coderwill: it's amazing how private companies have effectively firewalled freedom of thought/speech through broadcast frequencies
decimation: coderwill: it's so effective nobody even thinks in those terms
phf: the question at the end of the day is, what to transmit. pirate in question had a pretty fixed, pkd-ish narrative. how many people would tune in and go "huh, that's so fucking cool, a crazy anarchis broadcast." just to tune out few minutes later
decimation: when was the last time you heard someone advocate the local tv station justify their monopoly on the supposedly public spectrum?
decimation: but it takes even more power to be heard
decimation: plus the same problem with the fcc van
BingoBoingo: The one in car normally tuned to AM rather than FM
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2014 01:10:57; asciilifeform: a tale was once told to me by one fellow 'in the know': russia sold gps jammers (serious ones, not the chinese pocket gizmos off ebay) to iraq, shortly prior to '03 american invasion. but iraq didn't pay the full invoice. so, the vendor neglected to remind the buyer that they must be arranged in a ring pattern and operated in unison
decimation: yeah it takes a special idiot to use strong gps jammer in a usg free-fire zone
decimation: yeah, would first have to surround said general
decimation: the iraqs seemed incapable of organizing the day's post
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah a particularly lulzy strategy
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or is 'stripper' merely another word for whore in modern parlance ? << It often is.
trinque: can't be the whole picture
decimation: it would have been cheaper to hire the strippers as secretaries
BingoBoingo: Likely issue is with $maxint money it becomes easy to forget what reasonable prices are, end up with human golden toilet
coderwill: why, in the lottery of life is one born to be able to spend $241K at a club, and another, by solely being born in a different lat/long only perhaps earning $241 after working for 6-9 months
phf: i've seen a some american univ arabs burn 20-30k a night at k street clubs on bottle service, and that's dc. i can imagine you can do some serious damage in new york clubs
phf: a bottle of stoly will cost you $200 just to get a table, and then $500 for dom perignon and things like that. 2007 or so it was chick to order top shelf, open them, and then not drink them, i.e. have a bunch of bottles barely touched, just because you could
decimation: asciilifeform: I was reading about volkswagon and there's an amusing connection there
phf: asciilifeform: these were mostly sons of minor arab families, sent to american university, because "america" in name to get western education. couple of them had kids of same age, parents at home "full expenses paid", kids education paid, but otherwise slave to prince in question
decimation: hilter campaigned on the idea that car makers were intentionally ignoring the poor masses with their products
phf: but i've personally not seen a single instance of "taleb's library" in anywhere around capitol hill
phf: asciilifeform: hey, i grew up in moscow, what do you expect? *i* expect saudi prince to drink fine wine and have learned debates supported by ibn-sina quotess and such :>
trinque: that's just good taste if you're going to pick between.
decimation: the original name of volkswagen (people's-wagen) was "strength through joy"-wagen
phf: drink wine. this is life eternal. this is all that youth will give you. it is the season for wine, roses and drunken friends.
decimation: anyone who lives within walking distance of capitol hill is spending their waking hours attempting to maintain their position
decimation: " Albert Speer, said in his final speech at the Nuremberg trials:
decimation: “ Hitler's dictatorship differed in one fundamental point from all its predecessors in history. His was the first dictatorship [...] which made the complete use of all technical means for domination of its own country. Through technical devices like the radio and loudspeaker, 80 million people were deprived of independent thought. It was thereby possible to subject them to the will of one man."
decimation: if only hitler had made iphones with nasdp app!
decimation: actually the nasdp would have hearily approved of 'tinder', etc
decimation: as long as it resulted in more german births
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 16:31:47; asciilifeform: this is, by some indications, a non-renewable resource that's getting burned up rather quickly
decimation: yeah in the case of france it was 'derpy peasants' and 'austro-hungarian wealth'
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:41:56; mircea_popescu: i see " The project, titled, The Science and Applications of Crypto-Currency, will feature David Van Horn, Jonathan Katz, Michael Hicks as Co-PD(s)/co-PI(s)."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00053837 = 28.8028 BTC [-]
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assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:06:30; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214249 << astonishing hipster idiocy. just like, e.g., 'hemingwriter'. ('let's make laptop shaped like typewriter! that'll bring western civilization back!') idiot cargocultists. 'let's omit all, even the few useful features like 'who called' from cell phone! that'll bring the 1950s and american industry back!'
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assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:21:19; decimation: why else would you buy a newspaper?
mircea_popescu: that last one is especially indicative, she's made a career such as it is out of depicting herselv, which is to say, aging stupid woman with delusions of "intellectual", a sort of julia a moore of the current generation. except that in 1930 the opriginal was a laughingstock, and today every other female is basically wiig in a slightly varied color scheme.
mircea_popescu: in any case, that's denton's unforgivable crime : that he pointed out to the anal children that their self-delusions are not only impossible, and not only ridiculous. they're actually NOT FOOLING ANYONE. such an ego wound is intolerable, and you can fully expect "the entire blabla" to walk out in a fury. because they were only "working" for gawker to protect this particular egotastic trip, nothing ewlse. which is why t
mircea_popescu: hey can go on pretending like they're making a salary when they're not actually being paid.
mircea_popescu: ego trips being of course an economic surplus phenomenon, and the us being pretty much wrung out of any sort of surplus whatsoever, expect a lot of such arguments to come.
mircea_popescu: (ps - it's not incidental all the examples are women. this is very strictly a female mental issue)
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:30:46; phf: ibrik still requires a source of heat, and next thing you know you're trying to buy a hovoli machine from turkey
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:34:59; phf: of course you can't cook coffee with a samovar, nor make tea with ibrik, so it's apples and oranges anyway
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:41:28; trinque: lost on most is the value of being yelled at by a learned person.
mircea_popescu: chiefly through reintroducing the "died a horrible painful death through not having had the golden blessed opportunity of there being any learned persons able or willing to scream at him"
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:44:55; asciilifeform: they are quite like ordinary barnacles, the kind found on ships
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's easy to overlook just how almighty powerful the wot system and the signature chain is in dealing with these schmucks. once my "you don't exist" approach as deployed on that tim schmuckley fellow is realised, that's the end of barnacling.
