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snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 05:01:18 mircea_popescu: thinks asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 05:16:52 mircea_popescu: thinks asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-07 09:01:18 mircea_popescu;thinks: asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.
mircea_popescu shall peruse forthwith
diana_coman: lobbes: kept meaning to ask - how do you pronounce your surname?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935086 << because the descriptors are maintained by the kernel not the userspace.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-08 22:04:14 asciilifeform: wait mircea_popescu , why can't be done ? seems like simple fix ( tho in my simplistic 'run on lappy & yank nic cord' reconnect test, never saw the state that lobbes discovered, so never implemented 'make new socket' )
mircea_popescu: and sure, you didn't implement. but you're ~supposed~ to implement.
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's "in all my driving i never had to back up, so... never put a reverse setting for the gearbox in"
mircea_popescu: though i grant, sock = socket.socket(socket. is such promising lingo as to utterly recommend python for african studies.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-08 20:35:48 lobbes: holy shit. it filled up nsabot.log too (2.4GB!!)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935095 << log in as root, close the program's socket whileit's running.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-08 22:11:25 asciilifeform: ( then in principle dun gotta make new. but oughta test. nao q , how to reproduce wedged sockets, other than by playing fleanode lotto ? )
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935096 << yes. esp if were going to immediately turn around ask everyone to run one, this "my one and only tru sole solitary i mate for life" approach is unfit.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-08 22:13:22 asciilifeform: lobbes et al : another item i neglected to add, but really oughta have, is to log the actual ip of where connects. so can actually get some ~useful data re individual fleanode endpoints.
mircea_popescu: (and yes, depondopopotamosity is parasitosis on knightly dedication, this tendency to "pick ONE great ruler and follow HIM")
mircea_popescu: dependopopotamosity*
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 03:56:22 ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-07 09:01:18 mircea_popescu;thinks: asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.
mircea_popescu is actually excited at how well things are progressing, once we got rid of the dead weight.
mircea_popescu: imagine, all this flurry of exciting new development could have been occuring in 2017, if i had the sense to kick phf out on his rear in 2017, rather than let him sit his dumb ass on us for two years.
mircea_popescu: tolerance ~never~ fucking pays.
mircea_popescu: it seems like ti will. it never does.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935128 - yes and probably reader-side ie not bot itself.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 05:11:01 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935112 << looks like stray regexp
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 03:56:22 ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-07 09:01:18 mircea_popescu;thinks: asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.
mircea_popescu: all sorta chuck moores, "famous" and apparently ever so good and useful, just WAITING for you to give them a chance to strangle you.
diana_coman: hm, bimbo.club does not have the b&e selection mechanism set? I tried http://bimbo.club/2019/09/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-april-may-and-june-1714-part-v/?b=Circassians&e=Asiaticks and it's not working
mircea_popescu: yo nicole!
diana_coman: this chapter of transactions reads like great fun anyway, what with "procuring smallpox" and asia-ticks
mircea_popescu: o she did a new transcription ?
mircea_popescu: look at that. cool.
diana_coman: aha, very nice.
diana_coman: oh hi nicoleci
diana_coman: !!up nicoleci
deedbot: nicoleci voiced for 30 minutes.
nicoleci: helllo, diana_coman
nicoleci: diana_coman, unfortunately i do not have selections set yet
feedbot: http://ave1.org/2019/off-the-road-again/ << ave1 -- Off the road again
nicoleci: glad you liked the article. the medical transcriptions are especially interesting/gross
diana_coman: nicoleci: do you need help with setting the selections up?
diana_coman: and yeah, this one has some gems in it; I think my favourite is "Some more quicksighted, imagin'd these two children were, as useless shades sent to Charon by any means that could be made use of."
nicoleci: diana_coman, yes i definitely can use some help
nicoleci: lol great line
diana_coman: !!up nicoleci
deedbot: nicoleci voiced for 30 minutes.
