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BingoBoingo: Image the Hard drives, wipe all the everything
trinque: oh of course
trinque: I've got a 2tb I can dd all the drives to
decimation: heh I forgot that paragraph from yarvin: "
decimation: The basic problem is that the robber-barons of Silicon Valley, unlike their Victorian forebears, do not realize that, if they want all this science, they will actually have to pay for it - themselves. Instead, they look at their tax forms and think: I gave at the office."
decimation: "But they didn't. They gave to scientocracy. Now, they need to figure out how to patronize science - or there will be no science. Just scientific Bondo, sanded to perfection and painted with meticulous care."
trinque: not bad
trinque: and yet, yachts, hookers and blow have already been invented
asciilifeform: mr mold at his best
trinque: another website I've snapped up in entirety
ag3nt_zer0: danielpbarron: is that your booklist? I would be happy to see your list, the ones that cater to or inform your self-identification as a religious thinker, if you ever have the inclination to share...
danielpbarron: ag3nt_zer0, that's a simple list: The Bible.
pete_dushenski: shanghai composite was on track for another losing day and now it's, well, FLATLINED
pete_dushenski: http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/SHCOMP:IND
assbot: SHCOMP Quote - Shanghai Stock Exchange Composite Index - Bloomberg Markets ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1j49X )
pete_dushenski: guessing the federalis stepped in again to make sure that 'confidence is restored' or some such
pete_dushenski: pretty lulzy way to operate a 'market' but hey, you don't mess with the emperor over there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63279 @ 0.00054694 = 34.6098 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: reminiscent of the cn reply to wester whiners re: 'tiananmen incident.' which was 'over here, we don't have total control like you, public opinion matters, ergo seditionists not tolerated. and we don't stock riot gear either, we're a poor country. they knew they signed up to crunch under tanks'
pete_dushenski: lol
mthreat: !s wtf
assbot: 2267 results for 'wtf' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wtf
pete_dushenski: on the canadian side of the world of skewed incentives, this waterloo police officer plead guilty for breach of trust and was paid $350k over the next 3 years to golf and suntan.
mthreat: search is back up. I'll be moving it to another server soon.
pete_dushenski: then he had the audacity to brag about it http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/dream-come-true-ex-waterloo-region-police-officer-mockingly-thanks-them-for-paid-suspension
assbot: ‘Dream come true': Ex-Waterloo Regional Police officer mockingly thanks force for paid suspension | National Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1jEUY )
pete_dushenski: mthreat: huzzah !
pete_dushenski: !rated mthreat
assbot: You rated user mthreat on 27-Jun-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: maker of supremely useful #bitcoin-assets search.
ag3nt_zer0: http://www.vox.com/2014/6/3/5775918/25-years-after-tiananmen-most-chinese-univeristy-students-have-never
assbot: 25 years after Tiananmen, most Chinese university students have never heard of it - Vox ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1jLQu )
asciilifeform: of 'it' or the western lies ?
pete_dushenski: have most american students ?
pete_dushenski: i sorta doubt that many 18-20 year olds today are up on chinese 'democratic' history from before they were born
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: can you enlighten me re: 'actual account' ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i believe it is in the logz
asciilifeform: mthreat fixed search - spiffy
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-12-2014#945925
assbot: Logged on 05-12-2014 05:09:14; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: are you familiar with china's reply to 'why did you roll up the (tiananmen) students (molotov-armed, by some reliable accounts - also with grenades) with tanks ?'
asciilifeform: possibly others
ag3nt_zer0: fair enough, maybe I am a gland junkie but I still find some of this stuff mildly shocking
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2014#461122 << esp. that one
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2014 19:43:12; asciilifeform: btw the chinese have scholars, of 'soviet collapse studies,' and some of their output is rather interesting and educational
ag3nt_zer0: yeah the accounts by the reporters in the hotel of the sounds of the bones and skulls being crushed kind of got my endocrines goin
pete_dushenski: ah excellent
pete_dushenski: that it's already in the logs... i dun really give a shit about ag3nt_zer0's hormones !
asciilifeform: u.s. dept of state & cia tried to turn cn into 1990s ru. failed.
ag3nt_zer0: forgot the documentary but it was about the guy who shot the tank man video... and how that video barely made it out
asciilifeform: have been pissing and moaning about it through their maxint mouthpiece orchestra ever since.
pete_dushenski: the one that got away (tm)
ag3nt_zer0: with a mild speculative inference that it was instrumental in inspiring the geramns to topple the wall
ag3nt_zer0: and what if it hadnt gotten out?
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: when you build mental world out of usg's 'legos', don't be surprised if you find yourself reaching their 'recommended' conclusions.
ag3nt_zer0: what conclusion?
asciilifeform: any number of'em
pete_dushenski: http://news.domain.com.au/domain/real-estate-news/china-doubles-down-on-australian-real-estate-20150715-gicgju.html << don't imagine this'll cheer up cazalla but i might be wrong.
assbot: China doubles down on Australian real estate ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1kKjI )
asciilifeform: like any industrial-strength chumpamatic, usg-history typically leads you to 'conclude'... the very premises of the syllogism behind the conclusions.
asciilifeform: as in the 'berlin wall' example above.
pete_dushenski: cazalla: if it makes you feel better, it's the same story in vancouver.
ag3nt_zer0: yeah I hear you. ftr I didn't mean to imply that I concluded anything...
pete_dushenski: not that i really give a shit about vancouver, mind you, but it's sorta kinda not really in my backyard atm.
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: examine the premises. for instance, ever wonder why the obsession with berlin wall ?
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: I am guessing not in the way that you might be about to tell me?
asciilifeform: i'm about to go to sleep, actually
ag3nt_zer0: hehe
asciilifeform: but trying to encourage folks to think.
ag3nt_zer0: no I appreciate it!
ag3nt_zer0: I am interested
ag3nt_zer0: maybe can tell me later
pete_dushenski: http://www.sse.com.cn/ << bwahaha the bleeding idiots have green-coloured losses and red-coloured gains on their stock ticker !
ag3nt_zer0: danielpbarron: thx again
asciilifeform: what next, complain about the blue traffic lights in japan ?
pete_dushenski: "hey u guise, i have a capital idea ! mebbe no one will notice that we've inflated trillion of worthless rmb into our 'markets' if we change the colours of the stop lights at the intersection !"
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: bah, get out. there's a recipe for stock market accounting and sse is playing games.
pete_dushenski: or mebbe i'm a johnny come lately cynic. also possibru.
asciilifeform: i actually have no idea what their colours were prior.
pete_dushenski: is it some kind of fucking mid-day national holiday in shanghai ?
pete_dushenski: http://money.cnn.com/data/world_markets/se_composite/ << another dead price feed.
assbot: SHCOMP - Shanghai SE Composite Index - CNNMoney.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5pYcp )
pete_dushenski: and i can't seem to source an explanation for the bloody thing
pete_dushenski: "Roman Dahl ‏@dahlroman 2m2 minutes ago #Chinese GDP beats the estm. 7% Y/Y vs 6.8%; Shanghai -2.17%; 24% of firms in trading halt."
pete_dushenski: another halt. so that's two in the past 5 trading sessions then ?
pete_dushenski: "nothing to see here, folks, just business as usual."
pete_dushenski: fuck, no wonder even 'foxconn' is getting the hell outta dodge and moving 1 mn workers to india
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193376 << see also.
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 17:08:58; mircea_popescu: mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1"
pete_dushenski: of course, the ever-convenient nyse 'glitch'
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: notice the basic dynamic, of 'indias' being a non-renewable resource.
pete_dushenski: "A flight attendant testified Lander and Jason George Chase, a co-accused, used a coat to cover their laps to fondle each other." << on air canada flight. both 'criminals' now under house arrest and/or probation.
asciilifeform: there is a common misconception that collapse followed by sufficiently-many generations of starvation and abject degradation can 'reset' and get you a new 'india' in place of a worn-out, 'consumerized' husk
asciilifeform: this is not actually true.
asciilifeform: you are far more likely to get a new afghanistan.
asciilifeform: (notice that no one is building factories there)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 'likely' being based on the peoples and their geography
asciilifeform: 'indias' are produces by a uniquely 20th c. process of industrially-powered overpopulation
pete_dushenski: let europeans starve and they'll reset alright
asciilifeform: they'll reset to pashtun mode
asciilifeform: go, exploit'em
pete_dushenski: i'm... busy.
asciilifeform: to round this off, in as far as i understand, india is the last remaining 'india'.
asciilifeform: (of those usable, at any rate.)
pete_dushenski: well to be fair to afghanistan, it's producing heroin like never before
pete_dushenski: gotta use what's available, not just whatever you'd like
danielpbarron: asciilifeform> i actually have no idea what their colours were prior. << someone archived it -- was red in 2012 https://archive.is/iLdQ
assbot: 上海证券交易所 ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5qVl1 )
asciilifeform: agrarian system
asciilifeform: you don't need an 'india' to grow shit.
pete_dushenski: so mebbe factories are better in india and china, and poppy plantations are better in afghanistan, and wheat fields in ukraine
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the 'factories better' thing is the specific item i meant by 'an india'
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: o hey, nice work. sorry sse !
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724474 << see also.
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2014 03:28:22; asciilifeform: because american factory gurlz want toilet breaks, health care!, etc
asciilifeform: scroll up in thread.
asciilifeform: specifically, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724465 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724467
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2014 03:26:01; asciilifeform: japan jumped the gap - why? because they had the 'natural resource'
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2014 03:26:18; asciilifeform: - that being, six generations of people willing to work into the grave for a cup of rice
pete_dushenski: indonesia'd seem to be another by this definition
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57550 @ 0.0005461 = 31.4281 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: 255 mn people. ready water access for transport.
pete_dushenski: https://www.google.ca/finance?q=SHA%3A000001&ei=4eKlVbnyNcmpmAGzyoXICw << aha ! magicked back into existence... and down a quick 1% for a total of -3.65% on the day.
assbot: SSE Composite Index: SHA:000001 quotes & news – Google Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5rATA )
pete_dushenski: way to go regulators !
mircea_popescu: !up welshjf
welshjf: howdy mircea_popescu, just lurking :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89200 @ 0.00053906 = 48.0842 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: <phf> ben_vulpes: eventually, aha. i'm not even sure yet that i can repeat the process. for example part of build process is a script that chooses between gcc-4.6 and clang based on whether it's .c or .mm. the fact that the result links i think is a miracle << bwahahahahahaha
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ag3nt_zer0: splendid, went to a kind of groceries shop where pr0l3z are not permitted (costs a hundy/yr to enter) << the things you find entertaining, i swear
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> no photo card - no enter. << that this is enforced at yours is very indicative of the differences between our corners of usistan
ben_vulpes: * danielpbarron prefers to use cash whereever possible so as to give merchant the option of keeping it "under the table" << where i come we call this the "cascadian discount"
ben_vulpes: come from*
ben_vulpes: pay in cash for a 15% discount. half of the savings from not paying the tax man to the person paying, half to the merchant.
ben_vulpes: why anyone would pay cash without this arrangement boggles.
