BingoBoingo: Image the Hard drives, wipe all the everything
trinque: I've got a 2tb I can dd all the drives to
decimation: heh I forgot that paragraph from yarvin: "
decimation: The basic problem is that the robber-barons of Silicon Valley, unlike their Victorian forebears, do not realize that, if they want all this science, they will actually have to pay for it - themselves. Instead, they look at their tax forms and think: I gave at the office."
decimation: "But they didn't. They gave to scientocracy. Now, they need to figure out how to patronize science - or there will be no science. Just scientific Bondo, sanded to perfection and painted with meticulous care."
trinque: and yet, yachts, hookers and blow have already been invented
trinque: another website I've snapped up in entirety
ag3nt_zer0: danielpbarron: is that your booklist? I would be happy to see your list, the ones that cater to or inform your self-identification as a religious thinker, if you ever have the inclination to share...
pete_dushenski: shanghai composite was on track for another losing day and now it's, well, FLATLINED
pete_dushenski: guessing the federalis stepped in again to make sure that 'confidence is restored' or some such
pete_dushenski: pretty lulzy way to operate a 'market' but hey, you don't mess with the emperor over there
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pete_dushenski: on the canadian side of the world of skewed incentives, this waterloo police officer plead guilty for breach of trust and was paid $350k over the next 3 years to golf and suntan.
mthreat: search is back up. I'll be moving it to another server soon.
assbot: ‘Dream come true': Ex-Waterloo Regional Police officer mockingly thanks force for paid suspension | National Post ... (
http://bit.ly/1I1jEUY )
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pete_dushenski: i sorta doubt that many 18-20 year olds today are up on chinese 'democratic' history from before they were born
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: can you enlighten me re: 'actual account' ?
assbot: Logged on 05-12-2014 05:09:14; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: are you familiar with china's reply to 'why did you roll up the (tiananmen) students (molotov-armed, by some reliable accounts - also with grenades) with tanks ?'
ag3nt_zer0: fair enough, maybe I am a gland junkie but I still find some of this stuff mildly shocking
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2014 19:43:12; asciilifeform: btw the chinese have scholars, of 'soviet collapse studies,' and some of their output is rather interesting and educational
ag3nt_zer0: yeah the accounts by the reporters in the hotel of the sounds of the bones and skulls being crushed kind of got my endocrines goin
pete_dushenski: that it's already in the logs... i dun really give a shit about ag3nt_zer0's hormones !
ag3nt_zer0: forgot the documentary but it was about the guy who shot the tank man video... and how that video barely made it out
ag3nt_zer0: with a mild speculative inference that it was instrumental in inspiring the geramns to topple the wall
pete_dushenski: cazalla: if it makes you feel better, it's the same story in vancouver.
ag3nt_zer0: yeah I hear you. ftr I didn't mean to imply that I concluded anything...
pete_dushenski: not that i really give a shit about vancouver, mind you, but it's sorta kinda not really in my backyard atm.
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: I am guessing not in the way that you might be about to tell me?
pete_dushenski: "hey u guise, i have a capital idea ! mebbe no one will notice that we've inflated trillion of worthless rmb into our 'markets' if we change the colours of the stop lights at the intersection !"
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: bah, get out. there's a recipe for stock market accounting and sse is playing games.
pete_dushenski: or mebbe i'm a johnny come lately cynic. also possibru.
pete_dushenski: is it some kind of fucking mid-day national holiday in shanghai ?
pete_dushenski: and i can't seem to source an explanation for the bloody thing
pete_dushenski: "Roman Dahl @dahlroman 2m2 minutes ago #Chinese GDP beats the estm. 7% Y/Y vs 6.8%; Shanghai -2.17%; 24% of firms in trading halt."
pete_dushenski: another halt. so that's two in the past 5 trading sessions then ?
pete_dushenski: fuck, no wonder even 'foxconn' is getting the hell outta dodge and moving 1 mn workers to india
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 17:08:58; mircea_popescu: mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1"
pete_dushenski: "A flight attendant testified Lander and Jason George Chase, a co-accused, used a coat to cover their laps to fondle each other." << on air canada flight. both 'criminals' now under house arrest and/or probation.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 'likely' being based on the peoples and their geography
pete_dushenski: well to be fair to afghanistan, it's producing heroin like never before
pete_dushenski: gotta use what's available, not just whatever you'd like
pete_dushenski: so mebbe factories are better in india and china, and poppy plantations are better in afghanistan, and wheat fields in ukraine
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2014 03:28:22; asciilifeform: because american factory gurlz want toilet breaks, health care!, etc
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2014 03:26:01; asciilifeform: japan jumped the gap - why? because they had the 'natural resource'
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2014 03:26:18; asciilifeform: - that being, six generations of people willing to work into the grave for a cup of rice
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welshjf: howdy mircea_popescu, just lurking :)
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ben_vulpes: <phf> ben_vulpes: eventually, aha. i'm not even sure yet that i can repeat the process. for example part of build process is a script that chooses between gcc-4.6 and clang based on whether it's .c or .mm. the fact that the result links i think is a miracle << bwahahahahahaha
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ag3nt_zer0: splendid, went to a kind of groceries shop where pr0l3z are not permitted (costs a hundy/yr to enter) << the things you find entertaining, i swear
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> no photo card - no enter. << that this is enforced at yours is very indicative of the differences between our corners of usistan
ben_vulpes: * danielpbarron prefers to use cash whereever possible so as to give merchant the option of keeping it "under the table" << where i come we call this the "cascadian discount"
ben_vulpes: pay in cash for a 15% discount. half of the savings from not paying the tax man to the person paying, half to the merchant.
ben_vulpes: why anyone would pay cash without this arrangement boggles.
