gernika: Well, they shouldn't outlaw it, at least.
PeterL: aesthetics or anesthetics?
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PeterL: " “At that point,” Allyn continued, “we will no longer be capable of fulfilling our responsibilities in accordance with the national security strategy.” " << Maybe they should bring some troops home from around the world?
mats: meh, hire Triple Canopy.
mats: this reduction in force has been planned for a decade
PeterL: well, the army is the biggest item in the budget, so if you want to make a dent it is the obvious place to start
mats: my understanding is that the long term plan has been to reduce the size of conventional troops to pay for more stuff in the socom budget
mats: since rumsfeld/bush
cazalla: PeterL, hey congrats! missus and i banged it out a few times last month trying for another.. find out if it took this week
PeterL: it's funner if it takes longer
cazalla: what medication is that guy on? anti-depressants?
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mircea_popescu: seems beyond fucking stupid to frame that discussion in terms of banning tobacco. or for that matter, banning tobacco.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, obese people are an offense to humanity.
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BingoBoingo: SO finally got 0.7.2 ish built on OpenBSD 5.6 again. Turns out the problem this whole week was pointing at the wrong BDB version
mthreat: I just found out the search.b-a server is down until my friend pays the bill. sorry, search won't work until then.
mthreat: I'm going to move it to a different server soon to avoid this problem.
mircea_popescu: 206.144.86.90 - - [13/Jul/2015:02:19:37 -0400] "GET /2015/02/ceo-of-bitcoin-exchange-killed-in-thailand/ HTTP/1.1" 200 6182 "
http://qntra.net/" "PHP/5.{3|2}.{1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|0}{1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|0}"
punkman: "Greece 'strikes deal with creditors' after all-night talks finally end in agreement following 17 hours of tense negotiations "
punkman: you know, same deal as the one people voted off as "NO"
punkman: but now we've killed all trust in banks
punkman: which is a good thing of course
punkman: maybe they wanna buy up Greece before the "long winter" ?
mircea_popescu: aren't these the same banks that stole 90% of cypriot funds a coupla years ago ? what trust.
mircea_popescu: nobody has "any trust" of the theoretical verbal kind in banks, then they go use them 100%
mircea_popescu: much like idiot couples that "can't stand each other" to hear them talk, but then go have bad sex twice a week.
punkman: I don't see how they can remove capital controls anytime soon without... going more bankrupt?
mircea_popescu: what's a thousand sq ft in downtown athens go for these days ?
punkman: no idea, but the europeans have been eyeing all that land owned by greek church
punkman: they'll definitely sell off the telecom company to ze germans, which owns most cables and rents them out to the private telecoms
mircea_popescu: the eternal dilemma of the margins : self owned by the local idiots ? or by a distant, thus disinterested if actually competent empire.
punkman: Deutsche Telekom owns 40% already
mircea_popescu: "Since I am no longer at the helm of UO, lets look at where it has gone in my absence. Elves and ninjas have been added into the game, things I specifically had banned. This is only a small example of why and how Ultima has drifted away from Richard Garriott, but I have not drifted away from Ultima. Overused, irrelevant & reused RPG elements are not the essence of my Ultimate RPG.
mircea_popescu: It is clear to me that I, Richard Garriott, am an essential ingredient of at least the Ultimate Ultima, if not more broadly the Ultimate RPG. Perhaps one day, now that the people who pushed me out of EA more than a decade ago are long since gone, EA will recognize that together, we could rebuild that franchise in a way that they have failed to do in the intervening years. Richard Garriott is an essential ingredient in
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punkman: is that the portalarium guy?
mircea_popescu: well, legendary ultima creator, lord british etc. yes.
punkman: all the old game devs are trying to crowdfund games these days
punkman: idiots even bought back rights to Carmageddon
mircea_popescu: imagine, origin worth 30mn in 1992, watsap worth 20 bn in 2014.
punkman: I don't remember playing any of his games, were they good?
mircea_popescu: supposedly ultima online was major. i never really got into the series.
BingoBoingo: punkman: So now that there's a deal do you want to write up Greece again?
mircea_popescu: dat piece o shit site. 3k lines page, content starts at line 798
mircea_popescu: aaaaand by line 862 the schmuck's rehashed the same intro three times while proposing his spin on it also three times. substantiation is still implicitly promised but i lost hope of delivery and who the fuck is the author anyway ?
mircea_popescu: unemployed lousy public school teachers on the rampage.
punkman: BingoBoingo: maybe end of this week, no reason to cover the derps move-by-move
mircea_popescu: when did this become a discursive style anyway, "general statement, unsubstantiated claim, restatement of general statement, restatement of unsubstantiated claim, second restatement of general statement, second restatement of unsubstantiated claim, and then move into "we" territory.
punkman: the psychology of crowdfunders ^
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punkman: "One intriguing detail with the EU statement: as part of market reforms designed to boost the economy, Greece will have to bring in Sunday trading hours."
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punkman: jurov, did ml barf at my last email?
jurov: gpg: BAD signature from "punkman"
punkman: I wrapped at 74 columns before signing :/
jurov: try copying from sent mail and verifying
jurov: there are zillions of way how mail clients try to be helpful with autoformatting body text, not just wordwrap
jurov: better be safe and send clearsigned stuff as first attachment
jurov: ^ explanation also for ben_vulpes
punkman: I suppose squirrelmail did something to the message
jurov: one client that can be easily configured and relied on to keep body text intact, is kmail. maybe that's why kdepim shitgnome devs (reportedly) use thunderbird instead :D
punkman: made this patch with "git diff", hope it works
jurov: looks fine. pls, what version it applies on ?
jurov: i'm tempted to just abandon it ane let someone else try making turdatron_revived
punkman: how did I break patches.html?
jurov: it's most likely my cancerous addon to gnu mailman that failed to process it
punkman: maybe it doesn't like git diff output?
jurov: it does not read the patch at all
jurov: if you sent lenna_full.jpg and lenna_full.jpg.sig it should add them to list, too
jurov: just checked.. it does not
jurov: it checks at your side?
punkman: also works if I download .sig and --verify it
jurov: haven't you updated your key recently?
punkman: hmm I downloaded .patch attachment and it fails indeed
jurov: check the sums pls
jurov: if different, send me your ones and upload the patch, say, to dpaste for me to compare
punkman: I think something stripped a newline at eof
jurov: there is one empty line in the end of received .patch
punkman: I see sent patch ending with "}\n " and original with "}\n \n"
punkman: does it work with --sign --armor files?
jurov: no it expects detached sigs
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punkman: it stripped the last newline from readme_s.txt as well
punkman: well if it doesn't reject files that don't match .sig, I could just put them in a tar.gz
jurov: it won't reject any files, it just won't track them either
BingoBoingo: The solution to this problem really seems to be all of the retarded mail clients.
punkman: guess I should try sending with mutt
jurov: BingoBoingo: what do you mean?
jurov: punkman: it was squirrelmail that removed these newlines?
