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(ossasepia) diana_alt: sure; that doesn't mean they don't help in any other way though
(ossasepia) diana_alt: great, thanks!
(ossasepia) diana_alt: i.e. add to the readme or something so one doesn't need to dig in the logs
(ossasepia) diana_alt: asciilifeform: maybe add those cron/instructions as a patch though?
(ossasepia) diana_alt: asciilifeform: I still tend to do a *2 for myself on all your timings; but in any case, it's still on my list for when I get back to my desk
(ossasepia) diana_alt: looking at it from the other side, why not just mirror them in the cheapest way too; supposedly there still are some that are not banned on acct of spam either;
(ossasepia) diana_alt: asciilifeform: do you recommend just mirroring them on heathen vms?
(ossasepia) diana_alt: I agree it looks 100% pipe effect
(ossasepia) diana_alt: no, not a huge difference anyway; tbh for the moment I can't see much more info to be gotten out of further simple timing tests (or maybe I just don't see it)
(ossasepia) diana_alt: same precise page
(ossasepia) diana_alt: asciilifeform: hm, a bit longer if anything: real is around 1.5s on 4 runs
(ossasepia) diana_alt: BingoBoingo: thanks!
(ossasepia) diana_alt: asciilifeform: it would seem so, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: BingoBoingo: do you mind waiting until the end of this week for the payment of the Pizarro invoice for my rk?
(ossasepia) diana_alt: ugh, no deedbot
(ossasepia) diana_alt will be back tomorrow
(ossasepia) diana_alt: re lisp comment I meant that it's not a high priority; if it's fun and so it fits in "relaxing time" / not resulting in tasks spilling over than sure; but otherwise it *can* wait
(ossasepia) diana_alt: also, fwiw I think you might actually enjoy perhaps more making bots in eulora really since that's precisely where data collection and modelling and in general making sense of data is really needed
(ossasepia) diana_alt: here's the link with trinque's genesis of logbot http://trinque.org/2016/08/11/logbot-genesis/ and the keccak regrind from spyked http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html
(ossasepia) diana_alt: it's a basic step you just can't skip
(ossasepia) diana_alt: but note that you still need *first* to understand V
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: initially making a irc bot was meant to be easy-beginner task but it turned out recently that it's not quite that, lol; onth since you say you are lisp-interested anyway, perhaps have first a look at trinque's bot
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: the point re priorities is that you should at least have some rough groups precisely so you can say "this bit is there only if time allows"; moving them to higher priority if they spilled over from previous week makes sense, yes, but there is *also* the option of saying "this will have to wait until X is ready" or some such.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: re tasks list: what's the order there?
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: never mind, you need to be L1 so not yet; leave feedbot alone
(trilema) diana_alt: ah, nm, now I saw it in the footnote - it is L1 only
(trilema) diana_alt: spyked: I don't recall and can't see at http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/081-feedbot-manual.html - is feedbot for L1 only or does it work for anyone with positive ratings or regardless of rating or what?
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: 1. do you know you can use feedbot to notify you of any new comments and/or articles for blogs/posts of interest?
(trilema) diana_alt: ah, I *was* wondering re nginx as my only recollection of it was BingoBoingo trying it out and ending up with more trouble than it's worth
(ossasepia) diana_alt: I can believe that, sadly, yes; none of my teachers ever said it explicitly either (I sat here trying hard to find at least one who might have said it) although in fairness it was at least an implicit requirement that yes, of course you read the thing *many* times, wtf is one read going to do
(ossasepia) diana_alt: BingoBoingo: if only they said that more often, you know?
(trilema) diana_alt: interesting at least in re pipe I suppose
(trilema) diana_alt: asciilifeform: atm all my auth except this travel key are in various degrees of deep freeze but if it's not tested until I get back to my usual terminal, I'll try it out
(trilema) diana_alt: asciilifeform: hm, does it vanish if accessed from other-machine-at-pizarro too?