mircea_popescu: which explains both why they writhe and wiggle so when the salt is applied, - oh they don't "need" the wot dontcha know, because "they have irl friends!!1" and other bs defenses of the specific sort of retard. what, like i'm 16 and covered in pimples and i'm going to care some derp from the enemy camp doesn't think so much of my social proof ? herp.
mircea_popescu: and it also explains the various hangers ons stuffing the channel here, got their sig registered and trying to scrape as much support and connectivity without doing any sort of actual work.
mircea_popescu: which sure, seems to work to some degree. obviously this is ONLY the case because we don't actually care yet, and will go away once the other valve is closed. but hey, they don't have to KNOW THIS. let 'em hope.
shinohai: Nothing good is accomplished without hard work. :/
mircea_popescu: btw shinohai : you can probably easiest enumerate trilema by going to trilema.com/2014/01 etc. 12 months each year.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:54:13; asciilifeform: conceivably the three deps ought to be a package each
assbot: You rated user asciilifeform on 30-Nov-2013, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: 4 First man to factor a 4096 RSA key in the history of computing..
shinohai: will do mircea_popescu. It appears your weekend warriors bought the extended package, however.
mircea_popescu: !rate asciilifeform 5 Instrumental in implementing the new computing paradigm.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.asciilifeform.5:a22764b43e49e3ced01c6e1e606244e25c4ea7fe34d5f40fda3447a6b6b20a7d
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 5 to 5 with note: Instrumental in implementing the new computing paradigm.
shinohai: Looks like it was up minutes before I started making cofee, fml
shinohai: Not like if I archived trilema, they eventually wouldn't attack that too .... but such is life.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:00:35; asciilifeform: why did he not say 'buy modem'
mircea_popescu: shinohai mebbe you misunderstand something here, but how exactly would "they" attack your own, private copy of trilema ?
mircea_popescu: or was your idea of "a copy for personal use" somehow morphed into "i'm just going to steal this dude's site and put it online" ?
shinohai: No, not "steal" trilema. Not at all.
shinohai: I meant if anyone found out where I hosted it at.
shinohai: I have webspace that isn't being used at all, other than my contact info page.
mircea_popescu: you have a license to save the pages on your own hard drive, not to publish them on your own web server.
shinohai: I wanted to talk to you about that actually, thought I mentioned it previously.
shinohai: Same way I know I can't just curl The New York Times and serve it up on my page.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, set your curl or w/e to pull pages an' save them, that way you can always read 'em
mircea_popescu: (sane browsers would do this automatically anyway. lynx does, for instance, which is perhaps why sane people, ie most trilema readership, don't care so much)
shinohai: If there was a print version of trilema and qntra, I'd swear I'd subscribe.
shinohai: Hmmm I need to give lynx another look.
shinohai: Me too, so I do advocate recycling newsprint.
mircea_popescu: i dunno about subscription model for qntra, and prolly too soon anyway.
shinohai: I emailed you about subscription a few weeks back. I determined my browser is just an asshole
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shinohai: Yes, never got the purchase credits email.
shinohai: I got your personal email that you sent, but you said you had a bug to fix on trilema iirc
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mircea_popescu: well, someone somewhere must be shredding your emails en route.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:12:30; asciilifeform: my current understanding is that 'imsi catcher' is an artifact specifically of the bureaucratic side of usg. intercept at the tower, where the bits hit a land line, is trivial and no one has to leave his chair - but the paperwork is annoying. hence squaddie and 'catcher'
shinohai: Well the Boy Scouts of America has lifted the ban on gay leaders, so maybe Obama has career options after his term.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00054588 = 4.5308 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> Hmmm I need to give lynx another look. << Lately I've been liking w3m
mircea_popescu: pretty sure w3m also saves your pages if you tell it to.
shinohai: A lot of features I need to get up to speed on but it's nice.
BingoBoingo: w3m is also a nice web browser for shoving into other places like emacs
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:52:09; phf: there was a guy at DC network security meetups who broadcasted fm anarchist radio from his van. he'd park it in random downtown locations, etc. i believe he's been picked up and fined more then once. that was 2003 or so, probably can't get away with something like this now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47850 @ 0.00054655 = 26.1524 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:53:39; asciilifeform: no reason why 'pirate radio' can't be matchbox-sized, solar-powered, and dropped from quadcopter in 100 places within an hour.
mircea_popescu: very few all-out wars happen in nature. watch the nature channel for the lowdown of this, ever wondered "so why doesn't this dumb buck just gore the other one ???"
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:01; coderwill: it's amazing how private companies have effectively firewalled freedom of thought/speech through broadcast frequencies
mircea_popescu: nor is there, nor was there ever, nor will there exist for as long as fucking life on earth a "right to speak". freedom to speak, yes, but this is very fucking different.
mircea_popescu: the controlling issue being, that no one may ~prevent~ you from speaking, provided a silence for your speech was made by the people. but there god damned shan't nor should be a mechanism to MAKE that silence so you may speak.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:32; phf: the question at the end of the day is, what to transmit. pirate in question had a pretty fixed, pkd-ish narrative. how many people would tune in and go "huh, that's so fucking cool, a crazy anarchis broadcast." just to tune out few minutes later
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:50; decimation: when was the last time you heard someone advocate the local tv station justify their monopoly on the supposedly public spectrum?
mircea_popescu: a monopoly is a monopoly. it is not better somehow magically for "being justified". it takes no justification whatever past the very simple test of its existence.
jurov: if you don't limit yourself to the one most overcrowded frequency band, then there are plenty of options
jurov: there's a nutjob apocalyptic-prepper shortwave station, with 5-euro receivers widely available they seem to get some audience
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:08:48; asciilifeform: pay serious coin, as if for whores, but no sex
mircea_popescu: which is why iut's worth more than the simple 20 dollar half and half
mircea_popescu: exactly the case of that schmuck who wanted random ho to NOT BE SEEN with the black dudes she fucks.
