asciilifeform: at any rate that's merely 1 example .
asciilifeform goes to look, but -- as usual -- comes up empty
asciilifeform: ( to take trivial example : at one time i designed a 'fg 2' that uses scintillator crystal . background radiation is moar than enuff to make this go. however also need a reverse-biased large surface diode for detecting pulses. these need a clean (i.e. not from oscillating converter) ~60 volt. then thought : 'this is simple, all would need is 20 x 3v photocells in series, in epoxy. surely someone sells this !! guess wat. )
asciilifeform: lobbes: you can also sync the way diana_coman did , using the raw dump knob and eater .
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933827 << congrats , lobbes !! lemme know if you want an unscheduled dump so can sync lines .
asciilifeform suspects that 'pedo is the new faggotry' in the 19th c brit sense , i.e. 'want to be toady of hitler? gotta give him some primo kompromat for you'
asciilifeform: ( simply use longer screw. )
asciilifeform: trinque: possibly simply died
asciilifeform: trinque: per mircea_popescu's spec, it aint a bug. ( and to switch it off, imho The Right Thing is simply to look against list of bots )
asciilifeform: and incidentally diana_coman is the all-time champ for 'read & eat asciilifeform's worx' atm !
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933621 << it isn't impossible, iirc mircea_popescu had a sql oops coupla yrs ago (but i thought was fully restored?)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933526 << thinking about this -- prolly my sad mips belongs on the list of these attempts.
asciilifeform: ( spoiler: ~100% of the time , complainer's hands were found to grow from arse )
asciilifeform: ( who hasn't blown entire weekend on 'grr should this /tmp/barf be chown apache:apache or apache:foo or...' ? )
asciilifeform: linux file permission model is a joak even in comparison to microshit's, fwiw
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nginx was an old heathen attempt to 'trb treatment' of apache by 'cut all the pieces i dun use' -- of 1 particular user.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and asciilifeform together, when attempted the collective php blog system on same
asciilifeform: aat least it doesn't try to stuff the indices into the dump.
asciilifeform: was iirc a pre-cuntoo attempt to cuntoo. but unfortunately not publicly given in detail .
asciilifeform: in related funnies, icelandic is hammer-compatible w/ chaucer's engl.
asciilifeform: strangely sicilian seems almost plug-compatible with ro (sorta like those old sovok rocket connectors, 'only gotta hammer it once and the pins will bend...' )
asciilifeform: re 'postgres' vs 'mysql' -- afaik they're entirely compatible, such as they are used in my item, with the exceptions of: 1) table indices 2) dump format.
asciilifeform: btw diana_coman actually #20 contains mistake, in temp mirrors 1st set up 'nginx' as in older system, then 'apache' to compare whether made diff in re performance (it did not) . ( putting this here, rather than to spam mp's www with 9000 errata comments.. )
asciilifeform: PeterL: ben_vulpes & trinque's orig bot actually worked this way. from the added complexity of multithread, had other problems entirely.
asciilifeform: i dun irc in it, or read www, or compose music, or...
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933181 << ~90% of bus in washingtonistan, run on compressed propane nao. ( massive tank on roof )
asciilifeform: ( lamport did not offer a 'wat-do if N parties can't agree on 'prev line'', if he had thought about this, bitcoin would have existed, at least as algo, in 1990... )
asciilifeform: e.g. bitcoin -- seen through this lens -- is simply a generalization of lamport's sync .
asciilifeform: see also lamport's piece re subj. ( actually from same period ) .
asciilifeform: ( incidentally -- as gedankenexperiment -- even 1980s irc ~could~ have been built so as to force a sync. simply force erry issued line to carry a checksum of the prev. seen. and if wrong -- you get eggog back, and asked to resend. but no one was even giving a nanoshit about 'agree on order' etc, quite obviously )
asciilifeform: ( this ~is~ afaik 1st time that anyone attempted orchestra of synchronized bots )
asciilifeform: so that knob (not implemented yet) becomes just about worthless even in principle. but this is only tip of iceberg -- if the db's diverge arbitrarily, how wouldja go about syncing gaps, other than by hand.