(ossasepia) diana_alt: " Complete partially finished " - lolz how this sounds
(ossasepia) diana_alt: better re-read something worthy than waste the time on "the best 10 tools for x" and the like
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: basically there's plenty worth reading and time is still limited so best not waste any of it on reading platform/adverts/signalling/talking-out-of-no-experience-but-being-a-great-guy spew
(trilema) diana_alt: so there's still a totally unknown but significant delay on logger, weird stuff
(ossasepia) diana_alt: and that's pretty much how you evaluate text too - if it's not worth re-reading, it wasn't much in there to start with
(ossasepia) diana_alt: things worth reading are worth re-reading as your knowledge increases since you'll notice and make other connections too
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: the basic rule is that you'll need to go through each thing at least 3 times to get it but that's more of a lower bound than anything else really
(ossasepia) diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-19#1000352 - yes, there is; remember that knowledge is essentially a tree; as such, you should simply write down and then come back to branches not-yet-explored; and for that matter, as BingoBoingo says, you *have to* revisit and re-read, of course!
(ossasepia) diana_alt: and as a result, you have feedback in the comments there
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: much more readable indeed!
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: to avoid wasting that last chance for your website, as a minimum, the blog part of it should have: http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-a-blog-complete-spec-inside/ ; whatever else happens in other parts of your website if you must have parts, have one url for a proper blog.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: in a word: your website is increasingly confusing to the point that I'll stop checking it; when you finally reach a layout that you can stick to, let me know and I'll give it another chance.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: is the "virtual palace" the whole thing or a category or wtf?
(ossasepia) diana_alt: as for Stream I have no idea what it's supposed to be in the first place (feed? blog?); what's the difference between journal and blog anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: by "colophon" on your blog, you actually mean "About" and you are better served using the correct names for everything; the colophon is something else, too.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-17#1000303 - feel free to bash him one for those on sight, after all that's how learning happens; but yes, that's why it's here and not in #trilema after all.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: latest trilema piece seems to be some reading for you (but do remember you have some things to finish first by this Sunday's deadline!) : http://trilema.com/2019/no-platforms/
(ossasepia) diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-17#1000315 - it's an environmental issue too i.e. man-alone among scammers+idiots will not get anywhere (other than depressed or similar); hence my earlier note that it's unhealthy to invest your time (let alone yourself) in there more than you absolutely have to (if indeed you have to)
(trilema) diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929501 - eulora's next phase awaits the new client basically; so yes, it's been quiet in game too for quite a while.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: or at least last long, I would hope.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: you may say perhaps that I'm still gentle with the hose, I suppose
(ossasepia) diana_alt: alternatively, it's the other way around: whether they are made of shit or only covered in shit
(ossasepia) diana_alt: hence my observation above: the only real criteria I can see is whether they fit in with the shit or not; perhaps there is some gradation there or some threshold or even some "exposure" but there's no way to tell that I can see;
(ossasepia) diana_alt: and yes, I expect it went even more downhill, there was no going uphill
(ossasepia) diana_alt: perhaps I even said it before but basically upon getting my phd I was rather pissed off because "wtf, is THIS supposed to be an actual phd now?"; pretty much told my supervisor as such "your paper/title/writing on the door is not going to actually make me a professor"
(ossasepia) diana_alt: dunno; I ...have a doctoral diploma
(ossasepia) diana_alt: and moreover, it's a chance he has;
(ossasepia) diana_alt: asciilifeform: it's a bit wider net, namely misfits; because yes, if they fit well, it's because they are made of the same shit in which they fit; and shrysr is a misfit as far as I can see; you may say he tried so hard to fit in that maybe he already did too much damage to himself but that I can't tell yet;
(ossasepia) diana_alt: asciilifeform: if anything, I'm actually curious how much/whether you worked with teenagers (not fixed age as such but rather as relatively new products of the current education system)
(ossasepia) diana_alt: asciilifeform: yes, but you do *not* consider them either honest or actually doing something interesting in the first place
(ossasepia) diana_alt: fwiw he has however way more drive in the right direction than I saw in a *lot* of others
(ossasepia) diana_alt: tall order given that he is working for them essentially and still thinking they are his future/honest
(ossasepia) diana_alt: asciilifeform: time will tell for sure.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: read* not ready
(ossasepia) diana_alt: asciilifeform: I suspect it's partially bad habit (environment strongly pushed it, for all I can get otherwise he resisted it as much as he could on his own but that is always patchy at best) and partially reading too much noise (where there is nothing to actually ready so...)
