BingoBoingo of all things wants land in USia capable of growing serious onions, for the only reason that onion futures in USia are banned
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is it with the koreans and killing people with antiaircraft guns.
mod6: Alright I've got a Gentoo AMD64 uclibc hardened booted successfully. I basically just had a few minor tweaks to make to the notes; i.e., uclibc version doens't install grub by default, there is no /etc/locale.gen by default. That kinda thing.
mod6: I'm having a bit of ssh pubkey auth issues again.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00025621 = 5.5469 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:09:20; decimation: williamdunne: it's not that I'm a hater on asian folk, just that it doesn't have a distinct 'englishness' anymore
mod6: anyone know if service starts up on its own in the uclibc version?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> is this the effect of the rambo series ? << Yes
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:08:53; trinque: I'll just stick the thing on trinque.org and then you guys can make your own decisions re: newsworthiness
BingoBoingo: As far as lower Korea is concerned they beat the Chicoms by having anti aircraft guns entrenched mostest
mircea_popescu: im not even sure wtf anti aircraft guns are supposed to even do anymore.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:08:53; trinque: I'll just stick the thing on trinque.org and then you guys can make your own decisions re: newsworthiness
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo just saying, once he publishes it on his blog, that's that, no qntra.
decimation: mircea_popescu: the reason distinctness and stupidity are married is because social democracy sucks anyone with half a brain out of his native soil and places him in bureaucracy
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> im not even sure wtf anti aircraft guns are supposed to even do anymore <<Anti-personelle duty fron the aim impoverished.\
decimation: the wehrmacht made good use of their 88mm guns for a variety of purposes
mircea_popescu: it may also be that distinctness is a flavour of tradition, and no tradition survived ww2.
mod6: awe crap, might have missed `rc-update add local default`. aight one more try here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: incorrect. from these figures alone << then they're not terribly useful figures are they :D
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo just saying, once he publishes it on his blog, that's that, no qntra. << Sure. Maybe it is a congitive bias of myself, but I assume persona; wordfests would always get the best Tips and Tricks (TM firstest)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105827 @ 0.00025841 = 27.3468 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the sluts in question <<< doesn't change the fact that the sentiment was genuine.
mircea_popescu: im pretty certain more russians identify with a femen-centered-reality than with a stalin centered one.
mod6: * rc-update: local already installed in runlevel `default'; skipping << hmm.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 224100 @ 0.00025153 = 56.3679 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137512 @ 0.00026012 = 35.7696 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: have to pick it up tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: "assumes that usa will occupy self with same army - and same aimlessness - with which it occupied iraq. this is not a proven fact." << lemme guess... they have a meta army in reserve, just haven't been using it because reasons ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform: "assumes that usa will occupy self with same army - and same aimlessness - with which it occupied iraq. this is not a proven fact." << lemme guess... they have a meta army in reserve, just haven't been using it because reasons ? << Nah, most "officers" same just Iraw army aged out
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:39:27; asciilifeform: decimation: the official story not only does not add up, but wtf, they killed all of the witnesses (own soldiers) in 'training accidents' aha.
mircea_popescu: guy, if he has any sense, will go "hey, you kill me - they kill you."
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:44:37; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i would dearly like to learn the context for this picture ^
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, he linked to articles mentioning a Vancleef who was the same Vancleef in the CFTC hearings
BingoBoingo: Still God only knows if that is the same Vancleef who noised up here back in the day
decimation: now those monets can't be kept in some basement somewhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 399900 @ 0.00025131 = 100.4989 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: one cop that could shoot accurately was infinitely more effective at 'stopping terrorists' than hundreds of thousands of security bureaucrats
mircea_popescu: decimation mostly quoted for the "A Romanian forensic expert at work in a laboratory at the National History Museum in Bucharest." running... windows.
decimation: heh, probably most such laboratories run windows
decimation: because that's what their fancy machines use
decimation: heh that's lulzy - it is the 'windows fax and media viewer'
mircea_popescu: with experts such as these, we hardly need brutish peasants anymore.
decimation: "Referring to the Dogarus, Mr. Oberlander-Tarnoveanu said, "It seems they were not very honest, because apparently a lot of members of the family had a long judicial history."
decimation: from the earlier podcast "Again, if you accept my proposition that the object of the museum enterprise is for people to be engaging with art rather than for museums to be possessing art, then I think all of these questions come to the surface, and that they are real possibilities once we understand how much enormous wealth has been accumulated and isn't being put to use."
decimation: note the difference between merely possessing and engaging - "Yeah I have a chunk of that roman temple, it's my birdbath"
mircea_popescu: it seems to me the height of stupidity. "people" have specifically no business "engaging" with art.
mircea_popescu: they've "engaged" with literature, and it was to everyone's detriment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72100 @ 0.0002603 = 18.7676 BTC [+]
decimation: heh. well if you zoom out to the big picture - there is no 'optimal' distribution of art if you define 'optimal' as 'turns peasants into people'
decimation: the layers of pretense wrapped up in the 'art' market are amusing
mircea_popescu: there is this very ridiculous animism at work, whereby somehow "art" is objectively beautiful, and beauty is somehow objectively good, which makes it you know, turn lions to lambs.
decimation: rich folk pretend they have taste, 'art people' pretend they are somebodies, hedge fund managers pretend they are 'investing'
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the purpose of art is much simpler : the mob is illiterate, and art is the single letter alphabet catering to all its needs : "THIS IS WHY YOU ARE SCUM". that's the only sentence that needs to be expressed.
decimation: cities pretend they have culture, schools pretend to education. all because some derp scribble some shit on a canvas
mircea_popescu: and that's why revolution -> looting versailles is such an automatism
mircea_popescu: and why the "golden toilets" propaganda bits of contemporaneity.
decimation: because when the san qulot saw the fancy paintings they knew in their hindbrain that they were inferior?
mircea_popescu: no, because they had spent their lives with the "you are inferior because versailles" mantra
mircea_popescu: so once they decided to no longewr be inferior they had to do SOMETHING about this
mircea_popescu: there really is no objective anything in aesthetics. what hindbrains.
mircea_popescu: is that up top a frigian gynecologist's cap with candles ?
decimation: heh there are amusing layers here > "In 1854, when sculptor Thomas Crawford was preparing models for sculpture for the United States Capitol, Secretary of War Jefferson Davis (later to be the President of the Confederate States of America) insisted that a Phrygian cap not be included on a Statue of Freedom, on the grounds that "American liberty is original and not the liberty of the freed slave". "
decimation: usians have mostly forgotten about it, even though it apparently is on the seal of the us senate
decimation: is argentina going to slide into socialist morass like brazil and mexico?
mircea_popescu: no. brazil and mexico are actually developped economies and so forth.
mircea_popescu: they used to export meat, but failed to meet the quotas, lost the contracts, are now exporting soy.
mircea_popescu: argentina is headed to go look for chad, not for brazil.
decimation: it's amusing that the supposed flower of germany's exiles haven't seem to have underped argentina
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167950 @ 0.00025116 = 42.1823 BTC [-]
copypaste: i own 8ch.net. i was here before, maybe when it was called 8chan.co, on a different nick.
decimation: I bet the majority of argintina's 'raw materials' exports are extracted by foreign corporations
copypaste: yes, that's the name people have given me ;)
mircea_popescu: copypaste you know it'd be a great idea to make and register a gpg identity, that way you won't have to lose your identity
cazalla: copypaste, i like ben garrison's drawing of you
cazalla: can you lick your elbow for us here btw?
