assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.15099999 = 1.812 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.15090322 = 1.509 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.15099999 = 1.963 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 14 @ 0.15090322 = 2.1126 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.15099999 = 1.963 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24687 @ 0.00056448 = 13.9353 BTC [-] {2}
decimation:
http://spacenews.com/china-eyes-purchase-of-sea-launch-assets/ < "Struggling commercial launch-service provider Sea Launch AG and its owner, Energia of Russia, are in talks with the Chinese government on selling the Sea Launch command ship and launch platform to Chinese interests that would station the system in international waters offshore China, industry officials said."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89998 @ 0.00059234 = 53.3094 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: Worlds first Bitcoin only MMORPG with possibility to earn actual Satoshi's, Eulora is gaining momentum. : Bitcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1Mf1E9D )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00058117 = 11.7978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27473 @ 0.00057034 = 15.669 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44576 @ 0.00057049 = 25.4302 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88468 @ 0.00058089 = 51.3902 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2832 @ 0.00059287 = 1.679 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113626 @ 0.00059344 = 67.4302 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56624 @ 0.00059945 = 33.9433 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71435 @ 0.00056466 = 40.3365 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151100 @ 0.00056086 = 84.7459 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73446 @ 0.00060033 = 44.0918 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74850 @ 0.00055337 = 41.4197 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15159 @ 0.00056862 = 8.6197 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17767 @ 0.00054599 = 9.7006 BTC [-]
punkman: would you also like a bridge with that?
punkman: banks reopen after 3 weeks
punkman: you can't get your money but they still call it a bank
rooder: meanwhile al buys unheard of island to open a cannery
rooder: busy working on bitcoin darkpools?
rooder: is germany that frightened of turkish bread?
punkman: "The loan will have a maximum maturity of three months and will be disbursed in up to two instalments. It will allow Greece to clear its arrears with the IMF and the Bank of Greece and to repay the ECB, until Greece would start receiving financing under a new programme from the European Stability Mechanism"
rooder: you reside in england now?
rooder: where you dont need crowbars to final loans
rooder: you proley live down the road
rooder: that said the economics here are equally retarded\
rooder: have decimation look at it
rooder: little bit like nz little bit like france ... voila
rooder: what does greece actually own?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.00055957 = 21.8512 BTC [+] {2}
nanaki: trilema.com is down now, I think.
assbot: Revealed: why slim people dislike the overweight - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent ... (
http://bit.ly/1RIN52O )
nanaki: Must I wait 4-5 hours to meet mircea_popescu here?
Naphex: nanaki: you can just join when he's around
BingoBoingo: It's really hard to tell when he will return. Might be back in 5 minutes or 18 hours. Eulora made him even less predictable than before.
cazalla: the great thing about irc though is that you can leave a message now and just tab back in an hour, tmw or even next week
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00057582 = 23.7238 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61612 @ 0.00054585 = 33.6309 BTC [-] {2}
nanaki: My (nanaki's) message to mircea_popescu: I have placed a bet on bitbet.us and sent BTCs and successfully confirmed at block# 366130 but the website doesn't apply it. The bottom of the page says "Last block: 1 hour 4 minutes ago (366131)" so it must have applied my bet. ==> SOLVED: the site reflected my bet 1h 18m later since confirmed. Usually the reflection is quick so I slightly panicked! Thank you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80582 @ 0.00056746 = 45.7271 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71362 @ 0.0005842 = 41.6897 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49838 @ 0.00058898 = 29.3536 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00057986 = 9.9736 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85550 @ 0.00059922 = 51.2633 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86254 @ 0.00059922 = 51.6851 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00059922 = 6.0521 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60984 @ 0.00059922 = 36.5428 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89498 @ 0.00060014 = 53.7113 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71400 @ 0.00058952 = 42.0917 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00058334 = 8.1084 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: 311M 996G LOGDROPIN all -- !lo * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 lulz
mircea_popescu: incidentally kakobrekla could assbot be changed so instead of dropping a bitly links it drops an archive.today link ?
hazirafel: would you use a program that sends bitcoin to the cruch of satane very time you enter facebook?