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> In other news, apparently parts of the US can make actual cheese << what hellhole do you live in that doesn't have fresh cheese maiden made at every monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday and sunday farmer's market?
ben_vulpes: in other news, my bloodily hacked together stator has achieved block 331707
ben_vulpes: lol nothing to it beyond applying patches
ben_vulpes: the most marvelous achievement of mine is the time allocated to reading patches
ben_vulpes: <trinque> another website I've snapped up in entirety << have you pared it down to just text yet?
trinque: no, probably trivial with w3m or something
ben_vulpes: i have a whole weekend of plane flights and insane fambly ahead
ben_vulpes: best thing to possibly have on the screen are gpg-grams and cpp
ben_vulpes: although i'm going to miss my new ergonomic keyboard
ben_vulpes: it set in on a particularly long bike ride on a particularly shitty bike
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ben_vulpes: after which i mused to myself about vibrating handles and mircea_popescu's computer use wisdom
trinque: ^ which causes me to notice...
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> "A flight attendant testified Lander and Jason George Chase, a co-accused, used a coat to cover their laps to fondle each other." << on air canada flight. both 'criminals' now under house arrest and/or probation. << i can't figure for whom this is a problem
trinque: getting pretty unimpressed with tenyks.
ben_vulpes: i for one have fondled and been fondled on many a flight with zero harrasment from either other passengers or flight staff
ben_vulpes: perhaps i do not intend to 'own the space' as mircea_popescu describes the act
ben_vulpes: the funny thing about my stator is that i have a binary called bitcoind-7-11-patched-with-dumpblock
trinque: heh, I did the same on a school trip's flight back from colorado
trinque: with a chick I hooked up with on the trip
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trinque: so far I tend to think the object system is for UI doodads, not for the data model
ben_vulpes: but imagine if you were actually into self-serializing data structures you could hang all sorts of useful stuff off of CLOS classes that did db queries transparently
trinque: I tend to think Table is an object, not Customer
trinque: otherwise you have two ever-diverging data models to constantly sync up
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trinque: or you only use the features in the "upper" model
trinque: I still don't see how I'd use CLOS like I use view composition in the db
ben_vulpes: our lispy crud stuff doesn't even formalize 'models'
ben_vulpes: we just have a bunch of functions called reset-password, set-user-whatever, update-user-whatever
trinque: I think that's the right way.
ben_vulpes: that poke mother pg in all of the right spots
ben_vulpes: the weakness is that we don't use database constraints, which is where the oop model shines a bit
ben_vulpes: we just kinda hand-wave and say "yeah man there are users, and this is how we diddle them in the database in this particular way"
trinque: can always throw an error if a particular slot is initialized to nil
ben_vulpes: i guess this is the "small teams and discipline" approach
ben_vulpes: db constraints seem like a decent step.
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ben_vulpes: but on the flipside, another deploy target
trinque: in particular what I like about the approach of just editing the db is it doesn't try to say this is a "customer" action or an "order" or so on
trinque: bolting the behavior to anything other than a symbol is retarded
trinque: if you wanna mention "customer" in the name of the function, great
trinque: hm from a perspective that is advocating a lack of constraints
trinque: as for db constraints, they can at least help when some logic is easier expressed if it is assumed that the data model has some expected structure
trinque: rather than having if statements handling the lack of that part of the data model in code
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trinque: I wanna build a bastard lisp for the webasm thing
trinque: and just fart graphics onto a canvas or webgl
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assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 04:58:07; pete_dushenski: cazalla: if it makes you feel better, it's the same story in vancouver.
chetty: just think how great the net would be if all of a sudden all the ddos stopped, wonder what % of net traffic is that?
mircea_popescu: suppose all the idiots running stupid shit, random nat routers, bad wp installs, etc, got forbidden from the net.
mircea_popescu: take aol back. we don't want it, we never wanted it, fuck the fucking open-to-idiots internet.
mircea_popescu: the bovine sort of "people" libertardism/welfarism produces have really no place. not on the net, not under the sun, not anywhere. drop dead and spare the earth spurious shadows.
ben_vulpes: "i have been typing a lot and my hand hurts"
dignork: mircea_popescu: it sounds almost possible – claim damages against each of DDOS participants, 0.5 btc each for example. But these claims cannot be enforced.
ben_vulpes: i would like to know how mircea_popescu operates the computer machine healthily if he does not suffer from this affliction, or fear it
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cazalla: we have another name for rsi down under.. wankers cramp
assbot: Logged on 22-04-2015 22:11:24; artifexd: Bottom line, I expect to have something to share for testing in 4 weeks.