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> In other news, apparently parts of the US can make actual cheese << what hellhole do you live in that doesn't have fresh cheese maiden made at every monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday and sunday farmer's market?
ben_vulpes: in other news, my bloodily hacked together stator has achieved block 331707
mircea_popescu: wd!
mircea_popescu: hello welshjf
ben_vulpes: lol nothing to it beyond applying patches
ben_vulpes: the most marvelous achievement of mine is the time allocated to reading patches
ben_vulpes: and yes asciilifeform - i do
ben_vulpes: religiously.
ben_vulpes: my one sacrament.
ben_vulpes: <trinque> another website I've snapped up in entirety << have you pared it down to just text yet?
mircea_popescu: sign em too then
trinque: no, probably trivial with w3m or something
ben_vulpes: oh twisting my arm too eh?
ben_vulpes will
ben_vulpes: i have a whole weekend of plane flights and insane fambly ahead
ben_vulpes: best thing to possibly have on the screen are gpg-grams and cpp
ben_vulpes: although i'm going to miss my new ergonomic keyboard
ben_vulpes: the rsi is setting in
ben_vulpes: it set in on a particularly long bike ride on a particularly shitty bike
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97450 @ 0.00054982 = 53.58 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: after which i mused to myself about vibrating handles and mircea_popescu's computer use wisdom
ben_vulpes: how boss do you battle the rsi?
ben_vulpes: <mthreat> !s wtf << ty!
trinque: ^ which causes me to notice...
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> "A flight attendant testified Lander and Jason George Chase, a co-accused, used a coat to cover their laps to fondle each other." << on air canada flight. both 'criminals' now under house arrest and/or probation. << i can't figure for whom this is a problem
ben_vulpes: ohai deedbot-
trinque: getting pretty unimpressed with tenyks.
ben_vulpes: rewritten in cl yet trinque?
trinque: nope, not yet
ben_vulpes: i for one have fondled and been fondled on many a flight with zero harrasment from either other passengers or flight staff
ben_vulpes: perhaps i do not intend to 'own the space' as mircea_popescu describes the act
ben_vulpes: couldn't tell ya
ben_vulpes: the funny thing about my stator is that i have a binary called bitcoind-7-11-patched-with-dumpblock
ben_vulpes: that was not patched with dumpblock
trinque: heh, I did the same on a school trip's flight back from colorado
ben_vulpes: herpa derpa doo
trinque: with a chick I hooked up with on the trip
trinque: come and get me, canada
ben_vulpes: come at me fascists
ben_vulpes: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-14/banks-forgot-who-was-supposed-to-own-dell-shares
assbot: Banks Forgot Who Was Supposed to Own Dell Shares - Bloomberg View ... ( http://bit.ly/1M517Hn )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28363 @ 0.00054828 = 15.5509 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.0005537 = 16.3342 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53488 @ 0.0005537 = 29.6163 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00055477 = 22.0798 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: hey trinque
ben_vulpes: have some braindamage: https://github.com/mck-/heroku-cl-example/blob/master/src/util/model-utils.lisp
assbot: heroku-cl-example/model-utils.lisp at master · mck-/heroku-cl-example · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Smp64x )
trinque: looks like cldjango to me
ben_vulpes: lisprails, but yeah
trinque: so far I tend to think the object system is for UI doodads, not for the data model
ben_vulpes: but imagine if you were actually into self-serializing data structures you could hang all sorts of useful stuff off of CLOS classes that did db queries transparently
ben_vulpes: (and oop)
trinque: I tend to think Table is an object, not Customer
trinque: otherwise you have two ever-diverging data models to constantly sync up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81100 @ 0.00055522 = 45.0283 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: or you only use the features in the "upper" model
trinque: I still don't see how I'd use CLOS like I use view composition in the db
ben_vulpes: want to hear a dirty secret?
trinque: sure
ben_vulpes: our lispy crud stuff doesn't even formalize 'models'
ben_vulpes: we just have a bunch of functions called reset-password, set-user-whatever, update-user-whatever
trinque: I think that's the right way.
ben_vulpes: that poke mother pg in all of the right spots
trinque: 100% right
ben_vulpes: the weakness is that we don't use database constraints, which is where the oop model shines a bit
ben_vulpes: (in comparison at least)
ben_vulpes: we just kinda hand-wave and say "yeah man there are users, and this is how we diddle them in the database in this particular way"
trinque: can always throw an error if a particular slot is initialized to nil
trinque: in clos
ben_vulpes: sure
ben_vulpes: i guess this is the "small teams and discipline" approach
ben_vulpes: db constraints seem like a decent step.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21013 @ 0.00055579 = 11.6788 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: but on the flipside, another deploy target
trinque: in particular what I like about the approach of just editing the db is it doesn't try to say this is a "customer" action or an "order" or so on
trinque: bolting the behavior to anything other than a symbol is retarded
trinque: if you wanna mention "customer" in the name of the function, great
trinque: hm from a perspective that is advocating a lack of constraints
trinque: on that subj
trinque: as for db constraints, they can at least help when some logic is easier expressed if it is assumed that the data model has some expected structure
trinque: rather than having if statements handling the lack of that part of the data model in code
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14822 @ 0.00055477 = 8.2228 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: this problem sucks
ben_vulpes: fuck the web
trinque: ayep
ben_vulpes: would you fix this, please?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84000 @ 0.00055625 = 46.725 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: I wanna build a bastard lisp for the webasm thing
ben_vulpes: minimal browserlisp
ben_vulpes: let's go
trinque: and just fart graphics onto a canvas or webgl
trinque: and fuck the dom
ben_vulpes: p-please
ben_vulpes: don't get my hopes up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10219 @ 0.00055554 = 5.6771 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113129 @ 0.00054828 = 62.0264 BTC [-]
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202061 <<< vancouver may as well be on another planet for all i care tbh but point taken all the same
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 04:58:07; pete_dushenski: cazalla: if it makes you feel better, it's the same story in vancouver.
cazalla: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
mircea_popescu: sigh
chetty: just think how great the net would be if all of a sudden all the ddos stopped, wonder what % of net traffic is that?
mircea_popescu: i got a better idea.
mircea_popescu: suppose all the idiots running stupid shit, random nat routers, bad wp installs, etc, got forbidden from the net.
mircea_popescu: take aol back. we don't want it, we never wanted it, fuck the fucking open-to-idiots internet.
mircea_popescu: the bovine sort of "people" libertardism/welfarism produces have really no place. not on the net, not under the sun, not anywhere. drop dead and spare the earth spurious shadows.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes rsi ?
ben_vulpes: "i have been typing a lot and my hand hurts"
dignork: mircea_popescu: it sounds almost possible – claim damages against each of DDOS participants, 0.5 btc each for example. But these claims cannot be enforced.
ben_vulpes: i would like to know how mircea_popescu operates the computer machine healthily if he does not suffer from this affliction, or fear it
mircea_popescu: eh, just put things on gossipd and never invite them.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i just use a desktop.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00055591 = 27.7955 BTC [+]
cazalla: we have another name for rsi down under.. wankers cramp
mircea_popescu: heh
trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1107387
assbot: Logged on 22-04-2015 22:11:24; artifexd: Bottom line, I expect to have something to share for testing in 4 weeks.
trinque: artifexd: any progress? eagerly awaited
trinque: much better platform than this webapp bullshit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15522 @ 0.00055591 = 8.6288 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49350 @ 0.0005506 = 27.1721 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66935 @ 0.00054422 = 36.4274 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103400 @ 0.00053641 = 55.4648 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: ben_vulpes: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-14/banks-forgot-who-was-supposed-to-own-dell-shares << crazy
assbot: Banks Forgot Who Was Supposed to Own Dell Shares - Bloomberg View ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1TpSf )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59312 @ 0.00053821 = 31.9223 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42903 @ 0.00054397 = 23.3379 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118900 @ 0.00054519 = 64.8231 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92006 @ 0.00055328 = 50.9051 BTC [+]
shinohai: @ shesek: http://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/50272987.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TC77tl )
dignork: Genius - https://github.com/tessalt/echo-chamber-js
assbot: tessalt/echo-chamber-js · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2E6TM )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.0005464 = 16.7472 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159100 @ 0.00053865 = 85.6992 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51759 @ 0.00053467 = 27.674 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71250 @ 0.00054857 = 39.0856 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39521 @ 0.00055402 = 21.8954 BTC [+] {3}
scoopbot_revived: Continued DDoS Attack Against Qntra http://qntra.net/2015/07/continued-ddos-attack-against-qntra/
mircea_popescu: !up thomas
fluffypony: oh wow, we're graced by a Freenode staff member
fluffypony: maybe we'll all get vanity cloaks :)
mircea_popescu: !up execut3
mircea_popescu: !up dooglus
mircea_popescu: pretty sure i saw the guy before.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72229 @ 0.00055657 = 40.2005 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/block/0000000000000000022149d63270ab40d6eb8b1575f14151a1acdee6a22dad83 << so is this actually a nonstandard block ?
mircea_popescu: full of crap like https://blockchain.info/tx/48d38617f4953225279d0a41f0d3e3ceaef7667d834a4b0e46810e7d679e4dd8
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 48d38617f4953225279d0a41f0d3e3ceaef7667d834a4b0e46810e7d679e4dd8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1OcZfvb )
mircea_popescu: 4574 of that crap, in a 4797 total txn block (avg is about 500-1k these days)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00054514 = 9.4309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00054119 = 23.8665 BTC [-]
cazalla: more drama https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3dautm/content_policy_update_ama_thursday_july_16th_1pm/ct3n7hc
assbot: yishan comments on Content Policy update. AMA Thursday, July 16th, 1pm pst. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Od1ezL )
Naphex: cazalla: reddit has been hit hard by the eternal september. you gotta be brain dead to even lurk around nowadays
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00054119 = 4.3295 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: cazalla steering towards wall confirmed.
mircea_popescu: glhf as they say.
