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asciilifeform: << 1631edac873633135b9eb9b8214d6d2b30d708d00ec4dd1db6a9bf09f384551b (on 'dulap' AND 'zoolag')
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 02:39:11; decimation: asciilifeform: what is the sha256sum of your blk0009.dat?
asciilifeform: << afaik they were never once sold as discrete items
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 02:54:24; decimation: asciilifeform: can you even buy müller gates?
asciilifeform: (i.e. there is not a 74xxxx containing six of'em)
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 02:47:26; decimation: asciilifeform: how did you attach your serial cables?
asciilifeform: with battery-powered soldering iron, on balcony
asciilifeform: << pretty plz post the input that brought about its death ??
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 03:17:50; danielpbarron: << i copied a few blk files over to my gentoo laptop and tried blkcut and it just failed instantly so I figured I did something wrong
asciilifeform: as in, something i could gdb through
danielpbarron: the blk file?
asciilifeform: if you know which.
danielpbarron: i tried a bunch, nothing worked
asciilifeform: nothing worked in the sense that it crashed every time ?
danielpbarron: yeah I never have seen it work
asciilifeform: plz upload just one then
asciilifeform: somewhere.
asciilifeform: can be the ml
decimation: yeah obviously soldered, did you find pads broken out somewhere?
asciilifeform: or wherever else is convenient.
asciilifeform: decimation: i mentioned earlier, in logs, they are under the sticker
asciilifeform: clearly labeled 'tx' 'rx' 'gnd'
decimation: lol must have missed that
asciilifeform: each is around the size of a printed full stop
asciilifeform: so use a reasonably young iron tip
decimation: heh yeah plus steady hand
decimation: is it a 'spi' or 'rs-232 low voltage' bus?
decimation: it's weird how divergence seems to happen in blk0009.dat - deserves further investigation with block dumper
asciilifeform: rs232 but ttl voltage
asciilifeform: same as pogo
asciilifeform: 115200 baud.
asciilifeform: also same as pogo.
decimation: yeah, seems pretty stanard in industry
asciilifeform: no part of any of this is in any way astonishing.
asciilifeform: presently wondering whether the '256M' of ram was a lie, and if so, how the thing ended up with 150
asciilifeform: that ain't a 150 die on the pcb - no such animal
danielpbarron: welp i'm retarded; file permissions was the problem
danielpbarron: figured that out in trying to host the damn file
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al: << nice!
danielpbarron watches blk0001 get shredded
asciilifeform: ^ to be clear, that is the stock (manufacturer's) fw
asciilifeform: oh l0l, the 256M turns into 150 on account of the framebuffer
asciilifeform: 24M for the fb proper, but another 60 (!) for accelerator, something called 'ion'
danielpbarron: Extracting block #188528 in archive blk0001.dat : 244995 bytes << blk0001.dat ends here
asciilifeform: as for what the fuck 'ipp buf' is, and why it eats 16 precious MB, science is silent !
asciilifeform: nobody seems to know
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: iirc this is correct
danielpbarron: this is from my on pogo
asciilifeform: 'ipp' appears to be yet another graphicsism
assbot: ClubOrlov: 书名:假如美国不在了:无美国世界的生存新秩序 ... ( )
danielpbarron: Extracting block #3366 in archive blk0019.dat : 999986 bytes
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: if you've the time, hash and deedbot your blocks
asciilifeform: (i don't presently have mine on hand in cut-up form)
danielpbarron: which hash is prefered? 256 or 512?
asciilifeform: (as general principle)
decimation: ipp = intel performance primatives? makes no sense
asciilifeform: it belongs to the gpu in the 'rockchip'
asciilifeform: (the soc that runs the thing)
decimation: actually it's quite impressive they have stuffed this much capability into humble stick
decimation: asciilifeform: there's probably no hope of resurrecting the original distro source?
asciilifeform: incidentally, is anyone else perplexed by the 'mali' gpu? recall mircea_popescu's piece were he picks it as the archetypical pissant country, not even interestingly infamous the way, e.g., zimbabwe or north kr are
asciilifeform: decimation: it's a cut-down 'android'
asciilifeform: certifiably worthless
asciilifeform: and what little space there is, is occupied by crud
asciilifeform: it Must Die (tm)
decimation: mali kinda became famous with the wondering muslimtude
asciilifeform: (to be replaced with a civilized 'buildroot', naturally)
decimation: might as well turn off framebuffer, can't spare 60meg
asciilifeform: supposing it can be turned off
asciilifeform: at any rate, it still wins ram-wise over pogo, with it on
decimation: the intresting question is - are the the hardware doodads supported in vanilla kernel
asciilifeform: my current understanding is - 'sorta'
asciilifeform: one can get a picture going, yes.
decimation: unfortunately 1001 flavors of 'android'
decimation: hardware I mean
asciilifeform: fuck android
decimation: full of closed-source shit
asciilifeform: the hw is a bog-standard cheapo arm
asciilifeform: it will go just as pogo went.
asciilifeform: there is an additional trick needed to get the usb chipset into host mode
asciilifeform: (while receiving power from the jack)
decimation: can you measure current draw?
decimation: for connecting drives, yes
asciilifeform: haven't formally measured, but it worked fine from an unpowered hub with a rat's nest of crud hanging off it
decimation: probably less than a few hundred ma then
asciilifeform: so probably somewhere considerably south of 500ma
asciilifeform: (at no serious cpu load)
decimation: interesting, would be useful as a 'internet of things' device
asciilifeform: gets pretty warm
asciilifeform: this thing is probably the most cpu per gram of whole machine, at least in my collection
asciilifeform: and almost cheap enough to drop from airplane.
decimation: someone probably is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46767 @ 0.00055919 = 26.1516 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: have you used a markup format for directed graphs?
decimation: seems like 'dot' is the defacto standard
asciilifeform: decimation: can't say that i have
decimation: cazalla: lol
decimation: I wonder if that kernel boot line is some kind of device map? maybe allocating the gpu mem?
decimation: and that alsa line is interesting - I wonder if that is to drive the audio on the hdmi port or if there is actual analog audio
asciilifeform: no analogue on this board
asciilifeform: at least, not brought out
decimation: can you find the rom device? might be able to make it puke through serial port
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79100 @ 0.00058771 = 46.4879 BTC [+] {5}
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.diana_coman.1:eda77f1600ad140a749e385a9f6eb53436d7c3487db0039bf0cf85840a907f25
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for diana_coman with note: fellow Eulorian; knows her way around a samovar
asciilifeform: decimation: in the log
asciilifeform: also the box is a seriously cut-down thing
asciilifeform: not even, e.g., 'cat' on it
decimation: yeah gonna have to clear a beachhead
decimation: or remote-mount usb stick
asciilifeform: no 'mount'
asciilifeform: it'll have to be put in 'recovery mode' and the whole turd overwritten with something reasonable.
assbot: Firmware Downloads | Rockchip Firmware ... ( )
assbot: Category:List of Rockchip SoCs - Linux Rockchip ... ( )
decimation: has link to specsheet
cazalla: ;;isup
gribble: is down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00056682 = 10.6279 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: according to datasheet, it has rtc? but it needs 32.678khz crystal (and power)
assbot: NetBSD/evbarm on Radxa Rock USB編 - BSD小僧の日記 ... ( )
decimation to bed, hopefully interesting
BingoBoingo: Snacky Cakes now ruining more livers than booze
assbot: Study finds increase in unused transplant livers | Reuters ... ( )
assbot: Many Livers 'Too Fat' For Transplant | Medpage Today ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30154 @ 0.00056011 = 16.8896 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Fuck it. I spent all of this time syncing with the CVS tree. I'm compiling this bitch.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25450 @ 0.00055919 = 14.2314 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: ;;isup
gribble: is up
trinque: wat
trinque: cannot get to it from here
trinque: and couldn't from another, distant IP
trinque: guess it passed though
BingoBoingo: trinque: up here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00055919 = 4.4735 BTC [-]
Adlai: << hack on production, automatic 100% keystroke deplyoment
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 02:36:12; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, phf, Adlai, gabriel_laddel: still curious about deploying CL code to running instances
assbot: u-i-f - search ... ( )
assbot: scalpl/util.lisp at master · adlai/scalpl · GitHub ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00056682 = 7.9922 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44550 @ 0.00055425 = 24.6918 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00056682 = 3.2876 BTC [+]
shinohai: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 280.11, Best ask: 280.15, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 280.15, 24 hour volume: 10999.12117073, 24 hour low: 277.0, 24 hour high: 282.1, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: !up Guest58663
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 29.26357267 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 5 satoshi per share
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: << no. because everyone that starts an attempt gets spooked by the results.