copypaste: yes i was here to do that after reading some of your blogs. i really like the recent one about argentina
copypaste: you said that no one is anyone in bitcoin if they aren't in the WoT so I came around to attempt to become someone
cazalla: copypaste, you should BingoBoingo about all the hottie pinos you're banging
copypaste: OK. I did !register but !up tells me I have to have a certain rating to !up
copypaste: I don't see any other way to verify though
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.copypaste.1:6a39e2875f7495615b8265fa1f1f6054353e1a308551b3c4a80dae745ff74ed8
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for copypaste with note: Presumably, 8chan owner
copypaste: gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 16B8E32E
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.copypaste.1:a6902919995628c0c68869bfdf8c7522fa21bd81a50d0776b7f7799f4cc9b42e
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for copypaste with note: Rolling fury
copypaste: 01:31:43 copypaste !register 6F12EC72A82ABCA35235063A10DDC983901AA183
mircea_popescu: [tonick] => copypaste [tokey] => 6f12ec72a82abca35235063a10ddc983901aa183
BingoBoingo still soliciting bids on decade old Iris rhizomes in purple, yellow and gold as well as white common daisy rhizomes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 440968 @ 0.00026023 = 114.7531 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: !rate copypaste 1 prolly JIDF but anyway
copypaste: I understand. I thought you were telling me how to verify, sorry.
BingoBoingo: copypaste: It is a cognitive hiccup we all hit nao
mircea_popescu: ok, so now : what would you want to push the "Welcome to 8chan," text to the right on 8chan, and sell me the center there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157100 @ 0.00026003 = 40.8507 BTC [-]
copypaste: forever, haha. what would the text be?
copypaste: Yeah. Most people just bookmark their favorite board or whatever.
mircea_popescu: the idea being that i'd just rotate banners, whatever they might be.
cazalla: !v assbot:cazalla.rate.copypaste.1:3cabd5a51fac525d743abba6bdd058dd0c0a75bdb94cde95251c51e58e81e598
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for copypaste with note: prolly JIDF but anyway
mircea_popescu: cazalla incidentally, i was reading about some anti-racist association thingee. was good for a lol.
copypaste: Well, it is a real organization too.
copypaste: But it's not known if they actually post on 4/8chan.
cazalla: pretty sure they posted on 4chan but prob not near as much as claimed
mircea_popescu: o, wait, cause there's this jews imageboard meme, rite.
copypaste: Ahh. That's not an ad banner, it's a board banner.
copypaste: They're set by whoever creates the board.
copypaste: Ad banners are above the post form
copypaste: On 404 pages, and on catalog pages. Yeah.
mircea_popescu: ugly whiter Pirate Center Fast Torrent Downloads Download Movies Music Games & Software Free & FAST pirate.center" thing ?
cazalla: copypaste, so is it copypaste? i figured it was hotwheels for real
BingoBoingo thinking everyday a proboxing fight for my 40th birthday is more realistic
copypaste: cazalla: I am hotwheels for real, how would you like me to verify that?
cazalla: wasn't sure if you call yourself hotwheels or just others
mircea_popescu: copypaste ok, so how much do "anonymous-ads" pay you for that spot ?
copypaste: It was abysmal before I contacted the owner. Then he paid me 0.01BTC for yesterday.
copypaste: Still pretty abysmal, but it was even worse before.
mircea_popescu: i''ll payt you 1 btc upfront for the first month and you give it to me, exclusive. no other ads on 8chan
cazalla: copypaste, ah ok got it, wasn't questioning if you are who you claim to be btw
copypaste: I'm not even getting paid for that Coinbase link ;) 4free
mircea_popescu: copypaste i write you a rotator script, you just pull that in ?
copypaste: mircea_popescu: Some boards don't have a-ads. The agreement with the hosting company is that for some boards, they put their own ads, but I don't know how much those make. In turn they don't send me a bill.
copypaste: I can put it on all the a-ads boards, but if I made it exclusive for you for the whole site, I'd need to find a new host.
BingoBoingo: I guess BTC-ISP will have to fish a new client...
copypaste: $config['banned_ad_boards'] = array('b','furry','cuteboys','hebe','erp','loli','hentaikey4','younglove','r9k','ssft','deutsch','bbw','r','rule34','100l','hentaikey4','kong','lit','baphomet');
copypaste: No, he gets all of them except the listed ones.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Baphomet is the devil board that doxxed the evil Judge Forrest
mircea_popescu: so basically host gets all teh good ones is the idea ?
copypaste: !v assbot:copypaste.up:a83b0e7626cd435b725ff2f5cf9273e420a71a9f1d84305e3c58401f4b8c0acb
copypaste: /cuteboys/ is also in the top 25. Rank 10 I think.
copypaste: Basically he doesn't like porn boards.
copypaste: /b/ is the second most popular board on the site.
copypaste: Or, the derps (sorry to steal your word) in charge still have ignored me and haven't added SSL support
BingoBoingo: copypaste: Basically everyone here has weird browser settings and compile flags
copypaste: One of them has a 10TB RAID6 for all the media.
BingoBoingo: copypaste: Discrete machines, VPS cores, or rack units
mircea_popescu: and so your host gets /pol/ but can't be arsed to put advertising on it fo real ?
copypaste: If you visit it on non-
https it will work. Like I said, they are hard to deal with. They told me "new ad code by the end of May".
copypaste: Also most of the ads are in Japanese.
copypaste: As I said, they're incompetent so it doesn't work over HTTPS.
copypaste: That's really what it comes down to.
copypaste: And they can't be assed to fix it until end of May, apparently.
copypaste: Oh yeah, that's a local ad for here.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you're getting 7 servers including expensive raid arrangements for the ads you should prolly stick to that deal. i doubt the advertising value of what seems like 15 maybe 20k uniques past 72 hours could support that.
copypaste: Indeed. And if you want any of the a-ads boards I can do that too.
mircea_popescu: course, since they seem to just be burning the americas market... maybe ask them if they'd be willing to split it like that ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35243 @ 0.00025116 = 8.8516 BTC [-]
copypaste: I can do that. They told me that if people email me about ads on boards they have ads on (/pol/, /v/) I should accept it and tell them.
copypaste: I get email occasionally about putting ads on /v/.
copypaste: So in reality I'll pay them most of what you give me, but you still get your ad.
copypaste: And I can remove the Coinbase/localbitcoins thing as well
copypaste: Indeed. Since I'm the main email ( admin@8chan.co ) I get most ad inquiries anyway
mircea_popescu: alright, well, let's see this, gimme then the a-ads set + pol + v, and i
mircea_popescu: aite, effective in a coupla days once i get the rotator in place ?
copypaste: I can implement it as soon as you're ready by adding /pol/, /v/ and /i/ to the banned_boards thing and then changing the ad code.
copypaste: Addy is 1LMWkmYpPNXLr9SKHXtZvSrraEWTZtm5Wb
copypaste: Or 1PeYbcRaXTKGaCaRzRsPbfPXrQNc8Cfxkm . Doesn't matter.
mircea_popescu: aite. ideally you add this chan to your idle list and so i can just ping you when it's ready.
copypaste: Will do. It'll be the 117th channel I'm idling in :)
mircea_popescu: cazalla hey, wanna make a list of trilema articles that fit with 8chan ? and qntra idem.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97140 @ 0.00025244 = 24.522 BTC [+]
cazalla: not sure qntra has any specific to pol, they'd need an interest in bitcoin to begin with.. as for trilema, i'll have a hunt
copypaste: I've gotten some of them interested.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198350 @ 0.00026123 = 51.815 BTC [+] {3}
copypaste: Due to derps 8chan can only accept Bitcoin donations reliably.
copypaste: I've had to school many people in how to buy Bitcoin due to this.