trinque: artifexd: any progress? eagerly awaited
trinque: much better platform than this webapp bullshit
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fluffypony: oh wow, we're graced by a Freenode staff member
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mircea_popescu: 4574 of that crap, in a 4797 total txn block (avg is about 500-1k these days)
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Naphex: cazalla: reddit has been hit hard by the eternal september. you gotta be brain dead to even lurk around nowadays
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mircea_popescu: "But... the most delicious part of this is that on at least two separate occasions, the board pressed /u/ekjp to outright ban ALL the hate subreddits in a sweeping purge. She resisted, knowing the community, claiming it would be a shitshow. Ellen isn't some "evil, manipulative, out-of-touch incompetent she-devil" as was often depicted. She was approved by the board and recommended by me because when I left, she was the
mircea_popescu: only technology executive anywhere who had the chops and experience to manage a startup of this size, AND who understood what reddit was all about. "
mircea_popescu: she's a fucktard, she has exactly no expertise or chops, and decade old failures are start-ups just like fifty year old starlets.
mircea_popescu: in any case, it's refreshing to see the new/old tarddit ceo is just as unreadable / mentally disorganised / clueless as the average poster there.
Naphex: how long can you be called a startup anyway? reddit is like 10 years old or what o.O;
mircea_popescu: well in lalaland words don't necessarily mean anything. especially if they sound good.
mircea_popescu: (where sound good = "i've heard it a lot, and the context seemed to me positive")
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Naphex: mircea_popescu: decent. trafic slowed down a bit.
Naphex: working on getting more girls and studios on board, while trying to avoid all the chicken and eggs
mircea_popescu: if you ever decide for a big move, i wanna hear all about how it went.
Naphex: trafic slowing down and hard as hell to sync the girls with the customers but happens on the rare ocasions
mircea_popescu: i'm currently very meh on the entire "advertising" bs.
mircea_popescu: "i know half my advertising money is wasted, and i can tell you exactly which half : both of them!"
Naphex: advertising doesn't work at all atm
cazalla: Naphex, how do you compete with something like mfc and livejasmin?
Naphex: every try failed, hard so its all organic trafic
Naphex: cazalla: easy. fast setup, fast payouts and none of the stupid shitty rules.
Naphex: i'll be launching a refferal program for xotika.tv later this week. hopefully it will help with the activit
Naphex: thinking 5...10% of the mbtc tips routed to the referral
cazalla: can't imagine how i'd market it seeing i jump straight to mfc and don't bother googling .. perhaps keywords related to the country the girl is from might work "korean cam girl" type phrases
fluffypony: cazalla: yeah, I'd also guess that long-tail keywords are good in that space
cazalla: fluffypony, yeah i'd target that and if Naphex is offering 5-10% of the the tips as referall payments, pay those you sign up 1/3 to 1/2 of that to sweeten it and incentivise em to use your links (i wonder how this would work with coinbase $25 sign up.. offer em $10 additional bonus)
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mircea_popescu: nevertheless, if you wish to try for it : buysellads takes btc and handles coinbase. they do a patently insane .1 btc CPM so i really don't advise it.
cazalla: not too keen, can't imagine the demand for new coinbase accounts is that great unless they're coming from stolen ids and shit
shinohai: coinbase will pay u up to $20 for a legit new account. whiz bang!
cazalla: $25 i thought.. but really, that method isn't much different from roger ver's idea to set up a table in starbucks and sell starbuck vouchers via that bitcoin site wahtever the fuck it is called, forget
nubbins`: starbucks would 100% kick you out
nubbins`: you're not even allowed to take photographs inside one
Naphex: cazalla YOU MARKET TO BITCOINERS
nubbins`: "The substances purchased have been various Schedule I and II drugs, including ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, LSD, and others. As of April 2013, at least 56 samples of these purchases have been laboratory-tested, and, of these, 54 have shown high purity levels of the drug the item was advertised to be on Silk Road. "
shinohai: There was a guy caught filming women whizzing in the bathroom at a starbucks near me.
cazalla: shinohai, they made that illegal here even if done in public
cazalla: that sparked some reading into the issue where i learned some dudes are so keen on this and they have shoe spy cams
shinohai: yeah they charged this guy with cp distribution because his sdcard contained childreen
cazalla: Naphex, tough sell to market to bitcoiners though.. i don't know what the numbers for mfc are like but i don't imagine more than 5% of visitors actually buy coins to tip the ladies with.. fewer people have bitcoins and i'd bet a smaller percent would be willing to part with em for cam girls, at least at this point in time
Naphex: cazalla: they actually do convert
cazalla: mircea_popescu, any idea what a site like mfc converts at?
mircea_popescu: when they first came out they were actually doing pretty good
mircea_popescu: for a brief year or two it actually looked like they may save pron from the tubedeath.
cazalla: there are so many girls on mfc giving it up for free too
Naphex: Amt: 9.69881492 btcdrak AFKey: directCount:14277 <- xotika stats, first month
Naphex: so its actually pretty good
Naphex: the count is the # of unique sessions, viewed stream
cazalla: i wonder if a clips4sale.com bitcoin clone might do ok
mircea_popescu dreams of a future where xotika-eulora have integration and people can go wank in a mmorpg
cazalla: those type of sites seem popular
Naphex: my biggest problem atm is getting rid of the damn blockings. Performers will come check the site for visitors before streaaming
Naphex: viewers check for online channels
Naphex: and nobody does a thing lol
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assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 13:00:52; shinohai: yeah they charged this guy with cp distribution because his sdcard contained childreen
mircea_popescu: so then they can convict him for using a terrorist device in furterance of a terrorist plot.