Naphex: http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/TheSeptemberThatNeverEnded
assbot: Meatball Wiki: TheSeptemberThatNeverEnded ... ( http://bit.ly/1Od1HBT )
mircea_popescu: "But... the most delicious part of this is that on at least two separate occasions, the board pressed /u/ekjp to outright ban ALL the hate subreddits in a sweeping purge. She resisted, knowing the community, claiming it would be a shitshow. Ellen isn't some "evil, manipulative, out-of-touch incompetent she-devil" as was often depicted. She was approved by the board and recommended by me because when I left, she was the
mircea_popescu: only technology executive anywhere who had the chops and experience to manage a startup of this size, AND who understood what reddit was all about. "
mircea_popescu: chops ? expertise ? start-up ?!
mircea_popescu: pass the pipe brothar.
mircea_popescu: she's a fucktard, she has exactly no expertise or chops, and decade old failures are start-ups just like fifty year old starlets.
mircea_popescu: in any case, it's refreshing to see the new/old tarddit ceo is just as unreadable / mentally disorganised / clueless as the average poster there.
Naphex: how long can you be called a startup anyway? reddit is like 10 years old or what o.O;
mircea_popescu: well in lalaland words don't necessarily mean anything. especially if they sound good.
mircea_popescu: (where sound good = "i've heard it a lot, and the context seemed to me positive")
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102247 @ 0.00053328 = 54.5263 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: anyway, how's the cunt biz, Naphex ?
Naphex: mircea_popescu: decent. trafic slowed down a bit.
Naphex: working on getting more girls and studios on board, while trying to avoid all the chicken and eggs
mircea_popescu: hehe.
mircea_popescu: if you ever decide for a big move, i wanna hear all about how it went.
Naphex: trafic slowing down and hard as hell to sync the girls with the customers but happens on the rare ocasions
mircea_popescu: i'm currently very meh on the entire "advertising" bs.
mircea_popescu: "i know half my advertising money is wasted, and i can tell you exactly which half : both of them!"
Naphex: advertising doesn't work at all atm
cazalla: Naphex, how do you compete with something like mfc and livejasmin?
Naphex: every try failed, hard so its all organic trafic
Naphex: cazalla: easy. fast setup, fast payouts and none of the stupid shitty rules.
Naphex: i'll be launching a refferal program for xotika.tv later this week. hopefully it will help with the activit
Naphex: activity*
Naphex: thinking 5...10% of the mbtc tips routed to the referral
cazalla: can't imagine how i'd market it seeing i jump straight to mfc and don't bother googling .. perhaps keywords related to the country the girl is from might work "korean cam girl" type phrases
fluffypony: cazalla: yeah, I'd also guess that long-tail keywords are good in that space
cazalla: fluffypony, yeah i'd target that and if Naphex is offering 5-10% of the the tips as referall payments, pay those you sign up 1/3 to 1/2 of that to sweeten it and incentivise em to use your links (i wonder how this would work with coinbase $25 sign up.. offer em $10 additional bonus)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36714 @ 0.00055706 = 20.4519 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5936 @ 0.00055928 = 3.3199 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: coinbase will prolly shot you
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, if you wish to try for it : buysellads takes btc and handles coinbase. they do a patently insane .1 btc CPM so i really don't advise it.
cazalla: not too keen, can't imagine the demand for new coinbase accounts is that great unless they're coming from stolen ids and shit
shinohai: coinbase will pay u up to $20 for a legit new account. whiz bang!
cazalla: $25 i thought.. but really, that method isn't much different from roger ver's idea to set up a table in starbucks and sell starbuck vouchers via that bitcoin site wahtever the fuck it is called, forget
nubbins`: gryft or smth
cazalla: e-grifter
nubbins`: starbucks would 100% kick you out
nubbins`: you're not even allowed to take photographs inside one
Naphex: cazalla YOU MARKET TO BITCOINERS
Naphex: sorry caps
nubbins`: for alf: http://antilop.cc/sr/files/Silk_Road_JTAN_com_Search_Warrant.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtOovT )
nubbins`: "The substances purchased have been various Schedule I and II drugs, including ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, LSD, and others. As of April 2013, at least 56 samples of these purchases have been laboratory-tested, and, of these, 54 have shown high purity levels of the drug the item was advertised to be on Silk Road. "
shinohai: There was a guy caught filming women whizzing in the bathroom at a starbucks near me.
cazalla: shinohai, they made that illegal here even if done in public
cazalla: that sparked some reading into the issue where i learned some dudes are so keen on this and they have shoe spy cams
shinohai: yeah they charged this guy with cp distribution because his sdcard contained childreen
cazalla: Naphex, tough sell to market to bitcoiners though.. i don't know what the numbers for mfc are like but i don't imagine more than 5% of visitors actually buy coins to tip the ladies with.. fewer people have bitcoins and i'd bet a smaller percent would be willing to part with em for cam girls, at least at this point in time
mircea_popescu: i dunno bout' that.
Naphex: cazalla: they actually do convert
cazalla: mircea_popescu, any idea what a site like mfc converts at?
mircea_popescu: i've been out too long, nfi anymore.
mircea_popescu: when they first came out they were actually doing pretty good
mircea_popescu: for a brief year or two it actually looked like they may save pron from the tubedeath.
mircea_popescu: didn't really work out tho afaik.
cazalla: there are so many girls on mfc giving it up for free too
mircea_popescu: problem with this as anything else - no pros.
Naphex: Amt: 9.69881492 btcdrak AFKey: directCount:14277 <- xotika stats, first month
Naphex: so its actually pretty good
mircea_popescu: Naphex you know eulora made just about half that ? :D
Naphex: the count is the # of unique sessions, viewed stream
Naphex: :D
cazalla: i wonder if a clips4sale.com bitcoin clone might do ok
mircea_popescu dreams of a future where xotika-eulora have integration and people can go wank in a mmorpg
cazalla: those type of sites seem popular
Naphex: xD
Naphex: my biggest problem atm is getting rid of the damn blockings. Performers will come check the site for visitors before streaaming
Naphex: viewers check for online channels
Naphex: and nobody does a thing lol
mircea_popescu: heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00055871 = 28.997 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42064 @ 0.00055929 = 23.526 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202343 << this contemptible bit of usgism suggests that one ought to use modern crypto in the camera. that would make it quite impossible for the enemy to determine that it had taken a photo of anyone in particular - or for that matter how many; or for it to disgorge any bits whatsoever to an enemy probe.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 13:00:52; shinohai: yeah they charged this guy with cp distribution because his sdcard contained childreen
asciilifeform: this is not hard.
shinohai: twas icrap iirc
asciilifeform: live by the shitputer, die by the shitputer
mircea_popescu: so then they can convict him for using a terrorist device in furterance of a terrorist plot.
mircea_popescu: hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: there exist no technical solutions to political problems.
asciilifeform: well naturally.
mircea_popescu: the solution to political problems is, was always and will forever remain, the beheading of the individuals causing it.
asciilifeform: but i'd rather hang for 'infernal device' than 'idiot perv'
asciilifeform: aesthetic matter.
mircea_popescu: yes but this is a purely aesthetic option on your part
mircea_popescu: like some women would rather go around nude in high heels.
asciilifeform: the other thing i never understood is why they have to physically retrieve the cam
asciilifeform: owner really ought to stroll by with a radio gizmo, no ?
asciilifeform: this is what, 1970s state of the art among pro operatives
nubbins`: tradecraft sorta died out
nubbins`: only so much you can learn from a manual
asciilifeform: http://rt.com/usa/273436-jade-helm-drill-explained << in other lulz !
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxkKlO )
asciilifeform: ^ usg training drills for cw2
asciilifeform: 'Former marine Pete Lanteri has formed 'Counter Jade Helm', a volunteer group that will monitor the soldiers as they operate in Texas, with similar organizations springing up in other states involved in the war games.'
asciilifeform: 'Texas Republican Governor Greg Abbott has charged the Texas State Guard, a traditional militia that numbers 1,900 and cannot be recruited into the federal army at times of war, with observing the actions of the special forces units.'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202285 << this is the bomb. it is intended to be set off by phoundation client decoding the 'undecodable', perma-forking the net.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 11:39:46; mircea_popescu: 4574 of that crap, in a 4797 total txn block (avg is about 500-1k these days)
asciilifeform: axe-time, sword-time.
mircea_popescu: mmm
mircea_popescu: possibru.
mircea_popescu: except those look empty.
asciilifeform: didja hand-decode'em ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not sure ;/
asciilifeform: anybody got a raw bitwise dump of that block handy ?
mircea_popescu: my nodes won't currently eat it.
scoopbot_revived: Good Morning ISIS. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/15/good-morning-isis/
mircea_popescu: yet strator does.
asciilifeform has spoken before re: the need for actual debug visibility into known tx on a node
asciilifeform: i would dearly like to know what it thinks it has eaten.
mircea_popescu: your own node is past 364671 is it not ?
asciilifeform: long past.
asciilifeform: s.nsa node has been fully synced in real time since the clock thing
mircea_popescu: so you can spit it out
asciilifeform: 365435 at this moment
mircea_popescu: tell me if they're empty too.
asciilifeform: it is running plain 'stator' without the shitter/eater at present
asciilifeform: (i will be updating it some time this week)
mircea_popescu: ah. k.
asciilifeform: 50 connections presently.
nubbins`: i gotta get on that
nubbins`: so little time tho
thestringpuller: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also why is my reverse dns 'archive.today'
mircea_popescu: huh ?
asciilifeform: s.nsa box
mircea_popescu: i've not touched it.
asciilifeform: oh it was like this from day1
mircea_popescu has no idea.
asciilifeform: i think the keeper never reset the reverse dns
nubbins`: heh
asciilifeform: might like to politely ask him.
mircea_popescu: you set up that thing iirc.
asciilifeform: i have no access to this
asciilifeform: it isn't on the box proper.
mircea_popescu: dns zone ? it's on the machine no ?
mircea_popescu: what ns it uses ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73419 @ 0.00055935 = 41.0669 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform digs
mircea_popescu: dns1-5.registrar-servers.com looks like the registrar maintains your ns.
asciilifeform may have fixed, but is loathe to restart the box and lose a week+ of phuctor
mircea_popescu: does reverse dns make a diff to you anwyay ?
asciilifeform: not a titanic difference
mircea_popescu: so it'll kick in next it reboots.
asciilifeform: but places like the 'bitnodes' phonebook etc are showing 'archive.today' which is mildly confusing
mircea_popescu: pray for rain
asciilifeform: l0l aha.
asciilifeform is marvelling at the sheer winblowzistic retardation of having to restart anything to change a simple knob
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/
assbot: Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn3Zix )
mircea_popescu: ahh, the perfume of antiques.
nubbins`: like having to let the stove cool down before switching pots
asciilifeform: btw this is a glibcism!