BingoBoingo: There's just a huge disconnect between how people expect their mail client to behave and how they actually do
jurov: punkman pls check the outgoing folder (if you have any), we need to know what caused this
punkman: jurov, well I assume turdatron didn't do this, so must be squirrel or something inbetween
jurov: and i assume turdatron did. so let's get rid of these assumptions, don the gloves and check what's there
jurov: it won't help me if you resend .tar.gz and forget
punkman: the attachments in my "sent" folder had stripped newlines
jurov: okay. so it's squirrelmail, thanks for info
punkman: trying to google "squirrelmail strips newlines" and I get nothing though
jurov: and that's why i put "check if your outgoiug mail verifies" in the manual nobody reads
jurov: oh search down again?
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 06:30:15; mthreat: I just found out the search.b-a server is down until my friend pays the bill. sorry, search won't work until then.
jurov: what a flashback to rg times "nm, phriend pays" :)
jurov: basically, rg IPOed bitvps, happily paid divs, even submitted something resmbling monthly reports at first... until DC subscription ran out and nobody was around to pay it in fiat
nubbins`: that's what happens when you let a 12yo run a business
nubbins`: (literal translation of french: "men's holes on the students")
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punkman: asciilifeform: not particularly needed is it?
punkman: conf generator bash script that generates one?
punkman: InitMessage already had printf next to it
punkman: perhaps some things that go to stderr currently, should also go to debug log
punkman: it's still a mess, will need debug_sanity_part2.patch
punkman: I remember people complaining about that
punkman: if you wanna logrotate, there's logrotate?
punkman: ok so I'll resubmit with those two back in
punkman: if(fDebug) is not used much though
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 08:11:27; mircea_popescu: supposedly ultima online was major. i never really got into the series.
solrodar: asciilifeform: hello again, did you get my links above?
solrodar: the latter being the output of the former
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 07:35:15; mircea_popescu: nobody has "any trust" of the theoretical verbal kind in banks, then they go use them 100%
punkman: worthy to note that greece always had huge cash economy
solrodar: the order is source and destination
punkman: are those nodes the filtered ones?
solrodar: yes, and overloads and template expansions have been merged into single nodes
solrodar: if you don't want that then you can comment out the call to merge_overloads
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 07:39:32; mircea_popescu: it's probably coming out of land values.
mod6: punkman: thanks for your patch submission!
punkman: mod6: try adding a newline at end of .patch file
mod6: there alredy was one there. i can add a new one, but then ofc your sha1 wont match. no worries, will try.
punkman: mail client ate last line which was part of diff context
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mod6: ok, so there is an 0a at the end of the file. tail doens't show it, but when I open it in ViM it's there... weird!: dpaste.com/0F8R1VJ.txt
jurov: punkman: just resend it with another mail client
punkman: I'll send new one with asciilifeform's suggestions
mod6: alright, cool. thx!
punkman: mod6, when you have a moment, could you have a look at my_snprintf, strprintf and error() in util.cpp? do we need all that?
mod6: punkman: yeah, sure. i'll take a closer look at it here in just a bit. that work?
mod6: might be better to use `diff -uNr a b` on your changes as opposed to `git --diff` too.
mod6: or `diff --git` w/e.
mod6: makes it /slightly/ easier to read.
mod6: i have no idea why (as a lot of things in this code) this is done: btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.h#0080
mod6: so getting rid of that and just calling vsnprintf looks fine to me.
punkman: mod6: that's the output of "git diff -p" command. I don't see any differences besides the "index d91d969..6b38259 100644" sections.
mod6: if nothing else could you try with `git diff -pU`?
jurov: mod6 i happen to know exactly why _vsnprintf, it's windowsism
mod6: the main annoying thing here is that we see (ex): @@ -77,7 +72,6 @@ T* alignup(T* p)
mod6: jurov: ahh, ok didn't know that.
jurov: wanted to use snprintf in a win school project, had to call it as _snprintf
mod6: yeah, `man 3 printf`
jurov: never did further research why m$ did this
jurov: neither did satoshi, apparently :D
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mod6: punkman: your changes to strprintf, error and my_snprintf to utilize vsnprintf directly look fine. I see in FormatException you changed snprintf to my_snprintf, which is apparently designed to be "safer".
mod6: Looks related to this: Concerning the return value of snprintf(), SUSv2 and C99 contradict each other: when snprintf() is called with size=0 then SUSv2 stipulates an unspecified return value less than 1, while C99 allows str to be NULL in this case, and gives the
mod6: return value (as always) as the number of characters that would have been written in case the output string has been large enough. SUSv3 and later align their specification of snprintf() with C99.
mod6: Is that the rationale there?
punkman: mod6, I just thought I'd remove some useless #defines, I got absolutely no clue what's going on there
mod6: looks like error(const std::string &&format, ...) does the same gyrations as around _vsnprintf/vsnprintf as my_snprintf. which is kinda strange. my_snprintf must have been added later.
mod6: punkman: the change from calling snprintf to calling my_snprintf (which inturn calls vsnprintf) might be a good change. but unless we know why we're doing it, maybe we should just leave that alone.
mod6: (in FormatException)
ascii_field: ^ firm was once infamous for charging royalties on runtime (!!!) for commercial apps. apparently no more.
mod6: punkman: also, there is a commandline option for -logtimestamps so maybe just leave fLogTimestamps = false;
mod6: why are boost/function.hpp and wallet.h added to headers.h ?
mod6: so other than what I said above about keeping FormatException the same, and leaving fLogTimestamps = false, and asciilifeforms' notes above, looks pretty good :]
mod6: thanks for putting effort into cleaning this stuff up.