mircea_popescu: there exist no technical solutions to political problems.
mircea_popescu: the solution to political problems is, was always and will forever remain, the beheading of the individuals causing it.
mircea_popescu: yes but this is a purely aesthetic option on your part
mircea_popescu: like some women would rather go around nude in high heels.
nubbins`: only so much you can learn from a manual
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 11:39:46; mircea_popescu: 4574 of that crap, in a 4797 total txn block (avg is about 500-1k these days)
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mircea_popescu: dns1-5.registrar-servers.com looks like the registrar maintains your ns.
nubbins`: like having to let the stove cool down before switching pots
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nubbins`: cut the breaker at the box, let the iron cool
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 12:57:37; nubbins`: "The substances purchased have been various Schedule I and II drugs, including ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, LSD, and others. As of April 2013, at least 56 samples of these purchases have been laboratory-tested, and, of these, 54 have shown high purity levels of the drug the item was advertised to be on Silk Road. "
nubbins`: of course, past performance is not an indicator of &c &c
nubbins`: this kicked up a bit of a stink here yesterday:
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 14:29:58; assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 12:57:37; nubbins`: "The substances purchased have been various Schedule I and II drugs, including ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, LSD, and others. As of April 2013, at least 56 samples of these purchases have been laboratory-tested, and, of these, 54 have shown high purity levels of the drug the item was advertised to be on Silk Road. "
nubbins`: asciilifeform iirc, a kg of brown substance that's 5% hashish and 95% chocolate is considered a kg of hash
nubbins`: asciilifeform this was a city assessor demanding entry under threat of fines
nubbins`: council decided they'd better clear the air today:
nubbins`: “If you refuse them entry into the home, that’s fine. The assessor won’t go any further with that. The assessment work is then done from outside the home.”
nubbins`: council clarified they're specifically not "inspecting" or looking for code violations
nubbins`: just extra apartments, additions, etc that'd impact prop tax
nubbins`: asciilifeform landlords have the right to inspect property here with 24h notice
nubbins`: somewhat related, we've decided to keep the second house for another 5
nubbins`: i am two mortgages, hear me roar
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the "laboratory testing" where some woman in mass was found to have out and out lied over thousands of cases, resulting in a bazillion overturn or retried cases ?
nubbins`: somewhat related, the interest rates on mortgages are INSANE right now
nubbins`: they wouldn't because then there would be no labs left
mircea_popescu: so... yeah. it's probably rampant, half the labs just fgind what the da says and the rest have no clue what year it is.
nubbins`: i think we renewed at smth like 2.5%?
nubbins`: mine from ~4 years ago is around 3.6%
nubbins`: thought about selling the second home
nubbins`: decided we probably would not be in a position to repurchase a second home in the future, should we so desire
gribble: Error: "so" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: see, if you didn't do enough drugs in your youth ? nubbins` got you licked.
assbot: Texas town adds sugar to water supply to encourage residents to drink more water - Home | This is That with Pat Kelly and Peter Oldring | CBC Radio ... (
http://bit.ly/1K7u3Pv )
nubbins`: i read this with wide-eyed amazement until they said 4 tbsp of sugar per 8oz water
nubbins`: then was mildly annoyed at myself
nubbins`: "we don't just talk about the issues, we fabricate them"
nubbins`: asciilifeform refinancing anything isn't in the books
nubbins`: it would be fairly difficult to lose money on this
nubbins`: in fact, due to accelerated payments, the house could lose 40% of its value over the next 5 years and we could still sell it for a profit
nubbins`: my biggest worry was some sort of major catastrophe happening and not being able to cover repairs
nubbins`: but i think at this point, everything that could go wrong already has
nubbins`: there's a lotta shit insurance doesn't cover
nubbins`: even if it does cover it, takes weeks/months to settle claim
nubbins`: meantime, you've got a hole in the side of your house or a flooded basement or w/e
nubbins`: water damage is specifically excluded from most insurance contracts
nubbins`: anyway, i'm pretty much a home repair expert by now
nubbins`: "yeah, we have rent here for you... and there's a gallon a minute pouring through the first floor ceiling"
mats: 10:40:46 <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform recall the "laboratory testing" where some woman in mass was found to have out and out lied over thousands of cases, resulting in a bazillion overturn or retried cases ? << another chick was found to be doing the same thing in 2014
assbot: Northampton chemist Sonja Farak gets 18 months in jail for tampering with drug samples | masslive.com ... (
http://bit.ly/1Sn7WUd )
mats: another one in MA, no less
chetty: yeah its good here too, now
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nubbins`: implying that most cocaine users do it for the fun.
assbot: Confederate flag-flying CRD Metalworks may move 14 jobs from Williamsburg to Hatfield | masslive.com ... (
http://bit.ly/1Sn90aJ )
nubbins`: implying that regular cocaine users don't just use it to cope
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nubbins`: For Farak, crack cocaine was used for the same goddamn reason everyone else uses it, Pourinski didn't but should have said
nubbins`: "loltasticly a Mike Hearn Bitcoin XT node was used to relay the double-spends"
nubbins`: hm, wonder if there are any plantations accepting btc
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assbot: Marvel targets tiny-town Tilt Cove for Ant-Man marketing campaign - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... (
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chetty: brace yourselves, there is something new under the sun, the price of a pack of smokes went down.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: dumpblock killed my stator when i misscalled it
ben_vulpes: you'll want more from debug, so hang plz
ben_vulpes: anowait, the dumpblock rpc is right there
ascii_field: i'm a bit puzzled what happened between '"blocks" : 331976' and 'SetBestChain: new best=00000000000000000138 height=335023'
ben_vulpes: debug.log is 500M, you want the whole thing?