mircea_popescu: and what's "enter" anyway, every time you load a webpage that pulls their fucktarded button ?
cazalla: hazirafel, why the CoS instead of some other charity?
mircea_popescu: pro tip : if your AN is in there you're a fucktard, i don't care if your name is "verizon"
cazalla: hazirafel, i would suggest the Human Fund
cazalla: lol why would that bother me
cazalla: speaking of Seinfeld.. "On Wednesday (April 29) the online streaming service Hulu struck a deal with the show about nothing, paying $700,000 per episode ($130 million) for the rights to add the series to its already stellar lineup."
mircea_popescu: btw cazalla qntra should be back now. not sure how long it'll hold, but - publish anything you may have backing up your publishpipes
cazalla: thankfully it's been quiet, BingoBoingo might have one or had one in mind though
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nanaki find a better hobby, what can i tell you.
cazalla: that's a pretty fail attempt tbh
cazalla: sok for another woman to lick an ass, just don't ask me to do it, sorta how fucking twins is fine as you're not the one committing incest
mircea_popescu: you think the married woman is committing adultery alone ?
kakobrekla: whats the difference between female tongue and male tongue ???
cazalla: kakobrekla, i don't know, it's not about that anyway, i just don't fancy sticking my tongue there but to each their own
mircea_popescu: cazalla well you realise if your bar for being bothered is "being pictures of ME doing things", i got god's own work cut out for me here...
cazalla: mircea_popescu, how is it an incestous act for me if i am not related to them?
cazalla: fuck, so be it then if it mean doing twins
mircea_popescu: problem with doing twins is that, like anything else in life, you get used to it.
cazalla: and nothing much bothers me, why should i be bothered someone else enjoys giving rimjobs
cazalla: i'll have to take your word for it as this is a problem i doubt i will ever have
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91988 @ 0.00057922 = 53.2813 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32678 @ 0.00057293 = 18.7222 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00059668 = 7.19 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.00058489 = 18.5703 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25812 @ 0.00058489 = 15.0972 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46250 @ 0.0005728 = 26.492 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.00056223 = 24.7662 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22809 @ 0.00055666 = 12.6969 BTC [-]
decimation: my blk0009.dat diverges from mod6's too - one of my blk0008.dat matches his (sha256sums). Something weird happens in blk0009 (approx block height < 300k)
decimation: my blk0009.dat 6f230687f04b41d5cc3d5f3b9cdd497c1b9103394eeda96cef1d0998b3c5d185 : I'm syncing from ascii's node using 'stator'
shinohai should try a resync to ascii's node
mod6: as a reminder tho, those hashes of my .dat files were from "the wild" sync.
mod6: i'll be revisiting this not too long from now with some hashes from mp's orig chain
shinohai: @ mod6 does the MP node sync past the phork now?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2863 @ 0.00055666 = 1.5937 BTC [-]
mod6: haven't gotten there yet on nsl's node
mod6: my openbsd one is crawling along.
shinohai: I haven't synced stator yet. My release 0.5.3 is still up always though.
mod6: nice, what block are you on?
shinohai: 366172 it updated but on regular blockchain
mod6: did it sync the same way from block 0->current in the same manner, i.e. by finding nodes all over irc?
shinohai: mod6 yes it only connected to irc nodes i guess, since it is before the irc demolition.
shinohai: pogo is on hold until I get an ssd, still is a great chat server
mod6: thanks for reporting back on that
mod6: haha, pogo chat server?
shinohai: It's nice being the first guy to destroy a SATA installing arch on a pogo
mod6: it bricked the drive?
shinohai: yeah. made a screech and was gone. I have had that one forever though. I got 5 more old satas but I should just do things right with an ssd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00055316 = 1.7701 BTC [-]
mod6: yikes, threw a bering 'eh
mod6: well, thanks for putting in the effort to test this stuff, we appreciate it.
shinohai: I love this shit, takes me a bit of time to catch up with you warriors, but I'm getting there.
mod6: for sure. thanks, we need all the help we can get.