nicoleci: diana_coman, currently im having issues accessing the shell. this may be a BingoBoingo question. i'll provide a better answer as to which step im stuck on when i get inside.
diana_coman: nicoleci: ok, but he'll prolly need the concrete barf/how it fails to help you out anyway.
diana_coman: nicoleci: alternatively for the functions.php iirc you should be able to edit it from the blog's dashboard too, there's and Edit option in there too.
diana_coman: but you still need the shell for the .htaccess changes, yes.
diana_coman will bbl
mircea_popescu: ahaha check out the bug :
mircea_popescu: if you're !!up'd and then self-voice... deedbot will devoice you ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: iirc this has been noted before/it's been around for quite a while, yes (though I thought it was fixed at some point); but I don't think she self-voiced at all.
mircea_popescu: well there's a * deedbot gives voice to nicoleci you prolly msiread as "removes voice" ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: ah, you are right; yes, I misread it as -v
diana_coman: pfff, didn't mean to trigger the bug on her, lol; sorry, nicoleci
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935114 << the "bene" is exactly how you'd think. The "vides" is actually "veedees". I usually tell people it 'rhymes with "diabetes"'
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-09 07:14:41 diana_coman: lobbes: kept meaning to ask - how do you pronounce your surname?
lobbes: It is Portuguese, though (as Mocky can attest) if you look at me all you'll see is anglo
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935134 << I'll take a gander into that weird. Ty for the heads up
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-09 08:41:36 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935128 - yes and probably reader-side ie not bot itself.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 05:11:01 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935112 << looks like stray regexp
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 03:56:22 ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-07 09:01:18 mircea_popescu;thinks: asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.
lobbes: I'm off to mines, bbl
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935170 - heh, so my reading of it was actually right (latin-based since I couldn't think of any valid English-based reading of it).
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:01:15 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935114 << the "bene" is exactly how you'd think. The "vides" is actually "veedees". I usually tell people it 'rhymes with "diabetes"'
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-09 07:14:41 diana_coman: lobbes: kept meaning to ask - how do you pronounce your surname?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 03:56:22 ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-07 09:01:18 mircea_popescu;thinks: asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.
asciilifeform: ( the 1 in lobbes's latest vpatch is proper )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 04:09:21 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935086 << because the descriptors are maintained by the kernel not the userspace.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-08 22:10:50 asciilifeform: oh lobbes , prolly oughta have set SO_REUSEADDR also. loox like i did not
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935119 << this is a deeper africanism than mircea_popescu suspects , and sadly not even limited to pythonisms. it comes from when hands grow out of arses, and folx write libs where the namespaces cannot be mixed, so yer stuck lib_a.foo lib_b.foo , cuz can't import a + b . seen it in adaisms , cl, elsewhere.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 04:19:39 mircea_popescu: though i grant, sock = socket.socket(socket. is such promising lingo as to utterly recommend python for african studies.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935124 << dunno re the other folx , but mine is set to 'lotto' atm, it uses fleanode's rotator. which is arguably unseemly, but i dun have a 'list of working fleanodes' atm. would like to obtain one. hence 'let's log ip'
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 04:30:09 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935096 << yes. esp if were going to immediately turn around ask everyone to run one, this "my one and only tru sole solitary i mate for life" approach is unfit.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935131 << for what in '17 ? for writing a working logger ? next, wat, will kick out trinque , so can have 'flurry of exciting, new development' of deedbot ?!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 05:21:49 mircea_popescu: imagine, all this flurry of exciting new development could have been occuring in 2017, if i had the sense to kick phf out on his rear in 2017, rather than let him sit his dumb ass on us for two years.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935132 << this logic is appealing on surface, but recall that stalin ended up retrieving half-dead korolev, tupolev, et al, from gulag, when failed to find the imagined 'we dun have any irreplaceables here'(tm)(r) replacements .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 05:22:02 mircea_popescu: tolerance ~never~ fucking pays.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935137 << i gotta ask, what did the old astronomer do to mircea_popescu , to become this example ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 05:25:00 mircea_popescu: all sorta chuck moores, "famous" and apparently ever so good and useful, just WAITING for you to give them a chance to strangle you.