(ossasepia) diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-17#1000243 -> yes; no - settled is re access over trusted networks and various auth.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: you know you *can* ask here re v and signatures too, right?
(ossasepia) diana_alt: but yes, in-depth *and* not-ultra-specialised
(ossasepia) diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-16#1000232 - your user is author there, not admin so probably can't approve comments; I'll have a look into it when I get back to a more settled place as atm I'm travelling for a bit
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: http://younghands.club/2019/08/14/review-summaries-week-3-and-4/ - point 4 here is still missing, 2 days after "it will be updated tomorrow"
(ossasepia) diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-15#1000212 - well, compare and contrast with here + #trilema and perhaps reflect a bit on why is that and where's worth it to put more of your time and effort into.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-15#1000209 - myeah; this is part of why I say that's it's unhealthy as an environment (and no, it's not just that particular company you are working for right now, it's unfortunately much more widespread than that)
(ossasepia) diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-15#1000204 - reflecting is good and needed but take the time to link (and thus also check) conclusions back to the original starting point/thread as it were;
(ossasepia) diana_alt: and the above being said, even dives in swamps can be useful learning (as long as you don't drown in there), sure; there is some potential trouble in that you may end up learning things to unlearn later too but such is life - things are neither ideal nor "as they should be" or something.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: I'm not saying it towards a purpose e.g. "so that he drops it" ; sure, I wish you were at the point where you decided to not waste time on it but if you are not there, you are not there and that's all.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: *therefore* I can't keep quiet ("so you are confident in sharing" or whatever) and let you get sucked into it without even realising what's going on.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: if you say that you *have to* drink this particular spittoon because of current/planned salt mine, it's your decision and stand by it for what it is. I'm simply making sure that you are aware - as much as possible - of what you are getting yourself into there. In other words, it flows from causes, not purposes: I'm saying it *because* I've seen it all before and I know the problems with it and
(ossasepia) diana_alt: the spittoon is a reference to "it's all one strand" illustrated with a great deal of matching-crudeness in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/the_spittoon.txt
(ossasepia) diana_alt: re Docker: I said it makes noise because it brings with it a *lot* of dependencies and assorted things that a. will weigh you down b. you have no control whatsoever over c. sooner or later (and usually sooner) *will* break from under you and as a result force you to "upgrade" all sorts + import yet another spittoon of neverending shit. This is neither specifically Docker btw not news as such.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: deadlines and feedback here you repeatedely failed (most probably out of too much enthusiasm if that makes you feel better about it, I am aware how easily that can happen but it is what it is.)
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: understand that all the above and previous feedback is strictly what the words say, don't make strawmen out of it; in particular: if I point out where you failed, it does NOT follow that you didn't do anything RIGHT! and yes, I am quite sure that you *CAN* do things right and even very well otherwise - that's precisely WHY I keep you to a good standard and simply point out that so far re
(ossasepia) diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-15#1000165 -> why exactly can't you confidently state? if you mean that I should approve /refrain from pointing out trouble *because* it lowers your confidence in stating/sends you into hiding, that's a. not helping you at all b. not going to happen.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-15#1000164 -> so put it explicitly and in some more detail in the plan, what!