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 01:35:44; *: asciilifeform wonders if anyone has carried out any serious public work whatsoever re: mempool tx propagation
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 01:56:22; *: asciilifeform sits and thinks, wondering whether anyone has produced clockless (muller gate) miner
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 02:09:06; mats: deedbot-: add-deed
mircea_popescu: so i really like the stuff mats put in there, going to keep it open till friday and then award it. if anyone objects or wants to comment or w/e speak out.
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 10:55:19; mircea_popescu: so i really like the stuff mats put in there, going to keep it open till friday and then award it. if anyone objects or wants to comment or w/e speak out.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and hanbot and whoever else took an interest in this.
mircea_popescu: "请买我的书" lmao
mircea_popescu: users by lines, last 7 days 1.) assbot 1151 2.) mircea_popescu 1111 3.) asciilifeform 1087 << the closest it's been!
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 04:47:34; cazalla: le guardian
mircea_popescu: "our culture"
mircea_popescu: stupid bitch. she ain't no part of any culture.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00055808 = 8.7619 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo took advantage of this Qntra downtime to update OpenBSD to 5.7 release and then compile/install 5.7 stable
mircea_popescu: eh down again ?
mircea_popescu: heh it was up a moment ago.
BingoBoingo: Maybe it is just really slow again
BingoBoingo: " Error 1000 Ray ID: 209672bca5fe260a • 2015-07-21 11:08:29 UTC "
BingoBoingo: "You've requested a page on a website ( that is on the CloudFlare network. Unfortunately, it is resolving to an IP address that is creating a conflict within CloudFlare's system."
BingoBoingo: DNS points to prohibited IP
mircea_popescu: (i just switched it over. coinbase's
mircea_popescu: apparently there doesn't exist ANYTHING on the internet that doesn't use cloudflare.
mircea_popescu: and then im supposed to not suspect usg is out there ddosing everything.
mircea_popescu: because hey, "that'd be just crazy"
shinohai: @ BingoBoingo you *still* getting attacked?
mircea_popescu: only been a week or so ?
mircea_popescu: well not counting the 20gbps oct spike and the 15gbps june spike o.O
mircea_popescu: what do you mean STILL lmao.
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Most of last week actually wasn't so bad, at least 8 hours of availability a day. This weekend though
shinohai: Hmmm....someone needs a hobby.
mircea_popescu: lol like hot water.
mircea_popescu: is there a non-fucktarded img host ?
mircea_popescu: eh nm, wtf am i asking. for the internet to be useful, i must be from the past.
BingoBoingo: And the BW usage has no correlation at all with the quantcast stats
mircea_popescu: the spikes are both ddos.
BingoBoingo: Of course, because the internet is retarded to the point "usage" numbers can't at all relate to the actual use of a thing by persons.
mircea_popescu: what persons.
BingoBoingo: Ones who read. USG department of internet says that no. Bandwidth usage must never correlate with actual readership. So packet inflation.
mircea_popescu: neways. i'd much rather debug this than move, so your patience's appreciated.
mircea_popescu: also if you have burning articles, i can arrange for it to be visible selectively so you can make archive prints
BingoBoingo: Keep debugging. Thankfully nothing too burning is in queue at the moment.
shinohai: is qntra archived anywhere?
shinohai: actual IP>>> UNITED STATES
mircea_popescu: this has all the makings of drama. lesee
assbot: 0/24 block search - ... ( )
chetty: lmao right outside dc even
shinohai: Just another Amazon instance
mircea_popescu: amazon instance -> cloudflare -> internet. all via PKI.
mircea_popescu: YOUR PRIVACY IS IMPORTANT TO US. nom nom nom
shinohai: SO important that too < 10 minutes to find.
mircea_popescu: so random schmuck today finds himself in the following situation : if he goes anywhere, taking uber, all his travel is in usg db.
mircea_popescu: if he visits any website, both amazon and cloudflare have records, which can even be compared. how's that for ECC asciilifeform !
mircea_popescu: obviously if he pays anyone anything that's tracked. and in his dumbass case, this includes bitcoin
mircea_popescu: which he buys via amazon instance > cloudflare and he spends via amazon instance > cloudflare.
chetty: given the latest revelations that stuss is almost at the noise level
mircea_popescu: might as well use fucking visa rather than all this wastage.
mircea_popescu: then when i say bitcoin is not for the poor, people are liek o noes.
mircea_popescu: why waste all the fucking cycles to do visa poorly ?
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mircea_popescu: of course the proper node is "why should us resident derp have any money whatsoever", which obviously he shouldn't. disposable income belongs to the sort of people who think about the world, usian maggots really have no busienss holding any money whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: and if he doesn, the end result is "supersized beverages" and "britney spears, best singer ever"
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shinohai: /icons/ lists directory contents, tsk tsk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40524 @ 0.0005634 = 22.8312 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30176 @ 0.00056682 = 17.1044 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00056682 = 10.7696 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: shinohai wassat ?
shinohai: A bunch of old shit i guess, i dunno. I was peeking about trying to find where they keep shit.
assbot: The best auction. Ever. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: too quick
mircea_popescu: lol something awful now running mostly psa ads
mircea_popescu: "Proprietary code decays and devteams of proprietary code decay even faster. Just look at Google."
mircea_popescu: shit i love reading my old quotes.
assbot: A peek inside North Korea's intranet ... ( )
mats: traded ma two SSDs in for pcie SSDs
mats: striped reads at 4GB/s with two 'SM951'
shinohai: nice mats
nubbins`: oh look, courts circus finally getting resolved
nubbins`: going on two years now :0
nubbins`: and almost 27btc in the pot! will be interesting to see how it's sliced up
nubbins`: say, i'm sure someone here would know: what's the smallest amount of btc i can send to each of ~6,000 addresses in a single tx and expect to get it relayed?
punkman: depends on fee/age/etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15164 @ 0.00055438 = 8.4066 BTC [-]
decimation: < lol there's a big subculture devoted to ripping off idiotic marketing schemes (credit card points, etc)
assbot: An Introduction to the Basics of Manufactured Spending - The Points Traveler ... ( )
assbot: Smithsonian launches Kickstarter to 'reboot' Neil Armstrong spacesuit display | collectSPACE ... ( )
decimation: " "The Smithsonian receives 70 percent of its appropriations from the federal government and that amount covers staff salaries, building support and maintenance, and not much more" said Lewis. "It has been a very long time since we have been able to use the appropriations for programming, exhibits and special projects.""
decimation: ^ usg should raise all its money this way, voluntary taxes: "Funding the $1e9 joint strike fighter: at the $1e7 level:recieve turd hand-polished to the same specifications as the canopy"
decimation: "Check out this clip from “CBS Saturday Morning” to see how the team digitizes everything from the Spirit of St. Louis to a sitting American president." < tele-dildonics?
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 05:17:35; decimation: asciilifeform: according to datasheet, it has rtc? but it needs 32.678khz crystal (and power)
decimation: pogo has inactive rtc?
asciilifeform: it does
asciilifeform: i explained many times.
asciilifeform: needs crystal and battery.
asciilifeform: (and, iirc, a few passives)
decimation: yeah probably, not gonna happen for such a cheap board
asciilifeform: << realize that if even one such chip is publicly available, this is trivial to test: put it in ln2, if it automagically runs faster, without any extra manipulations - it is clockless logic
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 10:51:16; mircea_popescu: << nope. and yes.
asciilifeform: << 'good cop / bad cop' - what do you suppose the maxint porous routers and miscellaneous ddosatrons are for, if not for herding folks onto 'cloud' ?
