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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://maakal.blogspot.com.ar/2013/06/leisure-suit-larry-age-verification.html
assbot: Solved: Leisure Suit Larry Age Verification Questions ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZjZEo )
asciilifeform: waitasec
asciilifeform: this is -not- the classic set!
asciilifeform: mentions 'enron', wtf.
asciilifeform: and 'freedom fries' etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anbd re wynn's mishap : http://www.google.com.ar/url?url=http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/10/23/the-40-million-elbow&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ei=1MxSVZXzHsOdgwTPxYAo&ved=0CBoQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNHcHL4pbfohTFpHaR9wDiL5DGoE2A
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZke2d )
BingoBoingo of all things wants land in USia capable of growing serious onions, for the only reason that onion futures in USia are banned
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, better source. http://www.allowe.com/games/larry/tips-manuals/lsl1-age-quiz.html
assbot: LSL1 Age Quiz - Al Lowe's Humor Site ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZkhLm )
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is it with the koreans and killing people with antiaircraft guns.
mircea_popescu: is this the effect of the rambo series ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am presently at a loss for reasons to believe that it happened
asciilifeform: south kr mouthpieces tell tales of precisely this flavour regularly
mod6: Alright I've got a Gentoo AMD64 uclibc hardened booted successfully. I basically just had a few minor tweaks to make to the notes; i.e., uclibc version doens't install grub by default, there is no /etc/locale.gen by default. That kinda thing.
mod6: I'm having a bit of ssh pubkey auth issues again.
asciilifeform: and the disgraced and supposedly blown-from-cannons fella has, just as believably, been alleged to have been seen in public again.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00025621 = 5.5469 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129660 << sadly, distinctness and stupidity are pretty much married these days.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:09:20; decimation: williamdunne: it's not that I'm a hater on asian folk, just that it doesn't have a distinct 'englishness' anymore
mod6: anyone know if service starts up on its own in the uclibc version?
mircea_popescu: mod6 dun think so.
BingoBoingo likes the rando commenters addopting scamzor names and trying to out a comment by the since quit pankkake: http://trilema.com/2015/introducing-the-bitcoin-isp/
assbot: Introducing the Bitcoin ISP on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1F67oOG )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> is this the effect of the rambo series ? << Yes
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129657 << pretty sure they can't simply republish it. what news would it be then.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:08:53; trinque: I'll just stick the thing on trinque.org and then you guys can make your own decisions re: newsworthiness
BingoBoingo: As far as lower Korea is concerned they beat the Chicoms by having anti aircraft guns entrenched mostest
asciilifeform has always liked the british 'devil's wind' cannon punishment, but for some reason grew up believing at first that it had been invented by the turks
mircea_popescu: im not even sure wtf anti aircraft guns are supposed to even do anymore.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129657 << pretty sure they can't simply republish it. what news would it be then. << Principle objection to how too articles
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:08:53; trinque: I'll just stick the thing on trinque.org and then you guys can make your own decisions re: newsworthiness
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo just saying, once he publishes it on his blog, that's that, no qntra.
decimation: mircea_popescu: the reason distinctness and stupidity are married is because social democracy sucks anyone with half a brain out of his native soil and places him in bureaucracy
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> im not even sure wtf anti aircraft guns are supposed to even do anymore <<Anti-personelle duty fron the aim impoverished.\
mircea_popescu: decimation may well be.
decimation: the wehrmacht made good use of their 88mm guns for a variety of purposes
mircea_popescu: it may also be that distinctness is a flavour of tradition, and no tradition survived ww2.
decimation: yeah that's largely true
mod6: awe crap, might have missed `rc-update add local default`. aight one more try here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: incorrect. from these figures alone << then they're not terribly useful figures are they :D
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo just saying, once he publishes it on his blog, that's that, no qntra. << Sure. Maybe it is a congitive bias of myself, but I assume persona; wordfests would always get the best Tips and Tricks (TM firstest)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105827 @ 0.00025841 = 27.3468 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the sluts in question <<< doesn't change the fact that the sentiment was genuine.
mircea_popescu: im pretty certain more russians identify with a femen-centered-reality than with a stalin centered one.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2ua3j7W8a1qhn3zpo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZlbYy )
decimation: lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0aHnFo5CI8 < some crazy kiwis have restored an 88mm flak, fire blanks randomy
assbot: 88mm Flak - WW2 Anti-Aircraft Gun - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZlgvc )
mod6: * rc-update: local already installed in runlevel `default'; skipping << hmm.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 224100 @ 0.00025153 = 56.3679 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137512 @ 0.00026012 = 35.7696 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: have to pick it up tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: "assumes that usa will occupy self with same army - and same aimlessness - with which it occupied iraq. this is not a proven fact." << lemme guess... they have a meta army in reserve, just haven't been using it because reasons ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform: "assumes that usa will occupy self with same army - and same aimlessness - with which it occupied iraq. this is not a proven fact." << lemme guess... they have a meta army in reserve, just haven't been using it because reasons ? << Nah, most "officers" same just Iraw army aged out
mircea_popescu: myeah
BingoBoingo: Just ungodly turnover.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129815 << this point is particularly amusing. what will the soldiers sent to kill the next obama do ?
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:39:27; asciilifeform: decimation: the official story not only does not add up, but wtf, they killed all of the witnesses (own soldiers) in 'training accidents' aha.
mircea_popescu: guy, if he has any sense, will go "hey, you kill me - they kill you."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129826 << sadly, i have nfi. there's a bunch of ru/ukr photogs that do fetish-y/arts-y stuff in the style of met, but i can't trace this one.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:44:37; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i would dearly like to learn the context for this picture ^
mircea_popescu: o wait, williamdunne = vanclef ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, he linked to articles mentioning a Vancleef who was the same Vancleef in the CFTC hearings
mircea_popescu: aha
BingoBoingo: Still God only knows if that is the same Vancleef who noised up here back in the day
mircea_popescu: o, also : http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/19/world/europe/romanians-tale-has-art-world-fearing-worst.html
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZmDtX )
decimation: oh no what a shame
decimation: now those monets can't be kept in some basement somewhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 399900 @ 0.00025131 = 100.4989 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2015/05/a-good-guy-with-a-gun/ < note that a single regular beat cop with a 9mm handgun was what stopped the crazy 'terrorists' in texas
assbot: A Good Guy with a Gun « Isegoria ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZmNRZ )
decimation: one cop that could shoot accurately was infinitely more effective at 'stopping terrorists' than hundreds of thousands of security bureaucrats
mircea_popescu: decimation mostly quoted for the "A Romanian forensic expert at work in a laboratory at the National History Museum in Bucharest." running... windows.
decimation: heh, probably most such laboratories run windows
decimation: because that's what their fancy machines use
mircea_popescu: and his display i think is the basic image viewer
decimation: heh that's lulzy - it is the 'windows fax and media viewer'
mircea_popescu: with experts such as these, we hardly need brutish peasants anymore.
decimation: "Referring to the Dogarus, Mr. Oberlander-Tarnoveanu said, "It seems they were not very honest, because apparently a lot of members of the family had a long judicial history."
decimation: no shit sherlock
decimation: from the earlier podcast "Again, if you accept my proposition that the object of the museum enterprise is for people to be engaging with art rather than for museums to be possessing art, then I think all of these questions come to the surface, and that they are real possibilities once we understand how much enormous wealth has been accumulated and isn't being put to use."
decimation: note the difference between merely possessing and engaging - "Yeah I have a chunk of that roman temple, it's my birdbath"
mircea_popescu: what if i don't accept that proposition ?
mircea_popescu: it seems to me the height of stupidity. "people" have specifically no business "engaging" with art.
mircea_popescu: they've "engaged" with literature, and it was to everyone's detriment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72100 @ 0.0002603 = 18.7676 BTC [+]
decimation: heh. well if you zoom out to the big picture - there is no 'optimal' distribution of art if you define 'optimal' as 'turns peasants into people'
mircea_popescu: right ?
decimation: the layers of pretense wrapped up in the 'art' market are amusing
mircea_popescu: there is this very ridiculous animism at work, whereby somehow "art" is objectively beautiful, and beauty is somehow objectively good, which makes it you know, turn lions to lambs.
decimation: rich folk pretend they have taste, 'art people' pretend they are somebodies, hedge fund managers pretend they are 'investing'
mircea_popescu: a trope as old as the greeks.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the purpose of art is much simpler : the mob is illiterate, and art is the single letter alphabet catering to all its needs : "THIS IS WHY YOU ARE SCUM". that's the only sentence that needs to be expressed.
decimation: cities pretend they have culture, schools pretend to education. all because some derp scribble some shit on a canvas
mircea_popescu: and that's why revolution -> looting versailles is such an automatism
mircea_popescu: and why the "golden toilets" propaganda bits of contemporaneity.
decimation: because when the san qulot saw the fancy paintings they knew in their hindbrain that they were inferior?
mircea_popescu: no, because they had spent their lives with the "you are inferior because versailles" mantra
mircea_popescu: so once they decided to no longewr be inferior they had to do SOMETHING about this
mircea_popescu: there really is no objective anything in aesthetics. what hindbrains.
decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution#/media/File:Cruikshank_-_The_Radical%27s_Arms.png
assbot: French Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZnrik )
mircea_popescu: is that up top a frigian gynecologist's cap with candles ?
decimation: heh yeah it's a phrygian cap
decimation: donno why the candles
decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_cap < for folks who don't know
assbot: Phrygian cap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGtzvH )
decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_cap#/media/File:Manif_pour_tous_Paris_2013-01-13_n11.jpg < continues even to this day, the derpitude
assbot: Phrygian cap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGtEiU )
decimation: heh there are amusing layers here > "In 1854, when sculptor Thomas Crawford was preparing models for sculpture for the United States Capitol, Secretary of War Jefferson Davis (later to be the President of the Confederate States of America) insisted that a Phrygian cap not be included on a Statue of Freedom, on the grounds that "American liberty is original and not the liberty of the freed slave". "
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: argentinians are really into the cap.
decimation: usians have mostly forgotten about it, even though it apparently is on the seal of the us senate
decimation: is argentina going to slide into socialist morass like brazil and mexico?
mircea_popescu: no. brazil and mexico are actually developped economies and so forth.
mircea_popescu: argentina is a bunch of inept peasants.
mircea_popescu: they used to export meat, but failed to meet the quotas, lost the contracts, are now exporting soy.
mircea_popescu: argentina is headed to go look for chad, not for brazil.
decimation: it's amusing that the supposed flower of germany's exiles haven't seem to have underped argentina
mircea_popescu: heh. country is half italians.
mircea_popescu: no place could survive such a thing.
decimation: heh
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Tree_map_export_2009_Argentina.jpeg < there you go.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGuDjg )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167950 @ 0.00025116 = 42.1823 BTC [-]
decimation: lol oilcake
mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Romania_Export_Treemap.png << meanwhile this is what they THINK they're doing.
assbot: File:Romania Export Treemap.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGuMmO )
decimation: wow romania actually makes shit
mircea_popescu: !up copypaste
copypaste: thanks
mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?
copypaste: i own 8ch.net. i was here before, maybe when it was called 8chan.co, on a different nick.
decimation: I bet the majority of argintina's 'raw materials' exports are extracted by foreign corporations
mircea_popescu: doh.
mircea_popescu: o yeah. how goes ?
copypaste: quite well actually
cazalla: copypaste, hotwheels?
copypaste: yes, that's the name people have given me ;)
copypaste: this is my normal nick
mircea_popescu: copypaste you know it'd be a great idea to make and register a gpg identity, that way you won't have to lose your identity
cazalla: copypaste, i like ben garrison's drawing of you
cazalla: can you lick your elbow for us here btw?
copypaste: lol
mircea_popescu: lmao
copypaste: yes i was here to do that after reading some of your blogs. i really like the recent one about argentina
mircea_popescu: hey, do you do advertising on 8chan ?
copypaste: you said that no one is anyone in bitcoin if they aren't in the WoT so I came around to attempt to become someone
copypaste: I do
mircea_popescu: it's not hard.
mircea_popescu: !h
assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
mircea_popescu: aite so get in the wot then let's work something out.
cazalla: copypaste, you should BingoBoingo about all the hottie pinos you're banging
copypaste: hehehe
cazalla: tell i mean
BingoBoingo: So Jealous here in lower Illinois.
copypaste: OK. I did !register but !up tells me I have to have a certain rating to !up
mircea_popescu: and to satisfy cazalla's urge for interracial hotties, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcerq1G5fk1rj0p5uo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZp8MQ )
copypaste: I don't see any other way to verify though
mircea_popescu: !rate copypaste 1 Presumably, 8chan owner
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5e6659d6e8e7099a
BingoBoingo: !rate copypaste 1 Rolling fury
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9896ee597a66a987
copypaste: thanks
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.copypaste.1:6a39e2875f7495615b8265fa1f1f6054353e1a308551b3c4a80dae745ff74ed8
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for copypaste with note: Presumably, 8chan owner
copypaste: hmm
copypaste: gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 16B8E32E
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.copypaste.1:a6902919995628c0c68869bfdf8c7522fa21bd81a50d0776b7f7799f4cc9b42e
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for copypaste with note: Rolling fury
copypaste: but I did
copypaste: 01:31:43 copypaste !register 6F12EC72A82ABCA35235063A10DDC983901AA183
copypaste: not sure what key is 16B8E32E
mircea_popescu: !gettrust copypaste
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user copypaste: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=copypaste | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/copypaste/
mircea_popescu: dang alpha doesn't have him yet
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Alpha only updates daily
mircea_popescu: ya
mircea_popescu: [tonick] => copypaste [tokey] => 6f12ec72a82abca35235063a10ddc983901aa183
copypaste: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5e6659d6e8e7099a is encrypted with ID 16B8E32E
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGwbtu )
mircea_popescu: you're registered alright, what's the problem
BingoBoingo still soliciting bids on decade old Iris rhizomes in purple, yellow and gold as well as white common daisy rhizomes
copypaste: So that's the wrong key
mircea_popescu: copypaste that's his key.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 440968 @ 0.00026023 = 114.7531 BTC [+] {3}
copypaste: Oh
mircea_popescu: he needs to confirm his rating of you
cazalla: !rate copypaste 1 prolly JIDF but anyway
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e938803b880a802b
copypaste: I understand. I thought you were telling me how to verify, sorry.
copypaste: lol
mircea_popescu: nah, you registered and got ratings, you're good.
