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billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051923 << just realized you were referring to your ipad's resolution here. those are the physical pixels, true, but the browser viewport converts that 1536x2048 to 768x1024 (since it's a "retina" screen). so to the CSS it's 768x1024
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-10 23:43:10 asciilifeform: billymg: mno, 1536
billymg: anyway, will fix it soon so it works on any screen
cgra: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051577 << whaack sorry, only now noticed your q. i may propose a fix/a set of fixes if capable of producing one, prolly not going to happen very fast anyway
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 16:28:09 whaack: cgra: any chance you're working on the patches for the problems you've discovered?
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051860 << you know, a lot of people think this, and then lose large amounts of money
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-10 20:57:00 asciilifeform: trusts his l1/meat-l1.
punkman: could say meat-l1 is the #1 concern for lottery winner
punkman: also most likely way to get pulled in a MMM/mpex, through meat-l1, at least for conservative/careful folx
punkman: had a fascination with conmen/scammers since forever
punkman: I remember an uncle that got into Herbalife in the 90s. Trying to get every relative to buy ointments, giving them out for free after his stock was getting unwieldy
punkman: uncle was even into bodybuilding, he'd have done so much better with the Herbalife nutrition clubs that they are doing now
punkman: billymg: "Implement a geoIP-lookup feature even though this will require the use of a 3rd party service." << you can download maxmind database and do all the geoip lookups locally.
punkman: "READY TO RETURN THE FUND!" "FAILED TO CONTACT THE POLY. I NEED A SECURED MULTISIG WALLET FROM YOU" "IT'S ALREADY A LEGEND TO WIN SO MUCH FORTUNE. IT WILL BE AN ETERNAL LEGEND TO SAVE THE WORLD. I MADE THE DECISION, NO MORE DAO" "ACCEPT DONATIONS TO "THE HIDDEN SIGNER" NOW. ENCRYPT YOUR MSG WITH HIS PUBKEY."
punkman: more messages from the "hacker"
punkman: would be fun if he "accidentally" burned/locked that shitcoins, then they'd have to fork eth and binance-chain
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051775 << had 1k "wrapped" bitcoins, would have been easy to convert if he cared.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-10 16:53:58 asciilifeform: betcha the e.g. '600m$ heist' wouldn't yield even 10btc if the fella actually sold
punkman: a lot of it was USDcoins, obviously those were the first to be "blacklisted"
punkman: https://twitter.com/BreezeCrypto/status/1425146172264656906 someone found "test" of hack couple weeks ago
punkman: https://twitter.com/kelvinfichter/status/1425217068337713163 lol, apparently all that was needed was 4 byte hash collision
punkman: https://twitter.com/THORChain/status/1425254185482678277 (tards that got hacked last week) "It is unrealistic to expect to be free from bugs or exploits no matter the layers of security, checks and reviews. "
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8gE1XVVUAcWcqz?format=jpg&name=large "IF WE DO NOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT I WILL SEND IT ALL TO DEAD ADDRESS OR FIGURE OUT SOMETHING MORE FUN"
billymg: punkman: hey, that's pretty cool
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-11 05:00:18 punkman: had a fascination with conmen/scammers since forever
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051943 << there are several, imho, processes, going in parallel, and not only 'uninnoculated rubes' such as orig. MMM buyers. for instance, many folx grow up with a solid 'no such thing as free lunch' upbringing, but the jumpers in their heads get pulled off when they get some lucky break (e.g. 2010s btc) and after this think 'what if there are bigger free lunche
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-11 04:54:27 punkman: also most likely way to get pulled in a MMM/mpex, through meat-l1, at least for conservative/careful folx
asciilifeform: s still'
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051942 << more fundamentally, the doom of the lottery winner is the -- for some, irresistible -- to somehow try to ~win a second time~
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-11 04:53:32 punkman: could say meat-l1 is the #1 concern for lottery winner
asciilifeform: 'only millionaire, that's 1 step up from pauper, but what if could be billionaire' etc
asciilifeform: it aint even that there are no warning signs of a scam. simply, the victims willfully ignore'em.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-10 20:35:04 asciilifeform: folx who promise 'growth' -- MMM.