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: do me a favour and give me a link to the topics/issues you are going to spend this week on; basically the currently missing point 4 in http://younghands.club/2019/08/14/review-summaries-week-3-and-4/
(ossasepia) diana_alt: plan for this week"
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: and you do seem to fight some strawmen there (e.g. I said you ran away from v.py because for a few weeks now *all* that comes out re v.py is that you find it hard; but nothing concrete, no "here's what I tried and where I got stuck", no "what does this do because I think it does X but Y", no nothing); onth during this same time I heard lots of all sorts that were not even mentioned as "my
(ossasepia) diana_alt: that being said, it is way better to consistently keep in sync as it were rather than bursting when prodded more strongly
(ossasepia) diana_alt: beats keeping silent by a *large* margin, you know?
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: nice outburst there :)
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: ack the above and let me know what deadlines you set yourself for each task above (at 1 you need to write down the reasons and the measures; at 3 you need to read and write the summary of what is being said there; at 5. you need to go through some lines of v.py and explain what they do
(ossasepia) diana_alt: understand that it does *not* have to be *all or nothing*; small steps is fine as long as you actually take them; and the longest travel is still made out of small steps or how did it go
(ossasepia) diana_alt: 5. re v.py just start with the first x lines of it: write a post in which you take each line and explain what do you think it does.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: 4. you really sound like you overplan and you are using planning as a "virtuous excuse" i.e. a sort of "oh, I plan and therefore I'm not jumping about randomly" while you are exactly pretty much jumping about randomly;there is something to non-linear work but if you are *unable* to actually commit to some deadlines and hit them each and every time, it's basically hopeless to work with you.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: so I'd say try first to write a summary of what that post is saying; i.e. do NOT add your "take" on it or whatever; just try to retell in your own words precisely what it is saying
(ossasepia) diana_alt: the trouble is that your previous attempts with causes and purposes and the wot were rather very poor on the engaging front i.e. you seem to have read the text but not really gotten the ideas, I don't even know exactly how is that possible
(ossasepia) diana_alt: 3. given 1 and 2 above, you should engage with this: http://thewhet.net/2013/09/your-feelings-are-out-to-get-you/
(ossasepia) diana_alt: 2. inspiration is 80% perspiration or how was it; following blindly your emotions may be giving you a thrill but it's more likely to get you falling down from a cliff;
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: re your summary: 1. wtf pouring time into Docker to start with? on one hand you run away from v.py because difficult on the other you jump on Docker because what? it "helps" you by making a lot more noise and apparently handling the "hard" stuff for you so "you don't have to"?
(trilema) diana_alt: hello from Vilnius, /me slowly catches up with the logs
(ossasepia) diana_alt: (i.e. even if it's not in chan)
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: as long as you say something in chan I'll read it in the logs later anyway, no need to later ; but in any case, there is at least one other bot (iirc) that does later too and you can msg it directly if needed
(ossasepia) diana_alt: 1. SAY it *as soon* as you realise you might need more time or whatever 2. concrete reasons *why* that happened 3. concrete measures you are going to take *so it does not happen again*
(ossasepia) diana_alt: so far you gave very little feedback on pretty much everything; and esp. when it's about deadlines, don't do this silent "I needed more time but I don't intend to ..."
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: realise that you *did not say anything* about what is going on
(pizarro) diana_coman: re importing yours from deedbot, I meant on a different computer /setup basically
(pizarro) diana_coman: thimbronion: ah, if deedbot's messages don't use yours then it does sound like some issue there
(ossasepia) diana_coman: more to the point: every "silent" fail is a lie you tell yourself and as a result, the only thing growing is your capacity to fool yourself (which is anyway quite big for everyone to start with, not to mention a big drawback otherwise).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: this is basic accountability, lesson 0.000001
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if Sunday doesn't work, then choose EXPLICITLY (say it!) a day that works and then STICK TO IT
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and you know, it was meant to be there by end of this past Sunday
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: what's COB?
