schwab, not NYSE, when they have a problem.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 325 @ 0.0125 = 4.0625 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: same reason as havelock. buy a few shares and you feel a part of something big.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15463 @ 0.00038225 = 5.9107 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: it can be interesting with as little as .. 5 .. 10 coins
mike_c: yeah, some like ada :D
mike_c: there's nothing wrong with taking a few btc and playing around on coinbr as a way to learn more about btc finance world.
danielpbarron: asciilifeform's got a good point though, with such little amounts you aren't going to move the market -- might as well just pretend trade in a txt file
mike_c: if you have 3 btc, and you just doubled it to 6 in the recent qntra surge, you probably are quite happy with yourself.
mike_c: why not gamble on a +EV game?
ben_vulpes: and how'd you know that, asciilifeform?
mike_c: maybe they not only are reading this, they are writing it! :)
mike_c: in reality, nobody can reliably turn x into 2x.
mike_c: at least not more than a couple time
mike_c: this requires non-public knowledge
mike_c: like what the order book looked like across time
mike_c: depends on liquidity.. maybe for mpoe. even there, not really
mike_c: well, I not only have a clue, i have the order book history :)
mike_c: infinitesimal, no. but then you're 'perfect knowledge' bot isn't going to make so much anyway
mike_c: mm, not quite. because order book could have been better than price history at times
mike_c: bid climbs up, then down, then sale happens. if you had sold at higher bid you would have done better than 'perfect info' bot
mike_c: ok, but that's what i'm saying. the god needs non-public info
mike_c: i'll leave it at this - you will come up with a number that is just as useful with public info as you would with non-public info.
jurov: bitbet is certain to make 7% dividend next month
jurov: to buy it does not need any perfect bot
mike_c: bitbet dividend = rand()
jurov: mike_c: have you read the last report?
jurov: so, nobody even reads the fkn reports
mike_c: jurov: just a poke at the frequency of dividend mistakes on that asset :)
jurov: and they want to have" perfect bots"
mike_c: well, plus he is incorrect. monthly volume is over 1% of total shares.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 8051 @ 0.00018861 = 1.5185 BTC [+] {5}
jurov: well. avg s.mpoe dividend is about 100 satoshi
ben_vulpes: more effective to not do it and just buy btc.
jurov: ;;calc 0.2*100000000/100
jurov: ;;calc 0.02*100000000/100
jurov: ^ this many shares you need to stay even
jurov: ;;calc 20000*0.0004
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2620 @ 0.00038225 = 1.0015 BTC [-]
jurov: nad you'd be fine with 90day delay to access them, too?
jurov: and what you are interested in?
jurov: well, that's not my business
jurov: can you pls explain the issue?
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http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 84.8305122 BTC. Current weight: 72,110.
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 28.65000237 BTC. Current weight: 68,632.
jurov: i'm trying to make do under some constraints, which i explained several time here
jurov: having thousands of chumps pounding on on mpex accounts is just unthinkable, hence the fees.
jurov: *on one mpex account
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:13:44; asciilifeform: is depth really a concern for infinitesimal working sum ?
adlai not sure if he counts as a 'folks with a clue'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6119 @ 0.00038007 = 2.3256 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: they could be using my gizmo only if it worked as boiler room
adlai notes to self to offer asciilifeform a seat on the escape rocket, should the clue ever be proven
adlai: specifically, scalpl's purpose is to produce the fastest possible escape rocket for a given (parametrizable) risk tolerance; once that technology is in place, it's just a matter of finding a market for which the maximum speed at your risk tolerance exceeds escape velocity
adlai: !s carnot from:asciilifeform
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:10:23; asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone ever try the exercise of writing a 'pefect knowledge' bot that tells you 'what could have been' ?