cazalla: copypaste, fucking flattr eh
copypaste: Gratipay, Patreon. PayPal but that's a give in.
copypaste: PayPal blocked me for "hate speech"
copypaste: Patreon blocked me for "illustrated child pornograhy"
copypaste: mircea_popescu: It's not what I say. These peopole hold me accountable for what anonymous users do.
copypaste: They hold us accountable for the posts on the site as if we mdae them.
copypaste: They didn't cite any specific posts, PayPal at least.
cazalla: copypaste, that's family guy porn is illegal here, same with A cup sized titties in porn because can be somehow associated with pre-pubescent girls
cazalla: oh and squirting too.. banned
copypaste: That's why there's no web services running out of Aus.
copypaste: No forums or user generated content sites.
copypaste: "While we understand your commitment to free speech, we will not allow 8chan to continue using Patreon, as several boards facilitate the distribution of harmful content and activity, such as illustrated child exploitation imagery."
cazalla: well australian government says women can't squirt, doesn't exist and is in fact pissing and urination porn is forbidden
copypaste: I guess videotaping the pissing is illegal.
copypaste: You can still piss, just don't let a camera see.
cazalla: pissing and fucking at the same time on video or providing it for others to watch is illegal
mircea_popescu: like you know, take a girl out, fuck her, the piss on the cam.
copypaste: Or if you have sex in a public bathroom
copypaste: Call the cops on the operator of the camera.
cazalla: they'll arrest you for pissing in public
cazalla: we do and they run sting operations in alley ways to catch pissers
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> we do and they run sting operations in alley ways to catch pissers << Not a thing here yet
copypaste: Thanks mircea_popescu. Ping me with the ad code when it's ready
copypaste: lmao. That board literally has a map
copypaste: Where they put markers of themselves and ask to get fucked.
mircea_popescu: ahaha yeah. copypaste any womenz on 8chan as far as you know ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 203100 @ 0.00025365 = 51.5163 BTC [-] {5}
copypaste: They also sometimes post on /b/ for attention.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, how many article you want, tbh a lot of your content would be appealing to some of /pol/
copypaste: You laugh but we've gotten like 30 BTC from donations. Enough to buy a pass to trade on mpex.co! ;)
BingoBoingo: Well, as long as he can step away from the webs for a while
copypaste: Since unlike 4chan users create the boards
mircea_popescu: "If you donated to the Infinity Dev. Group over Flattr, it seems that they have turned into a scam and you should charge these conmen back immediately by contacting your financial institution. (I realize this includes my support key. I don't give a shit, flood their insecure bullshit report ticket in my name. I see no other way to prove it.) Reports are that they lost their PayPal account recently, and Flattr CEO and o
mircea_popescu: nly employee @bonq is ignoring all communication from me via their ticket system and Twitter. The icing on the cake is that they blocked me and three others for asking where the fuck 46.74 EUR went."
copypaste: Shitty Swedish corporation. They take 10% anyway.
copypaste: Service is abysmal. They're probably going under soon.
cazalla: similar shit to dwolla i think
copypaste: After Gratipay fucked with me I put them out of business, or close to it.
copypaste: I don't care enough to do the same to Flattr though.
copypaste: You can read my Twitter TL for how. One call to FinCEN and the CEO went full GLBSE
copypaste: "oh no, i need to do AML! the state is coming!"
copypaste: he then locked evreyone's balances
copypaste: And is only withdrawing if you prove your ID to him.
copypaste: I know. I've read a lot of your blog the past week. I wasn't around for that but that chat log, man. I could feel it.
BingoBoingo: Fucking Labcoin might have been close to peak lulz.
copypaste: "You have a welfare check" as proof of ID.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, Tyrone takes it and cashes it at the Persian liquor store
mircea_popescu recalls how happy egyptians were to drink his shitty scotch
cazalla: ah shit look at that, trilema has an article on drugstore cowboy
cazalla: fucking engrish.. can always tell i've had a day or 2 of heavy drinking when i type like that
cazalla: but anything on topic of feminism, socialism, money, jews, hitler, conservative values (vamp and marriage one would be a bit of an eye opener for some of em) would do well with the pol crowd
cazalla: actually was vamp and gays, right? marriage was another article from memory to show it's a bit of bullshit this conservative idea and all
copypaste: r/buttcoin will probably flip. I've noticed that the same trolls on r/GamerGhazi are on r/buttcoin.
BingoBoingo: copypaste: SJW/Socialist crossover is always real
mircea_popescu: except buttcoin is like the only readable reddit thing.
BingoBoingo: Thing is around these here parts we prefer /r/rbuttcoin to /r/bitcoin by miles
mircea_popescu: yeah. sukas just make better idiocy than random twerps.
BingoBoingo: Last spring I survived a testicular torsion with both testicles intact. It was far less painful than any consecutive set of reading by ANdreas Herpaderpalous
mircea_popescu: (a suka, of course, is one of the criminals that took stalin's deal and went into the army)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76900 @ 0.00024818 = 19.085 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i hadn't seen anything from him in a while, assumed i musta killed him or something.
mircea_popescu: mebbe intel just didn't figure he matters enough to mention anymoar.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He runs a startup nao called "Third Key Solutions" that serves other startups who wish to take on all the counterparty risk
mircea_popescu: what happeend to his hot o'reilly deal to become the blockchain technology's steve jobbs ?
BingoBoingo: I mean he signed with O'Reilly, not the huns
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79450 @ 0.00025576 = 20.3201 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: copypaste, play agar.io much?
cazalla: yeah same, i pitched it to these goys here but no interest
copypaste: i like you cazalla. I'm amazed anyone here ven knew who I was
copypaste: I just wanted to be someone in Bitcoin and took Mircea's advice :p
BingoBoingo: copypaste: I had no idea you were you until dat key
cazalla: you're like the new moot, the luke skywalker of chans who hopefully won't join the dark side like darth moot and get cucked same time
copypaste: moot is a pussy. can't believe he quit
cazalla: of course you do but i spent most of my time on 4chan prior to finding this place so ya know
BingoBoingo: copypaste: You know... in your next Conde Naste interview you have to mention this place as the center of Bitcoin and blacklist them when they leave that part out.
copypaste: BingoBoingo: I'll do my best. Journalists are notorious for ignoring half of what I say.
copypaste: I gave Ars very strict rules for interviewing me.
copypaste: Gawker also contacted me. I sent them the same rules and never heard back. lmao
BingoBoingo: copypaste: Thing is as you build power your rules will only get stricter
mircea_popescu: i don't believe in talking privately to people i don't personally know.