(trilema) diana_coman: spyked: fwiw re daimon - he came in and asked me for a rating years ago as if it was a village and I should know it was "him"; once I figured out which "Alex" he was, I rated him; then even pulled and pushed him to try eulora - he resisted it and never made it.
(trilema) diana_coman: in fairness, I don't use python much - last time I used it was years ago for generating the Eulora cookbook aka a bunch of static html pages from various data
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: it turns out I don't even usually have flask and psycopg2 on my machines
(trilema) diana_coman: I patched it on top of asciilifeform's tree as promised yesterday http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927521 (+ added the author field in manifest file) + mirrored the full logotron tree on my page
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform and anyone else interested in the awk log converter from irssi : http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-985.0-985.18
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: hm, it might be, indeed.
(trilema) diana_coman: ave1: works!
(trilema) diana_coman: quite; for lack of anyone giving them a good beating when they are so amused, grrr.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: it's "amusing", right? that "oh, how funny you are trying to do something, how entertaining" is such great heights of being great, I can't even
(trilema) diana_coman: my poor, poor comment
(trilema) diana_coman: ftr it didn't even have a link, just a plain sentence (too plain?)
(trilema) diana_coman: I kind of wonder what am I applying for, though!
(trilema) diana_coman: o.O ave1 your blog sez "spammers need not apply" to my comment
(trilema) diana_coman: but somehow they still seem perfectly able to go about it until they die (and apparently they don't die of boredom either)
(trilema) diana_coman: historically it just about never goes that way, of course.
(trilema) diana_coman: it just seemed to me that Anon(s) was pouring so much effort into constructing all sorts of "he's bad" about anyone as soon as it seemed "safe" to do it that..well, maybe he finally gets the idea of pouring that effort into something more useful
(trilema) diana_coman: ctcp does have the flavuor of "improvements by the crowd"
(trilema) diana_coman: above it was more of a surprise at "why store it at all if it's not going to make any difference at all anyway"
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: when trying to come up with a reason for it - no, nothing comes up really;
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: myeah, to me all www looks like "big pile of chairs that nobody ever cleaned up at all either"
(trilema) diana_coman: hm now - should I have linked his answer rather than the start of the thread?
(trilema) diana_coman: spyked: re actions, asciilifeform already responded in #o : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-11#1000090
(trilema) diana_coman: I also ctrl-click so didn't notice but I don't see the reason to bake in "new window"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: where's the week 3 and week 4 progress summary?
(pizarro) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: what's his problem exactly though? did thimbronion check his public key whether it matches the one shown by deedbot? also: did thimbronion check that he can indeed both encrypt to self (with key taken from deedbot) and decrypt result?
(trilema) diana_coman: huh, I actually remember the azn guy + story but can't extract atm direct link, huh
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, ah; if you want it there, I can add it (tomorrow though), sure; meant to ask: why no author field in your manifest?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: do you mean that awk above or what is "the eater"?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you! looks good and my nitpicker can't find anything anymore either.
(trilema) diana_coman: lobbes: did you actually publish the archive process thing?
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw, I diffed the 2 and looked, couldn't find further issues; the nick is now indeed first word of payload when * is nick (on action); + the one case with messed up lines because of Day changed vs. Log opened is corrected too.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: take 2, format at action corrected ^
(trilema) diana_coman: updated script: awk '/Day changed/ {Month=$5; Day=$6; Year=$7;} /Log opened/ {Month=$5; Day=$6; Year=$10;} ! /-|<--|>/ {count++; sep=";"; w= Year " " Month " " Day " " $1 " " $2 " 00"; if ($3 == "*") {pp=$3 sep $4 " "; $4=""; n=5;} else {pp=$3 sep; n=4;}; $1=""; $2=""; $3=""; print count+998966 sep mktime(w) sep pp substr($0,n);}'
(trilema) diana_coman: meanwhile I actually found 1 instance I missed so I'll tweak a bit the awk (there's a "Log opened" instead of "day changed" and the timing/date there is also different so needs fixed)
(trilema) diana_coman: but it seems it took "diana_coman;is" as nick?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: my tape has no space either
(trilema) diana_coman goes to look in raw
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: as I'm still nitpicking the log, was it expecting some space re * and action as this doesn't seem quite ok: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-20#999264 ?