mircea_popescu: the fact that he couldn't get it up aptly reflected in the fact that nobody ended up with a mouthfull of ballsac for derping about how "he's racist" etc.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:12:17; coderwill: why, in the lottery of life is one born to be able to spend $241K at a club, and another, by solely being born in a different lat/long only perhaps earning $241 after working for 6-9 months
mircea_popescu: so this problem should be fixed at the top, and coincidentally it's getting so fixed.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:16:21; phf: a bottle of stoly will cost you $200 just to get a table, and then $500 for dom perignon and things like that. 2007 or so it was chick to order top shelf, open them, and then not drink them, i.e. have a bunch of bottles barely touched, just because you could
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:18:59; asciilifeform: we all laughed at rpietilla, but his antics were based on what actual $maxintillionaries do.
mircea_popescu: "Mister buff deserves no mercy. As you torture this guy remind yourself constantly that your woman would like to fuck him! Beat his pretty ass bro!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.000549 = 22.3992 BTC [+]
decimation: re: monopoly < note that in this case 'monopoly' means 'the crown will send its agents against you if you use my frequency'
decimation: and jurov is right, there are plenty of fairly successful shortwave pirates, apparently because nobody gives a fuck
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ascii_field: the binary is a full MB smaller than glibc stator, too
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 10:35:43; mircea_popescu: hey can go on pretending like they're making a salary when they're not actually being paid.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 10:59:43; mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.asciilifeform.5:a22764b43e49e3ced01c6e1e606244e25c4ea7fe34d5f40fda3447a6b6b20a7d
ascii_field: (did anybody actually get 'rotor' running, or mircea_popescu et al are only clapping in anticipation ?)
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 12:22:21; jurov: there's a nutjob apocalyptic-prepper shortwave station, with 5-euro receivers widely available they seem to get some audience
shinohai: I haven't yet ascii_field, I am still doing the required reading. ( musl doesn't work for me)
shinohai: OS Debian 8. Built a binary just fine but it doesn't run. :/
jurov: ascii_field: what do you mean? i'm having full meal with soda for 5e
shinohai: Starts then crashes, lemme restart real quick.
shinohai: Ok ascii_field that works fine, thx. Next step for me is to attempt an arm build.
shinohai: This I am supposed to do on the pogo itself?
ascii_field: don't bother ever trying to build anything ~on~ pogo
shinohai: I found out that building on the pogo i an exercise in futility.
ascii_field: so shinohai is a winner! first fella to repeat 'rotor' ?
shinohai: If you leave enough monkeys in a room full of typewriters, they shall reproduce the works of Shakespeare
shinohai: I'm not sure if mod6 finished his last night or not. I quit about 11 p.m. because I was pretty buzzed.
jurov: only if you allow both the monkeys and the typewriters to procreate
mod6: <+shinohai> I'm not sure if mod6 finished his last night or not. I quit about 11 p.m. because I was pretty buzzed. << i hit the same problem as trinque
assbot: Tech: NSA to purge phone records cache; Planned Parenthood site under attack - The Washington Post ... (
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trinque: the first; I don't give a shit about the second.
trinque: just means whatever they're doing now, they've got a bullshit legal argument for why it isn't "bulk"
trinque: the device diddling is probably comprehensive by now; who needs to collect data at the ISP level?
trinque: or rather, who needs to collect data from anywhere other than the devices around a target
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:10:23; asciilifeform: again the 'all keys' thing
trinque: ascii_field: they damned well do have the "keys" to android, iOS, so on
trinque: nobody needs to collect data from AT&T
ascii_field: trinque: mass trawling is not only cheaper but less 'glass cannon' than snarfing from individual device
ascii_field: (in the latter, there is always a chance that victim - notices)
ascii_field: ... or even that victim is an annoying bugger who keeps honeypots
trinque: in the case of cell phones my assumption is that they can read memory from the baseband
trinque: what's to detect other than baseband firmware that was already there?
ascii_field: if the point is to switch on the microphone, camera - victim might notice
ascii_field: (if he is in the habit of sniffing packets, or examining the eeprom)
ascii_field: (why the latter? modern 'bugging' is typically of the 'store and forward' school of thought)
trinque: makes sense, intermittent bursts of packets vs a constant stream
trinque: ascii_field: the phone companies themselves are now the "bulk collectors"
trinque: jurov: I can't change settings on the ml, yet I have cookies enabled
trinque: specifically I'm set not to receive messages. is this because my mail was bouncing before?
trinque: I re-enabled non-tls connections on my own mailserver; pls halp?
jurov: what host do you use? several domains are aliased there, "therealbitcoin.org" whould work
trinque: redirects to the screen to enter your password when I save settings
trinque: jurov: if it's easier, I just want delivery on, digest off, mime on
jurov: trinque i tested it, it does set the options but does not do any feedback
trinque: jurov: for you are the newly set options displayed on the next pageload?
trinque: when I reload the page, still says disabled
jurov: when i submit it shows back the log in page
jurov: after relogin it shows changed options
trinque: yeah, mine aren't changing
trinque: in either firefox or chrome
ben_vulpes: in particular, "“[I’m looking for] 5:1 (risk /reward). Five to one means I’m risking one dollar to make five. What five to one does is allow you to have a hit ratio of 20%. I can actually be a complete imbecile. I can be wrong 80% of the time, and I’m still not going to lose.”"
jurov: trinque try waiting 10 minutes and login again to see the options. according to http headers, the options page gets cached, gotta fix it :(
trinque: jurov: "Note: your list delivery is currently disabled; it was disabled due to excessive bounces. The last bounce was received on 30-Jun-2015."
trinque: perhaps an admin must re-enable?
trinque: jurov: according to quick googling, an admin will have to remove me from a blocklist in the "membership management" page
shinohai: Yes. I have followed those instructions from the ml and still have no idea what I'm doing. I'm shoving this to the back burner.
trinque: crossdev on gentoo is pretty sweet.
shinohai: I was trying to do a stator pogo build on Debian.
