asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217330 << we vivisected drepper here on several occasions. he is ~the~ most accomplished publicly-known gavin thus far.
ascii_field: gernika: ultimately it is a set of pigs competing for trough of the u.s. fed arse-mouth-system printing usd to buy stocks with
ascii_field somehow found himself implementing an ip stack
ascii_field: (from different birdcage liners, http://www.salon.com/2015/07/20/wesley_clark_disloyal_americans_should_be_tossed_in_internment_camps_for_the_duration_of_the_war_on_terror )
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-28/ron-paul-slams-gen-wesley-clark-he-kidding-internment-camps
ascii_field: http://www.copblock.org/132300/reasonable-cop-jumps-in-marines-car-shoots-him-to-save-himself << via qntra
ascii_field: the only way to have this is for everyone to also build the compiler
ascii_field: can you compile a 'hello world' with it ?
ascii_field: shinohai built his, for example
asciilifeform: machine room temp.
asciilifeform: room temp
asciilifeform: when obamitler is impaled at nuremberg - then, done, yes.
asciilifeform: mr nsa firmware diddler reads morning papers, for months, containing snowden (tm). decides to fuck his employer, who he never really liked
asciilifeform: hence same as if importing by post from ethiopia or whatever.
asciilifeform would like to be able to drink a ~decent~ cup of coffee without having to personally import, roast, and grind the beans
asciilifeform: specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud
ascii_field: (inquiring minds want to know: is there a physical 'dogecoin' ? and, importantly, is it made from pressed dogue shit?!)
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html
asciilifeform: it is also important to note that it is a ~heat engine~
asciilifeform: 'Berrett also used his company credit card to spend $131.08 with Interactive Life Forms, parent company of sex-toy maker Fleshlight, and listed the purchase as exam test prep questions, the indictment says. Berrett paid $226.50 for a wine shipment from the Gold Medal Wine Club, listing the purchase as a Bribe for the UNIX guys.'
asciilifeform: (consumer scanners, however, will not even attempt aes decrypt)
asciilifeform: coderwill: can still pick'em up with modern computerized scanner (p25)
asciilifeform: for comparison, an infantryman's basic rifle is ~$2k.
asciilifeform: what's to keep the enemy from simply walking around with a proper commercial tower business end
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214534 << they are simply imitating mit, the way small-time crooks slavishly imitate famous mega-sc4mz0rz
ascii_field: ^ entirely incomplete summary
ascii_field: when somebody like me says 'let's design computer from scratch', a 'roi/tco' type reads 'let's make a megatonne pyre of money and light it'
asciilifeform: could simply walks around and hope pastor doesn't notice ?
asciilifeform: 'GPG for data at rest. TLS for data in motion. You can also use Guttmans cryptlib, which has a sane API. Or Google Keyczar. They both have really simple interfaces, and they try to make it hard to do the wrong thing.' << l0l!!
asciilifeform: https://www.nccgroup.trust/uk/about-us/newsroom-and-events/blogs/2014/october/analysis-of-the-linux-backdoor-used-in-freenode-irc-network-compromise << oldie, from same
asciilifeform: <ben_vulpes> cranks need turning, no avoiding that. << wtf is the point of a computer if not to avoid this ?
asciilifeform: it was an example of a variety of ~sane behaviours in an os~
asciilifeform: the coveted 'garden of eden' situation where ~there isn't a microshit~, when there is not a usg department-of-computing that has its tentacles in every orifice - won't be coming back until some quasi-mythical breakthrough decentralizes chip fabbing
asciilifeform: onsequences of bad (working to destroy) and sometimes evil (intended to destroy) policy and ignorant idiots with too much power. One of the consequences is that software development is paid for over the marketing budgets, like cheap plastic pens with logo imprints that work no longer than you remember where you got it and T-shirts of so low quality that they couldn't have been sold as clothes -- when you give some trinket awa
asciilifeform: ly those in the government offices in charge of squeezing the juice of out the produce of society. I think the software crisis has been created by the tax laws and government officials who were unable to understand the value of the computer industry products. Since the Western business world is operating very closely in a trigger-response pattern relative to changes to the tax laws, the regulators are fully to blame for the
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i confess that i have not attempted to run it
asciilifeform: pgpdump: zlib inflate error (-3).
