verisimilitude: I no longer believe I'll be finished by today, but instead the twenty-fourth, perhaps.
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
btcinfobot: Current BTC price in USD: $56032.43
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 15 nodes...
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=679798
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.095s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=679909
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.144s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=679909
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.154s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=679436 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Alive: (0.086s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=679902 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Alive: (0.160s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=679909
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Alive: (0.174s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=679909
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Alive: (0.234s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=679909
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : Alive: (0.331s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=679829
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
shinohai: Apologies for spam, donattion shilling was only supposed to go out to telegram users of bot.
shinohai: (Doesn't seem to work on irc anywayz)
asciilifeform: shinohai: what do those use it for ?
shinohai: asciilifeform: btc/shitcoin price checks, calcs, misc.
asciilifeform: shinohai: anything entertaining going on in heathendom ?
shinohai: atm most entertaining are the "mobile coin" lulz via Moxy Marlinspike (or whatever the idiot's name is).
asciilifeform: iirc is last month's snoar
shinohai: Conbase IPO was pretty funny, most of the upper echelon dumped their shares within week.
asciilifeform: shinohai: believe or not, you're 100% of my sources re shitcoinism. i never followed it in realtime and don't intend to begin
asciilifeform: (imho not missing much)
shinohai: Nah it isn't missing much *at all*. Useful mechanism to ply some Bitcoin proper from the cattle, otherwise mostly boredom and/or headaches.
thimbronion: Doge has been rather lulzy
thimbronion: It is apparently merge mined on ltc, but has or is about to flippen ltc's "market cap"
asciilifeform: thimbronion: i had honestly nfi that either ltc or doge still in biz
thimbronion: it's wild
asciilifeform: (arguably a shitcoin never fully dies. still)
thimbronion: People really do just live in the moment
asciilifeform: thimbronion: is rather why asciilifeform found the entire cultural space repulsive in 2012 and to large extent still does.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: this meme comes to mind: https://line.17qq.com/articles/qhqnkfgsy.html
shinohai: I had forgotten, re: shitcoin lulz that I went to skim Pete Dushenski's blog, and see he is full defending his "Ethereum investments" and NFT's now.
asciilifeform: shinohai: lol!! link?
shinohai: I mean, I'll take ETH if someone is giving away, but not gonna write blog posts on it rather ship it to exchange posthaste.
verisimilitude: I'm aware of some artists making money from NFTs, but they seem like the only people who will benefit from it, and not the buyers.
shinohai will note if there are any NFT aficionados present, I will gladly sell you some .gif certificates!
asciilifeform: shinohai: wat's nft?
asciilifeform: (... do i even want to know..?)
shinohai: Basically it is phenomenon where idiots pat millions in ETH to buy a jpeg imag, or the hash thereof
asciilifeform: shinohai: i.e. mp's 'bits for tits'(tm)(r)(c) ?
shinohai: Pretty close I'd say, since anyone can copy pic of said tits and add it to the pr0n folder.
verisimilitude: They're ``Non-Fungible Tokens'', asciilifeform.
shinohai: With NFT, you just pay extra for the ass rape.
asciilifeform: aa so closer to ye olde 2011-era 'coloured coins'
asciilifeform: (spoiler: summed to 0)
verisimilitude: It's sheer dumbassery. I wouldn't be surprised to learn they were created to exploit those who have cryptocurrency, but don't understand it.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: whole history of cryptocoinism consists of 1) the original bitcoin client, which ~works 2) variously-sabotaged variants of (1) , sponsored by the enemy 3) 'altcoins', consisting without exception of 'premine scam', where orig. author hopes to get-rich-quick on the backs of army of useful idiots
asciilifeform: occasionally appear items with some perverse combo of (2)+(3).
asciilifeform: see also .