trinque: I see the wisdom of buildroot though, really limits the number of variables
shinohai: I'm sure it is a good thing for someone with far more experience with this sort of thing than I. :/
trinque: imagine your luck, bumping into another world of things to learn.
trinque: ben_vulpes: your method of writing bash such that it can be sourced for functions is top notch.
ben_vulpes: 'tis the only way to work with this pile of crud.
ben_vulpes: i've no patience for commenting out chunks of build scripts to determine why for example boost has failed to compile
ben_vulpes: what i am going to do is type `compile_boost' at the cli, and it is going to behave the way i want it to.
ben_vulpes: how stan goes mad for the lispm and then refuses to treat the shell as a repl boggles my mind.
trinque: ben_vulpes: nick at am was the bash wizard, impressed upon me the power of the pipe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00053525 = 17.9844 BTC [-]
shinohai: well trinque I love a challenge, sometimes a step back and moar research is required for me though.
jurov: trinque you're set now to receive email
jurov: and configuration is now set to no-cache too
jurov: my aws setup was so far most ddos resistant.. but it's pita to set up
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assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 19:04:57; ben_vulpes: how stan goes mad for the lispm and then refuses to treat the shell as a repl boggles my mind.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 18:54:53; trinque: crossdev on gentoo is pretty sweet.
ascii_field: can't use glibc toolchain to build binaries with musl
ascii_field: so far we've been trying to weasel out of maintaining a whole #b-a linux distro, but i'm not certain that it is avoidable.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57300 @ 0.00053517 = 30.6652 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes right ! perel's probably the most interesting author i've come across this year.
pete_dushenski: she might also be the only chick on my 'mega-recommended book list'
pete_dushenski: will durant's wife, ariel, is also on the list. so i guess esther isn't alone after all.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: what's the difference between musl and glibc?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: but, more pertinently - less shitgnomery
pete_dushenski: i guess if there's going to be a female coach in any pro sport, it'll be the one with the most coaches per team.
mats: searching logs is a pain in the ass nao
trinque: shinohai: beautiful how bitcoin forces hard definitions, such as for "own" and "understand"
trinque: guy thinks he understands bitcoin because he can use the UI of a qt program
trinque: gets his hand blown off, maybe, or at least has the fear put in him.
shinohai: Some ppl should not be allowed to use BTC
trinque: well, he'll learn on his own
shinohai: I haven't used QT in like 2 years
ascii_field isn't sure he ever saw the gui client up close & alive
shinohai: I'd rather learn how thins actually work instead of getting bloated versions with useless "features"
ascii_field: anyway, notice that his reaction was ~NOT~ to visit therealbitcoin.org & get the real client.
shinohai: Educating oneself on how change addresses work couldnta hurt.
shinohai: O.o pete_dushenski You sell physical coins?
shinohai: I love silver, dunno why. I bought some stuff from bigtimespaghetti on there.
ascii_field: (inquiring minds want to know: is there a physical 'dogecoin' ? and, importantly, is it made from pressed dogue shit?!)
pete_dushenski: ascii_field these coins are likely worth more to someone else than it is to me.
pete_dushenski: physical dogecoin is printed on a piece of cut-out cardboard from an empty cereal box
jurov: pressing coins is high tech. they just leave chunks dry
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shinohai: @ pete_dushenski Bought some goxxed coins and a couple of Unobtanium bars
shinohai: Even tho I despise altcoins now.
pete_dushenski: goxxed coins ? weren't those just paper promises sold by bagholders to suckers during gox's meltdown ?
pete_dushenski: lol fucken eh does fat bastard ever look like he has down syndrome
shinohai: If nothing else, it is like all my USG silver. I can melt it into skulls one day.
shinohai: One day maybe I'll commission a #b-a silver bitcoin.
shinohai: We can put mircea_popescu's head on it
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 14:14:25; decimation: re: monopoly < note that in this case 'monopoly' means 'the crown will send its agents against you if you use my frequency'
mircea_popescu: for which reason there exists an effectual challenge to monopoly, such as "organised resistance" via "sindicalism".
mircea_popescu: prooving to the monopolist he's nopt ready or not able to shoot as many as it takes === defeating the monopoly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24638 @ 0.00054708 = 13.479 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: because sunlight eaters make for "poor company", is it ? so then.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: when tuned (vs sparkgap!) radio first appeared, the extension of traditional land rules to the spectrum seemed like a logical thing. because 'trespassers' in radio were loud and stationary, and easily detected. but this does not have to be so!
ascii_field: with sdr, law could be just as effective against 'radio pirate' as it is against rats and mice.
mircea_popescu: Finally, my question: All of my transactions into the Trezor showed up as confirmed as soon as they got confirmed, however the send transaction (through Coinbase at our donation web sites) took hours to show up as confirmed in the myTrezor wallet even though it had many, many confirmation on blockchain.info
mircea_popescu: It did not cause any issues, I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this weird delay.
mircea_popescu: BTW: Homeland Security was storing all the seized Bitcoins on a Trezor that they either purchased or seized from someone else!
mircea_popescu: ascii_field iirc there is a deisgn for the practical use of this, awaiting its completers on trilema. so what of it ?
ascii_field: just pointing out the connection to the 'radio monopoly' thread linked earlier.
mircea_popescu: yes. the one thing distributed barely detectable weak emitters is actually used for.
ascii_field: noting that spectrum is not actually same as land.
mircea_popescu: ah, i thought you were saying you're confused somethiong
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ascii_field: re: spectrum, it can be made to resemble land less and less (what is the land-trespass equivalent of spread-spectrum transmission ?)
mircea_popescu: dude every wp link seems dumber than the previous. can't discern if it's because i'm getting smarter or they're "hiring" worse and worse congenital retards, but anyway. ima stop clicking
mircea_popescu: ascii_field women can be made to resemble women less and less and less, doesn't mean sarah silverman is now some sort of "transcendent post-gender bla bla" categorically different thing.
ascii_field: point was, 'property right' is only as interesting as the ability to enforce it
ascii_field: (otherwise we have disney pulling own cock)
mircea_popescu: if you recal my out of hand rejection of property as an analytical tool in a previous discussion about what htings ARE, you won't be surprised it applies here.
