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phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-19#1107606 << was just idle curiosity, i wasn't following the conversation too closely, so didn't realize it was a bug. i thought it's something i need to be aware in implementation
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-19 17:03:09 thimbronion: phf if you can figure out how to reliable reproduce I would be much obliged
asciilifeform: billymg: in what format is your db dump ? zcat log_db.gz | psql ... aint eatin' it: gzip: log_db.gz: not in gzip format
billymg: asciilifeform: it's produced by this command: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=7O9J
phf: kek
phf: billymg: you might want to add a |gzip there in the pipe so it's actually a gz file
asciilifeform: phf: bug; [x|y|z..] normally marks receipt of multiple copies of hearsay msg when >1 peer sends. which obv. aint aboutta happen on a station with 1 peer (not to mention oughta mark distinct senders)
billymg: phf: i thought that's what the -Fc flag did
billymg: format: compressed
phf: billymg: disregard. i've forever been corrupted by plan9, don't believe in flags
billymg: `pg_restore -U nsabot -d nsalog < log_db.gz` works for me to import
asciilifeform: pg_dump --username yeruser yerdb | gzip > log_db.gz
asciilifeform: ^ what is used on asciilifeform's box
billymg: asciilifeform: should've included in the readme if it was supposed to match 1:1
asciilifeform: hm indeed omitted in readme lol
phf: billymg: apparently -Fc is not really compress, it's "custom" which also compresses. so it's probalby not a gz
asciilifeform: it defo aint a gz
asciilifeform: nor is the format an editable text ( was gonna grab the req'd lines )
billymg: asciilifeform: if you just want the lines for pest to import with eat_dump.py you can grab them from my ilog
billymg: i have a script for that, one sec...
asciilifeform had a similar, lol, but can't seem to locate a working copy; been too long since last did this...
billymg: script for ripping ilogs: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=hYsI
billymg: for bitdash.io run with e.g. : ./download_raw_logs.sh 1006546 1006561 http://logs.bitdash.io/log-raw/pest ml.txt
billymg: change s / e indexes to what you want
asciilifeform: ty billymg
asciilifeform: billymg: does your default index start at 1000000 like asciilifeform's ?
billymg: yes
billymg: it should
billymg: i'll update the format on the log dump too, apparently gzip compression has some gains over whatever pg_dump uses
bitbot: (pest) 2021-11-08 shinohai: That worked, ran /unpeer then /peer followed by /at with ip and now no double entry
billymg for some reason thought that pg_dump flag actually produced gzip format output
asciilifeform: billymg: ok; ate billymg's log, plugged in dulapbot once more. lessee how worx
asciilifeform still not saw reply on own station from the helloworld, oddly
dulapbot: (pest) 2022-06-20 asciilifeform: helloworld
asciilifeform: meanwhile in #p.
dulapbot: (pest) 2022-06-20 asciilifeform: had a thought recently, that just about all of the gnarly embargo buffer logic in pest protocol is only req'd because irc frontend is a 'teletype', i.e. immutable
asciilifeform: ^ 'heretical' but ultimately rather obv. observation imho
asciilifeform: ... and observe that longbuffer is already not treated 'like teletype', i.e. it can be retrofilled by getdata
asciilifeform long suspected that the protocol can be simplified substantially, and this is a primo place for where
billymg: i'm going to rent a server as a stopgap until another dulap becomes available in asciilifeform's rack. i'm going to move the crawler (currently on ec2) and the logger (currently on an rk) to this box. additionally i'll spin up a trb node on it, wainot
billymg: centos 7 or debian 8? (the other options are newer versions of the former or ubuntu flavors)
verisimilitude: Yes, it's obviously so, asciilifeform.
verisimilitude: I'd consider renting a server from asciilifeform, but it hardly makes good sense to have our DDoS-resistant and distributed chat protocol use the same few machines.
