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verisimilitude: I came across some poetry today.
verisimilitude: PĒDĪCĀBŌ EGO VŌS ET IRRVMĀBŌ
verisimilitude: ``I will fuck you in the ass and mouth.''
verisimilitude: Literally: ``I will sodomize, I you, and I will receive fellatio.''
shinohai: Buenos dias phf
shinohai: $vwap
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phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-23#1098485 << heard many variations of that also, "dead will not be there to defend themselves"
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-23 17:36:18 adlai: does recall, fwiw, mini-sermon in Latin class about "do not speak ill of the dead, because only you are present to defend them"
phf: shinohai: vm got rebooted for maintenace
phf: got drunk on a friend's farm last night, was the first good night for a bonfire out here
shinohai: nice!
phf: христос воскресе
shinohai: Oh hey forgot it was Orthodox Easter.
phf: don't leave me hanging tho, you're supposed to say "воистину воскресе"
shinohai: воистину воскресе! >.>
shinohai: I'll try not to be the perv I'm known for and not tell you what is truly risen.
phf: shinohai: that joke probably existed since about the time of the apostles
shinohai: The apostles sound pretty based then.
phf: definitely more so than modern sorry lot
shinohai: No arguments here. I might have been believer in a different time.
phf: living out in the deplorables land i've had a chance to spend some time with various congregations ("come to our church!" is about equivalent to "let's grab a beer"), and i see now why there's dawkins army, why there's a whole generation of millenials etc. who rejected the faith
shinohai: I live in the US "Bible belt" and everything about Protestantism disgusts me.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-07 16:08:11 dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-01 13:19:47 signpost: this is the truly heretical thing about american protestantism, that it grants peasants the sovereign voice so they can masturbate with it.
phf: one church we were invited to had a morbidly obese woman pastor, while half the men who lived in faith spent their time on missionary work in exotic brown countries. "so you serve christ by going to jamaica for couple of weeks at a time, and your trip is funded by the congregation? hmmmm!"
shinohai: Can't let the mormons have all the fun.
phf: honestly would be badass if raping and pillaging was involved, but reality is probably banal: get drunk at a local bar, get plenty of attention from local girls, not know what to do with it anyway, but still smh feel empowered, go back to washing african feet by day
phf: the advantage of having many competing frameworks in head: can play them against each other to empower own impotence and inaction
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098617 << this is hilarious and entirely not what asciilifeform (who apparently moar culturally outta date than previously thought) expected !
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 10:46:36 phf: one church we were invited to had a morbidly obese woman pastor, while half the men who lived in faith spent their time on missionary work in exotic brown countries. "so you serve christ by going to jamaica for couple of weeks at a time, and your trip is funded by the congregation? hmmmm!"
asciilifeform pictured dour, clean-shaven 'fire & brimstone preachers'
asciilifeform lives where over9000 'spanish' ex-catholics. various evangelical vans take'em somewhere erry sunday, but not been there
shinohai: Around here it seems you get churches built in old warehouses, gone are the clean-shaven 'fire & brimstone preachers' and instead blue-hair that preaches by tithing God will pay off your mortgage and buy you new BMW.
phf: asciilifeform: i have some idea that maybe 80s televangelist movement was the final nail in the coffin, because the whole thing is very much competing churches trying to outdo each other in support of various degeneracies
phf: someone else we know had a brief period between pastors at their church, and was telling me how one of the interim pastors "laid it on them" "you know, because he's not going to be permanent here, he could just speak the truth" why would he not speak the truth normally? because otherwise the congregation will go to church next door
shinohai: "I've had enough of this! Karen, find us a church that preaches comforting lies."
gregory2: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098614 << American-style Protestantism is an aberration even by wider Protestant standards.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 10:43:17 shinohai: I live in the US "Bible belt" and everything about Protestantism disgusts me.