BingoBoingo: Anyways 11 year plan is going well, arranged a sparring partner for tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: "To our son, his excellency, Mr Barack Hussein Obama. I have said to you before, that even if Libya and the United States of America enter into a war, god forbid, you will always remain a son. Your picture will not be changed."
cazalla: i use to box ya know, and kick box
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Yeah, Iron pole in the backyard that at one point in history held the clothesline
cazalla: copypaste, this voz clan teaming up bullshit has me raging against agario tbh
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: 11 year plan. 29 now figure 40 I'll be ready to risk death in a ring
BingoBoingo: Gotta preak the metacarpals a bit to get them to heal stronger. Pole seems like an ideal target. As long as I don't break any bones all the way.
copypaste: cazalla: yeah HKG is bullshit too.
copypaste: It sucks even more that we have terrible lag to all the good servers.
copypaste: The new teams mode makes it sort of bearable amusingly. Because you can't pick your team, Voz has no power.
copypaste: The Asia servers still suck ass though.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, 12 months and you're set
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111156 @ 0.0002631 = 29.2451 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Nah, I drink and smoke. A decade sounds reasonable.
cazalla: copypaste, oceanic servers are generally ok from australia, i'd say lag is around 100-150ms
cazalla: and the new team mode is useless as people don't want to team up to face other teams, they're all asian and want to gang up on 1 person
cazalla: BingoBoingo, as much as i hate ciggs, the drinking is prob worse
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82146 @ 0.00026428 = 21.7095 BTC [+]
cazalla: i'd stop drinking but then i'd need another vice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110800 @ 0.00026443 = 29.2988 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00026443 = 12.3753 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74837 @ 0.00026443 = 19.7891 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38548 @ 0.00026428 = 10.1875 BTC [-]
cazalla: copypaste, will your condition affect your longevity?
copypaste: unknown. some say yes, some say no.
copypaste: i know of a lot of old people with the same condition from a Faecesbook group
cazalla: do ya have any general pain or just when you break something?
copypaste: i actually originally got into bitcoin when i heard you could buy pain pills with it. never got any pills, only ended up with lousy Bitcoins ;)
cazalla: tbh i only lurk 8ch besides the occasional shit post so if you've answered AMA type shit before, i'll go have a google
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cazalla: copypaste, hope that wasn't you i just ate in agario :P 8ch
assbot: /operate/ - à¸à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹ ... (
http://bit.ly/1bODDHi )
fluffypony: [09:31:28] <+cazalla>i'd stop drinking but then i'd need another vice <- like Miami?
copypaste: I have 600XMR. Only altcoin I've ever bought
copypaste: Don't have much faith in it but it's the only one that's even remotely promising
fluffypony: not sure it'll ever be much in the way of buy-and-hold-investment-worthy, but it's fun nonetheless
copypaste: i wonder if anyone would even buy a PoS cryptonote coin
fluffypony: the dude from BBR was trying to make one
copypaste: PoS looks too much like "piece of shit" for my tastes
fluffypony: plus it's fundamentally broken, no matter how they try manage the initial distribution
copypaste: Wealth always goes to the top in any system
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cazalla: copypaste, have you written about moving and living in the phillipines?
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assbot: Million Dollar Bitcoin Domain Name BTC.com Launches Bitcoin And Digital Currency Industry Portal - Bitcoinist.net ... (
http://bit.ly/1IxCZN8 )
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assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 08:56:30; copypaste: Don't have much faith in it but it's the only one that's even remotely promising
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc, "flopyy" ness is an arbitrary bit. you can set bios to think usb as floppies if you wish.
copypaste: they can't even use their CMS properly.
copypaste: I'm supposed to trust these twerps with anything?
copypaste: You get this greaet domain, btc.com
copypaste: And then you put your about page as "about-"
mircea_popescu: lol so garza bought btc.com and is now leasing it to random derps ? mkay.
copypaste: This is basically a domain squatter landing page except with a little more effort
copypaste: He puts "What is bitcion?" and "What is blockchain?" separately, as if they're different
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aws can definitely not be part of our canonical stuff huh.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: you'd think some people would learn their lesson having dealth with garza in the past but no << understand the rotinculo syndrome. they DO understand, but what exact alternatives they got ? it's either this or go home. they dun wanna go home, apparently there's a famine in hungary.
mircea_popescu: "virtualization seems to have a lot of security benefits." aha.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the thing is, theo gets it, but is so well fettered with "well meaning" yet "unrelated" idiots he can barely move.
mircea_popescu: keeping the ants at bay is any serious beetle's full time job.
mircea_popescu: by far the most notable point of utility of the wot to brilliant individuals is exactly this : breaks the traditional methods of anthill building.
mircea_popescu: but you will notice much greater men succumbed to this. it's really how empires end.
mircea_popescu: anyway, a good rule of thumb is, when the anon derps start talking about "security benefits", you know what it is.
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mircea_popescu: individual ants act in a blind fashion, but the ant layer acts systematically.
mircea_popescu: there's no requisite for a dram cell to know what it is holding in order for it to be holding it.
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mircea_popescu: "Anonymous (not verified) OpenBSD still exists? Too bad. The world would be better without security fanboys in general. There is more to the world than security."
mircea_popescu: "In my opinion, the main reason why Windows is still faster on the desktop is that most of their current GUI framework was built back in the days of Windows 95, and the framework is so fragile that it has stopped them from adding too many new features to bloat it further. Back in 1995, Microsoft was way more performance-conscious than the open source world in 2007, simply because the hardware was orders of magnitude sl
Naphex: For many of the affected virtualization products, a virtual floppy drive is added to new virtual machines by default. And on Xen and QEMU, even if the administrator explicitly disables the virtual floppy drive, an unrelated bug causes the vulnerable FDC code to remain active and exploitable by attackers.
Naphex: sorry, forgot the quotes
Naphex: floppy drives no longer usefull? turn em into backdoors
mircea_popescu: it's very sound, strategically. "who would bother to check"
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prince_nbingo: Dear Sir, can you please tell me where to acquire the bitcoin asses? I have a business proposal for you. I will present you as the beneficiary, and i will prepare all the legal documents and present to the bank on your behalf and the bank will then release and transfer the funds to your designated account. Please to be telling about where are the bitcoin asses, I need bitcoin asses.
danielpbarron: prince_nbingo, someone with your ip has joined #bitcoin and #bitcoin-dev with the nicknames Skaag and chax. Is that you?
mircea_popescu: im kinda curious to see what ru/cn feminism wil llook like once that happens.
mircea_popescu: if/when they get rich and successful, they'll have stupid kids.
Flerb_: Are most stock exchanges using bitcoin regulated properly?
mircea_popescu: those stupid kids will rehash the same old stupid, in their own terms, of course.
mircea_popescu: the aspies do it, of course, but they don't matter from what i've seen.
mircea_popescu: aspie [ short for aspirational ] would roughly be what they called "burgeois intellectuals" a century ago.
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Flerb_: Whatever happened to ASICminer, they were around when I last looked at bitcoin stuff.
mircea_popescu: the only ru kids i know that actually go for the entire western fucktardation are kids who got overeducated by mistake, but definitely have no chance in hell of ever sitting at the table.
mircea_popescu: so it's kind-of natural and meaningless that they'd go for it.
mircea_popescu: then again, i don't know that many ru kids, and so... might just be my narrow viewpoint
mircea_popescu: they mostly go to fuck the stupid anglo bitches, from what i can tell.
mircea_popescu: except russia doesn't want imf credit, for one ; and the gentleman can have a lot of sons.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this entire "send kids to oxbridge" meme is very novel, and it comes off the same trunk that made the "buy uk football teams".
mircea_popescu: no, not exactly. when the exploratory boom was at its peak.
mircea_popescu: the way people explored new bushes 50k years ago was sent children to eat them, see if they die.
mircea_popescu: the way people explore new bushes today is, send kids over, see what happens.
mircea_popescu: ah, the great days from before osama had sunk the us. back when ibm was actually making business machines.
mircea_popescu recalls the 31/32 bit thing could actually address an infinity of memory, in 2gb slicesa
mircea_popescu: "Like so many, I planned to do many things with this. But I never had the time. Now I don't have the ideas, either."
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trinque: I was wondering if I'd run across yet another thing that'd been done far earlier than I thought.