asciilifeform: Old: Compressed Data Packet(tag 8)
asciilifeform: $ pgpdump -i ak47_05243673e45fc4c4ce30467f8ffc003deec1d184.sh.sig
asciilifeform: even some of the most bitterly chumpatronic drm-encrusted turd formats aren't paginated
asciilifeform: https://github.com/Mieze/RTL8111_driver_for_OS_X/blob/master/RealtekRTL8111/RealtekRTL8111Linux-803700.cpp#L4737 << example
asciilifeform: several kinds are implemented. decoded 'in hardware' (that is to say, of course, by the thing running that microcode..)
asciilifeform: if someone is dumb enough to buy into such a chumpatron, why bother serving up anything but pablum
ascii_field: printing press - full, had to be emptied
asciilifeform: afaik all such chumpatrons are approximately the same
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: usg is specifically opposed to inexpensive, simple, reliable fission
asciilifeform: 'The senior officers of the GRU have a particular dislike of Western nuclear power stations, which reduce the West's dependence on imported oil (including Soviet oil) and make it stronger and more independent. They are one of spetsnaz's, most important targets.'
asciilifeform: 'They said it would be unrealistic to close more than 20 of 58 reactors now in operation in the next 10 years. The legislation also includes a target of reducing the country's greenhouse gas emissions by 40 percent by 2030, compared to the level in 1990. The new law aims to eventually halve France's energy consumption by 2050 from the 2012 level.'
asciilifeform: compare: http://soekris.com/products/net5501-60-board.html vs http://www.pcengines.ch/apu1d4.htm
asciilifeform: i didn't even discover the pseudostaticity of 'pseudostatic' bin until attempted a pogo run
asciilifeform: (in no case is the dope cost-competitive with the 'street')
asciilifeform: (and, more importantly, for doing virtually nothing!)
asciilifeform: saw it in museum, hanging, fuselage was the size of a compact car
asciilifeform: empty ?
asciilifeform: sorta the logical maximum of 'offload complexity to software'
asciilifeform: part of the reason for cutting heads is so that no one even begins to idly contemplate the notion that 'you didn't build that'
asciilifeform: revolution is so that you can make this 'computer' from meat.
asciilifeform: when nth beer is empty
asciilifeform: very easy to 'give less of a shit about govt' all the way until you find yourself trying the 'be tribal' thing in a usg death camp.
asciilifeform admires the audacity and virility of che et al separately from the peculiar follies of 20th c. mega-empires
ascii_field: hanbot: you are missing a c++ compiler
asciilifeform: 'Manwin used their traffic to sell ad space to those same production companies they enabled theft from. Production companies paid a lot for banners. Manwin then began buying the companies they had helped devalue, including Digital Playgroundthe company I was contracted to for a number of years. I believe the worst sorts of capitalists would consider Manwins behavior a win of the highest order.' << sop
asciilifeform: 'those with title to something worthless will find a way to extract value from it, making it even more worthless. An abandoned suburban subdivision might be worthless as housing, but valuable as a dump site for toxic waste.' (orlov, who else)
asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware << for those who missed re: 'sourceforge.'
asciilifeform: tcpdump -s 0 port 8333 -w turd.pcap
asciilifeform: i'ma let it run until it syncs, and then dump the blocks that ~did~ get through
asciilifeform: between this and the block parser, we have maybe a quarter of a cl implementation of bitcoin here...
asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/07/trial-for-alleged-ricin-importer-begins >>><<< http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014#623044
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu can haz a pcap dump of the ddos packets plz ?
ascii_field: in quite other news, i found a simple and software-only means of reading and writing the nand fw of 'miracast'
ascii_field: it gets thousands of these 'silent' connection attempts
asciilifeform: d immediately and held incommunicado, under house arrest at a minimum. No doubt foreign special services would have run rampant, looking for ways to undermine the revolutionary government. This would have called for drastic preemptive measures to physically eliminate foreign spies and agents before they could have had a chance to act. And so on. This wouldn't have been a job for fluffy mini-poodles. '
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208512 << mircea_popescu will be pleased to learn that this part of the program has been accomplished! i, for instance, have no idea what serious disposable money even smells like from a cannon's shot away !
asciilifeform: and for some more lulz. tried to find some material re: 'non-outsourceable puzzles', vaguely recalled that it was an idea whereby mining pool is made impossible on account of any participant being able to undetectably claim the entire reward for himself. then learned that there is no such field, properly speaking, as 'non-outsourceable puzzles', and that it was a crackpot creation of miller (the one featured in http://trilema.