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this is rather more like having to demolish and rebuild your kitchen when switching pots.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52769 @ 0.00056314 = 29.7163 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: cut the breaker at the box, let the iron cool
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202337
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 12:57:08; nubbins`: for alf: http://antilop.cc/sr/files/Silk_Road_JTAN_com_Search_Warrant.pdf
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202339
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 12:57:37; nubbins`: "The substances purchased have been various Schedule I and II drugs, including ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, LSD, and others. As of April 2013, at least 56 samples of these purchases have been laboratory-tested, and, of these, 54 have shown high purity levels of the drug the item was advertised to be on Silk Road. "
nubbins`: of course, past performance is not an indicator of &c &c
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/c766d065a39cb0232f82030f79f3e8bf/tumblr_n7o3uw4HGH1tf0vpqo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7rNIa )
nubbins`: ehh
nubbins`: this kicked up a bit of a stink here yesterday:
nubbins`: http://www.thetelegram.com/Opinion/Letter-to-the-editor/2015-07-11/article-4208931/City-invades-private-homes/1
assbot: City invades private homes - Letter to the editor - The Telegram ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7rZqG )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202458 << usg sop. consider, if they did not proclaim to have found 'quality dope', might have to let him go
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 14:29:58; assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 12:57:37; nubbins`: "The substances purchased have been various Schedule I and II drugs, including ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, LSD, and others. As of April 2013, at least 56 samples of these purchases have been laboratory-tested, and, of these, 54 have shown high purity levels of the drug the item was advertised to be on Silk Road. "
scoopbot_revived: Eulora Sunday Event - July the 19th http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-sunday-event-july-the-19th/
asciilifeform: nubbins`: afaik house-to-house searches are perfectly legal in ca ?
nubbins`: asciilifeform iirc, a kg of brown substance that's 5% hashish and 95% chocolate is considered a kg of hash
asciilifeform: nubbins`: aha. this is especially lulzy re: lsd
nubbins`: 8)
nubbins`: .005% active ingredient
nubbins`: asciilifeform this was a city assessor demanding entry under threat of fines
nubbins`: council decided they'd better clear the air today:
nubbins`: http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Local/2015-07-14/article-4214517/Residents-don%26rsquo%3Bt-have-to-allow-assessors-in%2C-says-councillor/1
assbot: Residents don’t have to allow assessors in, says councillor - Local - The Telegram ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn4Pfh )
nubbins`: “If you refuse them entry into the home, that’s fine. The assessor won’t go any further with that. The assessment work is then done from outside the home.”
nubbins`: lel
asciilifeform: nubbins`: btw this is sop for rented dwellings in usa
asciilifeform: i actually had an assessor visit a month or so ago
nubbins`: apparently sop here too
asciilifeform: took photos, too. every room
asciilifeform: 100% in the contract.
nubbins`: council clarified they're specifically not "inspecting" or looking for code violations
nubbins`: just extra apartments, additions, etc that'd impact prop tax
nubbins`: asciilifeform landlords have the right to inspect property here with 24h notice
asciilifeform: aha
nubbins`: somewhat related, we've decided to keep the second house for another 5
nubbins`: i am two mortgages, hear me roar
asciilifeform: and over here, it even includes photos. for sale ad, or 'refinance', etc
asciilifeform: don't leave the seekrit documentz out.
asciilifeform: (if strangers ~don't~ ever invade your house, but the latter has... windows - same applies)
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the "laboratory testing" where some woman in mass was found to have out and out lied over thousands of cases, resulting in a bazillion overturn or retried cases ?
asciilifeform: aha
nubbins`: somewhat related, the interest rates on mortgages are INSANE right now
mircea_popescu: DID THEY CHECK EVERY OTHER SINGLE LAB ACROSS THE US ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not afaik. why would they.
nubbins`: they wouldn't because then there would be no labs left
asciilifeform: not like they ~want~ to find more of this.
mircea_popescu: so... yeah. it's probably rampant, half the labs just fgind what the da says and the rest have no clue what year it is.
nubbins`: i think we renewed at smth like 2.5%?
mircea_popescu: anything over 0.3 or so is a joek.
nubbins`: hey, 's life
nubbins`: mine from ~4 years ago is around 3.6%
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/c54dae92e84d836c68e2a667f7d45dba/tumblr_n15ldcHA9o1rtx81jo1_1280.jpg << guard room to the slavecoin mining facility.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn5IEv )
nubbins`: thought about selling the second home
nubbins`: decided we probably would not be in a position to repurchase a second home in the future, should we so desire
nubbins`: & so
gribble: Error: "so" is not a valid command.
nubbins`: ...
asciilifeform repurchases shirt on his back
asciilifeform refinances 2nd shirt
mircea_popescu: see, if you didn't do enough drugs in your youth ? nubbins` got you licked.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=/Marilyn:0.9.99 << anyone know ?
assbot: Snapshot of reachable nodes in the Bitcoin network - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7u06b )
asciilifeform: could easily be a 'second us'
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thisisthat/texas-sugar-water-bring-your-kids-to-work-day-newfoundland-apology-no-gambling-casino-1.2843567/texas-town-adds-sugar-to-water-supply-to-encourage-residents-to-drink-more-water-1.2843568?segtest=1
assbot: Texas town adds sugar to water supply to encourage residents to drink more water - Home | This is That with Pat Kelly and Peter Oldring | CBC Radio ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7u3Pv )
nubbins`: i read this with wide-eyed amazement until they said 4 tbsp of sugar per 8oz water
nubbins`: then was mildly annoyed at myself
asciilifeform: 'the onion' ?
nubbins`: cbc equiv
nubbins`: "we don't just talk about the issues, we fabricate them"
nubbins`: asciilifeform refinancing anything isn't in the books
nubbins`: it would be fairly difficult to lose money on this
nubbins`: in fact, due to accelerated payments, the house could lose 40% of its value over the next 5 years and we could still sell it for a profit
asciilifeform: neat
asciilifeform: i'm not sure even my organs will be sold at a profit.
nubbins`: not by you, anyway!
asciilifeform: https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=/Ender:3.14.15.94
assbot: Snapshot of reachable nodes in the Bitcoin network - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn7iGr )
nubbins`: my biggest worry was some sort of major catastrophe happening and not being able to cover repairs
nubbins`: but i think at this point, everything that could go wrong already has
asciilifeform: nubbins`: they haven't invented insurance yet in ca ?
nubbins`: there's a lotta shit insurance doesn't cover
nubbins`: even if it does cover it, takes weeks/months to settle claim
asciilifeform: so get moar insurance ?
nubbins`: meantime, you've got a hole in the side of your house or a flooded basement or w/e
nubbins`: water damage is specifically excluded from most insurance contracts
nubbins`: anyway, i'm pretty much a home repair expert by now
nubbins`: trial by fire
nubbins`: "yeah, we have rent here for you... and there's a gallon a minute pouring through the first floor ceiling"
mats: 10:40:46 <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform recall the "laboratory testing" where some woman in mass was found to have out and out lied over thousands of cases, resulting in a bazillion overturn or retried cases ? << another chick was found to be doing the same thing in 2014
mats: http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/01/chemist.html
assbot: Northampton chemist Sonja Farak gets 18 months in jail for tampering with drug samples | masslive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn7WUd )
mats: another one in MA, no less
asciilifeform: l0l, that's a woman ?
chetty: https://archive.is/ybntU
assbot: Qntra | Reporting the Intersection of Bitcoin, Technology, and Politics ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn8dGI )
asciilifeform: chetty: qntra loads here
chetty: yeah its good here too, now
asciilifeform: 'By stealing cocaine from the crime lab at the University of Massachusetts, Farak undermined public faith in the criminal justice system and sabotaged drug prosecutions in four western counties, Rup said during a hearing' << l0l!!
asciilifeform: stole, ate ?
asciilifeform: 'For Farak, crack cocaine was not a party drug, but a way of controlling depression, Pourinski said. “It was about coping; it certainly wasn’t about having fun; I don’t think she’s had fun in quite a while,” she added.' << paging tlp!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103200 @ 0.0005587 = 57.6578 BTC [-]
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: WELL IF SHE DIDN'T HAVE FUN
nubbins`: implying that most cocaine users do it for the fun.
nubbins` chuckles
asciilifeform: http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2015/07/crd_metalworks_denied_special.html << from same rag
assbot: Confederate flag-flying CRD Metalworks may move 14 jobs from Williamsburg to Hatfield | masslive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn90aJ )
nubbins`: implying that regular cocaine users don't just use it to cope
nubbins`: etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51489 @ 0.00055838 = 28.7504 BTC [-]
nubbins`: For Farak, crack cocaine was used for the same goddamn reason everyone else uses it, Pourinski didn't but should have said
asciilifeform: '"I was not happy that we had to find this way," said Locke. "CRD employs 10 to 15 people, and they make a good, well-designed product. But we had to follow the rules." Issues around the Confederate battle flag did not enter into the Planning Board's deliberations, said Locke, adding in an email that "this is a very successful business that outgrew its existing location and permitting."'
asciilifeform: can't make this shit up if i tried.
shinohai: https://mail-archive.com/bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org/msg00500.html
assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Significant losses by double-spending unconfirmedtransactions ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn9bD8 )
nubbins`: it outgrew its permits
nubbins`: heh
asciilifeform: ^ zeroconf idiocy, news at 11?
nubbins`: "loltasticly a Mike Hearn Bitcoin XT node was used to relay the double-spends"
asciilifeform: who the fuck uses zeroconf and why.
nubbins`: all the rubes buying coffees?
nubbins`: hm, wonder if there are any plantations accepting btc
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hN89U_XD9E
assbot: Interview With Creepy Hand Model (CBS Interview) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7xdmq )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47721 @ 0.00055717 = 26.5887 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48129 @ 0.00055717 = 26.816 BTC [-]
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/marvel-targets-tiny-town-tilt-cove-for-ant-man-marketing-campaign-1.3152593
assbot: Marvel targets tiny-town Tilt Cove for Ant-Man marketing campaign - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7yI3O )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54808 @ 0.00055571 = 30.4574 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29848 @ 0.00057146 = 17.0569 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62700 @ 0.00054809 = 34.3652 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00057146 = 30.5731 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36252 @ 0.00057146 = 20.7166 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75948 @ 0.00057369 = 43.5706 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105000 @ 0.00055533 = 58.3097 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: http://spacecoastdaily.com/2015/07/blastoff-atlas-v-successfully-launched-from-cape-canaveral-air-force-station/ < usg manages to lauch another gps satellite
assbot: BLASTOFF! Atlas V Successfully Launched From Cape Canaveral Air Force Station | ... ( http://bit.ly/1fJrcQd )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.0005763 = 26.6827 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71715 @ 0.00055341 = 39.6878 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22235 @ 0.00054194 = 12.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.000575 = 10.1775 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00057798 = 13.727 BTC [+] {3}
Adlai: n/bu37
Adlai: oops
chetty: brace yourselves, there is something new under the sun, the price of a pack of smokes went down.