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 21:02:54; mike_c: seems there ought to be some reasonable blockchain evidence one way or the other. don't we know the ulbricht address in question?
jurov: (parametrizable) risk tolerance << and this is solved problem in finance?
adlai: nope, but it's a problem that individuals can tackle for themselves
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 8000 @ 0.00018125 = 1.45 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2683 @ 0.0003914 = 1.0501 BTC [+]
adlai: the 'perfect knowledge' bot - are you using the word 'perfect' to suggest that it knows what _will_ happen?
adlai: because that is pure masturbation
adlai: there's a lot of interesting knowledge in the distribution of expected liquidity events given all other data on the market, but it's far from 'perfect', because it gives you, at best, a precisely calculated distribution of 'past performance'
punkman: I don't think carnot cycle is a good analogy here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00037559 = 4.6949 BTC [-] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 89.8305122 BTC. Current weight: 72,075.
adlai: calling this 'np-complete' is like calling ftl drive research 'expensive'
adlai: the information isn't just hard to attain, it doesn't exist
adlai: "market will go up" is different from "joe impulse trader will press the button once he sees N flashing numbers", and 'perfect information' requires the latter, which is for all practical purposes, random
adlai: more personally, if perfect information exists, scalpl is truly a wild goose chase; i'm betting my time on perfect information not existing, and there being room for patience to profit off information fuzzyness
adlai: gathering and interpreting actual information is a totally different story, and there's a huge amount of information that most/all human traders totally *ignore*, and that's as mike_c said - past order book movements
assbot: friedcat is not registered in WoT.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9336 @ 0.00038768 = 3.6194 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: asciilifeform: 'x % kills' << this would be a totally meaningless epsilon for any 'perfect information bot' that actually acts on that information
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00039239 = 4.434 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00040062 = 8.8537 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00040226 = 2.6348 BTC [+]
cazalla: look like indiana jones' number might be up
cazalla: or han solo depending on your preference
BingoBoingo: Oh, is Harrison Ford kicking the bucket soon?
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 12:47:00; punkman: flooding a nice forest probably not the best idea, but their argument rests on lousewort?!
mircea_popescu: i think it's unseemly that they should be further encouraged.
mircea_popescu: the sooner they lose all hope the sooner their children can begin tearing up redditardamerica and building a livable space north of rio grande.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu aha you're quite right about the scytales. a variable diameter stick is really a fascinating way of graphing cryptographic curves.
mircea_popescu: greeks, way ahead of romans and their spawn ONCE AGAIN
mircea_popescu: they had the atomic theory, they had the steam engine, they had the works.
pete_dushenski: "The aeolipile was a hollow sphere mounted so that it could turn on a pair of hollow tubes that provided steam to the sphere from a cauldron. The steam escaped from the sphere from one or more bent tubes projecting from its equator, causing the sphere to revolve. The aeolipile is the first known device to transform steam into rotary motion."
cazalla: got another retweet for the bits for tits trilema post.. this time by a bitcoin magazine for women.. ah ha, they don't even read, just retweet
cazalla: of course, i'm working on the assumption these are lefties who would be grossly offended at such an idea but you never know..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00040568 = 9.3915 BTC [+] {4}
adlai: what's this about graphing curves?
mircea_popescu: the weirdo abominable us "lefties", which are really a sort of recycled aunt pollies, yes.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, a lefty commune more likely to be nude than otherwise.
adlai: sure, i know what scytales are. but 'a variable diameter stick is really a fascinating way of graphing cryptographic curves.' = ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, aren't the us lefties the type of lefties behind bitcoin wimminz day anyway
cazalla: the other leftie type being.. amir/hippy types living in a hovel engaging in drug fuelled orgies?
adlai: pete_dushenski: could be. scytales just rearrange the 'packets' of a message, whereas modern crypto jumbles the data within
pete_dushenski: " the scytale, consisted of a tapered baton around which was spirally wrapped a piece of parchment inscribed with the message. When unwrapped the parchment bore an incomprehensible set of letters, but when wrapped around another baton of identical proportions, the original text reappeared. "
adlai: it just changes the order of the letters
pete_dushenski: adlai being ignorant of the difference between rearranging packets and jumbling, can you expand ?