gregory2: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098624 << apparently a quarter of Latin America now follows American-style Protestantism, spread by American missionaries.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 11:02:25 asciilifeform: lives where over9000 'spanish' ex-catholics. various evangelical vans take'em somewhere erry sunday, but not been there
gregory2: asciilifeform: are we expecting version 0xfa of Pest soon?
asciilifeform: wb gregory2 !
asciilifeform: gregory2: there's a 0xfa draft but still needs much massage.
asciilifeform: gregory2: still gotta figure out what to do re this notion (on 1 hand, is arguably Right Thing; otoh, would be a severe breaking change, and arguably adds heavy moving part)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-26 18:48:29 asciilifeform: thimbronion: current notion, summarized: we bite off 64byte from payload, and get 2 new fields, call'em 'unlock' and 'lock'. lock == h256(errything else in msg, incl. 'unlock', and unrevealed 32byte turd 'S'.); unlock = 'S' from yer previous msg.
asciilifeform: on 'third hand', the existing, in draft, 'fork' mechanism is poorly defined, arguably even braindamaged, and afaik nobody even implemented yet.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-21 20:44:32 asciilifeform: if a hero arises who comes up with an algo for forcing handles on a multi-level pestnet to actually stay unique -- let's all take off hats & use it
asciilifeform: this afaik is the 1 serious open problem in pestronics (errything else is relatively straightforward afaik)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098630 << what's eureich-protestantism like these days ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 11:45:09 gregory2: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098614 << American-style Protestantism is an aberration even by wider Protestant standards.
gregory2: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098639 << that was why I expected 0xfa to come out soon.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 12:23:38 asciilifeform: on 'third hand', the existing, in draft, 'fork' mechanism is poorly defined, arguably even braindamaged, and afaik nobody even implemented yet.
gregory2: in the meantime I was taking care of some personal matters.
asciilifeform: gregory2: do you have a working station on the current pestnet ?
gregory2: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098640 << I will spend some time thinking about this.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 12:24:35 asciilifeform: summary of problem to be solved ftr.
asciilifeform: gregory2: at some pt the conversation will move there. so highly rec to get a working station going.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-22 14:23:50 asciilifeform: even if 0 upstream headaches, is gonna have to clean the fans or sumsuch in it eventually. was at one pt gonna set up an offsite spare, but imho at this pt will say 'pestnet is the spare!'
gregory2: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098648 << I have a basic Java implementation but haven't yet connected to your network.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 12:35:52 asciilifeform: gregory2: do you have a working station on the current pestnet ?
asciilifeform: gregory2: make even in cobol if you prefer, lol
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 12:37:11 asciilifeform: gregory2: at some pt the conversation will move there. so highly rec to get a working station going.
gregory2: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098655 << a lot of the problems of Java come from coding techniques and framework-design, not the language itself.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 12:38:05 asciilifeform: gregory2: make even in cobol if you prefer, lol
gregory2: I think under disciplined procedural coding, Java is more pleasant than Python.
gregory2: Pest is like a small slice of Urbit's vision done correctly.
asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's pov, the part where the runtime weighs moar than his entire os, lol, is problem. but not aiming to dissuade gregory2, simply will point out that he does not keep java around, and won't be testing a javaistic pestron or other proggy personally
gregory2: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098643 << it is not doing very well, but I meant Protestantism in view of history.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 12:26:27 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098630 << what's eureich-protestantism like these days ?