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 14:42:16; asciilifeform: and what's the deal with removing ShrinkDebugFile ?
punkman: mod6: what kind of insane person doesn't timestamp logs?
ascii_field: thestringpuller: the obsession with 'fair' is interesting - psychiatrically
mod6: punkman: my thoughts too.
mod6: but if we /always/ want them in there, maybe we should remove the commandline flag.
punkman: yeah forgot to remove that, will do
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phf: mod6: ah good to know. i'll resubmit, not sure how my patch interacts with recent changes from punkman yet
punkman: punkman: the change from calling snprintf to calling my_snprintf << there was a "#define snprintf my_snprintf" before, which I removed
mod6: phf: yah was just about to say, maybe wait until he submits his, then you can apply yours on top.
phf: it might be worthwhile to replace all those printfs with syslog(3) calls, specifically introducing the priority as the first argument, i.e. LOG_ALERT, LOG_WARNING, LOG_DEBUG. maybe have it conditional compilation, so that real bitcoin instance will log to syslog, where's debug instance will still write to file
mod6: i see that now. that's fine then.
phf: this will also let us remove dodgy log rotation and management functionality altogether
mod6: sounds nice, but im wary about relying on outside daemons
mod6: ben_vulpes, ascii_field, et. al. anyone have any other thoughts on this ^^
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 14:42:55; punkman: if you wanna logrotate, there's logrotate?
phf: ascii_field: we seem to agree on loglevels, but what's your take on feeding logs into syslog?
ascii_field: phf: i'm biased in the direction of rolling functionality ~into~ bitcoind, rather than ~out~ to unixland
punkman: I just added a -shrinkdebug option
ascii_field: i'll let others comment. maybe i'm wrong about this one
ascii_field: and log rotation, etc. ought to happen in separate proggies
punkman: doesn't pogo have logrotate or anything already?
ascii_field: but keep in mind that the thing needs to work on machines with no perl, no bash, etc
punkman: what does it do with logs?
punkman: so shall I remove -logtimestamps?
phf: i think libc's syslog facility tries to pass messages to syslog and if the daemon is not running, they go into /dev/console instead
phf: but i think the easiest option is to adopt syslog interface (since they already have a reasonable list of priority tags), make it go to debug.log by default, and then interested parties can just do #define log syslog
nubbins`: people seem to think fair means "everyone has the same things"
nubbins`: but that's rarely, if ever, fair
nubbins`: fair generally means "people have vastly different quantity and quality of things"
ben_vulpes: phf: i'd rather not have compilation involved in configuring logs.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: the debug.log thing is horrendous imho
punkman: ben_vulpes: agreed, I'd like to make the log more parsable
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i'm all ears re: an alternative that doesn't turn my 5MB pogo rom into 10
nubbins`: jesus that reddit diatribe was rough
ben_vulpes: great big screaming steamer of "i cannot reason about this system"
trinque: I'm sure my cats would have things to say about fair if I stopped feeding them.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: turn it off on the pogo. they're fire and forget, are they not?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: thing is, i like cutting code. but i dislike inserting dependencies on complicated unixisms like autorotators.
ascii_field: i also dislike increasing the subset of libc we use
trinque: what about a signal for it to close and reopen the log, and then people can do whatever they please outside it?
ben_vulpes: is disabling logs on the pogo not an adequate solution for you?
trinque: (I'm not aware of whether it already has this)
phf: ascii_field: autorotators exist because people don't know how to syslog mostly. i.e. you build a syslog demon based on the constraints of your system, i.e. on pogo might just be busybox's syslog, that does rudimentary truncation. elsewhere syslog writes to postgresql or whatever
phf: not running any syslog daemon turns it into fire and forget, so you won't get any logs unless you are physically connected to console
ascii_field: again this is entirely logical except that it creates a new dependency
ascii_field: i.e. one more thing i'd have to reimplement for msdos or bare-metal port.
ben_vulpes: can we get the best of both worlds? eg log to standard debug.log if unconfigured, syslog if configured?
trinque: you could have the best of both by having it just fart messages out stdout and stderr, then attaching it to something like svlogd if/when you want that in a file
trinque: ^ my usual setup when running services with runit
ben_vulpes: also logging is a pretty low priority ticket. if it looks better, has more information, is less braindamaged, is more consistent, great. does not deserve major surgery atm imho.
punkman: ben_vulpes: I disagree, how the hell are we supposed to debug with insane logs?
trinque: "But if so, he'd be the least well hidden operative ever." << lol
trinque: yes because you as a reddit user know what an operative looks like
trinque: having watched many movies on the subject
trinque: both direct and as seen by archive.is
ben_vulpes: punkman: i'm not advocating insane logs, i'm just saying pretty it up and make it consistent but perhaps we don't waste too much time arguing about syslog and logrotation at precisely this moment?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: actually sane logs are rather essential for other work
ben_vulpes: out of curiosity, what is 'other work'?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: say, figuring out how long it takes to verify block N
ascii_field: would be neat if i could learn this from looking at timestamps
ascii_field: or say i wanna pipe my node's log to a thermal printer.
ben_vulpes: relatedly, i'm always amazed at how `getinfo' blocks on...something.
ascii_field: prolly the innumerable 'critical section' nonsense
phf: ascii_field: i don't think that's the case. i changed block processing to return false when the block is bastard, and eatblock started returning false for those.
ascii_field: 'Trend Micro Threat Intelligence Manager installs a secure web interface (
httpd.exe, tcp port 443/
https) which listens for incoming requests. Several vulnerabilities have been found in the product that would allow a remote attacker to cause the product to execute arbitrary code.'
trinque: yet they called it a "secure web interface"
ascii_field: ^ seems to be a modernization of the ancient 'gold box'
ascii_field: pretty snoreworthy idea, but apparently hamhandedly desaparecido by usg
ascii_field: 'Effective immediately, we are halting further dev on #proxyham and will not be releasing any further details or source for the device... Existing #proxyham units will be disposed of and no longer be made available at @_defcon_'
ascii_field: 'it appears that his hand was forced – legally – complete with gags and destruction orders.'