BingoBoingo: copypaste: It is a cognitive hiccup we all hit nao
mircea_popescu: tomorrow can check out your name in alpha website, under http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/copypaste
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGwioQ )
BingoBoingo: previous different bot was different
mircea_popescu: ok, so now : what would you want to push the "Welcome to 8chan," text to the right on 8chan, and sell me the center there.
copypaste: For how long?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157100 @ 0.00026003 = 40.8507 BTC [-]
copypaste: Also, I recommend putting ads on the boards (or the boards page https://8ch.net/boards.html ) and not the homepage for the most people to see it.
assbot: Boards on ∞chan ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZpxin )
mircea_popescu: forever.
mircea_popescu: paid monthly or w/e.
mircea_popescu: hm
copypaste: forever, haha. what would the text be?
mircea_popescu: oh i see... yeah boards much better huh
copypaste: Yeah. Most people just bookmark their favorite board or whatever.
mircea_popescu: right makes sense.
mircea_popescu: the idea being that i'd just rotate banners, whatever they might be.
cazalla: !v assbot:cazalla.rate.copypaste.1:3cabd5a51fac525d743abba6bdd058dd0c0a75bdb94cde95251c51e58e81e598
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for copypaste with note: prolly JIDF but anyway
mircea_popescu: ;;ud jidf
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jidf | Jidf is an acronym for Jewish Internet Defense Force, an organization, whose job is to spread positive propaganda about Israel. Supporting Isreal on news ...
mircea_popescu: ahaha wut.
mircea_popescu: cazalla incidentally, i was reading about some anti-racist association thingee. was good for a lol.
cazalla: it's a /pol/ joke/troll
copypaste: Well, it is a real organization too.
copypaste: But it's not known if they actually post on 4/8chan.
mircea_popescu: so are mine. http://antiracistaction.org/?p=275 << derping about how they beat up on some dudes.
assbot: » TRADITIONALIST YOUTH NETWORK ATTACKED MINUTES BEFORE THEIR DEMONSTRATION ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZpN0P )
mircea_popescu: very adolescentine altogether.
cazalla: pretty sure they posted on 4chan but prob not near as much as claimed
mircea_popescu: made me feel 16 all over again
mircea_popescu: o, wait, cause there's this jews imageboard meme, rite.
copypaste: Yes
mircea_popescu: copypaste any reason those banners are all tiny ?
copypaste: 728x90 is tiny?
copypaste: I assumed it was a standard size
mircea_popescu: maybe i happenbed opn a small one lessee
mircea_popescu: http://8ch.net/static/banners/n/1429920267517.jpg <<
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZpV0b )
mircea_popescu: that can't be 728 across
copypaste: Ahh. That's not an ad banner, it's a board banner.
copypaste: They're set by whoever creates the board.
mircea_popescu: oh
copypaste: Ad banners are above the post form
copypaste: On 404 pages, and on catalog pages. Yeah.
mircea_popescu: so those anonymous ads things ?
mircea_popescu: ugly whiter Pirate Center Fast Torrent Downloads Download Movies Music Games & Software Free & FAST pirate.center" thing ?
cazalla: copypaste, so is it copypaste? i figured it was hotwheels for real
BingoBoingo thinking everyday a proboxing fight for my 40th birthday is more realistic
copypaste: cazalla: I am hotwheels for real, how would you like me to verify that?
copypaste: I added my pubkey from http://8ch.net/pubkey.txt to assbot
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZq0B4 )
cazalla: no, i mean nickwise
cazalla: wasn't sure if you call yourself hotwheels or just others
mircea_popescu: that's actually valid verification.
copypaste: Oh. I've always used the nick "copypaste" in IRC ( as well as on Github: http://github.com/ctrlcctrlv ). Hotwheels is a meme.
assbot: ctrlcctrlv (Fredrick Brennan) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZq2sC )
mircea_popescu: copypaste ok, so how much do "anonymous-ads" pay you for that spot ?
copypaste: It was abysmal before I contacted the owner. Then he paid me 0.01BTC for yesterday.
copypaste: Still pretty abysmal, but it was even worse before.
mircea_popescu: ahaha.
mircea_popescu: i''ll payt you 1 btc upfront for the first month and you give it to me, exclusive. no other ads on 8chan
cazalla: copypaste, ah ok got it, wasn't questioning if you are who you claim to be btw
mircea_popescu: anbd this includes coinbase bullshit.
copypaste: I'm not even getting paid for that Coinbase link ;) 4free
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> so are mine. http://antiracistaction.org/?p=275 << derping about how they beat up on some dudes.<< WHat the everloving fuck.
assbot: » TRADITIONALIST YOUTH NETWORK ATTACKED MINUTES BEFORE THEIR DEMONSTRATION ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZqbw1 )
mircea_popescu: copypaste i write you a rotator script, you just pull that in ?
copypaste: mircea_popescu: Some boards don't have a-ads. The agreement with the hosting company is that for some boards, they put their own ads, but I don't know how much those make. In turn they don't send me a bill.
mircea_popescu: which boards are these ?
copypaste: I can put it on all the a-ads boards, but if I made it exclusive for you for the whole site, I'd need to find a new host.
BingoBoingo: I guess BTC-ISP will have to fish a new client...
copypaste: They are...every board except:
copypaste: $config['banned_ad_boards'] = array('b','furry','cuteboys','hebe','erp','loli','hentaikey4','younglove','r9k','ssft','deutsch','bbw','r','rule34','100l','hentaikey4','kong','lit','baphomet');
mircea_popescu doesn't even know wtf this all is.
copypaste: Boards.
copypaste: 8ch.net/b
mircea_popescu: so your host gets the listed ones ?
copypaste: 8ch.net/furry
mircea_popescu: yeah but, baphomet ? wtf ?
copypaste: No, he gets all of them except the listed ones.
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: can you up yourself ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Baphomet is the devil board that doxxed the evil Judge Forrest
mircea_popescu: oh.
BingoBoingo: !up copypaste
BingoBoingo: copypaste: !up thyself
mircea_popescu: so basically host gets all teh good ones is the idea ?
copypaste: !v assbot:copypaste.up:a83b0e7626cd435b725ff2f5cf9273e420a71a9f1d84305e3c58401f4b8c0acb
copypaste: /b/ is a good one.
copypaste: /furry/ is rank #4.
copypaste: /cuteboys/ is also in the top 25. Rank 10 I think.
copypaste: Basically he doesn't like porn boards.
copypaste: /b/ is the second most popular board on the site.
mircea_popescu: and pol gets no ads i see ?
copypaste: You might have adblock on
copypaste: Or, the derps (sorry to steal your word) in charge still have ignored me and haven't added SSL support
mircea_popescu: yeah. it just fails to load.
BingoBoingo: copypaste: Basically everyone here has weird browser settings and compile flags
copypaste: Indeed, that's the problem
mircea_popescu: well, what sort of server are you getting ?
copypaste: We have 7 servers.
copypaste: One of them has a 10TB RAID6 for all the media.
BingoBoingo: copypaste: Discrete machines, VPS cores, or rack units
mircea_popescu: and so your host gets /pol/ but can't be arsed to put advertising on it fo real ?
copypaste: If you visit it on non-https it will work. Like I said, they are hard to deal with. They told me "new ad code by the end of May".
copypaste: I'm holding my breaeth still.
copypaste: Also most of the ads are in Japanese.
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1Y0NDJX << this is there, so it just fails.
assbot: dpaste: 1Y0NDJX ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGxQiF )
mircea_popescu: http://8ch.net/pol/ << http is no different, soimehow
assbot: /pol/ - Politically Incorrect ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGxRTO )
BingoBoingo: I see no banner on /pol/ either, but...
copypaste: I do: http://a.pomf.se/miwbnz.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZqFT8 )
copypaste: As I said, they're incompetent so it doesn't work over HTTPS.
copypaste: That's really what it comes down to.
copypaste: And they can't be assed to fix it until end of May, apparently.
mircea_popescu: i think it might not work because geolocation, too.
copypaste: Oh yeah, that's a local ad for here.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you're getting 7 servers including expensive raid arrangements for the ads you should prolly stick to that deal. i doubt the advertising value of what seems like 15 maybe 20k uniques past 72 hours could support that.
copypaste: Indeed. And if you want any of the a-ads boards I can do that too.
mircea_popescu: course, since they seem to just be burning the americas market... maybe ask them if they'd be willing to split it like that ?
mircea_popescu: copypaste honestly i mostly wanted pol.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35243 @ 0.00025116 = 8.8516 BTC [-]
copypaste: I can do that. They told me that if people email me about ads on boards they have ads on (/pol/, /v/) I should accept it and tell them.
copypaste: I get email occasionally about putting ads on /v/.
copypaste: (Video Games)
mircea_popescu: that too, im about to launch eulora.
copypaste: So in reality I'll pay them most of what you give me, but you still get your ad.
mircea_popescu: interesting approach.
copypaste: And I can remove the Coinbase/localbitcoins thing as well
copypaste: Indeed. Since I'm the main email ( admin@8chan.co ) I get most ad inquiries anyway
mircea_popescu: alright, well, let's see this, gimme then the a-ads set + pol + v, and i
mircea_popescu: ll pay the btc and after a month we see.
mircea_popescu: how about that ?
copypaste: Okay, cool. Works for me
mircea_popescu: aite, effective in a coupla days once i get the rotator in place ?
copypaste: Sure thing
mircea_popescu: addy ?
copypaste: I can implement it as soon as you're ready by adding /pol/, /v/ and /i/ to the banned_boards thing and then changing the ad code.
copypaste: Addy is 1LMWkmYpPNXLr9SKHXtZvSrraEWTZtm5Wb
copypaste: Or 1PeYbcRaXTKGaCaRzRsPbfPXrQNc8Cfxkm . Doesn't matter.
mircea_popescu: aite. ideally you add this chan to your idle list and so i can just ping you when it's ready.
copypaste: Will do. It'll be the 117th channel I'm idling in :)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: cazalla hey, wanna make a list of trilema articles that fit with 8chan ? and qntra idem.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97140 @ 0.00025244 = 24.522 BTC [+]
cazalla: not sure qntra has any specific to pol, they'd need an interest in bitcoin to begin with.. as for trilema, i'll have a hunt
copypaste: I've gotten some of them interested.
mircea_popescu: gotta find something.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198350 @ 0.00026123 = 51.815 BTC [+] {3}
copypaste: Due to derps 8chan can only accept Bitcoin donations reliably.
copypaste: I've had to school many people in how to buy Bitcoin due to this.
cazalla: copypaste, fucking flattr eh
copypaste: Indeed. Not just them.
copypaste: Gratipay, Patreon. PayPal but that's a give in.
cazalla: well paypal is a given
mircea_popescu: lol what is the issue again ?
copypaste: PayPal blocked me for "hate speech"
mircea_popescu: https://media.8ch.net/cuteboys/src/1431376685493.jpg too weird ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGzukx )
mircea_popescu: what did you say ?
copypaste: Patreon blocked me for "illustrated child pornograhy"
copypaste: mircea_popescu: It's not what I say. These peopole hold me accountable for what anonymous users do.
copypaste: That's the problem.
copypaste: They hold us accountable for the posts on the site as if we mdae them.
mircea_popescu: lol illustrated pornography!
mircea_popescu: well ok, so what did the posts say
copypaste: They didn't cite any specific posts, PayPal at least.
cazalla: copypaste, that's family guy porn is illegal here, same with A cup sized titties in porn because can be somehow associated with pre-pubescent girls
cazalla: oh and squirting too.. banned
copypaste: Indeed. That was their official reason. It even got in a video game blog: http://www.destructoid.com/8chan-removed-from-patreon-becomes-cat-sanctuary-285272.phtml
assbot: 8chan removed from Patreon... Becomes cat sanctuary - destructoid ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGzAZq )
copypaste: cazalla: Australian?
cazalla: yup
copypaste: Yeah, that's insane.
copypaste: That's why there's no web services running out of Aus.
copypaste: No forums or user generated content sites.
mircea_popescu: wait. what's the problem with squirting ?
copypaste: Patreon wrote
copypaste: "While we understand your commitment to free speech, we will not allow 8chan to continue using Patreon, as several boards facilitate the distribution of harmful content and activity, such as illustrated child exploitation imagery."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They think it is pissing
cazalla: well australian government says women can't squirt, doesn't exist and is in fact pissing and urination porn is forbidden
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: wait... pissing is forbidden in australia ?
mircea_popescu: so what do you do ?
copypaste: I guess videotaping the pissing is illegal.
copypaste: You can still piss, just don't let a camera see.
cazalla: pissing and fucking at the same time on video or providing it for others to watch is illegal
mircea_popescu: what happens if you piss on surveilalnce cams ?
copypaste: haha
mircea_popescu: like you know, take a girl out, fuck her, the piss on the cam.
copypaste: Or if you have sex in a public bathroom
copypaste: Indeed.
mircea_popescu: (yes, i have done this)
copypaste: Call the cops on the operator of the camera.
cazalla: they'll arrest you for pissing in public
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: you got no bars there i take it.
cazalla: we do and they run sting operations in alley ways to catch pissers
BingoBoingo: No, the CCtv perv was a pr0nographist
mircea_popescu: ahahaha what
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> we do and they run sting operations in alley ways to catch pissers << Not a thing here yet
mircea_popescu: copypaste https://blockchain.info/tx/eea8640039c6eeb7ee7d3b109f540eb1c1283202526952381ba2ace420e11906
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction eea8640039c6eeb7ee7d3b109f540eb1c1283202526952381ba2ace420e11906 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGzZLg )
mircea_popescu: http://8ch.net/cuteboys/res/94850.html << dude check out all the fuckable adolescent bois.
assbot: /cuteboys/ - The Slut Thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGA4ic )
cazalla: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/public-urinations-dry-up-after-act-police-and-city-initiatives-20140306-34afb.html
assbot: Public urinations dry up after ACT Police and city initiatives ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGA6GL )
copypaste: Thanks mircea_popescu. Ping me with the ad code when it's ready
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: https://media.8ch.net/cuteboys/src/1430738295625.jpg << that is his rifle, that is his gun.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGA9Cy )
mircea_popescu: and that to the left is the lightswitch.
copypaste: lmao. That board literally has a map
copypaste: Where they put markers of themselves and ask to get fucked.
BingoBoingo: ;;google they really are buttcoins nao
gribble: They really are Buttcoins nao on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao>; Perfect money corrupts absolutely on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely>; February 2013 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/02>
mircea_popescu: ahaha yeah. copypaste any womenz on 8chan as far as you know ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 203100 @ 0.00025365 = 51.5163 BTC [-] {5}
copypaste: There is a /fem/ board.
copypaste: Unfortunately not as popular.
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema pay for your tits
gribble: I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/>; They really are Buttcoins nao on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao>; June 2014 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/06>
copypaste: They also sometimes post on /b/ for attention.
mircea_popescu: ^that's still good.
mircea_popescu: then they can donate the btc to you lmao
copypaste: lol
cazalla: mircea_popescu, how many article you want, tbh a lot of your content would be appealing to some of /pol/
mircea_popescu: cazalla i didn't think that far ahead ;/
copypaste: You laugh but we've gotten like 30 BTC from donations. Enough to buy a pass to trade on mpex.co! ;)
mircea_popescu: dunno, till you get bored.
mircea_popescu: win.
mircea_popescu: Total Received34.99134406 BTC << yep, confirmed.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> https://media.8ch.net/cuteboys/src/1430738295625.jpg << that is his rifle, that is his gun. << Nice SKS
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGAwgf )
mircea_popescu: nice cock, too. guy's doing okay.
mircea_popescu: copypaste do you have a bdsm/slavegirls board too ?