Adlai: duty free?
ben_vulpes: no wai chetty
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: dumpblock killed my stator when i misscalled it
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: say more ?
ben_vulpes: myes, let me dpaste you a thing
ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/31KP5N7
assbot: dpaste: 31KP5N7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1gCjuY7 )
ben_vulpes: you'll want more from debug, so hang plz
ben_vulpes: anowait, the dumpblock rpc is right there
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: paste whole log ?
ascii_field: i'm a bit puzzled what happened between '"blocks" : 331976' and 'SetBestChain: new best=00000000000000000138 height=335023'
ben_vulpes: quite a bit of time went by
ben_vulpes: debug.log is 500M, you want the whole thing?
ascii_field: nah
ascii_field: just between those 2 events
ascii_field: or hell, to the crash point
ascii_field: and see system log for segfault or the like
ascii_field: was there a reorg at that block ?
ascii_field: wonder if that was it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00054442 = 22.2668 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/1DZN9W3 << last 500 lines, lmk if you want more
assbot: dpaste: 1DZN9W3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1gCkyLA )
ascii_field: i see no useful clues therein
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1DGVBQK
assbot: dpaste: 1DGVBQK ... ( http://bit.ly/1gCkGe1 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: try the mistaken param again
ascii_field: notice, no error checking with the filename
ascii_field: if this reliably kills, then blame yourself
ascii_field: take more care with the pistol. don't point at own head
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85558 @ 0.00054442 = 46.5795 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28504 @ 0.00053851 = 15.3497 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/2HZD4WN and http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xbtXn2xM and also http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CUjm6ZsF
assbot: dpaste: 2HZD4WN ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuvHrP )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuvHrZ )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuvJ31 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: and probably many more will come.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-November/006878.html << see also.
assbot: [Bitcoin-development] The difficulty of writing consensus critical code: the SIGHASH_SINGLE bug ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuvTr0 )
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-November/006878.html
assbot: [Bitcoin-development] The difficulty of writing consensus critical code: the SIGHASH_SINGLE bug ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuvXHp )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119600 @ 0.00055304 = 66.1436 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: ascii_field, posts like that make me feel like liquidating
nubbins`: and putting the money in something safe, like penny stocks or mediterranean economies
ascii_field: nubbins`: this is when you ought to envy folks like me, who have nothing
ascii_field: for me, this whole thing is a game.
nubbins`: i envy your workshop(s), which i imagine is/are full of wonder and strange
nubbins`: for me, too, this is a game 8)
nubbins` generally lives life as if 1btc == $0.00
danielpbarron: nubbins`> ascii_field, posts like that make me feel like liquidating << haha i had similar thought
nubbins`: danielpbarron, it seems likely that kludges and bugs will be baked into Bitcoin for eternity
nubbins`: should make for an interesting future
danielpbarron: such is life
nubbins`: harry belafonte should write a song about bitcoin
danielpbarron: i do not worry or envy though -- that there exists bitcoin as it is today and other things that go with it like what's done in here is like a miracle to me
danielpbarron: my expectation for this world is that everything will suck and everyone is stupid
nubbins`: sure
nubbins`: but you do find beautiful flowers in the strangest of places, huh?
ascii_field: holy fuck is the mempool full of boiling liquid shit right now.
ascii_field: 'not enough fees' 100s in a row
danielpbarron: height=365405
danielpbarron: dang i'm more than 50 behind
ascii_field: danielpbarron: where are you syncing from ?
kakobrekla: pogo has trouble keeping up with real-time?
ascii_field: this was a pogo ?
kakobrekla: o was it not?
danielpbarron: yes it is a pogo, and it's not syncing from any particular node
ascii_field: what's in the pogo ?
danielpbarron: 0.5.3.1-beta it says when it starts up
ascii_field: ssd?
ascii_field: and, presumably, configured for swap ?
danielpbarron: yes
danielpbarron: 2 gigs swap on a solid state drive
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: i would not be greatly surprised to learn that it does not keep up
ascii_field: also will not surprise me if that flash disk doesn't last the year
ascii_field: the keep-whole-block-index-in-ram thing is retarded and Must Die (tm)
ascii_field: ditto unlimited mempool
ascii_field: (see yesterday's thread)
ascii_field: the current turd is not 'pogoable' and i'm surprised that danielpbarron bothered to test it there
danielpbarron shrugs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111623 @ 0.00055305 = 61.7331 BTC [+]
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/pub/364671.bin
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JimWOr )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DaJcdsyqQSs/UsiTXNHP-0I/AAAAAAAATC0/kiFRowh-J18/s1600/blockchain.png << see also.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RzIoIo )
mod6: magic number is not 0xD9B4BEF9 in 364671
ascii_field: ??
mod6: !up ascii_field
mod6: is that what you saw in that block too?
mod6: im looking at the block, i don't see the magic number in there.
ascii_field: woah
mod6: http://dpaste.com/2J1JRCR.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JiqujQ )
ascii_field: aha it
mod6: that's the first part of the block...
ascii_field: your copy same as mine, or no ?
mod6: http://dpaste.com/24VDKVN.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JiqIHN )
mod6: maybe i got a bad copy?
ascii_field: same as mine
ascii_field: and now we know how blkcut died
nubbins`: it was pluto's fault
ascii_field: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h#0914 << blocks get written with this header, apparently, but it is never checked
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1RzLOuM )
ascii_field: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=pchMessageStart
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1 identifier search: pchMessageStart ... ( http://bit.ly/1RzLQ62 )
ascii_field: unless i overlooked something
ascii_field: methings some clever fella is trying a frame-shift attack
ascii_field: *thinks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114976 @ 0.00054244 = 62.3676 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11774 @ 0.00053801 = 6.3345 BTC [-]
mod6: anyone see where the code serializes the magic number itself?
ascii_field: linked above
mod6: sorry /me looks again
ascii_field: pchMessageStart
punkman: which version do we target for bug-to-bug compatibility, since 0.5.3 won't do?
ascii_field: 0.5.3
ascii_field: punkman: see also http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000115.html and http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000116.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] bip66 resolution criteria (corrected) ... ( http://bit.ly/1RzN2q1 )
assbot: [BTC-dev] bip66 resolution criteria ... ( http://bit.ly/1RzMZKN )
solrodar: sorry to butt in, but could one of you gentlemen working on this take a few minutes to check my call graph script so I can claim my payment?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79562 @ 0.00055349 = 44.0368 BTC [+] {2}
ascii_field: it'll have to be ben_vulpes or trinque; i don't presently have an install of 'clang'.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29438 @ 0.00055835 = 16.4367 BTC [+]
mod6: same
solrodar: what OSs are you working on?
nubbins`: where's your call graph script
solrodar: http://178.62.64.22/dot-filter.py << instructions at top
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jit4WU )
nubbins`: and then i found myself installing llvm
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127200 @ 0.00055863 = 71.0577 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: ascii_field | it'll have to be ben_vulpes or trinque; i don't presently have an install of 'clang'. << solrodar: maybe later, doing irl work presently
solrodar: trinque: thanks
jurov: http://www.dx.com/p/islamic-muslim-style-home-decoration-removable-pvc-wall-sticker-decal-black-395762 lol anyone?
assbot: Islamic Muslim Style Home Decoration Removable PVC Wall Sticker Decal - Black - Free Shipping - DealExtreme ... ( http://bit.ly/1GmyXjT )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00055606 = 13.0396 BTC [-]
mod6: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151347 @ 0.00055798 = 84.4486 BTC [+] {3}
mats: looks like the Black Standard, jurov
mod6: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38512 @ 0.00056837 = 21.8891 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00056837 = 16.4827 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00057127 = 17.4237 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87791 @ 0.00056837 = 49.8978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98345 @ 0.00053801 = 52.9106 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00053765 = 8.1723 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9835 @ 0.00053423 = 5.2542 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202572 << actually a pretty lulzy damnation of hearn. guy's the swiss cheese of software designers.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 15:03:02; shinohai: https://mail-archive.com/bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org/msg00500.html
pete_dushenski: ascii_field so what's the deal with this 'out of range' signaturehash stuff ?
pete_dushenski: i read the linked articles but they didn't mean much to me.
pete_dushenski: other than the obvious : bitcoin was written by the retarded.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202652 << always with the russian orthodox jew schtick, this guy.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:12:50; ascii_field: nubbins`: this is when you ought to envy folks like me, who have nothing
pete_dushenski: "being a slave is better than you'd think. being a freeman is for delusional suckers !"
pete_dushenski: bah, i dun buy it.
thestringpuller: not everyone can grow a jew fro pete_dushenski
nubbins`: a freeman o.o
pete_dushenski: nubbins` not freemason, now.
nubbins`: i know what you said
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller i bet alf could ;)
pete_dushenski: anyways, bitcoin is bricolage, even if it's 'elemental'
pete_dushenski: nubbins` so why the 'o.o' ?
nubbins`: do you consider yourself a 'freeman'?
pete_dushenski: i would.
pete_dushenski: brb.
nubbins`: the o.o is because being a 'freeman' implies you're a kook, simply by virtue of all the assorted kookiness 'freemen' get into
nubbins`: gibberish documents etc
nubbins`: arcane declarations in courts
ascii_field: phreeman
nubbins`: right?
nubbins`: the word's tainted
nubbins`: it is like alf calling himself a 'maker' because he's creating a pick & place from scratch
nubbins`: and thusly putting himself in the same bin as people making secret knock unlock devices w/ arduinos using prewritten libraries
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202766 << the point i was trying to make is that the one upside of having pretty much no coin is that i can sit and think about the whole shebang going to hell without pissing in pants
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 21:31:15; pete_dushenski: "being a slave is better than you'd think. being a freeman is for delusional suckers !"
