asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 10:48 new york time .
asciilifeform: bvt: 180 appears to work (tested for coupla hrs) but may need empirical test.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: possibly grandfathered. when asciilifeform experimented w/ no-sslism connect via own (cloakistic) nick, ended up w/ displayed ip.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: per the letter of the contract, we are..
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's described further downlog -- appears to be the traditional rotating ddos
asciilifeform: when i wrote 1st draft of logotron, i initially made mistake where lines were displayed in order of timestamp. even very old logs became an adventure in wtf upon reading
asciilifeform: given how pc clock worx, and the existence of multiple loggers, timestamps in log are somewhere between 'mildly informative' and 'screamingly useless' imho
asciilifeform: ( and to add insult to injury, when importing logs externally, the peer's times are eaten )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: timestamps (both current & historic) are all over the place. cuz clocks are shite.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the new one simply demands that ~something~ come down the pipe erry disc_t seconds. recc'd value 180 .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you had some a++ q's re syncism etc, but i'ma answer'em after piz not on fire .
asciilifeform: if deploying, make sure to see readme & example config re knob.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's a small ddos, as they come, but compounded by the hamfistedness of piz upstream. BB is in the cage atm bazaring w/em
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: nope. but iirc you're on a phased array of euro pipes, not individually routable to from outside also eh
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: seems like only folx regularly throwing ips in the log, affected.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: summary : rotating ddos, not even limited to piz
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: whole thing in log ( diana_coman's and lobbes's, naturally ), it's reasonably compact
asciilifeform: ( either that, or simply outlandish margin of spare pipe bought from last time when he ~was~ included )
asciilifeform: mp's www fwiw doesn't seem visibly affected. so prolly not included on the magick list.
asciilifeform: even so, if incoming e.g. 50, that 50 oughta consist of a random sampling of the incoming. not 0.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i guess this is an illuminative experiment re the q of what it is we actually get for that ( pretty hefty, quite enuff to keep three bus-fuls of orcs in empanadas erry month ) pipe fee. turns out not 200Mb/s , but 'what we feel like aint too hard' ??
asciilifeform expects that 'adult' synctron will be nearly as complicated as the logger per se...
asciilifeform: further re syncer -- it oughta warn if logic proposes a non-empty drop set but peers fail to offer fill which covers at least it.
asciilifeform: no attempt is yet made to determine if two peers offer same tail (they will differ, guaranteed, in timestamps, but ought not elsewise. but this is not touched yet.)
asciilifeform: output also contains comments to show where begin blocks of proposed discards ; where -- imports (and from what peer, to what chan.)
asciilifeform: instead picked a reasonable format where 'DEL;chan;idx;' proposes the removal of a line; 'ADD;chan;...' (with ... as in traditional raw dumps currently) proposes an import ; and # signifies comment until newline.
asciilifeform: i considered to make it shit out edible sql dump; but then realized that i have nfi how to guarantee sanity re uniturdism in these.
asciilifeform: ^ implements algo discussed earlier today with diana_coman .
asciilifeform: lobbes: if you want to emphasize that it's a mp-endorsed castle, put the deed in the chan subjline like in #a.
asciilifeform: lobbes: i dun have any problem w/ including your castle ( is it properly proclaimed castle via mp yet ? btw ? ) -- tho may have to fiddle w/ the htmlism so all 7 actually fit in the header . lemme know when yer ready to deed a signed copy of the archival log for it, to be eaten.
asciilifeform: ( aside from the timestamp thing )
asciilifeform: tho even then you would have to impose conditions re what happens when 2 or more peers disagree.
asciilifeform: (c) in particular may be violated if there are recently imported (from peer loggers) lines in the db .