BingoBoingo: Well, as long as he can step away from the webs for a while
copypaste: Yes. 8ch.net/bdsm
mircea_popescu: ;;ud tfw
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TFW | That Feel When Followed by some feel you should be able to relate to. TFW you smoke the day's first cigarette. by feelsrapeman October 30, 2011. 2138 307.
copypaste: Since unlike 4chan users create the boards
copypaste: We get tons of interesting ones.
mircea_popescu: "If you donated to the Infinity Dev. Group over Flattr, it seems that they have turned into a scam and you should charge these conmen back immediately by contacting your financial institution. (I realize this includes my support key. I don't give a shit, flood their insecure bullshit report ticket in my name. I see no other way to prove it.) Reports are that they lost their PayPal account recently, and Flattr CEO and o
mircea_popescu: nly employee @bonq is ignoring all communication from me via their ticket system and Twitter. The icing on the cake is that they blocked me and three others for asking where the fuck 46.74 EUR went."
mircea_popescu: bwahaha
mircea_popescu: wtf is flattr anyway
copypaste: Shitty Swedish corporation. They take 10% anyway.
copypaste: Service is abysmal. They're probably going under soon.
cazalla: similar shit to dwolla i think
copypaste: After Gratipay fucked with me I put them out of business, or close to it.
copypaste: I don't care enough to do the same to Flattr though.
copypaste: You can read my Twitter TL for how. One call to FinCEN and the CEO went full GLBSE
copypaste: "oh no, i need to do AML! the state is coming!"
copypaste: he then locked evreyone's balances
copypaste: And is only withdrawing if you prove your ID to him.
BingoBoingo: !b 5
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2SS7ZH4.txt )
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: ahh the glbse was such lolz.
copypaste: I know. I've read a lot of your blog the past week. I wasn't around for that but that chat log, man. I could feel it.
BingoBoingo: Fucking Labcoin might have been close to peak lulz.
copypaste: "You have a welfare check" as proof of ID.
copypaste: Gets me every time.
mircea_popescu: welfare check is pretty good proof of id really
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, Tyrone takes it and cashes it at the Persian liquor store
mircea_popescu recalls how happy egyptians were to drink his shitty scotch
cazalla: ah shit look at that, trilema has an article on drugstore cowboy
mircea_popescu: doh.
mircea_popescu: https://media.8ch.net/cuteboys/src/1431453809153.png << check it out, vidya goons have sex
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ix7PFn )
mircea_popescu: https://media.8ch.net/bdsm/src/1430124615779-1.jpg < nb.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGBE3x )
cazalla: well, here are some http://dpaste.com/1F4XHT2.txt select some just for the quotes (such as the last) a pol loves em some quotes like that
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGBVUj )
mircea_popescu: thanks!
cazalla: fucking engrish.. can always tell i've had a day or 2 of heavy drinking when i type like that
mircea_popescu: get some trilema srsly.
cazalla: but anything on topic of feminism, socialism, money, jews, hitler, conservative values (vamp and marriage one would be a bit of an eye opener for some of em) would do well with the pol crowd
BingoBoingo: ;;google trilema back to the basement
cazalla: actually was vamp and gays, right? marriage was another article from memory to show it's a bit of bullshit this conservative idea and all
gribble: O hai let me wanna-be! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/o-hai-let-me-wanna-be.php?id=simonrton.blog.com>; OCD: Moosh & Twist - Back To The Basement Mixtape - Stream ...: <http://www.datpiff.com/OCD-Moosh-Twist-Back-To-The-Basement-mixtape.454057.html>; Back to the Basement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)
copypaste: r/buttcoin will probably flip. I've noticed that the same trolls on r/GamerGhazi are on r/buttcoin.
copypaste: The crossover is real.
BingoBoingo: copypaste: SJW/Socialist crossover is always real
mircea_popescu: except buttcoin is like the only readable reddit thing.
BingoBoingo: Thing is around these here parts we prefer /r/rbuttcoin to /r/bitcoin by miles
copypaste: haha
mircea_popescu: yeah. sukas just make better idiocy than random twerps.
BingoBoingo: Last spring I survived a testicular torsion with both testicles intact. It was far less painful than any consecutive set of reading by ANdreas Herpaderpalous
mircea_popescu: (a suka, of course, is one of the criminals that took stalin's deal and went into the army)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo he's still twerpin' dat ass ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76900 @ 0.00024818 = 19.085 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He has his own startup nao and every press release I get that feeling like I need to run to the hospital and get an ultrasound on my scrotum again (to bee fair it feels good man https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Feels_good_man)
assbot: Feels good man) - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGCI7q )
mircea_popescu: i hadn't seen anything from him in a while, assumed i musta killed him or something.
mircea_popescu: mebbe intel just didn't figure he matters enough to mention anymoar.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He runs a startup nao called "Third Key Solutions" that serves other startups who wish to take on all the counterparty risk
mircea_popescu: aaaaite...
mircea_popescu: what happeend to his hot o'reilly deal to become the blockchain technology's steve jobbs ?
BingoBoingo: It happened. He has his book
mircea_popescu: got dropped like a hot potato or something ?
mircea_popescu: heh.
BingoBoingo: It apparently is still a book... just...
BingoBoingo: I mean he signed with O'Reilly, not the huns
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79450 @ 0.00025576 = 20.3201 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: copypaste, play agar.io much?
copypaste: too much.
copypaste: i love it
mircea_popescu: whassat ?
cazalla: yeah same, i pitched it to these goys here but no interest
copypaste: i like you cazalla. I'm amazed anyone here ven knew who I was
copypaste: I just wanted to be someone in Bitcoin and took Mircea's advice :p
BingoBoingo: copypaste: I had no idea you were you until dat key
cazalla: you're like the new moot, the luke skywalker of chans who hopefully won't join the dark side like darth moot and get cucked same time
copypaste: moot is a pussy. can't believe he quit
copypaste: how low can you go really
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: i thought i had a speshul place in cazalla's heart!
cazalla: of course you do but i spent most of my time on 4chan prior to finding this place so ya know
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: copypaste: You know... in your next Conde Naste interview you have to mention this place as the center of Bitcoin and blacklist them when they leave that part out.
mircea_popescu: by the way, 2011 article re the fiat world wot. http://trilema.com/2011/cine-conduce-lumea/
assbot: Cine conduce lumea ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1cRzkfU )
copypaste: BingoBoingo: I'll do my best. Journalists are notorious for ignoring half of what I say.
copypaste: I gave Ars very strict rules for interviewing me.
copypaste: That's why it went well.
copypaste: Gawker also contacted me. I sent them the same rules and never heard back. lmao
mircea_popescu: i usually just tell them to show up here.
BingoBoingo: copypaste: Thing is as you build power your rules will only get stricter
mircea_popescu: i don't believe in talking privately to people i don't personally know.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And is that not a rule?
mircea_popescu: so it is.
BingoBoingo: Anyways 11 year plan is going well, arranged a sparring partner for tomorrow.
cazalla: for reals?
mircea_popescu: "To our son, his excellency, Mr Barack Hussein Obama. I have said to you before, that even if Libya and the United States of America enter into a war, god forbid, you will always remain a son. Your picture will not be changed."
cazalla: i use to box ya know, and kick box
mircea_popescu: ahh ghadafi was such a master of the lulz.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Yeah, Iron pole in the backyard that at one point in history held the clothesline
mircea_popescu: you gonna spar with a pole ?!
cazalla: copypaste, this voz clan teaming up bullshit has me raging against agario tbh
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: 11 year plan. 29 now figure 40 I'll be ready to risk death in a ring
BingoBoingo: Gotta learn to jab.
mircea_popescu: just hang a bag like normal people. poles don't work
BingoBoingo: Gotta preak the metacarpals a bit to get them to heal stronger. Pole seems like an ideal target. As long as I don't break any bones all the way.
mircea_popescu: no dude. get a bag, srsly.
BingoBoingo: Alright.
copypaste: cazalla: yeah HKG is bullshit too.
copypaste: It sucks even more that we have terrible lag to all the good servers.
copypaste: The new teams mode makes it sort of bearable amusingly. Because you can't pick your team, Voz has no power.
copypaste: The Asia servers still suck ass though.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, 12 months and you're set
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111156 @ 0.0002631 = 29.2451 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Nah, I drink and smoke. A decade sounds reasonable.
cazalla: copypaste, oceanic servers are generally ok from australia, i'd say lag is around 100-150ms
cazalla: and the new team mode is useless as people don't want to team up to face other teams, they're all asian and want to gang up on 1 person
cazalla: BingoBoingo, as much as i hate ciggs, the drinking is prob worse
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82146 @ 0.00026428 = 21.7095 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Only one way to find out.
cazalla: i'd stop drinking but then i'd need another vice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110800 @ 0.00026443 = 29.2988 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Who honestly couldn't use another vice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00026443 = 12.3753 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74837 @ 0.00026443 = 19.7891 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38548 @ 0.00026428 = 10.1875 BTC [-]
cazalla: copypaste, will your condition affect your longevity?
copypaste: unknown. some say yes, some say no.
copypaste: i know of a lot of old people with the same condition from a Faecesbook group
cazalla: do ya have any general pain or just when you break something?
copypaste: i actually originally got into bitcoin when i heard you could buy pain pills with it. never got any pills, only ended up with lousy Bitcoins ;)
cazalla: tbh i only lurk 8ch besides the occasional shit post so if you've answered AMA type shit before, i'll go have a google
jurov: holy log
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154600 @ 0.00024569 = 37.9837 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.00024684 = 13.4034 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82426 @ 0.00024684 = 20.346 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 287450 @ 0.00025348 = 72.8628 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 204373 @ 0.00025841 = 52.812 BTC [+]
cazalla: copypaste, hope that wasn't you i just ate in agario :P 8ch
copypaste: nop
copypaste: Was fixing a weird unicode bug https://8ch.net/operate/res/17116.html#17448
assbot: /operate/ - ด็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็๠... ( http://bit.ly/1bODDHi )
fluffypony: [09:31:28] <+cazalla>i'd stop drinking but then i'd need another vice <- like Miami?
fluffypony makes joke
copypaste: fluffypony: Make Monero PoS pls
fluffypony: not a fucking chance in hell
copypaste: lmao
copypaste: I have 600XMR. Only altcoin I've ever bought
fluffypony: <3
copypaste: Don't have much faith in it but it's the only one that's even remotely promising
fluffypony: it's a fun experiment
fluffypony: not sure it'll ever be much in the way of buy-and-hold-investment-worthy, but it's fun nonetheless
copypaste: indeed
copypaste: i wonder if anyone would even buy a PoS cryptonote coin
fluffypony: the dude from BBR was trying to make one
fluffypony: luis or somethign
copypaste: PoS looks too much like "piece of shit" for my tastes
copypaste: Terrible name.
fluffypony: lol I know
fluffypony: plus it's fundamentally broken, no matter how they try manage the initial distribution
copypaste: Wealth always goes to the top in any system
copypaste: Any system
copypaste: They're fighting against nature.
fluffypony: yup
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157900 @ 0.00024599 = 38.8418 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00025461 = 7.8674 BTC [+] {2}
wywialm: good morning everyon
wywialm: everyone*
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149246 @ 0.00025056 = 37.3951 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89200 @ 0.000251 = 22.3892 BTC [+]
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cazalla: copypaste, have you written about moving and living in the phillipines?
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mats: http://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-133.html
assbot: XSA-133 - Xen Security Advisories ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxCJO2 )
cazalla: http://bitcoinist.net/million-dollar-bitcoin-domain-name-btc-com-launches-bitcoin-digital-currency-industry-portal/ you'd think some people would learn their lesson having dealth with garza in the past but no
assbot: Million Dollar Bitcoin Domain Name BTC.com Launches Bitcoin And Digital Currency Industry Portal - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxCZN8 )
cazalla: nice team eh http://btc.com/about-/
assbot: About - BTC.comBTC.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxD0Rb )
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asciilifeform: mats: the interesting part is that floppy controller in qemu and derived proggies is enabled -even if you don't use floppy option.-
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asciilifeform: mats: from the 'hackernews' thread, 'Why indeed. In fact we tried to remove the FDC, but Windows needs it in order to do certain operations like installing some drivers, so there was resistance there.'
asciilifeform: ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9538437 )
assbot: VENOM – A security vulnerability in virtual floppy drive code | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1L20rjr )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130511 << i concur. fluffsy is STILL stubbornly not showing it off here, so i figure i'll give it moar time
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 08:56:30; copypaste: Don't have much faith in it but it's the only one that's even remotely promising
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc, "flopyy" ness is an arbitrary bit. you can set bios to think usb as floppies if you wish.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: code in question concerned an emulated traditional floppy controller (the kind you gave sectors, tracks, etc)
copypaste: 09:12:42 +cazalla nice team eh http://btc.com/about-/
assbot: About - BTC.comBTC.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxD0Rb )
copypaste: they can't even use their CMS properly.
copypaste: "about-"
copypaste: What's with the -?
asciilifeform: intel 82072A etc.
copypaste: I'm supposed to trust these twerps with anything?
asciilifeform: http://wiki.osdev.org/Floppy_Disk_Controller << him
assbot: Floppy Disk Controller - OSDev Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1L20ICY )
copypaste: Man. What a waste
copypaste: You get this greaet domain, btc.com
copypaste: And then you put your about page as "about-"
mircea_popescu: lol who the fuck are these derps ?
mircea_popescu: copypaste http://btc.com/about/ < it loads normally too.
assbot: About - BTC.comBTC.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1L20Ken )
copypaste: Ah, okay.
mircea_popescu: lol so garza bought btc.com and is now leasing it to random derps ? mkay.
copypaste: Looks like it
copypaste: This is basically a domain squatter landing page except with a little more effort
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
copypaste: http://btc.com/what-is-bitcoin-2/
assbot: What is Bitcoin? - BTC.comBTC.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1L210df )
mircea_popescu: lol
copypaste: > what-is-bitcoin-2 > -2
copypaste: I can't handle tihs.
mircea_popescu: a little more effort, a lot more lulz.
mircea_popescu: garza delivers yet again
asciilifeform: plenty of wank in the thread re: 'amazon' et al. having been told of the hole long before public
mircea_popescu: copypaste the -2 is there because BTC.comBTC.com
copypaste: He puts "What is bitcion?" and "What is blockchain?" separately, as if they're different
asciilifeform: and 'For many of the affected virtualization products, a virtual floppy drive is added to new virtual machines by default. And on Xen and QEMU, even if the administrator explicitly disables the virtual floppy drive, an unrelated bug causes the vulnerable FDC code to remain active and exploitable by attackers.'
mircea_popescu: bitcion ? srsly ?
asciilifeform: 'bug' ahahaha.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aws can definitely not be part of our canonical stuff huh.
asciilifeform: not aws-specific
mircea_popescu: i kinda use aws as i use xerorx
asciilifeform: virtually -all- 'cloud' bullshit affected.
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: and there is a bottomless mine of cruft where this came from
asciilifeform: the 'unrelated bug causes vulnerable code to remain active' thing very much smacks of 'he fell onto the knife ten times'
asciilifeform: 'shot himself in the head twice'
mircea_popescu: no dude it's unrelated.