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trinque: asciilifeform: what do you think of a future cardano having two USB storage devices instead of one?
trinque: I was thinking you could connect two systems this way and still consider them gapped
trinque: gpg encrypted file goes into one of the storage devices, gets decrypted and written to the other device
trinque: because then I could control something connected to a computer remotely, and be sure that the machine controlling it was only accepting data from me
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That indigo is a good looking machine
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> anyway, this entire "send kids to oxbridge" meme is very novel, and it comes off the same trunk that made the "buy uk football teams". << i've always planned to hire tutors.
trinque: probably can't do that with your remote controlled blimp's controls
trinque: secure messaging solves the thing
trinque: reduces to a gossipd device maybe
trinque: the aspect of the membrane being implemented in hardware is appealing
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thestringpuller: in this room full of nerds, interesting comics are rarely discussed
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 06:18:53; cazalla: well australian government says women can't squirt, doesn't exist and is in fact pissing and urination porn is forbidden
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mircea_popescu: tbh, most of the "squirting" porn is actually urination.
mircea_popescu: not that women can't do it, but it's an intensive thing and the atmosphere on a porn set is not exactly conducive.
mircea_popescu: lol jgarzik has a point. the difference between krugman and kaminska is slight at best. i'm not even sure what exactly it would be, specifically.
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lobbes: 'There’s a fairness issue involved here.' << there's that 'fair' trope again
lobbes: whatever happened to 'life isn't fair'?
chetty: fair is the one word I might agree should be banned
trinque: the practical meaning these days is "we're going to beat more handouts out of the wealthy"
trinque: no need to ban the word though; bitcoin will reduce it to ridicule
trinque: "fair" may be one of the most narcissistic concepts in American "thinking"
trinque: that no matter the game, there is always an authority with the power to render it fair
trinque: whether this is life and death or the cost of your tank of gas
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trinque: it's easy to see that a culture which even considers "fair" a thing runs the risk of totalitarianism
trinque: "Both services often find it useful to engage in public feuds ‘to cover their asses’, as the retired official put it, but they continually share intelligence used for drone attacks, and co-operate on covert operations."
assbot: Britain is too tolerant and should interfere more in people's lives, says David Cameron - UK Politics - UK - The Independent ... (
http://bit.ly/1PH5OFv )
jurov: “For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone',”
jurov: to cry, or to laugh?
trinque: The package of powers, first proposed in March, would allow courts to force a person to send their tweets and Facebook posts to the police for approval.
trinque: jurov: I'm going with laugh
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trinque: they're children; even their totalitarian day-dreams amount to "uh uh you can't tweet mean things about us!"
trinque: "The president called Saudi Arabia a critical partner in the fight against Islamic State militants." << yes, I suppose making sure ISIS exists is critical to the fight against ISIS.
trinque: t4nk: you're polluting the channel with joins and quits; kindly cut it out.
Naphex: trinque: man you deserve op status, maybe you can kick one or two :))
Naphex: that kindly asking for stuff is so weka
trinque: eh I don't know about "deserve"
trinque: could probably be solved with some assbottery
kakobrekla doesn't actually see parts and joins though
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jurov: imo this is UI issue, irc clients should be able to maybe fold/unfold this, or filter repeated lines
jurov: kicking people should be absolutely last resort
jurov: poor Vexual now sitting every day outside before the gate, if someone drops a word or a bone
assbot: vexual is not registered in WoT.
jurov: but he's permabanned, too?
jurov: he can be !upped normally?
jurov: then maybe he prefers interviewing folks individually
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assbot: White House appoints NSA-criticizing computer scientist Ed Felten to key post | VentureBeat | Security | by Dylan Tweney ... (
http://bit.ly/1IBWNNP )
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trinque: that's forward thinking of the white house!
trinque: later they'll say they "embraced the debate" by hiring him
trinque: (tightly enough to choke it out)
jurov: well, it's more common than you think. had i myself not been here, i'd be easily swayed for an "opportunity to change things"
jurov: they would have hard time to rationalize the money if it was not connected to some do-gooding, moving and shaking
jurov: ah, i forget in murica it's impossible to have own roof in few years
trinque: lol, the houses around here are half a million or more
trinque: at least for strong definitions of "own roof"
trinque: so being a part of the NSA botnet goes from top secret to productized
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danielpbarron: i posted a comment to that freedom to tinker thing a couple days ago; it didn't get approved
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:47:09; asciilifeform: it'll work, too
trinque: asciilifeform: I'd expect some broken off appendage of the NSA to accumulate a sizable stash of coin even if the rest of the USG falls apart
pete_dushenski: because a few 'early adopters' will jump on board, burn their houses down, and the thing'll fizzle out
pete_dushenski: having 10 appliances running full-steam 24-7 will cost $1000/mo in electricity
trinque: so you just end up with a cryptoturd chip built into the intel processors, and you can't get other processors
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pete_dushenski: i doubt even 25% of mining profits will cover the electricity costs.
trinque: what consumer asks whats in his wifi router?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: burn down from having flammables near cable boxes, toasters, etc ?
trinque: and if you really need to ram it through, attach it to some "cybersecurity" bill
trinque: state-sanctioned crypto chip that happens to be able to mine
pete_dushenski: by the time they roll these out and get them into any appreciable number of homes, it'll look like trying to fight the nazis by arming every american with slingshots
pete_dushenski: "but if we have ENOUGH slingshots and they're government mandated"
trinque: eh I don't know about that
trinque: I'd like to think it, of course.
pete_dushenski: ok, so mebbe it doesn't burn houses down, and mebbe everyone has a half dozen of these chips wedged into their various appliances...
jurov: afaik it's so everywhere, nobody does streaming available for own hardware, i have asked
trinque: one must beware declaring victory early
jurov: "content protection" (from customer, i guess)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: mattering to hashrate, mattering to bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: sure, but this is hardly the way to go about it. even if it's all they've got left.
pete_dushenski: trinque: bitcoin declares victory until proven otherwise ;)
pete_dushenski: it's equally likely that 'conventional miners' will begin to curry favour with local governments
trinque: pete_dushenski: the declaration of a thing is not what makes it so
pete_dushenski: actually, sane local govs are undoubtedly already currying favour with miners
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 20:58:30; jurov: then maybe he prefers interviewing folks individually
pete_dushenski: trinque: depends entirely who it is making the declarative statements.
cazalla: jurov, because we don't tolerate drunken behaviour around these parts!
jurov: what if it do tolerate?
jurov: *what if I do tolerate?
cazalla: now as much as i love the ol' Vexual, i admit he does like to chat a lot and often makes no sense but by banning him, we now get to enjoy it on a more personal level via pm :P
trinque: pete_dushenski: "bitcoin is bitcoin" has no tactical content
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the stupid ones. the govs intent on slitting their own throats, sure.
trinque: of course bitcoin is bitcoin
trinque: what's done with either, who owns it, is the meat
jurov: asciilifeform yes that's what i'm asking.
cazalla: channel ban list is there for all to see anyway so why ask me
pete_dushenski: let's say that these things are hashing at even 1 gh/s
pete_dushenski: and that they manage to deploy 10 mn units within 12 months from today.
pete_dushenski: ok, so half of all subscribers in first year, one box per. aggressive but let's try it out.
pete_dushenski: so by this time in 2016 the usg has 10 mn gh/s at its disposal.
gribble: Current Blocks: 356304 | Current Difficulty: 4.7643398017803444E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 356831 | Next Difficulty In: 527 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 44 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48563574149.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.93138
trinque: they have that plus every computer they already had at their disposal
trinque: who will claim the NSA doesn't already have a metric shitload of potential hashing power to apply to this problem?
trinque: the consumer product could just be cover for it
trinque: well what I'm saying is they do both
pete_dushenski: best usb miner i recall was, what, 3 gh/s, maybe 5 gh/s
trinque: asciilifeform: sure "oh this is all from those newfangled crypto boxes"
pete_dushenski: so ok let's go with 20 gh/s per box, just for shits and giggles.