asciilifeform encourages, naturally, folx to subscribe to asciilifeform's rack, but ~not~ to ~only~ asciilifeform's rack
billymg nods
billymg: my cr box will be used for pest
billymg: asciilifeform rack box for various www services
billymg: and until that one is ready, a shitbox running centos 7 or debian 8
billymg: if both of those suck, i'll choose debian because i like the name more
billymg: i imagine both will have python 2.7, which is my only hard requirement (even the ec2 "amazon linux" box shipped with that as the default iirc)
asciilifeform: billymg: may be worth, if not feeling like hairshirting w/ gentoos, to try 'artix' ( a non-poetteringized 'arch' asciilifeform had used successfully in commercial works )
asciilifeform: ( an otherwise unremarkable binaristic linux )
billymg: asciilifeform: this is really just to get something up asap, so i'm limited to OS options that are not their "client sends ISO" option
asciilifeform: ( suffers from some ughs but afaik none pertinent to a headless use )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-05-17 09:30:33 asciilifeform: 'artix' indeed is systemd-free. but many of the packages (e.g. 'cups') do not work; and device hotplugging is mysteriously broken (mass storage -- worx; usb-to-serial -- not; and this despite a known-good kernel. it's whatever the thing has instead of udev that's a dud)
billymg: i searched the logs re debian/centos, seems people prefer centos 6 (pre systemd apparently)
billymg: but not one of the choices
asciilifeform: billymg: iirc suffered from python 2.6 tho
billymg: centos 7?
billymg: looks like debian 8 ("jessie") includes python 2.7 and 3.4, so should work
asciilifeform solidly in favour of depythonization, but realizes that it's a long way off
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 22:09:05 asciilifeform: sh, perlism, pythonism, 'must die'(tm) imho.
verisimilitude: The only reasonable way to kill sh is to stop using UNIX.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: reminiscent of legendary reply of brit war ministry to churchill's 'how do we get rid of german uboats?' -- 'most immediately -- if could boil the ocean'
verisimilitude: It's easier to stop using UNIX.
asciilifeform: marginally
asciilifeform: ( can, e.g., throw out the comp entirely, but presumably wasn't what verisimilitude meant )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-17 17:10:23 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: if you see yerself as involved in pure mathematics, rather than aiming to actually solve sumthing in physical reality w/ a comp on sumthing resembling human timescale -- the machine is arguably a distraction, and you oughta be working w/ pen & paper
asciilifeform: observe that there aint in fact any alternatives, if keeping the comp (e.g. microshit victims who attempt any serious works are still quite certainly 'using unix', arguably without most of the 'good parts' at that)
asciilifeform: atm errybody stuck with a unix (or crippled imitation), even the lolcats-on-pnoje folx.
asciilifeform recalls as recently as ~decade ago seeing e.g. macos9 ref hdrs in www log; but these have long ago vanished
verisimilitude: No, that's one way.
asciilifeform: for verisimilitude's purposes, asciilifeform suspects, phf's plan9 is 'a unix'
verisimilitude: It's the same vile shit, make no mistake.
verisimilitude: ``Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder. Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.''
verisimilitude: Erik Naggum wrote that, and it also applies to Plan 9.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: asciilifeform strongly convinced that anyffin one could write for x86 (and similar 'c-machine' iron) will end up effectively 'a unix', like in the old su joak where 'i take home parts from sewing machine factory erryday, but evrything i assemble always ends up being a maxim mg'
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-04-03 asciilifeform: trinque: the flaw is that you gotta support a megatonne of liquishit for even nic to work -- dma, page tables, etc
amberglint: Hello everyone
asciilifeform: wb amberglint !
amberglint: Someone dumped the spec for the unreleased Ivory successor
asciilifeform: amberglint: nope, not prev. seen
asciilifeform: amberglint: don't suppose the dumper also dumped a runnable os for it ?
amberglint: Doesn't look like there's anything else, I suspect it's what Scott McKay found earlier
asciilifeform: still potentially interesting from archaeological pov
asciilifeform wonders whether phf seen it
amberglint: Gary Palter also mentioned something called the P-Machine, apparently Symbolics' unreleased multiprocessor hardware
amberglint: No docs yet
verisimilitude: I'm not convinced, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: amberglint: iirc that one was obliquely hinted at in certain press releases, and there was a bit of hype re a planned use on a satellite
verisimilitude: Consider ITS.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i rec to see whether still unconvinced once you've tried revving up nic/disk/vga on x86/64 from bare iron and seen what's involved and how in particular brittle
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: its was 'a unix' in so far as asciilifeform concerned.
verisimilitude: No, I'd rather not.
asciilifeform unsurprised
verisimilitude: I should read more on the ice 40.