asciilifeform wonders if anyone has carried out any serious public work whatsoever re: mempool tx propagation
asciilifeform: public discourse - aha, nasdaq, not mpex
asciilifeform: i am not impressed.
asciilifeform: e.g., 'lock the kidz in a room and let'em out once some of them compose a passable symphony'
asciilifeform: life is so empty without it
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1207955 << ample precedent for this crap. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=163 -- and also that famous find where 'skype' turned out to slow deliberately when CPUID instruction returned something other than intel
asciilifeform: and another (also experimental) that adds 'flushmempool'
asciilifeform: kinda reminds me of the 'why not connect air compressor to the tuba' concept
asciilifeform: if it can be done manually, economically, i would not be using a fucking computer !
asciilifeform: decimation: hardware can also make certain operations impractically unreliable (e.g., persistence across power toggles) or impractically slow (e.g., all-pointers-are-typed-pointers as on lispm will never happen on x86)
asciilifeform: didn't ben_vulpes get hold of an actual computer at some point recently ?
asciilifeform: on the real machine, you could actually execute the examples in the docs browser.
asciilifeform: that is, updates - dog-slow, for example
asciilifeform: mempool is by far the weakest link in the chain we have today
asciilifeform: optically-pumped repeaters are sop for... last decade ?
asciilifeform: quite empty
asciilifeform: punkman: here in dc region they use tanks of compressed co2
asciilifeform: phf: it would be absolutely trivial to send blocks in a sane way to compatible clients. 'embrace & extend' protocol
asciilifeform: think of it this way - the mempool isn't, by the same token, really 'part of bitcoin' either
asciilifeform: while remaining compatible
asciilifeform: generally speaking, your machine - to an attacker lacking the keys - must look exactly like an empty wall socket to the enemy.
asciilifeform: but the aspect i'd like to emphasize - one which mircea_popescu thought to be an optional frill and did not include in his spec - is the single-packet authentication.
asciilifeform: jurov: the point is that the million wolves are, in your example, all lining up at one gate
asciilifeform: ^ actually 9 out of 10 times that i smash some piece of shit from sheer contempt, it is because of chinafication and 'market' penny-shaving, rather than direct usg mandated suck
asciilifeform: 'It wouldnt surprise me to find, for example, a sudden proliferation of heavy-duty water cans in 1- and 5-gallon sizes, complete with nice spouts and vents, looking almost exactly like the gas cans you could get anywhere just a few years ago. How very interesting to discover this. Of course, this law-abiding writer would never advocate buying one of these and using it for some purpose other than what is written on the
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can take small computer, instrument with geophones, etc, and pour cement.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'vaultputer' - recall the ancient thread re: nuke test compliance geosensors ?
asciilifeform: no one thinks 'it is a computer'
ascii_field: empty jack
ascii_field: can buy a fucking computer for that.
ascii_field: of the most common protocols to NIC hardware in order to prevent spurious wake up and further reduce power consumption. The RTL8111E can offload ARP (IPv4) and NS (IPv6) protocols while in the D3 power saving state. '
ascii_field: (on the mr mold example from last night. got everything that's worth anything there)
ascii_field: ever look at what vt100 and its contemporaries cost ?
ascii_field lulz at the folks who nod when he says 'computer should cost $100k and be a heirloom' who then tell about the coffee they spilled in their 7th laptop
asciilifeform: there is a thicker, nameless book which contains the list of SES ('senior executive service') employees
asciilifeform: not because it is impossible to devise improved mechanisms - but on account of the 'pascal's wager' involved
asciilifeform had a thought: possibly, if satoshi's stash were ~larger~ than it is, he could be considered 'beyond reproach' if he were to surface and propose a fork, on the logic that he could not stand to gain from any deception. but it still would not rule out usgification, or simple error.
asciilifeform: and no $maxint pumped into the storage battery
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i misunderstood, your implication in earlier thread was that satoshi (in the person of his key) could pop up, propose some arbitrary strange, and have such carry weight on account of him being the famous satoshi
asciilifeform: mats: ~pumped~
asciilifeform: decimation: who 'doesn't care what it costs' - uses pumped hydro
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: musk is different in the sense of not running the usual 'populist' chumpatron
asciilifeform: entirely plausible that mr spamphone likes buying surplus.