trinque: and they start using their SSL chewing boxes, or what have you
trinque: the idea that the whole USG is the decrepit post office is laughable
trinque: people would like it to be so
trinque: better if goliath has bad knees or whatever
trinque: as people would like their declarations alone to move reality
pete_dushenski: let's say hashrate increases 3-fold in next 12 months and we see that 200 mn gh/s is...
trinque: it's worth noting that anyone making declarations that come true is using his *power* to make them so
danielpbarron: can't it only end up benefitting bitcoin to have more hashing power? (regardless of who is adding it?)
trinque: danielpbarron: not if it's all remotely diddlable
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: basis is 1/10 of increase of 2014. seems reasonable to me.
danielpbarron: USG would have to further inflate the dollar to do that
trinque: "victory is inevitable" is what you tell the soldiers, sure
pete_dushenski: in any event, if the usg ends up with 18% of hashrate, albeit briefly, and throwing the kitchen sink at the the thing in the process, it would be about time they did something so productive.
trinque: that is not how generals speak to each other
danielpbarron: i thought the point of that essay was that bitcoin is the grand exception -- the cake that can't be taken
danielpbarron: i don't have a problem with USG getting 1/3 of all the bitcoin; the can only spend it once
pete_dushenski: each has 3 teeth, do they share them to make a bigger bite ?
jurov: asciilifeform: and where usg gets the extra terawatt?
jurov: (10mn appliances *100 watt)
jurov: but i keep hearing how the grid is in shabby condition
danielpbarron: the tv box miner must operate at a net loss (i get it the chump bears that cost, but eventually the wealth runs out ie: chump runs out of money)
pete_dushenski: all i know is that '21 inc' sure as fuck isn't disrupting my sleep ad libitum.
jurov: actually is the 100W heat needs to be A/C'd out, it may end up 300-400watt per one box!
danielpbarron: 51% attack is the most credible threat, and even then they can't FIATize bitcoin (they can't break the rules)
pete_dushenski: showing up to the train station when the steam engine is but a distant memory and the caboose is over the horizon, with no other train on the schedule, means you either start building your own train (blockchain teckmologee) or you stfu and go back to working the land.
danielpbarron: who would accept a transaction from USG ? and why should I feel sorry for them?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: who leads ? i dunno. doesn't israel have some chip fab facilities ? other than that, china.
trinque: I understand why people would want to think of the US as this fat, incapable beast that happened as some fluke
trinque: feels good, gives them what they deserve or whatever
jurov: asciilifeform: either your estimate expects 100W per household, or usd is not getting any significant poiece of cake
trinque: asciilifeform: this is practically the salvation myth
trinque: bitcoin's here so we can just wait on our salvation
trinque: I don't buy it for a second.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: my counter is that calc ^. so within 100 years, usg is as deadly as pirate or karpeles !
mircea_popescu: so this stunner chick is working in a clothes shop. one day a guy comes in, goes straight for her,
mircea_popescu: takes his cock out and asks "you got something to match this ?"
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: another problem with the "oh noes usg" card is that, as you well know, it's not monolithic. the infighting over any coins it gets its hands on will be considerable. and divisive.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 19:16:48; lobbes: 'There’s a fairness issue involved here.' << there's that 'fair' trope again
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 20:07:27; jurov: to cry, or to laugh?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: here's the test : within 12 months (or 12 years ?), the 'usg' will be unable to double-spend a bitcoin transaction.
jurov: asciilifeform: sry, my calculation is broken, it is 5W per 20 chips. but with the a/c and other overhead, can still be several times more
kakobrekla: there is always a chance for double spend, just a matter of how deep
jurov: i was asking about a grid, not about chumper
mircea_popescu: i can make a doublespend right now, what's to keep me ?!
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 20:25:33; Naphex: that kindly asking for stuff is so weka
jurov: btw, large lcd eats easily more than classic crt
jurov: who buys same size???
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 20:54:52; kakobrekla: i don't see a reason why not.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ok, then obtaining confirmations for said double-spend transaction ?
danielpbarron: i posted a link to chat through an "anonymous" twitter account named SWARMsecret
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116300 @ 0.00026986 = 31.3847 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:27:38; asciilifeform: re: l0ltr0n1cs: today i found out that ed felten (formerly 'freedom to tinker' blog, lawsuits against riaa, etc.) has been a usg stooge for several years now.
mircea_popescu: does usg-effective mean "bitcoin needs a decision making process which a) doesn't include mp as we've been pretending was the case all along and b) overrepresents us, as we've idem" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137500 @ 0.00026896 = 36.982 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: let's pretend nothing exists because marginal observations by 60s feminists.
mircea_popescu: dja know what stalin's representative told the romanian peace delegation after the war ?
mircea_popescu: it's not like, oh, i need something from him. i don't. he needs shit from me, in the future, and he won't get it, and the reason is exactly right here.
mircea_popescu: well, the romanians needed a peace that didn't consist of rape.
cazalla: not when they're the ones sending them
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently there's no russian note of this, at least on the web i see, but anyway : when patrascanu & co went to moscow to try and work out an armistice, molotov broke the drone with a very pointed "ce ati cautat la stalingrad ?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144150 @ 0.00027116 = 39.0877 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: hm i guess my hypothesis is that usg won't claim enough of remaining unmined btc to throw a wrench in the individual sovereignty of those in #b-a.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 296000 @ 0.00026808 = 79.3517 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aside the fact that deletant is pretty much a color revolutions expert in history rewriting, sure.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61520 @ 0.0002676 = 16.4628 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: "And for the love of technology, please set up a strong passcode." << what strong 4-digit passcode ?
danielpbarron: iPhone can be reprogramed to use a longer password
trinque: probably wherever it was auctioned
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: what's your take on 21 and their race to toasterise mining ?
trinque: business insider is a shitty rag
trinque: as is the whole category of such "news" outlets
trinque: the marketing side bleeds into the content side if there ever was such a distinction in the first place
assbot: Procedures in experimental physics : Strong, John Donovan : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... (
http://bit.ly/1K76vtz )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124450 @ 0.00027157 = 33.7969 BTC [+]
cazalla: my missus is not too bad with that, has been doing lampworking for like a decade
cazalla: i'd rather move her kilns and tanks into the garage and turn that room into a computing space tbh though lol
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 19:27:50; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050103 << don't be ridiculous. for one thing, commodizing asic mining is a larger task than commodizing cpu arch. for the other, they're a fucking sv corp, they're not going to DO ANYTHING. just sit around and talk about shit. preferably at "conferences", or else "liveblog" it.
cazalla: nah as in beads, paperweights, blown etc
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 12:22:05; *: Adlai desperately hopes that '21' are trying to commoditize asic mining, rather than just another mining ktulu
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 23:16:02; mircea_popescu: toaster is kinda dumb, but ceramic tiles for warm floor is worth doing.
pete_dushenski: 21 will still plunk their chips in vcr's because of install costs for customer
BingoBoingo: With the power consumption of most cable boxes an extra 20-40 watts would probably go unnoticed by consumer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90250 @ 0.00027205 = 24.5525 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, bitches on facebook. Wonders what could have went wrong.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski they didn't do their homework at all. they're a very easy target for the "eco" lobby, and will be murdered as they can't afford to pay those leeches.
mircea_popescu: but whatever, i'm not here to provide strategic consultancy for free to "the titans of sv". fuck them sideways, they can go hire harlan ellison to do that.
mircea_popescu: whatever, they want consultancy, they can court me like any other whore.