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-28 13:18:40 asciilifeform: adlai: i recall a long parade of various crackpot schemes , this & others. all had 1 thing in common -- peddled by, and discussed largely exclusively by, the enrichment-scheme (invariably premine scamola, or even straight boobytrap) shitcoin enthusiast culture.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-28 13:08:51 asciilifeform: and in general all 'oddball algo by anon' are guilty until proven innocent of being elaborate smoke&mirror schemes for inflatola, premine, or even straight magic-key theft
asciilifeform observes that basic pattern not, sadly, changed, since 2014 and earlier.
snsabot: (trilema) 2014-07-23 asciilifeform: if any of them took the trouble to write something interesting (e.g. system analogous to the original btc but of proper, rather than 'power ranger' quality) and resisted the temptation of premine shenanigans, etc. - but no.
gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: an NFT is a token which bears a distinct ID number. moreover, it may be associated with a distinct URL.
gregorynyssa: what people call "NFT artwork" is simply an NFT whose URL leads to a .png file.
shinohai: gregorynyssa: I kinda think the "distinct url" thing to be ridiculous, what happens when bitrot?
shinohai: (In b4 the IPFS derps chime in)
gregorynyssa: shinohai: I was just about to say, many people are using IPFS paths as their URLs, to avoid the problem of the URLs breaking someday.
gregorynyssa: nothing within the NFT standard-document (called ERC 721) guarantees that the .png associated with the NFT will remain constant.
gregorynyssa: it is entirely possible that you buy an NFT of the Mona Lisa, and its associated .png is replaced with Rick Astley.
shinohai stuffs an image across several OP_RETURNS, makes LukeJr cry and avoid url breakage .....
gregorynyssa: btw. I found it fascinating how LukeJr, one of the most prominent figures in Bitcoin, is a Sedevacantist.
gregorynyssa: when I was living in the DC area, I sat in on a Sedevacantist service in Mayland on a few occasions.
gregorynyssa: * Maryland
gregorynyssa: there seems to be a phenomenon throughout history of people from rare religious sects attaining disproportionate achievements.
shinohai: I haven't engaged with Luke Jr since trilema days, when he promptly told me I was going to burn in hell for the bits-for-tits scheme since it encouraged lust and masturbation.
gregorynyssa: shinohai: Jimmy Wales apparently sold pictures/videos of women as well before founding Wikipedia.
gregorynyssa: this brings up an interesting question. what happens if the .png associated with an NFT is suddenly swapped with some illegal image?
gregorynyssa: would the owner of that NFT be obliged to surrender the ownership to the police?
shinohai: Double the ass rape?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-20#1034241 << i gotta dispute the 'prominent figures in bitcoin'
snsabot: Logged on 2021-04-20 16:32:29 gregorynyssa: btw. I found it fascinating how LukeJr, one of the most prominent figures in Bitcoin, is a Sedevacantist.
asciilifeform: fella was the exact equiv. of a schizo hobo shouting nonsense. on top of this, shilled for bfl and other outright scams.
asciilifeform: also managed to single-handedly sabotage the gentoo ebuild for bitcoin client as early as '11, iirc
asciilifeform: even e.g. karpeles arguably more 'interesting figure in bitcoin' in comparison.
asciilifeform: ftr the 'jpeg coin' thing isn't any less (or more) idiotic than other get-rich-scheme-coins. i.e. all alts to date.
asciilifeform: chrematists are singularly uninteresting. they, as a matter of course, sacrifice their brains (such as they start with) to moloch.
asciilifeform: so end result in 100% of cases looks , as one'd expect, quite similar.
asciilifeform: such as can be expected from an effectively empty crankcase.
asciilifeform: shinohai: and since we're on subj, i'm not the least bit surprised that pete d. is huffing ether.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-04-20 12:58:45 shinohai: I had forgotten, re: shitcoin lulz that I went to skim Pete Dushenski's blog, and see he is full defending his "Ethereum investments" and NFT's now.
asciilifeform: only surprised that it took him as long as it did to start.
asciilifeform: bitcoin is an old car under 40 kilometres of birdshit. lukejr, pete_dushenski, et al are the birds.
verisimilitude: I recall one fellow here sending me a private message about avoiding Hell and whatnot.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: lemme guess, dpb?
verisimilitude: I don't recall, and didn't log.
asciilifeform: (afaik dpb doesn't spam. but if he were to..)
verisimilitude: I told him I didn't fear Hell and that was the end of it.