asciilifeform: 'I know there has been concerning news about the NSA overstepping its bounds regarding data collection and the US government's lack of action. I have worked closely with many government officials. What may appear as an erosion of our constitutional rights, are actually programs critically important to the safety of our country. Without the NSA data gathering programs, there would have already been a "Cyber 9/11". Unfortunately
asciilifeform: 'Mr. Haba was Founder and Chief Technology Officer of Telco 214, an emerging leader in the international voice market that was successful in winning large market share from AT&T, MCI and Sprint. Mr. Haba began his career at Symetrics Industries, a publicly traded defense communications and computer telephony integrator....'
asciilifeform: more lulz, http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=EntityName&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=TELCO214US%20P970000566471&aggregateId=domp-p97000056647-66b1a73f-30ca-492d-9daf-a39cf89e72cb&searchTerm=Telco%20214%20Us%2C%20Inc.&listNameOrder=TELCO214US%20P970000566471
ascii_field: (fairly arbitrary example)
asciilifeform: (the only public example i know of)
asciilifeform: i suppose this is when i point out that symbolics co. employed a surprising (to modern reader) number of gurlz
asciilifeform: not empty. full of nonstd crud a la 'darkwallet'
asciilifeform: 'The charges announced today are part of a coordinated effort by a coalition of law enforcement authorities from 20 nations to charge, arrest or search 70 Darkode members and associates around the world. The nations comprising the coalition include Australia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Canada, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cyprus, Croatia, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Israel, Latvia, Macedonia, Nigeria, Romania, Serbia, Sweden, th
asciilifeform: http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/major-computer-hacking-forum-dismantled << from horse's mouth
ascii_field: ditto unlimited mempool
ascii_field: holy fuck is the mempool full of boiling liquid shit right now.
asciilifeform: '"I was not happy that we had to find this way," said Locke. "CRD employs 10 to 15 people, and they make a good, well-designed product. But we had to follow the rules." Issues around the Confederate battle flag did not enter into the Planning Board's deliberations, said Locke, adding in an email that "this is a very successful business that outgrew its existing location and permitting."'
asciilifeform is marvelling at the sheer winblowzistic retardation of having to restart anything to change a simple knob
asciilifeform: anybody got a raw bitwise dump of that block handy ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202343 << this contemptible bit of usgism suggests that one ought to use modern crypto in the camera. that would make it quite impossible for the enemy to determine that it had taken a photo of anyone in particular - or for that matter how many; or for it to disgorge any bits whatsoever to an enemy probe.
asciilifeform: what next, complain about the blue traffic lights in japan ?
asciilifeform: as in the 'berlin wall' example above.
asciilifeform: like any industrial-strength chumpamatic, usg-history typically leads you to 'conclude'... the very premises of the syllogism behind the conclusions.
asciilifeform: if anything, the turdalicious computer systems we have today are a consequence of cheap labour.
asciilifeform: a toolchain that works ~without even a part per billion of microshit~ is pure plutonium, plain and simple
asciilifeform: (for completeness, i will note that i will not maintain code mit undergrads wrote in '89. or '99. or '09. or at all.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hmmpppfffmf!
asciilifeform: rather than for the 2 percent off chumpatronics
asciilifeform: mats: i kinda wonder how many subscribers are paying not to see the lumpens
asciilifeform: but point taken. there is actually a mega-lulzy ru film about a captive ru derp used as 'computermaster' by chechens
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has it! lumpens.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was largely empty, iirc !
asciilifeform: but as far as those go, this is probably the size/mass/cost champ
asciilifeform: 'server' mobos have an annoying habit of including 'remote management' crapolade, however. caveat emptor.
ascii_field: nubbins`: 'How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. but at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You have to live - did live, from habit that became instinct - in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard...'
ascii_field: thestringpuller: but it is also true that most nodes presently have sufficient physical ram to hold the mempool
ascii_field: (and approximately same complexity)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: briefly describe hypothesis re: why an evict-oldest mempool node would end up isolated
ascii_field: this is not a bad scheme, but - complicated
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: was trying to point out that we need a mechanism to manage mempool on the node. just simple oldest-evict for starters.
ascii_field: we have two of these left: the block index (discussed previously, 300 byte per blk) and the mempool.
ascii_field: fluffypony: nah he wants to give mp his money
ascii_field: fromphuctor: the answer is no. any other questions ?