trinque: any consumer product derpage would just be cover for turning on whatever computing power the NSA has at its disposal
trinque: I mean this assumes whatever sub-groups within the thing haven't been mining on their botnets for years
trinque: there are guys inside the beast not nearly as foolish as that Force guy
trinque: that's it; the price of eggs and poultry is going to do the USA in for good
jurov: they will import (unwashed! what horror) eggs from elsewhere
jurov: and find it surpprising for qntra, too
BingoBoingo: Things that adversely impact the utility of the USD is totally qntra
jurov: so... bitcoin price per egg is expected to stay constant?
jurov: oh i get it, it's litecoin
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform aws can definitely not be part of our canonical stuff huh. << agreed. i'll continue to get my sea-legs with what I've got so far, but what we end up supporting in the end will be a gentoo on a bare-rails environment. unless any objections?
danielpbarron: maxwell, didn't you register a key under the nickname mxtm?
seraminta: i was told by my friend dan to come here
seraminta: someone please teach me about this i am ready
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.mxtm.1:56b85c7ae290407ae089b8d262533fa748f89fd5322d85884cecb4882e22d744
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for mxtm with note: a kid who lives in Boston and likes languages
mxtm: fuck, this pi case is really tight
BingoBoingo: First step to learn Bitcoin is to put shoe on head, in private, and balance it there for much time. Teaches discipline necessary to Bitcoin.
trinque: BingoBoingo: then you chant "bitcoin is bitcoin" in the mirror each night
BingoBoingo: seraminta: Nah, not shoe on head for camera, shoe on head to teach balance and focus.
BingoBoingo: trinque: yes, while looking at agricultural price trends for the past two decades
trinque: lol, yes he comes to increase your block size
BingoBoingo: seraminta: It is to increase your ability to say no to bad ideas
danielpbarron: there may be miners in here, but it's not limited to that
trinque: that is actually a very apt description of the medicinal effect of #b-a
trinque: seraminta: before trying to acquire bitcoins you will want to educate yourself on both them and the technical considerations around keeping them
trinque: the logs here are indeed the best way to do that
seraminta: can yall just educate me on how to get that money tho....
trinque: as are the various associated blogs
mxtm: well you can trade for it
mxtm: for traditional fiat currencies
mxtm: or you can get paid in it in exchange for services, goods, etc
trinque: seraminta: what interests you in them?
mxtm: i'm more of the trader type
danielpbarron: seraminta, you have been given many suggestions; repeating yourself will not yield a positive outcome
williamdunne: seraminta: How do you earn dollars? Would you like us to specify every position available on the McDonalds' team?
danielpbarron: if you straight up just want some coin, I can sell it to you in person; just hand me cash
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.51, Best ask: 236.63, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 236.51, 24 hour volume: 29052.82160197, 24 hour low: 234.22, 24 hour high: 245.0, 24 hour vwap: None
gribble: BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.468966, Best ask: 235.48187, Bid-ask spread: 0.01290, Last trade: 235.467353, 24 hour volume: 61772.47790000, 24 hour low: 233.4011, 24 hour high: 244.75662, 24 hour vwap: 241.381998979
mxtm: where are you located, seraminta?
copypaste: You'll get a lot of clicks from that from our users most likely.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima add more etc, but doesn't need to bother you.
mircea_popescu: o also! anyone with a scooped blog can make himself a banner, hit me up with it.
williamdunne: Because different countries have different trading systems..
trinque: from there click links, or ask questions here
mxtm: seraminta: well then ofc you can just do cash in person w/ danielpbarron here
mxtm: cash in mail is also a good option especially for "off the books" type stuff
BingoBoingo: Station wagon full of cash also works for larger purchases
mxtm: and or a large box of cash
mxtm eyes the boxes in the closet he would never be able to fill
trinque: or a box of cash within which there are several boxes of cash
mxtm: i have all of these priority mail boxes and free tape now
BingoBoingo: Nah, station wagons has always been the premier unit of data transfer and what is money, but data on who doesn't suck
mxtm: semen also transfers lots of data quickly
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: In some places delivery services are still the most cost effective way of transporting web data
BingoBoingo: mxtm: Not really. only encoded with 4 letter character set. T, C, A, G
williamdunne: I can remember a while ago a calculation being done that it was cheaper to have a 120gb SSD filled with data shipped to Canada than it was to download onto your existing drive
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you know you gotta let people publish their own pics.
danielpbarron: i took that pic, it is my own. but i'll keep that in mind for future reference
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron and since we're doing future references : you don't want a 20% of empty sky and cut calves.
mircea_popescu: the human body has some permissible cuts, and the calves aren't it. if you don't cut the neck, the next is the torso, between lower rib and belly button, and if you don't cut that you don't cut anything.
mircea_popescu: random lulz : in the 70s, romania was doing a very argnetine-like autarky thing. making local whisky, local everything. including local gin, which was made at covasna,
cazalla: doesn't seem anyone wants to bang #3
cazalla: nothing forgiving about 1 out of 5 girls wearing jeans at the beach
cazalla: fwiw, i'd bang all 5 but only admit to 2 or maybe 3 of em
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:32:00; asciilifeform: this fella used to be the 'genuine article'
mircea_popescu: "Be wary of one-time pads and other crypto unicorns" vbwghahgahaha
mircea_popescu: you know, these schmucks have nothing of the quality of schmuckdom in the soviet times.
mircea_popescu: just as many poltrons then, but really, a lot more style.
mircea_popescu: mebbe. tho i dun think so. not that i have any serious basis for it.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:45:12; asciilifeform: 'By the time its chips were to be embedded into Internet of Things (IoT) devices, 21 projected its cost to produce 1 BTC could be as low as $7.45.' << somebody does not grasp difficulty factor ?
mircea_popescu: it's like you're expecting to find flesh under a stand-up cut-out of angelina jolie.
mircea_popescu: maybe they're doing it in supersecret, but so far, on the balance of intelligence, it's just gift of gab.
mircea_popescu: there's oregon, arizona new mexico, some secret and some offshoire locations
williamdunne: The trilema rotator works on neither of my computers :/
williamdunne: On the other I get a very quick flash of the no image logo, which then disappears
williamdunne: 03:11:47.553 The character encoding of the HTML document was not declared. The document will render with garbled text in some browser configurations if the document contains characters from outside the US-ASCII range. The character encoding of the page must be declared in the document or in the transfer protocol.1 rotator.php
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 207363 @ 0.00027095 = 56.185 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: yeah well. it's supposed to go into a diff page, with its own declarations, and it uses no glyphs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you understand the qty of engineering involved.
mircea_popescu: yes, they'll have this in five years. the effort required to do it in a year ? you'd hear.
mircea_popescu: it seems like your browser supplies it somehow ? the source has no class spec.
mircea_popescu awaits the 500 verilog lines gpu and the 2200 lines cpu to be released by intel soon=ish, totally busting the market.
trinque: williamdunne: you using adblock?
mircea_popescu: trinque you figure it actually blocks an image wrapped in an url ? that's almost all of em ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Rotator and banner are probably both keywords
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform miner without a node ? miner without any security w/e ?
copypaste: mircea_popescu: Do you wanat it put up now?