asciilifeform: yes, in that when errybody has own logger, and uses it to echo, nobody will have anyffin resembling a complete index of backlinks
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if had ...logger-a/log/trilema/.../#12345... and ...logger-b/log/trilema/.../#12345... go to same place, then their www can reliably point all links to self ( for e.g. backlinkage , when implemented) otherwise not
asciilifeform: hm so for which was it ? why did the dump need to be sed'd ?
asciilifeform: hm i was thinking diana_coman actually ran 'sed' on the db dump
asciilifeform fwiw has not yet manually fiddled the db in any way -- i.e. phf's imports are as they were found. the 1 'hand' fix was when dropped the botched eat of #e and reran w/ lobbes's corrected eater.py . but all url's are as-they-were atm.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma manually set off my dump, if this helps ( can grab it in 10s or so)
asciilifeform: ( the lamp is apparently good for 10-20 yrs, in these )
asciilifeform: re that thrd, asciilifeform prolly will succumb to temptation to buy rubidium clock ( they're apparently laffably cheap, 100-200 bux or so, massive pile of surplus from gsm towers ) but this aint a solution as such, i aint about to ask ~erryone~ to buy one and build the 10mhz-to-pc-clock box for same. asciilifeform is simply tired of his own clocks drifting all over.
asciilifeform: ( for that matter, asciilifeform still not attempted to correct divergence vs. phf's bot, which came from the uniturds crapola 3w ago )
asciilifeform: ( not to mention, impedes an imho important function of having multiple bots, i.e. where can substitute links if 1 fails )
asciilifeform: the divergence thing is gonna back backlinkage implementation very painful
asciilifeform manually walked the log-raw/ dumps, found
asciilifeform: trinque: example with ftdi .
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness -- if anyone has a trb that aint in my addnode ( the piz nodes -- already are in ) and would like it included -- plox to comment.
asciilifeform: went to 'compromise'.
asciilifeform: ( from my pov -- making the sig optional was ~the~ shitoshi design bug, all the other retardations are scarcely anything if stood in comparison to it )
asciilifeform: whereas the 4000 or however many pseudonodes making up the claimed heathen net -- simply get in the way.
asciilifeform: to formalize : asciilifeform's current hypothesis is that there is a thin 'tube' of trb-compat. nodes b/w pekin & trb orchestra. responsible for 100% of new blox.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i noticed that your db snapshot link dun go yet. here is example, how mine worx. and here is the crontab. can adjust paths for yours.
asciilifeform: will be lulzy if we even end up with bigger net than fleanode, simply from the junk boxen people ~already~ have.
asciilifeform: be sure to compare identical pgs when timing ( this tripped me earlier )
asciilifeform: all of asciilifeform's attempts at escape to date, only ended with deeper pit.
asciilifeform: mod6: oh hm. can haz dumpblock of 450-451 plox ?
asciilifeform: nighty mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: btw for that heathen dump, the conversion is xxd -r -p liquishit.txt > liquishit.bin .
asciilifeform: girlattorney: i'm quite certain presently that you're right, and the packets from south a. go through north a. always. simply based on delay measurements to date.
asciilifeform: rather than to compete with arpa's
asciilifeform: girlattorney: bitcoin net presently ~worx simply because 'impossible to fool ~all~ of the people ~all~ of the time'(tm)(r) via ip hijinks
asciilifeform: girlattorney: observe that there is no attempt at authenticating peers in the existing trb. you could easily be connecting to washington's node when thinking yer connecting to e.g. mp_en_viaje's. at one time i published an experimental patch where can route to people you personally know via ssh pipes, but currently not in use anywhere afaik.
asciilifeform: possibly mp_en_viaje's or spyked's
asciilifeform: diana_coman: observe btw that the bot config allows to put ~list~ of fleanode endpoints. so it is not necessary to use the default rotation dnsism, can in fact do like mp_en_viaje does and put list of favourites
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i think it needs a green light from mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932215 << that comp case, btw, may have been an inept clone of 1 of my current ones, where ps goes in bottom and ~intake~ fan sucks cold air through filter in the bottom panel. but the orcs did not bother evidently to think about why, and... decided to put ~hot~ end there !