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 11:13:08; mircea_popescu: apparently there doesn't exist ANYTHING on the internet that doesn't use cloudflare.
decimation: spam -> gmail; ddos -> cloudflare,aws ec2
asciilifeform: banditism -> cities
asciilifeform: (as described in 'the art of not being governed')
decimation: yeah, see also mancur olson
asciilifeform: !s yi yi zhi yi
assbot: 17 results for 'yi yi zhi yi' :
asciilifeform: << no need to ride 'uber', just walk around carrying ipNohe
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 11:40:52; mircea_popescu: so random schmuck today finds himself in the following situation : if he goes anywhere, taking uber, all his travel is in usg db.
decimation: or any phone of any kind
asciilifeform: but true patriot (tm) carries iPnohe, cache the gps stream, save the crown the disk space
decimation: or drive anywhere with a license plate
decimation: or use a credit card to buy anything
asciilifeform: ^ this one is even more interesting than commonly supposed: one needn't even be usg to access purchase records! they are, i learned, routinely subpoenaed in civil cases
asciilifeform: (e.g., divorce)
decimation: < "en the state of Illinois distributes low-income housing tax credits, which are essential for developers who want to build affordable housing without losing money, it favors projects that have Section 8 units, so these units are also more likely to get funded than, for example, affordable units in struggling neighborhoods with no ...
assbot: Chicago's Regional Housing Initiative - The Atlantic ... ( )
decimation: ... Section 8 units. "
decimation: asciilifeform: I think you can just buy them from visa, amex, etc
asciilifeform: << mircea_popescu will be pleased to learn that this part of the program has been accomplished! i, for instance, have no idea what serious disposable money even smells like from a cannon's shot away !
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 11:48:18; mircea_popescu: of course the proper node is "why should us resident derp have any money whatsoever", which obviously he shouldn't. disposable income belongs to the sort of people who think about the world, usian maggots really have no busienss holding any money whatsoever.
decimation: if you are the right kind of person
asciilifeform: << actually the result is automagically doubled rent/mortgage
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 11:49:06; mircea_popescu: and if he doesn, the end result is "supersized beverages" and "britney spears, best singer ever"
pete_dushenski: decimation: i'm assuming you caught this week's episode of econtalk ? re ^^
decimation: heh no I'm getting through my weekly dose of the french revolution
asciilifeform: speaking of which...
assbot: ClubOrlov: So you say you don't want a revolution? ... ( )
decimation: looks like lulzy fun
asciilifeform: ^ mega-article
assbot: Revolutions ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ orlov follows up on mircea_popescu's 'greeks must behead'
pete_dushenski: decimation: ew, he only accepts paypal
pete_dushenski: for donations
decimation: oh you mean russ roberts?
pete_dushenski: decimation: nah, revolutions guy
pete_dushenski: i dun think russ does donations other than those from stanford directly
decimation: yeah. the revolutions guy also did a 300 episode 'history of rome', he's pretty good for amateur historian
pete_dushenski: that's a bonkers number of episodes
pete_dushenski: makes dan carlin seem tame.
decimation: yeah, but he goes into pretty deep detail. he's 44 episodes into the french revolution
pete_dushenski: speaking of which, carlin's death throes of the republic is mega-recommended.
decimation puts it on the list
assbot: Hardcore History - Death Throes of the Republic Series - Dan Carlin ... ( )
asciilifeform: 'if you give Stalin a memorandum recommending that 500 priests get shot, and Stalin crosses out 500 and pencils in 1000 in red pencil, then you better find 500 more priests to shoot, or the number becomes 1001 and includes you.'
pete_dushenski: listened to it back in 2013. carlin is pretty masterful at bringing political and war stories to life.
decimation: asciilifeform: I see a pretty direct route from nazis -> baathists -> isis
asciilifeform: 'Could this have been done without any “red terror”? I doubt it. Greece is very much oligarch-ridden; even the celebrated former Syriza FM Yanis Varoufakis is the son an industrial magnate. The Greek oligarchs and the rich would have had to be rounded up and held as hostages. Numerous people in the government and in the military have a split allegiance—they work for Europe, not for Greece. They would have had to be sacke
asciilifeform: d immediately and held incommunicado, under house arrest at a minimum. No doubt foreign special services would have run rampant, looking for ways to undermine the revolutionary government. This would have called for drastic preemptive measures to physically eliminate foreign spies and agents before they could have had a chance to act. And so on. This wouldn't have been a job for fluffy mini-poodles. '
decimation: the only reason anyone gives two shits about greece is because of the precedent it would set for spain, italy, other countries that matter
pete_dushenski: which is nuts, when you think about it
pete_dushenski: a precedent's only a precedent if two things are comparable.
pete_dushenski: what, just because they're all on the mediterranean, apples are oranges now ?
pete_dushenski: italy, spain, and portugal suck in their own way, but their not career criminals like the greeks are.
pete_dushenski: they're*
decimation: it is nuts, but it's kinda what happens when you are pretending that the 'eu' exists
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: where were greece's foreign colonies in the last millennia ?
punkman: pete_dushenski: not career criminals in italy and spain?
pete_dushenski: punkman: under eu 'phree bezzle if you sign here', sure, but that's relatively recent.
pete_dushenski: greece has been at this game since plato, neh ?
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asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: at the scrapyard, 'ford' and 'mercedes' looks quite alike, and go in the same press
pete_dushenski: ^greenspun's got the bitcoin bug nao ;)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: unless scrapyard is 'pick n' pull', in which case it's not just the raw materials that's priced out, but the actual functional parts extant
pete_dushenski: "Greece is very much oligarch-ridden" << because i'm sure greece would be in an EVEN BETTER financial position if only the power were returned to the puddles of mud who voted 'oxi'.
asciilifeform: and what are the good engine parts in sp, it, .. ?
pete_dushenski: that's for the shake-out to determine, not top-down authorities.
asciilifeform: but as i understand, pete_dushenski was telling us that there ~are~ such
asciilifeform: so i wanted to know what supports this hypothesis
asciilifeform: from my perch, these old 'rustbuckets' all looks quite alike
asciilifeform: i don't see a clear 'mercedes'
decimation: the 'eu' was a funding vehicle to give all the poor idiots money to buy german/french/uk goods
asciilifeform: outsourced inflation
pete_dushenski: italy still has production capabilities - cars, clothes, bicycles, etc.
decimation: now germany/france/uk are whining that they are being crushed by the debts they lent to these idiots so they could spend on their exports
pete_dushenski: i don't recall seeing a 'made in greece' tag recently, if ever.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: by same token, so does usa
decimation: the only part of italy that isn't orc-land is the po river valley
asciilifeform: the question is not whether the machines are there - but whether anyone wants to pay enough for the output of said machines to actually feed italians
decimation: and parts north
asciilifeform: (or americans)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: agreed. i'm not of the opinion that usistan doesn't have useful shards.
punkman: pete_dushenski: oh last couple years there's little greek flags on a myrida of products
punkman: *myriad
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: eh, not like factory workers need so much to eat. hungry people work.
punkman: half of it still's made in china of course
pete_dushenski: punkman: lulzy
pete_dushenski: 'assembled in greece'
punkman: pete_dushenski: usually accompanied by derpy slogans
pete_dushenski: which is basically 'added label sticker in greece'
punkman: "buy greek, support the economy"
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you think 'hungry people work' - let me guess - because your grandfather was hungry, and worked. today's 'hungry' will not work. not while they have option of eating you and i
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: when grandfather was in prison, yes - hungry - which is why he still won't eat soup to this day.
pete_dushenski: but today's hungry have no such option, from whence comes the idea that bitcoin wasn't discovered ?
pete_dushenski: i dun see that the group has much recourse against the capitalist.
pete_dushenski: you make it sound like we need them, when in point of fact it's the converse that's truer.
pete_dushenski: why any -person- would bother with greece is beyond me.
