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verisimilitude: I leave determining who ``they'' are to the reader.
verisimilitude: I've yet to start reading that research paper.
thimbronion: Overheard 2 days ago in the dentists office from a patient in regards to their Bitcoin investment: "I got liquidated." Guy sounded mentally ill.
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
btcinfobot: Current BTC price in USD: $49673.17
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-02-23#1032298 << strongly depends what you think of as 'law'. i highly rec to read the linked piece.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-23 23:19:13 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-02-22#1032252 << do you say that law is entirely impossible?
asciilifeform: the kind of law that naive folx imagine exists (or supposedly once existed), that 'no one is above...' -- yes, impossible. ( laws of... physics, arithmetic -- no one is above. the rest -- simply a device for automating some of the work for the hegemons. rather like a firewall config.)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-02-23#1032296 << the control does not need to be by any means perfect. but even w/ 'imperfect', observe that attempts to 'hack' law -- in the sense of 'plebe brings down aristocrat using legal technicality' -- are attempted strictly by roomtemp iq nitwits and end in predictable and comical failure.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-23 23:17:49 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-02-22#1032247 << again here, the implicit idea that there's a "they" that is in perfect control.
asciilifeform: in this aspect, law is 'promise', specifically in contrast to 'protocol' in the old 'promisetronics vs protocol' dichotomy.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-17 18:43:44 asciilifeform: billymg: from my pov ~100% of what makes bitcoin interesting, is ~specifically~ the found key? keep car. aspect. where possession is not '9/10th of the law' but 10/10ths.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-24 09:17:59 thimbronion: Overheard 2 days ago in the dentists office from a patient in regards to their Bitcoin investment: "I got liquidated." Guy sounded mentally ill.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-05-05 19:56:14 asciilifeform: it worx because there's a neverending supply of a) dumb shits who see 'paper gold' as == to actual b) greedy shits who want 'leverage'
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 15 nodes...
watchglass: 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.025s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=671841
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=672016
watchglass: 108.31.170.100:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.090s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=672016 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.023s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=671977 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.158s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=672016
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.163s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=672016
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.204s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=672016
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.231s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=672016
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.253s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=672016
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.341s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=671396
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.673s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=672016
watchglass: 84.16.46.130:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
verisimilitude: I've started reading the paper, and I've also ordered my new keyboard.
verisimilitude: I get the impression implementing this paper will be similar to the SHA, but I'll see.
shinohai: top kek verisimilitude re: f-35 article.
asciilifeform: lol! expect anuther 1e12+$ budget for a f-over9000 sequel
trinque: easy solution: they can just ban seeing this one.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-02-24#1032315 << certainly, we agree. this requires no specific coordination between elites; any one of them can bludgeon a particular uppity nitwit andd they all benefit.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-24 13:38:00 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-02-23#1032296 << the control does not need to be by any means perfect. but even w/ 'imperfect', observe that attempts to 'hack' law -- in the sense of 'plebe brings down aristocrat using legal technicality' -- are attempted strictly by roomtemp iq nitwits and end in predictable and comical failure.
trinque: the comment was aimed more at verisimilitude who seems to think there's a "teh j00z!" or something.
trinque: that I don't know, has meetings, nifty handshakes, something.
trinque: there's nothing as tidily narrative as all that. it's a colossal pile of wealth within which there are all sorts of people, just "not you"
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-02-24#1032317 << here also we agree, and it points to that there can only be stable law among men that can keep promises. an honor culture.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-24 13:39:54 asciilifeform: in this aspect, law is 'promise', specifically in contrast to 'protocol' in the old 'promisetronics vs protocol' dichotomy.
asciilifeform: trinque: there's however factually e.g. davos, bohemian grove, whoknows whether these decoys for whatever 'genuine article' or not.
asciilifeform: in re 'they' with 'handshakes'
trinque: sure, no argument. I just don't assume they're that loyal to each other.
asciilifeform: only need very limited coordination when there's nowhere to defect to.
asciilifeform: also imho observably moar complicated mechanism than 'piles of wealth' -- observe that e.g. trump had all the paperola anyone could want; did him 0 good
trinque: ah I was saying complex too.
trinque: colossal wealth has all that's needed to grow it. look at the idiot american megacorps.
trinque: I imagine what's further up from there is self-similar.
asciilifeform likes to remind folx that moolah (denominated in any unit you like) is an ~effect~, not ~cause~, of power.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-17 18:29:20 asciilifeform: billymg: i disagree that it's a numeric problem, even necessarily. say, martians land, and leave you 25 tonnes of refined pu as a parting gift. you will 'pass into elite' ? or perhaps not ? what do you suppose would happen ?
asciilifeform today nearly fell down laffing when learned that local electric co, about to split into two for tax avoidance purposes, proclaimed the new companies to be called 'remainco' and 'spinco'
asciilifeform thought it was some joker filling default values into a spreadshit -- if so, it got cemented down and in fact went.
trinque: lol wut
asciilifeform: lol apparently this is sop. and they normally get renamed later. had nfi...
asciilifeform: 1st time personally saw this 'limba de lemn' in a civilian press release.
trinque: having interacted with branding dorks, they probably don't want them holding things up
trinque: if the naming ritual doesn't take a long time nobody believes they did anything but pull it out of their arses
asciilifeform: shamanics 101
verisimilitude: $ticker btc eth
btcinfobot: Current BTC price in ETH: $31.25
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