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202761 << bitcoind is finally getting the fuzz-testing it ought to have had in 2011.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 21:24:45; pete_dushenski: ascii_field so what's the deal with this 'out of range' signaturehash stuff ?
ascii_field: and the enemy is in 'tilt' and decided to do it publicly
nubbins`: ascii_field it's an upside of not having put money you thought you didn't need but actually sorta do need into bitcoin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 275950 @ 0.00053311 = 147.1117 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41868 @ 0.00053695 = 22.481 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: back
pete_dushenski: aha. see 'freeman' to me is simply free. man.
pete_dushenski: sleep ad libitum equivalent
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202786 << true. you don't have mp's 'problems'
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 21:39:33; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202766 << the point i was trying to make is that the one upside of having pretty much no coin is that i can sit and think about the whole shebang going to hell without pissing in pants
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202790 << hehe.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 21:40:50; ascii_field: and the enemy is in 'tilt' and decided to do it publicly
pete_dushenski imagines uncle sam at heads-up poker table with stan, the two staring each other down, sweat beading on their brows, knowing that the winner takes home the cash, the loser hangs by his guts
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202797 << iirc he doesn't have this problem. fella was rich long before bitcoin
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 21:50:49; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202786 << true. you don't have mp's 'problems'
pete_dushenski: different level, but you're right.
ascii_field: at any rate, none of the diddles thus far would have made so much as a scratch on, e.g., 'adacoin'
ascii_field: all artifacts of the cpp turd's bottomless well of stupid
pete_dushenski: ascii_field well adacoin couldn't wait until 2020 or w/e
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: it will wait until someone gives a sufficient fuck to pay for it.
ascii_field: could be a hundred years, could be yesterday
pete_dushenski: that and 'computers'
ascii_field: i say 'yesterday' because, as mircea_popescu is fond of reminding us, no one knows what is used on the planets where the miners live
pete_dushenski: well, we know a chunk of them were/are using spv
ascii_field: however presently his 'smart miners' live in the same hypothetical world as my 'meta-nsa'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00054983 = 1.0997 BTC [+]
ascii_field: i.e. by all signs they ~ought to~ exist, somewhere, but the evidence accessible to the naked eye is very thin.
pete_dushenski: i see mp's smart miners as a 'one day' phenomenon, and therefore more akin to your talebian dream life
pete_dushenski: both of which may well happen. just not yet.
pete_dushenski: 'after the war' to borrow a term
ascii_field: mno, my understanding is that he believes them to exist ~now~
pete_dushenski: that may well be.
ascii_field: ask him when he wakes up.
pete_dushenski: it may also be that we are 'after the war' already but don't know it (not that i necessarily subscribe to this theory).
pete_dushenski: that we imagine the enemy's cannon range to be far greater than it really is, and our defenses stronger than they are.
pete_dushenski: this seems to me unlikely, but not impossible.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: didja miss the thread where mircea_popescu told us that is appears my nodes are the last remaining known pre-0.8s which are unwedged presently ?
ascii_field: his - hosed, as of last night
ascii_field: well - 'node'-singular
pete_dushenski: i recall him thanking the heavens that #b-a exists, yes.
ascii_field: (i have two but only one is on a serious pipe and running 24/7)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80412 @ 0.00055923 = 44.9688 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19288 @ 0.00056764 = 10.9486 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: https://keybase.io/blog/2015-07-15/keybase-raises-series-a
assbot: Keybase raises $10.8M ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHYvwW )
punkman: "Only since the advent of smartphones can we create good public key software that doesn't need to say the word "key." As an added bonus: the more devices you have, the safer you are when one is lost."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98200 @ 0.00055715 = 54.7121 BTC [-] {2}
mats: wat
punkman: I don't know
nubbins`: ...
punkman: http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0718/450-year-old-debt.-Trillions-owed.-But-will-German-village-get-repaid
assbot: 450-year-old debt. Trillions owed. But will German village get repaid? - CSMonitor.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHZdKG )
punkman: in other news, greek parliament just voted for 3rd bailout deal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00056323 = 27.9362 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: punkman: Really? The Greeks aren't going to conspire with Mittenwald against Berlin?
punkman: they played the ww2 debt card already
BingoBoingo: Ah
BingoBoingo: But the Greek Debt is nothing compared to Berlin's Debts
punkman: indeed
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo qntsideration : http://dpaste.com/1FZ3GS7.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CI065O )
pete_dushenski: :)
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: DoS returned. Will try to get it up when possible.
pete_dushenski: sounds good man
pete_dushenski: with that, ima sign off. cheerio !
mthreat: ;;seen kakobrekla
gribble: kakobrekla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 38 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <kakobrekla> o was it not?
kakobrekla: m?
mthreat: i've moved the search.b-a to a new server, although it's running on the old one for another 2 weeks
mthreat: you control the dns on that right?
kakobrekla: want to change ip now?
mthreat: sure, the new one is 45.79.3.24
kakobrekla: done
mthreat: alright, thanks!
kakobrekla: ty
punkman: http://adage.com/article/digital/alibaba-yanks-job-ad-seeking-candidates-pornstar-qualities/298387/
assbot: Alibaba Yanks Job Ad Seeking Candidates With Porn Qualities | Digital - Advertising Age ... ( http://bit.ly/1CI1cP0 )
mats: http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/07/15/fireeye-intern-dendroid-charges/
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CI2Xf6 )
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202744 <<< this would go sick in the rear window of my car
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 20:02:04; jurov: http://www.dx.com/p/islamic-muslim-style-home-decoration-removable-pvc-wall-sticker-decal-black-395762 lol anyone?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81650 @ 0.00057481 = 46.9332 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37599 @ 0.00058019 = 21.8146 BTC [+]
mthreat: chinese job postings routinely specify measurements for female employees, for jobs such as receptionist, and also specify that they be "attractive". If you just search on http://cn.indeed.com for "cm", you'll find jobs with centimeter measurements.
assbot: Indeed 中国 | 招聘信息搜索引擎 | 天下职位,一网搜尽 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DhUbPZ )
mthreat: and then use google translate to read them, unless you happen to read chinese
mthreat: looks like most of them specify height, for males too. But I've seen some specify bust/waist/ass measurements
mthreat: ah here's one: http://search.51job.com/job/70188621,c.html
mthreat: translation of requirements: 1, have a good image quality, height 162-168CM
mthreat: 2, bust 83-85CM, waist 59-62CM, hip 88-91CM, Shoulder 37-38CM
scoopbot_revived: US Seeks Extradition Of Irish Silk Road Administrator http://qntra.net/2015/07/us-seeks-extradition-of-irish-silk-road-administrator/
gernika: I once applied for a job in Shenzhen - was required to send my picture. I was deemed acceptable.
asciilifeform: mats: write it up for qntra ?
asciilifeform: hilarious nyooz
asciilifeform: http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/major-computer-hacking-forum-dismantled << from horse's mouth
assbot: Major Computer Hacking Forum Dismantled | OPA | Department of Justice ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb5eCv )
scoopbot_revived: Tsinghua Unigroup Flirts With Acquisition of DRAM Maker Micron http://qntra.net/2015/07/tsinghua-unigroup-flirts-with-acquisition-of-dram-maker-micron/
asciilifeform: 'The charges announced today are part of a coordinated effort by a coalition of law enforcement authorities from 20 nations to charge, arrest or search 70 Darkode members and associates around the world. The nations comprising the coalition include Australia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Canada, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cyprus, Croatia, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Israel, Latvia, Macedonia, Nigeria, Romania, Serbia, Sweden, th
asciilifeform: e United Kingdom and the United States. Today’s actions represent the largest coordinated international law enforcement effort ever directed at an online cyber-criminal forum.' << mega-l0l
trinque: someone tell me again how this country that holds tons of our debt - and is buying up everything left of value in our country - is inferior to us
trinque: @ scoop
asciilifeform: (earlier link has links in turn to the indictments)
scoopbot_revived: Darkode Goes Dark: Members Charged as "Cybercriminals" http://qntra.net/2015/07/darkode-goes-dark-members-charged-as-cybercriminals/
BingoBoingo: Sorry DoS left Qntra a bit constipated, news bowels should be clearer for a bit
asciilifeform: from cursory reading of the indictments thus far, seems like these were all classic derps with atrociously retarded opsec
asciilifeform: kakobrekla will be stimulated to learn that they are requesting the rendition of a slovenian fella
asciilifeform: one mr skorjanc.
asciilifeform: and even another, one mr leniqi.
gernika: Actually used to work at Micron, as an intern for a summer. Would have worked for them for a second summer but ... drug test. They did email on a Vax of some sorts, but were otherwise a windows shop.
asciilifeform: skorjanc, usg claims, was ratted out by a stoolie
asciilifeform: vax?!
asciilifeform: '80s ?
gernika: 1999ish?
asciilifeform: l0l
gernika: AMD only did one drug test, so just extended my internship there instead.
asciilifeform: to round off the earlier thread, aficionados of 'parallel construction' will find a treasure of a lulzfest in the 'darkode' indictments.
mircea_popescu: lol hello gribble. how are you today dear.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ayup.
asciilifeform: which
mircea_popescu: very nice work. nevertheless, it's still empty.
mircea_popescu: the lot.
asciilifeform: not empty. full of nonstd crud a la 'darkwallet'
asciilifeform: or rather, speaking of the wedge block
mircea_popescu: it's still "1"
asciilifeform: the 3 linked - i have not yet cut open
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: read the linked ml turd yet ?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: (i had read it before, too)
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: my present understanding is that these are wedgebombz
asciilifeform: that have not yet gone off.
mircea_popescu: well, inasmuch as my bitcoin doesn't eat the block, they have.
mircea_popescu: what i gathered from what you were saying yest was that they contain an actual spendable tx that will be accepted as input for future txn by future usg clients, thus forking off the legitimate network
mircea_popescu: which is obviously always a possibility but atm i don't see how it'd work.
asciilifeform: my current hypothesis re: 364671.
mircea_popescu: something like http://i.imgur.com/vTifdh5.gifv
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb7QQP )
asciilifeform: this particular shit sandwich has multiple layers. for instance, how did that thing even become a block.
mircea_popescu: miner can mine it.
mircea_popescu: if other miners don't reject it...
asciilifeform: who the fuck relayed it? or was it shat straight into the mouth of a tame miner
mircea_popescu: exactly as recent fork happened.
mircea_popescu: nobody relayed it it is not relayable.
mircea_popescu: it was miner manufactured.
asciilifeform: seems pretty clear, this.
asciilifeform: though iirc hearniated client relays it.
asciilifeform: and there is also the oddity, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202695
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 19:04:26; mod6: magic number is not 0xD9B4BEF9 in 364671
mircea_popescu: i've not kept up with all the idiocy spweing out of that shit-for-brains, so maybe.,
mod6: guess i should have said "first four bytes are not..."
mircea_popescu: anyway, we for sure live in interesting times.
kakobrekla is stimulated
trinque: ben_vulpes: thought some more about db testing strategy
trinque: make rules -> try to break them -> if you can't, test passes
trinque: so the pass is a db exception
trinque: I prefer to just inspect the thing myself and see that the constraint's there, but that's an option if ya want tests
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uvMzriPA00
assbot: GULL - Fast Enough - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lba2rs )
trinque: damn, impressive
trinque: sounds good too
trinque: so one day nobody showed up for band practice, and the guy said "FUCK IT, I AM THE BAND"
trinque: haha
nubbins`: <+gernika> I once applied for a job in Shenzhen - was required to send my picture. I was deemed acceptable. <<< did same for teaching job in sk
nubbins`: <@asciilifeform> http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/major-computer-hacking-forum-dismantled << from horse's mouth <<< “Through this operation, we have dismantled a cyber hornets’ nest" :0
assbot: Major Computer Hacking Forum Dismantled | OPA | Department of Justice ... ( http://bit.ly/1e1vWyB )
mircea_popescu: give the man cyber milk & cookies.