pete_dushenski: eu of course isn't a -person-, it's a ponzi scheme with 'dignity' that has to save face.
pete_dushenski: at the same time, i can see why a -person- would bother with italy : architecture, stronger remnants of culture, art, (albeit modest) production capability, some measure of refinement here and there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41550 @ 0.00056139 = 23.3258 BTC [+] {2}
phf: pete_dushenski: i think that's american bias. as a eurpn i feel the same about greece as you do about itality, though they both are failed states and third world economies
funkenstein_: olympus massif is beautiful, worth a visit for that summit alone
pete_dushenski: phf: both failed states ? sure. the point isn't that their governments suck merkel's balls, of course they do, the point is that one of them is usable for spare parts, the other isn't.
phf: pete_dushenski: right, and that's what i'm saying is american bias. italy is popularized here because of all the italians, while greece is sometimes vaguely remembered
pete_dushenski: sorry, where's 'here' ?
phf: sorry, "here" in the states
pete_dushenski: aha. well i'm in canada but it's largely the same 'culture'.
phf: russian (and european) literature borrows from greeks as much as it did from italians. i grew up intimately knowing greek mythos and not just from watching Hercules on tv, because you can't read a single russian novel without some greek allusion or outright a direct reference. when i went there i knew places from before even seeing them
pete_dushenski: well, eastern half of the roman empire 'went greek,' infecting eastern europe and up into russia, so that'd make sense.
pete_dushenski: and i'm not saying that the greeks haven't been influential intellectually
pete_dushenski: even if they did just bring egyptian and abrahamic philosophy to the northern mediterranean
pete_dushenski: they took the best parts !
pete_dushenski: but that was 2300 years ago now.
pete_dushenski: the spanish, italians, and portuguese were relevant and productive as recently as a century ago.
asciilifeform: and the americans - a quarter century
asciilifeform: what of it
pete_dushenski: less time for decay, more pieces left to rebuild with.
asciilifeform: 'but it was a mercedes! last year!'
asciilifeform: 'you totalled it'
pete_dushenski: so front end smashed, tires still roll.
pete_dushenski: leave that smashed-up merc for 200 years in the scrapyard and it'll be rust dust.
phf: pete_dushenski: i'm not in a position to save any one country. if i were putin, i'd buy greece, move greeks off some of the islands, and recreate greek drama with imported nubile slavs, but
nubbins`: <+punkman> depends on fee/age/etc << gimme some numbers here! oldest coins i have handy access to haven't moved since sept 2014
pete_dushenski: find the banged-up merc 200 -days- after the accident and maybe you find yourself a new alternator, or maybe the glass is all intact and salvageable.
phf: what i'm saying is that i wouldn't be surprised if some large number of europeans are focusing on greeks for purely sentimental reasons. "bedrock of civilization"
nubbins`: reason i'm wondering this is that it came up the other day
nubbins`: nobody's spammed all of the casascius coins yet
funkenstein_: spamming an address doesn't change the age of the UTXOs already there
nubbins`: no, you misunderstand
nubbins`: sending spam/dust to a casascius coin's address is like spraying indelible graffiti on it
nubbins`: i've passed up on coins because the addresses had extra funds sent to em
punkman: why?
kakobrekla: i think he owns a mac punkman
pete_dushenski: phf: sure it's sentimental, but sparta didn't invade troy for a woman, greece is being propped up because the eu doesn't want to admit FAILURE and suck Putin's and b-a's cock to compensate.
pete_dushenski: because 'dignity', because reasons.
pete_dushenski: because maybe papering over your problems with more and more layers of paper will eventually create a cast of 'stability'
pete_dushenski: like greece is a broken arm, instead of the broken head it is.
phf: pete_dushenski: i vaguelly agree with that, but i'd say that's sop opinion here.
pete_dushenski: and the opinions of the educated are to be discounted because the media has a bridge to sell you ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27975 @ 0.00055935 = 15.6478 BTC [-]
phf: i don't know if the whole greece situation is a failure though. that /eu/ failed was obvious by 2005 or so. now germans seem to be doing exactly what they want to, that is refine their control over various parts of europe. next it's bailouts for italy, spain, etc. where wehrmacht failed, bundestag succeeds
pete_dushenski: you can't have the eu failing and the bundestag succeeding at the same time. they're one and the same.
pete_dushenski: if you're saying that the eu is failed/failing, which i happen to agree with, then by extension so has their monetary union and the german attempts at 'peaceful' unification of europe.
assbot: Shark survives attack by Australian surfer ... ( )
pete_dushenski: which, had the internet not come along and fucked shit up quite so badly, might've even worked.
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: lucky shark !
phf: pete_dushenski: that i don't know. i was under the impression that germany came out stand as an independent economic power. with that assumption i don't see german bailout as any different as putin buying the place. with bailout the power lines are all obscured, because the purchase is done within an existing political framework so is not blatant.
phf: putin be like "oh, so we're buying this shit? i got caash." and germany is like "no no, sshh, we're HELPING, mommy knows best, shoo"
pete_dushenski: the latest 'bailout conditions' do seem to indicate that greece's public amenities are being turned over to private/eu concerns.
pete_dushenski: sorta first-come-first-serve in that sense, and germany beat russia to the punch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00056531 = 3.1375 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00055645 = 8.625 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "The formula for inertia is p=mv where p is inertia, m is mass and v is velocity." ahaha where did they find this fuckwit
mircea_popescu: "let's call things thing because it's the internet of things and conviction's more important than a clue!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00054545 = 14.8908 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: "“Given our focus on Falcon 9, we’ve de-prioritized Falcon Heavy to probably launch in the spring next year, maybe April or so,” SpaceX chief executive Elon Musk told reporters Monday."
pete_dushenski: such competence, these crown corp derps.
mircea_popescu: << eh don't be ridiculous. "italy" is a modern construct, much like greece, and from the same period. prior to that construct, which was supposed to reboot the shitland, italy and greece did exactly the same. ask charles of france how the whores of venice went like.
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 14:25:35; pete_dushenski: greece has been at this game since plato, neh ?
mircea_popescu: ask the barbarians who can fuck more soldiers than a roman matron
mircea_popescu: for the record : p is impulse. the definition of inertia is m = F/a, where m is inertia[l mass].
pete_dushenski: not saying 'italy' isn't a modern construct, more that what lies within its currently defined borders just so happens, perhaps by chance, perhaps not, to include more valuable 'parts' than greece does.
mircea_popescu: as "opposed" i guess to energetic mass, m = 2W/v^2
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski this may reflect your own mind more than the ground.
pete_dushenski: that can hardly be ruled out.
pete_dushenski: now, as ever.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: do you dispute the point then ?
mircea_popescu: yes. no difference in leechdom between italy and greece. they're exactly the same sort of zoo park. ex civilisaiton, plox baksheesh that's visible at giza
decimation: I would wager that nearly all products you think of as 'coming from italy' are made north of florence
mircea_popescu: and the short, brown, dumbass current inhabitants have as much to do with the slender, white, original builders of the monuments as your egyptian arabs have to do with the egyptians.
mircea_popescu: go to the museum, look at the statues, then look at the people milling around them.
mircea_popescu: !up chema
pete_dushenski: sure, pharoah's nose isn't mubarak's nose.
decimation: Senegalese selling fake shit?
pete_dushenski: decimation: then that's the part, north of florence, worth the bother !
mircea_popescu: ie germany
decimation: ^ yeah more or less
decimation: north of verona most people speak german
pete_dushenski: hm. yes.
mircea_popescu: saxony, w/e. if you're into it.
decimation: suedtirol was under active insurgancy only a few years ago
decimation: "Klotz says: "There are acts of racism each single day. Despite Italian and German both being official languages, I often bump into police officers who don't know German. They point at the Italian flag stitched on their uniform and require I speak Italian simply because we're in Italy. They don't even know that I have the right to speak in ...
assbot: The South Tyrol identity crisis: to live in Italy, but feel Austrian | Education | The Guardian ... ( )
decimation: ... my mother tongue so I show them this card. It drives me mad. I call this linguistic imperialism."