asciilifeform: gregory2: dunno what you think it has to do with the urbit 'vision' and its centralized hell
gregory2: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098665 << one of Urbit's main features is an IRC-like system. also, Urbit tried to solve the problem of secure routing.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 12:42:44 asciilifeform: gregory2: dunno what you think it has to do with the urbit 'vision' and its centralized hell
asciilifeform: ( observe that it has long ago merged w/ the ether shitcoin incidentally )
dulapbot: (trilema) 2019-01-14 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in darkest lulzafrica, 'Today we’re happy to announce that Urbit’s address space, now called Azimuth, is live on the Ethereum blockchain... We want Urbit to be a reliable, durable, permanent computer that’s simple to use. Today Urbit is still a prototype, not a consumer product. But we’re making great progress'
asciilifeform: gregory2: 'solved' by imposing yet-another centralized structure, quite like the reich.dns nonsense
asciilifeform: gregory2: the urbit people from the very start had very deliberate hierarchical wank, sold 'fiefdoms', naturally progressed into a shitcoin
gregory2: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098671 << that is a logical narrative if you regard Feudalism as part of the problem rather than the solution.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 12:46:24 asciilifeform: gregory2: the urbit people from the very start had very deliberate hierarchical wank, sold 'fiefdoms', naturally progressed into a shitcoin
asciilifeform: gregory2: see e.g. thread. asciilifeform followed author for many yrs, in fact was given 'share' of the thing as a prize in his mathematical contest, quite familiar with the 'let's make a feudalism' project
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-06-02 asciilifeform: i bring it up because it was another d00d who advocated 1 set of principles : and implemented a very other in code
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-06-02 asciilifeform: my least nonsensical hypothesis is that thiel funded urbit (yes) to make a half-hearted play at 'embrace&extinguish'ing bitcoin
gregory2: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-06-02#1665004 << I think this was an inevitable consequence of Silicon Valley funding.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-06-02 asciilifeform: ( mr. mold advocated for 'patchwork states', which were -- best as anyone could tell -- a miraculous resurrection of 16th c. italian provinces, somehow balanced in mutual non-nukeability . but in 'urbit' he implemented a reich, with central control and total dependence on the 'palace' )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 12:51:25 asciilifeform: in particular.
asciilifeform: gregory2: 'neofeudalisms' designed right off the bat to cement existing power structures imho fundamentally uninteresting. (unless yer a thiel or whatever oligarch. in which case uninteresting for a ~different~ reason, that being the fact that 'software doesn't work', from state of the art being liquishit, and 'code is law' pretense collapses at the drop of a
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-10-20 asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies. Because all
asciilifeform: hat in every case to date)
gregory2: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2014-10-20#885689 << I need to read through all of Dr Greenspun's postings sometime.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-10-20 asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies. Because all
asciilifeform: in particular, mr.mold's cosmography, where somehow reich is run by bureaucrats, and the thiels etc. are somehow rebelling and worthy of support, 'steve jobs zombie for fuhrer!', is imho laughably mendacious.
asciilifeform: d00d knows full well who actually runs the reich.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 12:54:30 asciilifeform: gregory2: 'neofeudalisms' designed right off the bat to cement existing power structures imho fundamentally uninteresting. (unless yer a thiel or whatever oligarch. in which case uninteresting for a ~different~ reason, that being the fact that 'software doesn't work', from state of the art being liquishit, and 'code is law' pretense collapses at the drop of a
gregory2: "I am disappointed by those who are characterizing the use of this intentional feature as "theft". I am making use of this explicitly coded feature as per the smart contract terms..."
asciilifeform: pretty sure errybody tuned in had read it
asciilifeform: ( and the pastebin anon piece mp cribbed most of it from )
gregory2: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098692 << it is probably my favorite essay upon that blog.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 13:02:56 asciilifeform: pretty sure errybody tuned in had read it
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 13:03:14 asciilifeform: ( and the pastebin anon piece mp cribbed most of it from )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-02-04 13:56:31 adlai: in case anyone here is foggy on the details: the text of the trilema post about the DAO hack appeared shortly ~after~ the same text appeared on pastebin.com
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 13:02:09 asciilifeform: in particular, mr.mold's cosmography, where somehow reich is run by bureaucrats, and the thiels etc. are somehow rebelling and worthy of support, 'steve jobs zombie for fuhrer!', is imho laughably mendacious.