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assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 22:24:39; *: jurov expects asciilifeform to shoot holes in it ^
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 22:52:47; phf: jurov: bunnie's mostly famous for reverse engineering first xbox
http://hackingthexbox.com, and recently designing novena laptop
jurov: z80 is closed source turd, too, no?
ascii_field: perhaps the ultimate joke. yet another schmuck helping to redefine what 'open' means, to the peanut gallery
punkman: "Designed to augment existing privacy tools, ProxyHam is a Raspberry Pi computer with Wi-Fi enabled." << gag order for this??
ascii_field: punkman: not like usg considers the question 'is this trivial to make' before they gag
ascii_field: for all we know, usg just finished installing 900Mhz intercept network and now is banking on 'streisand effect' to get us to use it.
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 22:31:52; jurov: but anyway, what i'm interested in, that maybe really 10nm fab is not needed and lesser process would suffice
ascii_field: in that sense jurov is right, all microprocessors ever made are 'closed source'
jurov: what russians did with z80 was not "reasonable expense"
ascii_field idly wonders how big z80 would be if turned into discrete ttl
punkman: verified at reasonable expense << can you ever verify SoC in jungle conditions?
mod6: haha @ wlan_firmware.c
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nubbins`: turns out it's an issue with the cartridge in the CIS kit
punkman: ascii_field: solder, sure. what's the most complicated component we can verify in jungle? (is there previous thread?)
ascii_field: other thing is, items like z80 or rom of ~known vintage~ can be considered 'verifiable' in a weaker sense of the word
ascii_field: not 5 years from now when the fakes are stamped out by the millions.
trinque: ascii_field: might be cool to get a rough list of interesting historic artifacts from you sometime
ascii_field: trinque: what is interesting to one is just old junk to another.
ascii_field: but i like the idea of owning a lifetime's supply of non-nato cpu.
punkman: ascii_field: so btc node on some kind of cray-sized monstrosity?
ascii_field: arm a9, 256M ram, video, usb; $12 or so in qty. 1 from cn
ascii_field: these are sold as 'miracast wireless hdmi receiver'
ascii_field: the included one, afaik, does not support the usb port
ascii_field: (whether it even is usb2, is unknown to me)
trinque: the one on the xda link, I mean.
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 19:39:41; nubbins`: replacement part otw
ascii_field: slightly costlier than pogo; comparable specs; would need a mechanical adapter for usb drive
ascii_field: user would have to plug the thing into a tv set to configure 802.11
ascii_field: i suppose it could display a spiffy graphical representation of blockchain, etc.
ascii_field: none of these things have rtc, i must note.
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ascii_field: thestringpuller: you can have the thing display 'screensaver' kaleidoscope if you like.
ascii_field: but the point stands - after several months of on and off searching, i did find a box which 1) is less than 2x cost of 'pogo' 2) very close in cpu and has NOT LESS ram than pogo 3) available in virtually unlimited quantities for the foreseeable future
ascii_field: on top of this, 4) from multiple competing vendors
ascii_field: it still remains to be seen 1) whether a sane linux port is possible for these 2) whether usb flash, of reasonable cost, can keep up - on these boxes - with blockchain.
ascii_field: and 3) whether these can be configured by users without resorting to black magic,
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nubbins`: order of forfeiture listing btc addresses, wonder if that's a first?
nubbins`: "49.999 BTC in 1YCMDxDoYwRApGjyoPVi5onrN8JRLt383;"
nubbins`: sent 50btc, took tx fee out of it
nubbins`: "400.00101 BTC in 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE;"
nubbins`: wow, typos in THREE of the listed addresses?
trinque: I'll never be able to understand how someone working for an entity with a goddamn NSA thought he'd get away with it.
trinque: the whole thing stinks of bullshit
ascii_field bought a few of these boxes, of different makes
ascii_field: for subscribers of 'amazon', if you go for hong kong you can get one of the clones for ~$6 each (incl postage)
phf: ascii_field: novena's "open" is identity thing. kind of like "maker" means a person who buys lego pieces from adafruit website and then connects them using a tutorial. it just means that the buying demographic are the same people who have a handful of o'reilly books and run ubuntu
ascii_field: phf: meanwhile, actual-open disappeared as a thing from the world
nubbins`: perhaps a dozen cared to begin with
nubbins`: actually cared, not "signed this change.org petition" cared
ascii_field: the rest will only contemplate 'caring' when the dildoes stop buzzing
phf: well, it was a recent mp thread, that i'm going to butcher, since i don't grok it fully yet, but it was something about how presence of the word already indicates the failure of described concept
ascii_field: aha, sorta like if it were usual for a bakery to advertise 'shit-free bread'
phf: "doesn't contain asbestos!"
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punkman: babies to all the new gay families?
punkman: oh wait it has been legal for a while in canada?
trinque: ascii_field: lol @ the "bad exit node" whack-a-mole
ascii_field: i especially love how nobody suspects the isp
ascii_field: who could just as easily be the one to have fallen into the honeypot 'fake btc exchange login'
ascii_field: or the sheer militant idiocy in proclaiming the other exits innocent (by implication)
punkman: Signed, SIGAINT Administration, Ministry of Darknet Finance
trinque: "guys look we're fighting the good fight against teh fedz! also pls to be using our tumbler!"
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ascii_field: and other 'it is not illegal to get a parcel with dope' folks ^
cazalla: i actually found the guy on steam, waiting for him to come online to ask if he confessed under duress (i don't really expect much of an answer)
punkman: "confess and you only get community service"
ascii_field: just same now as in inquisition 500 yrs ago.
trinque: I remember being taught that the evil USSR forced confessions...
ascii_field: no more and no less than the example here.
trinque: yep, wondering aloud where this "good" other side might be
punkman: ascii_field, was it a direct submission?
ascii_field: punkman: it appears to be in the sks data set
punkman: ^ someone found Joe before
ascii_field: ^ does anyone have evidence that this text existed prior to may 20 ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55653 @ 0.00053068 = 29.5339 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: "Peter Palfrader supplied us with the key" << maybe ask this guy for some more keydumps
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66347 @ 0.0005111 = 33.91 BTC [-]
trinque: "As of this writing (3PM @ 7-13-2015) Wikileaks continues to provide a torrent file with an identical timestamp, filename and byte size as the one I analyzed without any warning message notifying users of the danger of handling the files."