amberglint: Looks like the Sunstone is a register rather than a stack machine
amberglint: 32 general purpose window registers
amberglint: Kinda like the SPARC I suppose
amberglint: 58 defined instructions
amberglint: No microcode
asciilifeform always found interesting that the commercial lispm's were extremely 'conventional' internally, rather than e.g. 'scheme83'-style apparatus with iron gc , cons-only memory, etc
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-01-07 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598294 << scheme83 is like a "canticle for leibowitz" artifact. "published design" is overstatement of the century. scraps of published memos and reports spread over out of print conference proceedings, the bulk of actual technology needed to recreate probably somewhere on a TAPE. i don't know where you got that mask generator runs on scheme83. the entire production stack was for mit cadr
asciilifeform: not all that surprising , tho, iron makers have always been the cautious type, on acct of nre cost
asciilifeform: ... nor were various paradigm shifts that theoretically 'easy' today available on '80s fab
asciilifeform: ( e.g. 'orthogonal persistence' would've had to mean magnetic core mem , given speed of period disk, etc )
asciilifeform: e.g. symbolics famously 'pushed the envelope' on iron in all kindsa ways (take simply the fact of their buying own glass factory to make the high-res crt, which was avail. nowhere off-shelf) but can only push 'so' far
amberglint: It took 10 to 12 man-years to design the Ivory while the MicroVAX took 70 to 80 man-years around the same time
asciilifeform: amberglint: well, considering that they were designing it on the 3600, and with fully lispized 'ns' etc cad orchestra -- unsurprise
asciilifeform wouldn't be astonished if learned that microvax , or parts thereof, were still drawn with ink, on whatman paper
amberglint: Have you tried to do anything with the cracked NS?
amberglint: It's a shame the docs for it are missing
asciilifeform: amberglint: nope. part of why was that not found any examples whatsoever to work with, nor docs
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-20#1107706 << you're such an insuffarable cunt, i'm prepared to defend php just to not be in the same camp with you. shit basic on altair is a superior system to the idea system that only exists in verisimilitude's head. did you know that in my system there are no flaws? did you also know that i've solved all practical problems by never doing anything practical? fuck. you.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-20 16:31:51 verisimilitude: Erik Naggum wrote that, and it also applies to Plan 9.
asciilifeform expected almost exactly ^ eventually
verisimilitude: Calm down.
asciilifeform: phf: imho verisimilitude runs a very serious risk of ending up as an 'why won't they read my elementary proof of fermat's' fella
verisimilitude: I'll try to avoid a fate of useless mediocrity.
asciilifeform ~decade ago and formerly used to often get 'fan mail' of similar angle to phf's to verisimilitude -- 'stfu about notional systems that only in yer head!' ; naodays not gets these anymoar, but sometimes 'why aintcha writing about lispms! write about lispms!' now, lol
verisimilitude: I'll try to a more sufferable cunt eventually, phf.
asciilifeform: 'what's with this boring bitcoin shite, and arithmetics in ada, where's the lispm' etc
asciilifeform: hard to please erryone.
asciilifeform when answers ' the lispm could be in this 'ice40' if it were 300x larger' -- not usually satisfies interlocutor
asciilifeform wouldn't be satisfied either, if it were sumbody else answering, lol
verisimilitude: All of the large enough FPGAs are locked down, right?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: not merely 'locked down' but ungranular
amberglint: Isn't the ECP5 is a magnitude larger and mostly reverse-engineered except for the SerDes part?
asciilifeform: amberglint: ~10x larger
asciilifeform: (i.e. still unlikely to fit a i386, much less a lispm of any description )
asciilifeform: tops out at 85k LUTs.
verisimilitude: How hard would it be to chain several together with message-passing?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: massive bottleneck (in both time & space)
amberglint: Google fabs opensource 130nm chips for free apparently: https://efabless.com/open_shuttle_program
verisimilitude: Yes, with mystery meat added.
asciilifeform: 'Projects must use a common test harness and padframe based on the Caravel repo. New projects should start by duplicating or forking the Caravel User Project repo and implementing their project using the user_project_wrapper. The Caravel repo is configured as a submodule in the project under the ‘caravel’ directory.'
amberglint: The Caravel is a problem, yeah
asciilifeform: seems like it's a 'build on our riscv' thing, rather than 'charity fab for ab initio'
verisimilitude: By the by, hello amberglint, I don't believe we've met before now.