nubbins`: right>
mircea_popescu: cyberright!
nubbins`: !!
nubbins`: hornets' cybernest sounds better
mats: asciilifeform: what's there to write about, folks have covered all the interesting bits already
asciilifeform: apparently.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got a signed centos6.5 iso around perchance ?
mircea_popescu: mnope
mircea_popescu: and besides, i don't release centos wtf is this !?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu doesn't release bitcoin 0.1 either, l0l
asciilifeform: this kind of wankatronix is, sadly, the only known defence against history-diddlers
mircea_popescu: myeah. i dun have anythin' tho.
mircea_popescu: do you ?
asciilifeform: probably. but will have to dig, open old crates, read decaying disks. hence why asked..
mircea_popescu: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/dyb2012.htm << fucktards. "here's pdf an xls. because cvs never happened".
assbot: United Nations Statistics Division - Demographic and Social Statistics ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbbJoW )
mircea_popescu: why is stupidity so common.
asciilifeform: csv ?
nubbins`: XD
nubbins`: comma veparated salues
asciilifeform puzzled over above for a whole minute
nubbins`: content versioning system
mircea_popescu: csv csv.
mircea_popescu: sorry for my altenrative alibities.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202562 << admitting that the entire point of the usg is to prevent fun.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 15:01:17; nubbins`: implying that most cocaine users do it for the fun.
mircea_popescu: this is a defense now, "well... not like i was having fun". so... fuck you for being dumb ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202658 << the kludges and bugs are baked into anything humans do, for as long as they stick.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:15:35; nubbins`: danielpbarron, it seems likely that kludges and bugs will be baked into Bitcoin for eternity
mircea_popescu: what, you think calgary's perfectly laid out ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202663 <--> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202656 <---> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202970 these three are all exactly the same statement.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:18:50; danielpbarron: my expectation for this world is that everything will suck and everyone is stupid
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:14:46; *: nubbins` generally lives life as if 1btc == $0.00
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 01:11:58; mircea_popescu: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/dyb2012.htm << fucktards. "here's pdf an xls. because cvs never happened".
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202687 << never be surprised at any tests, they're always a good idea.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:35:24; ascii_field: the current turd is not 'pogoable' and i'm surprised that danielpbarron bothered to test it there
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202725 << how won't it do ?
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 19:19:37; punkman: which version do we target for bug-to-bug compatibility, since 0.5.3 won't do?
asciilifeform was also puzzled by that question
asciilifeform: i suspect that a number of readers presently believe that we are hosed
mircea_popescu: so, anyone checked solrodar's werk ?
trinque: maybe he's asking what if anything shall be backported
asciilifeform: we are not hosed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as best i can determine atm we're not (yet) hosed.
asciilifeform: well, ~my~ node worx.
asciilifeform: and i'm about to stand up another.
mircea_popescu: but if the shitshow continues where imbeciles simply do random things, we will certainly end up hosed.
scoopbot_revived: BurtW Indictment Dismissed At Behest Of Department Of Justice http://qntra.net/2015/07/burtw-indictment-dismissed-at-behest-of-department-of-justice/
mircea_popescu: it's in the nature of things.
mircea_popescu: "I'm not allowed to see the final agreement between the government and my husband. "
mircea_popescu: herp.
mircea_popescu: !rated burtw
assbot: burtw is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: figgers.
asciilifeform: ' I can only assume it is a non-prosecution agreement since Burt has to forfeit cash and Bitcoins to have the case dismissed.'
asciilifeform: long live ze waterfall.
asciilifeform: gotta admit, usg switching to funding tx spam with stolen coin, rather than giving it at mega-discount to mircea_popescu et al, was a less-retarded-than-usual move
mircea_popescu: afaik they misjudge both their technical ability and the actual state of the network, but hey, if that's what the excel model said...
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/07/burtw-indictment-dismissed-at-behest-of-department-of-justice/#comment-32151
assbot: BurtW Indictment Dismissed At Behest Of Department Of Justice | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TDwH0X )
punkman: 0.5.3 will accept new v2 blocks for example. is that a good idea right now?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202764 << he has a point, you know ?
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 21:30:49; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202652 << always with the russian orthodox jew schtick, this guy.
mircea_popescu: punkman yes. now and forever.
mircea_popescu: just like every single last schmuck working for the usg must know that one day we will hang him for ~THAT~ crime, just so every schmuck fucking around with "bitcoiin development" must know that one day, his efforts will be undone and we revert.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has a russian expression to explain this concept. it originates, mythically, with stalin.
asciilifeform: 'no man, no...'
mircea_popescu: nah, not that one.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186543
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 04:16:44; asciilifeform: 3) не шагу назад
mircea_popescu: there is nothing that the usg has ever done or could ever do that has even the faintest whiff of permanence. not one thing.
asciilifeform: ^ not mythical, but the name of a 'papal bull' he issued
mircea_popescu: im still not convinced he wrotye his own stuff.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202786 << you probably misunderstand how attached men that made fortunes get to the fortunes in question. a year evaporated 90% of my billion net worth, i can assure you the only thing i pissed on were womenz.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 21:39:33; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202766 << the point i was trying to make is that the one upside of having pretty much no coin is that i can sit and think about the whole shebang going to hell without pissing in pants
asciilifeform: but didn't lose sleep-ad-libitum
asciilifeform: i don't seriously imagine that anybody gives a fuck between the 99th and 100th million.
decimation: asciilifeform: besides, even if you had $x mil, what difference would it really make
decimation: other than 'had, then lost' rather than 'never had'
cazalla: i figured most if not all people here are well prepared if upon waking bitcoin is $0 or dead.. i would go work in the garden as i did yesterday and will tmw so bit surprised to read this one from asciilifeform
asciilifeform: read what
asciilifeform: clearly did not read carefully.
asciilifeform astonished at the sheer militant retardation of centos's default partitioning scheme
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202652 <<< this part.. what is to envy?
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:12:50; ascii_field: nubbins`: this is when you ought to envy folks like me, who have nothing
decimation: asciilifeform: it's just a knock off of redhat
decimation: what part strikes you as more retarded: the partitions or the lvm?
asciilifeform: both
decimation: yeah I find lvm is a 'solution in search of a problem'
mircea_popescu: sheer militant retardation of centos's default partitioning scheme << what's wrong with it ? asked he cluelessly.
asciilifeform: 1) lvm exists 2) asinine 50/50 split of disk between 'root' and 'home'
asciilifeform: every time i ever used a binary dist of linux, ended up barfing from something like this
asciilifeform: i mean, 'what even' (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: someone was dropped as a baby ?
mats: lol.
decimation: asciilifeform: in fairness, what would a 'sane' scheme be?
decimation: one that uses no lvm and allocates most space to 'home'
asciilifeform: there was a menu thingie, 'use all disk'
asciilifeform: the sane thing to do is to NOT LIE MOTHERFUCKERS
asciilifeform: and actually use whole disk
decimation: for what? /boot?
asciilifeform: /
decimation: aye, agreed
decimation: it has to insert itself into your business I guess
decimation: anyone serious does their own partition scheme
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: 50/50 root/home split forced ?!
mircea_popescu: this sounds insane. i've never seen it on any centos server i ever owned.
decimation: I think he's talking about what happens when you click the default entry
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: thefaults are broken throughout nix world.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202806 < aye verily.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 21:54:58; ascii_field: at any rate, none of the diddles thus far would have made so much as a scratch on, e.g., 'adacoin'
asciilifeform: that is the one kind of thing for which the buggers have nothing up their sleeves
asciilifeform: (other than perhaps the long-awaited bullet in my head)
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is a) game currency and b) prototype. pick as needed.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202873 << this i count in favour of the chinese.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 00:04:23; mthreat: chinese job postings routinely specify measurements for female employees, for jobs such as receptionist, and also specify that they be "attractive". If you just search on http://cn.indeed.com for "cm", you'll find jobs with centimeter measurements.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202876 << this used to be the convention in the romania of the 90s : "90/60/90 or gtfo".
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 00:06:22; mthreat: looks like most of them specify height, for males too. But I've seen some specify bust/waist/ass measurements
mircea_popescu: suddenly makes implants a business expense.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202898 o.O
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 00:23:05; gernika: Actually used to work at Micron, as an intern for a summer. Would have worked for them for a second summer but ... drug test. They did email on a Vax of some sorts, but were otherwise a windows shop.
mircea_popescu: sometimes i think i'm the last dude left that doesn't do drugs.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202905 << obviously.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 00:24:43; asciilifeform: to round off the earlier thread, aficionados of 'parallel construction' will find a treasure of a lulzfest in the 'darkode' indictments.
asciilifeform: i distinctly recall mircea_popescu having fessed up to 'do'
mircea_popescu: honestly i have a lot of trouble distinguishing this "law enforcement" push from "hiring spree"
asciilifeform: or does 'do' require daily indulgence
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform say wut ?
mircea_popescu: i don't even drink a notable amount of coffee fer crissakes.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2014#829508
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2014 17:22:10; mircea_popescu: speaking of high, the pot here is infucking credible.
mod6: If bitcoin should perish, we will write it's successor: the revolution will not be stopped. Crypto-currency is here to stay. Full stop.
mircea_popescu: so it is. and i say so on the basis of dragging twice off a chick's joint.
asciilifeform: this is not a 'do' ?
mircea_popescu: i guess it is.
mircea_popescu: course, he was discussing failing tests and whatnot.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: different things these or no ?
asciilifeform: 'do' is a variable thing. erdos, for instance, has to this day reputation of 'speed head' but the amount he is said to have taken, in a year, is quite possibly less than a typical addict eats in a week
mircea_popescu: ftr, it's not like i'm on some sort of war on drugs mission or anything. i can appreciate good cocaine just as i can appreciate good steak, i've a refined palate etc.
mircea_popescu: i just don't happen to care for it.
asciilifeform: probably the only folks who can really appreciate dope, hilariously, are those who don't care for it
mod6: also: http://thebicoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000124.html
mircea_popescu: i guess that's a point
hanbot: mod6 is that an altcoin that swings both ways?
asciilifeform: mod6: that host doesn't resolve for me, interestingly
mod6: oh fuk
mod6: sorry
asciilifeform: (i'm still able to read the msg on therealbitcoin.org)
mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000124.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] WARNING! Comparing Binaries for differences with & without OpenSSL configuration flag: no-shared ... ( http://bit.ly/1e1Dgu9 )
asciilifeform: l0l there.
mod6: missed the 't'
mod6: hanbot: haha
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cazalla you know the qntra after a day's blackout is actually quite good!