trinque: side note of... people gotta learn to UTC or specify time zone on the internet
pete_dushenski: "Based on the cosmological results of the Planck Mission, we show that all parameters describing our Universe within the \Lambda CDM model can be constructed from a small set of numbers known from conspiracy theory. Our finding is confirmed by recent data from high energy particle physics. This clearly demonstrates that our Universe is a plot initiated by an unknown interest group or lodge. We analyse possible
pete_dushenski: scenarios for this conspiracy, and conclude that the belief in the existence of our Universe is an illusion, as previously assumed by ancient philosophers, 20th century science fiction authors and contemporary film makers."
punkman: " Journal of Comparative Irrelevance"
punkman: doesn't seem to exist unfortunately
trinque: also copyright "dada" may be part of the joke
pete_dushenski: a bit cool, but really quite livable for the south's 'january'
pete_dushenski: also, i just brought back the old skool razr phone into service
punkman: 12c, are they all wearing heavy coats and furs now?
pete_dushenski: the razr really makes me wonder why people with laptops or desktops would have 'smartphones'
pete_dushenski: is there an argentinian equivalent to the canadian 'toque' ?
mircea_popescu: everyone's office in microcentro is like, you know, 1/4 mile away at most, i usually go around in a suit. you'd think i'm in swimming trunks for the looks teh women give out.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski iirc that's a roman thing. but they wear coats and gloves and shit, it's ridiculous.
pete_dushenski: i seem to recall that women covering their heads the way we think 'muslims' do is in fact a byzantine tradition, but not sure about the men.
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pete_dushenski: too cheap to register the domain name for as long as the product isn't expired.
trinque: "Taking advantage of the free advertising, Fundorado also comment on the photo, and offered Korell a free year's subscription." << epic lols
pete_dushenski: punkman even if it doesn't, they still have to list one by law
pete_dushenski: not like kraft singles ever go bad either, still have label requirements
pete_dushenski: "Newly released records show the federal [canadian] revenue agency has written off at least $4 billion in debts in the last two years"
pete_dushenski: "The outstanding balance in undisputed, unpaid taxes was $29 billion as of March 31, 2012"
pete_dushenski: probably just canadian greeks using their deferred tax payments to buy real estate on mykonos 'while it's cheap' and getting roasted
punkman: there is no real eastate on mykonos
mircea_popescu: ;;buy mykonos real estate invest business serious professional scholar
gribble: Error: 'mykonos' is not a valid positive floating point number.
mircea_popescu: ;;google buy mykonos real estate invest business serious professional scholar
punkman: worth what it says on tin ^
pete_dushenski: i guess his little cameo in 'spy' didn't cut the escalade-flavoured mustard
punkman: "he was supposed to appear in a New York state court to determine whether he owes punitive damages in a 2010 lawsuit filed by Lastonia Leviston, rapper Rick Ross’s ex-girlfriend"
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 22:39:20; punkman: "Peter Palfrader supplied us with the key" << maybe ask this guy for some more keydumps
punkman: asciilifeform: historical copies might also be interesting
punkman: would be interesting to diff 2004 sks dump with 2015
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55399 @ 0.00052554 = 29.1144 BTC [+]
punkman: "Going forward, Greece will have to stash its assets in a specially created fund and prepare them for sale “under the supervision of the relevant European Institutions,” “That may include buildings, possible areas of land, and even islands,” he says."
punkman: "To protect the natural, historical and archaeological value of such real estate, Greece would need to pass laws and empower oversight bodies to make sure that “the new owner does not abuse or damage the property,” "
punkman: "The idea of selling the Acropolis came up early in Greece’s debt crisis. In 2010, two conservative German lawmakers caused a furor in Greece by suggesting that ancient ruins should not be off limits to privatization. "
mircea_popescu: neways, after all the "dignity" talk, are these supposed people of greece actually beheading the politicos in front of the temple ? or ?
punkman: oh no, they already said Tsipras should stop talking to Putin, the Enemy of All Things European
mircea_popescu: "we had a referendum, said no. you agreed with the euros. here's your death sentence. it covers your parents and offspring"
mircea_popescu: beheading five year olds similarly should not be off limits, what's zee german conservatives say ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64456 @ 0.0005038 = 32.4729 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i suppose dignity's a lot like property, erryone's more than happy to claim it for as long as it's free.
punkman: no time for dignity now, have to work on penance
mircea_popescu: not nearly enough beheaded politicos in a whole decade to pay for one single week.
punkman: we kinda run out of terrorist in the last few years
trinque: shortages everywhere... *sigh*
mircea_popescu: last time i was in athens, these objectionable things were all over the acropolis, filling the cafes, pretending they're like human beings an' everything.
mircea_popescu: apparently i wasn't the only foreigner disgusted by the display.
trinque: screen is kinda bright for outside eh?
mircea_popescu: gotta convict them to be beheaded, along with the entire fambly, through plain legal proceedings.
punkman: gonna be a long wait for that
punkman: the terrorists never did much anyway, firebomb here and there every few weeks for a while
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37701 @ 0.00053428 = 20.1429 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: iirc they killed some cia dude then tapered off after that
punkman: CIA station chief was their first one, then they killed some people in the 80s
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punkman: "the Baris journalist who had come into the possession of FM 30-31B disappeared and was never heard of again"
punkman: but it's totally a soviet forgery
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112852 @ 0.00054015 = 60.957 BTC [-]
trinque: someday... it's going to be either the longest or shortest trial there ever was
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94600 @ 0.00054542 = 51.5967 BTC [+] {4}
trinque: who knows what the future will bring
mircea_popescu: nothing is ever more common than the delusional notion that "these people" will escape.
mircea_popescu: yet it hasn't yet occured to date anyone skipped on the "impossibru" sauce, either.
trinque: uk ruled the whole world; look at them now
trinque: from where I sit they got theirs
trinque: maybe so, and maybe someone will say that's still true of the next thing
mircea_popescu: "This has become the case with many white employees in retain food establishments who spend their shifts being harangued, threatened and demeaned by hate-spewing black customers who typically spend more on groceries in a visit than many retail food employees make in two weeks. Being a white employee in a city supermarket is like being a peasant on a medieval lords land."
mircea_popescu: guy's got money and you're the clerk. go suck his fucking cock omfg.