asciilifeform: so, gregory2 , where's the appealing bit then? rather obv. imho that mold et al were, right off the bat, serving existing powers under paper-thin mask of 'tech-sexy rebellious alternative'
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-05-24 13:00:39 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-23#1037440 << reminds me of the czech tale where the princess asks about a suitor : 'is he young?' 'nope, he's old' 'is he at least kind?' 'no, he's the meanest old man alive' 'old and mean! ain't he the ideal groom!'
gregory2: I did not say that Urbit was appealing, but that Pest might deliver on some of the original expectations of Urbit's following.
asciilifeform: how does 'wanna be a 1st class citizen of the net? 4btc to thiel plox' beat '4btc to iana' ?
asciilifeform: (and in either case 'play ball, or, so sorry, yer cancelled'
asciilifeform: gregory2: observe that pestronics neither promise nor deliver on what asciilifeform suspects was primary appeal of urbitism, 'hey, wanna be a little fuhrer? a gauleiter in our reich? have some serfs under yer boot?' which is 1 reason why you won't be reading about pest on yc, nyt, shitcoin-magazine.
asciilifeform: observe how 'neofeudalists' don't picture selves in role of serf. but rather 'dukes', 'earls', etc
asciilifeform: somebody else, some unspecified rubes, to be the serfs, in all cases.
asciilifeform: ( or sometimes one is offered the nonsensical escherian-architecture of 'feudalism without serfs', even moar lulzily )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-19 13:24:32 asciilifeform: phf: from asciilifeform's pov, the notion of 'lord' without subordinates and resource base is fundamentally thin wordplay
asciilifeform interested in erosion and, to extent possible, perma-demolition of the power structures. rather than supporting.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-19 11:19:42 asciilifeform: signpost: re 'why pest' -- asciilifeform is a btc aficionado of the (nearly extinct, possib.) old school -- would like to live in world where can get paid in uninflating, untaxable coinz, and buy necessities of live in same. doubt that anyone living nao will live to see such thing, but asciilifeform specifically interested in work which could make it at least conceivable.
asciilifeform: ... starting at the obviously accessible, inviting and lubed-up weak point in their armour -- the centralized, curated mockery the lizards have made outta the original internet.
phf: asciilifeform: i got pinged so i don't know the backlog, but that's a drive by snipe at an unresolved point, that ought to be engaged directly, rather than as part of some unrelated strawman
asciilifeform: phf: pinged unintentionally. asciilifeform describing to gregory2 why thinks very little of the 'feudalists'(tm)
phf: fight me, bro
asciilifeform gotta afk in ~10min, to world of trucks, cement, other 'unsexies'
phf: likewise, the weather is too nice, i came to office looking for a pinion seal..
asciilifeform: phf: pinion of f150 ?
verisimilitude: I want to have an HTML form which only sends the value of a name=value pair, but it seems I won't be able to have such.
crtdaydreams: signpost: wondering if way to hook RSS up to bot?
verisimilitude: Asking for it is the way, actually.
crtdaydreams: verisimilitude: funny that. Who'd have thought?
crtdaydreams: signpost: could I please have 0xcdd hooked up to the bot's rss feed. Thanks!
signpost: scoopbot belongs to PeterL, and it appears to be gone
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-14 12:28:06 PeterL: I'm thinking I am going to stop scoopbot here and just have it reporting in #pest
verisimilitude: It's still active here.
verisimilitude: It was within the past two weeks, anyway.
crtdaydreams: ^ hm. mebbe only unplugged fairly recently.
crtdaydreams: It's not a problem anyway. I'm doubtful at this stage anything on there is worth being put on RSS. I have a ways to go extending how I craft my writings.
crtdaydreams: Though, PeterL if you'd like to by all means I have no objections.
crtdaydreams: atm not quite capturing the essence I'm looking for, but I don't want to hang on to perfectionism in this early stage as it's likely to end up in /dev/null
crtdaydreams would like to be on pest before added to scoopbot if at all possible
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