asciilifeform: so, to complete the picture, this algo is guaranteed to work correctly if a) one of the peers actually contains the complete log segment for time T .. present b) no one speaks in the interval while it operates c) the timestamp T correctly represents the cutoff
asciilifeform: diana_coman: aite. proposed algo , is a manually-triggered item that 1) takes a 'breakage point', i.e. last known correctly logged line represented by tuple [chan, index] . 2) finds its timestamp 3) drops errything in db postdating said timestamp 4) walks list of peer loggers, fetches for each enabled chan, errything from last-known-idx i to i+500 5) 4 is repeated until returns <500 6) then takes the ~longest~ such result, from the s
asciilifeform reminds readers that he is not in any capacity in tbf and cannot formally nominate anyone . matter is entirely in hands of mod6 , tho he'd be wise to consult mp re wat-do imho.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939785 << not even to disagree w/ mp_en_viaje's comments, but hey mod6 there's an even moar elementary problem : ben_vulpes went to bottom of the sea, and you haven't filled his throne yet (per charter, oughta)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma have to buy, cuz unequipped to comment in detail just yet
asciilifeform: lobbes: pretty neat. ( and you could prolly shorten it substantially by replacing the old cl bot with mine, but iirc you have a full plate w/ mp's wptronic item atm )
asciilifeform: lobbes: it seems useless nao, but when we do autosyncs, will be important.
asciilifeform: ( hey spies, y'know you can simply read the log ? )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: came with 4 diesels , and i dun suppose the reactor gets sold at any rate. but if mp_en_viaje says 'too small', then too small, who am i to say.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's roughly same problem as crewing a surplus sovok submarine
asciilifeform: they've convenient flat tops, too, could prolly get to it at 300mph in chopper..
asciilifeform pictures mp_en_viaje sizing up a flakturm for eurobase
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: well if a schloss aint a schloss unless built by at least a kurfurst -- then of course 0 in india. or cr.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc there were places with even cheaper schloss than ro, austria, etc. e.g. india. (but w/ the obv. problems)
asciilifeform: 2km from asciilifeform's chair there's an indoor smokery. so that dun 100% answer. but otoh there's gotta be a reason why mp_en_viaje not already bought coupla austrian schlossen
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what's austria like in re ameritardation ? ( iirc not yet in nato; but in practice, does it resist the usual idjicy ? )
asciilifeform: ( and, is it the kind mp_en_viaje described in old thread, where you gotta drill 3 metres of stone to put in toilet ? or already plumbed )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re that 12mn schloss -- is that supposed to be a 'bargain' price ? i have nfi what these usually cost
asciilifeform: diana_coman: wasn't intended as an objection to the idea. simply that in asciilifeform's head, the main open q re irc noades is , how well does the 'net split' sync mechanism in existing servers, worx
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lol, what's to even guard there ?
asciilifeform: entirely possib. osman empire was in full bore 'apres moi le deluge' mode , then
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: why would they want to nail the harem gurlz?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the textbook example at one pt was the armenians
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the folx runnin' the ovens, if their depositions are to be believed, believed, tho.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: imho could have saved much weight / complexity in 'eagle' if it were bolt-operated. but tbf i never yet had to 'invert this matrix'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: cant resist to ask : when you shot the 'eagle', what kinda loads didja use ? according to the nitpicky critics, it gets fouled quickly unless fed fmj
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: '90s ru type flamethrower. the traditional kind wastes buncha fuel in flight .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: very often folx dun give a damn re energy -- e.g. snub-nose revolver, or 'saw off', or traditional ru обрез , where compactness is king
asciilifeform: showed even compression waves in the powder as it went off
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there was a spiffy neutronographic (!) film study in '80s su to try an' determine ideal barrel. sadly cannot atm find on net
asciilifeform: wb mp_en_viaje !
asciilifeform: imho the most direly gaping hole is the support needed for importing era1 l0gz
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma cut the stump out in next patch.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: observe that the example tape you linked , contains only #t, cuz indices are per-chan and no other chan has advanced to anywhere near 1937934
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is how asciilifeform was counted. and the other coolies. ~doubles the tax rate, and removes 'unemploy insurance' & other expenses for usg.
asciilifeform: a++ full-employment scheme...