mircea_popescu: of course being an employee in a supermarket is being a peasant on a lord's land. that is EXACTLY what it is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heh mkay, let's fix stupid by being stupid the other way!!1
mircea_popescu: wtf's next, we're all equal to the supermarket bozo and #holdhands ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, petty supermarket hostility bs. guy has better posts imo.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86500 @ 0.00053767 = 46.5085 BTC [-]
trinque: god damn that cat in the sandal is hilarious
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00051702 = 15.614 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> anyway, petty supermarket hostility bs. guy has better posts imo. << Supermarket guy is rightly in a low place. Welafare orcs excessively elevated. It's this sort of mess that will take Aztalan all the way to Long Island.
mircea_popescu: i dunno dude, seems nuts to me. some derp wishes to justify his being an asshole to some woman on the grounds of wide reaching sociodynamics ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12015 @ 0.00052569 = 6.3162 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what, he's a faitful soldier in the war of whitehood against the evil blacks through not holding the door to some woman ?
mircea_popescu: some people are born to die on plastic carpeting under fluorescent lights srsly.
BingoBoingo: Dude seems rather obviously nuts, but it seems a symptom of the larger American decay.
mircea_popescu: there was some random retard of equivalent potency i loled at the expense of on trilema. this one was on a trip about how he "is trying to live to the server's expectations" or some shit in a restaurant.
mircea_popescu: the issues people have in their own heads, when those heads are squarely devoid of anything worthwhile...
mircea_popescu: he's supposed to go "i'm a fuckwad of a lifeform, and not only i deserve every bit of the shit i get, but if i keep course there's going to be more"
mircea_popescu: not this retarded "blacks made me be stupid and lousy" nonsense
mircea_popescu: asshole comes from a three generations line of jwz "i only wanted to...", and now he doesn't like the just dessers ?
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BingoBoingo: Millions of noveau poor USians emerge from school every year disadvantaged because they went to "good" schools in the suburbs that insulated them from orcraft
mircea_popescu: i thought us supermarkets all have those sliding autodoors anyway, specifically to deal with the ever growing social awkwardness of usians.
trinque: sucks to be them; I went to those shitty suburban schools too
mircea_popescu: they're in kindergarten, there's no other way to look at it.
mircea_popescu: they're in kindergarten and they're whacking each other over the head with the cubes.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> they're in kindergarten and they're whacking each other over the head with the cubes. << Seriously can't even have a good riot
mircea_popescu: what i don't understand is why do they take it out on the blacks ffs.
mircea_popescu: THEY are to blame, for having believed bush or whoever the fuck they believed.
trinque: because they're there, and different
mircea_popescu: like, before. and for that matter, know the terrain a lot better.
mircea_popescu: i suppose these are the same typically retarded usians that go to india and blame the indians for their inability to dowhatever X they wish to do.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what i don't understand is why do they take it out on the blacks ffs. << noveau poor envies the comforts of the old poor
mircea_popescu: not like black dude cold-called you and persuaded you to be poor, motherfuckar!
BingoBoingo: Mostly noveau poor lacks the refinement of the old poor which prevents them from going full orc and riding the welfare train
mircea_popescu: if white bitches spent more time learning how to twerk at age 6, perhaps anyone'd give a lot more of a shit about the problems of white trash.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> hanbot do you recall which article that was ? < i apparently don't
trinque: americans are subconsciously terrified of their own govt
mircea_popescu: what, he's special or something ? can't fit a shoeshine box in his hands ?
trinque: they simultaneously derive some kind of self-esteem from this fact
trinque: so no, they're not going to lash out at the monster, just some weird looking guy if they run across one
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so don't hold open the door to THAT OFFICE then!
mircea_popescu: trinque or an incapacitated woman with children, why not
trinque: the louder my "countrymen" shout about nonsense the more I smell pissed pants
mircea_popescu: dude's such a public danger, why doesn't he go around at night through the ghetto bumping into derps and immitating anything they say!
mircea_popescu: (yes, i used to do that, at that age. it was fun, fwiww.)
trinque: why's every american an anxiety-ridden, pill-popping nutcase?
trinque: couldn't possibly be the unpredictable insanity of the economic system, or the brutal, violent govt
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ironically enough, with a beheaded hamilton the us would still to this day be a sort of congo.
mircea_popescu: the brief excursion into world relevancy of the shithole in question is wholly owed to hamilton & co.
mircea_popescu: true enough that it doesn't seem to last, congo is congo. but... it was a decent trip, for as long as it lasted.
punkman: I got a couple scamcalls from the Congo few months ago
punkman: no idea, didn't pick up in time, just saw them in logs
mircea_popescu: twist : punkman's half brother has been in prison in congo since feb
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i wonder if this is going to lead to a new musical genre off the old superhero comics tree. just like destitute niggers had their stupid gangsta shit.
mircea_popescu: christian glam rock bands singin' about how they don't hold doors open at supermarket
mircea_popescu: "whatever... i slam doors and i kill people! it's my hot country and i do what i want!"
trinque: there's some kind of shitty white supremacist "punk" I think
trinque: I've long wondered where all the supposed neonazis are; met one a while back and I think all he did was shoot guns and get tattoes
mircea_popescu: should make for some pretty easy enthusiastic teenage poon, if it ever takes off.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't see how it doesn't happen as I only anticipate the rape of white trash to increase.
trinque: it's strange; there's something similar between the guy's door-holding and the utter lack of any dangerous subculture
trinque: as if all we can do is "act as if X"
trinque: somebody more well-read could identify what's malfunctioning in american identity-synthesis there
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but there's going to be a lot more Chinese. It also really doesn't help the newer generations of white trash that they are ill equipped mentally, physically, and morally to cope.