punkman: and he's still doing it, just moved on to Africa/Asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMM_Global
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051940 << there's only 1 sure pill against losing large amts of money; and it's what asciilifeform 'uses', lol
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-11 04:51:38 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051860 << you know, a lot of people think this, and then lose large amounts of money
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-30 10:57:11 asciilifeform: shinohai: chrematism is a disease which only afflicts folx who have what to gamble away.
asciilifeform: punkman: mavrodi croaked in '18
asciilifeform: but yes, lived to bake a shitcoin!
punkman: " Mavrodi launched another pyramid scheme called MMM-2011, asking investors to buy so-called Mavro currency units. He frankly described it as a pyramid, adding "It is a naked scheme, nothing more ... People interact with each other and give each other money. For no reason!""
shinohai: https://twitter.com/WuBlockchain/status/1425463281104277509 <<< The PolyNetwork hacker is amazingly stupid after all.
asciilifeform: incidentally mavrodi's 'prison talks' are a++. afaik not translated to any other langs yet tho.
punkman: heh "The funeral was funded by the investors of МММ-2011."
asciilifeform: shinohai: was pretty clear earlier that the character was a homoredditus
shinohai: I had little hope anything would have come of it anyway, the PolyNetwork team would have eventually went from "Dear Hacker" to "Dear Binance, please reorg this entry in the database" anyway.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051952 << how does this actually work ? ( concretely -- where, physically, are the privkeys for those coinz? )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-11 05:35:57 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051775 << had 1k "wrapped" bitcoins, would have been easy to convert if he cared.
asciilifeform: shinohai: a la etherdao etc
punkman: asciilifeform: have not looked, but something like this, there's a "liquidity pool", you send BTC to some address, you get wrapped btc token on eth-chain.
punkman: obviously "dear hacker" believes in ETH, not BTC
asciilifeform: punkman: that much makes sense, q is how does the btc get ~sent out~
punkman: you send wrapped btc back to pool, get btc out
asciilifeform: right, but at some pt something gotta disgorge a previously-ciphered privkey neh
asciilifeform: where does it live ?
punkman: pool would hold some kind of multi-sig key, but I'm just guessing
asciilifeform guesses that it involves prbisms, e.g. multisig
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-11 06:18:54 punkman: https://twitter.com/THORChain/status/1425254185482678277 (tards that got hacked last week) "It is unrealistic to expect to be free from bugs or exploits no matter the layers of security, checks and reviews. "
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-11 15:07:56 asciilifeform: tangentially, imho absolute best thing that could happen to btc from 'actual commerce' pov -- is that it were to fall to e.g. 100$ and stay there for next decade.
punkman: following all the "indident analysis", it seems clear to me all the "eth experts" barely know what they are doing, and cross-chain stuff is pretty hard to debug
asciilifeform doesn't expect it'll happen tho. short of a gift from the gods in the form of, say, a hamhanded usg ban which kills all goxes or similar
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-02 17:26:51 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049878 << lock down all goxes? pray to satan that it happens!
asciilifeform: punkman: the notion of 'debugging' a ~fundamentally bogus~ proggy such as 'cross-chain coin' -- is rather like 'medicine for a corpse'
punkman: asciilifeform should make GreatFloodDAO
asciilifeform: right after i open atheist church..
punkman: already had atheist church :P
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-11 05:37:20 punkman: a lot of it was USDcoins, obviously those were the first to be "blacklisted"
punkman: "JUST DUMPED ALL ASSETS ON BSC & POLYGON.
punkman: HACKING FOR GOOD, I DID SAVE THE PROJECT"
punkman: apparently he used Monero to buy ETH gas for the attack
asciilifeform: punkman: what's 'bsc' and 'polygon' ?