asciilifeform pictures a fyootoor us army where 4 of 5 men in platoon can be gimps, and 'designated walksman' is the only 1 who's req'd to have working legs
asciilifeform: ( and pertinently, contrary to popular delusion, usa's 'contract soldier' is psychologically still same conscript, us army is fulla folx who joined e.g. to get their teeth fixed, or simply to find any work at all, aint no work to be had in their native oklahomistan outside of meth labs )
asciilifeform: re that 'mac-10' ( famously rejected by army commission with phrase 'this would be great for warfare inside a phone booth' ) -- americans very fond in recent decades of 'picturesque', loud, but entire impractical small arms. iirc mp even wrote a piece on subj, along the lines of tlp's 'this is not to win, but to Feel Like A Trader'.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939138 << the key to the puzzler aint much of a seekrit. goebbels put it in plain text. j00z were picked as 'instigators of the war' and meat grinder ramped up in direct proportion to the obviousness of germany starting to lose. the chronology fits.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939158 << instead of arguing the point, i'ma invite mp_en_viaje to take cheap chronograph and compare 2 barrel lengths in same caliber. ( where flash is white, gas is still pushing . is part of why folx even bother with long barrels. )
asciilifeform always wondered whether this and similar publishers, printed such marvels as 'course of cryptography' where caesar's cipher was presented as state of art, or the various 'wonderful explosives in kitchen' schemes ~guaranteed to homogenize the experimenter , at usg behest, or via the ample ameri-supply of naturally occurring idjicy
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for what argentards to invade uy ? to steal the pot-flavoured empanadas ??
asciilifeform: made temporarily famous by that black policeman fella who 'postal' coupla yrs ago.
asciilifeform: the slow, blunt 45 is moar of a police interest item than for any kinda war. there's an infamous case where 2 drunken red army sargeants had 'duel at dawn at 50 paces' w/ lendlease 'thompsons' . both scored, neither penetrated the wool greatcoat.
asciilifeform: is why even in simple man-made tooling gotta have 'written standards'. otherwise result is pythonism etc.
asciilifeform: as asciilifeform sees it, almost definitionally 'civilization' as in written , organized culture, is attempt to stall the drift.
asciilifeform: fuckno (and noshit) , mp_en_viaje described this imho 100% correctly in linked piece
asciilifeform: arguably medieval latin was a deliberate attempt at 'stable for scholars'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in mouth of 'scholar' just about anyffin can be 'stable', as in your quality italians. even oddball conlangs. recall the tears of the folx who made up 1945 hebrew when their spawn started speaking it tho.
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's model, looking only at 'stable' rather than 'better' (in whatever measure, e.g. the 1 where english is fucking ~impossible to write quality lit , not even speaking of poem, or unambiguous argument, etc. in )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i cannot disagree. observed, tho, that even the utmost classical greeks were already spewing out loose neutrons, if you will, per model
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: also from getting a foreign alphabet welded to it , kazah-style, and the users lacking the spark of life to fucking fix it
asciilifeform: 'simpler' is possib. wrong word. speaking here of macroscopic part count.
asciilifeform: 'ultralights', the jungle men, ditto, they dun have enuff 'temperature' to 'fuse' into sumthing like what civilized folx speak
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness tho :
asciilifeform: i was gonna share a crackpot model of the item but mp_en_viaje already hinted that he has same 1
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938845 << ty mp_en_viaje , found culprit: a built-in idjicy in the pythonism that asciilifeform used to implement doublequotes. i'ma have to rewrite that mechanism.
asciilifeform: up/down arrows in displayer (really only useful on pocket comps and other exotic terminals, but asciilifeform sometimes uses) go to start/end of page
asciilifeform: there are also minor improvements to 'reader' , but these need moartest atm.