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah, what you said about a country being a place where young men know who they are, it's right on the mark
trinque: I considered that particular line for a long while after
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo on the positive side, all good things ever come out of an ill equipped kid stuck in a blender.
kakobrekla: the timeout on the search is outrageous.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mthreat said it's being moved to another server.
kakobrekla: aha, i had that particular http request in mind, but good to know
mircea_popescu: trinque and that's what multiculturalism actually is, ftr. given that it is SO COMPLICATED to have a cultural superstructure that allows any semblance of passible solution to that, and given that any sort of formal proof of superiority and inferiority ~AMONG THAT SET~, strictly, strictly among that set is so hopeless,
mircea_popescu: you're way the fuck better off just letting everybody use their own answers than trying to force some sort of homogenity.
mircea_popescu: obviously you can't have "multiculturalism" among things that aren't even subcultures, let alone cultures in their own right.
mircea_popescu: but go explain to taleb why he should stop wearing the facial hair style he does. because why ? reasons ? he got reasons too.
trinque: hm, it's like in the place where culture might develop, they've placed a culture-shredder
trinque: I wonder whether anyone actually intended it. It seems too well designed, that you create this concept "multiculturalism" which by definition subsumes whatever particular ideas you might have as an individual.
trinque: but you see.. in order for us to hold hands multiculturally, there are going to have to be some rules...
trinque: where have I seen this kind of short circuiting before
trinque: like in portland you can come to work at a software company as a male with a skirt on and your nails done, no shoes on, so long as you shut the fuck up and work
trinque: not that I mind that at all, but it illustrates the "make any choice, so long as your domain of choosing is entirely irrelevant"
mircea_popescu: the original concept is merely commentary, on lengthy extant tradition, and it stands on its own as a perfectly sensible term of art in its field.
mircea_popescu: that the usians can not read and regularly hang themselves in the fancy underwear they bought in paris is not the underwear's fault.
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trinque: just a matter of words meaning whatever ya like
trinque: if there's a facebook group for it, it's a culture
trinque: if there's a github, there's a community
trinque: gotta have that other thing of which to be "sub"
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, would you give any weight to studies that show multiculti undermines social trust? (i try to keep in mind these are studies done by gov dept)
mircea_popescu: yeah well, here's the thing : the variable you are likely calling this is a direct inverse of graph connectivity.
mircea_popescu: which means it is being undermined by improved communication.
mircea_popescu: it stands to intuitive reason if you look at it : the more people can talk to more people, the less any individual talk can be trusted, yes ?
cazalla: my experience is that no-one talks to anyone
mircea_popescu: once software acquired the ability to be "updated online", atomic software versions became less trustworthy.
mircea_popescu: because instead of doing anything right, people just slap it together and "we'll do an update later"
trinque: cazalla: I greet neighbors or people on the street here and they look down
mircea_popescu: technology's your enemy there, not anything to do with society.
trinque: I still do it, because fuck them.
trinque: but that was a nice thing about Texan (sub)culture
trinque: you goddamn greet people when you walk by
trinque: well there are unspoken rules of it
cazalla: trinque, i talk to my neighbour over the back but i couldn't tell you who else lives in this street.. growing up it was rare not to know
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trinque: I knew and drank with everybody I lived in an apt building with in tx
trinque: dunno any of these nervous fucks
trinque: sure that might be a factor
mircea_popescu: older people eventually figure out everyone's an idiot anyway
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assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 01:29:17; mircea_popescu: how do you measure "social trust" ?
mircea_popescu: for one thing, because dumbass russian locks, kept no one out.
trinque: meh, I leave windows open all night on the ground floor
mircea_popescu: fgor the other, because orly, you're gonna ROB ME ?!!?
mircea_popescu: you ever read the story of the whores and the thieves ?
trinque: only crime around here is someone comes and steals your grill off the porch
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mircea_popescu: !rate phf 2 Actually managed to compile Eulora on OS/X, which is a first.
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assbot: Successfully updated the rating for phf from 1 to 2 with note: Actually managed to compile Eulora on OS/X, which is a first.
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punkman: ok turdatron must hate me, seems it even ate last email which I sent with "swaks"
BingoBoingo: punkman: Have you tried sending with 'mail'
punkman: BingoBoingo: does it do attachments?
punkman: swaks is a crazy perl script for smtp testing, it works.
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assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 01:15:43; mircea_popescu: obviously you can't have "multiculturalism" among things that aren't even subcultures, let alone cultures in their own right.
decimation: absolutely. I've mentioned the german community that used to exist, for instance
decimation: us cities around 1900 were full of ethnic ghettos
decimation: the black were imported to bust these up in order to prevent 'independent vote blocs'
trinque: doesn't seem like those transplants took
mircea_popescu: eh for chrissakes. you and your wife going on a cruise does not now constitute an "english culture" in oceania.
trinque: my family goes back to a big italian clan that moved over in I think the 30s or so
trinque: do you think I have any connections?
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 00:33:04; mircea_popescu: servants getting uppity ffs.
decimation: maryland, for instance, has a 'poor people health insurance' where they are required to pay $1, if they can afford it
trinque: lol how do they means-test that?
trinque: ask for a dollar, and then write down the "no" response?
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mircea_popescu: and ftr i am naught impressed with this "got bugsprayed" bs.
trinque: cazalla: heh I got bussed as a white kid to the shittier public school back in the day for the same reason
decimation: cazalla: Obama's a lame duck, the most he can do is hand out goodies so that democrats show up to vote next time
cazalla: taking the bus to school such a strange concept.. i use to ride my bmx doing bunny hops and all sorts along the way
decimation: cazalla: most us towns - even little cities - have a massive bus infrastructure just to take kids to and from school - and nobody else
mircea_popescu: what, is this the universal excuse now ? "why is he fucking dumb ?" "he is ~~~affraid for his own physical safety~~~ magic wordsd!!!" "oh ok then, all is well, carry on"
decimation: mircea_popescu: which is why they left, and it is crumbling
mircea_popescu: by any practical measure they were an offense to the land they shaded.
mod6: So over the weekend and today, was working on building a new gentoo-amd64-nomultilib (glibc) instance to test out application of patches with v0.5.3.1-RELEASE as the base. Was able to build static binaries with gentoo & glibc just fine with both a modified auto-static (auto.sh) and with a slightly modified stator.sh script.
mod6: Upon successful compilation, both static builds were able to pull at least 150`000 blocks from mp's node.
mircea_popescu: tried to track it with a node, it resulted in a stuck node 0.O
mod6: mircea_popescu: it appears to me that they are. I have two build logs (one for with auto.sh and one with stator.sh). They can be found:
cazalla: decimation, they had a bus for the high school i attended and when i got sent to naughty boy school i was given a train ticket which provide free travel (which was self defeating in that i no longer had to jump the train but could now ride legit for free lol)
mod6: (at the bottom of these sizeable files, you can see me run `ldd` and `readelf` against the output binaries)
mod6: I have created a simple build script that will pull all of the patches, verify them, apply the patches at the top of the file. Along with anything else that was required.