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932202 << ada imho is uniquely unsuited to 'munge 9000 strings' type of proggy. so not sure whether would ever want pg glue in it. any attempt to use, will be tremendously ugly
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aa ok, wasn't hanbot. i was thinking i was merely thick.
asciilifeform: ohai mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma cycle the dumper manually . go and load the 'raw dump link' in 30s or so. (and if anyone speaks between now and when you import it, can fill the hole with the raw export knob and eater.py )
asciilifeform: it's appropriately scaled/compressed
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i tested the bot by setting chan to e.g. #asciilifeform-test . can do similar, then you can use whatever unregged nick etc (dun fughet to set pw to empty then)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932159 << mod_xyz is only really needed with ancient horrors like php, which otherwise sink 1e9 cpu cycles on revving up the interpreter with ~each~ www req. for items that serve themselves up on a port, dun need mod_xyz, can simply fwd port
asciilifeform fwiw suspects that most ada proggies dun even use preemptible threads -- they spawn N threads and they run until the warhead detonates..
asciilifeform: i was orig. planning to attempt a cuntoo for 'm' but then barfed
asciilifeform: and certainly in comparison to asciilifeform's fossilized gentoo currently in use
asciilifeform: perhaps brazil will buy the place, for nuke waste dump.
asciilifeform: i doubt ( and esp. after mp barfed ) that anyone would buy live argentines at any price point . it's like trying to sell sewer rats. normally you gotta ~pay~ someone to trap & remove these.
asciilifeform: their 'wait for his corpse to float by'(tm) school of thought, is more impenetrable imho than their hieroglyphs.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma jump with a parachute made of garbage bags before writing www-facing proggy in c, but maybe that's just me..
asciilifeform: the log viewer represented in the vtree simply serves itself on given local port when it runs. which you can then fwd to wherever.
asciilifeform: (imho entirely doable, i emulated an entire fucking comp, with mmu, uart, clock, in <13kB proggy)
asciilifeform: with implementation weighing a few dozen kB.
asciilifeform: there's imho a ~huge~ chunk of problem domain that is begging for a simple, well-specified, ~frozen~ scripting lang.
asciilifeform: i demonstrated, in 'm', how to write nontrivial proggies w/out libc or any c glue whatsoever, or any compiler dependency whatsoever.
asciilifeform: ( mp is fond of old php , but it suffers from 100% of same headaches , and in fact even slower , esp. if the job is even slightly moar complicated than wp ; he arrived at it same way i did at 'flask' -- picked up decade ago and 'it worx, i'ma pour cement on this' )
asciilifeform: when i 1st sat down to write it, thought 'ada', then realized that simply to make the necessary glue would take a year, and that's if did nuffin else.
asciilifeform: ( recall thread, where 'simple script lang where can sockets etc' )
asciilifeform: i simply used the item that was known to work solidly w/ phuctor, when wrote the logger, was all.
asciilifeform: both lobbes and diana_coman , lemme know when yer ready to sync, i'ma manually refresh the db dump
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: any news on your front ? ( in particular, found reasonably-priced castle for mp ? )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931846 << ameritards wrote books where all examples given in translit ! moar or less guaranteeing that whoever studies from these, can only parrot -- and poorly, the phonemes dun correspond to the eng ones ( tho funnily enuff they mostly exist in ru )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931856 << aint catastrophically burning, troo; but it does block import of pre-'dragon' log until fixed (and, current log links may in fact slowly break as machine clock drifts )
asciilifeform: ( for folx not following in depth -- fleanode does not emit timestamps; they come from local machine where a given logotron ran when it logged a line )
asciilifeform: my present take on all of this : it ~is~ possible for loggers to agree on ~order~ of lines ( albeit in corner cases, difficult ). however it is not possible for them to properly agree re absolute time. ( and in fact the timestamps in the imported logs are all over the place )
asciilifeform: trinque: this would simply throw the problem into the lap of people trying to make own loggers that sync with mine.
asciilifeform: trinque: dun seem like any standard-compliant www end ( front or back ) ever sees # or any text after.
