spyked quite enjoys reading lobbes' philosophical posts
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-18 20:24:30 BingoBoingo: In updates, Povey says he might stop by.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-19 13:50:01 asciilifeform: diana_alt: fwiw i was not, to date, able to rule out mp's 'overworked pipe' hypothesis .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-19 14:04:28 asciilifeform: diana_alt: i have plan to move the box to traditional apache, but yet not figured out how to do so w/out unacceptably long disruption of service .
mp_en_viaje would like to take the time to point this out re ye olde discussion of "is something to learn / is nothing to learn", coming up oft re gosspid but generally always there. "to learn" is insanely vague an operator. just because you don't learn anything useful [about programming] while doing, say, python, it still dun mean you don't learn anything useful about your girflriend, or the tcp infrastructure, or router hardware, or the difference be
mp_en_viaje: shrysr, what the heck are you doing, anyways ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 07:47:16 mp_en_viaje: would like to take the time to point this out re ye olde discussion of "is something to learn / is nothing to learn", coming up oft re gosspid but generally always there. "to learn" is insanely vague an operator. just because you don't learn anything useful [about programming] while doing, say, python, it still dun mean you don't learn anything useful about your girflriend, or the tcp infrastructure, or router hardware, or the difference be
mp_en_viaje: but the important point is, METHODOLOGY. science, not as "the profession" nor as "the professional activity", but as the occupation, science as in, productive, not science as in, socially acceptable -- IS A BEHAVIOUR. that's all it is, applying a method systematically.
mp_en_viaje: meaning that all prediction as to the future is to be based on METHODOLOGICAL considerations. how well the method was applied, and how uniformly, over how homogenous a sample with how good expected coverage. that's all.
mp_en_viaje: "traditional" (no they aren't) heuristic valuations of activity imported from the practices and intellectual habits of the herd of idiots are NOT USEFUL. how "boring" or "interesting" or "
sexy" or whatever things seem, truly the on;ly saviour is the method ; which is why trilema can be interesting whatever i discuss, be it defecation or obscure byzantine minutia, whereas the herd of idiots c
mp_en_viaje: an't be interesting even when discussing interesting topics.
mp_en_viaje: ~any woman'd rather read me write in defense of rape than watch charlie branson-sheen derp about
like little bois. the reason is ~THE METHOD~, not the subject, not "oh mp is rich" -- seriously, wtf -- not anything else.
mp_en_viaje: -science-on-my-penis-first/?b=Third&e=date.#select][the very substance of science], BECAUSE it is ~the scientific METHOD~.
mp_en_viaje: on the first pass it appears as a complete disinterest in "feelings", but it fundamentally is a method for the valuation of human activity. and therefore complete ethics and a set of morals. co
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-19 16:52:17 asciilifeform: this experiment also reveals that asciilifeform's logotron will in fact stand up, with no modifications, on a python, flask, pg, etc. plucked out of arbitrary rubbish bin.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-19 17:35:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hard to say for fact, but seems to add up to a picture where's there's a ~0.5s bottleneck b/w south amer. and errywhere else.
mp_en_viaje is too lazy to try and dust off ye olde netcraft toolset an' look
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-19 21:55:06 asciilifeform: i expect at some pt mp will say to anyone in l1 who aint running a logger, 'партбилет на стол!'(tm)(r)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-19 21:20:26 asciilifeform: ftr gets ~80kB/s avg. from dulap, there.
mp_en_viaje is writing an article and then hopping on a plane, but in principle.
mp_en_viaje: course land distance to frankfurt is ~1k km
bvt: hi, sorry for delay on the linux rng post, it is in fact ~ready, but i need one more day for proofreading
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 04:38:22 spyked: quite enjoys reading lobbes' philosophical posts
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 18:31:09 asciilifeform: diana_coman, mp_en_viaje , spyked , et al :
http://18.195.64.227/log << copy of 'rubbish mirror', identical (same 'dollar store' pseudo-isp) but this one in frankfurt. try the same timing w/ it.
lobbes: meanwhile, I've been looking at some dedicated server options, primarily for a second trb node on a proper ssd, but I will stand up a 'production' copy of asciilifeform's logotron as well
lobbes: will do. yeah, I didn't get the bot portion running on my local test box, nor did I do port forwarding, but the reader.py and database portions were up and running pretty smoothly
lobbes: and by 'didn't get' I mean 'simply didn't attempt'
lobbes: my archiver and the original lobbesbot still run on sqlite
lobbes: auctionbot (which sits on the logbot tree) however is postgres
lobbes: really simple to backup the database too when it is just a single 'file'. cron and scp ftw
mp_en_viaje: in other news, dude lobbes dodged a dependopotamus bullet ?