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 15:32:26; mircea_popescu: a commodity is a commodity. why's property enter into this ?
mircea_popescu: i had nfi idea bad postcards from the 1920s "deeply offend jews". how did they make it through the early 1900s if this is the case is anyone's guess.
trinque: "A chaste, responsible White mother with her children. Scenes like this deeply offend the Jews???"
mircea_popescu: o wait - they didn't! clearly. which is why holocaust was a lie tututuuu!
trinque: that sick jew is way hotter than these porcelain doll women
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 17:23:05; trinque: just means whatever they're doing now, they've got a bullshit legal argument for why it isn't "bulk"
mircea_popescu: trinque she'd be ok, except she has this by now very pointedly obvious sex fright issue which kind-of ruins her entire shtick by enveloping it in a very strong stale loser odor.
mircea_popescu: but hey, maybe she runs into princess donna one day, does one of those public humiliation things and comes to humanity.
trinque: yeah, her comedy isn't great; says "vagina" and tries to play cute
mircea_popescu: it's cute the first 300 times. after which it starts to occur that "why am i hanging in a room where a 40 yo woman that STILL has dumb virgin perisexual issues derps on ?"
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 18:45:34; ben_vulpes: in particular, "“[I’m looking for] 5:1 (risk /reward). Five to one means I’m risking one dollar to make five. What five to one does is allow you to have a hit ratio of 20%. I can actually be a complete imbecile. I can be wrong 80% of the time, and I’m still not going to lose.”"
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 18:54:32; shinohai: Yes. I have followed those instructions from the ml and still have no idea what I'm doing. I'm shoving this to the back burner.
shinohai: I'm not giving up. Just need a breather then perhaps it will clarify itself for me.
shinohai: My first stator build failed at least 6 times.
mircea_popescu: sure. problem still exists irrespective of how you handle it.
mircea_popescu: "The innovation machine is running at full speed in the wrong direction." << heh. yes, keep copies of your old browsers, for the new ones will be less and less useful.
trinque: mats: it's probably that character
trinque: I continue to discover new character sets which cause some or another component to barf
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assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 21:40:30; mircea_popescu: this is quickly becoming the #1 problem for us.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 19:46:35; ascii_field: so far we've been trying to weasel out of maintaining a whole #b-a linux distro, but i'm not certain that it is avoidable.
trinque: ah, oop in common lisp just arrived
mats: any guesses on what character its moaning about this time trinque?
trinque: mats: there's a "section" sign in the footnotes
trinque: I mean, the fucking thing should work on arbitrary bits wrapped in a signature
trinque: so oops on my part as well
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assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 21:58:15; trinque: I mean, the fucking thing should work on arbitrary bits wrapped in a signature
mircea_popescu: "wow ok. Sounds like nobody thought it would get this big.
mircea_popescu: They need to make the next version use a better database system that is not linearly.
mircea_popescu: gotta love tardstalk. almost as good as washington post, in that it's not merely written by retards,
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 20:33:13; ascii_field: anyway, notice that his reaction was ~NOT~ to visit therealbitcoin.org & get the real client.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 20:43:47; pete_dushenski: physical dogecoin is printed on a piece of cut-out cardboard from an empty cereal box
shinohai: Wonderful, it even has an rss feed.
nubbins`: muscle memory is a weird thing
nubbins`: i coulda SWORN i just typed in my pgp passphrase completely and utterly wrong
nubbins`: somehow: 100+ chars, no mistakes
nubbins`: mircea_popescu asciilifeform "physical doge" was totally a thing. iirc copper rounds?
nubbins`: dogecoin belongs in a "classic hype machines of the information age" textbook
nubbins`: for a while i was paid to develop bespoke widgets for "microsoft sharepoint", a CMS/DMS that is the biggest piece of shit you'll never see
nubbins`: no kidding, every now and then some internal piece of code would return an array of strings as a single, very large string, with entries separated by the escape string "#;"
nubbins`: move over CSV, P/SCSV is the new kid in town
nubbins`: they also reappropriated all these general words like "Site" and "Web" and gave them specific definitions
nubbins`: and then literally reversed a bunch of the terms in the next version, so a site was now a web and a web was now a site
nubbins`: but of course they didn't update the API
nubbins`: Web mySite = new Web(); would create a Site object
nubbins`: Site myWeb = new Site(); would create....
nubbins` facepalms thrice, runs out of hands, uses desk
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nubbins`: anyway i gotta fuck off talking about that
nubbins`: having a bad tech day and reminiscing about nightmares past isn't helping
phf: hehe, maybe you also have PAIP in djvu?
nubbins`: smooth talkers win more often than not
nubbins`: i find people don't want X so much as they want the experience of choosing/buying/being sold X
nubbins`: nobody wanted windows, they wanted the experience of being dazzled by shiny things
nubbins`: once the foot's in the door, sure, act changes
nubbins`: nowadays they're riding the wave
nubbins`: and windows uh, what is it now? 10?
nubbins`: or was it the pneumatic water-based lift thing
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell shinohai played with Dillo today. Seems to be promising "graphical" www browser
nubbins`: Bleyle admits that repairs can be pricey, especially hand-rewinding a DC motor, which can run between US $30 000 and $40 000. But he says even a refurbished motor looks cheap compared with the $500 000 cost of replacing the elevator, not to mention the months of involuntary stair climbing during the upgrade.
nubbins`: “Usually people just go for the motor,” says Bleyle.
nubbins`: at some point in my life, i'd like to require the rewinding of a motor
nubbins`: fairly unlikely at this point tho.
shinohai: Looks pretty interesting BingoBoingo, bookmarked.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Seems to address the much neglected niche of graphical www without any scripting. Apparently default browser on 'raspian'
nubbins`: jobs is marginally interesting for having fessed up to LSD usage, but as i understand it was generally a piece of shit otherwise
shinohai: I have never owned a RasPI ... I can usually scrounge up a shitty laptop or something and load Debian on it xD
shinohai: Heh. I have only "owned" 1 apple product ever, an ipad and that lasted a week before I gave it away in disgust.