asciilifeform: currently closest thing i had to a workable idea is /chan/idx#x ( where #x is simply a fixed string ) and generated page contains #x in the right pos, and coloured line there.
asciilifeform: ( the reason for this itch is that i have found it to be impossible to guarantee that all dates agree )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform was 1 time 'lucky' enuff to find an edge case where gimp barfed and had to resort to a heathen photo editor on toilet box . ( stitching segments of photos that weighed GB+ , in the lispm reversing series. on very similar irons, the heathen proggy ran, gimp -- ground to halt. i suspect gimp has some o(n^2)-isms in it. )
asciilifeform liked 'gimp' , aside from the asinine window system. even got it to work with electric pen thing at one pt
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: per my lights, 'gimp' died years ago, when went to 'mandatory' gtk3 .
asciilifeform: unlike expert entomologists like mircea_popescu , trinque , et al, i dun have much contact with the 'illiterate 20yos' set, but enuff to know that they somehow think 'rich' is what their employed older brothers , parents, are, they have no concept of the real thing even in head
asciilifeform: the poor zeks gave much moar impression of being ~tired~ of life, rather than belligerent .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931572 << i suspect exaggerated. even when i went to heart of lafondistan, 'darkest africa', when attempted to buy dilapidated building -- went into where the orcs were, their 'food depot' even, and no one put knife in, no one even spat in asciilifeform's face or even could be aroused to utter insult
asciilifeform: if i knew how to do this in antarctica -- would do it there. would prefer the company of the penguins to ameri-muppets, verily.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: btw occurs to me , you have a 'copa' counter in BingoBoingostan somewhere. consider inquiring what costs round trip ~from~ BingoBoingostan. it isn't impossible that it'd be cheaper for BingoBoingo to ~pick up~ crates.
asciilifeform did not complain, got to sleep horizontally...
asciilifeform: 'copa' is... interesting co. for instance, return flight got stuck in panama for extra 20min on acct of some fuckwit who couldn't fit his ~box of cakes~ into overhead compartment.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931500 << incidentally i priced 'fexed', their cost is actually comparable to ' asciilifeform-ex ' . problem is that all fedex'd crates end up getting the full orc treatment.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of 'starting to bump against an objective limit', it's starting to look like ethernet switch bulk is the limiting reactant for 'how many rk/similar can pack into box'
asciilifeform: for thrd-completeness, also painfully missing are back/fwd linkages a la phf, but these need working date/era handling before i even dare to touch the q
asciilifeform: ( whereas 'ntpism' , i.e. networked clocks, make sense in 0 case, it's simply riotously dumb idea, packet delay aint deterministic . ntpism is pure inca scamola. )
asciilifeform: atm i also suspect that a certain % of links imported from 'era 2' (phf's april 2016 -- aug. 2019) also do not go where expected, on acct of clock difference b/w the boxen.
asciilifeform: meanwhile : phf's vintage log imports on testbed. however : certain uniturds decode strangely ( e.g. ru-style double-quote turns into accented A ) ; and link-dekakoizer will need db lookup to determine snsabot-correct date for given index # (else the links do not go where expected) .
asciilifeform: brasil doesn't compete in the nato golden cannon market tho
asciilifeform: hey asciilifeform one time sat down into 1 of those chinese comp. chairs where there's no iron plate against the piston. but miraculously bounced off.
asciilifeform will have to implement 'era 1' handling of log links 1st; hasn't done yet
asciilifeform: phf: i'ma swallow yours and invite anyone who thinks he has gap fillers to compare , then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for my education, work through example where vpn customer starts sending spam. how do i even determine ~which one it was~ w/out loudly and publicly breaking the promise to the customers which makes the idea of relay appealing to start with ?