mircea_popescu: adlai "packets" "data within", what is this, we make up words day ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00040817 = 4.694 BTC [+]
assbot: The fashionability of being uncompetitive. Because Reasons. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
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adlai: pete_dushenski: let's say scytale diameter is em/2π, ie the message has six 'rows', and each sextet of letters on the wrapped paper corresponds to a column
adlai: the scytale cipher is equivalent to drawing a long table with six rows (adding columns as needed), and writing out the message to fill the column; then all the letters are jumbled. but the letters remain unchanged
adlai: it leaks information about the message content, even if you don't get the full thing
mircea_popescu: adlai you are making assumptions about the length of the parchment.
jurov: so what. should have used klein bottles or such.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10222 @ 0.00040817 = 4.1723 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: (the thing you folks call stadium in english an' stadion in french :) )
jurov: if the "perfect bot" ends up with less then complete monopoly, then it's non-prefect by definition
jurov: unless we can endlessly argue that monopoly is not optiomal outcome for its owner
jurov: the boundary is now carnot cycle but complete pwnage
jurov: in 2009 there was only epsilon
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what i mean is, that you need the volume to be defined by the same angle all around the center. ie, you need a baton that can be turned. whereas in practice they'd use unturned batons.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu asciilifeform could also be variable taper
mircea_popescu: crpto, 3k years ago as today : if naively implemented, trivial. if not... well.... ahem.
mircea_popescu: yes, but the problem becomes similar to "crack this otp"
mircea_popescu: more like cracking rsa : for the techology they had at the time, absolute security.
mircea_popescu: fixed distance i mean. if you have a 100 cm pad with 1 leter per cm, yes.
mircea_popescu: if you have a 5km pad with 1 letter per 1.1 cm on average, from 1 to 2, then no.
adlai: the cool thing about nonphysical crypto is that you can generate unclonable objects together with a physically separated party
adlai: shared secret generation
pete_dushenski: adlai the cool thing about everything nonphysical is... its nonphysicality ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10384 @ 0.00039901 = 4.1433 BTC [-]
adlai: i guess everything's clonable, so that's the wrong analogy to make; physical unclonable items would be used for authentication ('thing is as i remember it'), shared secrets are used for secure communication
mircea_popescu: adlai> i guess everything's clonable, << what's this, progress hour ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25936 @ 0.00040536 = 10.5134 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00037772 = 8.5742 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, that entire "oh, let's use someone else's stuff because it's stuff and why not" thing is dead.
mircea_popescu: they have shat the stick, so to speak. no further usage of anything unless it's in the wot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 85 @ 0.03812376 = 3.2405 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: be it google or apple, it can fucking rot. everything will have to be reimplemented.
mircea_popescu: sure. but as a matter of principle, the naive 1990s hippy "here's a thing i found, i am using it now" thing jumped the shark.
mircea_popescu: will make "get big fast" fucking impossible to get revenue on, because all the customers you want are not going by marketing.
mircea_popescu: and it'll make it fucking impossible fgor all the retarded "Women in internet" to make a living at their usual scams, marketing, pr, whatever.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 116 @ 0.012 = 1.392 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 20:32:25; jurov: ^ as per above, it does not affect organic molecules. just numbs the smell cells, I guess.
mircea_popescu: "The same chemical properties that allow high concentrations of ozone to react with organic material outside the body give it the ability to react with similar organic material that makes up the body, and potentially cause harmful health consequences. When inhaled, ozone can damage the lungs (see - "Ozone and Your Health")."
mircea_popescu: obviously, the reference is broken, because "We recently updated AIRNow.gov". and apparently they think this is how you say "we've recently brokenb airnow.gov"
mircea_popescu: i am certainly not taking any advice from these morons.
mircea_popescu: the smelly parts are particularly susceptible, incidentally. both aromatics and sulphide types.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the idea is to treat air with ozone in an ozone trap.