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: BECAUSE THEY SAI IT IS!
mircea_popescu: cazalla: you'd think some people would learn their lesson having dealth with garza in the past but no << understand the rotinculo syndrome. they DO understand, but what exact alternatives they got ? it's either this or go home. they dun wanna go home, apparently there's a famine in hungary.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/qBJHX << obligatory
assbot: Virtualization Security | KernelTrap ... ( http://bit.ly/1L21rUN )
copypaste: The forum is already full of anti-Garza threads http://talk.btc.com/t/where-is-garza/68
assbot: Where is Garza? - Talk.Btc.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1L21rUW )
asciilifeform: ^ theo de raadt
mircea_popescu: "virtualization seems to have a lot of security benefits." aha.
asciilifeform: grep for 'You've been smoking something really mind altering'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the thing is, theo gets it, but is so well fettered with "well meaning" yet "unrelated" idiots he can barely move.
mircea_popescu: keeping the ants at bay is any serious beetle's full time job.
asciilifeform: i'm not certain why he is in an anthill to begin with
mircea_popescu: anthill comes to you.
asciilifeform: 'fits in head' and 'developers count on fingers on one hand' are good thermonukes against this
mircea_popescu: by far the most notable point of utility of the wot to brilliant individuals is exactly this : breaks the traditional methods of anthill building.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: but you will notice much greater men succumbed to this. it's really how empires end.
asciilifeform: al schwartz taught it to me as 'the a-students hire the b-students who hire the f-students'
mircea_popescu: anyway, a good rule of thumb is, when the anon derps start talking about "security benefits", you know what it is.
asciilifeform: (in american schools, marks range in - descending - from 'a' to 'f')
mircea_popescu: "obfuscation layer for our lord's holes"
asciilifeform: usually just blind cargocultism.
asciilifeform: anal holes, to these folks, happen purely by chance, misfortune. even contemplating the alternative is unbearable cognitive dissonance to them.
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mircea_popescu: individual ants act in a blind fashion, but the ant layer acts systematically.
mircea_popescu: there's no requisite for a dram cell to know what it is holding in order for it to be holding it.
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mircea_popescu: he also has the social skills of a rabid dog.
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mircea_popescu: ahahaha asciilifeform you read the comments ?
mircea_popescu: "Anonymous (not verified) OpenBSD still exists? Too bad. The world would be better without security fanboys in general. There is more to the world than security."
mircea_popescu: "In my opinion, the main reason why Windows is still faster on the desktop is that most of their current GUI framework was built back in the days of Windows 95, and the framework is so fragile that it has stopped them from adding too many new features to bloat it further. Back in 1995, Microsoft was way more performance-conscious than the open source world in 2007, simply because the hardware was orders of magnitude sl
mircea_popescu: ower."
mircea_popescu: not a bad point by any means.
Naphex: For many of the affected virtualization products, a virtual floppy drive is added to new virtual machines by default. And on Xen and QEMU, even if the administrator explicitly disables the virtual floppy drive, an unrelated bug causes the vulnerable FDC code to remain active and exploitable by attackers.
Naphex: sorry, forgot the quotes
Naphex: lmao :))
mircea_popescu: yeah it's pretty good kek.
Naphex: floppy drives no longer usefull? turn em into backdoors
Naphex: doh!
mircea_popescu: it's very sound, strategically. "who would bother to check"
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mircea_popescu: o.O
asciilifeform: 'who would bother to check' is sop.
mats: asciilifeform: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/alecw/eurosys-2012.pdf
asciilifeform: mats: ick
asciilifeform: 'Delusional boot provides a full set of devices with complete functionality to the OS only during the boot process. Later on, it disables the non-critical devices and it replaces the critical ones with a set of barebones virtual devices that only offer common case functionality.'
asciilifeform: microshit 'research,' what do you expect.
funkenstein_ dreams of running qubes on openbsd dom0
asciilifeform: because no one wants to edit ntldr.exe aha.
asciilifeform: why should anyone outside of idiot microshit take an interest in this
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mats: heh
asciilifeform: http://oglaf.com/delusionist << obligatory
assbot: Delusionist ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEulVN )
danielpbarron: !up prince_nbingo
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prince_nbingo: Dear Sir, can you please tell me where to acquire the bitcoin asses? I have a business proposal for you. I will present you as the beneficiary, and i will prepare all the legal documents and present to the bank on your behalf and the bank will then release and transfer the funds to your designated account. Please to be telling about where are the bitcoin asses, I need bitcoin asses.
asciilifeform: l0l
danielpbarron: prince_nbingo, someone with your ip has joined #bitcoin and #bitcoin-dev with the nicknames Skaag and chax. Is that you?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dargot.livejournal.com/282666.html#comments << massive mega-l0l re: pheminisms etc. with commentary
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy.
asciilifeform: exquisitely lulzy. i'd translate if had time.
mircea_popescu: !up Flerb_
asciilifeform: (is dignork still around? perhaps he'd do the deed)
mircea_popescu: im kinda curious to see what ru/cn feminism wil llook like once that happens.
asciilifeform: it looks precisely like the imported feedstock. just, no mass uptake
asciilifeform: because not enough radiation damage yet, or somesuch
mircea_popescu: i mean once they make their own.
mircea_popescu: if/when they get rich and successful, they'll have stupid kids.
Flerb_: Are most stock exchanges using bitcoin regulated properly?
mircea_popescu: those stupid kids will rehash the same old stupid, in their own terms, of course.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presently, the stupid rich kids do tour of duty in the west
mircea_popescu: Flerb_ http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/
assbot: You're gonna have to learn that variety speak on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEAhhi )
asciilifeform: and walk through the traditional western idiocies, and attempt to import
mircea_popescu: no actual elite kids i met did that.
mircea_popescu: the aspies do it, of course, but they don't matter from what i've seen.
mircea_popescu: aspie [ short for aspirational ] would roughly be what they called "burgeois intellectuals" a century ago.
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Flerb_: Whatever happened to ASICminer, they were around when I last looked at bitcoin stuff.
funkenstein_: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-aide-harris-accused-rogue-police-force-20150505-story.html <-- seems to be making the rounds in the disinfo sphere
assbot: Bizarre fake police force included Kamala Harris aide, prosecutors say - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEB8ig )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what is the 'actual elite' in question ?
asciilifeform: romanov nephews ?
asciilifeform: stalin's grand-daughter ?
asciilifeform: everybody else - 'aspirational' no ?
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: every KGB officer has kids, right ?
asciilifeform: aha and most of'em are schmucks like anybody else
mircea_popescu: maybe it's a pov artifact.
asciilifeform: ?
mircea_popescu: the only ru kids i know that actually go for the entire western fucktardation are kids who got overeducated by mistake, but definitely have no chance in hell of ever sitting at the table.
mircea_popescu: so it's kind-of natural and meaningless that they'd go for it.
mircea_popescu: then again, i don't know that many ru kids, and so... might just be my narrow viewpoint
asciilifeform: the thing is, usg had roughly same relation with ru elite as brits had with india
mircea_popescu: possibru
asciilifeform: in that 'cream' of kids would go to oxbridge, harvaprinceyaleton, etc
asciilifeform: mandatorily
asciilifeform: (hostage and cultural zombiefodder)
mircea_popescu: they mostly go to fuck the stupid anglo bitches, from what i can tell.
mircea_popescu: much like the arabs.
asciilifeform: from their pov - aha
asciilifeform: but western sahib says 'want imf credit? be gentleman - and gentlemen send sons to oxbridge'
asciilifeform: so rajah - sends son.
mircea_popescu: except russia doesn't want imf credit, for one ; and the gentleman can have a lot of sons.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this entire "send kids to oxbridge" meme is very novel, and it comes off the same trunk that made the "buy uk football teams".
asciilifeform: today, less of this, yes
asciilifeform: this was mainly a '90s thing
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: when the sahib-rajah-coolie relationship was going strong
mircea_popescu: no, not exactly. when the exploratory boom was at its peak.
mircea_popescu: the way people explored new bushes 50k years ago was sent children to eat them, see if they die.
mircea_popescu: the way people explore new bushes today is, send kids over, see what happens.
mircea_popescu: thisis why people even have kids in the first place.
asciilifeform: unrelated >> http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17341&hilit=3do+blaster&start=1580 << 'sommeliers'
assbot: VOGONS • View topic - Bought these (retro) hardware today ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEDKwC )
asciilifeform: (from mircea_popescu's link the other day)
asciilifeform: e.g., that 'works' microcomputer thing looks considerably more usable than any modern 'tablet' gizmo.
asciilifeform: betcha those keys are nearly adult size
asciilifeform: 'While x86 hardware has the same page-protection hardware that an IBM 390 architecture machine has, modern PC machines are a mess. They are architecturally so dirty, that parts of the video, keyboard, and other IO devices are interfaced with even to do simple things like context switching processes and handling interrupts. Those of us who have experience with the gory bits of the x86 architecture can clearly say that we know
asciilifeform: what would be involved in virtualizing it, and if it was so simple, we would not still be fixing bugs in the exact same area in our operating system going on 12 years.'
asciilifeform: (theo de raadt, of course)
mircea_popescu: ah, the great days from before osama had sunk the us. back when ibm was actually making business machines.
asciilifeform: even the laptops were spiffy
mircea_popescu: os/390, then z/ system. which was... 15 years ago.
mircea_popescu recalls the 31/32 bit thing could actually address an infinity of memory, in 2gb slicesa
asciilifeform: ^ boxes where you could pull out just about -any- component and replace, without stopping or so much as pausing, work
mircea_popescu: and that was what, 1992 ?
mircea_popescu: ayup.
asciilifeform: high-end versions, iirc, had tandem-voting circuit
asciilifeform recommends 'inside the as/400' (frank soltis) re: ibm design 'philosophy' in practice
asciilifeform: fun little b00k
asciilifeform: http://www.9999hp.net/botnet << unrelated
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEIDFZ )
mircea_popescu: "Like so many, I planned to do many things with this. But I never had the time. Now I don't have the ideas, either."
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: 'when the output actually mattered: the bygone era of dependable computing' (book does not exist, aborted project of mine)
asciilifeform: http://www.corestore.org/w.htm << further 'sommelier' pr0n
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEJIgJ )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^
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trinque: http://www.corestore.org/FairlightCMI-5.JPG << what are the removable cards?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEK1rS )
trinque: blades?
trinque: or is that one machine
asciilifeform: of course 1 machine
asciilifeform: likely, memory (or even cpu subcomponents)
trinque: ah
trinque: I was wondering if I'd run across yet another thing that'd been done far earlier than I thought.
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trinque: asciilifeform: what do you think of a future cardano having two USB storage devices instead of one?
trinque: I was thinking you could connect two systems this way and still consider them gapped
asciilifeform: wat
asciilifeform: why?!
trinque: gpg encrypted file goes into one of the storage devices, gets decrypted and written to the other device
trinque: because then I could control something connected to a computer remotely, and be sure that the machine controlling it was only accepting data from me
trinque: or so the idiot claims
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That indigo is a good looking machine
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> anyway, this entire "send kids to oxbridge" meme is very novel, and it comes off the same trunk that made the "buy uk football teams". << i've always planned to hire tutors.
asciilifeform: trinque: air-gapped means just that
asciilifeform: sneakernet.
asciilifeform: anything else - call it something else
trinque: granted
asciilifeform: it means that you actually look at each parcel that moves.
trinque: probably can't do that with your remote controlled blimp's controls
asciilifeform: however, a communication device which only carries signed payloads, would potentially be useful.
asciilifeform: (well, -receives- signed payloads from signatures in known set)
asciilifeform: reduces, in the end, to 'gossipd'
trinque: ah yeah, you're right
trinque: secure messaging solves the thing
trinque: well
trinque: reduces to a gossipd device maybe
trinque: the aspect of the membrane being implemented in hardware is appealing
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thestringpuller: in this room full of nerds, interesting comics are rarely discussed
lobbes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130301 << wai wat? wow, first taxes on deposits and now this? I'm learning new sad facts about Australia everyday
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 06:18:53; cazalla: well australian government says women can't squirt, doesn't exist and is in fact pissing and urination porn is forbidden
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mircea_popescu: tbh, most of the "squirting" porn is actually urination.
mircea_popescu: not that women can't do it, but it's an intensive thing and the atmosphere on a porn set is not exactly conducive.
mircea_popescu: lol jgarzik has a point. the difference between krugman and kaminska is slight at best. i'm not even sure what exactly it would be, specifically.
mircea_popescu: !rated gavinandresen
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mircea_popescu: !rate gavinandresen -10 Perennial Bitcoin lolcow and ex USG asset.
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trinque: http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/12/obama-dismisses-wealthy-americans-as-societys-lottery-winners-video/
assbot: Obama Dismisses The Wealthy As 'Society's Lottery Winners' | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBGujX )
lobbes: 'There’s a fairness issue involved here.' << there's that 'fair' trope again
lobbes: whatever happened to 'life isn't fair'?
chetty: fair is the one word I might agree should be banned
trinque: the practical meaning these days is "we're going to beat more handouts out of the wealthy"
trinque: world's upside down
trinque: no need to ban the word though; bitcoin will reduce it to ridicule
trinque: "fair" may be one of the most narcissistic concepts in American "thinking"
trinque: that no matter the game, there is always an authority with the power to render it fair
trinque: whether this is life and death or the cost of your tank of gas
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trinque: it's easy to see that a culture which even considers "fair" a thing runs the risk of totalitarianism
trinque: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden << "The Saudis feared if we knew we would pressure the Pakistanis to let bin Laden start talking to us about what the Saudis had been doing with al-Qaida. And they were dropping money – lots of it."
assbot: Seymour M. Hersh · The Killing of Osama bin Laden · LRB 21 May 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1K6Ia76 )
trinque: "Both services often find it useful to engage in public feuds ‘to cover their asses’, as the retired official put it, but they continually share intelligence used for drone attacks, and co-operate on covert operations."
jurov: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britain-is-too-tolerant-and-should-interfere-more-in-peoples-lives-says-david-cameron-10246517.html
assbot: Britain is too tolerant and should interfere more in people's lives, says David Cameron - UK Politics - UK - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1PH5OFv )
jurov: “For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone',”
jurov: to cry, or to laugh?
trinque: The package of powers, first proposed in March, would allow courts to force a person to send their tweets and Facebook posts to the police for approval.
trinque: ahhahahaha
trinque: jurov: I'm going with laugh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200144 @ 0.00025692 = 51.421 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: they're children; even their totalitarian day-dreams amount to "uh uh you can't tweet mean things about us!"
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/13/us-usa-gulf-idUSKBN0NY28U20150513 << seems the equalitarian president can't acknowledge what an insult it is for the king to send his inferiors to meet him
assbot: Obama meets two Saudi princes after King sent regrets | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1PH6Hy1 )
trinque: "The president called Saudi Arabia a critical partner in the fight against Islamic State militants." << yes, I suppose making sure ISIS exists is critical to the fight against ISIS.
trinque: t4nk: you're polluting the channel with joins and quits; kindly cut it out.