asciilifeform: !q seen mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: right, asciilifeform's contention aint 'dafuq, this can't work' but 'well it clearly worx, i simply dun know precise mechanism'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: poor model, transistor, it's ~nuffin BUT rng when 'out of the box'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i recall the spiders. wasn't necessarily a sphex tho, there are other wasps that 'smarter' and will throw exception and stop looking for the caterpillar
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'imagined choice' can drive the imaginer into walls, but is unclear to me that the walls move, or even get dirty as result
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this is a+++ model of 'america great again'(tm)(r) lulzcows aha
asciilifeform suspects that mp_en_viaje is right re 'fixed %' tho. but to run w/ the analogy, the radon does stay in the ground until you dig to the bedrock, so will in effect vary
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: seems to me that typical 'peasant delusion' is ~opposite~ , 'choice wat choice, i only know how to turnip'
asciilifeform: but i think i see what mp_en_viaje meant
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: again this only in re ru planet, but there was measurable 'leakage' from 'pleb' to 'highwayman' , proportionate to how screamingly retarded was the crown at given time
asciilifeform: on orc side there was attempt to institutionalize, 'ok you can be brigand right-there, on turk border' i.e. cossac
asciilifeform: for completeness, 'what did they then do' wasn't always 'eh same thing as grandfather, try to pull turnips from mud', but sometimes instead brigandage
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: similarly to alabama, i.e. not far. cuz it wasn't as if they escaped on motorcycles , ha
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: observation aint re 'ohnoez serfdom wicked' but re 'total cost of operation'(tm)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc in most of west europes, serfs not sellable..?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to expand re the plague if got time
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform took ride in coupla dozen 'ubers' etc , talked to the wheel-turners , found that most of'em have day jobs in bureaucracy somewhere, it's an after-hrs gig
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's 'furniture-fueled furnace capitalism' -- offloads cost of purchase (and they want the driver to buy it, ideally, via their credit service) & maintenance of the auto , on the driver , removes ~all 'fat margin' so price wildly fluctuates
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it varies by factor of 2+x! depending on 'pressure'
asciilifeform: the 'uber' & related chumpatrons, also appeal to the ~penniless by precomputing the price ( and offering to seat randos for cutting cost in ~half) , so apparently slowly killing traditional cabs.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: dunno re orcistans, but over here they ask you to type the addr into a pnojetron and then blindly go where it points.
asciilifeform: iguess it wasn't from 'empty space' that the robotic cabs crackpottery began to seem appealing
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fwiw over here in north reich , they're ~solidly india/paki
asciilifeform always had vaguely positive impression of modern iran. tho possibly simply on acct of its abuse by the reich
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: atm ""ism only prevents partial matches inside words.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: properly making it go will require opening b00k re pgism
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aa, word boundarism dunwork yet
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness, let's put mp_en_viaje's test here ( #a-test is a garbage chan and aint logged )
asciilifeform: ty for test mp_en_viaje . there's also a raw-all knob (to make syncs easier) , contains all logged material from all enabled chans.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: can i persuade you to pop into #asciilifeform-test for 5min ? ( to see format of crosspost-indication-enabled bot that i'ma be rotating in tonight )
asciilifeform: wb mp_en_viaje !
asciilifeform: diana_coman: outta curiosity, were the btc receiver addrs they genned, trb-compat ?
asciilifeform: ( granted -- mechanically complicated, but oughta work )
asciilifeform: contemplated -- multiple tags. (1 per word, if must)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938229 << i dun see why the server end could not simply add <font...> tags around all of the material being selected?
asciilifeform: i.e. whole idea of synced loggers, becomes an impossibility.
asciilifeform: if you introduce hard splits by date -- the example differential pair nao will not only not load identically, but also not echo. and worse, there will be no decidable algorithm for even determining what the link made for 1 logger, corresponds to on other.
asciilifeform: the historic epochtimestamps are incidentally all over the place, try setting a scratch box logger to sort ~by time~ some time and weep. ( from when phf , for instance, imported his znc, evidently wasn't 100% synced to the primary logger ; and elsewhere )
asciilifeform: ericbot: i'ma restate compactly. atm we index lines. by a monotonic # . the timestamps are stored as unix epochal times. the urls, however, demand a e.g. 2014-07-16 , and always did, and these both now and then were parsed via what the particular box thought local time was. resulting in headache, because machine timekeeping was , and remains, shite.
asciilifeform: ( it is preventing import of era1 )
asciilifeform: result is imho not only moar compact ( why throw the ' http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938055 ' to the screen ? ) but moar readable .
asciilifeform: ^ in this example, as we're using line-based selector, cites whole line. but if used fine-grained selector, could cite the selection.
asciilifeform goes to construct example...
asciilifeform: incidentally, if yer going full throttle w/ selectables , the Right Thing imho would be to take it all the way and make items like this actually display (if reasonably compact.. config knob?) the linked text. a la old man ted nelson's 'transclusions' concept .