shinohai: Buying a pogo with btc that was on my 0.5.3. node was kinda cool too.
shinohai: I kinda figured that but what can you do.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> i thought everybody knew, at this point, that one cannot expect to end up with same blkxxxx at all times, on account of forklets. << yeah i recall.
mod6: i guess more importantly than that, im gonna do a for(0->366XXX) dump of each block and hash it, compare it to the list that you ended up with ascii.
mod6: 69! yeah, we need more nodes.
mod6: is this the one where blkcut error made it fall over?
shinohai: asciilifeform: which is the nsa lab node at again?
shinohai: @ mod6 when I raise a few more btc and a few bugs worked out, I am going to put 2 more up, one at my gf's house and one at my friends.
mod6: heheh. well, just make sure if you /do/ put up a node, it is somewhat phasar resistant
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00055316 = 4.5912 BTC [-]
mod6: I'm gonna put up a few too, but gotta wait about 6 wks.
shinohai: me too. First ssd, then expansion. >;3
shinohai: Also, if anyone needs proofreaing and ed work done this week I am free to work :D
mod6: if you're looking for something to keep you busy for an evening, you can test out the gentoo x86-64 nomultilib guide
mod6: we need a 3rd person to verify this thing so i can finally send it to the lst.
shinohai: link me. I have never installed gentoo in my life, but a good time to learn
mod6: ah, yeah, so ... this guide is for a physical box (takes you through using livecd) -- if you wanna set it up in a VM im sure you can do something similar with a livecd, just hvae to attach the iso file to the virtual dvd/cdrom drive.. and probably follow the same steps.
mod6: bah. ignore that second one. that's for uclibc.
shinohai: Thanks mod6 I'll get on it this evenin'
shinohai usually ignores notes on distros besides his own
mod6: shinohai: awesome! no rush either. when you get time is cool. let me know how it goes, i'll be around to answer q's.
shinohai: np an education is a terrible thing to waste.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65332 @ 0.00055429 = 36.2129 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: the first doc is just the commands you need, so it's kinda cut/pasteable. the second is the commands with their output so you can get a sense of what you should expect to see.
shinohai: I'm a masochist and type everything LOL
mod6: haha, no worries. that's fine too.
shinohai: Time is the most important asset for testing. I still want to prove that a small group can outproduce the "bitcoin foundation" sans their immense budget they blew.
shinohai: outproduce: Make a better product.
shinohai: Or a more high-performing one.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109083 @ 0.00056146 = 61.2457 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33917 @ 0.00056865 = 19.2869 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66650 @ 0.00055196 = 36.7881 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00055086 = 20.2716 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52808 @ 0.00056298 = 29.7298 BTC [+]
shinohai: whelp it seems pogos make excellent mining controllers, not that I mine anymore.
trinque: shinohai: guide's really easy
shinohai: Looks so trinque, and I hopped on craigslist and bought a shitty laptop for $100
trinque: they've got "Free Geek" here for scrap
trinque: I tend to make my way there once a week or so
shinohai: I wish we had something like that here. I blow so much on used equipment xD
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00055086 = 29.4159 BTC [-]
trinque: shinohai: sometimes goodwill also has an electronics dept, depending on where you're at
shinohai: Yeah but they have incredibly shitty electronics at our Goodwill. I usually troll craigslist and sometimes get free parts.
shinohai: But today, pickings were slim and I needed a spare lappy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68350 @ 0.00054738 = 37.4134 BTC [-] {4}
shinohai: Thank you for your continued dedication.
mircea_popescu: poor mod6 no time to mine because all this foundation stuff fell on his head.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36952 @ 0.00054514 = 20.144 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone amused at how the "mainstream media" took all of five seconds to decide random white dude was "racially motivated" blowing up a black church, wheras they're still "trying to look for motives" that paki dude shot up the marines ?
mircea_popescu: and i suspect all this is autism related and should prolly be a med insurance deductable, like kinetotherapy.