mircea_popescu: yes well, the epa idiocy was not finding the room, among very usefully distinctive verbiage like "Healthy people, as well as those with respiratory difficulty, can experience breathing problems when exposed to ozone.", to specify this
mircea_popescu: it's you know... kinda important. seeing how they didn't title it "a particularly braindamaged misimplementation of ozone air purifying"
mircea_popescu: tbh, i don't know there exists material more intellectually objectionable than the shit pouring out of the usg.
mircea_popescu: The Express? ill-defined sources appear to want to tell a story about SIGINT succeeded rather then explain how it is that SIGINT failed (at least accor ding to the story getting told publicly).' << doh.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 833 @ 0.012 = 9.996 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: here's the long and the short of this story : you got two whores, just like in the chemistry and agriculture story. one's whomint, the other's slutmint. you gotta fuck either one or the other. they both have very specific, life altering constraints.
mircea_popescu: if you decide to fuck whomint, where the fuck is harry poter fanfic boy going to find money to pay for his groceries ?
mircea_popescu: he'll have to fucking walk on streets and talk to people and non-aspie shit like that.
mircea_popescu: so you're stuck with slutmint. no matter what fucking happens, it's going to have been a story about how "we" definitely need more slutmint, and all the time and resources spent in the past on slutmint was a good idea.
mircea_popescu: we got slutmint and yekutzky can go on writing about what gangrene said to liberty valance or w/e.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo this is entirely a subjective problem.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23299 @ 0.0003713 = 8.6509 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: just like the retarded 17yo who thinks she's a supermodel perceives peoiple walking down the street as "her audience", the redditard generation will perceive everything as sigint rules. because... that's the only thing they can do.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "it doesn't work" ? this presumes an alt-universe in which there are alternatives, so things could not work. the world they inhabit knows no such thing, and so... of course it works.
mircea_popescu: your first doesn't lead to your second, so which do i admit, the first or the sercond ?
mircea_popescu: that's a generous problem to solve, seeing how the part that'll ever get solved was never not solved, and the rest isn't happening.
mircea_popescu: you're looking at a cat and seeing love. it's just a cat.
mircea_popescu: the very notion that the us has any sort of purpose, not even conscious or expressible, but any sort whatsoever is ridiculous on its face. it has all the purpose of a shambling headless zombie. which is why they're stuck trying to invent nonsense, "women and gayz! anti pedo!!" etc.
mircea_popescu: it's the exact equivalent of german kids that are "anti nazi". orly ?
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 21:01:23; mike_c: There isn't much doubt that they took ulbricht's coins, right?
mike_c: but the coins are moving. how does that work?
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 21:02:00; mike_c: i understand the theory :) I don't get the basis.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly identical to bfl delivering miners, with USMS playing the role of inaba.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the onus is not on observers to explain the usg. the usg made some claims, which were in due time proven false.
mircea_popescu: sure, it's "not been 100% proven as a scam". this however isn't the criteria. you lie, you get caught, you're fucked.
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 21:02:54; mike_c: seems there ought to be some reasonable blockchain evidence one way or the other. don't we know the ulbricht address in question?
mircea_popescu: the blockchain is not an evidentiary record for third parties.
mircea_popescu: "The development on Capitol Hill came the same day The Associated Press reported the existence of a personal email server traced back to the Chappaqua, New York, home of Clinton. The unusual practice of a Cabinet-level official running her own email server would have given Clinton who is expected to run for president in the 2016 campaign significant control over limiting access to her message archives."
mircea_popescu: derp. emails still travel in plaintext, and this is the sigint we get ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform clinton's going to claim 'hacked' when one of these emails shows something undue ?
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 21:40:01; mike_c: $5 / month is rich?
mircea_popescu: she's definitely the more intellectually capable husk they got floating around. who else, jeb, bush's retarded brother/cousin/sister in law ?
mircea_popescu: the other obama is not really qualified to run kim's shoe boutique.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i seem to recall you saying something to the effect of 'old women in power are the fucking worst'
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski not my country, whadda i care. she's still the only not braidamaged runner so far.