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm not even convinced that 'pedos' in the contemplated sense , physically exist. it's simply the costume usg puts on when bulldozing isps.
asciilifeform: btw, for n00bz : try some time and actually subscribe to a 'vpnism'. you'll quickly see 9000 spam/day offering other products for the irredeemably-gullible, same as if you order 'colloid silver' or similar snake oil. it's a conveniently-affixed leper's bell on obvious, broad-daylight scamola of erry kind, they trade lists of chumps
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the tree trunk in asciilifeform's eye, the mote in other's, simply examples!111
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this aint even the most egregious example, there's trb patches ~by asciilifeform~ that have since been reground that iirc i haven't signed yet
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1930905 << 'format hdd' was merely example, did say 'or subtler vandalism'
asciilifeform: this also touches so far strictly cost of pipe, and omits cost of disposal of the 1st 'genius' who starts serving 'pedo club' or spam emporium or whatever other attractive nuisance via his acct
asciilifeform: most immediately yes. current pipe would comfortably seat -- and that's if it were otherwise empty -- perhaps 4 or 5 warez leechers
asciilifeform: asciilifeform attempted frontal attack of ^ problem, but broke teeth, 0 to show for it.
asciilifeform: grr where was that classic photo of 'mp light bulb'
asciilifeform: afaik lobbes is the current champ in 'replicate asciilifeform's logger' , has working copy, and i expect will say moar later
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930756 << ftr, right nao it loox like : pg_dump nsalog | gzip > /home/nsabot/log_db.gz; and on dulap , eats <8sec . ( getting the output to other boxes, however... )
asciilifeform: ^ 1 example of db job where traditional sqlistic db (which presumes need for inexpensive mutability and complex queries) aint appropriate
asciilifeform: after phuctor, where dataset is 100+GB , puzzlers like log search felt comparatively painless
asciilifeform: iirc phf didn't bother with indexing, simply kept all of log in memory and did equiv. of grep. but this only scales to a point.
asciilifeform: could. but then search is complicated, you do want to index the text
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930655 << this is potentially good idea, and iirc mircea_popescu described a recipe where can even be made from straight mp's-wp
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930585 << and yes we need erry possible expertise! BingoBoingo yer 1st q for trinque oughta have been 'what'll it cost' . this being said, we're flat outta what to sell, it is impermissible to delay any longer the irons !
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wat is this.. it would seem that trinque is offering his services ? why the immediate refusal? find out what he would like in recompense, and what offers.
asciilifeform: ftr imho a box that wants FG ~during~ boot, oughta have it on an actual rs232 port -- these get init'd very simply quite early during boot
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930507 << writing can happen after machine fully booted, neh ? e.g. root-owned process will simply dd if=/dev/ttyUSBx of=/dev/random
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think trinque & ben also walked in with this, given as they used a heathen 'cl-irc' lib for some reason (thinking, i suspect, 'irc, grrr, gnarly to implement' )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930302 << i got distinct impression that trinque is ripping own hair out from grrr re bugs in the (quite gnarly, i think was written in n00b yrs) cl bot
asciilifeform: ... their coad example. observe how yes they added paren, but... with various infixisms somehow still preserved and freely intermixed ?!!
asciilifeform: lobbes: aha. i made no attempt to clean out the spamola, it will remain unless mircea_popescu asks ' drop xyz where... ' etc
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930234 << near as i can tell , mp drilled him a new arse and consigned him to штрафбат for cowering in a cave for yr+ , rather than for sitting in hospital. ( see also mp's 'nickel' article )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930229 << ftr i agree entirely with this , but -- did write bot, when mp blew into the bugle, sometimes gotta be done
asciilifeform doesn't give a damn in either direction, the archive doesn't weigh even within order of magnitude enuff to impact overall speed of indexing in any detectable way
asciilifeform: thinkin' about it moar -- mircea_popescu et al, if you wanna nix the spamola, simplest way is to import the db and sort the users, there's i think 100 or so spamola nicks , could simply drop'em if want.
asciilifeform: aaand the db dump has been triggered manually ( it takes approx 10sec ) , in case anyone wants to get his hands on the updated db Right Nao .
asciilifeform: archives remaining to import : #a ( if ben_vulpes turns up, i'd like to use his mimisbrunnr log to close the gaps; otherwise will use own znc ) ; #p ( again ditto )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, lobbes , et al : prolly could easily purge ~100% of spam, simply by detecting these. lemme know if you want.
asciilifeform: these ^ however are empty in lobbes's orig. archive snapshot.