decimation: why do they get to have their 'own identity'? > "Bolzano has Italy's highest GDP per capita, according to figures from Italy's National Statistics Office. Locals move around on bikes even when it rains and are proud of showing-off to the world Ötzi the Iceman, a mummy found in the glaciers close to Austria."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6952 @ 0.00054509 = 3.7895 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Of course, this took a terrible toll on society. Here is what Putin had to say on the subject of “red terror”: “Think of the hostages who were shot during the civil war, the destruction of entire social strata—the clergy, the prosperous peasants, the Cossacks. Such tragedies have recurred more than once during the history of mankind. And it always happened when initially attractive but ultimately empty ideals w
mircea_popescu: ere raised above the main value—the value of human life, above the rights and liberties of man. For our country this is especially tragic, because the scale was colossal. Thousands, millions of people were destroyed, sent to concentration camps, shot, tortured to death. And these were primarily people who had their own opinions, who weren't afraid to voice them. These were the most effective people—the flower of th
mircea_popescu: e nation. Even after many years we feel the effect of this tragedy on ourselves. We must do a great deal to make sure that this is never forgotten.”
mircea_popescu: Given that the price is so high, perhaps it would be better after all if we just sat quietly, allowed the rich get richer as the poor get poorer, watched listlessly as the environment got completely destroyed by capitalist industrialists in blind pursuit of profit, and eventually curled up, kissed our sweet asses good-bye and died?
mircea_popescu: somehow orlov doesn't feel compelled to go "check out schmuckin, going over to the euro tune of human rights"
mircea_popescu: not because it wouldn't be consistent with the piece so far, and with his verbiage so far. but why then ?
mircea_popescu: fucking russian inferiority complex. "oh, europe is doing something stupid ? we will do THE SAME STUPID THING IN OUR OWN WAY!!11"
mircea_popescu: let's make a russian union run by russian bureaucrats with the capital at ruxelles!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13184 @ 0.00056545 = 7.4549 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: why not bruxelles ? hard to beat the chocolate there.
mircea_popescu: quite the question.
mircea_popescu: from what i hear putin's been asked this a lot by the various oligarchs
mircea_popescu: "2. Start printing Euros without authorization from the European Central bank. When accused of forgery, make the forgery harder to detect by changing the letter at the front of the serial number from Y (for Greece) to X (for Germany)." << ahaha gawd.
mircea_popescu: dude has nfi how shit works does he.
mircea_popescu: "o herp, we are flooding europe with fake euros. can you break a 500 ???"
mircea_popescu: somehow the "i am not a revolutionary, here are my opinions on how that works" does not give him any pause whatsoever. "i'm a virgin, here's some songs about fucking i wrote". because why ?
mircea_popescu: rotten fucking pseudo-civilisation of nothing. let's commentate commentary!
pete_dushenski: lol. y'know, just in case any actual revolutionaries are reading orlov and needing fatherly advice from someone with no skin in the game.
assbot: mongo-java-driver/ at 1d2e6faa80aeb5287a26d0348f18f4b51d566759 · mongodb/mongo-java-driver · GitHub ... ( )
pete_dushenski: because being raised by charlatanic economists and the like have trained idjits to seek advice from tards with 'no conflicts of interest'
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i know, right ?!
mircea_popescu: that's EXACTLY what actual revolutionaries are thinking right now. "i wonder if there's some schmuck on a google blog with opinions. let me check!"
pete_dushenski: "oh, you think i should buy $goog even though you wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole ? ok !"
mircea_popescu: mats what am i looking at ?
pete_dushenski: speaking of which, how comes the commodity ticker widget, kakobrekla ?
mircea_popescu: 1 in 10 failures don't get reported ?
mircea_popescu: << this is to me personally the most interesting point.
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 14:39:00; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you think 'hungry people work' - let me guess - because your grandfather was hungry, and worked. today's 'hungry' will not work. not while they have option of eating you and i
mircea_popescu: i know from directly verified experimental fact that properly chained and beaten they DO work. the spark to work and be smart and everything's not lost.
mircea_popescu: now, will large herds of worthless schmucks be turnable into an actual population ? i grant it seems dubious.
mircea_popescu: and who's gonna bother with training them individually.
mircea_popescu: but then again - shoot all the males, keep the females under 20ish that suck it enthusiastically has always been the procedure
mircea_popescu: perhaps for a very good reason.
mircea_popescu: << by this logic turkey exceeds italy and greece combined
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 14:46:29; pete_dushenski: at the same time, i can see why a -person- would bother with italy : architecture, stronger remnants of culture, art, (albeit modest) production capability, some measure of refinement here and there.
mats: mircea_popescu: a technique for preventing resource exhaustion in a weird place
mircea_popescu: (yes, most of the ruins of roman antiquity are in turkey, not europe)
pete_dushenski: and there's no shortage of production capability in turkey atm.
pete_dushenski: too bad germany let the istanbul slip through their fingers a decade ago.
Adlai: holy textwall
phf: berzin managed to succeed where multiple generation of tzar bureaucrats failed developing natural resource on the kolyma peninsula by taking a scientific approach to the whole idea of "hungry people work"
pete_dushenski: "Apple Inc said it is experiencing some issues with its App Store, Apple Music, iTunes Store and some other services. The company did not provide details but said only some users were affected." << qntra not alone.
mod6: !up ascii_field
mod6: so last 24 hours or so I've been working on getting an automated testing framework setup for this forthcoming release. I've got one scenario working (simple one). Here's what it kinda looks like - although this isn't the entire code, there is a module I left out for now.
mod6: With some effort up front I might be able to automate the ~20 or so scenarios that i've sketched out for the release. Could save all of us a lot of time by installing/emerging a few things on gentoo and then just running these tests instead of having to do all the testing manually.
mod6: We'll see where it goes and if I run into too many problems.
mod6: But as far as cucumber, even if I have issues with the steps (so far it's been very easy), if I write out the scenarios in the feature, it should be a decent testing guide in itself.
mod6: Of course, there will actually be a separate, more formal testing guide that I'll create also.
mod6: Why perl? Because I'm not good with python, and ruby well, lol.
mod6: When I do get around to drafting up all of the scenarios, I'll put that in here as well, maybe you guys can think of other tests that I hvaen't thought of yet. Or edge cases. etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00054509 = 11.7194 BTC [-]
ascii_field: so tx spam is back.
ascii_field: aaaand
ascii_field: the 'let's make the backbone lose bitcoin packetz' thing is also back
ascii_field: currently targeting my new node
ascii_field: (or rather, to be more specific, appears to be active on the corner of the net where the latte resides)
ascii_field: same deal as was tested on mircea_popescu's node last month
ascii_field: socket lays open, but silent
ascii_field: eventually peers mark node as 'misbehaving' and killfile it
ascii_field: *the latter
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 16:46:50; phf: berzin managed to succeed where multiple generation of tzar bureaucrats failed developing natural resource on the kolyma peninsula by taking a scientific approach to the whole idea of "hungry people work"
ascii_field: !s butugychag
assbot: 23 results for 'butugychag' :
ascii_field: !s судьбы моей рычаг
ascii_field: disconnecting node socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0
ascii_field: etc, etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21196 @ 0.00056682 = 12.0143 BTC [+]
ascii_field: << mircea_popescu has a post about just this!