mircea_popescu: not in wot.
asciilifeform: i'ma be quite surprised the day a 90yo d00d joins the wot
asciilifeform: ( or is this a 'vina batranilor' thing ? )
mircea_popescu: hey. this is why it sucks being old.
mircea_popescu: what, you thought it's an idle thing ? it isn't. being old means shit'll happen, you'll fail to follow and end up the example.
asciilifeform: sorta what means 'old' neh
mircea_popescu: quite, yes.
diana_coman: what I can't quite get in all this is why is asciilifeform fighting mircea_popescu's leucocite-qualities so much and at every occasion?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if nuffing counterposes leukocyte -- get leucosys.
mircea_popescu: right ? nobody welcomes cancer
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'ratchet must ratchet, so spring -- must spring'(tm)(r)(mp)
diana_coman: asciilifeform: does it seem to you there's danger of "nothing counterposes leukocyte"? because uhm, I can't quite see it.
mircea_popescu deeply regrets having spent the earlier 2010s in a "oh, stallman, famous"
mircea_popescu: just another dickpuppet, forget about it.
mircea_popescu: problem aren't all the tupolevs in gulag
asciilifeform: sometimes 'famous' like titanic.
mircea_popescu: problem are all the escaped puppets running about.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, titanic ACTUALLY sunk. didn't "write home tall tale of sunk"
mircea_popescu: not even munchausen. he ACTUALLY lied.
asciilifeform: stallmanism sank similarly
mircea_popescu: he didn't lie about one day maybe lieing
asciilifeform: ( long before lied )
asciilifeform: fwiw i'm not even convinced that the 'human mushroom' lied in the customary sense -- but instead, fungus, i.e. passed off what his bob becks gave him, as fact.
mircea_popescu: utter anal child argumentation, this, "oh, ispent years doing nothing because ANY MINUTE now"
mircea_popescu: can stretch that "any minuite" cheese into two fucking years, and whenever you put a limti o nit, "oh, you fucked them up, they were just about to"
mircea_popescu: i hope to god they were just about to take a large bite out of a steel girder at high speed.
mircea_popescu: needless to say, i am deeply unimpressed with "promising", "famous" and the whole rest of the fucking cohort of fiatardation.
mircea_popescu: so -- yeah, hang all the promising adult-children by their guts wrapped around their ballsac, and see what you can do with the rest.
mircea_popescu: stalin reference's not even wrong, afaik this was the historica conclusion of lenin-trotsky.
asciilifeform: this algo does require a > 0 'the rest' tho.
mircea_popescu: requires nothing.
mircea_popescu: it'll solve all the world's problems regardless : either through zeroing, or else through solving.
asciilifeform: paging minister poincare
mircea_popescu: as i tell the slavegirls "when they most need my support", "do or fucking die ; and i don't particularly care which the fuck it is."
asciilifeform: sometimes ends with 'das war ein befehl!!!1'(tm)
mircea_popescu: eh, i had all the pies i wanted anyways.
asciilifeform would like another pie or 2
asciilifeform relatedly, brb, tea/pie time
mircea_popescu: get 'em while they're hot
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'wildmen attempt to tmsr' strange : 'Tauthon is a backwards-compatible fork of the Python 2.7.16 interpreter with new syntax, builtins, and libraries backported from Python 3.x. Python code and C-extensions targeting Python 2.7 or below are expected to run unmodified on Tauthon and produce the same output.'