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> asciilifeform clinton's going to claim 'hacked' when one of these emails shows something undue ? << a good reason to use usg mailservers and own your keys
mircea_popescu: which is why the democrats have alternatives. because she's not running.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu repblicans don't exactly 'have alternative', much less plural
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu and i'd still bet a nickel on the republicans
pete_dushenski: dems might take even longer shot because ya, doesn't much matter.
cazalla: pete_dushenski, pretty sure she can't announce nomination until such and such a date.. part of what made the bitbet bet's that clinton and rand would announce last year an easy win
pete_dushenski: might as well make an interesting ballot pairing of two people noone has ever heard of
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> which is why the democrats have alternatives. because she's not running. << implying she might run in 8 years?
pete_dushenski: actually, osama's body is much like these usms auctions
pete_dushenski: 'we made a movie and it won an oscar so history happened!'
adlai wonders what evidence you're expecting to see of the auctions
pete_dushenski: and since osama is basically the usg's religious messiah, come to save it from internal destruction by providing an external enemy, why not make a whole church service around him
pete_dushenski: adlai 'the winner' getting out of dodge and never looking back would do.
pete_dushenski: so barring that much braindamage in a single vessle, we should see silbert or whoever packing their bags for rio de janeiro
adlai: it's a problem, the people who frequent such yardsales probably like hanging around the yard
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mats: i managed to make ~60% ROI in the 13 months ive had a coinbr account
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4671 @ 0.00040988 = 1.9145 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: not sure what i was thinking except that i like the chapter:verse thing
danielpbarron: sounds like the book is timeless or something / probably a good investment
danielpbarron: mats, was 60% enough to make up for the drop in USD/BTC price?
danielpbarron: i found a used one for 60 USD (the new is twice that) and impulsively added it to another order i had pending
mats: no, i bought a majority of it at 800 BTCUSD
danielpbarron: mats, so your "gains" were really just you helping out the fiat traders / at least it beat buying bitcoin and doing nothing with it
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, i searched for the code you mentioned in here, and yeah it says 95 in the title or whatever
mats: yes, thats the downside to having imperfect information
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decimation: aren't those all published on the internet?
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 21:51:43; jurov: thestringpuller that's exactly what i do have in mind
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> "implying she might run in 8 years?" << no, being facetious.
decimation: asciilifeform: the wisdom I've picked up from my own experiments and reading about yours is that it seems the ada compiler you choose is critical
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mircea_popescu: "18* adlai wonders what evidence you're expecting to see of the auctions" << complete misstatement of the situaiton. read the logs. search for "foia" might help
mircea_popescu is mildly offended at this "i will persist in being a redditard" attitude, for the record.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you have reignited my love for computers again
mircea_popescu: fun fact : elf does not contain a windows byte. netbsd, linux, system v etc.
decimation: wasn't it well known that microsoft stole the bsd IP stack for windows NT?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i love old microshit tho. found a copy of 3d studio R1 from 1990, and it runs on ms dos
decimation: yeah it was a stolen reimplemenation of cp/m as i recall
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:00:28; asciilifeform: i kinda wonder why poor folks are even interested in mpex (or, for that matter, schwab)
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:06:11; mike_c: yeah, some like ada :D
mircea_popescu: if one is willing to take this tack, i wonder why one's not going the whole nine yards and throwing out the keyboard.
decimation: mircea_popescu I thought you were just making a point about "I use this thing and it works" is so 90's
mircea_popescu: the entire "i want government to just work by itself and let me to my affairs" has worked splendidly in the us, 70s to 2000s.
decimation: apparently jwz wants to live in the past
mircea_popescu: not the past, as this never existed, but a magical future where things work by themselves in the way ~you~ want them to.
mircea_popescu: the crowning nonsense of all nonsense, seriously. why is it not obvious that if you give up agency you also give up... agency ?