asciilifeform: polygon iirc was the shitcoin in question ?
punkman: binance has their own smart contract chain, polygon is not polynetwork, it's a protocol and a framework for building and connecting Ethereum-compatible blockchain networks."
punkman: binance has their own everything probably. they have USD coin, own shitcoin, own ethereum (BSC), they even bought coinmarketcap to promote their shit
punkman: basically every big exchange wants their own ethereum, and then they use "protocol" like poly.network or polygon to connect to each other
punkman: maddening nomenclature
punkman: what I'm perplexed by right now, is that all these "automated market makers/liquidity pools" (uniswap, sushiswap, pancakeswap, list goes on) seem to cost $30 or $100 to exchange shitcoins. how can the shitcoinists even use them with five bux worth of dogecoin or whatever
punkman: I kinda want to try to sell some geek art, would be fun pasttime
punkman: perhaps something like "short story + visual items + solve the riddle to win a bitcent"
punkman: was looking at an opensea alternative, saw "items in store: 25,000" "items sold: 402"
punkman: "Most these NFT projects will die like most shitcoins, you were not around in 2017 to have experienced that" << ah the OG from 2017 tell the noobs how it is
punkman: in other crank covid cures: niacin https://osf.io/uec3r/
asciilifeform: billymg: i added link to your noad browser to the watchglass page as well.
billymg: asciilifeform: very cool, glad you're finding it useful so far
asciilifeform: billymg: btw the rockchip link is broken
billymg: oh, hrm
billymg: yeah i see
billymg: asciilifeform: fixed
asciilifeform: billymg: worx!
asciilifeform: billymg: seems like you fixed the css in noad www also
asciilifeform: ( worx w/out scrollism nao )
billymg: nice
asciilifeform: what was the bug ?
billymg: dunno, didn't change anything lol
billymg: could've been cached css
billymg: an older version
billymg: or perhaps a particular user agent string that ran off the page, though those should be contained
billymg: so can't say for sure
asciilifeform: billymg: btw pheature req : see if can add a search box (where searches existing, and if not found, adds to scan queue)
billymg: asciilifeform: noted
asciilifeform: billymg: was looking at your log www -- outta curiosity, is your bot still alive at fleanode ?
billymg: it is
asciilifeform: billymg: i found that mine could no longer connect, demands sslism
billymg: until it falls down
asciilifeform: ( when tried sslism via znc, got only barf )
billymg: asciilifeform: actually, looking at logs it may have finally hit that same snag
billymg: i haven't been connected myself to freenode in a while
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-29 14:20:04 billymg: i started getting this error from freenode sometime this morning as well, although it didn't seem to kick me from the network
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-03 16:43:09 asciilifeform: finally gets off fleanode for good.
asciilifeform: 'You must use TLS/SSL and authenticate via SASL to connect to freenode...' << aha, that one
asciilifeform: didn't seem to work, either ( i had an existing config for this on another box , no dice )
asciilifeform: thing is, what's left on fleanode ? rats and mice ?
asciilifeform: usg and its agent accomplished their mission re fleanode. so, unsurprisingly, the remnant is being flushed down.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-22 11:07:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-22#1047784 << a usg stooge was set up in the role of a 'demented millionaire' to 'buy' and then wreck ye olde fleanode. in parallel with this, the puppeteers set up a
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-22 11:09:14 asciilifeform: adlai: supposedly 'every' popular chan from fleanode, ended up in that mousetrap.