(trilema) diana_coman: I suspect so; there's a shortage of building blocks, not as much of what to do with them
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: barbarous or not, it's the only logger I have logging #ossasepia, you know?
(trilema) diana_coman: np; thank you for the logger!
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, it was...cathartic like that, awk-one-liner-does-the-job after ps-ton-does-nothing :))
(trilema) diana_coman: the 998966 above is lazy-hardcoded, calc based on asciilifeform's first id and the total lines in my log (i.e. so that the ids match perfectly *before* his log)
(trilema) diana_coman: worth noting that the month was at least numerical rather than "jul" and all that
(trilema) diana_coman: ftr, here's my quick'n'dirty awk that did the trick: awk '/Day changed/ {Month=$5; Day=$6; Year=$7;}! /-|<--|>/ {count++; sep=";"; w= Year " " Month " " Day " " $1 " " $2 " 00"; if ($3 == "*") {pp=$3 sep $4; $4=""; n=5;} else {pp=$3; n=4;}; $1=""; $2=""; $3=""; print count+998966 sep mktime(w) sep pp sep substr($0,n);}'
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: there's no link for next day on the imported bits (or uhm, can't quite tell where/why?) ; e.g. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-16 has no link although there is http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-17 ?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: the converter is awk one-liner but my logs were plain irssi (and the annoying bit was re time because hour:min only + day change only); still, if you think it may be of use, I'll post it, sure
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: deeded copy of #ossasepia log ^
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and molded by shared experience, even of the online sort
(ossasepia) diana_coman: human language, you know? viciously NOT independent of context
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: ahaha, can be in some cases, yes; can also be for instance please + wtf_is_this_not_done_already
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: base meaning is still please, that much is safe to say.
(trilema) diana_coman goes to check if there's any Chec left for photos and all that jazz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: may be playful, may be parodic, may be pointing out silliness, quite the range
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: well, it's a version of please with a hint of ....depending on exact context; does this help tremendously?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: that's the whole point in growing here :) ; but it takes time, so don't despair.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LkNwh/?raw=true -> old log for the logger; let me know if you'd rather I upload the file somewhere or something?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the noise almost drowned you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not as much "the noise helped", not at all
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: eh, you realise that it's because I wasted some time in that shithole, precisely trying to see if there was anyone lost in there
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the only unfortunate part is that you don't yet have (or perceive) any other option than to work for those "recruiters"; it's not that they don't understand, no; it's inevitable that they "require" precisely nonsense; but this is deeper and atm you still have to dig yourself out of *previous* holes you got yourself into, so it will wait.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: while in general I'm all for "anything you do, it's STILL something learnt", the trouble is that you might end up learning stuff that you'll have to ...unlearn later on.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ofc 5*noise is just...a lot more noise, but who cares, right?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (for extra lulz, check out what they call "strategy" - it's ~= lemme post this in 5 places so it counts as 5*activity)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, linked in and dev.to and all the rest are mainly advertisement places - i.e. most there "talk" to fill the void, not because they have something to say; doh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: meaning is much nicer than no meaning, certainly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: ah, I see; meanwhile I looked in the raw txt from the dump of btcbase and figured out re * too: it's meant to be a field by itself (and that makes it even easier), so cool.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: hopefully it's plenty clear that past midnight GMT, further site-messing means I'll totally ignore your site and read *only* what you publish on younghands.club
(ossasepia) diana_coman: also: should there be a space or not? i.e. *nick or * nick? (I'm awk-ing that log-before-the-bot file)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: actions seem to show in logger as text said rather than in any way different; is that intended? I don't quite grok what's the thing with *nick then?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: a few hours left; and you also need to publish the week summary for this week & past one that you missed :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: done with the blog-futzing? ~16hours left for that.