shinohai: Laptop I have now came with Win 8, which I never even booted in to.
phf: ppc macs were nice. i spent years with a handmedown g3 ibook, running linux on it, and i still love that machine, probably for sentimental reasons
shinohai may die of dysentery if he gets one.
nubbins`: for a time, i developed "app store" apps as a hobby
nubbins`: ended up with an iphone, ipad, macbook...
shinohai: I had a musician friend in Berlin that loved Macbooks for music. Specialized use tho.
nubbins`: ipad sorta sucks now because it can't run the latest iOS and essentially zero new apps target the old versions
nubbins`: so it's essentially frozen in time
nubbins`: macbook, still going strong. typing on it now while InDesign pumps out dead tree sheets
BingoBoingo: <phf> ppc macs were nice. i spent years with a handmedown g3 ibook, running linux on it, and i still love that machine, probably for sentimental reasons << Bought one used with defunct vertical line on screen. Played with then closeted, then recycled. Prolly should have kept it.
shinohai: It's like buying a Ferrari with the hood welded shut.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but generally i don't recommend an archaeologist's machine to a civilian << I recommend this one because hypercard. As a dare, for the ones that get it realize not all "advances" are such.
nubbins`: asciilifeform they froze support for 2009 macbooks?!
shinohai: How is Crapples iWatch thing going does anyone know?
nubbins` has late-2008, is running second-latest OS
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i like my 'hypercard' on at least 800x600 pixels << I usually do the presentation with a "clean desk" to heighten to realization that this machine was small enought to allow civilized other work at desk, as happened in age when computer was office accessory.
phf: BingoBoingo: i use that ibook for mac os 9 now, with kaleidoscope, hypercard, mcl (macintosh common lisp). i boot it up from time to time and it feels like the cyberpunk future that never was
nubbins`: i thought you couldn't even turn those back on again once they powered down.
phf: i like to show mcl to people who rave to me about some new feature in visual studio
nubbins`: i had a colleague who used to carry around his macbook air in a manila envelope
nubbins`: cocoa API is more nextstep than anything else
nubbins`: srsly, NSInteger, NSString, etc
assbot: Logged on 09-12-2014 02:39:31; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as a boy, i often thought that i would grow up, 'have money', and buy an apple computer - at least to try it (the crippled machines at schools, etc. were an interesting diversion, and i imagined that mac is 'rich man's computer' somehow)
nubbins`: in the sense that starbucks is rich man's coffee.
nubbins`: people like starbucks for no good rational reason either
nubbins`: "it's good" fuck you, no it's not.
nubbins`: as someone who knows far too much about the science of coffee, starbucks is actual shit
nubbins`: that's because they roast all their fucking beans too dark.
nubbins`: starbucks roasts all beans to "second crack", which is the entry point to "dark roasts"
nubbins`: they claim this is so they're not selling you pesky water-containing beans but fully-dried coffee goodness
nubbins`: but really it's so they can swap out bean X for bean Y in Holiday Blend and nobody notices.
nubbins`: starbucks is dominant because people want the experience of buying coffee more than they want coffee.
nubbins`: why would anyone want the trappings of power instead of the real thing?
nubbins`: why would a rapper buy a ferrari instead of some GICs?
nubbins`: starbucks drinkers do not realize that the real thing exists
nubbins`: they think they're drinking it.
nubbins`: ;;google trappings of power site:thelastpsychiatrist.com
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> is it some brain infection ? << Yes, disease was 1950's USia. The appearance that came from the plenty of being only "civilized" area not torn to shit in the 1940's and agriculture's strain to provide real food. Marketing got really good at pushing "tv dinners"
nubbins`: we were thinking about selling P's house a few months ago. talked to a couple of realtors
nubbins`: first one was very businesslike: what's the house like, how big, how much you wanna sell it for
nubbins`: second one spent a fuckin hour selling us on the experience of selling our house through her
nubbins`: i'll do x, i'll do y, i won't do z, here's a tote bag
BingoBoingo: Several decades of "marketing" and you've got generations starting life with the impression that powdered cheese belongs on noodles
nubbins`: the experience-seller waited until the end of the convo to tell us that she'd be listing the house $30k below market value and if we didn't like that, find someone else
nubbins`: mats it was a bit light on the actual tech stuff for my liking
mats: my motivation to learn RE has been flagging recently and this is just the ticket
mats: yeah I've heard that, I only just finished the pilot
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: even the impression that powdered cheese belongs is a bad one
mats: asciilifeform: access.
mats: curiosity, access, and power.
mats: hence my narrow focus on exploitation.
phf: starbucks is kind of like mcdonalds, and the same reason microsoft won, guiranteed same mediocre experience, so if you're driving through north carolina and you need your caffeine fix, you don't have to engage any mental faculties, because there be dragons outside your comfort bubble. i've noticed that with a lot of my starbucks loving friends, for them it's kind of like "i know this, this is starbucks"
nubbins`: phf same thing with Tim Horton's in canada
nubbins`: it's a regular occurrence these past few years for Timmy's drive-thrus to have to be rebuilt to accomodate more traffic
nubbins`: because of drive-thru bozos spilling out of the parking lot and into the road
ben_vulpes: our coffee's just about the best one can buy in this town.
phf: i'm surprised there isn't some hip coffee shop with brooklyn roasted beans in silver spring..
ben_vulpes: they don't have the water necessary to make coffee you can taste
nubbins`: real coffee shops filter their water
ben_vulpes: how can you trust their roasting if you can't trust their tasting?