asciilifeform: in related grrs, asciilifeform recently attempted backport of mircea_popescu's selector knob to own wp, but broke teeth cuz it dun know how to cross paragraphs, and i have '9000' multi-para selections, esp. in ffa series where coad
asciilifeform: imho a logger that can't resync at all, aint much of a logger. but at the same time i dun see why a generate-statics logger couldn't be made to resync. simply a bit moar complicated.
asciilifeform: otherwise you could easily end up importing the other logger's hole vs yours
asciilifeform: currently this is a gnarly manually-cranked process, as ./eat_dump.py deliberately is made so ~not~ to import any line that conflicts with existing index
asciilifeform: lobbes: i relit mine via curl "http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1937934&iend=1937941" > foo; ./eat_dump.py foo trilema 3
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the way i read it, he starts with rhetorical 'but how could be political' then proceeds to show entirely edible concrete example
asciilifeform: incidentally, if anyone can think of a cleaner way to parse the 2 types of link ( [][] and naked htt.. ) than what's given in asciilifeform's reader.py , i'd like to hear about it. ( presently there's a quite ugly 2-step transform, as apparently it is impossible to regexp-transmute a grammar w/ 2+ patterns in 1 step )
asciilifeform: aking the proposition of free trade futile. Whether or not Drepper is aware of the political implications of the of his technical decision is irrelevant to the fact of their existance. Nevertheless, there is a belief by technologists “educated” at ITT and the public equivilants that software can exist outside of politics. As a result the US has a legal system that runs on Word, a financial system that runs on Excel, and a voting
asciilifeform: with the modest ram, not a rk competitor, but potentially useful for other applications ( has 3 serial ports, so can eat FG ) ; runs 'pogo'-style linux, so can stuff even classic gpg in ; can have nic plug attached, so potentially even host small net proggies ; pulls coupla milliwatt, so could work in radio relays or similar.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these new 'spies' aint tryin to bring back seekritz, but instead simply spread rot, a sort of bipedal smallpox blanket. seems to work
asciilifeform: ( if fuel is not a concern, fly all 10 and xor'em!1111 -- in all seriousness, rng is perhaps the easiest part known to man where to implement redundancy )
asciilifeform: atm if you want a FG for use in mars probe -- gotta do it sovok-style, take 10 and test in the desired conditions , pick the champ.
asciilifeform: ftr FG was made of 'commercial', to keep cost reasonable. tho i've selected random samples and cooled to -20 / heated to +60 ; passed tests. but item is ftr not made for use inside freezer or oven.
asciilifeform: there are fine gradations inside the 'classes' also (chiefly degradation curves vs temp, e.g. in vreg , de-rated in re max tolerable voltage spike, or hrs of expected life, or both, at high temp ) , it's a quite gnarly biz
asciilifeform: components since '70s traditionally sold with 'temperature class' stamp : 'commercial' (saddest; 0-85C) ; 'industrial' (-40-100C) ; 'automobile' (-40-125C) ; 'military' (-55-125C, sometimes moar)
asciilifeform: the 'clock speed race' tempted vendors into cutting corners (i.e. 'new cpu 2x as hot but we'll use same room-temp-rated parts around it because Who Will Notice!11' )
asciilifeform: indeed; tho most of these feature konsoomer comps
asciilifeform: dunno, i have such things as sgi 'octane', dec 'alpha', from late '90s, that still run w/ orig. components
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 1600s ru, the church had an episode of rampaging stupid, and ended with ban on not only performing gypos but , for a time, all musical instruments. the bear specialists converted to straight brigandry, adding to already formidable head count of thieves/brigands.
asciilifeform: ( from hanbot's piece i drew conclusion that mircea_popescu is back home, but possibly he's simply 'night shift' nao )
asciilifeform: woah ultracompact log.
asciilifeform: ( accompanying thrd in #a, if anyone gives shit )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, from the lulzcollector traps : usg nuke ministry's attempt at ffa. ( for bonus laffs, they apparently have a shithub, fulla misc. opensores rubbishes ...)
asciilifeform: there was a crate of tank pressure regulators stamped 'hydrogen' , 'patent 1943', but dun think i could bring myself to use these.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-18#1937255 -- apparently phf still tuned in , and fixed when i asked. but really we oughta settle the url thing imho, so can finally import era1 .