adlai: he seems to want free tech support
adlai: asciilifeform: are you familiar with dwimlisp?
decimation: apparently jwz's main business is running a club now
mircea_popescu: yeah he has a disco in la he's been fighting the gobmint forever over.
adlai: (for the curious/brave -
http://dwim.hu (requires javascript and much searching as it's impossible to link into this 'website'))
decimation: asciilifeform: he strikes me as a washed-up do-o-crat
adlai: he forked xemacs from gnu
mircea_popescu: the www soup is scarcely to be pinned on one man, and if one man were to be found it's likely not this one.
adlai: jws was an employee at netscape
adlai: he did piss off stallman
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:07:20; danielpbarron: asciilifeform's got a good point though, with such little amounts you aren't going to move the market -- might as well just pretend trade in a txt file
decimation: adlai: it's probably impossible to do something positive to emacs without pissing off stallman
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform slippage is not friction, slippage is your lab getting hit by earthquakes.
mircea_popescu: "how the fuck am i supposed to do any scioence in here!111"
adlai: i'm not sure the constructive uses of friction have any parallel either... beyond maybe as a cost of manipulation (when you don't control the tape)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will remember we're discussing markets here. the phenomenon of alleged "prices" in a situation where the government is the largest economic actor is laughable anyway.
decimation: moldbug has a post about why central banks spend most of their time trying to figure out how to not move the market
mircea_popescu: any system where taxes exceed maybe 6 or 7% is de facto a command economy,
thestringpuller: like seriously, high wealth sims are only happy at like 4%
danielpbarron: i could never get everyone happy even when i used to glitch to get "MAXINT" currency units
thestringpuller: this is how I imagined QE though, some d00d at Fed typing "FUNDS FUNDS FUNDS" over again on his computer.
decimation: asciilifeform: that's not even counting the fact that usd in your 'savings' account is continually thieved
decimation: I was just looking at the 'mid-cap value' fund from vanguard
decimation: asciilifeform: what are you gonna do? withdraw your retirement with penalty and move to mexico?
decimation: asciilifeform: surely you get paid a little extra
trinque: asciilifeform: even the fall of the soviet union didn't kill off all the former soviets
trinque: what do you think is going to kill us off?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: hey you're the one who can't spend benjies without setting off alarms.
thestringpuller: so tru story: buddy from high school was telling me about d00d who was a drug dealer but setup "consulting" llc for "professional coaching"
thestringpuller: d00d would just sell high end weed, and claim it as "consulting services" and would tax that
trinque: yeah, I'm referring to a former friend of mine
trinque: "on site computer repair" bullshit
thestringpuller: US just wants their cut (not like it helps since we are bankrupt)
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thestringpuller: the "evidence" is probably auctioned off under the table somewhere
thestringpuller: "The F.I.N.D. Unit has made forty-eight (48) traffic stops that resulted in the detection of bulk cash smugglers."
thestringpuller: "The total amount of United States Currency seized from the stops is: $13,647,160" << they just want new toys
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PeterL: mircea_popescu: Is F.DERP statement coming soon?
mircea_popescu: PeterL being prepared. there's definitely going to be one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 40% or 90% is purely a wordchoice matter, much like the zhim thing. 5%ish is where it matters.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller> and enron ruined pensions for everyone << if only. "My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to i
mircea_popescu: n his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on."
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mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform was just ip-banned by 'github' for 'too many requests from your addr' << lmao.
mircea_popescu: open source is safe because it's read by millions of eyes, which we ban.