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:55:40; pete_dushenski: by the time they roll these out and get them into any appreciable number of homes, it'll look like trying to fight the nazis by arming every american with slingshots
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:58:34; jurov: afaik it's so everywhere, nobody does streaming available for own hardware, i have asked
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeh tittydrip works :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 20mn users x 20 watts = doubling the current hash power. /me is unimpressed.
copypaste: trilema.com is using a self-signed cert
copypaste: it won't work correectly because most of our requests are served over HTTPS
copypaste: mircea_popescu: No, but most browsers won't allow HTTP in HTTPS pages.
copypaste: I can keep it at HTTP but "Content Security Policy" in Firefox and Chrome will block it.
copypaste: If it's on an HTTPS page. It'll only work on HTTP pages.
copypaste: I'm not sure I understand your proposal
copypaste: It won't work with the iframe method. I would need the source code of that file and run it on 8chan's server
copypaste: Because the iframe still refers to the plain HTTP trilema.com :(
copypaste: If you have any domain with a valid HTTPS cert you could use that
mircea_popescu: can you give me a ftp user in a subdir on your server and run it from there ?
copypaste: I see, it makes sense. Unfortunately browser vendors have been very difficult about this lately.
copypaste: Sure, that will work. You'll lose out on some stats stuff though that you could get by running it on your server
mircea_popescu: well alternatively you could just import the php from my server into your page
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Pretty clear those are sporting equipment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 269587 @ 0.00027003 = 72.7966 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28613 @ 0.00027215 = 7.787 BTC [+]
cazalla: find out soon, i rang their contact centre and they said they'd email the images
copypaste: I wonder if I could just proxy from your trilema.com PHP script
copypaste: And also send you the real user's IP so you get stats.
copypaste: This has the added benefit of bypassing uBlock.
copypaste: Which is the new vogue of adblocking software. It blocks crcossorigin requests.
copypaste: Yep. Only one with PKI BS will be us, hehe.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: One's clealy a lever action, the other one appears to be a Ruger 10/22 (judging off of the magazing they laid on the OTHER SIDE of the levergun)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you gotta appreciate, the usg is not the only one mining, nor has it been. at this point, the deployment you contemplate might allow it to catch up, but won't do much more than that.
BingoBoingo: Really the sort of thing Australia needs more of considering their rabbit problem
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:15:06; trinque: danielpbarron: not if it's all remotely diddlable
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:17:26; asciilifeform: possibly even pegged to usd.
mircea_popescu: st thomas comes riding a flaming horse made out of female virgin saint asses
mircea_popescu: shooting psalms out of their assholes at the unbelievers.
trinque: mircea_popescu: what's your read of the exchange between pete and myself; I was hearing circular logic (no offense to pete)
trinque: specifically that 'bitcoin is bitcoin' is a reason in itself
trinque: my response might be "well, why fucking bother with a WoT" for example
mircea_popescu: i think that argument holds water, to a large degree. recall the "bitcoin pervers the nsa" discussion with alf maybe a year ago ?
trinque: that it pulls apart non-aligned organizations?
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 02:55:36; asciilifeform: (and it would have to fall on a different continent entirely)
copypaste: Oh yeah. Please use the b64 version like before
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2014 18:18:59; mircea_popescu: today at nsa headquarters, "sir, i would like to apply for permission to spend 10bn usd dollars in btc equivalent by dumpting our stash"
copypaste: I didn't notice the different URL, sorry ;)
copypaste: OK. I'm going to embed that now. I hope it behaves well under load. Time will tell
copypaste: I stuck it on all the boards. 8chan uses a style of rebuilding where a new post rebuilds a thread on a board
copypaste: I have to force rebuild the boards we agreed to
copypaste: For it to show on all threads and indexes
mircea_popescu: trinque essentially, an application of "bitcoin is bitcoin" is what sunk gavin. they still mostly can't believe it happened, but it did. it will again. in practice, you either implement a broken, pared down version of bitcoin, in which case bitcoin defeats you, or else you implement a correct version, in which case... you've implemented bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: this thing cuts a lot more universally than one'd reasonably expect, and quite scarily in its degree.
mircea_popescu: "you can't halfass bitcoin" is the thing. which property is why i was musing that it's more like a force of nature than anything else.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150450 @ 0.00027215 = 40.945 BTC [+]
trinque: I begin to understand -> mircea_popescu:you'll come out of it thinking what it needs you to.
trinque: the idea that human action inside a monetary system will reflect the incentives/disincentives of that
mircea_popescu: mike wakes up, checks stats, is all o.O gets excited, comes here, says so before reading the log, then we link him to this k ?
mircea_popescu: trinque human freedom is a very limited thing, after all.
trinque: sort of like "will steam engines be used" -> "yes, after all, they exist"
trinque: works out when considering the context the second statement is made within
trinque: so what did I have a problem with...
trinque: it was that there's nothing to act upon within "bitcoin is bitcoin"
trinque: sounded a bit like "after all, we're the Romans"
decimation: my cable modem 'received an update' as soon as I plugged it into the cable network. even though I owned the modem, I had absolutely no say or ability to stop the install
decimation: we did docsis once here before, it's a 'walled garden'
trinque: it's strange and a bit exciting to think that a single human can do something which then becomes almost *environmental* to the others
assbot: Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1e2CTQT )
mircea_popescu: and i'm not entirely sure the meta-universe is open to you at all. there isn't any space for you to "Act upon" in this enlightened, gender savvy, "i am an actor in a movie and i read the script" sense.
mircea_popescu: all you got is what you got. your wot, your job, your wife, your boxen etc.
copypaste: Let me finish rebuilding these boards, it's a pain in the ass to do it manually...
menahem: i don't know whats up - but links to selections aren't working for me. they were at first, but not anymore.
decimation: one thing that occured to me about the 'wot concept' is that one benefits by having your wot intersect your 'enemies' wot
mod6: this is bizzare. i can only get the ssh keys to work /after/ I set a password on the user acount on the instnace (in /etc/shadow). if the user doesn't have a password set, just asks for a pw when connecting. (gentoo uclibc hardened) am i missing something obvious?
trinque: mircea_popescu: selection thing isn't working, last paragraph?
decimation: and that being that 'intersecting person' is probably a valuable position
copypaste: foreach ($config['banned_ad_boards'] as $i => $b) { echo "php rebuild.php --board $b\n"; }
mod6: decimation: hrm. could be i guess. i'll check into that.
mircea_popescu: decimation i would imagine the larger it gets, the more useful it is.
mircea_popescu: Server Load0.03 heh i dun think this will be a problem
decimation: no, but it is not likely that wot structure would be uniform either
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:19:52; danielpbarron: i don't have a problem with USG getting 1/3 of all the bitcoin; the can only spend it once
mircea_popescu: how is a derpy usg with delusions of separation and self importance different or better from the numerous groups of derpy miners with similar delusions that came and went over the years ?
decimation: I find it terribly unlikely that any formal usg employee is mining bitcoin
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:20:29; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu will probably suggest that cn, ru, etc. will follow suit with -their- tv boxes
mircea_popescu: maybe because bitcoin doesn't run right on windows, who knows.
decimation: it does seem likely that someone in the world has an interest in cuckolding infrastructure
menahem: decimation i was told that canadian gov employees were mining bitcoin. however, when i asked about pools and block rewards, they had no idea what I was talking about. so... it definitely seems highly unlikely.
cazalla: i vaguely recollect someone was using the machines at the ABC (gov owned tv channel) to mine bitcoin back around 2011
decimation: it's possible someone is using infrastructure for a private purpose, but I can't imagine it is officially sanctioned
cazalla: guy didn't get sacked either
decimation: usg's style is to seize someone's bitcoin and put it in their vault
cazalla: decimation, sorta what i was thinking in regards to double spending.. why would they need to do it when they can just pay you and steal it back
cazalla: although i guess just because such scam would work on me is not evidence it'd work on everyone
cazalla: gee that didn't take long for people to accuse copypaste of being mircea_popescu
copypaste: mircea_popescu: you should probably put target="_blank" on the ad <a> tag so it poens in a new tab
menahem: "Into the adblock filter it goes." lol, these people blocking some of the most valuable info they could possibly get. as MP calls it - missed opportunity.
menahem: though I must admit, I did the same thing once.