asciilifeform: ( lobbes : dun fughet to 1) verify and then 2) strip out the pgpisms in this dump , when eating )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'delete from loglines where chan = 'ossasepia' and idx < 1000000;' and then eaten your deeded dump. ate w/out eggog. plox to lemme know if see barf.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937347 << that's the piece i dun have of yet. ( and imho oughta be implemented after the no-dates-url thing is properly solved. otherwise will have to be 100% rebaked when it is. )
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu actually had piece on this subj. where mentioned 'dragon'. i.e. at some pt the lamer's task becomes factually impossible, after tall enuff pile of fuckup
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'face derealization' / 'they gave up, why' -- i was reading not long ago about keldysh (head of sovok academy of sciences, and overall respectable figure, in charge of ~100% of calculative works for space / atomic programs etc. ) BUT at same time is the fella who undertook 'let's ditch native comp archs and copy pdp'. seems like was a checkmate, rather than 'dolchstoss', saw no working alternative , 'we can't affor
asciilifeform: and attempts to copy same
asciilifeform: oh hey mircea_popescu do you still have that letter where he took a shit on asciilifeform's complaint re glibc ?
asciilifeform: '91 was simply culmination of this process, when pretense fell away.
asciilifeform: ( kgb -- won ; andropov -- crowned; purged the 'principled' folx, proceeded to do all he could to blow up the pylons on which stood sovok, but croaked promptly, adopted prince gorby was left to ineptly finish up the job )
asciilifeform: fsf dead, for any conceivable pov, for decade+ . nao simply cement poured on grave.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re 'cohesive' -- no moar or less than ameritards. simply in orcistans there does not exist the custom of pseudo-'plurality' that the (formerly) rich 'west' was able (until recently) to afford.
asciilifeform: cattle stampeding (all the way into meat plant conveyor) aint 'cattle running the farm', the farm is still a farm and farmer is still the farmer, and meat still grown for market.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: exactly like the chinese cultural rev. (which shut off like a lamp when mao flicked switch) this one is a 'controlled burn'.
asciilifeform: this particular 'africa' tho is prion-contagious. the software derps decided that 'it's still a valid program' when imports GB of autoconfolade and 'appears to work'. the maffs people decided 'it's still a proof' when imports a GB of softwareliquishit and fits in 0 heads. the physics folx , that 'it's still physics' if used an irreproducible machine built by great inca. whereas per asciilifeform all of these people are pulling own co
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lemme know how you want the db on dulap corrected ( 'drop where chan='ossasepia'... & import ? then plox to deedbot a replacement dump of #o )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: when you fix your copy, i'ma reimport, ping me
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there isn't currently any such thing. ( what asciilifeform was orig. wanting to make, was a 'calendar page' thing. but not attempted yet. )
asciilifeform: ( yet someone builds the blocks of flats . how they make profit ? very simply, tlp-style, i.e. by leasing to welfare mooches, these come w/ guaranteed subsidy from usg. )
asciilifeform: lobbes: this may be a geographic thing, or simply asciilifeform's luck, but when renting 'from human' never 1nce experienced rising cost. they're extremely reluctant to raise it, because 'what happens if this d00d leaves and aint replaced until months later, or is replaced with a normal person who dun maintain w/ own hands' etc
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936375 << i suspect it's being done to scratch the ego itch of some hollywood lizard, rather than as rationally planned affair ( otherwise not even need to lease army base, would simply use 3d rendered scene )
asciilifeform: somewhat oddly, perhaps, vs traditional comp-building culture , mechanical strength is needed, the crates are abused rather heavily by the porters ( last time BingoBoingo and asciilifeform had to straighten the 'ears' with hammers )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was asking re attempts, rather than success ( consider the greeks' 'success' )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: yw. when we crack the url puzzler and import era1 , will also need historic bots in there.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935874 << when lobbes bakes a phpistic parser for these, could put in mp's-wp then ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is there a native romanicism that goes with it ? ( as in the 'vrem/timp' pair )
asciilifeform: diana_coman i recommend to read & emplace this one, so lobbes & asciilifeform can resync from your /log-raw : the old export mechanism was apparently broken in the case of 'action' lines.