BingoBoingo: It really is
punkman: https://archive.org/details/dnmarchives potential source for gpg keys not found on public keyservers
assbot: Dark Net Market archives, 2011-2015 : Gwern Branwen : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1e1Dt0B )
mircea_popescu: "Points of objection to the extradition put forth by Davis's counsel claim he would be subjected to inhuman and degrading conditions if convicted and that as he suffers from depression and aspergers, his mental health would be put at risk. Counsel also argued that Davis should have been charged with the offences he is alleged to have committed in Ireland and not in the US. Despite this, the Irish DPP has not investigat
mircea_popescu: ed nor has any intention of charging Davis in relation to his alleged Silk Road activity."
asciilifeform: punkman: neato. let me know if you found anything of interest therein
mircea_popescu: !up trixisowned
trixisowned: [22:55:27] <mircea_popescu> and i have heard "something", just nothing particularly substantial.
trixisowned: oops
trixisowned: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1125214.0
assbot: The Golden Ratio Attack. Blocks more than half full lead to mining monopoly. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e1DAcx )
trixisowned: sorry that was a accidental backcoppy
trixisowned: irc auto copy highlight :P
trixisowned: this sounds fairly legit
trixisowned: and a actuall problem.
mircea_popescu: yes the backlog is going to be permanent. who exactly is surprised by this ?
mircea_popescu: or what am i missing here.
mircea_popescu: again : bitcoin is not for the poor. there's articles on trilema detailing this going all the way back to 2012. what, this never happened ?
trixisowned: you can force your blocks to have more of a backlog than other blocks, which is also prioritized via the client
trixisowned: which could cause them to profit by stuffing their own blocks
trixisowned: with their own transactions
trixisowned: and not relaying those transactions to other nodes
mircea_popescu: trixisowned have you been reading the log here ?
mircea_popescu: all this was discussed days ago.
trixisowned: nah i havent sorry
mircea_popescu: kay.
trinque: doesn't look like anything fun is left on these drives but a gigabyte of a base ubuntu install
trinque: at least for anyone lacking a scanning electron microscope
trinque just fired up the jet engine in his closet
asciilifeform: or a copy of dd
asciilifeform: and 'foremost' or 1,001 other/better proggies
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah I'll still dd the thing somewhere
trinque: and there are 4 other drives not installed for additional phun
asciilifeform: stow the originals, put in own.
trinque: yeah, ass-goblins in the hd firmware right?
asciilifeform: nah, just to keep the old bits
asciilifeform: (i forget why you wanted'em)
trinque: ah ok
trinque: meh, no real reason, lol
trinque: I assume this box is no more owned than the lenovo laptop I'm fiddling with it from
decimation: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/16/us-usa-obama-internet-idUSKCN0PP1JI20150716 " U.S. President Barack Obama announced a pilot project on Wednesday aimed at expanding broadband access for people who live in public housing, part of an effort to close what Obama called the "digital divide" between rich and poor."
assbot: Obama launches project for more broadband in public housing| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6VmZH )
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/beac9a516b31a08bd0b2d76400e54306/tumblr_n83jbs1pqJ1rpyus3o1_500.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6VFnh )
decimation: Hey there's 'women in tech', why not 'poor in tech' and 'alternatively housed in tech'
decimation: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-13/algorithms-had-themselves-a-treasury-flash-crash "Around 9:39 ET, the sudden visibility of certain sell limit orders in the futures market seemed to have coincided with the reversal in prices. Recall that only 10 levels of order prices above and below the best bid and ask price are visible to futures market participants. Around 9:39 ET, with prices still moving higher, a number of previ
assbot: Algorithms Had Themselves a Treasury Flash Crash - Bloomberg View ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6VPuU )
decimation: " The sudden visibility of these sell orders significantly shifted the visible order imbalance in that contract, and it coincided with the beginning of the reversal of its price (the top of the price spike). Most of these limit orders were not executed, as the price did not rise to their levels.
decimation: ah the missing bit in the middle "a number of previously posted large sell orders suddenly became visible in the order book above the current 30-year futures price (as well as in smaller size in 10-year futures)."
decimation: also: "At the peak of the flash crash, self-trading in the 10-year "reached 14.9 percent and 11.5 percent for cash and futures" volume, respectively, and was even higher in the 5-year"
mircea_popescu: managed to cross the wire ?
mircea_popescu: well done glbse!
mircea_popescu: !up TheRealJohnGalt
decimation: ^ I conclude that the high rent firms who run the hft bots are just as clueless as spv miners
decimation: " Self-trading, for the purpose of this report, is defined as a transaction in which the same entity takes both sides of the trade so that no change in beneficial ownership results."
decimation: so they are running a gaggle of bots and they have no fuckin' clue how they interact
mod6: aka wash trades
decimation: mod6: perhaps, it's not clear to me how selling something to yourself is beneficial in tax terms
decimation: punkman posted this yesterday http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1202259
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 09:06:29; punkman: ben_vulpes: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-14/banks-forgot-who-was-supposed-to-own-dell-shares << crazy
mircea_popescu: decimation conclusion is certainly correct. they have no clue and no future.
mircea_popescu: "The modern traveller " thy name is legion " proposing to visit some " lost paradise " such as Bali, often asks whether or not it has yet been " spoiled." It makes a naive, and even tragic, confession. For this man does not reflect that he is condemning him- self ; that what his question asks is whether or not the sources of equilibrium and grace in the other civilizations have yet been poisoned by contact with men lik
mircea_popescu: e him- self and the culture of which he is a product." << this is deeply self-flattering but just as deeply wrong. if a man asks if a woman is a virgin, he also condemns himself ?
decimation: ^ apparently most 'stock ownership' is a complete mirage
decimation: the state of delaware doesn't even acknowledge that your broker owns the stock, yet alone you
mircea_popescu: " it is to be feared that the gradual breaking down of their institutions, together with the drain on their national wealth, will make coolies, thieves, beggars and prostitutes of the proud and honourable Balinese of this generation, and will" prostitution is not to be feared. prostitution is the realisation of the feminine ideal finally liberated of all the slag of fear and hypocrisy.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i still can't fucking stand that wamy fellow, nothing's changed in a decade.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather read orlov's daughter from a marriage with yarvin consumated on one of their leaky carriers they have.
mircea_popescu: decimation you can get proper ownership if you want, to this day (a point fucktarded articles deliberately omit to mention)
decimation: that passage sounds like the seeds of 'liberal guilt'
mircea_popescu: i had a pile.
decimation: as in actual stock ceritficates?
mircea_popescu: yes.
decimation: yeah, apparently the common method is a big dumb 'depository company' holds them on behalf of another company who holds them on behalf of a broker who 'sells' them to you
mircea_popescu: i think i even have unissued ones from old corps in storage somewhere as well.
mircea_popescu: nobody forces you to participate.
decimation: you need to actually hold a certificate to be an owner in delaware apparently
decimation: or at least have a warehouse receipt for the same
mircea_popescu: how else would you do it ?
mircea_popescu: no, no "at least". have the cert or walk.
mircea_popescu: go ask your dad or w/e it is that has it.
decimation: well, when I give the broker money for a stock or fund, what am I buying?
mircea_popescu: best ask him neh ?
decimation: indeed, it's an interesting question
mircea_popescu: again nobody forces you to buy something you don't wanna buy
decimation: actually in the us they kinda do sometimes
decimation: for instance if you have a forced menu on your company's retirement plan
mircea_popescu: (yes they'll ship you the certs if you so wish, and aren't one of the reddit "but i expect everyything for free" consumer crowd)
gernika: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203093 << didn't fail any tests, just didn't take any. I happened to have roommates that smoked pot every day, and for the brief period I lived with them, I partook.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 02:21:50; mircea_popescu: course, he was discussing failing tests and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: decimation how's this menu work ?
mircea_popescu: gernika they actually test ~for pot~ ?
mircea_popescu: even the nsa had to drop that one.
mircea_popescu: what, chinese are special?
decimation: very typically your company will have a short list of 'funds' in which you can invest your usg-blessed 'deferred tax' money
gernika: mircea_popescu They did, some 15 years ago. This is Idaho and Texas we're talking about.
mircea_popescu: decimation i would expect you can get certs for your fund participation. you don't own what they own, just a piece of them.
mircea_popescu: gernika sorry for some reason i thought it was china.
decimation: mircea_popescu: possibly, I'll have to look into it.
mircea_popescu: decimation obviously, ownership is not without its pitfals. if you manage to burn them down you may have a problem on your hands.
mircea_popescu: people prefer not to own for all sorts of reasons.
gernika: mircea_popescu Aha no the Chinese thing was a test of my appearance via a photo, which I passed.
decimation: did you know that nearly all retail 'financial advisors' in the us are not actually fiduciary?
mircea_popescu: how would they be lol.
mircea_popescu: think about it. how much does insurance cost ? how'd you make it so random schmuck with 50 bucks in his pocket can afford one ?
decimation: you make it so nobody is liable for suckering him
decimation: which is roughly the state of the computer industry that ascii bemoans
mircea_popescu: the elephant in the room is that ten thousand today are not worth a hundred in 1920, whcih is the last release year of most of this stuff.
mircea_popescu: so consequently...
decimation: yeah ownership dilusion is rampant too
mircea_popescu: people with less than a million liquid are not in any sense anything but the shoeshine boys and shop maids investing their nickles and dimes, which famously made carnegie quit or who was it
mod6: joe kennedy
mircea_popescu: alright.
mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/904ca035334c9b3ddba2959a6f7bbef7/tumblr_n7xwm8eVU11sgur0go1_400.gif foxylady says hi.
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decimation: how did greenspun put it: http://philip.greenspun.com/materialism/early-retirement/investing " Note that Harvard's total is 105 percent because of leverage, i.e., situations in which they've borrowed money to purchase investments. Conspicuously absent from these portfolios are heavy investments in American companies run by Harvard and Yale graduates. "Domestic Equity" are publicly traded stocks such as GE and Microsoft. Harvard and Ya
assbot: Early Retirement: Investing ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6ZlFu )
mircea_popescu: lmao
decimation: "Harvard and Yale have faith that their graduates will make a lot of money for themselves, but no faith that they will make money for their shareholders. "
mircea_popescu: harvard has a lot better sense than to buy the toxic spew of its own "start-up culture".
decimation: yeah, they buy timber land and private equity
decimation: also note that yale hardly buys bonds too
decimation: but the bottom line is that 70% of their wealth is invested in stuff that isn't available to the above shoeshine boys
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 3550 @ 0.00051 = 1.8105 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: !up TheRealJohnGalt
BingoBoingo: !up GoonClooney
decimation: asciilifeform: did you go on a kicking spreee
asciilifeform: l0lwat
decimation: I just saw about 20 people quit
decimation: maybe netsplit
asciilifeform: prolly
decimation: nearly all of them were on irccloud.com actually
decimation: I wonder if that's where our lurkers come from

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