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: shops, maybe. in some place, maybe. not here.
mats: asciilifeform: we'll see in a decade or two. this is my life's work.
nubbins`: phun phact, beans are shipped green from source and roasted at destination
phf: nubbins`: oh, that was re asciilifeform's comments. there's plenty of good coffee in philadelphia
ben_vulpes: my buddy goes through a TEU of raw cacao beans every year or so.
shinohai: Hey there is always Kopi Luwak
nubbins`: shinohai Kopi Luwak is 100% for rubes
ben_vulpes: i have 2 top-notch joints within 5 minutes stroll.
nubbins`: kopi luwak = let's take some weasels, cage them, force feed them shit-quality coffee
nubbins`: pick the intestinal worms out of the diarrhoea
nubbins`: and sell the beans for $150/lb
ben_vulpes: eh, optimize performance for elemental
nubbins`: the animal naturally likes coffee cherries
shinohai: I always feel like reddit started that trend or something
nubbins`: nowadays, the animals are force-fed so you might as well feed the beans to a cow.
nubbins`: i guess the intestinal juices / fermenting impart a flavour
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> nowadays, the animals are force-fed so you might as well feed the beans to a cow. << I have the feeling a ruminant's multiple stomachs could defeat even a bean.
nubbins`: but i've never seen a serious coffee cupper give kopi luwak more than a 7/10
nubbins`: jamaican blue mountain, same shit
nubbins`: too stupid to realize that coffee is produce
nubbins`: and just because a farm had a great crop one year
nubbins`: doesn't mean all coffee from that region is great
nubbins`: or even that next year's batch will be fit to drink
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i bet pigs would work just as well << May need an obligate carnivore for musk from the anal glands. Perhaps physical Doge may have a use.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> the secret is, i LIKED MAC OS << noises were gorgeous
nubbins`: hell, most humans won't eat coffee
nubbins`: (was at friend's house one hung-over morning. his wife places chocolate chip pancakes on table in front of him. he starts chewing, massive crunching sounds. i raise eyebrow; "coffee beans", he says)
BingoBoingo: "Roundup Ready" can probably be introduced into Doge via certain primate CYP450A1 alleles
nubbins`: asciilifeform this is the guy w/ the ramblings i occasionally post
nubbins`: !s the buggers held full control
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> it's actual swill << every time that i'm up north i can't shake the feeling that's where they ship the tired american brands to finally croak
nubbins`: it's all about single-origin these days
nubbins`: turns out coffee has incredibly complex flavours
nubbins`: i used to buy beans from sweetmarias.com
nubbins`: ($12 hit-air popcorn popper is a very capable roaster)
nubbins`: low volume tho. 1/4cup at a time.
nubbins`: later, i re-wired a breadmaking machine and heatgun combo into a roaster
nubbins`: asciilifeform a roast takes ~6 minutes in a popper
nubbins`: ^ a great place to start if you're curious
nubbins`: Yirga Cheffe is hands-down my favourite coffee origin
phf: asciilifeform: it was a reasonable guess :)
phf: nubbins`: i always thought blends are like multigrain breads, a way to have a brand separate from the product, so you can easily substitute your sources
nubbins`: this is done different ways in different places.
nubbins`: kenya, for example: all coffee is sold through government auction, where the beans are sorted not by quality, original, processing method, etc but by SIZE.
nubbins`: colombia: all coffee sold through government ("juan valdez"), always blended to produce well-rounded, nice, but uninteresting cups
nubbins`: compare with most of central america, ethiopia, and others, where you can go to an actual farm and say "i want THESE beans" and receive said beans
nubbins`: (sweet maria's often makes deals direct with farmers, bypassing "fair trade" and the requisite fee structure while also giving farmers more of the money for themselves)
nubbins`: phun phact, you have to pay TransFair $0.10 for each coffee bag you print the "fair trade" logo on
phf: oh i was wondering why i never see kenyan beans from roasters. ethiopia, rwanda
nubbins`: asciilifeform there are plenty of small-batch gourmet roasters that sell online
nubbins`: "coffee subscriptions" are a thing, even.
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nubbins`: you'd actually have to -- gasp -- go buy the beans
phf: gentooization is the norm of usg living
nubbins`: or do you only eat bread from sandwich shops?
nubbins`: if your complaint is that the thing you want is not literally within 10 minutes of your home
nubbins`: i'm not sure why i'm trying to help you find a solution
nubbins`: and i've got a two-minute walk.
nubbins`: maybe you need to move to a new city ;p
nubbins`: where specialty coffee is not delivered to your door twice monthly, but within walking distance
nubbins`: hey, if you're in the other washington, china is to the west
nubbins`: why in the fuck is the yellow print head printing black ink?
nubbins`: good thing i've gotten 0 accomplished since 2pm
phf: гудбай америка о, страна где я не буду никогда
nubbins`: printed some cool SHARKS today, tho
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> y'know, the mythical 'west' that my parents thought they were moving us to << I'd hate to see the alternate history where your parents moved you to ben_vulpes's west
nubbins`: had hoped to get the other 2 colours down today, but..
nubbins`: ok, actually have to throw printer out window. seeya
phf: BingoBoingo: there's an entire generation of foreigners who believed in the america of coca cola commercials and schwarzenegger movies. they thought the aspirational simulacrum is the real deal. so of course moving here was a huge letdown.
phf: there's a lot of russian jews working at NIH, self style soviet dissidents, who now run various research departments same way as they were doing it back then. the common sentiment is basically "we've been had for a pair of chinese jeans"
phf: the "west" ascii is talking about, is the place that only existed on the 80s vhs tapes.