asciilifeform: at worst we'll simply use apache's throttle, aha. oughta work.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935740 << ty lobbes ! i will test & emplace this today
asciilifeform: for elliott, the tree stump outside my window is fully adequate replacement. rather ask, who will replace c. f. gauss .
asciilifeform suspects that herr newton is poor example -- fella did end up master of mint, and prolly not by sitting in locked office refusing to talk
asciilifeform: ( steam won because fast+reliable, not simply 'fast' . and apparently skilled navigator can make up the diff much of the time. but, 'phd assembly line', none alive nao. )
asciilifeform: stalin is remembered as effective king strictly because the war forced moderation of leukocyte. otherwise, he'd be remembered as exactly like e.g. emperor qin shihuangdi, who beheaded succession of 9000 alchemists for failing to produce elixir of immortality, until finally gave up in frustration and ate one , fulla hg salts
asciilifeform: (for completeness, let's translate :
asciilifeform: fwiw 'talk directly to mp' when 'i'm in a corner' moar often than not , in my experience, gives this output. i accept this, he's a 'sink or swim' sort of guru. but also not surprised that phf hesitated to ask him for an evac chopper .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: what detail, in your eyes important, am i neglecting ?
asciilifeform: trinque: from where this implication ?
asciilifeform: trinque: fwiw i suspect they 'ran' to bottle, rather than 'to empire'.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: heathen sores tars do tend to contain astonishing volumes of binliquishit. ( or were you thinking of the thompsonistic trap where 'need gnat to build gnat' etc. , rather ? )
asciilifeform has nfi whether the locals buy from Official shop, or grow 'christmas garden' under uv lamp, or which.
asciilifeform: as i currently understand, if one were to 1) SO_REUSEADDR + 2) force it closed before attempting any connect -- oughta cure
asciilifeform: diana_coman: admittedly asciilifeform is not any kind of star pedagogue. but from own schooling, i found much moar memorable the lessons where 'and this is btw is also the tamper equation in hbomb!' than 'you Need To ... for exam!'
asciilifeform: meanwhile asciilifeform attempts to teach a short vtronics lecture in diana_coman's school while diana_coman slept .
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'wildmen attempt to tmsr' strange : 'Tauthon is a backwards-compatible fork of the Python 2.7.16 interpreter with new syntax, builtins, and libraries backported from Python 3.x. Python code and C-extensions targeting Python 2.7 or below are expected to run unmodified on Tauthon and produce the same output.'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'ratchet must ratchet, so spring -- must spring'(tm)(r)(mp)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935137 << i gotta ask, what did the old astronomer do to mircea_popescu , to become this example ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935119 << this is a deeper africanism than mircea_popescu suspects , and sadly not even limited to pythonisms. it comes from when hands grow out of arses, and folx write libs where the namespaces cannot be mixed, so yer stuck lib_a.foo lib_b.foo , cuz can't import a + b . seen it in adaisms , cl, elsewhere.
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness : nsabot.log of current run.
asciilifeform: wait mircea_popescu , why can't be done ? seems like simple fix ( tho in my simplistic 'run on lappy & yank nic cord' reconnect test, never saw the state that lobbes discovered, so never implemented 'make new socket' )
asciilifeform wonders how long before unitardation reaches the magick threshold when would be moar economical to simply encode bitmap of glyph
asciilifeform: lobbes: the max dump line limit is configurable. ( and i'ma turn the knob on mine if anyone finds the '500' inconvenient. plox to write in. )
asciilifeform: lobbes: btw dumps from 10.3 eat on 9.x w/out modification, you did not need to comment anything. (it will spit warnings but harmless. tested.)
asciilifeform: lobbes: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/logsericbenevidescom-is-born-compiled-notes-on-the-cloning-process/#comment-83
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu knows full well, nuffin is 'simple' on pc. but there's degrees of bulk.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: asciilifeform is originally a lisp crackpot, rather than forth crackpot. forth is arguably 'polar opposite' , there is no gc, or 'raw ast' syntax, in fact no syntax in the familiar sense ( since you've studied 'peh' this summary oughta make sense. ) so best summary would be, i dun ~like~ forth, simply keep coming back to it because it appears to be the only known solution point in the domain space of 'most physically-com
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934857 << why do you suppose piz pipe, 200Mb/s costs ~1k$/mo , while in timis 1Gb/s advertised at 10 $ ? the industrial pipe can, and in fact does (lately) run at ~100% capacity for weeks on end. which is not to say that there aint scam providers which will try to throttle a customer to less than he paid. simply, piz did not suffer the misfortune of sitting under any such.