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG lobbes et al : the #e archive created earlier by lobbes , is now imported into http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/eulora . as usual plox to report any oddities .
asciilifeform contemplates what a bvt-style dissection of the current 'urandom' might reveal.
asciilifeform: seems to spec a somewhat diff item than originally contemplated tho ( where all userland proggies are guaranteed to get, if slowly, actual unique FG bits )
asciilifeform officially stumped re how to convert mircea_popescu's formalism into program. perhaps bvt will crack this nut ? presently it eludes me.
asciilifeform: i'm stumped on what 'can not tell you, because you do not read' means in physical terms.
asciilifeform: then i'm defo thick. let's work example ? machine booted up 5min ago. ergo primary FG buffer contains ~2MB. now i'ma a user, and i ask for dd if=/dev/random of=foo bs=1M count=3 , i.e. 3MB. nao what ?
asciilifeform: you still gotta rate-limit the users' reads tho, or 1 could empty whole thing in burst, starving the rest, neh
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930033 << naively seems to asciilifeform that whole thing oughta be replaced with a single ring buffer, where 1) root can write 2) users can read (w/ settable max byte/sec quota/ea. perhaps) 3) erry read consumes a segment of the buffer, i.e. no 2 users get same chunk of FG tape 4) if buffer empties, machine goes into single-user mode and rings alarm .
asciilifeform: ( for the curious : 'erlang' had 0 'shared memory' b/w threads. all inter-thread motion was in the form of messages (received in 'atomic' queues internally). these could consist of whatever -- symbols (a la lisp) , for simple 'a/b/c' cases ; strings of bits; etc. a message could be eaten, or forwarded to yet another thread, or even sent back to the sender. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i keep coming back in my notes to the swedes, simply b/c in their notation, a 'bulletproof' net of mutually-synchronized bots is suddenly ~trivial.
asciilifeform: author (one armstrong, recently dead) sewed it by taking various fp langs of the time, and mercilessly cutting cpu-expensive features (e.g. the infamous np-complete reductor of prolog, the 'lazy' of haskell, etc)
asciilifeform: imho would be 9000x better to simply steal the technique and port to e.g. cmucl .
asciilifeform actually has working copy of that compiler, 'erlang' , from 2000s (i.e. before the webtards got to 'improving' it) if anyone at some pt wants to experiment with this particular sunken uboat
asciilifeform: important point also -- ssd in raid never wins, only loses speed
asciilifeform: algo -- simple, you pull the 1 that a) has nonzero write failure counter, or if none such, b) the one with highest blocks-written count .
asciilifeform: rright. wedge could easily be happening on acct of some idjit perl running on a crab usg clamped to cable in bermuda triangle...
asciilifeform: not yet stuck (or even bumped, other than by my own hand) .
asciilifeform: trinque: i haven't attempted an under-znc variant of yet
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: relatedly, the trad ru 'ethno-slur' for poles, 'пшеки', is quite a bit like 'пшик', what nominally spray can says.
asciilifeform: 'they're pretty much the only linguistic group very much in danger of mistaking industrial sounds for speech. Careful if you, for instance, use a can of compressed air to clean an old motherboard -- it's entirely possible the resulting vijiieli, indistinct as they may sound to your ear, nevertheless insult the Polish passerby's long dead relatives in the sauciest of manners.' << asciilifeform falls down.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: tasty looking foodz btwr
asciilifeform: compl. w/ 'i want dog but woman won't let' and the like
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: kako had dependopotamus ?!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: rright, but not only this, but packet switching is nuffin like straight wire , is monstrously slow vs theoretical
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc he described it at length even before, languished for years with dependopotamus
asciilifeform: lobbes: when you stand up bot, make sure to change prefix knob ( both for when you arrange with mp_en_viaje to voice it in #t, but especially in the other chans, where if you fughet to change knob, it will step on the feet of mine )
asciilifeform: ty mp_en_viaje .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje if you've 1s, time curl http://18.195.64.227/log/trilema/2018-04-18#1802801 > /dev/null
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mp_en_viaje , spyked , et al : http://18.195.64.227/log << copy of 'rubbish mirror', identical (same 'dollar store' pseudo-isp) but this one in frankfurt. try the same timing w/ it.