mircea_popescu: there is this particular thing in autists where being compressed widely helps
trinque: man that thing makes me uncomfortable
trinque: anybody ever wants my launch codes, there's the way
trinque: mircea_popescu: I could see it being nice for people with sensory overload issues
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17809 @ 0.0005607 = 9.9855 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6621 @ 0.00054514 = 3.6094 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00056298 = 2.7023 BTC [+]
trinque: mod6: BingoBoingo: what are your opinions on using random-id and reassemble tcp in incoming traffic through pf?
trinque: and more generally, any recommended practices?
trinque has found the openbsd manpages to be in a class of their own
mod6: trinque: what are you trying to achieve?
trinque: mod6: best practices for home router with several hosts behind it
mod6: im not positive (i don't have access to my pf.conf atm) that i've ever used random-id. i think that's for a very specific problem. but yeah you probably /do/ want scrub all reassemble tcp
mod6: looks like you can use random-id for some normalizatoin purposes... main thing is here, read the pf.conf man page 2x and then build up your firewall and use the heck outta tcpdump to ensure what your rule set is as you want it.
mod6: start simple, then build in more complexity as only necessary.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54642 @ 0.00056848 = 31.0629 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29379 @ 0.0005685 = 16.702 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <trinque> mod6: BingoBoingo: what are your opinions on using random-id and reassemble tcp in incoming traffic through pf? << Haven't used either of those yet. Pretty much use block, pass, and queue
trinque: former seems like handling internal host derpage (winblowz for example)
trinque: latter seems to have to do with hiding facts about the inner network topology
trinque: maybe asciilifeform's perspective on mitigations applies to the latter
trinque: asciilifeform: re aslr and other things
trinque: seemed to be a point about superficial mitigations vs fixing the underlying issue
trinque: in this case it'd be as BingoBoingo said, don't have fucking dumb hosts that can't TCP
mod6: asciilifeform: ever get a chance to look at those bins?
mod6: np. it can wait for a bit.
mod6: the openssl configure script (perl lel) seems to indicate that no-shared is the default -- but i wanna be sure.
mod6: openssl-1.0.1g # grep "my \$no_shared" Configure \ my $no_shared=0; # but "no-shared" is default
trinque: whole sentence needs to be chopped and screwed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46899 @ 0.00057176 = 26.815 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00055508 = 11.7122 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu, who is opposed to scalability due to his vocal disdain for the poor
mircea_popescu: i am not opposed "to scalability". i am opposed to very specific idiocy for very clearly delineated technical reasons.
hanbot: srsly, why's "the poor" in quotes?!
mircea_popescu: i just don't happen to be clueless enough to confuse those for "Scalability". considering i am not actually a technical expert, this reflects very poorly opn the intellectual abilities and assorted scholarship of random derps opining on nasdaq.com
mircea_popescu: and in any case - it's not some "disain for the poor" that's at work. just because everyone is on a (mostly hypocritical) fixation on loving the poor does not make my position disdain
mircea_popescu: i merely do not give enough of a shit about the cause celebre du jour to neglect technical arguments for its sake.
mircea_popescu: if anyone still has a twitter account, maybe link the derp to the above. you never know when athlete face learns something from the internets.
mircea_popescu: "The views and opinions expressed herein are the views and opinions of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of The NASDAQ OMX Group, Inc." mmmmkay... then why are you publishing it ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, because fiat glbse is so desperate for <<organic traffic>> they're resorting to the politically correct version of spun content & keyword stuffing" ? kthx.
mircea_popescu: if my father weren't a total fuckwit, he'd have told me "my son, you'll make a billion dollars before you'll read a two page item about you that manages to eschew glaring errors".
mircea_popescu: that'd have been interesting to know twenty years ago.
mircea_popescu: trinque i think the manuals are the secret reason keeping any bsd userbase.
mircea_popescu: strangely enough, nobody seems to learn anything from this.
chetty: visa doesn't dicriminate against 'the poor', they just either don't give them credit or charge them bucket for it
trinque: mircea_popescu: makes sense, they're excellent.