asciilifeform: ( 'peh', fwiw, is NOT a standard-compliant forth, i committed quite deliberately war crimes against the classical standard in order to make the parser as simple as physically possible, to make all operators weigh 1 or 2 chars )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934699 << in the orig. '17 thread re 'make cpu', mircea_popescu made the observation 'the sticker prices have 3 or 4 extra zeros on'em', i.e. pointless to even ask the q before we have penetration into the asian snakepits where iron is actually baked. without such, we're stuck looking at the chump ratecards.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934677 << this is entirely troo ( recall the infamous ibm derp's 'there is a world market for perhaps 6 computers' ? )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934655 << appeal of forth is that there ~aint~ a 'tower'. i.e. can stand up all the compiler you need in coupla 100 bytes.
asciilifeform: this is difficult to calculate 'on napkin' w/out an actual complete iron design, however.
asciilifeform: ( btw , for thread-completeness -- you need 4096 modexp in < 3.8 ~microsecond~ to eat GB at line-rate. )
asciilifeform: i certainly wouldn't invite anyone to pay to build such space station until thoroughly familiar with working example 'in soft'
asciilifeform: you can parallelize the work, but the amt of effective diff it makes , is relatively small when compared to the absolute size of the above shortfall.
asciilifeform: but important to remember that yer nic can still eat 512b shitograms roughly 10,000x faster than you can modexp on'em . even w/ bvt's asmisms.
asciilifeform: trinque: it would indeed 'cut world', in the sense that gives you a gossiptronic net fully layered over the traditional one. and with dozen+ entrance boxen, suddenly impossible to effectively ddos anything on the inner (i.e. what comes out of the 2nd plug) world.
asciilifeform: trinque: an 'iron peh', where the ALU is actually e.g. 4096b-wide -- may be workable as general-purpose comp.
asciilifeform: on e.g. x86, a forth complete enuff that you could comfortably live the rest of your life in it, weighs about 1kB.
asciilifeform: complete w/ electromagnetic models etc
asciilifeform: chuck moor had , famously , complete vlsi production plant in iirc 3k loc of forth .
asciilifeform: trinque: for overall smallest mass of system + all needed for $problem ? afaik forth in fact is the unchallenged champ, wherever was historically tried.
asciilifeform: this obv. worx in some applications. but i dun grasp how one would implement e.g. searchable log, this way
asciilifeform: but for anyffin moar complicated (e.g. having a search box)
asciilifeform: or is he completely totalled ?
asciilifeform: btw in re 'countries where can't buy test button for geiger' -- is ridiculously impotent ban; all you gotta do is to (carefully!) collect dust from crt monitor screen for coupla wks, and mix into a coupla grams of epoxy. po-210, 214, 218 . (exercise for reader : how did it get there?)
asciilifeform: ( 'TLP3905' only gives 12uA, and the regulator eats ~7uA as heat, but diode eats only picoamp or so as leakage current when reverse-biased )
asciilifeform: occasionally 1 of these pumps gives out, and then truck shows up to repair the drowned furnace etc. for megabux.
asciilifeform: some of the nearby folx, have actual cellars, and these have pumps going at all times, sorta like bilge pump in ship. they gurgle out to the street periodically.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these here swamp dwellings are built sorta like those huts in vietnam. there's a concrete plinth, and ~1m columns, on these -- the floor.
asciilifeform: more interestingly, on subj, when put in 'ikea' desk, found that it is impossible to keep ball bearing still on it, no matter how legs are adjusted. the 'wood' gives under weight of displays etc.
asciilifeform when moved into current woodpaste, went in it when it was empty and put ball bearing on the floor. it didn't move.
asciilifeform: at any rate that's merely 1 example .