ascii_field: and see system log for segfault or the like
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ascii_field: notice, no error checking with the filename
ascii_field: if this reliably kills, then blame yourself
ascii_field: take more care with the pistol. don't point at own head
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nubbins`: ascii_field, posts like that make me feel like liquidating
nubbins`: and putting the money in something safe, like penny stocks or mediterranean economies
ascii_field: nubbins`: this is when you ought to envy folks like me, who have nothing
nubbins`: i envy your workshop(s), which i imagine is/are full of wonder and strange
nubbins`: for me, too, this is a game 8)
nubbins` generally lives life as if 1btc == $0.00
danielpbarron: nubbins`> ascii_field, posts like that make me feel like liquidating << haha i had similar thought
nubbins`: danielpbarron, it seems likely that kludges and bugs will be baked into Bitcoin for eternity
nubbins`: should make for an interesting future
nubbins`: harry belafonte should write a song about bitcoin
danielpbarron: i do not worry or envy though -- that there exists bitcoin as it is today and other things that go with it like what's done in here is like a miracle to me
danielpbarron: my expectation for this world is that everything will suck and everyone is stupid
nubbins`: but you do find beautiful flowers in the strangest of places, huh?
ascii_field: holy fuck is the mempool full of boiling liquid shit right now.
ascii_field: danielpbarron: where are you syncing from ?
kakobrekla: pogo has trouble keeping up with real-time?
danielpbarron: yes it is a pogo, and it's not syncing from any particular node
ascii_field: i would not be greatly surprised to learn that it does not keep up
ascii_field: also will not surprise me if that flash disk doesn't last the year
ascii_field: the keep-whole-block-index-in-ram thing is retarded and Must Die (tm)
ascii_field: the current turd is not 'pogoable' and i'm surprised that danielpbarron bothered to test it there
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mod6: magic number is not 0xD9B4BEF9 in 364671
mod6: is that what you saw in that block too?
mod6: im looking at the block, i don't see the magic number in there.
mod6: that's the first part of the block...
mod6: maybe i got a bad copy?
ascii_field: methings some clever fella is trying a frame-shift attack
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11774 @ 0.00053801 = 6.3345 BTC [-]
mod6: anyone see where the code serializes the magic number itself?
mod6: sorry /me looks again
punkman: which version do we target for bug-to-bug compatibility, since 0.5.3 won't do?
solrodar: sorry to butt in, but could one of you gentlemen working on this take a few minutes to check my call graph script so I can claim my payment?
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ascii_field: it'll have to be ben_vulpes or trinque; i don't presently have an install of 'clang'.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29438 @ 0.00055835 = 16.4367 BTC [+]
nubbins`: where's your call graph script
nubbins`: and then i found myself installing llvm
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trinque: ascii_field | it'll have to be ben_vulpes or trinque; i don't presently have an install of 'clang'. << solrodar: maybe later, doing irl work presently
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mats: looks like the Black Standard, jurov
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pete_dushenski: ascii_field so what's the deal with this 'out of range' signaturehash stuff ?
pete_dushenski: i read the linked articles but they didn't mean much to me.
pete_dushenski: other than the obvious : bitcoin was written by the retarded.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:12:50; ascii_field: nubbins`: this is when you ought to envy folks like me, who have nothing
pete_dushenski: "being a slave is better than you'd think. being a freeman is for delusional suckers !"
pete_dushenski: anyways, bitcoin is bricolage, even if it's 'elemental'
nubbins`: do you consider yourself a 'freeman'?
nubbins`: the o.o is because being a 'freeman' implies you're a kook, simply by virtue of all the assorted kookiness 'freemen' get into
nubbins`: it is like alf calling himself a 'maker' because he's creating a pick & place from scratch
nubbins`: and thusly putting himself in the same bin as people making secret knock unlock devices w/ arduinos using prewritten libraries
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 21:31:15; pete_dushenski: "being a slave is better than you'd think. being a freeman is for delusional suckers !"
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 21:24:45; pete_dushenski: ascii_field so what's the deal with this 'out of range' signaturehash stuff ?
ascii_field: and the enemy is in 'tilt' and decided to do it publicly
nubbins`: ascii_field it's an upside of not having put money you thought you didn't need but actually sorta do need into bitcoin.