(trilema) diana_coman: sure; but: throw out, obv.
(trilema) diana_coman: and easily spotted + cleaned anyway, yes.
(trilema) diana_coman: after all, it's a logger, not something terribly sensitive
(trilema) diana_coman: eh, the way I see it is more of an opportunity to look around again and try perhaps some datacenters
(trilema) diana_coman: but I don't really want the logger there too
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: my node is in singapore and it's been running perfectly fine
(trilema) diana_coman is still looking for "where to host bot, wtf"
(trilema) diana_coman: and hence the trouble with different environment - if different enough, the previous experience is worse than useless because actively hinders
(trilema) diana_coman: the way I see it, it's simply shortcut obtained through experience; hence my statement above that it's not and cannot be out of nothing just like that; even what seems as "out of nothing" is just...forgot when learnt rather than truly out of nothing
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, some reflex too
(trilema) diana_coman: funnily enough re driving I had the precise opposite trouble: had to trust a bit more *some*O!!
(trilema) diana_coman: but fwiw I think I know what you mean; the "gut instinct" is not a generally-good thing; it's good at what it's good and doesn't translate well to dissimilar environment basically
(trilema) diana_coman: but because of that, I know precisely what it took - a very lucid learning, let's say; not "intuitive", no
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, I learnt to cycle when I was...~24 :|
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: sadly I never shot guns, no; (shot some bow and arrow but other than that, kills were of a more lower class countryside style rather than lord of the mannor)
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno, if you define instinct as "automated path", then it can be acquired even for "untypical environ" and essentially the only thing is when one says "instinct" generically like that since it's not "one" but many and the whole thing is to know /be able to choose the right one
(trilema) diana_coman: in other words, it's no surprise walkers on soil have in fact absolutely no instinct for flying quickly high up in the air;
(trilema) diana_coman: "first" -> noob above; "second" - training + experience
(trilema) diana_coman: well yes, but only the second should be called instinct, the first is at best some preprogrammed/random reaction, dunno (and same for feelings really; out of nothing, there's no feelings, only preprogrammed or random reactions)
(trilema) diana_coman: to link it to the previous thread, it seems to me quite similar to saying that "instinct" of noob pilot is shit, therefore instinct of *any* pilot, experience be damned, is just as shit; I seriously doubt this.
(trilema) diana_coman: ugh; I still call it misnomer though; "growing" like a tree without any internal work still doesn't mean that everyone's just as hollow
(trilema) diana_coman had no idea what flask was and barely got an idea after looking it up when it popped up in stan's logger
(trilema) diana_coman: lmao; I puzzled when first saw there "flask" - but then again, not sure one can bake www-anything quickly without importing any mess
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: fix your rss links re both url (aka what it was, stop "innovating" the standard, wtf) and actual content (the page is malformed, lol)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: I can see the trackbacks
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but seriously, either you get the rss links to what they were or whatever, I'll see it when it happens.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fff is for futz-futz-futz, obv
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: eh, so what, you imagine I jump and change every time you futz it about ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: no notification of it at least; also no notification of your post - did you change your rss link for posts and/or comments?
(trilema) diana_coman: well, looking forward to see it and time it
(trilema) diana_coman: I still need to run tests and timings re "fast" but as a principle, it's not the first requirement (rsa is not for speed anyway)
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: the main issue is that I'd much rather run peh not-on-pc, pretty much
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: my q (if perhaps different from trinque's) is what would it take to have peh-iron?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes, the dynamic ip seems to be the headache there indeed
(ossasepia) diana_coman: european history; USA equivalent would be cotton-picking (aka slave labour, obv)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you call your salt mines "the office" iirc
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if you are not familiar with it, salt mines (and rock quaries or similarly hard labour) was done with convicts mainly/only
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: he went to his place of employment aka "the mines" ; also known as "the slave galley"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: so come out to the light! heh
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