asciilifeform: atm it seems quite impossible even to say which ~generates~ the pgs faster -- the diff, if any, is entirely dwarfed by pipe effects
asciilifeform: btw for thread-completeness, heavy page loaded locally on the shitbox consumes avg. of 0.2s.
asciilifeform: i expect at some pt mp will say to anyone in l1 who aint running a logger, 'партбилет на стол!'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from this pt i'ma follow the prescription mp gave during last 'wai slow' thrd -- leave it alone, there aint much to be done re to speed it up ( as imho conclusively showed that the pipe is to blame ). will move on to other matters ( import of historic logs ; fix of reported catastrophic bugs, incl. the resync of numeration mp asked for ; and then to get back to ffa ! )
asciilifeform: ( in the mirror example, we get it in the reverse direction, but seems to be that same ~0.5s ! )
asciilifeform: i suppose for completeness will mention an alt-hypothesis -- somehow nic on dulap is culprit.
asciilifeform: the logger does not depend on dnsism to work ( can set the domain in /etc/hosts like e.g. mp does )
asciilifeform: diana_alt: reasons to suspect the pipe, include this: i have stood up temporarily a raw flask on port 33. try time curl "http://logs.nosuchlabs.com:33/log" > /dev/null
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plz perform the simple experiment suggested by diana_alt and tell result.
asciilifeform: neither phuctor nor logger is written in such a way as to force the choice of either nginx or apache as the front-side proxy, will eat either just the same. simply requires the appropriate config.
asciilifeform: i get (and on rather slow machine) load time for the 'heavy' example page comparable to the time it takes for the mouse button to go up an' down.
asciilifeform: diana_alt: if you press the vtree and set up the logger on own box, where you happen to be, and import the daily db dump, can then observe the 'native' speed of the thing.
asciilifeform: diana_alt: fwiw i was not, to date, able to rule out mp's 'overworked pipe' hypothesis .
asciilifeform: that one pretty certain was a 'tits service' candidate who turned out to be some d00d, compl. w/ stubble
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: that was in the "alice_m" thrd.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it was in an old trilema piece, the one about 'sprezzatura'
asciilifeform: (granted -- the victims did 99% of the work for him, by packing into ridiculous small space and stampeding )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc record holder in usa to this day ( re total count ) was the 'happiland' d00d, where 80+ on 3 litres of petrol
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-18#1929520 << imho the correct historical comparison would be, rather, mcarthur's 'fire jobs', rather than modern-day item made for puncturing fortifications.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho this patient oughta go straight to mp's operating room, if he'll have him
asciilifeform: can go straight here, if mp dun object
asciilifeform: lobbes: there had been ad-hoc attempts by heathens to add signatures to patches (e.g. linus's) but afaik all permitted 'fuzzy'.
asciilifeform: lobbes: in traditional heathen patching, gnupatch will attempt to shoehorn a patch into place for so long as it does not entirely conflict with the existing text
asciilifeform: recall isis colonel who posted jpeg of his position, complete with coords, to arsebook.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: naturally. bedouins, neh.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: pretty sure it was linked. and imho not entirely surprising -- these folx were still sitting in trees when europe was puzzling over jurisprudence . so naturally they will write 'buggy reimplementation of 80% of lis^H^H^H justinian et al' , just as they 'invent' caesar's cipher etc
asciilifeform: empire of rome detectably 'wanted' to be something like today's reich, aha. didn't have the industrial process to make it stick tho.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: as far as i can tell, they ~tried~ to '51st state'. problem is that inca can't even fully digest 1 baltimore, merely 1 small (physically large, but not so habitated) town where folx willing to ~sometimes~ shoot, much less entire iraq.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as mp pointed out on numerous occasions, there is no substantive diff b/w argentina and usa, britain, etc. rest of reich.
asciilifeform: this reduces arguably to mp_en_viaje's old piece where 'height of the towers'. yes, tower is tall, but... yer in a tower.