decimation: cazalla: at least you rode transport that others in the city could use
mod6: This is all leading up to a new "patching guide" that I'm working on. Which is basically finished, save the fact I've yet to decide which direction to go on the build script. On one hand, I really love how simple and clean stator.sh is, but with auto.sh, I like how it automatically pulls the archives for you and creates the directories. etc.
decimation: my node has taken almost 2 weeks to get to 264k
mod6: Anyway, working on it. :]
mod6: decimation: plugged into mp's node?
mod6: <@asciilifeform> modified how ? << with stator, I needed to add back in 'no-shared', according to
http://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/Compilation_and_Installation this is required for us (probably). And I also needed to modify your line `cd bitcoin/bitcoin/src;` to `cd bitcoin/src;`. All of the things are in the build log, I tried not to leave anything out.
ag3nt_zer0: several months back I was at the plug and play bitcoin meetup... Nathaniel Popper was there talking about his book... anyway, after the talk I was standing in line to ask him to clarify something when this familiar-looking chap gets in line behind me. asks me who what etc...
mod6: Those were the only changes to stator that were required to make it fit with the release artifact.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74689 @ 0.00053922 = 40.2738 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: thx trinque, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, et al. :]
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ag3nt_zer0: at the time I was all zigzagged about Trilema and so I asked him if he had heard of it... he scanned the files that the eye accesses when it looks down/right and there was a spark... he said "what's that?"... I said "dunno, run by this guy Mircea something or other"... he said "oh, that guy doesnt like me"... later he asked for my number and when he pulled out his phone I saw his name was Tim Swanson
ag3nt_zer0: trivial perhaps, and not to make fun of him, but I thought it was pretty funny...
decimation: ag3nt_zer0: was already done, look in the logs
ag3nt_zer0: decimation: thanks. guess I should make that a habit before posting here...
cazalla: i think the tim swanson story more than makes up for it ag3nt_zer0
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mod6: well, actually, I didn't /have/ to at all.
mod6: every time i've built the 'stator' before, the output binary was fine.
mod6: statically built. but I recall going through this in march how we needed that in there... just maybe overly paranoid.
mod6: <@asciilifeform> might be interesting << i have not, as of yet.
trinque: didn't openssl itself have some derpy module-loader thing?
mod6: would be easy for me to try now though.
trinque: perhaps the flag enables/disables that
decimation: yes, openssl had a dynamic library loader flag
mircea_popescu: <mod6> I have created a simple build script << you may consider signing some of the things you pull
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mod6: sign the patches before pulling?
mod6: this is for *Experimental* only.
mod6: I only stamp approval at release time.
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 i dun particularly care one way or the other. the discussion's in teh logs which atm can't be searched it seems.
decimation: mthreat explained his hosting guy forgot to pay the bills
ag3nt_zer0: yeah was just gonna say search not working
mod6: There are some very far reaching effects of the patches applied in these build logs. They appear to "work", but as of yet, they're basically untested.
mod6: not taken that way :]
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: yes I found that... thx
mod6: ok building again without 'no-shared' for binary examination
mod6: <@asciilifeform> doesn't imply endorsement << ok. i was just under the impression that's excatly what it meant.
mod6: I emboss cryptographically, stating that I've read, comprehended, approved and would apply in my own battlestation.
mod6: That's fair if it has a disclaimer.
mod6: lol, guess I just didn't wanna clutter up the turdomatic or confuse anyone either.
mod6: less is more, as always. if there's too much in there, it's less likely to be read.
mod6: I see, we just have a bit different view of the thing. I only wanna send stuff in that I can pretty much stand behind.
mod6: One of the resasons that I haven't even posted the gentoo build guide to the list either.
mod6: I've tested it, trinque has tested it, but we need a third party to independantly verify so I know what I'm publishing there is as correct as it can be.
mod6: I'll give this some further thought going forward. I don't wanna hold off on pulling the trigger on this stuff if all I need is simple skull & cross bones.
trinque: I can see the point that two signatures would've communicated what you said, mod6
mod6: asciilifeform: noted.
mod6: <+trinque> I can see the point that two signatures would've communicated what you said, mod6 << in that it would have been 1/2 of the foundation's official seal?
mod6: i thought so too. and it's a credit to my trust of asciilifeform that I verify his signature, and we have a L1 trust between us.
mod6: eh, that was poorly worded. I think you all understand my meaning.
trinque: I mean that it indelibly marks the text in question with the involvement of the signers
trinque: I do read the mailing list, yes
trinque: jurov: tls outbound smtp for the mailing list plz?
trinque: should be a simple switch to flip in main.cf
trinque: for no better reason than I've required it on my end and it cut spam by 100x
mod6: asciilifeform: point taken. glad we talked about it. and yeah, very much so read and examine every patch.
trinque: sure, I wasn't saying that
trinque: the box was getting ass-blasted with spam
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trinque: sure, was running spamassassin and whatnot
trinque: your point about heartbleed is well taken
mod6: it does help. i often have to come back to it like a day later and re-read my own stuff for the 9th time.
mod6: also more eyes help too. sometimes we all miss stuff.
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mod6: I'll make an effort this week to sign the patches I've read and understand, even if still experimental at this time.
mod6: and I'll find a new ascii art instead of the jolly roger ;)
mod6: ah, yeah... hm. I believe when I went to sign all the patches from the last release, I had to pull the patches, and then sign them as if I had wrote them myself for them to be accepted.
mod6: They needed to basically have the same SHA1s as the originals, with my own detatched sig.
mod6: Anyway, yah, will take a look when search comes back.
mod6: Someday, we're gonna get the kinks worked out of this system.
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mod6: ok this build is just about done...
ag3nt_zer0: whoops that was for trinque... hadn' scrolled
mod6: asciilifeform: ok, compile complete.
mod6: welp, they do hvae differenet hashes. that at least is obv.
mod6: ok, i was just gonna do a quick `xxd <file> | less` and look at 'em side by side.
mod6: ok looking through the hexdump -C diff now....
mod6: yeah, i thought about that first actually. but gotta recompile since bins are striped
mod6: i'll tackle that tomorrow i think.