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assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 21:40:50; ascii_field: and the enemy is in 'tilt' and decided to do it publicly
pete_dushenski imagines uncle sam at heads-up poker table with stan, the two staring each other down, sweat beading on their brows, knowing that the winner takes home the cash, the loser hangs by his guts
ascii_field: at any rate, none of the diddles thus far would have made so much as a scratch on, e.g., 'adacoin'
ascii_field: all artifacts of the cpp turd's bottomless well of stupid
pete_dushenski: ascii_field well adacoin couldn't wait until 2020 or w/e
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: it will wait until someone gives a sufficient fuck to pay for it.
ascii_field: could be a hundred years, could be yesterday
ascii_field: i say 'yesterday' because, as mircea_popescu is fond of reminding us, no one knows what is used on the planets where the miners live
ascii_field: however presently his 'smart miners' live in the same hypothetical world as my 'meta-nsa'
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ascii_field: i.e. by all signs they ~ought to~ exist, somewhere, but the evidence accessible to the naked eye is very thin.
pete_dushenski: i see mp's smart miners as a 'one day' phenomenon, and therefore more akin to your talebian dream life
ascii_field: mno, my understanding is that he believes them to exist ~now~
pete_dushenski: it may also be that we are 'after the war' already but don't know it (not that i necessarily subscribe to this theory).
pete_dushenski: that we imagine the enemy's cannon range to be far greater than it really is, and our defenses stronger than they are.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: didja miss the thread where mircea_popescu told us that is appears my nodes are the last remaining known pre-0.8s which are unwedged presently ?
pete_dushenski: i recall him thanking the heavens that #b-a exists, yes.
ascii_field: (i have two but only one is on a serious pipe and running 24/7)
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punkman: "Only since the advent of smartphones can we create good public key software that doesn't need to say the word "key." As an added bonus: the more devices you have, the safer you are when one is lost."
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punkman: in other news, greek parliament just voted for 3rd bailout deal
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BingoBoingo: punkman: Really? The Greeks aren't going to conspire with Mittenwald against Berlin?
punkman: they played the ww2 debt card already
BingoBoingo: But the Greek Debt is nothing compared to Berlin's Debts
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: DoS returned. Will try to get it up when possible.
gribble: kakobrekla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 38 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <kakobrekla> o was it not?
mthreat: i've moved the search.b-a to a new server, although it's running on the old one for another 2 weeks
mthreat: you control the dns on that right?
mthreat: sure, the new one is 45.79.3.24
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mthreat: chinese job postings routinely specify measurements for female employees, for jobs such as receptionist, and also specify that they be "attractive". If you just search on
http://cn.indeed.com for "cm", you'll find jobs with centimeter measurements.
mthreat: and then use google translate to read them, unless you happen to read chinese
mthreat: looks like most of them specify height, for males too. But I've seen some specify bust/waist/ass measurements
mthreat: translation of requirements: 1, have a good image quality, height 162-168CM
mthreat: 2, bust 83-85CM, waist 59-62CM, hip 88-91CM, Shoulder 37-38CM
gernika: I once applied for a job in Shenzhen - was required to send my picture. I was deemed acceptable.
trinque: someone tell me again how this country that holds tons of our debt - and is buying up everything left of value in our country - is inferior to us
BingoBoingo: Sorry DoS left Qntra a bit constipated, news bowels should be clearer for a bit
gernika: Actually used to work at Micron, as an intern for a summer. Would have worked for them for a second summer but ... drug test. They did email on a Vax of some sorts, but were otherwise a windows shop.
gernika: AMD only did one drug test, so just extended my internship there instead.
mircea_popescu: well, inasmuch as my bitcoin doesn't eat the block, they have.
mircea_popescu: what i gathered from what you were saying yest was that they contain an actual spendable tx that will be accepted as input for future txn by future usg clients, thus forking off the legitimate network
mircea_popescu: which is obviously always a possibility but atm i don't see how it'd work.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 19:04:26; mod6: magic number is not 0xD9B4BEF9 in 364671
mircea_popescu: i've not kept up with all the idiocy spweing out of that shit-for-brains, so maybe.,
mod6: guess i should have said "first four bytes are not..."
trinque: ben_vulpes: thought some more about db testing strategy
trinque: make rules -> try to break them -> if you can't, test passes
trinque: so the pass is a db exception
trinque: I prefer to just inspect the thing myself and see that the constraint's there, but that's an option if ya want tests
trinque: so one day nobody showed up for band practice, and the guy said "FUCK IT, I AM THE BAND"
nubbins`: <+gernika> I once applied for a job in Shenzhen - was required to send my picture. I was deemed acceptable. <<< did same for teaching job in sk
nubbins`: hornets' cybernest sounds better
mats: asciilifeform: what's there to write about, folks have covered all the interesting bits already
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 15:01:17; nubbins`: implying that most cocaine users do it for the fun.
mircea_popescu: this is a defense now, "well... not like i was having fun". so... fuck you for being dumb ?
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:15:35; nubbins`: danielpbarron, it seems likely that kludges and bugs will be baked into Bitcoin for eternity
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:18:50; danielpbarron: my expectation for this world is that everything will suck and everyone is stupid
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:14:46; *: nubbins` generally lives life as if 1btc == $0.00
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:35:24; ascii_field: the current turd is not 'pogoable' and i'm surprised that danielpbarron bothered to test it there
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 19:19:37; punkman: which version do we target for bug-to-bug compatibility, since 0.5.3 won't do?
trinque: maybe he's asking what if anything shall be backported
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as best i can determine atm we're not (yet) hosed.
mircea_popescu: but if the shitshow continues where imbeciles simply do random things, we will certainly end up hosed.
mircea_popescu: "I'm not allowed to see the final agreement between the government and my husband. "
assbot: burtw is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: afaik they misjudge both their technical ability and the actual state of the network, but hey, if that's what the excel model said...