amberglint: I was dropping by occasionally for many years
asciilifeform: ( and see also re fabs )
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-08-20 19:28:15 asciilifeform: actually went an' investigated a number of firms that offer 'small-run' ic fab in various processes. they all have these in common.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-01-20 20:54:06 asciilifeform: there is a 2017 thread where i contacted various small-run fab houses, unfortunately dun have the link handy (and the #s are likely to be out of date nao)
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-01-20 21:32:07 asciilifeform: later threads w/ some detail re subj : 1 2 3
asciilifeform one time coupla yr ago had a brief exchange with a cn group which initially resembled 'nigerian prince' in flavour but turned out to exist as-described; wanted asciilifeform to design a lispm to be fabbed in pekin; but after some back'n'forth turned out that they wanted asciilifeform to also ~finance~ part of it, lol
asciilifeform: ... was the end of the conv.
asciilifeform: 'talk to rockefeller, not me'
asciilifeform never thought it'd be difficult to make clear that one aint rockefeller...
verisimilitude: Well, was the conversation written professionally, or as in this channel?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: chinese-professionally lol
asciilifeform: not went far.
asciilifeform: for asciilifeform to take any such interlocutor seriously, the dough would have to flow in very opposite direction to what described above.
asciilifeform aint aboutta do some cn fella's phd thesis for him for phree
verisimilitude: Now that I mull over it, I can't even get this kind of e-mail.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: didja need'em for sumthing, lol
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: when you bake sumthing in physical world, you'll prolly start getting'em , for all the good it does
asciilifeform walking around 'sunstone' doc, wonders 'why the stack pointers etc. exposed to the os/programmer?' -- but equally legit q re 'ivory' & friends
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-20 16:37:30 amberglint: asciilifeform: Have you seen this? http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/symbolics/Sunstone_Architecture_198711.pdf
asciilifeform: ( p. 112 & elsewhere )
asciilifeform: this was historically asciilifeform's crit of the 'big' lispms -- 'screen door on submarine'
amberglint: That's a good question
asciilifeform: i.e. appears that symbolics (can't speak re xerox et al, and e.g. lmi/texas instruments irrelevant, as afaik only sold cadr clones) didn't actually have the confidence to bake a fully 'sealed' lisp cpu, where pointerism not exposed to programmer
asciilifeform: instead left room for all kindsa 'late night with pizzas' kludgery
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-11 11:41:04 phf: it's also ancient development practices, which i'm usually all for, but this is the case where some moved on made sense. global package level state in dynamic variables kind of things
asciilifeform: this is possibly 1 piece of the puzzle 'wai bolix died?' . ultimately was making slightly-fancier 'sparc' and the folx making unashamed 'regular' sparc etc. ate'em and laughed.
asciilifeform not aboutta 'hurrr, designers at bolix -- idjits!!' -- folx were working under obv. economic constraints, even at the peak of phree reagan moolah
asciilifeform: ic fab -- was (as today) expensive, and folx who dared to make 'martian' arch, which would need multiple revisions to become of any use whatsoever, and with access to the req. moolah -- few to nonexistent.
asciilifeform: afaik mit's 'scheme83'/84 were the 1st (and last) such attempts to be made public.
phf: asciilifeform: i think schemexx cpu was a novel idea, traditionally wild pointer problem was solved at the level of ucode. at least for bolix i suspect by the time they were making a cpu (and they've poached everyone they could from schemexx project), they already had to deal with legacy architecture.
asciilifeform: phf: aha, there wasn't any way they could 100% run away from 3600 legacy
phf: in fact i wouldn't even call it legacy architecture. their approach was very much a ball of mud kind of hacking on architecture level also. "take these common circuits and replace them with pals" later "take this one big circuit and put it vlsi", rather than architecture 2.0!11
asciilifeform: with very minor cleanup -- yes
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-08-12 11:31:20 asciilifeform: both faced very similar problem in 1980 -- how to go from 'two tonnes of 74xxx' to vlsi. and at ~same time~ fund refinement of os and application programs (at the time, useful software was expected to ~ship with a comp~, like you expect tyres to come w/ a new auto )
verisimilitude: The problem with load-gc-copy isn't immediately obvious to me.
verisimilitude: I likely lack context with the rest of the document is all.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: you know how programmer doesn't expect to be able to change how ADD, SUB, DIV, MUL work ?
asciilifeform: per asciilifeform's lights, gc oughta be precisely like that.
asciilifeform: it either worx -- in which case belongs in the irons and wholly outside of purview of os -- or it's a kludge, in which case, well, what we have nao.