asciilifeform: ( for what are needed these 'new syntax, ...' -- aside from 'embrace & extinguish'(tm) -- remains a mystery to asciilifeform )
asciilifeform: 'dun use python3, use our trotsky.python3!111'
mircea_popescu: nfi. maybe ask them
diana_coman: asciilifeform: they have a Why Python 2.8 post if you care.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: was just aboutta link.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: just nao read it, and lost what little appetite had
diana_coman: eh, that's pretty much the ~only sort of pies actually available :p
asciilifeform: most pies on planet3 -- in fact out of cow.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell nicoleci let me know what troubles you are having with your attempts to enter the shell. Also make sure you specify the right port.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Here they make these nice little hand pies from the cow. Gotta reserve the pies baked in cow to feed the fields.
bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934465 - from the point of view of achieving perfection - it definitely should be included. From the practical point of view -- noone would notice.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 01:42:14 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934219 << ok, but that's still no reason not to include it, you know ?
bvt: asciilifeform: the links to diana's sigs in your logotron post are wrong: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=aYq7
asciilifeform: ty bvt , will fix
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 13:53:35 asciilifeform: shrysr: i wrote it, and am willing to answer whatever q re how it worx
asciilifeform: ( whether succeeded -- do not know yet. )
asciilifeform: bvt: fixed!! and ty for the eagle eye.
bvt: ty; i wanted to download them via wget on remote machine, discovered bunch of .sig.1 files
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935258 - thank you! not at all a bad thing to have happening while I'm away, lol.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 13:53:35 asciilifeform: shrysr: i wrote it, and am willing to answer whatever q re how it worx
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i generally dun like to 'bring own vows to other's monastery' but wanted to try giving the fella sumthing to chew on. possibly is good idea .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 15:15:46 shrysr: have to bbl >>> this is getting more interesting by min though.
diana_coman: eh, he needs to start chewing, not like there isn't *what*; but yes, I see what you mean.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i actually dun know when/how precisely the fella tuned in. but will hazard a guess that it was because he had spark of 'hmm, these folx have working gears'. so i suspect best result with him might be to pour some kerosene on that fire. 'motivation from interest' is 9000x bigger fire than 'motivation from needs-to'.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: admittedly asciilifeform is not any kind of star pedagogue. but from own schooling, i found much moar memorable the lessons where 'and this is btw is also the tamper equation in hbomb!' than 'you Need To ... for exam!'
diana_coman: asciilifeform: for one thing it depends *whose* exam; for the other, the focus wasn't on "exam", no (doubt anyone would even "tune in" for... exam,lol); but anyway: another dose doesn't hurt, no.
bvt: asciilifeform: re SO_REUSEADDR - i don't see how it is applicable: as i understand errno 106=EISCONN the kernel believes that the socket is still connected (perhaps socket.timeout case in send()?); so if you proceed to connect without closing it, you'd get double connect on the same socket; and SO_REUSEADDR does not protect against this: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Zd3l
asciilifeform: bvt: i still do not know whether socket 'was not closed, but wedged' somehow (in which case proggy oughta be made such as to find out, and close asap) or in fact closed but on acct of the idjit zombie-by-default thing, not reusable
asciilifeform: bvt: how didja generate the item seen in the paste ?
asciilifeform: as i currently understand, if one were to 1) SO_REUSEADDR + 2) force it closed before attempting any connect -- oughta cure
asciilifeform: also wtf, 'double connect on same socket', why the everliving fuck is this even a thing.
asciilifeform: what was the 'logic' inside the 'heads' that thought this to be permissible ?
mircea_popescu: it's in php.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if the tcp stack per se is retarded in this way, i expect it is also in cobol , fortran, etc, how not.
bvt: asciilifeform: i think closing would necessary (not done right now, as i can see); re proggy - nothing complicated http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=4XUj (merged two for convenience, so fd num will be different)
asciilifeform: i still dun grasp why os's tcp stack doesn't liquidate a socket known to be stone dead. but this i suppose is a q for the original perpetrators , when they're connected to 220v
mircea_popescu: prolly because they don't know how to do that without creating a race condition with the time-outs involved in knowing it's stone dead.
lobbes: err, meant to prepend above line with a " mircea_popescu: "
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935178 << you are among the very few who pronounce it correctly then! Most assume it is Spanish and pronounce the end bit like the end of "Rodriguez" (actually, it was a good way to screen for telemarketers back when I answered unknown phone numbers)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:03:33 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935170 - heh, so my reading of it was actually right (latin-based since I couldn't think of any valid English-based reading of it).