asciilifeform: i see no reason to suppose that usg's 'computerized' planes behave any diff. from e.g. cisco's routers. ( and the turks appear to agree , fwiw )
asciilifeform disclaims : not pilot. but arrived at this hypothesis not entirely from empty space.
asciilifeform: ( all 'magic coads' aside -- flyers depend on massive and well-oiled supply chain; picked -- and not merely by bureaucrats, but by the very modern machine's similarity to programmable comp -- for 'colouring in the lines' ; prolly suffices. )
asciilifeform: and consequently that pilot (dun matter what personal courage, physical strength, etc) for so long as stays in the profession, is at the mercy of process much like what mp described re comp operators
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929364 << rereading this classic, had grim thought : consider the q mp_en_viaje posed at the end, 'Why is it, exactly, that the pilots didn't come home with a bunch of Iraqi slaves ?' :
asciilifeform would much like folx to start pressing the tree , and experimenting with own hands , rather than simply bringing tips to asciilifeform to make patch
asciilifeform: trinque's sample is a+++ imho. oughta go in.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and perhaps also , the 'Account management is done through RSA process' oughta point to mp's 'social engineering' article
asciilifeform: trinque: apropos -- i took the liberty to put piz banner on http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/ ( btw open to improvements, if someone knows how to draw... )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929178 << these btw are mutilated, as per mp's description, on erry terminal i have. evidently bakers of uniturd standard never bothered to open a maffs schoolbook...
asciilifeform: ty phf , mp_en_viaje, lobbes .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 0 eggog on dulap-side log.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje when you wake up, plox to reissue the barfologies if you still have'em handy. whole episode may easily be 'coarse error of pilotage' of asciilifeform
asciilifeform: let's live-fire lobbes's example:
asciilifeform would like to add hexdump logging on all eggog, before resetting the main bot
asciilifeform: phf: ty; appears to be the reason for the barf seen vs. lobbes's collection of barfolade. nao need to reproduce mp_en_viaje's
asciilifeform: representative example barfology from test using lobbes's turd last night in #asciilifeform-test
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929071 << the interesting bit is that i got 0 barf when importing phf's log (i.e. including all of the historic uniturds seen in log in 'era 2')
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje when you wake up, plz describe how you actually got the barfola into yer irc client, so can reproduce.
asciilifeform: (i.e. #asciilifeform-test bot happily eats 100% of the examples )
asciilifeform: nao will have to see wtf it was that mp_en_viaje found (3 'magick' turds ? )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: worx same in mine, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=%F0%9F%9C%B0&chan=trilema
asciilifeform: and whoever doesn't like it, can write own logger. and if mp_en_viaje wants to tear off my epaulettes and make own logger in cobol, he can.
asciilifeform: unless someone supplies, in next coupla days, a simple AND WORKING pill, i'ma do this : anything coming into the bot that dun decode cleanly as utf8, will have the offending chars (i.e. any with 8th bit set) replaced with that glyph that depicts a steaming pile of shit.
asciilifeform: 'I mean literally, the guy's from Washitistan, they write things with their own excrement there, and the Unicode Foundation introduced actual excrement in the standard so now whenever someone asks for the networking code in your project they are delivered physical faeces on cardboard. About fifty eight acres of it. Where would you like this put, sir ?' (tm)(r)(mp)
asciilifeform: why the fuck is this even a good idea ? to support arbitrary liquishit in logs ? imho the Right Thing would be 'if you want yer logs imported or echoed, put'em into utf8 or stuff up arse' .
asciilifeform: lobbes: would it be difficult to park lobbesbot temporarily in #asciilifeform-test ?
asciilifeform: lobbes, mp_en_viaje , et al : strangely, having problem reproducing the unibarf discovered by lobbes . pasting the text from the barf samples into test chan, doesn't produce the expected barf, it gets eaten normally
asciilifeform: lemme guess, it came to mp_en_viaje in a spam ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i distinctly recall that it in fact is 1 of those 'indian coad' wwws that randomly drops db commits
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'oldcunt lobby' prolly Officially holds that gurlz 'peak' at 55. they can apply their standard, i can apply other.
asciilifeform: rright but digg iirc in '07 or around, emptied