Naphex: trinque: man you deserve op status, maybe you can kick one or two :))
Naphex: that kindly asking for stuff is so weka
Naphex: weak even
trinque: eh I don't know about "deserve"
trinque: could probably be solved with some assbottery
kakobrekla: myea
kakobrekla doesn't actually see parts and joins though
trinque turns those off
kakobrekla: its a blessing.
trinque: much better
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46827 @ 0.00025449 = 11.917 BTC [-]
jurov: imo this is UI issue, irc clients should be able to maybe fold/unfold this, or filter repeated lines
jurov: kicking people should be absolutely last resort
jurov: poor Vexual now sitting every day outside before the gate, if someone drops a word or a bone
kakobrekla: you want him back?
kakobrekla: !unrate vexual
assbot: vexual is not registered in WoT.
jurov: but he's permabanned, too?
kakobrekla: eh?
jurov: he can be !upped normally?
kakobrekla: i don't see a reason why not.
jurov: aha
jurov: then maybe he prefers interviewing folks individually
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56323 @ 0.00025449 = 14.3336 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: https://plus.google.com/+MarcBevand/posts/9waJsLiMXfZ
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBV5vF )
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha.
asciilifeform: what mircea_popescu said ~1.5 yrs ago.
asciilifeform: (usg miners)
asciilifeform: http://www.coindesk.com/california-business-raided-over-alleged-altcoin-gambling << unrelated l0l
assbot: Southern California Business Raided Over Alleged Altcoin Gambling ... ( http://bit.ly/1cxQLS2 )
asciilifeform: re: l0ltr0n1cs: today i found out that ed felten (formerly 'freedom to tinker' blog, lawsuits against riaa, etc.) has been a usg stooge for several years now.
asciilifeform: and just accepted yet a new job from obamitler himself
asciilifeform: and that 'freedom to tinker' now hosts things like https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/randomwalker/bitcoin-faces-a-crossroads-needs-an-effective-decision-making-process
assbot: Bitcoin faces a crossroads, needs an effective decision-making process ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBWF0O )
asciilifeform: written by random bozos
asciilifeform: sic transit gloria mundi (tm)
asciilifeform: http://venturebeat.com/2015/05/11/white-house-appoints-nsa-criticizing-computer-scientist-ed-felten-to-key-post << reported in some rag
assbot: White House appoints NSA-criticizing computer scientist Ed Felten to key post | VentureBeat | Security | by Dylan Tweney ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBWNNP )
asciilifeform: spun, of course, as a 'concession to critics' - naturally
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15845 @ 0.00026802 = 4.2468 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: 'As deputy, Felten will report to former Google exec Megan Smith, the recently named White House CTO.'
asciilifeform: ^ for extra lulz
trinque: that's forward thinking of the white house!
trinque: female cto, how bout that
asciilifeform: l0lward
trinque: later they'll say they "embraced the debate" by hiring him
asciilifeform: this fella used to be the 'genuine article'
trinque: (tightly enough to choke it out)
asciilifeform: was a genuine annoyance to usg, in the courts, press, net
asciilifeform: what kind of pill was used - i do not know.
asciilifeform: now his old www is full of gavincoin shilling etc.
asciilifeform: and articles like this, https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/jbonneau/be-wary-of-one-time-pads-and-other-crypto-unicorns which is a kind of 'mouse poison' in the sense that it combines perfectly valid observation 'don't use random bozo's java crypto turd' with 'one time pads cannot work'
assbot: Be wary of one-time pads and other crypto unicorns ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBXx5m )
asciilifeform: tasty bait, a little bit of poison - perfect recipe, every exterminator knows
jurov: well, it's more common than you think. had i myself not been here, i'd be easily swayed for an "opportunity to change things"
asciilifeform: jurov: sure
asciilifeform: jurov: and money (yes, the rotten greenback fiat kind) works wonders.
asciilifeform once starved long enough that he applied to work at old classic nsa
danielpbarron: !up maxwell__
asciilifeform: re: '21' etc >> 'The cornerstone of the strategy as presented would have been the release of consumer products that would turn power from wall sockets into bitcoin through the widespread dissemination of bitcoin mining chips.' << -somebody- clearly reads the 2013 #b-a logs.
asciilifeform: 'Also included in the overview is an email exchange allegedly taking place between Comcast West Coast strategic development managing director Francisco Varela and 21 CEO Matt Pauker in which the cable giant exec evaluates how its customers could benefit from participating in 21’s bitcoin mining operations.' << aha, cable boxes.
jurov: they would have hard time to rationalize the money if it was not connected to some do-gooding, moving and shaking
asciilifeform: 'According to the overview, the BitSplit chip's key innovation was intended to be a hardcoded bitcoin wallet address that would give the user 25% of mining proceeds, with the remaining 75% going to 21. Each device would be built with target applications in mind that would then allow consumers to, in theory, spend any bitcoin earned for online content or digital services.'
asciilifeform: jurov: that's for folks with choices. at the time i would've taken a job filleting the last remaining pandas with knives made from baby bones
asciilifeform: 'By the time its chips were to be embedded into Internet of Things (IoT) devices, 21 projected its cost to produce 1 BTC could be as low as $7.45.' << somebody does not grasp difficulty factor ?
jurov: ah, i forget in murica it's impossible to have own roof in few years
trinque: lol, the houses around here are half a million or more
trinque: give up
trinque: at least for strong definitions of "own roof"
maxwell__: danielpbarron: hi
maxwell__: sup
asciilifeform: 'In the example, one user is able to use his BTC to skip 15 minutes of commercials on online video service Hulu.' << this is just too many lulz
asciilifeform: essentially, they wanted to pocket 100% of the miner output while throwing occasional bones to the idiot chumpers
asciilifeform: it'll work, too
trinque: so being a part of the NSA botnet goes from top secret to productized
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29429 @ 0.00026829 = 7.8955 BTC [+]
trinque: brilliant
asciilifeform: trinque: they read the 2013 #b-a log and accepted mircea_popescu's assertion that they will have problems keeping mining secret
asciilifeform: but took everything else and ran with it
danielpbarron: i posted a comment to that freedom to tinker thing a couple days ago; it didn't get approved
danielpbarron: maxwell, you are mxtm, yes?
asciilifeform: incidentally, this is an ancient idea: http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/broadcast_20cryptanalysis
assbot: Halfbakery: broadcast cryptanalysis ... ( http://bit.ly/1cxVlQ1 )
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130913 << i wouldn't particularly count on it.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:47:09; asciilifeform: it'll work, too
asciilifeform: long pre-dates bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: it's like the smartwatch idea.
trinque: asciilifeform: I'd expect some broken off appendage of the NSA to accumulate a sizable stash of coin even if the rest of the USG falls apart
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: why not? classic, grade-a chumpatron. the actual costs (mains power) are 100% externalized to the chumps.
asciilifeform: it is precisely the kind of scam which has endurance.
pete_dushenski: because a few 'early adopters' will jump on board, burn their houses down, and the thing'll fizzle out
pete_dushenski: having 10 appliances running full-steam 24-7 will cost $1000/mo in electricity
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: burn their houses down how? these won't be packaged as traditional miners, recall. it'll be in cable boxes, etc. that folks get 1 or 2 of
trinque: so you just end up with a cryptoturd chip built into the intel processors, and you can't get other processors
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43900 @ 0.00026976 = 11.8425 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: and ^
pete_dushenski: i doubt even 25% of mining profits will cover the electricity costs.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the beauty is that no one will ask the chump if he wants to cover the costs
asciilifeform: it'll be in his cable box, tv, etc. whether he likes, or not
trinque: what consumer asks whats in his wifi router?
trinque: yeah
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: burn down from having flammables near cable boxes, toasters, etc ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: no more than today
trinque: and if you really need to ram it through, attach it to some "cybersecurity" bill
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it'll be in his cable box, and if he doesn't like it, he will have to quit tv
trinque: state-sanctioned crypto chip that happens to be able to mine
asciilifeform: see the 'halfbakery' link, quite the same idea.
asciilifeform: circa 2000
pete_dushenski: by the time they roll these out and get them into any appreciable number of homes, it'll look like trying to fight the nazis by arming every american with slingshots
pete_dushenski: "but if we have ENOUGH slingshots and they're government mandated"
trinque: eh I don't know about that
trinque: I'd like to think it, of course.
pete_dushenski: "and if no one has a choice"
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the only actual problem they will have is fighting over the coin itself.
pete_dushenski: trinque: then think it :D
asciilifeform: every other cost of the plan is externalized to captive idiots
asciilifeform: for non-u.s. folks - if you subscribe to cable tv, you get the mandatory box. no choice about it.
asciilifeform: ditto local net pipe monopolies/duopolies
pete_dushenski: ok, so mebbe it doesn't burn houses down, and mebbe everyone has a half dozen of these chips wedged into their various appliances...
asciilifeform: the added cost, of the hardware, is negligible
pete_dushenski: i just don't seeing it mattering!
jurov: afaik it's so everywhere, nobody does streaming available for own hardware, i have asked
pete_dushenski: these things will hash like 500 mh/s
trinque: one must beware declaring victory early
jurov: "content protection" (from customer, i guess)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: depends on what you think of as 'matters'
asciilifeform: e.g., does it matter if usg becomes largest hash force ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: mattering to hashrate, mattering to bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: sure, but this is hardly the way to go about it. even if it's all they've got left.
asciilifeform: after this, the natural thing to do from hitler's point of view is - to go after conventional miners
pete_dushenski: trinque: bitcoin declares victory until proven otherwise ;)
asciilifeform: extralegally, if necessary
pete_dushenski: it's equally likely that 'conventional miners' will begin to curry favour with local governments
asciilifeform: in usa, police raids for 'house was hot, you must have been growing dope'
asciilifeform: abroad - 'gas main exploded, sorry'
trinque: pete_dushenski: the declaration of a thing is not what makes it so
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: -this- is what 'currying favour with governments' looks like
pete_dushenski: actually, sane local govs are undoubtedly already currying favour with miners
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130861 <<< nope, he's banned/exiled
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 20:58:30; jurov: then maybe he prefers interviewing folks individually
trinque: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton
assbot: Emperor Norton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBZT4p )
jurov: cazalla how?
pete_dushenski: trinque: depends entirely who it is making the declarative statements.
pete_dushenski: random derp =! bitcoin
cazalla: jurov, because we don't tolerate drunken behaviour around these parts!
jurov: who "we"?
jurov: what if it do tolerate?
jurov: *what if I do tolerate?
asciilifeform: jurov: he's in your l1 and still can't talk ?
cazalla: now as much as i love the ol' Vexual, i admit he does like to chat a lot and often makes no sense but by banning him, we now get to enjoy it on a more personal level via pm :P
trinque: pete_dushenski: "bitcoin is bitcoin" has no tactical content
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the stupid ones. the govs intent on slitting their own throats, sure.
trinque: of course bitcoin is bitcoin
trinque: and water is water
pete_dushenski: bitcoin, tmsr~
trinque: what's done with either, who owns it, is the meat
asciilifeform: jurov: you could rate him and he could then speak, no ?
jurov: asciilifeform yes that's what i'm asking.
jurov: now it's answered
asciilifeform: as far as i can tell, he isn't even in the new wot
cazalla: channel ban list is there for all to see anyway so why ask me
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: usg is correctly leveraging its only strengths - subterfuge, on captive audiences, backed by threat of brute force
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: so let's do the math.
pete_dushenski: let's say that these things are hashing at even 1 gh/s
pete_dushenski: and that they manage to deploy 10 mn units within 12 months from today.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: let's imagine that the only participating firm is comcast
pete_dushenski: ok.
pete_dushenski: does that change the 10 mn figure ?
asciilifeform: according to 'bloomberg', 22 mil. as of feb '15
asciilifeform: and that's -subscribers-
asciilifeform: many have >1 box
pete_dushenski: ok, so half of all subscribers in first year, one box per. aggressive but let's try it out.
asciilifeform: (modem, multiple tv tuner boxen, etc)
asciilifeform: ok
pete_dushenski: so by this time in 2016 the usg has 10 mn gh/s at its disposal.
trinque: no.
pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 356304 | Current Difficulty: 4.7643398017803444E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 356831 | Next Difficulty In: 527 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 44 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48563574149.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.93138
trinque: they have that plus every computer they already had at their disposal
asciilifeform: why half? they upgrade codecs, 'new signal is not compatible,' want cable - gotta accept (phree!!111!!) new box.
asciilifeform: 100%.
asciilifeform: and they can do this as often as they want
pete_dushenski: ;;nethash
gribble: 366925659.104
asciilifeform: and who said just 1 chip per box
asciilifeform: why not 20
asciilifeform: it's claiming 0.22watt/GH
asciilifeform: what, can't add 5W to box ?
asciilifeform: customers will quit tv?
asciilifeform: i can even see the cable becoming 'phreee'
trinque: who will claim the NSA doesn't already have a metric shitload of potential hashing power to apply to this problem?
trinque: the consumer product could just be cover for it
asciilifeform: trinque: the elegance is that nothing is kept secret
trinque: well what I'm saying is they do both
asciilifeform: there are no shadowy factories
pete_dushenski: best usb miner i recall was, what, 3 gh/s, maybe 5 gh/s
trinque: asciilifeform: sure "oh this is all from those newfangled crypto boxes"
pete_dushenski: so ok let's go with 20 gh/s per box, just for shits and giggles.
trinque: and they start using their SSL chewing boxes, or what have you
asciilifeform: trinque: it'll be a great 'hash laundry' yes
trinque: the idea that the whole USG is the decrepit post office is laughable
pete_dushenski: then we're at 200 mn gh/s in a year from now.
asciilifeform: trinque: i said precisely this, in '13
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: and what other player will catch up with this, do you suppose, and how ?
trinque: people would like it to be so
trinque: better if goliath has bad knees or whatever
trinque: as people would like their declarations alone to move reality
pete_dushenski: let's say hashrate increases 3-fold in next 12 months and we see that 200 mn gh/s is...
pete_dushenski: ;;calc 366*3/200
gribble: 5.49
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: what is the basis for this prediction ?
trinque: it's worth noting that anyone making declarations that come true is using his *power* to make them so
trinque: not his magic words
pete_dushenski: ;;calc 1/5.49*100
gribble: 18.2149362477
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i meant, for the prediction of increase
pete_dushenski: so the usg'd have 18% in this scenario.
danielpbarron: can't it only end up benefitting bitcoin to have more hashing power? (regardless of who is adding it?)
trinque: danielpbarron: not if it's all remotely diddlable
danielpbarron: what is to diddle? is block valid or isn't it?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: basis is 1/10 of increase of 2014. seems reasonable to me.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: not if 51%, or 51% with a few helpers, or if all put to gavincoin, or, or..
danielpbarron: who cares if put to gavincoin; I won't buy them
asciilifeform: price will be waterfalled up
asciilifeform: possibly even pegged to usd.
danielpbarron: doesn't that ultimately help bitcoin too?
asciilifeform: whether one cares - is a matter of taste
asciilifeform: but let's suppose the conscript miners are for proper btc
danielpbarron: USG would have to further inflate the dollar to do that
asciilifeform: the buggers get a seat at the table
trinque: "victory is inevitable" is what you tell the soldiers, sure
asciilifeform: see mircea_popescu's essay about 'they are fine with being late to parties, they know they can steal the cake whenever'
pete_dushenski: in any event, if the usg ends up with 18% of hashrate, albeit briefly, and throwing the kitchen sink at the the thing in the process, it would be about time they did something so productive.
trinque: that is not how generals speak to each other
danielpbarron: i thought the point of that essay was that bitcoin is the grand exception -- the cake that can't be taken
asciilifeform: a good 1/3 of the cake is still sitting on the table
pete_dushenski: and there's 7 billion mouths who want a bite.
danielpbarron: i don't have a problem with USG getting 1/3 of all the bitcoin; the can only spend it once
trinque: of vastly varying sizes
pete_dushenski: let em fight it out.
asciilifeform: only a few mouths with teeth
trinque: ^
pete_dushenski: each has 3 teeth, do they share them to make a bigger bite ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu will probably suggest that cn, ru, etc. will follow suit with -their- tv boxes
jurov: asciilifeform: and where usg gets the extra terawatt?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: and would he be wrong ?
jurov: (10mn appliances *100 watt)
asciilifeform: jurov: from tv junkies
asciilifeform: who get it from same place as before
jurov: but i keep hearing how the grid is in shabby condition
asciilifeform: (usa is not pegged for generating capacity, though grid is a little strained)
danielpbarron: the tv box miner must operate at a net loss (i get it the chump bears that cost, but eventually the wealth runs out ie: chump runs out of money)
pete_dushenski: all i know is that '21 inc' sure as fuck isn't disrupting my sleep ad libitum.
asciilifeform: shabby condition of transmission lines. but the 5-10W pales in comparison to the seasonal cycle when the ac units switch on
asciilifeform: and each house eats an extra 5-10kW
jurov: actually is the 100W heat needs to be A/C'd out, it may end up 300-400watt per one box!