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 15:03:08; phf: what i'm saying is that i wouldn't be surprised if some large number of europeans are focusing on greeks for purely sentimental reasons. "bedrock of civilization"
assbot: The situation of Greece on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
phf: !up ascii_field
phf: re situation of greece, i think i missed that one somehow
phf: thanks
assbot: News 8 at 6pm - YouTube ... ( )
phf: has some shots of butugychag around 24:05, though the whole documentary is interesting, done by a shalamov fan in early 90s
assbot: Колымская командировка on Vimeo ... ( )
ascii_field: i think i saw this, aha
mod6: ascii_field: what's your best block height?
ascii_field: where?
mod6: your node that you were speaking about ^
ascii_field: 365587 - three blocks away from where it was turned on
ascii_field: (after loading chain externally)
mod6: oh
ascii_field: it gets thousands of these 'silent' connection attempts
ascii_field: every hour or two - manages to snarf a block, yes
mod6: but not enough to keep up then obv.
ascii_field: once in a while, even gets tx
ascii_field: for a minute or two at a stretch
ascii_field: then falls back into these 'socket closed'
ascii_field: open/close, open/close
ascii_field: the bitcoind AND the os are bitwise-identical to those of another node presently running happily.
mod6: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00054479 = 2.7784 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17930 @ 0.0005447 = 9.7665 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11170 @ 0.00056845 = 6.3496 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: in other news, my stator has caught up with the net at large
ascii_field: congrats ben_vulpes!
ben_vulpes: "blocks" : 366328,
mod6: yay!
trinque: anybody ever tried building against libressl yet?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo has
trinque: I noticed it was forked from the version of openssl in use
ben_vulpes: that's next on my list
trinque: neat, I tried too, ran into some issue, but was going to try again
trinque: so I'll continue on fiddling with it
ascii_field: in quite other news, i found a simple and software-only means of reading and writing the nand fw of 'miracast'
ascii_field: doesn't even need the cable
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00056976 = 1.9942 BTC [+]
solrodar: << I was using the OS package from Ubuntu 14.02, which is boost version 1.54
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 00:40:38; ben_vulpes: <decimation> boost fails to compile << i actually ran into this when hacking against solrodar's clang + graphviz callgraph thinger
solrodar: as well as generating the call graph, I was able to actually build bitcoind against that version, though I didn't test it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00054166 = 23.6164 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al:
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Pogoization of 'Miracast' ... ( )
mircea_popescu: << he's getting a lot better at this isn't he.
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 15:01:01; asciilifeform: 'you totalled it'
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 15:02:22; phf: pete_dushenski: i'm not in a position to save any one country. if i were putin, i'd buy greece, move greeks off some of the islands, and recreate greek drama with imported nubile slavs, but
assbot: The logical impossibility, and the moral untenability, of forgiveness on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: works out.
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 15:03:08; phf: what i'm saying is that i wouldn't be surprised if some large number of europeans are focusing on greeks for purely sentimental reasons. "bedrock of civilization"
assbot: The situation of Greece on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: clearly, the sect is working.
mircea_popescu: << i am looking forward to the fallout from this :D
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 17:10:58; mod6: Why perl? Because I'm not good with python, and ruby well, lol.
mircea_popescu: << so now you get to see the other end of it, for your records.
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 17:31:20; ascii_field: disconnecting node socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: both ends look quite alike
mircea_popescu: im sure it's all just a coincidence.
ascii_field: socket opens, but packets drown in the bermuda triangle
mircea_popescu: it often happens for very complex systems to behave in highly consistent ways with a clearly identifiable beneficiary all by themselves.
mircea_popescu: this is how the us budget is constructed, at any rate.
ascii_field: i warned that the buggerz will do exactly this
ascii_field: yearz ago
mircea_popescu: yeah. but warning there's gonna be an eclypse is not quite the same as watching the eclypse over a beer, out on a terrace.
mircea_popescu: wave at the public,
mircea_popescu waves at the public
mircea_popescu: hello public. look at all the things that aren't happening!
mircea_popescu: and also have perfectly simple and so forth explanations and etc.
mircea_popescu: phf where you from anyway ?
mircea_popescu: << shit i had no idea kenyans wore clothes ?!
phf: mircea_popescu: moscow
mircea_popescu: o hey. living there ?
phf: no, not anymore, not for a while actually, but not as long as ascii seems like. i live in philadelphia and about 1/3 of time in dc
thestringpuller: !up assbot
thestringpuller: !up ascii_field
trinque: ben_vulpes: you guys going to oscon?
assbot: Bitcoin mining on a 55 year old IBM 1401 mainframe: 80 seconds per hash ... ( )
ascii_field: kakobrekla: iirc it is in the log
assbot: Bitcoin mining on a 55 year old IBM 1401 mainframe: 80 seconds per hash ... ( )
kakobrekla: dunno
kakobrekla: undo then
phf: my moscow is gone anyway, 90ые are over, so it's all aparatchiks tightening the screws. and i don't know anyone "on the pipeline"
assbot: Nabokov and the moment of truth - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00055488 = 11.2363 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> so i wanted to know what supports this hypothesis << Generally before crushing trash car's is held for some time and parts sold to mechanics who then sell to their customers for half price of "new" stock
BingoBoingo: <trinque> anybody ever tried building against libressl yet? << LibreSSL 2.0 fully synced in wild, LibreSSL 2.1 Kept up as of this morning will probably try a full sync eventually
trinque: cool.
BingoBoingo: Turns out it only takes about 5 hours on this machine with a puny mobile processor to compile Kernel, Userland, and Xenocara in order to upgrade from release to -stable as well
trinque: not bad; I continue to see parallels between gentoo and openbsd usage patterns
trinque tries a tcpkill on deedbot's irc
BingoBoingo: processor is amd e350 so takes ~25-33% CPU utilization around the clock just keeping up with Bitcoin when sync'd
trinque: hm, so why would this thing still think it's connected on the other end?
trinque: ah there we go
trinque: unix has its warts, but the things you can cobble together with the pipe...
trinque: one more try, then I'll call it good
hanbot: BingoBoingo / cazalla , qntra submission:
assbot: dpaste: 2T9SCHJ ... ( )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: qntra points to a very quick-loading 404 now
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Looks good
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Can we get that window to post and archive soon?
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ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu can haz a pcap dump of the ddos packets plz ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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ascii_field: ^^^ anyone who has time to carry on in this pattern, is encouraged.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39627 @ 0.00056343 = 22.327 BTC [+] {5}
cazalla: danielpbarron, here's a better shot
mats: lol
decimation: asciilifeform: did you already have those datasheets I linked last night?
decimation: also some amusing reading: " One of the particular problems that often comes up is this: if you have a piece of code producing data, and another piece of code consuming it, which should be the caller and which should be the callee? ... In The Art of Computer Programming, Donald Knuth presents a solution to this sort of problem. His answer is to throw away the stack ...
assbot: Coroutines in C ... ( )
decimation: ... concept completely. Stop thinking of one process as the caller and the other as the callee, and start thinking of them as cooperating equals. ... This is very nice in theory, but in practice you can only do it in assembly language, because no commonly used high level language supports the coroutine call primitive. Languages like C depend utterly on their stack-based structure, so whenever control passes from any function to ...
decimation: ... any other, one must be the caller and the other must be the callee. So if you want to write portable code, this technique is at least as impractical as the Unix pipe solution. "
decimation: in other words, the bedrock is shaping 'what is possible'
Adlai: bedrock my ass, the bedrock is assembly language on a 2(or more)-core system... what shapes possibilities is the crappy foundation sunk into the quicksand sludge on top of the rock
Adlai: gradually modern "languages" (glorified syntax processors) are waking up to the reality recognized decades ago
Adlai: doesn't mean that reality didn't exist in the terim
trinque: maybe I'm an idiot, but you can do coroutine patterns in many high level languages
trinque: perhaps not as efficiently as someone thinking about hardware wants
assbot: Delimited continuations for C/C++ | Lambda the Ultimate ... ( )
trinque: actually that one uses asm
trinque: << uses jmp and stack-fiddling magic, doesn't appear to have any asm
assbot: libconcurrency - A scalable concurrency library for C - Google Project Hosting ... ( )
assbot: ALM CEO Cries 'Terrorism' after Ashley Madison Hack | Qntra ... ( )
assbot: ALM CEO Cries 'Terrorism' after Ashley Madison Hack | Qntra ... ( )
trinque: isn't this sort of like saying common lisp is impossible, after all, the machine only implements syslisp?
trinque: this being "the bedrock is shaping..."
hanbot: ah BingoBoingo, didn't catch your earlier piece. think mine needs a redundancy edit?
BingoBoingo: hanbot: I gave it the redundancy edit by linking the earlier piece
hanbot: cool deal.
trinque: terrorism...
trinque: you know that Bin Laden guy really hit it outta the park.