asciilifeform: 'gc in operating system' is similar to the ancient lul of certain '80s micros where os had to manually trigger dram refresh
asciilifeform: (not even speaking of 'gc in user coad' idjicy there)
verisimilitude: Well, at least one model did allow changing how addition, subtraction, and others worked.
verisimilitude: But sure, I see.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: until 'recently' , iron div/mul was rare, and these were normally implemented by users
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-16 17:50:04 asciilifeform: ( from ^ pov inclusion of #9' and #11 extravagant -- '80s iron made do with 'egyptians' virtually without exception )
asciilifeform: but where included in iron -- typically used as given.
asciilifeform: ... continuing with above -- per asciilifeform's lights, moving to/from ram and nonvolatile store -- also belongs in function of correctly-built iron rather than to be left to programmer. but already many times described this in depth, so won't repeat.
asciilifeform: current comp (and even '80s lispm) very much 8-pedal bus.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-18 16:10:51 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: picture a bus w/ 4 brake and 4 gas pedals. 1 per wheel.
asciilifeform: ( today in multicpu, sometimes over9000-pedal bus, lol )
verisimilitude: I still like the idea of trying to use systolic arrays for everything.
asciilifeform: very easy to 'like idea'. nao draw a working machine...
verisimilitude: I'd like to, one day.
asciilifeform: 'liking' is very, very cheap. then you start w/ physical objects, and find that even in absurdly simple circuit can spend month+ fighting metastability etc
verisimilitude: A systolic array really does seem to be something best used as a component of a larger system, however.
asciilifeform: iron makers (unlike programmers) historically not 'tards'. but extremely cautious, 'burned on hot, will blow on cold', because failure is very, very expensive. ( and if yer doing anyffin out of the ordinary -- virtually guaranteed for 1st n iterations )
asciilifeform: and n can be arbitrarily large.
asciilifeform: today, even to 'try' is so expensive that only 'tbtf' can meaningfully play. and they make exclusively x86 and pnojes for 1e8 morons to lolcat on, outta sheer economic lock if nuffin else.
verisimilitude: I expect TBTF to expand to something Taiwanese.
asciilifeform: 'too big to fail'(tm)
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-07-26 asciilifeform: the coveted 'garden of eden' situation where ~there isn't a microshit~, when there is not a usg department-of-computing that has its tentacles in every orifice - won't be coming back until some quasi-mythical breakthrough decentralizes chip fabbing
dulapbot: (trilema) 2018-10-25 asciilifeform: imho the classical fab is an overwhelmingly incatronic tech, it centralizes unhealthily.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2019-04-17 asciilifeform: it's the most massively centralized industry that exists. there are actually moar independent satellite launchers than e.g. <= 70nm fabs.
asciilifeform: whole field is in a cultural trap from which there atm aint even a hypothetical exit.
verisimilitude: Isn't seventy nanometer small enough, with the fat trimmed?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: likely even 1um is smallenuff (2um was good enuff for bolix) ; but it aint as if the old processes somehow cheap
verisimilitude: I was trying to recall just that, yes.
asciilifeform: and if you aint making '386' and rather want to drive modern drams, throw packets around at modern gb/s, etc. yer stuck w/ 'modern' densities
verisimilitude: Yes, we've already established how fucked everything is.
asciilifeform: dun hurt to elaborate re why.
asciilifeform: at any rate not negotiable part of any, even hypothetical & distant unfucking.
asciilifeform must bbl
amberglint: Speaking of slightly fancier sparcs, I've found a new MIT spin-off company that is selling a tagged RISC-V variant called Dover: https://www.dovermicrosystems.com/
amberglint: All public info I managed to find:
amberglint: Someone's attempt to write an OS for it: https://web.mit.edu/ha22286/www/papers/MEng20_4.pdf
amberglint: It's not for workstations, but rather for "embedded" and "IoT" uses
phf: dat "thesis spacing"
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-20#1107844 << worth mentioning the extent of the cultural trap, that garage fab is likely to get the same terrorist/pedo/tax-evader reception as garage-printed gun.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-20 17:57:59 asciilifeform: whole field is in a cultural trap from which there atm aint even a hypothetical exit.
verisimilitude: It's even worse, because people expect the right to own guns.
verisimilitude: There's no constitutional right to unmolested computation.