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: not suggesting that 'something is to be done111!!!111!1' about this
asciilifeform: but i find it interesting that the buggers read the log and eventually learn something
pete_dushenski: except "better late than never" isn't in this case.
asciilifeform: let's suppose 'everyone' - ru, cn - participates. and supposing the 'race is to the swift' - who leads?
danielpbarron: 51% attack is the most credible threat, and even then they can't FIATize bitcoin (they can't break the rules)
asciilifeform: jurov: if they're very creative, they'll have it rolled in with the 'tax-deductible' photovoltaic panel thing
pete_dushenski: showing up to the train station when the steam engine is but a distant memory and the caboose is over the horizon, with no other train on the schedule, means you either start building your own train (blockchain teckmologee) or you stfu and go back to working the land.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: doublespend isn't 'fiatization' ?
trinque: lol working the land
danielpbarron: who would accept a transaction from USG ? and why should I feel sorry for them?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i'm trying to understand your counter here. is it that usg pocketing the last 1/3 of btc is not annoying? or that double-spends are not a problem ? or... what ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: who leads ? i dunno. doesn't israel have some chip fab facilities ? other than that, china.
trinque: I understand why people would want to think of the US as this fat, incapable beast that happened as some fluke
trinque: feels good, gives them what they deserve or whatever
asciilifeform: trinque: it is simply the largest slave empire in history. sorta like egypt, or inca, with nukes.
jurov: asciilifeform: either your estimate expects 100W per household, or usd is not getting any significant poiece of cake
asciilifeform: jurov: why 100W ?
jurov: 20 chips
pete_dushenski: ;;calc 0.18*7000000
gribble: 1260000
trinque: asciilifeform: this is practically the salvation myth
trinque: bitcoin's here so we can just wait on our salvation
trinque: I don't buy it for a second.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: my counter is that calc ^. so within 100 years, usg is as deadly as pirate or karpeles !
asciilifeform: trinque: 'you will wait for the bus for a very long time if you are the driver'
trinque: yeah
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: within 100 years, we will -all- be as deadly as pirate...
pete_dushenski: lol right.
danielpbarron: his name is trendon shavers
mircea_popescu: so this stunner chick is working in a clothes shop. one day a guy comes in, goes straight for her,
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: well, his slave name...
mircea_popescu: takes his cock out and asks "you got something to match this ?"
mircea_popescu: "i'm sorry, we only do adult sizes here."
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: another problem with the "oh noes usg" card is that, as you well know, it's not monolithic. the infighting over any coins it gets its hands on will be considerable. and divisive.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i don't work with 'oh noez', but i like testable hypotheses
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130812 << damned straight. lazy, stupid dudes from africa should not get a salary, college degrees and free housing on the grounds that they're black.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 19:16:48; lobbes: 'There’s a fairness issue involved here.' << there's that 'fair' trope again
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130829 << to putin!
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 20:07:27; jurov: to cry, or to laugh?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: here's the test : within 12 months (or 12 years ?), the 'usg' will be unable to double-spend a bitcoin transaction.
jurov: asciilifeform: sry, my calculation is broken, it is 5W per 20 chips. but with the a/c and other overhead, can still be several times more
asciilifeform: jurov: so chumper pays more. as he did when he had a crt instead of lcd, etc
kakobrekla: there is always a chance for double spend, just a matter of how deep
jurov: i was asking about a grid, not about chumper
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski how do you imagine you test that ?
asciilifeform: speaking of which, there's a fella on 'ebay' claiming to sell new, virginal sony 21" trinitrons.
mircea_popescu: i can make a doublespend right now, what's to keep me ?!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130840 << no it's not!
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 20:25:33; Naphex: that kindly asking for stuff is so weka
asciilifeform: jurov: grid isn't pegged. not by a long shot. think of the whole affair as usg imposing a (comparatively, tiny) tax on its subjects with which to buy hash.
jurov: btw, large lcd eats easily more than classic crt
asciilifeform: jurov: of same size?!
jurov: who buys same size???
asciilifeform: i've yet to meet a 100-200W lcd
asciilifeform: of whatever size
asciilifeform: (my 4 panels together eat about 100.)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130859 << iirc i banned him.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 20:54:52; kakobrekla: i don't see a reason why not.
kakobrekla: weirdo.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ok, then obtaining confirmations for said double-spend transaction ?
mircea_popescu: kay, lemme figure out how to undo this
mircea_popescu: !up SWARMsecret
asciilifeform: !up SWARMsecret
kakobrekla: lel
SWARMsecret: zomg
danielpbarron: heh, it worked!
danielpbarron: i posted a link to chat through an "anonymous" twitter account named SWARMsecret
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116300 @ 0.00026986 = 31.3847 BTC [+] {2}
SWARMsecret: the interwebs is a crazy place
kakobrekla: my 5 panels eat about 200w it seems
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130870 << how ?
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:27:38; asciilifeform: re: l0ltr0n1cs: today i found out that ed felten (formerly 'freedom to tinker' blog, lawsuits against riaa, etc.) has been a usg stooge for several years now.
mircea_popescu: oh for crying out loud.
mircea_popescu: does usg-effective mean "bitcoin needs a decision making process which a) doesn't include mp as we've been pretending was the case all along and b) overrepresents us, as we've idem" ?
mircea_popescu: fucktards.
asciilifeform: https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/05/11/white-house-names-dr-ed-felten-deputy-us-chief-technology-officer << this
assbot: The White House Names Dr. Ed Felten as Deputy U.S. Chief Technology Officer | The White House ... ( http://bit.ly/1K73yJi )
asciilifeform: and before, similar position also there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137500 @ 0.00026896 = 36.982 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/freedom-to-tinker-derp.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bQDiE2 )
mircea_popescu: let's pretend nothing exists because marginal observations by 60s feminists.
asciilifeform: i bet he doesn't even read it today
mircea_popescu: the gall.
asciilifeform: (felten, that is)
mircea_popescu: i care what he reads like i care what chickens eat.
asciilifeform: he certainly doesn't write it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: could just as well throw the comment to the chickens then
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: dja know what stalin's representative told the romanian peace delegation after the war ?
asciilifeform: ?
mircea_popescu: "where the fuck is the comment!"
mircea_popescu: it's not like, oh, i need something from him. i don't. he needs shit from me, in the future, and he won't get it, and the reason is exactly right here.
mircea_popescu: he can sort it out for himself.
asciilifeform: what is it that he will need ?
mircea_popescu: well, the romanians needed a peace that didn't consist of rape.
mircea_popescu: he will presumably need the same.
mircea_popescu: it's what the defeated side usually needs.
scoopbot_revived: Four Australians Among 21 Arrested For Firearm Purchases http://qntra.net/2015/05/four-australians-among-21-arrested-for-firearm-purchases/
asciilifeform: l0l, au doesn't xray at customs or post office ?
asciilifeform: it is well-known that usg does. and that no such item makes it out of usa via the post unless usg wills it.
cazalla: not when they're the ones sending them
asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently there's no russian note of this, at least on the web i see, but anyway : when patrascanu & co went to moscow to try and work out an armistice, molotov broke the drone with a very pointed "ce ati cautat la stalingrad ?"
mircea_popescu: ie, da fuck were you doing at stalingrad.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144150 @ 0.00027116 = 39.0877 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i am still curious re: your hypothesis. was it that usg will not claim the remaining unmined btc, or that it doing so is uninteresting to us ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: hm i guess my hypothesis is that usg won't claim enough of remaining unmined btc to throw a wrench in the individual sovereignty of those in #b-a.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/u7MgpbF.png << ripped out of google bookturd
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K74z4a )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 296000 @ 0.00026808 = 79.3517 BTC [-] {3}
danielpbarron: http://trulyscummy.tumblr.com/post/113137290948/why-i-stopped-being-a-tucute-and-started-being-a >> i was so brainwashed i though i was a piece of trash for being a trans male. i thought i was a "demi-poly-sexual, grey-gyno-romantic, self-diagnosed autistic felinekin". i actually thought this to be true.
assbot: truscum ... ( http://bit.ly/1K74BJt )
pete_dushenski: !up wao
wao: wut
wao: why me?
wao: but thanks anyway
wao: )
pete_dushenski: wao: because you're here!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aside the fact that deletant is pretty much a color revolutions expert in history rewriting, sure.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these usually specialize in selective quotation, rather than wholesale confabulation - but devil only knows.
mircea_popescu: he insultingly missed out the exact quote.
pete_dushenski: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-watch-basically-hacker-proof-202725548.html << lulz. article goes on to mention all the ways apple watch isn't and couldn't be 'hacker proof'
assbot: The Apple Watch is basically hacker proof - Yahoo Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1bQH0xG )
pete_dushenski: who writes these headlines ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61520 @ 0.0002676 = 16.4628 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: "And for the love of technology, please set up a strong passcode." << what strong 4-digit passcode ?
mircea_popescu: 1337
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it's a remote for 'iPnohe'
asciilifeform: so what is the discussion even about.
asciilifeform: somehow 'old wine' gets to be discussion-worthy again because of 'new bottle' ?
trinque: that article got paid for
danielpbarron: iPhone can be reprogramed to use a longer password
trinque: not even news; it's an ad
asciilifeform: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/how-rich-mastered-the-art-of-investing-190205874.html << who paid for that one
assbot: Despite record $180M Picasso, art market no bubble - Yahoo Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1bQHgMZ )
pete_dushenski: picasso duh.
mircea_popescu: lo
trinque: probably wherever it was auctioned
asciilifeform: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/will-regulators-sideline-stock-trading-games-based-on-fantasy-sports-173714590.html << from same rag - fictional stock exchanges also 'regulated'
assbot: Will regulators sideline fantasy stock-trading games? - Yahoo Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1K75em7 )
asciilifeform: usg claims ownership of the sun, moon, stars. orders the sea whipped. news at eleven.
asciilifeform: wake me up when the sea stops screaming when they whip it.
mircea_popescu: lol
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: what's your take on 21 and their race to toasterise mining ?
trinque: http://digiday.com/publishers/business-insiders-curious-disclosures/
assbot: Why Business Insider lets its reporters fly on sources' dimes - Digiday ... ( http://bit.ly/1bQI0lm )
trinque: business insider is a shitty rag
mircea_popescu: tis in the logs!
trinque: as is the whole category of such "news" outlets
trinque: the marketing side bleeds into the content side if there ever was such a distinction in the first place
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: into the depths i go.
trinque: doublelol @ https://advertising.yahoo.com/Blog/INTRODUCING-YAHOO-RECOMMENDS.html
assbot: A New Monetization Solution: Yahoo Recommends - Yahoo Advertising ... ( http://bit.ly/1K75Nwp )
asciilifeform: in unrelated but pleasant news, i just unwrapped a beautiful edition of john strong's 'procedures in experimental physics' (1938)
asciilifeform: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5870004-procedures-in-experimental-physics
assbot: Procedures in Experimental Physics by John Strong — Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1K76vJR )
asciilifeform: https://archive.org/details/proceduresinexpe00stro << apparently, the whole thing!
assbot: Procedures in experimental physics : Strong, John Donovan : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1K76vtz )
asciilifeform: ^^^^ l337 w4r3z!!111!!
asciilifeform: no one should be surprised at the length of the section devoted to glass. in that period, folks were expected to do 100% own glass.
mircea_popescu: 30s ? fo sho.
mircea_popescu: the bash of the time
asciilifeform: then we got 'pyrex'
asciilifeform: and you need an oxygenated flame for pyrex
asciilifeform: now, pyrex is apparently going extinct on account of crapflation
asciilifeform: for this and other reasons - not a bad time to learn glass.
asciilifeform: (among other skills)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124450 @ 0.00027157 = 33.7969 BTC [+]
cazalla: my missus is not too bad with that, has been doing lampworking for like a decade
cazalla: i'd rather move her kilns and tanks into the garage and turn that room into a computing space tbh though lol
asciilifeform: cazalla: lamps as in neon ?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-03-2015#1050348 << not quite 2013 logs, but i'll take it.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 19:27:50; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050103 << don't be ridiculous. for one thing, commodizing asic mining is a larger task than commodizing cpu arch. for the other, they're a fucking sv corp, they're not going to DO ANYTHING. just sit around and talk about shit. preferably at "conferences", or else "liveblog" it.
cazalla: nah as in beads, paperweights, blown etc
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050103
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 12:22:05; *: Adlai desperately hopes that '21' are trying to commoditize asic mining, rather than just another mining ktulu
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127543
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 23:16:02; mircea_popescu: toaster is kinda dumb, but ceramic tiles for warm floor is worth doing.
pete_dushenski: ah yes, the tileable mining floor
pete_dushenski: 21 will still plunk their chips in vcr's because of install costs for customer
pete_dushenski: new floor would be price-y
pete_dushenski: new gadget or gizmo ? easy peasy.