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:12:30; asciilifeform: folks with a clue - comment, would the result have any useful connection with reality ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for all the major differences between them and us, it occurs to me there's a very painfully obvious stylistical point : b-a.com doesn't have traffic tracking, github.com doesn't let you search.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope. the notion of "optimal" is undefined.
adlai: b-a.com doesn't log?
adlai: (log itself, not the channel)
mircea_popescu: hm. it was discussed but i think long long ago, pre searchable stuff.
mircea_popescu: nope. you use in one phase symbols that don't exist of the other.
mircea_popescu: '(what bits would you send back in time to time T1), if you could, from time T2, (to maximize profit from investing C coin)'
mircea_popescu: yes, it does, provided you don't take it out of there.
mircea_popescu: the moment you start doin this sort of thing it no longer behaves thusly.
mircea_popescu: to put this to intuition : suppose in the alt-universe where your microscopic trade happened, another trader happened to see it and panic.
mircea_popescu: there are a number of hard rules of the world we inhabit, that children take some time to internalize. one is, of course, "move backwards through time" thing. what adolescent did not ponder this, wish it, etc.
mircea_popescu: another is the complexity problem. the simple fact that once the father has said "i know shit", if he opens his mouth enough to say as little as some basic math, he's now wrong.
adlai: When we differ, Charlie usually ends the conversation by saying: “Warren,
adlai: think it over and you’ll agree with me because you’re smart and I’m right.”
mircea_popescu: in any event, all human folly is based on the failure to come to terms and trying to go through the wall.
mircea_popescu: like, the complexity problem guarantees no government will ever succeed. yet who's deterred from "empirebuilding".
mircea_popescu: the time direction thing never stopped anyone from thinking "hey, i could have done better!" or be bitter about how things turned out etc.
mircea_popescu: now look at it from the fallacious "purpose" perspective.
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mircea_popescu: at its core, the "optimal retrospective investment" problem is a nude and rude proposition to replace the action imperative ("mouse must escape or die in the act of trying") with an imaginary junk. ("it could have been"). this is not substantially different from what the usg does when it invents a new name for the homeless and pretends to have "resolved the problem".
mircea_popescu: it "works" like all fatlogic works : because it's easier
mircea_popescu: what is the correct code gcc approximates as it churns on cygwin ?
mircea_popescu: for as long as the proof is wrong, yes, it provably exists.
mircea_popescu: the mere fact that you have such proof is sufficient proof that it is wrong.
mircea_popescu: far be it from me to diss fiction - the creation of "proofs" we know from the outset to be false and then their taking apart to examine where they stole our eyes is exactly shakespeare's trade.
mircea_popescu: only if they don't include it. once you've included it... you've made it general.
mircea_popescu: looky here : for as long as you don't aim to use the "shortest program" thing for the purpose of attacking my statement, it is ok.
mircea_popescu: once you do, you're fucked. "works on most machines" now.
mircea_popescu: very naggum-ish character actually. except iirc swedish
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:15:35; asciilifeform: you would have done better than 'perfect info' bot << impossible by definition
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:15:19; asciilifeform: understand, interested here in 'theoretical best' of what a smart person with almost no funding could achieve
mircea_popescu: making money is not a function of one's hard work and dilligence in the schoolhouse sense.
mircea_popescu: making money is a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make a profit. if not, not.
mircea_popescu: if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, there are some classes of optimization problems ~once you're already rich~.
mircea_popescu: but this is conservation. one does not acquire wealth except one single way
mircea_popescu: and that is, joining the wot early, and helping set the world on fire. it. strictly it.
mircea_popescu: the hoodlums trying to be drug lords in detroit have a lot more sense in this matter than the "business majors" coming out of harvard.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, us had a much better view of the soviets than the soviets, and vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: it's about not spending your time writing fiction under the pretense of "thinking". the mouse excels at this.
mircea_popescu: he doesn't understand the implementation details. but the situation, he understands just fine.
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mircea_popescu: it's basically a sort of windows nt, to replace windows 3.1. look, flashier plumage and mating dances!
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assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:36:47; jurov: i'm trying to make do under some constraints, which i explained several time here
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it bloodied its nose against the cage for 20 min. or so, then gave up << They tend to do that. Catch a good number with bad intentions towards the garden that way.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00041387 = 2.0073 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Granted it normally takes the better part of a salad to make the cage traps enticing to groundhogs
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