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah. more important for a powerful foss than gcc.
mircea_popescu: the one thing closed source can never do is good docs.
mircea_popescu: somehow the bright strategic minds involved missed this point.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Oh those were the paid, pretentious herders of the unpaid. But since Denton clamped down on their lulz Apparently herding interns is too much nao.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the one thing closed source can never do is good docs. << But then how would they sell support as a seperate product?
mircea_popescu: the "sell support" model has been thoroughly debunked in the field. or at least that's the moral i draw from revierwing history.
mircea_popescu: the only endpoint for that is where rhel ended up : a cheaper USG Department of Windows.
mircea_popescu: if that's what you aim to do with your life, go to new york join the police force.
BingoBoingo: "sell support" worked for cisco and oracle when marketing to the helpless and overencumbered with bezzle
mircea_popescu: it took them to the same dark place, and recently cost them their entire business.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you paying for the server or just using one already deployed ?
mircea_popescu: aha. if you wish to pro-rate towards nsa budget i'll ok it.
BingoBoingo: Not even a year and thing's now something to stand up on boxes
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incredibru huh ? one alf plows like 1024 chickens.
mod6: Can only check teh weather if in assbots L2. Which is very temperate.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00057411 = 23.4237 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ^ China now doing the biggest SQL join in history. #AshleyMadison #OPMhack
mircea_popescu: ". The essence of Gawker has always been what happens when we get out of those meetings and go back to writing and editing the stories you do that no one else can do. "
mircea_popescu: these schmucks actually thought they do something remarkable in any sense ?
mircea_popescu: fascinating what derps actually sell themselves into. gawker editorial actually thinks it's more than a branded chicken coop
mircea_popescu: they probably imagine they ever published anything worth reading, too.
mircea_popescu: next i'm gonna hear shit farmers in kenya think they're pulling the sun up each morning.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> next i'm gonna hear shit farmers in kenya think they're pulling the sun up each morning.// they aren't?
mircea_popescu: kinda funny to see the us reduced to the 50th state of the great nation of africa, but then again
assbot: Amazon.com: Baconlube- Bacon Flavored Massage Oil & Personal Lubricant by J&D's: Health & Personal Care ... (
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mircea_popescu: anyway, the one notable thing re gawker is that the twerps smokling the crack pipe of radical-this-and-that do not have either the intellectual wherewithal to notice nor the mental acumen to actually create THEIR OWN FUCKING BLOGS.
mircea_popescu: seriously, you gotta write emails to the staff about stuff like this ?
mircea_popescu: "oh here's a backroom napkin scribbled with my protest over the culture of backroom dealing these people imported into our fine organisation of delusions of transparency. i am too stupid to understand how ridiculous i'm being. NEOTENY FOR THE VICTORY!!11"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00057285 = 21.7683 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: gawker does "radical transparency" don't you know. when you fuck with me you can read all about it on trilema, but it's gawker that's radically transparent. a bunch of twerps whose names nobody even happens to know. paragons in their own minds of things they don't understand, nor would understand even if they actually tried thinking about 'em.
mircea_popescu: coming up next, "top 5 best program names for amd compatibility"
kakobrekla: that parsing and saving is very slow on some sites and i dunno if we want to hit him with everything ?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22901 @ 0.00054514 = 12.4843 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00055301 = 28.2588 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69817 @ 0.00054389 = 37.9728 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51228 @ 0.00055308 = 28.3332 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00056223 = 7.7026 BTC [+]
phf: <mircea_popescu> fascinating what derps actually sell themselves into. gawker editorial actually thinks it's more than a branded chicken coop << from a limited experience, that seems like a sop in certain kind of sillicon-valley inspired u.s. company. a combination of "you can do anything!" with worst sort of delusions of grandeur.
phf: ties nicely with that tlp article about "the real me"
trinque: phf: yeah, these companies practically force their employees to take part in it
gernika: That's the reason I can't work as a startup employee anymore: they want you to *believe*
trinque: can't just do your job; you have to be drunk on whatever half-assed propaganda they came up with
trinque tosses "passionate" on the american pyre
phf: i worked for one such company last year, joined out of curiousity, but stayed to finish projects i was responsible for. the amount of dysfunctional behavior was staggering.