BingoBoingo: With the power consumption of most cable boxes an extra 20-40 watts would probably go unnoticed by consumer
asciilifeform: and if he notices - then what? idiots will quit tv ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90250 @ 0.00027205 = 24.5525 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, bitches on facebook. Wonders what could have went wrong.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski they didn't do their homework at all. they're a very easy target for the "eco" lobby, and will be murdered as they can't afford to pay those leeches.
asciilifeform: these folks fill the holy trifecta of 1) won't notice 2) if notices, won't care 3) if cares, impotent to do anything
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not if they spin it as 'out coin is donated to offset carbon credits for mother gaia' or whatnot
mircea_popescu: but whatever, i'm not here to provide strategic consultancy for free to "the titans of sv". fuck them sideways, they can go hire harlan ellison to do that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, even then.
mircea_popescu: whatever, they want consultancy, they can court me like any other whore.
asciilifeform: 'eco lobby' is a usg tentacle like any other.
trinque: any consumer product derpage would just be cover for turning on whatever computing power the NSA has at its disposal
trinque: I mean this assumes whatever sub-groups within the thing haven't been mining on their botnets for years
trinque: I don't buy that either
trinque: there are guys inside the beast not nearly as foolish as that Force guy
asciilifeform: trinque: if you mean 'botnet' in the traditional sense of the word, run the numbers.
asciilifeform: (botnet mining today is a fart in the wind)
trinque: who said today
scoopbot_revived: US Poultry and Egg Prices Headed To The Moon http://qntra.net/2015/05/us-poultry-and-egg-prices-headed-to-the-moon/
asciilifeform: and was a year ago. and two. and three.
trinque: I said "for years"
mircea_popescu: o.O the stuff qntra newses ?!
trinque: that's it; the price of eggs and poultry is going to do the USA in for good
jurov: they will import (unwashed! what horror) eggs from elsewhere
jurov: and find it surpprising for qntra, too
BingoBoingo: Things that adversely impact the utility of the USD is totally qntra
jurov: so... bitcoin price per egg is expected to stay constant?
danielpbarron: !up maxwell
jurov: oh i get it, it's litecoin
jurov: FLY CHIKUN
BingoBoingo: Sure
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform aws can definitely not be part of our canonical stuff huh. << agreed. i'll continue to get my sea-legs with what I've got so far, but what we end up supporting in the end will be a gentoo on a bare-rails environment. unless any objections?
asciilifeform: bare-rails ?
mod6: real hardware.
mod6: non-virtualized.
mircea_popescu: i dun think so
danielpbarron: maxwell, didn't you register a key under the nickname mxtm?
asciilifeform: strong's masterpiece, among many other useful things, explains how to make optical fibers (by hand, naturally)
asciilifeform: what is the modern experimenter expected to make by hand ?
asciilifeform: grant proposal signatures ?
mircea_popescu: copypaste hey, http://trilema.com/banners/rotator.php suit you ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2sG6S )
mircea_popescu: !up seraminta
seraminta: yasss wassup hoes
seraminta: i was told by my friend dan to come here
seraminta: i see he is here
seraminta: hello
seraminta: someone please teach me about this i am ready
mircea_popescu: who's your friend and who are you ?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron is this one of yours?
danielpbarron: ah, yes
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.mxtm.1:56b85c7ae290407ae089b8d262533fa748f89fd5322d85884cecb4882e22d744
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for mxtm with note: a kid who lives in Boston and likes languages
danielpbarron: seraminta is one of the local girls
danielpbarron: she wants to learn about bitcoin
mxtm: that's me
seraminta: yes
seraminta: please teach me!!
mxtm: fuck, this pi case is really tight
danielpbarron: seraminta, http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9XIRU )
BingoBoingo: First step to learn Bitcoin is to put shoe on head, in private, and balance it there for much time. Teaches discipline necessary to Bitcoin.
seraminta: wow
seraminta: u 4chan peice of frick
seraminta: jk
seraminta: i'll read that now tho
trinque: BingoBoingo: then you chant "bitcoin is bitcoin" in the mirror each night
BingoBoingo: seraminta: Nah, not shoe on head for camera, shoe on head to teach balance and focus.
BingoBoingo: trinque: yes, while looking at agricultural price trends for the past two decades
mircea_popescu: trinque and sagavin comes to enlarge your bollocks ?
trinque: lol, yes he comes to increase your block size
seraminta: is this to like
seraminta: "mine" bitcoins
seraminta: or
BingoBoingo: seraminta: It is to increase your ability to say no to bad ideas
seraminta: what
seraminta: i dont understand how to lke
seraminta: get them
danielpbarron: there may be miners in here, but it's not limited to that
trinque: that is actually a very apt description of the medicinal effect of #b-a
seraminta: these links make no sense to me
danielpbarron: seraminta, how do you get dollars?
mircea_popescu: http://www.myhealthstoreonline.org/images/ProExtender/ProExtender-exercise.jpg << the 20Mb power changer.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2u7SU )
seraminta: i have a job heh
mircea_popescu: seraminta http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/
assbot: I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2u9tT )
williamdunne: seraminta: Bitcoin isn't free money
seraminta: ok but how do i
seraminta: do what yall do
seraminta: what do yall do for it?
williamdunne: Buy em'
danielpbarron: you read the log for 6 months to a year
williamdunne: Work for em'
williamdunne: Take pictures of your tits for em'
trinque: seraminta: before trying to acquire bitcoins you will want to educate yourself on both them and the technical considerations around keeping them
trinque: the logs here are indeed the best way to do that
seraminta: can yall just educate me on how to get that money tho....
trinque: as are the various associated blogs
mxtm: well you can trade for it
mxtm: for traditional fiat currencies
mxtm: or you can get paid in it in exchange for services, goods, etc
seraminta: what do u do for them?
trinque: seraminta: what interests you in them?
mxtm: i'm more of the trader type
seraminta: im a fan of money
danielpbarron: seraminta, you have been given many suggestions; repeating yourself will not yield a positive outcome
trinque: seraminta: what's money?
seraminta: what the hell dan?
seraminta: yall are being so vague
williamdunne: seraminta: How do you earn dollars? Would you like us to specify every position available on the McDonalds' team?
seraminta: okay but just by saying
seraminta: oh u trade for them
seraminta: is vague
seraminta: like
seraminta: trade what
danielpbarron: if you straight up just want some coin, I can sell it to you in person; just hand me cash
seraminta: how much is each thing worth like
danielpbarron: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.51, Best ask: 236.63, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 236.51, 24 hour volume: 29052.82160197, 24 hour low: 234.22, 24 hour high: 245.0, 24 hour vwap: None
williamdunne: $ in bitcoin out, its like magic
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market buttchina
gribble: BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.468966, Best ask: 235.48187, Bid-ask spread: 0.01290, Last trade: 235.467353, 24 hour volume: 61772.47790000, 24 hour low: 233.4011, 24 hour high: 244.75662, 24 hour vwap: 241.381998979
mxtm: where are you located, seraminta?
copypaste: 08:53:49*@mircea_popescu copypaste hey, http://trilema.com/banners/rotator.php suit you ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2uwVk )
copypaste: Yes, very nice mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: splendid.
copypaste: I especially like this: http://trilema.com/banners/trilema-online-rape.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2uAo4 )
mircea_popescu: lol
copypaste: You'll get a lot of clicks from that from our users most likely.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima add more etc, but doesn't need to bother you.
copypaste: Cool
mircea_popescu: o also! anyone with a scooped blog can make himself a banner, hit me up with it.
seraminta: im in connecticut
seraminta: why
williamdunne: Because different countries have different trading systems..
trinque: seraminta: read this -> http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/
assbot: A complete theory of economics on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2uJrF )
trinque: from there click links, or ask questions here
trinque: and read the logs.
mxtm: seraminta: well then ofc you can just do cash in person w/ danielpbarron here
mxtm: cash in mail is also a good option especially for "off the books" type stuff
BingoBoingo: Station wagon full of cash also works for larger purchases
trinque: lol
mxtm: and or a large box of cash
mxtm eyes the boxes in the closet he would never be able to fill
trinque: or a box of cash within which there are several boxes of cash
mxtm: i have all of these priority mail boxes and free tape now
mxtm: i want to use them
BingoBoingo: Nah, station wagons has always been the premier unit of data transfer and what is money, but data on who doesn't suck
mxtm: semen also transfers lots of data quickly
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: In some places delivery services are still the most cost effective way of transporting web data
BingoBoingo: mxtm: Not really. only encoded with 4 letter character set. T, C, A, G
williamdunne: I can remember a while ago a calculation being done that it was cheaper to have a 120gb SSD filled with data shipped to Canada than it was to download onto your existing drive
mxtm: lol
williamdunne: Including the cost of the SSD itself ofc
danielpbarron: https://i.imgur.com/bbXqps5.jpg << seraminta is the one on the right (best pic i could find)
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2vctT )
danielpbarron: !up seraminta
seraminta: why
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you know you gotta let people publish their own pics.
seraminta: did u post that dude lol
danielpbarron: i took that pic, it is my own. but i'll keep that in mind for future reference
seraminta: bye
copypaste: lol
copypaste: One moment please danielpbarron.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron and since we're doing future references : you don't want a 20% of empty sky and cut calves.
mircea_popescu: the human body has some permissible cuts, and the calves aren't it. if you don't cut the neck, the next is the torso, between lower rib and belly button, and if you don't cut that you don't cut anything.
danielpbarron nods
copypaste: danielpbarron: https://8ch.net/b/res/2682469.html
assbot: /b/ - which one would you fuck, /b/? ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2vLUn )
copypaste: :^)
mircea_popescu: aww. now you've gone given him an irl problem.
cazalla: ahha copypaste
mircea_popescu: https://8ch.net/b/res/2682469.html#q2682495 see ? you lose at chans.
assbot: /b/ - which one would you fuck, /b/? ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2vYa8 )
mircea_popescu: random lulz : in the 70s, romania was doing a very argnetine-like autarky thing. making local whisky, local everything. including local gin, which was made at covasna,
mircea_popescu: and consequently the brand name was covagin
cazalla: doesn't seem anyone wants to bang #3
copypaste: might just be a bad picture of 3
copypaste: not a very forgiving angle
cazalla: nothing forgiving about 1 out of 5 girls wearing jeans at the beach
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-tigancusa-spune-drept/ here, better set.
assbot: [NSFW] Tigancusa, spune drept... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2wGnY )
cazalla: fwiw, i'd bang all 5 but only admit to 2 or maybe 3 of em
mircea_popescu: also jeans at beach.
mircea_popescu: cazalla married men would fuck anything.
cazalla: no doubt about that
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130886 << so did zimmerman. and plenty of others.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:32:00; asciilifeform: this fella used to be the 'genuine article'
mircea_popescu: there's something about old men.
asciilifeform: aha. same dynamic.
asciilifeform: (how old is schneier ?)
mircea_popescu: "Be wary of one-time pads and other crypto unicorns" vbwghahgahaha
mircea_popescu: o god almighty.
asciilifeform: to be fair, the item under review was a prng turd written for turdroid etc.
mircea_popescu: you know, these schmucks have nothing of the quality of schmuckdom in the soviet times.
mircea_popescu: just as many poltrons then, but really, a lot more style.
mircea_popescu: now it's just... blunt. vulgar.
asciilifeform: what can i say, these folks have more distance between selves and the cultured times.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: the talmudists had it right, in their picture of wisdom being at peak (in their cosmography, in the era of moses) and fading away monotonically since
mircea_popescu: i dun think so.
asciilifeform: well, wrong about details, but basic idea
mircea_popescu: mebbe. tho i dun think so. not that i have any serious basis for it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130904 << dude. it's the pump phase of a pump and dump scam. what do you expect ? there is no connection between the depicted elements under the surface.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:45:12; asciilifeform: 'By the time its chips were to be embedded into Internet of Things (IoT) devices, 21 projected its cost to produce 1 BTC could be as low as $7.45.' << somebody does not grasp difficulty factor ?
mircea_popescu: it's like you're expecting to find flesh under a stand-up cut-out of angelina jolie.
asciilifeform: is it entirely inconceivable that they are in fact churning out miners ?
asciilifeform: how this act is financed is a secondary consideration. for all i know, they are whoring out their daughters to pay for it
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see any tripwire move.
mircea_popescu: maybe they're doing it in supersecret, but so far, on the balance of intelligence, it's just gift of gab.
asciilifeform: afaik no one alleged that this particular set is plugged in yet
mircea_popescu: has to be made.
mircea_popescu: you know, in a plant.
mircea_popescu: designed. you know, by someone.
mircea_popescu: etc.
asciilifeform: allegation was, by intel
mircea_popescu: where ?
asciilifeform: at one of their fabs
mircea_popescu: intel has a finite number of discrete fabs
mircea_popescu: they can't produce anything at "one of the fabs"
asciilifeform wasn't there, doesn't know at which in particular
mircea_popescu: there's oregon, arizona new mexico, some secret and some offshoire locations
williamdunne: The trilema rotator works on neither of my computers :/
mircea_popescu: williamdunne what happens ?
williamdunne: One one computer, nothing
mircea_popescu: see page source ?
williamdunne: On the other I get a very quick flash of the no image logo, which then disappears
williamdunne: Yeah I'll check it
mircea_popescu: should be something like $ curl http://trilema.com/banners/rotator.php
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2yFIO )
mircea_popescu: <a href="http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/#selection-109.0-109.105"><img src="http://trilema.com/banners/trilema-purpose.png"></a>
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite possibly they read the 2013 #b-a thread and took the advice of baking a hashing engine into an existing system-on-chip design
williamdunne: One thing:
williamdunne: 03:11:47.553 The character encoding of the HTML document was not declared. The document will render with garbled text in some browser configurations if the document contains characters from outside the US-ASCII range. The character encoding of the page must be declared in the document or in the transfer protocol.1 rotator.php
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 207363 @ 0.00027095 = 56.185 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: yeah well. it's supposed to go into a diff page, with its own declarations, and it uses no glyphs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you understand the qty of engineering involved.
williamdunne: Source is:
williamdunne: <img class="hlfcdjdaavkkxwcvfwse" src="http://trilema.com/banners/bitbet-berkshire.png">
mircea_popescu: yes, they'll have this in five years. the effort required to do it in a year ? you'd hear.
williamdunne: Interesting, should work
mircea_popescu: williamdunne weird class ?!
williamdunne: Yeah, thats the one I'm getting
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mine is ~450 lines of verilog
mircea_popescu: it seems like your browser supplies it somehow ? the source has no class spec.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your embeddable bitcoin miner ?
asciilifeform: it isn't the most optimal in the world (far from it) and a 'serious', 'grown man's' miner oughta be designed at discrete logic level
asciilifeform: but the overall complexity of the act of mining is not high
asciilifeform mined his first, and for long time, only bitcoin, on an fpga for which he wrote a very elementary miner, as an exercise
asciilifeform: many other folks did this
asciilifeform: most of them, i will point out, long before i did
mircea_popescu awaits the 500 verilog lines gpu and the 2200 lines cpu to be released by intel soon=ish, totally busting the market.
mircea_popescu: it'll even fit in heads.
asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $ wc -l mips.v
asciilifeform: 359 mips.v
trinque: williamdunne: you using adblock?
williamdunne: trinque: I am
trinque: 'tis an ad
trinque: :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it won't be busting any markets. because 'how world works' (TM)
mircea_popescu: and so here we go, full circle.
mircea_popescu: trinque you figure it actually blocks an image wrapped in an url ? that's almost all of em ?
williamdunne: Yeah youre right, its adblock causing it
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Rotator and banner are probably both keywords
mircea_popescu: sheit!
asciilifeform: for the benefit of log readers, i will point out again, that a sha256 hashing circuit is dwarfed, complexity-wise, by all but the simplest 'homework' cpu, gpu, whatever other ic product
mircea_popescu: copypaste pls to use http://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittydrip.php instead!