punkman: 0.5.3 will accept new v2 blocks for example. is that a good idea right now?
mircea_popescu: just like every single last schmuck working for the usg must know that one day we will hang him for ~THAT~ crime, just so every schmuck fucking around with "bitcoiin development" must know that one day, his efforts will be undone and we revert.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has a russian expression to explain this concept. it originates, mythically, with stalin.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 04:16:44; asciilifeform: 3) не шагу назад
mircea_popescu: there is nothing that the usg has ever done or could ever do that has even the faintest whiff of permanence. not one thing.
decimation: asciilifeform: besides, even if you had $x mil, what difference would it really make
decimation: other than 'had, then lost' rather than 'never had'
cazalla: i figured most if not all people here are well prepared if upon waking bitcoin is $0 or dead.. i would go work in the garden as i did yesterday and will tmw so bit surprised to read this one from asciilifeform
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:12:50; ascii_field: nubbins`: this is when you ought to envy folks like me, who have nothing
decimation: asciilifeform: it's just a knock off of redhat
decimation: what part strikes you as more retarded: the partitions or the lvm?
decimation: yeah I find lvm is a 'solution in search of a problem'
mircea_popescu: sheer militant retardation of centos's default partitioning scheme << what's wrong with it ? asked he cluelessly.
decimation: asciilifeform: in fairness, what would a 'sane' scheme be?
decimation: one that uses no lvm and allocates most space to 'home'
decimation: it has to insert itself into your business I guess
decimation: anyone serious does their own partition scheme
mircea_popescu: this sounds insane. i've never seen it on any centos server i ever owned.
decimation: I think he's talking about what happens when you click the default entry
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 21:54:58; ascii_field: at any rate, none of the diddles thus far would have made so much as a scratch on, e.g., 'adacoin'
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is a) game currency and b) prototype. pick as needed.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 00:04:23; mthreat: chinese job postings routinely specify measurements for female employees, for jobs such as receptionist, and also specify that they be "attractive". If you just search on
http://cn.indeed.com for "cm", you'll find jobs with centimeter measurements.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 00:06:22; mthreat: looks like most of them specify height, for males too. But I've seen some specify bust/waist/ass measurements
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 00:23:05; gernika: Actually used to work at Micron, as an intern for a summer. Would have worked for them for a second summer but ... drug test. They did email on a Vax of some sorts, but were otherwise a windows shop.
mircea_popescu: sometimes i think i'm the last dude left that doesn't do drugs.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 00:24:43; asciilifeform: to round off the earlier thread, aficionados of 'parallel construction' will find a treasure of a lulzfest in the 'darkode' indictments.
mircea_popescu: honestly i have a lot of trouble distinguishing this "law enforcement" push from "hiring spree"
mircea_popescu: i don't even drink a notable amount of coffee fer crissakes.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2014 17:22:10; mircea_popescu: speaking of high, the pot here is infucking credible.
mod6: If bitcoin should perish, we will write it's successor: the revolution will not be stopped. Crypto-currency is here to stay. Full stop.
mircea_popescu: so it is. and i say so on the basis of dragging twice off a chick's joint.
mircea_popescu: ftr, it's not like i'm on some sort of war on drugs mission or anything. i can appreciate good cocaine just as i can appreciate good steak, i've a refined palate etc.
hanbot: mod6 is that an altcoin that swings both ways?
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cazalla you know the qntra after a day's blackout is actually quite good!
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mircea_popescu: "Points of objection to the extradition put forth by Davis's counsel claim he would be subjected to inhuman and degrading conditions if convicted and that as he suffers from depression and aspergers, his mental health would be put at risk. Counsel also argued that Davis should have been charged with the offences he is alleged to have committed in Ireland and not in the US. Despite this, the Irish DPP has not investigat
mircea_popescu: ed nor has any intention of charging Davis in relation to his alleged Silk Road activity."
trixisowned: [22:55:27] <mircea_popescu> and i have heard "something", just nothing particularly substantial.
mircea_popescu: yes the backlog is going to be permanent. who exactly is surprised by this ?
mircea_popescu: again : bitcoin is not for the poor. there's articles on trilema detailing this going all the way back to 2012. what, this never happened ?
trixisowned: you can force your blocks to have more of a backlog than other blocks, which is also prioritized via the client
trixisowned: which could cause them to profit by stuffing their own blocks
trixisowned: and not relaying those transactions to other nodes
trinque: doesn't look like anything fun is left on these drives but a gigabyte of a base ubuntu install
trinque: at least for anyone lacking a scanning electron microscope
trinque just fired up the jet engine in his closet
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah I'll still dd the thing somewhere
trinque: and there are 4 other drives not installed for additional phun
trinque: yeah, ass-goblins in the hd firmware right?
trinque: I assume this box is no more owned than the lenovo laptop I'm fiddling with it from
decimation: Hey there's 'women in tech', why not 'poor in tech' and 'alternatively housed in tech'
decimation: " The sudden visibility of these sell orders significantly shifted the visible order imbalance in that contract, and it coincided with the beginning of the reversal of its price (the top of the price spike). Most of these limit orders were not executed, as the price did not rise to their levels.