BingoBoingo: Only Hollywood movies where CIA is an antagonist are the ones where Tom Cruise works for a still more secret agency
mats: not so secret, the IMF
BingoBoingo: The only really appealing thing from any of those films I've seen was the gum.
gernika: There's a generation of americans that believed in those ads and movies too.
decimation: phf: I think this is the root of about 90% of euro hate on the us
decimation: yarvin pointed this out as well: you failed to live up to the america you propagandised us into believing in!
decimation: which is why they spaz out whenver something slightly right-wing happens in the us, and meanwhile award obama the nobel
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: didn't take you for a mission impossible fan.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform as a pot smoking hippie in some alternate reality...the stuff good sitcoms are made of
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mircea_popescu: <phf> the "west" ascii is talking about, is the place that only existed on the 80s vhs tapes. << word srsly.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:19:03; nubbins`: and then literally reversed a bunch of the terms in the next version, so a site was now a web and a web was now a site
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:23:54; asciilifeform: nubbins`: the philosophical (if not in any detectable way historical) continuity of microshit and edison's thing
mircea_popescu: the avatars of "common sense" as held by the mentally stunted adult roman woman of "respectable extraction" would find exact equivalents in the heads of your new york rachel fucktard today, or in the heads of british imbecile a century ago, or wherever else. and it'd take them all of half an hour to start nodding approvingly at each other
mircea_popescu: a facility which is both why so very few women do anything notable and at the same time why stuff like language even maintains any sort of continuity over time.
decimation: lol from the youtube comments of that Amerika song: "There is absolutely nothing positive in germany that comes from America. America's entire auto industry re-packages their cars from German made models. This model of doing business is used on every thing America sells. "
decimation: "And before some idiot American yells "we saved you in ww2!". No, you did not. America allied with Communism and slaughtered millions of Europeans. America has brought death, porn and gmo's. FUCK YOU"
decimation: ^ this is true and completely untaught in the us
decimation: (assuming he is talking about the forced repatriation of ethnic germans
mircea_popescu: they came up with thje "let's put a lawnmower engine in ten cubic meters of injected plastic" thing all on their own
mircea_popescu: next you knew, bmw and mercedes were falling over each othert toi make "suv"s
decimation: there's a weird cultural thing in america about minivans
mircea_popescu: 1.3k cc engine "trucks" that can't climb a 3% incline.
decimation: somehow it's okay to drive a gigantic truck with seats (suv) but a minivan isn't - even though it's more efficient and generally can carry more stuff
decimation: ? trucks in the us have gigantic engies
decimation: it's quite common to see them fitted with diesels that generate more than 400 brake hp
BingoBoingo: <decimation> "And before some idiot American yells "we saved you in ww2!". No, you did not. America allied with Communism and slaughtered millions of Europeans. America has brought death, porn and gmo's. FUCK YOU" << Pretty sure German actually was on the GMO crop train first
decimation: well, yes it is true to see trucks like that are very expensive
mircea_popescu: also, anyone who thinks "america has brought porn" is a fucktard of prime order.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not really how it works. Same name covers about 15 very different trucks any given year.
phf: it's sitll pax americana last time i checked, so everyone's a hater
phf: mircea_popescu: my handlers
BingoBoingo: Anyways the Nordics introduced death to America first when they collapsed Red civilization with biological terrorist attacks.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:24:34; asciilifeform: specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud
mircea_popescu: and for the first time making it worth something projectively. prior to that, it was just measured by the world, as anything. exported to china for its silver weight etc.
mircea_popescu: edison definitely instrumental in all of this, but there's a good half dozen names involved.
decimation: well, europe destroying itself didn't help their case either
mircea_popescu: sort of a reversed lenin equation. "sturdy but dumb" + "aluminum siding salesmen" = $$$
decimation: after wwi anyone who wasn't a dead or on fire was by default the 'winner'
mircea_popescu: still, you know - that old question of "so you want the mike - what are you going to say into it ?"
decimation: well, we've seen the 'american century'
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu>
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215525 << dunno that edison invented this. it was quintessential to the forging of the original us, the construct that for the first time mattered on the world stage, giving the dollar like any purchasing power whatsoever << Probably actually started when US and Britain fought for monopoly to impress North Americans into maritime service
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:24:34; asciilifeform: specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, it was a carnegie, and rockefeller, and so on and so on thing
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think it started earlier
phf: i met oleg kalugin at russian cultural center, he had a handler with him, a tall gentleman, presumably from cia, who mas making sure that kalugin doesn't say something he's not supposed to say. i always wanted one of those, but until that time i just look for coded messages in the new yorker :)
BingoBoingo: Carnegie and Rockefeller did not invent Northern Aggression on their own in their own lifetimes without foundations
mircea_popescu: wait, kalughin ?! the guy who was eventually bent in two, tied together and thrown out with the trash ?
mircea_popescu: the guy that kept waking up and dreaming stuff with the bush and the policeman ?
phf: i don't know the bush and the policeman reference, but i assume "bent in two, tied together and thrown out" is a reference to his espionage trial, then the same
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assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 02:43:09; mircea_popescu: lol this is going to be painful.
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assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 03:08:33; mircea_popescu: wait, kalughin ?! the guy who was eventually bent in two, tied together and thrown out with the trash ?
mats: snowden deserves to hang
mats: a man does not purport to reveal govt wrongdoing and then proceed to dump hundreds of thousands of documents indiscriminately
mats: this is not responsible disclosure at any stretch
gribble: Error: "istrilema" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: I find Snowden and Saavis guy a nive contrast. Snowden gets hot stripper wife, Saavis CEO get stripper fired.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wait, snowden married ?! << Last I checked his girlfriend followed him into exile.
mircea_popescu: the problem is not that i don't understand what you're saying. the problem is i don't see what you're basing it on.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> who was killed << I suspect this is more Greenwald than Snowden1
mircea_popescu: not that what you propose doesn't make for a better story, but still.
mircea_popescu: so, t1 = snowden 2 ran off with some papers ; t2 = usg figurdd it out ; t3 = snowden 1 is created for purpose of defense ; t4 = greenwald & co start promoting snowden 1 ; t5 = snowden 2 finally makes public contact ; t6 = greenwald & co claim contact ; t7->to this present day
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the difference is a brick in the face. << I lean towards attributing this to the two having sifferent roles and access. Difference being Snowden1 achieved escape velocity before collaborating with Greenwald and others while 2 blindly followed 1's example into trap
mircea_popescu: it can only be plausible if simultaneously a) one's never had any sort of interaction wit hthe usg and b) one's stewed for years / millions of words' worth in some armchair generalship club.
mircea_popescu: the problem with this theory is that it's thoroughly based on itself.