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2zBge )
asciilifeform: they only appear complicated because 1) folks slept through school 2) lack of popular access to chip fab tech translates to lack of interest in even the most elementary aspects of engineering
mircea_popescu: williamdunne does that work ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Yeah they don't trigger it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mining is not just sha 256 hashing
mircea_popescu: copypaste because apparently adblocking assholery.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is also a counter, yes
asciilifeform: big fat full-adder.
asciilifeform: takes up all of 1% of the gates
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform miner without a node ? miner without any security w/e ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down; that's not my department, said werhner von braun...'
mircea_popescu: yes well, 90% of a job is not a job.
asciilifeform: the miscreants from earlier thread, with the cable boxes ?
asciilifeform: betcha plan is to have'em all hang off one node
asciilifeform: link rsa'd
asciilifeform: (at least, in outgoing direction)
mircea_popescu: will be fun to ddos then.
asciilifeform: if cable boxes, won't sit on public net
mircea_popescu: im sure nukes will help them keep it up.
asciilifeform: by 'hanging off one node', meant that the device issued to schmucks will not include a node
asciilifeform: (why should it)
mircea_popescu: for reliability.
asciilifeform: but merely the minimal iron necessary to getwork() from usg and return results in a form that is unusable to mitmers
copypaste: mircea_popescu: Do you wanat it put up now?
mircea_popescu: sure.
copypaste: OK. Give me a few minutes :)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130948 << tbh i think he has it, but anyway.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:55:40; pete_dushenski: by the time they roll these out and get them into any appreciable number of homes, it'll look like trying to fight the nazis by arming every american with slingshots
asciilifeform: i'm still curious, who is going to outcompete a hypothetical usg telecom monopoly inserting miners into cable boxes etc. and on what parameter ? cost of energy ? nope - schmucks pay. cost of manufacture? again, schmucks pay, indirectly. which is it ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130961 << i have internet here, no magic box. had it in romania too, they offered me the magic box. i didn't want it , the woman was in shock
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:58:34; jurov: afaik it's so everywhere, nobody does streaming available for own hardware, i have asked
mircea_popescu: but i didn't take it.
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeh tittydrip works :D
asciilifeform: ^ i think jurov was speaking of 'tv-style' interface where schmuck is not aware that he is using the net, doesn't sit around hunting for warez, etc. but just sits with ir remote & drools
asciilifeform: it is what folks pay for when they subscribe to 'cable tv'
mircea_popescu: oh, people still get tv ?
mircea_popescu has no idea about any of that market.
asciilifeform: (which, where i live, has long ago gone packetized, yes)
mircea_popescu: afaik it's like old style phone service
mircea_popescu: you get it with the internet and nobody uses it
asciilifeform: as discussed earlier, somewhere north of 20 million u.s. subscribers just for 'comcast'
mircea_popescu: i guess gramas use it or something
asciilifeform: and they use it.
asciilifeform: every restaurant in d.c. area, for instance, has it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 20mn users x 20 watts = doubling the current hash power. /me is unimpressed.
copypaste: mircea_popescu: just a warning
copypaste: trilema.com is using a self-signed cert
copypaste: it won't work correectly because most of our requests are served over HTTPS
asciilifeform: why it even has https
mircea_popescu: copypaste uh it shouldn't have https at all ? my references are all to http
mircea_popescu: you rewrite them ?!
copypaste: mircea_popescu: No, but most browsers won't allow HTTP in HTTPS pages.
mircea_popescu: ugh
copypaste: I can keep it at HTTP but "Content Security Policy" in Firefox and Chrome will block it.
mircea_popescu: shit.
copypaste: If it's on an HTTPS page. It'll only work on HTTP pages.
copypaste: Yeah.
mircea_popescu: listen, what if i push the image out as base64 ?
mircea_popescu: then no link
copypaste: I'm not sure I understand your proposal
copypaste: I'm linking via iframe like this
mircea_popescu: lemme have it changed, a second, then you see.
copypaste: OK
copypaste: <iframe class="trilema" style='width:728px; height:90px; border:0px; padding:0;overflow:hidden' src="https://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittydrip.php" allowtransparency="true" scrolling="no"></iframe>
mircea_popescu: copypaste how about something like this : http://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittylick.php
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2AO7j )
mircea_popescu: has no references
copypaste: It won't work with the iframe method. I would need the source code of that file and run it on 8chan's server
copypaste: Because the iframe still refers to the plain HTTP trilema.com :(
mircea_popescu: ah i see
mircea_popescu: yeah but then how do i add/remove banners.
copypaste: Yeah exactly.
mircea_popescu: well what the shit.
copypaste: If you have any domain with a valid HTTPS cert you could use that
copypaste: And it would just work
mircea_popescu: i don't, because i don't use pki.
mircea_popescu: it's pretty well despised here.
mircea_popescu: can you give me a ftp user in a subdir on your server and run it from there ?
copypaste: I see, it makes sense. Unfortunately browser vendors have been very difficult about this lately.
mircea_popescu: of course they have. usg wants pki everywhere.
copypaste: Sure, that will work. You'll lose out on some stats stuff though that you could get by running it on your server
copypaste: e.g. how many impressions
cazalla: apparently these are the guns seized by aussie LEA, nfi if for real http://i.imgur.com/tQJkNNM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/mKI3cI3.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2B7z7 )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2B5ag )
mircea_popescu: well alternatively you could just import the php from my server into your page
mircea_popescu: of course you'd have to validate the shit out of it.
mircea_popescu: but i can swear it won't be malicious, fwiw.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Pretty clear those are sporting equipment
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: what's that, airguns ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 269587 @ 0.00027003 = 72.7966 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28613 @ 0.00027215 = 7.787 BTC [+]
cazalla: find out soon, i rang their contact centre and they said they'd email the images
copypaste: I wonder if I could just proxy from your trilema.com PHP script
copypaste: Like Bitcointalk does for images
copypaste: And also send you the real user's IP so you get stats.
copypaste: So https://8ch.net/trilema-proxy.php
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1L368Og )
copypaste: Would that be OK?
mircea_popescu: you should be able to.
mircea_popescu: sure.
copypaste: Great, let me do that.
copypaste: This has the added benefit of bypassing uBlock.
copypaste: Which is the new vogue of adblocking software. It blocks crcossorigin requests.
mircea_popescu: as long as it punctures the pki bs i'm happy.
copypaste: Yep. Only one with PKI BS will be us, hehe.
asciilifeform: cazalla: looks like .22 (olympics caliber)
asciilifeform: (first image)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: One's clealy a lever action, the other one appears to be a Ruger 10/22 (judging off of the magazing they laid on the OTHER SIDE of the levergun)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you gotta appreciate, the usg is not the only one mining, nor has it been. at this point, the deployment you contemplate might allow it to catch up, but won't do much more than that.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aha. daisies++
asciilifeform: cazalla: the 2nd is of an обрез
BingoBoingo: Really the sort of thing Australia needs more of considering their rabbit problem
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suspect that only neutron bomb could have a hope of dealing with that continent's real problem
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The spiders?
mircea_popescu: the women ?
asciilifeform: (and it would have to fall on a different continent entirely)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131059 << except he already presumes it's not even useful. 490 lines of verilog don't allow for much remote diddle.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:15:06; trinque: danielpbarron: not if it's all remotely diddlable
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131065 <<< lmao. why not just call on the heavenly angelic infantry at this point ?
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:17:26; asciilifeform: possibly even pegged to usd.
mircea_popescu: st thomas comes riding a flaming horse made out of female virgin saint asses
mircea_popescu: shooting psalms out of their assholes at the unbelievers.
trinque: mircea_popescu: what's your read of the exchange between pete and myself; I was hearing circular logic (no offense to pete)
mircea_popescu: re this toaster mining business ?
trinque: specifically that 'bitcoin is bitcoin' is a reason in itself
trinque: my response might be "well, why fucking bother with a WoT" for example
mircea_popescu: i think that argument holds water, to a large degree. recall the "bitcoin pervers the nsa" discussion with alf maybe a year ago ?
mircea_popescu: perverts*
trinque: that it pulls apart non-aligned organizations?
trinque: like that guy Force?
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1131671 <<< subtle but not as subtle as usual :P
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 02:55:36; asciilifeform: (and it would have to fall on a different continent entirely)
mircea_popescu: no. thgat it realligns anyone.
trinque: I can see that point.
copypaste: mircea_popescu: https://8ch.net/proxy.php?csurl=http://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittydrip.php
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2BUA8 )
copypaste: Look good?
mircea_popescu: sure. but won't it bitch cause the img is http ?
copypaste: Oh yeah. Please use the b64 version like before
copypaste: That'll work perfectly
mircea_popescu: trinque http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475163 << that convo.
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2014 18:18:59; mircea_popescu: today at nsa headquarters, "sir, i would like to apply for permission to spend 10bn usd dollars in btc equivalent by dumpting our stash"
mircea_popescu: copypaste you use it lol. http://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittylick.php
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2BYQi )
mircea_popescu: (lick not drip)
trinque: mircea_popescu: ty
copypaste: Oh, gotcha.
copypaste: I didn't notice the different URL, sorry ;)
copypaste: OK. I'm going to embed that now. I hope it behaves well under load. Time will tell
mircea_popescu is curious what the load looks like
mircea_popescu: haha yeah. keeping an eye on it here.
mircea_popescu: Server Load0.04 (8 cpus) atm
copypaste: I stuck it on all the boards. 8chan uses a style of rebuilding where a new post rebuilds a thread on a board
copypaste: I have to force rebuild the boards we agreed to
copypaste: For it to show on all threads and indexes
copypaste: I'll go do that
copypaste: But you can see it here already: https://8ch.net/pol/index.html
assbot: /pol/ - Politically Incorrect ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2CcXG )
copypaste: Oops, I forgot to remove Coinbase
copypaste: As we agreed. I'll do that.
mircea_popescu: danke
mircea_popescu: trinque essentially, an application of "bitcoin is bitcoin" is what sunk gavin. they still mostly can't believe it happened, but it did. it will again. in practice, you either implement a broken, pared down version of bitcoin, in which case bitcoin defeats you, or else you implement a correct version, in which case... you've implemented bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: this thing cuts a lot more universally than one'd reasonably expect, and quite scarily in its degree.
mircea_popescu: "you can't halfass bitcoin" is the thing. which property is why i was musing that it's more like a force of nature than anything else.
mircea_popescu: displays exactly the feynman property of "nature".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150450 @ 0.00027215 = 40.945 BTC [+]
trinque: I begin to understand -> mircea_popescu:you'll come out of it thinking what it needs you to.
copypaste: OK done. I'll go run that rebuild now. https://8ch.net/pol/
assbot: /pol/ - Politically Incorrect ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2CmOD )
copypaste: Thanks mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: o sheeit look at that :D
trinque: the idea that human action inside a monetary system will reflect the incentives/disincentives of that
mircea_popescu: mike wakes up, checks stats, is all o.O gets excited, comes here, says so before reading the log, then we link him to this k ?
mircea_popescu: trinque human freedom is a very limited thing, after all.
trinque: yep
trinque: sort of like "will steam engines be used" -> "yes, after all, they exist"
trinque: works out when considering the context the second statement is made within
trinque: gunpowder
trinque: so on
trinque: so what did I have a problem with...
trinque: it was that there's nothing to act upon within "bitcoin is bitcoin"
trinque: but I suppose so what.
trinque: sounded a bit like "after all, we're the Romans"
decimation: my cable modem 'received an update' as soon as I plugged it into the cable network. even though I owned the modem, I had absolutely no say or ability to stop the install
decimation: we did docsis once here before, it's a 'walled garden'
trinque: it's strange and a bit exciting to think that a single human can do something which then becomes almost *environmental* to the others
mircea_popescu: trinque which is directly why i said that bit about http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-151.0-157.105
assbot: Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2CTQT )
mircea_popescu: and i'm not entirely sure the meta-universe is open to you at all. there isn't any space for you to "Act upon" in this enlightened, gender savvy, "i am an actor in a movie and i read the script" sense.
mircea_popescu: all you got is what you got. your wot, your job, your wife, your boxen etc.
mircea_popescu: copypaste btw you gotta rate me too!
copypaste: Oh, of course :D
copypaste: Let me finish rebuilding these boards, it's a pain in the ass to do it manually...
mircea_popescu: no rush.
mircea_popescu: and write a script!
menahem: i don't know whats up - but links to selections aren't working for me. they were at first, but not anymore.
decimation: one thing that occured to me about the 'wot concept' is that one benefits by having your wot intersect your 'enemies' wot
copypaste: i did ;)
mod6: this is bizzare. i can only get the ssh keys to work /after/ I set a password on the user acount on the instnace (in /etc/shadow). if the user doesn't have a password set, just asks for a pw when connecting. (gentoo uclibc hardened) am i missing something obvious?
trinque: mircea_popescu: selection thing isn't working, last paragraph?
decimation: and that being that 'intersecting person' is probably a valuable position
copypaste: foreach ($config['banned_ad_boards'] as $i => $b) { echo "php rebuild.php --board $b\n"; }
copypaste: then pipe that to bash
copypaste: :p
decimation: mod6: is it an issue with pam?
mircea_popescu: heh. everyone : try the location thing again nao ?
decimation: authentication is tricky business
mod6: decimation: hrm. could be i guess. i'll check into that.
mircea_popescu: decimation i would imagine the larger it gets, the more useful it is.
mircea_popescu: as many times discussed, it's not about the points.
mircea_popescu: Server Load0.03 heh i dun think this will be a problem
decimation: no, but it is not likely that wot structure would be uniform either
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131078 << more generally, as long as they pay to play like everyone else, they should be able to play just like everyone else. why not.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:19:52; danielpbarron: i don't have a problem with USG getting 1/3 of all the bitcoin; the can only spend it once
mircea_popescu: how is a derpy usg with delusions of separation and self importance different or better from the numerous groups of derpy miners with similar delusions that came and went over the years ?
mircea_popescu: who totday remembers them all even.
decimation: I find it terribly unlikely that any formal usg employee is mining bitcoin
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131084 << currently, cn is actually ahead as far as this thing goes.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:20:29; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu will probably suggest that cn, ru, etc. will follow suit with -their- tv boxes
mircea_popescu: ru is entirely fucktarded, which amazes me.
mircea_popescu: but they're barely a player.
mircea_popescu: maybe because bitcoin doesn't run right on windows, who knows.
decimation: it does seem likely that someone in the world has an interest in cuckolding infrastructure
menahem: decimation i was told that canadian gov employees were mining bitcoin. however, when i asked about pools and block rewards, they had no idea what I was talking about. so... it definitely seems highly unlikely.
cazalla: i vaguely recollect someone was using the machines at the ABC (gov owned tv channel) to mine bitcoin back around 2011
decimation: it's possible someone is using infrastructure for a private purpose, but I can't imagine it is officially sanctioned
cazalla: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/secret-money-abc-virtual-currency-racket-probe-20110623-1ggp6.html there we go.. so technically australia gov first and bestest miner
assbot: Secret money: ABC virtual currency racket probe ... ( http://bit.ly/1cyIvkB )
cazalla: guy didn't get sacked either
decimation: usg's style is to seize someone's bitcoin and put it in their vault
cazalla: decimation, sorta what i was thinking in regards to double spending.. why would they need to do it when they can just pay you and steal it back
cazalla: although i guess just because such scam would work on me is not evidence it'd work on everyone
copypaste: mircea_popescu: you have your first fans https://8ch.net/b/res/2684297.html
assbot: /b/ - new ads? ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2DOR8 )
cazalla: gee that didn't take long for people to accuse copypaste of being mircea_popescu
copypaste: mircea_popescu: you should probably put target="_blank" on the ad <a> tag so it poens in a new tab
copypaste: one guy said it didn't work
copypaste: "Blocked loading mixed active content "http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/"[Learn More]"
menahem: "Into the adblock filter it goes." lol, these people blocking some of the most valuable info they could possibly get. as MP calls it - missed opportunity.
menahem: though I must admit, I did the same thing once.
mircea_popescu: copypaste lolz
mircea_popescu: ah doing yes.

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