ascii_field: then you are officially fucked and i officially have zero sympathy.
ascii_field: fromphuctor: did you upload your key to sks? or did it live under your pillow, and you are telling us that someone stole it and uploaded it ?
ascii_field: fromphuctor: what other information? the only things visible are what is in your key - the name and email addr entered when it was generated.
ascii_field: fromphuctor: we even have a list of folks for whom some hooligan submitted entirely fraudulent (as far as we can tell) keys. nothing can be done about this.
asciilifeform: !up fromphuctor
ascii_field: fromphuctor: realize that anyone can submit anything to sks
ascii_field: fromphuctor: afaik nothing has ever disappeared from sks.
asciilifeform: pogo is going nowhere until we have a mempool limit mechanism.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, just the mempool on the s.nsa node is a GB and a half
asciilifeform: mod6: hexdump -C, then diff
asciilifeform: i also have a habit, of compulsively re-reading own patches
asciilifeform: doesn't imply endorsement
asciilifeform had actual static, in 'stator', compare with the elf attached there
asciilifeform: in other 'news', microshit has bitcoin nodes on its campus
ascii_field: no more and no less than the example here.
ascii_field: or the sheer militant idiocy in proclaiming the other exits innocent (by implication)
ascii_field: the rest will only contemplate 'caring' when the dildoes stop buzzing
ascii_field: on top of this, 4) from multiple competing vendors
ascii_field: slightly costlier than pogo; comparable specs; would need a mechanical adapter for usb drive
ascii_field: and is price-comparable with pogo
ascii_field: not 5 years from now when the fakes are stamped out by the millions.
ascii_field: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MXCHIP/MICO/master/MICO/Library/RF%20driver/wlan_firmware.c << and ~here~ is an example of what chinese consider to be 'open source'.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198964 << the 'open source chinese phones' thing is a complete snorefest. wake me up when street urchins can fab even a, e.g., z80
ascii_field: 'it appears that his hand was forced – legally – complete with gags and destruction orders.'
ascii_field: would be neat if i could learn this from looking at timestamps
ascii_field: i.e. one more thing i'd have to reimplement for msdos or bare-metal port.
ascii_field: i want log on mine, for example.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: thing is, i like cutting code. but i dislike inserting dependencies on complicated unixisms like autorotators.
asciilifeform: (is this standardized and implicit ?)
asciilifeform: but i never got into mmporgs at all. what sort of game is it where player is not the hero!
ascii_modem: back to the mexican fella - in a very important sense he is more dependent on usg staying in business than a u.s. post office director
ascii_modem: i would personally be surprised to learn that anyone bothered to implement multicpu ver prior to 950+kb blocks
ascii_modem: in this example
ascii_modem: try example
ascii_modem: decimation: there is no reason to reimplement bash loop, etc in something like blkcut
ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198038 << lol, see mp's 'psychology of bag...'
ascii_modem: i wanted to explain that i don't evaluate softs in comparison with microshit. just as i don't evaluate meal by comparing with a tall glass of liquishit.
ascii_modem: which compiler
ascii_field: decimation et al: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/fud-halt-all-trading-very-important-info-inside-42.246888 << one of the few search hits for that 19VAb9zAhpWLaWfEuqw9HXup2zaNoNPPyE
ascii_field: decimation: parallelizing the sig verify thing would be pretty simple
ascii_field: i'm not sure how a compiler which produces a 300KB 'hello world' and 800KB 'virus' could evoke anything but derisive laughter
ascii_field: trinque: even the 'project olympic games' team at nsa seems to use 100% vs
ascii_field: i'm still floored by all the drooling morons who think that you need to build code under microshit's compiler, when writing turdware
ascii_field: ^ namely, the fact that we even think about 'moles' is indicative of how low the entire computing thing has fallen
ascii_field: on one side of the coin - someone to vouch for them, prevent laugh-out-of-the-room; on other - to avoid 'having problems', wash the money, handle employees who might like to go free-agent
ascii_field: nothing really remarkable in the turd, just a 'complete set'
ascii_field: and not enough rubidium lamps for every pc
ascii_field: were sympathetic to the idea. but nothing came of it, as nothing could have
ascii_field: trinque: important to remember that these folks are just as powerless to do constructive things as they are to do serious damage
asciilifeform: anybody's guess whether gps will decay from sat attrition (as glonas did in the 'roarin' 90s' ru) before usa implodes, civilian aviation on its territory Officially ends, and public freebie is turned off
asciilifeform: 'The talk concludes with a first-hand description of Project GREAT, perhaps the ultimate DIY clock experiment. Van Baak methodically selected three of his best portable cesium clocks, outfitted the family minivan (with his wife's permission) as a traveling time laboratory, and drove with his three children up the highest mountain in Washington State. After staying on Mt. Rainier for a long weekend they returned home to compare
asciilifeform always thought that a 'proper' computer oughta include a bnc jack for rb or cesiumfountain on front panel
asciilifeform: mod6: phf wrote a tx dumper
asciilifeform: and not sure if there is a simple way to weasel out of using the rodent here
asciilifeform: this is not seriously important in this case, but it follows 'unix philosophy' in the sense that a proggy returning false lets you use its failure as part of a shell script
asciilifeform: for completeness, i will also mention the possibility that we (or what al can see of us in his light-cone) didn't pass his bozo filter.