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: ooyeah. still need to get her out of my damn house though (I'm in an apartment now)
lobbes: asciilifeform: roger that re: knob
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, if 43 ms in diameter then 135 in circumference ; and moreover information doesn't quite flow at the speed of light in our machines.
lobbes: then I need to sell that damn house. never doing the 'mortgage' thing again. the logs were right (as always)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-06-30 02:02:16 asciilifeform: i suspect it aint the one he has, fwiw, but rather the one in that jewish tale where rabbi tells man 'bring into your house the cow, goat, sheep, then chase'em out sometimes and rejoice in their absence'
lobbes: asciilifeform: haha no I've never heard. but would read sauce
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, well, worked out better for you than for kako, at least so far.
lobbes: same here. seems to get a lot of folks (wasn't the thickastheives guy in a similar boat?)
mp_en_viaje: no, afaik tha tguy was in same boat as pete_d, where the girl's daddy's the victim and the dude's just... you know, like those little male spiders ? dependopotamus accessories.
lobbes: I'm just very thankful I never got married / had kids; the state being involved would have made this even harder to break free from
lobbes: ah that was the thread I was remembering; the airport one
lobbes: that article, man. It is what set the gears in my head in motion. Read it on a plane flight some years ago and realized I was walking into a trap
lobbes: I took way too long to act of course, but oh well
mp_en_viaje: everyone takes too long to act ~retrispectively~. it's part of the same bonus package of fonts as "treason never prospers"
mp_en_viaje: poland does very well in terms of fine dining.
mp_en_viaje: i suspect it's actually better than france right now.
trinque: asciilifeform: your setup with znc + ssl-less ircbot never gets stuck eh?
trinque: sorry about the outage y'all; I'm going to do ^ next
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 4d 10h 59m
trinque: I had forgotten the email registration part actually, so I guess bot pwd mitm somewhat mitigated by that
trinque: k, has to be the ssl garbage then.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-01-02 11:38:20 asciilifeform: if one absolutely insists on that feature, prolly Right Thing would be to patch bot so can hang off a znc ( i tried this with own hands, but failed, the existing item is apparently tailored to fleanode-direct connection )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 21:17:29 asciilifeform: lobbes: i imagine getting rid of dependopotamus must rock, even more than 'expel the cow and the goat' in the chelem tale. suddenly all the surfaces 2x cleaner, the bag o' benjies 'magically' fuller...
trinque: asciilifeform: will find time this weekend to do the minimal duct tape to keep the thing connected, probably amounts to simply lopping off ssl
trinque: asciilifeform: not even just here; I wrote some production services elsewhere in sbcl, used cl+ssl as dep, same wedging
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 15:01:22 asciilifeform: atm i vaguely suspect that tcp on piz is slowed by an inept wiretap somewhere.
trinque: heh, in the environment in which these ran, the mitm comes standard
trinque: lobbes: you know, mircea_popescu asked me this when I told a similar tale of misbehaving woman wrecking the home.
trinque: now I'll turn it your direction. ever told her no before the exchange in your post?
lobbes: trinque: very rarely, and honestly I "caved in" way too often
lobbes: like asciilifeform said, "if you don't leash pet, it will leash you". and it happened
lobbes: we were together 8 years, mind. Living together for 7 of those 8, which made me ~23 when we got together. I was even dumber then, and the bad habits were engrained long before I got a clue
trinque: don't even think I was calling you stupid.
trinque: just pointing out that when you start telling 'em what, could possibly even have a *happy and productive* home
snsabot: Logged on 2016-09-16 22:54:18 trinque: BingoBoingo: aha, in fact there was a thread where mircea_popescu explained that y'know, you teach the women things
snsabot: Logged on 2016-09-16 22:55:19 mircea_popescu: trinque fancy that, you had to have someone tell you! nature teaches by example, you stick more data into woman each time than you ever did into all machines you ever touched. yet...
lobbes: this is a point indeed (btw no worries earlier; I was calling myself dumb if anything haha)
lobbes: but it is true that I was also failing *her* by not taking the reigns as I should have. The next girls, however, will be taught properly.
trinque: I think more like "continuous discourse about things which are not stupid" and the rest flows from that
lobbes: this makes sense. But in order for this to happen I know I'll first need to be able to reliably identify things that are/are not stupid. Which, I'm getting better at each day, so there is that. Time is the key I guess
lobbes: and keeping off of the ol' ass, of course
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 20:42:10 asciilifeform: interesting that there's an entire 150ms b/w austria & frankfurt
lobbes: still, roughly the same difference in distance give or take