phf: they had socially mandatory fist bumps, instead of hand shakes, by way of greeting.
phf: ceo would regularly send out "vote for us as the best place to work in the city", "vote for me as the best ceo"
gernika: phf Did you have to endure a hackathon?
phf: gernika: i didn't have to endure much, except shortage of competent underlings, but i witnessed cto organizing hackathon for other teams, and it was painful. blind leading the blind
phf: it took me a while to even realize that the majority of employees had less then 3 years of programming experience, majority of managers had no software project experiences, etc. i didn't really understand until experiencing it first hand, that a large software company can be so utterly dysfunctional. and yet "we're all winners!"
trinque: you get pizza and beer and invite shmoes off the street to come "hack"
trinque: and expect them to ... not sure what
mats: solve problems for free!
phf: we had a better thing than hackathon. a small group of junior developers were tasked with designing a curriculum and writing tutorials for training people with zero computer skills to become rails developers. to, i shit you not, "help disadvantaged peoples".
trinque: the concept was obviously shat by marketing people who believed in the myth of "the weekend app that made a million bezzlars"
trinque: obviously if it worked for "them" it'll solve all our corporate dysfunction
gernika: trinque that type of hackathon is innocuous compared to mandated hackathons at work.
trinque: phf: like this was gonna get some bum off the street, making rails sites?
trinque: gernika: yeah, the one where they fucked up project management so you're gonna ship this weekend by god!
gernika: At one such hackathon, employees were encouraged to spend the night in the office.
trinque: all of these people are useless
phf: trinque: i was at one "interview" with a guy with zero programmer experience, straight from "you can do anything!" video, we're talking "dropped out of art degree to become a waiter, but hours were brutal, so i want to become a programmer"
trinque: clearly the only thing preventing idiocracy is that it could never get that far
trinque: phf: seems to come from an american notion that you get ahead by pulling one over on everyone else
trinque: there's this one neat trick they don't want you to know after all
trinque: and it surely isn't competent people working hard, anything but that
trinque: the greatest thing you can be is a 20 year old billionaire that blasted off doing something pedestrian
gernika: There was one hackathon which, at the time I hated, but in retrospect had some redeeming value to it. People formed their own teams and worked on their own ideas and at the end, the CEO judged the results.
gernika: CEO told our team ours sucked.
phf: that's an old school notion, trickster as a hero and all that, but i don't think this is that. these people are not even hustlers, i don't think there's any awareness there.
gernika: Which, hey - would good if that happened more. Sadly the CEO's own idea turned out to suck and the startup went out of business.
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phf: asciilifeform: btw hackthons used to be face to face development sessions by free software teams, when they had opportunity to all congregate at some location. coined afair by theo, but went the same way as "open" and such
phf: heh, qijialiang@CVN-SERVER
gabriel_laddel: "there's this one neat trick they don't want you to know after all " << hahaha
gabriel_laddel: IMHO, hackathons are at their core a good thing - all implementations thus far have been terrible.
trinque: sure, throw competent people into a room, give 'em toys, sounds great
mats: mircea_popescu: how long do you plan to keep the legal research project open?
mircea_popescu: for sure can't close it with all the work you put into it.
phf: gabriel_laddel: original meaning is "remote team briefly works face to face". i think hackathons without shared context and common goal are fundamentally misguided
gabriel_laddel: phf: Sure, as "fundamentally misguided" as any other meetup for young people.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel sure, but there's meetup of young people ie team + cheerleaders on the bus back from game away ; and then there's the meetup of young people ie, jay explains to preteens what the clit is.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : someone should start an "abortion club" trollage/moral panic. whereby you convince "the media" that the latest fad among teenagers is abortion club. "you gotta have one to be someone!"
mircea_popescu: "the latest dangerous fad to sweep our nation's junior high scene since that faux story about fermented shit we came up with out of nowhere."
trinque: my (former) buddy in middle school tried to smoke the banana peels
trinque: yeah, I think that's where he got it
trinque: kid was scared to smoke weed, though
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> chess has been solved << not quite
cazalla: trinque, don't forget nutmeg!