decimation: ah the missing bit in the middle "a number of previously posted large sell orders suddenly became visible in the order book above the current 30-year futures price (as well as in smaller size in 10-year futures)."
decimation: also: "At the peak of the flash crash, self-trading in the 10-year "reached 14.9 percent and 11.5 percent for cash and futures" volume, respectively, and was even higher in the 5-year"
decimation: ^ I conclude that the high rent firms who run the hft bots are just as clueless as spv miners
decimation: " Self-trading, for the purpose of this report, is defined as a transaction in which the same entity takes both sides of the trade so that no change in beneficial ownership results."
decimation: so they are running a gaggle of bots and they have no fuckin' clue how they interact
decimation: mod6: perhaps, it's not clear to me how selling something to yourself is beneficial in tax terms
mircea_popescu: decimation conclusion is certainly correct. they have no clue and no future.
mircea_popescu: "The modern traveller " thy name is legion " proposing to visit some " lost paradise " such as Bali, often asks whether or not it has yet been " spoiled." It makes a naive, and even tragic, confession. For this man does not reflect that he is condemning him- self ; that what his question asks is whether or not the sources of equilibrium and grace in the other civilizations have yet been poisoned by contact with men lik
mircea_popescu: e him- self and the culture of which he is a product." << this is deeply self-flattering but just as deeply wrong. if a man asks if a woman is a virgin, he also condemns himself ?
decimation: ^ apparently most 'stock ownership' is a complete mirage
decimation: the state of delaware doesn't even acknowledge that your broker owns the stock, yet alone you
mircea_popescu: " it is to be feared that the gradual breaking down of their institutions, together with the drain on their national wealth, will make coolies, thieves, beggars and prostitutes of the proud and honourable Balinese of this generation, and will" prostitution is not to be feared. prostitution is the realisation of the feminine ideal finally liberated of all the slag of fear and hypocrisy.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i still can't fucking stand that wamy fellow, nothing's changed in a decade.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather read orlov's daughter from a marriage with yarvin consumated on one of their leaky carriers they have.
mircea_popescu: decimation you can get proper ownership if you want, to this day (a point fucktarded articles deliberately omit to mention)
decimation: that passage sounds like the seeds of 'liberal guilt'
decimation: yeah, apparently the common method is a big dumb 'depository company' holds them on behalf of another company who holds them on behalf of a broker who 'sells' them to you
mircea_popescu: i think i even have unissued ones from old corps in storage somewhere as well.
decimation: you need to actually hold a certificate to be an owner in delaware apparently
decimation: or at least have a warehouse receipt for the same
decimation: well, when I give the broker money for a stock or fund, what am I buying?
mircea_popescu: again nobody forces you to buy something you don't wanna buy
decimation: actually in the us they kinda do sometimes
decimation: for instance if you have a forced menu on your company's retirement plan
mircea_popescu: (yes they'll ship you the certs if you so wish, and aren't one of the reddit "but i expect everyything for free" consumer crowd)
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 02:21:50; mircea_popescu: course, he was discussing failing tests and whatnot.
decimation: very typically your company will have a short list of 'funds' in which you can invest your usg-blessed 'deferred tax' money
gernika: mircea_popescu They did, some 15 years ago. This is Idaho and Texas we're talking about.
mircea_popescu: decimation i would expect you can get certs for your fund participation. you don't own what they own, just a piece of them.
decimation: mircea_popescu: possibly, I'll have to look into it.
mircea_popescu: decimation obviously, ownership is not without its pitfals. if you manage to burn them down you may have a problem on your hands.
gernika: mircea_popescu Aha no the Chinese thing was a test of my appearance via a photo, which I passed.
decimation: did you know that nearly all retail 'financial advisors' in the us are not actually fiduciary?
mircea_popescu: think about it. how much does insurance cost ? how'd you make it so random schmuck with 50 bucks in his pocket can afford one ?
decimation: you make it so nobody is liable for suckering him
decimation: which is roughly the state of the computer industry that ascii bemoans
mircea_popescu: the elephant in the room is that ten thousand today are not worth a hundred in 1920, whcih is the last release year of most of this stuff.
decimation: yeah ownership dilusion is rampant too
mircea_popescu: people with less than a million liquid are not in any sense anything but the shoeshine boys and shop maids investing their nickles and dimes, which famously made carnegie quit or who was it
decimation: how did greenspun put it:
http://philip.greenspun.com/materialism/early-retirement/investing " Note that Harvard's total is 105 percent because of leverage, i.e., situations in which they've borrowed money to purchase investments. Conspicuously absent from these portfolios are heavy investments in American companies run by Harvard and Yale graduates. "Domestic Equity" are publicly traded stocks such as GE and Microsoft. Harvard and Ya
decimation: "Harvard and Yale have faith that their graduates will make a lot of money for themselves, but no faith that they will make money for their shareholders. "
mircea_popescu: harvard has a lot better sense than to buy the toxic spew of its own "start-up culture".
decimation: yeah, they buy timber land and private equity
decimation: also note that yale hardly buys bonds too
decimation: but the bottom line is that 70% of their wealth is invested in stuff that isn't available to the above shoeshine boys
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 3550 @ 0.00051 = 1.8105 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: asciilifeform: did you go on a kicking spreee
decimation: nearly all of them were on irccloud.com actually
decimation: I wonder if that's where our lurkers come from