verisimilitude: There's not even a constitutional right to being unmolested in practice.
signpost: a more intelligent civilization might've taken an abstract interpretation of the first and fourth amendments, but this is not that civilization.
verisimilitude: Perhaps the next civilization will.
vex: signpost, garage fab, is that where you park the truck on the driveway, do a quick hoover, and start baking ics?
phf: pickard and apperson of IC fabbing when
vex: run some shafts for geothermal turbines
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-20 16:58:28 dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-07-06 erlehmann: http://web.mst.edu/~lmhall/WhatToDoWhenTrisectorComes.pdf
phf: "at peak we were fabbing about 5000 cpus a day -- 5000 a day? -- yes -- that's a lot of illegal cpus. do you know, do you know what kind of uses your cpus were put to -- i don't understand... -- what i'm asking is if you know that your cpus were put in use by domestic terrorists? -- look, now, we were -- i have information here from FBI, that links the use of your cpus with notorious domestic terrorist groups like proud boys and other
phf: such white supremacist groups" etc.
asciilifeform: phf: precisely how it'd go, supposing someone discovered how to make it go; see e.g.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-03-01 asciilifeform: unlicensed possession of glassware, caustics, 'drug precursors', ...
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-05-17 asciilifeform: i suspect that in not too long, ratshack will be remembered the way the folx who sold, openly and for cash on barrel, chemical glassware are remembered - which is to say not at all, 'you gotta be shitting me, there were never'
vex: Deep in the earths crust, perfect crystal silicon is forming. This is no ancient geological process. Somehow, somewhere, the art of itegrated circuit manufacture has been taken to another level. With their smuggled wares prized throughout the Universe, we take you deep underground to visit a world of manufacture that has surface dwelling sweating.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-20#1107870 << apparently pickard was paroled in '20; had nfi
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-20 20:00:48 phf: pickard and apperson of IC fabbing when
asciilifeform: ( d00d was sentenced to 'several consecutive life w/out parole' as is the usg custom )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-20 18:33:23 amberglint: Speaking of slightly fancier sparcs, I've found a new MIT spin-off company that is selling a tagged RISC-V variant called Dover: https://www.dovermicrosystems.com/
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-25 13:11:41 asciilifeform: bonechewer: what's the newsworthy part ? there's already 'over9000' riscv already posted, and some even fit in ice40. (the issue with all of these is that they either fit in ice40, xor have decent performance. typically for the latter relies on various proprietary ram controllers & other periphs not included in src)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-20#1107872 << observe that the folx discussed in that piece were not unintelligent. their problem was rather different.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-20 20:05:37 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-20#1107753 This was a horrifying read.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-03-05 asciilifeform: the mechanism in their heads that is needed to dis-invest in an unproductive line of inquiry breaks.
verisimilitude: Okay, but there's also the matter of someone who never sees things through.
verisimilitude: I'm going to view my language modelling work as a decent use of my time, since there be no proof it's not.
vex: I'd agree verisimilitude. although I'd much rather read latin that whatver a kanadian karen konkockted
verisimilitude: We agree, vex.
verisimilitude: I'm done playing with the linguistics retardant for now.
verisimilitude: Besides, some of what I did is reusable.
verisimilitude: On the topic of unproductive work, my website now has a custom 404 page.
vex: adlai must be pretty pleased with himself. circular train.
vex: I wouldn't have thought of that
vex: how many years in university for you verisimilitude?
vex: still parsing the word?
vex: this 404 better have tits if I go looking
verisimilitude: That's private, vex.
verisimilitude: There are no tits on my website.
vex: Impressaprofessor. add tits. he might look
vex: fine whatever, you do you
vex: try to stop annoying phf.
verisimilitude: I wasn't trying.
vex: I know. I said try not to
verisimilitude: Here vex, my 404 page temporarily has some mammaries: http://verisimilitudes.net/error
verisimilitude: Take a look.
verisimilitude: She's even spreading her legs.
vex: it'd been 12 moons
vex: one might assume that your preparations are left wanting veris
verisimilitude: I'm about to change it back, vex.
vex: there's no going back
vex: ad infinitum
verisimilitude: I've reverted the change.
vex: retards go home
vex: sorry for your loss
vex: lemme just dial up bingoboingo. you know what he'll ask
vex: cunt's prolly popping out uraguay babies
vex: why i',m invited to interface with globo... fuck you
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