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:01:15 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935114 << the "bene" is exactly how you'd think. The "vides" is actually "veedees". I usually tell people it 'rhymes with "diabetes"'
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-09 07:14:41 diana_coman: lobbes: kept meaning to ask - how do you pronounce your surname?
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935183 << this gives me some piece of mind, at least. Gonna do some digging tonight after f00d intake. Odd mystery
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:29:03 asciilifeform: ( the 1 in lobbes's latest vpatch is proper )
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935281 << bvt, would you be able to produce the vpatch? I would, but a) my knowledge of tcp stack / kernels / etc. is pretty much nil and b) I'm gearing up to focus 100% on mircea_popescu's latest mp-wp bot ask if I end up winning this auction.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 17:05:07 bvt: asciilifeform: i think closing would necessary (not done right now, as i can see); re proggy - nothing complicated http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=4XUj (merged two for convenience, so fd num will be different)
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935283 << lmao. Another great addition to the queue imo
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 17:22:25 asciilifeform: i still dun grasp why os's tcp stack doesn't liquidate a socket known to be stone dead. but this i suppose is a q for the original perpetrators , when they're connected to 220v
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:43:49 trinque: heh, this place needs a cartoonist so bad
lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935134 << interesting. Looks like it is incorrect in the database itself. So something is either happening on bot snarf side, or on import of dumps side. In any case, bot will be offline for a second while I bring it up in a test channel
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 05:40:26 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935128 - yes and probably reader-side ie not bot itself.
lobbes: mmkay. Confirmed: not reader.py nor bot.py at fault. Observe this new line from test chan ate and shat perfectly: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema-lobbes/2019-09-10#1000006
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-10 01:59:08 lobbes: action line
lobbes: problem most likely in either teh eat_dump.py or the 'raw logs' output.
lobbes: I recently had to eat #t lines where index > 1933778 in order to sync, and sure enough here's query where > 1933778 vs < 1933778
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/massachusetts-mayor-busted-for-extorting-bud-dealers-seeking-legality/ << Qntra -- Massachusetts Mayor Busted For Extorting Bud Dealers Seeking Legality
lobbes: those pothead portuguese are at it again I see
BingoBoingo: lol, I expect to see more of these sorts of stories. Especially out of Illinois in the future.
auctionbot: Buy order # 1058 has ENDED: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred SOLD by bvt for 123mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
lobbes: alright, I've solved the "action line weirdness mystery". The following paste displays two action lines from different sources: one from the output of the znc2tsmr logconverter, and one from the output of the "raw log" dump: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=k0qz
lobbes: Note how the raw log dump pads the nick on the right with an extra ';' versus the logconverter does not
lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?
lobbes: I'll leave this question for tomorrow night. I can pick it back up then
lobbes: BingoBoingo: did Illinois also legalize teh pot recently?
BingoBoingo: lobbes: They did, it isn't implemented yet, and it's already looking like a scammy ball of lulz.
BingoBoingo: 7 million people and only a couple dozen licenses with official 6 figure USD price tags. No grow at home without a special medical permit. But with FATCA, KYC/AML/OMGWTFBBQ the whole bribery thing in a place that has seen consecutive governors go to jail... Surely it's under control...
BingoBoingo: It also has some "economic justice" provisions that are supposed to affirmative action some "minority owned" businesses into viability
lobbes: lol. of course!
lobbes: man, the wash-each-other's-laundry-economy indeed
BingoBoingo: Well, at the Home Depot there was plenty of opportunity to meet minority entrepreneurs getting in early and without bothering about getting right with fiat.
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