asciilifeform: make sure to compare epoch clock
asciilifeform not a big fan of the whole 'mempool' scheme, but has said this before, it's in the logz
asciilifeform: less than my computer, even
asciilifeform: trinque: your stockpile probably isn't complete without a stack of 'mitsui' gold-reflector cd burns
asciilifeform: i have it. has some extraneous garbage, but appears to actually contain... satoshi's complete posts
asciilifeform: 'Not every spys data is in the system. The CIA conducts its own security clearance investigations and keeps that data to itself. Even so, some U.S. officials have said that a foreign spy service might be able to identify U.S. intelligence operatives by comparing stolen OPM records with rosters of U.S. personnel at embassies overseas.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he's a compulsive ant-stomper. went where the enviro-whiners congregate
asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Quality-IIC-Module-Real-Time-Clock-Memory-Module-For-Arduino-DS3231-AT24C32-/400932997447 << also temp-compensated ?
asciilifeform: might be time to attempt persuading him to visit, again.
asciilifeform: 'Anyway, it is my considered opinion (along with, I wager, most everyone else's) that positively the ONLY way that's getting show to be inconsistent is by some intoxicated kids during having sex or somesuch. Everything else was tried to death.' (from mircea_popescu's www) <<<< 'ftl drive will be discovered by an ee student on the verge of flunking, designing stero amps.' (al schwartz)
asciilifeform: sometimes the 'construct future with past' thing gets taken up and run ragged, though. as in the case of 'square the circle with ruler and compass' problem that drove folks batshit until 19th c even.
asciilifeform: highest compliment paul e. could give a colleague was to say 'this is from The Book'
asciilifeform: back to the miners, i say that if money were the handy iq test mircea_popescu suggests it is, this kind of situation would be quite impossible.
asciilifeform: partly this is on account of the derpitude of keeping them all in a warehouse, rather than having chumps pay for power
asciilifeform: not impossible, but not strictly a matter of 'wanting to' either
asciilifeform: better example - pluto
asciilifeform: if he's an arm wrestling champ !
asciilifeform: will is not a scalar. perelman has will, mircea_popescu has will, i have will, and napoleon had will, and comparing magnitudes alone is rank nonsense
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, the impression i get is that you think 'will' is a scalar
asciilifeform: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1Pcs-New-RTC-DS1302-Real-Time-Clock-Module-For-AVR-ARM-PIC-SMD-Arduino-Y5RP-/311396590299 << example
asciilifeform: i also learned last night that chinese rtc modules, complete with battery, are about fifty cents in quantity
asciilifeform: jurov: the particular example, 'gossip', ~is~ jam tomorrow, yes. but it is possible to run encrypted tunnels of various sorts even today.
asciilifeform: i must confess that i'm not 100% clear on the primary mission. but did have the distinct impression that it involves making use of net jacks that don't have literate and attentive humans attached to them
asciilifeform: there will simply be more folks who get to drive the obligatory 1-2 hr
asciilifeform: the only thing new infrastructure is used for, in usa, is to pack in more chumps for same kind of life.
asciilifeform: it hands it out there for historical reasons (it is where the majority of the chump candidates live, given as that is where the anthill mega-cities are found)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193991 << was linked as 'entomological sample' ! specifically, example of folks 'spinning their wheels'
asciilifeform: it is merely an example