mircea_popescu: o no wait, it was "careful with that axe, eugene" not "trinque, don't forget the nutmeg".
trinque: heh, sure, and his "dose" was 5 teaspoons
mats: mircea_popescu: i can build a table for 4 (total score, number of cases), but what sort of statistical data are you looking for? the set is small and idk how you'd judge the quality of the data
mircea_popescu: im not looking for anything too elaborate. do a formal "here's everything" bit and i'll call it good.
mircea_popescu: "the sample is small and not much to be said" is after all statistical analysis, perfectly adequate for a sample that is small and not much to be said.
cazalla: trinque, preddy sure nut meg was in some cook book alongside banana skins ( i tried both afterall)
punkman: "The vulnerability in Microsoft Font Driver could allow remote code execution if a user opens a specially crafted document or visits an untrusted webpage that contains embedded OpenType fonts. "
trinque: I chewed some baby woodrose seeds one time, was pretty weird
mats: plenty of font bugs left
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 20:51:39; mircea_popescu: if anyone cares they can click.
cazalla: trinque, i think i remembe that one and something about soaking them
trinque: and if feeling vaguely shitty and weak visuals are your thing, they're great!
trinque: "The Internet's Premier Shitlord Image Host" << wahaha
BingoBoingo: trinque: Remember it was necessary because Imgur is fat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a hackathon is actually a brilliant idea : take a bunch of kids with cs airs, strip them naked, chain them to desks and let them come out once they did something worthwhile.
mircea_popescu: i think it's been perverted in the evil clutches of ustardism tho.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only substituteable profession is camwhore.
BingoBoingo: Lock kids in a room, let out once two have switched kidneys
mircea_popescu: you think venetian glassblowing is defined by what they actually did, or by all the glass they could have conceivably blown
trinque: right, "weekend appz" as I said
mircea_popescu: at some point congolese witch doctor defined medicine.
mircea_popescu: and at the current point, "programmer" is EXACTLY like "etsy artefactual expert"
mircea_popescu: that's what we're trying to do here, the somewhere. imo not done yet.
mircea_popescu: this isn't going towards a meta-programmersclub thing is it ?
mircea_popescu: where is the place ? do i go to microsoft and learn how programming's done fo real by pros ?
mircea_popescu: sorry to tell you, crypts do not cunt in this discussion.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i took this as far as i care to. gotta admit it's a fine if unpleasant argument
mircea_popescu: i yield the balance of my time, to the future programmers.
phf: perhaps ITA before bought by google
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 01:08:53; mircea_popescu: gernika well b,tmsr~ doesn't care what you believe.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, you me and everyone else. except nobody can visit.
mircea_popescu: a profession's different from a fucking secret society yo.
trinque: asciilifeform: hell I've learned a great deal being *here*
mircea_popescu: like a wife and a whore : both sore in the cunt, yet not the same deal.
mircea_popescu: profession specifically means, "dominative of the public discourse on the topic"
mircea_popescu: for that matter, spinoza was a lens polisher by trade. his profession wasn't "philosopher". that was his hobby.
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trinque: couple more of those and I'll stop
trinque: tired of this thing going offline
trinque: long term fix is ripping out the golang thing and replacing it, meanwhile... bash hairball
trinque: alright, that sob checks his underwear via cron and restarts if need be
trinque: someone give me a shout if he disappears again
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2013 17:13:53; asciilifeform: the clockless ARM (pretty braindamaged idea, to take a classical cpu and make it clockless, but anyway) had to be designed ad hoc, avoiding industry-standard toolchains.
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mats: trinque: anything wrong with deedbot?
trinque: oh, no that's the wrong syntax
trinque: yeah, there were complaints, mistakes were made, those responsible were sacked
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decimation: asciilifeform: what is the sha256sum of your blk0009.dat?
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decimation: asciilifeform: how did you attach your serial cables?
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decimation: asciilifeform: can you even buy müller gates?
decimation: apparently he americanized it into muller
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assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 15:05:16; asciilifeform: somebody found a bug in 'blkcut' but did not follow up re: replicating
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