BingoBoingo: The ashley madison thing is big, you wrote a better story. My quick piece was just to get something in as soon as possible considering our... uptime issues.
trinque: I begin to see how there's a runaway social process here.
hanbot: and wd on that front BingoBoingo!
BingoBoingo: thanks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14498 @ 0.00055177 = 7.9996 BTC [-]
hanbot: trinque what's that, ostrichprocess?
trinque: hanbot: some interaction between the subconscious effect of even having a vast american govt at all...
trinque: everyone here knows on some level they could kick the door in at any moment
trinque: the things people joke about show that
trinque: the attack created the atmosphere of "something must be done"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8302 @ 0.00055056 = 4.5707 BTC [-]
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> << i am looking forward to the fallout from this :D << heheh. well, with any luck it might help us this time around. my hope is that some python hero will pick up the torch and take this thing forward next time around.
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 17:10:58; mod6: Why perl? Because I'm not good with python, and ruby well, lol.
nubbins`: for those of you who are interested in such things:
trinque: and the precariousness of baseless narcissism, being that it could be knocked over by reality at any moment
trinque: you have a situation where everything generates more fear, and so long as people believe the govts role is to remove anything feared, it'll proceed further in the same direction
trinque: I expect a general concept of "being terrorised" to develop which is some descendent of being "triggered" and so on
hanbot: indeed.
trinque: all that to say we were hit right in the heel
trinque: there was no chance the whole thing wouldn't be caught by every camera in miles
trinque: the thing's indelliby there, forever
hanbot: and ofc, "nobody could have foreseen"
trinque: mhm
trinque: and since "this *doesn't* happen to america" and it can never be forgotten, we will pick at the wound until it kills us
trinque: that's just cause the food never makes it to the table
cazalla: sheeit, published my non-spell checked version
cazalla: BingoBoingo, why ya got all these links to such images?
trinque: woah dude
trinque: woah
BingoBoingo: Why did they have to burn crosses?
hanbot: BingoBoingo isn't it...disadvantageous to be triggerable by something so...abundant? i bet people sensitive to anorexics have a much easier time
BingoBoingo: It is, but one has to keep the hateorade full somehow.
trinque: oh, I just go for a walk for that
hanbot: ditto
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that fella must've run off from a circus ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'bermuda triangle of packets' carries on
asciilifeform: accepted connection
asciilifeform: accepted connection
asciilifeform: socket closed
asciilifeform: disconnecting node
asciilifeform: accepted connection
asciilifeform: socket closed
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm not so sure. Perhaps Walmart was closed or had no scooty puffs for him to ride?
asciilifeform: disconnecting node
asciilifeform: socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0
asciilifeform: disconnecting node
assbot: Trial For Alleged Ricin Importer Begins | Qntra ... ( )
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2014 22:27:18; asciilifeform: the 'a) wanna buy strela? b) fuck off c) really, dontcha? b) ok sure c) off to jail' thing has been going so long that it doesn't even make national news every time now.
trinque: next innovation is constructing both sides!
trinque: what will they think of next
asciilifeform: trinque: 'the man who was thursday'
asciilifeform: chesterton already thought of it!
trinque puts it in the queue
asciilifeform: this was not the plan, but...
asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:
asciilifeform: gentlemen, please welcome 'incitatus':
asciilifeform: a very sad therealbitcoin node
asciilifeform: which isn't synced and doesn't threaten to any time soon
asciilifeform: because of - apparently - usg diddling the pipes.
asciilifeform: go ahead, try to connect.
asciilifeform: height=365788
phf: hehe, sorry.
asciilifeform: this has been going on, punctuated with occasional bursts of activity, since it was switched on this morning.
asciilifeform: it was build ~deliberately~ bitwise-identical to a properly-functioning node hosted elsewhere.
asciilifeform: there can be ~NO~ fucking question of misconfiguration
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 00:44:24; mircea_popescu: you seriously proposing the internet just goes away ?
phf: asciilifeform: well, that last burst is me netcat'ing you repeatedly
asciilifeform: phf: don't hesitate.
asciilifeform: also, anyone who has the time, try a packet capture
asciilifeform: when this was happening to mircea_popescu's node, all i found was sockets opening and then standing entirely still
asciilifeform: as if no one were bothering to transmit
asciilifeform: if this is a 'cosmic ray', then i fart monkeys.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Node reports a starting height of -1
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you got packets ?!
asciilifeform: please post pcap !!
asciilifeform: esp. of this '-1' business.
BingoBoingo: No packets, just the peer info.
asciilifeform: need the packetz
asciilifeform: otherwise this could easily be the peculiar behaviour of BingoBoingo's phoundation node
asciilifeform: (perhaps it assigns -1 to nodes which did not answer pings.)
phf: must be <--> this many hops away from fort meade to ride
asciilifeform cannot be bothered to read any more phoundation code
BingoBoingo: Peerinfo for two s.nsa nodes for comparison
asciilifeform: phf: this particular box is hosted in northeast usa
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: one of those is incitatus
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you probably wanted 'zoolag,'
BingoBoingo: Oh no I just addnode'd incitatus
asciilifeform: anyway if this carries on, i will be cancelling my contract with that hoster
asciilifeform: (after ~6 years!)
asciilifeform: could just as easily be an upstream thing
phf: could be your hoster doesn't like bitcoind nodes
asciilifeform: no reason for a threadbare american hoster to be in on the mega-secret
asciilifeform: phf: they never cared re: bittorrent
trinque: I'm reminded of comcast telling me yesterday that "that port 25, that's not yours"
BingoBoingo: Node I'm connecting with identifies as protocol version 99992
asciilifeform: or 1,001 other bandwidth hogs
BingoBoingo: Is this corenetworks?
asciilifeform: clearly-enumerated byte limit in the contract, but otherwise open-eneded
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aha
BingoBoingo: I remember you mentioning earlier as source of cheapboxes
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: and in case anyone has forgotten, this is not a problem limited to goatfuckistans like usa, but appears to exist in backbone
asciilifeform: the days of plaintext packets sailing around the world unmolested are not merely numbered - but long gone.
danielpbarron: nice, BingoBoingo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00055933 = 17.7867 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: mod6: what does that "lasttry" indicate?
trinque: well that and seen
trinque: clock not set?
mod6: clock is < 1 minute off
assbot: Satoshi ... ( )
trinque: mod6: what about his clock?
mod6: *shrug*
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, confirm that on ur one node i'm wedged at 365441
mod6: or at least have been all dayt.
mod6: my other instance is connected to the same node, and still syncing, but much further down the chain: height=215394
mod6: that one has been crawling for days.
mod6: but still chugging.
mod6: so it's ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95899 @ 0.00055828 = 53.5385 BTC [-]
mod6: here's another sample with another more advanced test automated:
mod6: this one shows that we can connect with -connect & -myip, sleep for a bit, check connection count, shutdown bitcoind, then sleep a bit more (in case we restart bitcoind on the next test, we wanna allow some time for the DB to sync etc.)
mod6: again hopefully someone in the future can learn from what I'm doing here and take this over in python.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81500 @ 0.00056899 = 46.3727 BTC [+]
trinque: eh is python really better than perl?
trinque: I have my doubts
trinque: perl python and ruby are all kissing cousins
mod6: well, i agree. i honestly like perl better, but that's maybe because I've been doing small things in it for 15 years.
mod6: and.. i don't wanna be the only one who can write tests for this thing :}
mod6: so it'd be nice to eventually move this into something that other guys know how to do.
mod6: it's pretty cool tho 'eh?
BingoBoingo: It's a bit harder to make python write only like perl. very hard to find good sample ruby code because rails
decimation: < to be clear, assembly would allow co-routine 'jumps' just fine
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 23:10:42; decimation: in other words, the bedrock is shaping 'what is possible'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00055285 = 32.7287 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: <+ascii_field> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al: << nice work!
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Pogoization of 'Miracast' ... ( )
assbot: Btrfs Seems To Finally Have Failed Me On A Production System - Phoronix ... ( )
lobbesbot: New post: Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key ; ) <>
trinque: mod6: yeah, super cool
decimation: asciilifeform: which 'rockchip' do you have? the imgur image is not clear
mod6: "assbot: I don't do bots, mod6." << lollerskates!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63832 @ 0.00056899 = 36.3198 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: decimation: it is in the log (dpaste link to the spew from serial port on boot)
asciilifeform: can't recall immediately
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44068 @ 0.00056926 = 25.0861 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 02:22:29; lobbesbot: New post: Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key ; ) <>
asciilifeform: and ^ yes, 'PGP Corporation Update Signing Key' was in the 'magic list'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> << 3*4294967297 << Want to qntra this one up?
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 02:22:29; lobbesbot: New post: Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key ; ) <>
asciilifeform: y'know, cosmic rays love update signing keyz
mod6: ^
asciilifeform: it is quite arguably old nyooz
asciilifeform: considering that i proved that all of the items in the 'magic list' are divisible by 4294967297
asciilifeform: (and that, conversely, all items thusly divisible are in the list)
asciilifeform: << log from incitatus, as of ten seconds ago
asciilifeform: ^ posted here because this fragment is typical
asciilifeform: ferfuxxake, WHY??
trinque: dat sha1
decimation: asciilifeform: interestingly your link is in the log but is completely missing from search
decimation: even just from:asciilifeform
asciilifeform: decimation: the search is broken from day 1
asciilifeform: when, for reasons entirely unknown to me, it was made to behave in whatever different way from 'grep'
asciilifeform: which is the one and only true search.
asciilifeform: it used to be even more broken though
mats: lol
decimation: yeah I was aware of the stemming shit, but not that it completely misses things
decimation: ok it appears to be RK2928 if the kernel bootlog isn't lying
asciilifeform: as far as i can tell, it insists on breaking at word boundaries
asciilifeform: which is, imho, wildly ludicrous
asciilifeform: if i wanted the machine to care about whitespace, i would have put whitespace in the query
decimation: yeah but in this case I was looking at all results for from:asciilifeform
decimation: and it isn't present
decimation: who knows how many lines are dropped
asciilifeform: possibly ascii_field
asciilifeform: then wtf
decimation: interestingly the chat took place very near the daily rollover
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 23:59:37; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al:
assbot: 1 results for 'asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al:' - #bitcoin-assets search
decimation: interesting
assbot: 70433 results for 'from:asciilifeform' - #bitcoin-assets search
assbot: [BTC-dev] Recent Patches Read & Signed : WARNING! ... ( )
asciilifeform: mod6: neato!
trinque: heh I like that warning
assbot: Советы партизанам. Полезные плакаты ... ( )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82513 @ 0.00054469 = 44.944 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: Hardware & Software Useful bits: Full RK3066 Technical Reference Manual found! ... ( )
decimation: "And 2916 RK2928 chip output through internal IO_SWITCH debug serial and OTG interfaces on the same set of IO, RK2926 for the first 6465 pin, RK2928 to V8 W8 pins. The two serial ports for the default mode, when detecting VBUS signal will switch to USB_DEVICE mode, detects the ID port is low will automatically
decimation: Automatically switches to USB_HOST mode. Debugging serial connection is shown below, OTG_DP pick serial small board RXD, OTG_DN pick serial small board
decimation: TXD, master and serial small plate connected to ground, do not connect the power supply pins."
asciilifeform: these are reasonably-documented, yes
hanbot: so i'm attempting reference implementation install for the first time and have a boatload of errors at ./ , not sure where to begin. if anyone has the time & patience for my noobery, please ding me.
decimation: there's some stuff about DDR, but no full datasheet for that one
asciilifeform: hanbot: aha
asciilifeform: hanbot: or pm if you want
hanbot: well hopefully if logged it can be pointed to other folks later if needed
asciilifeform: aha then shoot
hanbot: what'd be useful, config.log dump?
mod6: sure, use `script` to start a logging facility just type 'exit' when done and it'll dump out a 'typscript' file in the local dir.
asciilifeform: incidentally, if this is mod6's ',' i'm afraid that i can't recommend it. it never worked on my system.
asciilifeform: (but perhaps it works for others ?)
decimation: it did on mine but only after modification (realpath for one)
mod6: it was designed to work on deb6, others had no problems. but *shrug*. what system are you using hanbot?
decimation: but it's several patches behind anyway, would try to use stator
hanbot: interesting. well lessee. yeah, installed realpath.
mod6: really, the main question at this point should be: do you wanna run the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE or are you looking to help test with the latest (pre)v0.5.4 patches?
hanbot: i'm hoping to build stator manually. release + patches & antecedents mentioned in stator post.
asciilifeform: manually ?
mod6: ah
asciilifeform: what does this mean
mod6: asciilifeform: probably 'whole orchestra'
BingoBoingo: Is anyone other than ben_vulpes interested in my 0.7-ish turdball?
hanbot: well my variety speak is weak here lol.
asciilifeform: the classical recipe for stator involves getting hold of the dependencies (listed in stator/distfiles/MANIFEST), placing them in the latter dir, and ./
asciilifeform: this builds the whole shebang.
trinque: iirc stator didn't have a -e, might want that
trinque: I added it to mine to deal with blown up steps when fiddling with gcov and libressl
assbot: Microsoft Product Critical Vulnerability Week After Update End of Life | Qntra ... ( )
asciilifeform: trinque: -e ?
trinque: /bin/sh -e
trinque: or set -e I think is equivalent
asciilifeform: what's that do
trinque: bails out at the first exit nonzero
asciilifeform: good idea.
decimation: asciilifeform: < these folks seem to have a kernel for the rk30xx series socs
assbot: omegamoon · GitHub ... ( )
hanbot: asciilifeform so this route i imagined of installing v0.5.3.1-RELEASE followed by patching with the two bits mentioned in & the patches they themselves require is...impossible? redundant?
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Static Builder for TheRealBitcoin. ... ( )
asciilifeform: ah so ~that~ manual
asciilifeform: no, it is entirely doable and worth doing.
asciilifeform: the whole point of the way the patches were written.
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Static Builder for TheRealBitcoin. ... ( )
asciilifeform: or hm, no
asciilifeform: was confused with other builder for a sec.
asciilifeform: anyway, let's start from beginning:
asciilifeform: first, determine what you want to build
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Static Builder for TheRealBitcoin. ... ( )
asciilifeform: or some other set, with different patches ?
hanbot: the former
asciilifeform: so you want to reconstitute the snapshot found in the linked post?
hanbot: yes
asciilifeform: this is done as described therein:
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Full IRC Demolition; Manual External IP Setting; Version Bump. ... ( )
assbot: [BTC-dev] Static build crapocalypse. ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Sources and binary for my Bitcoin 0.7-ish turd
assbot: Index of /bitcoin-0.7.2 ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Only ever built from makefile generated from as even I have limited use cases for this
hanbot: asciilifeform i sketched the patch tree like so:
assbot: [BTC-dev] Removal of DNS Seed Mechanism. ... ( )
assbot: [BTC-dev] Removal of Hard-Coded Seeds ... ( )
assbot: [BTC-dev] Removal of DNS Seed Mechanism. ... ( )
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Full Orphanage Thermonuke. ... ( )
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Transaction Orphanage Amputation. ... ( )
assbot: [BTC-dev] Removal of Hard-Coded Seeds ... ( )
assbot: [BTC-dev] Removal of '' mechanism. ... ( )
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Full DNS Thermonuke! ... ( )
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Full IRC Demolition; Manual External IP Setting; Version Bump. ... ( )
asciilifeform: ttp://
assbot: [BTC-dev] Removal of '' mechanism. ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ this gets you through 'stator'.
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Full DNS Thermonuke! ... ( )
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Full IRC Demolition; Manual External IP Setting; Version Bump. ... ( )
assbot: [BTC-dev] Static build crapocalypse. ... ( )
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Raw Block Extractor ... ( )
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Raw Block Eater ... ( )
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Add '-verifyall' option. ... ( )
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