asciilifeform: !q uptime
dulapbot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 56d 13h 35m
billymg: oh yeah, speaking of victims of the reich Vox seems to have followed closely behind BAP in being deplatformed
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-08 17:01:56 billymg: it seems like a missed opportunity. i keep waiting for someone like BAP or Vox to come out and say "i've seen the light, we need to get fucking organized with the tools we use to communicate"
asciilifeform: billymg: do you recall when they pissed away their chance ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-07 23:07:46 asciilifeform: ^ thread where no less than weev refused to host at pizarro. because ohnoez, mah dns, etc
billymg: yeah, i remember that
asciilifeform: recall tlp's 'power that is traded for the fetish of power'... ( for that matter, example in earlier thread of this process )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 14:07:43 asciilifeform: mats: i defo grasp that there's 1e7 halfwits who think they want to 'use bitcoin' (whatever they imagine it to be) but don't want to figure out scary complicated things like, ohnoez, installing a noad
asciilifeform: the vox derp had what, DECADE of warning ? to get the fuck off google's hosting
asciilifeform: can't help but wonder what kinda sawdust in that crankcase
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-11 12:37:57 billymg: oh yeah, speaking of victims of the reich Vox seems to have followed closely behind BAP in being deplatformed
asciilifeform: the excuses these fuckwits give, when pressed, are something to behold. some of'em still think 'you gotta be rich' to host outside of 'platforms'. ( nevermind that asciilifeform's entire dc bill is smaller than some of these idiots' cable tv bills )
asciilifeform: thimbronion: were you surprised that he did not answer ?
billymg: asciilifeform: i sometimes wonder if part of the grift. "friends, countrymen: i've been censored on blogger/twitter, follow me on substack!" *generates buzz* *6 months later* "friends, countrymen: i've been censored from substack, follow me on..."
asciilifeform: billymg: likely part of it
thimbronion: Vox does have his own video streaming service though, as well as other non-google properties.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: i had nfi (not being a fan..) -- so, it is still up ?
thimbronion: asciilifeform: No. Was surprised to learn later that his band put out a song about PGP sometime in the last decades.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: yeah it's up: https://unauthorized.tv/
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052069 << yeah it's shit like that that makes me think they don't really want to "win". what? already winning, look at book deal!
asciilifeform: thimbronion: seems to be members-only
thimbronion: asciilifeform: that's the only way it could exist really.
asciilifeform: the entire history of 'organized right' in usa is a series of these, cynical hucksters, their room-temp-iq marks, book deals
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 14:44:30 asciilifeform: mats: i regard the 'counter-usg dissidency' 'movement' as simply an arm of usg. certainly since this point.
asciilifeform: + generous helping of usg provocateurs, religion-flavoured 'shards of the true cross' megachurches, 'senator smurf' colloidal-quackery 'medicine', etc
asciilifeform: the other thing, billymg , is that 'winning', for almost any value of 'winning', would render their offering meaningless.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-02-12 20:11:40 asciilifeform: late-era sovok contained quite a few figures resembling, imho more than superficially, taleb -- i.e. 'dissidents' which were nominally in opposition to it (but vanished into insignificance with its collapse) , nominally 'oppressed' (while occupying plum jobs -- 'writer's union' came w/ massive leisure, primo food, vacation house, car, sometimes -- driver)
thimbronion: I have to hand it to Vox for not just whining about being deplatformed from xyz and instead creating his own xyz, including a publishing company as well as the above - even made his own twatter and wiki.
thimbronion: All ultimatetly futile due to dns and lack of a friendly cloudfront, imo.
billymg: btw, asciilifeform, jfw told me about an idea bvt had for logline ids derived from hashes of the payload, to allow for interoperability between various loggers
bitbot: (jwrd) 2021-05-22 jfw: billymg: cool, sounds good. the other issue with links to third-party logs, in the event you took yours down (as would be perfectly within your right to do, without the political ties that bind and whatnot), is the divergence of message IDs. bvt had a smart approach to that based on message+context hashes but nobody's made it happen.
asciilifeform: billymg: i recall at one time mp suggesting something similar. doesn't help w/ order tho
billymg: when i'm reading the logs i'm doing so on my logger, so have thought of adding feature that replaces other logger links with the corresponding links on mine, so that i'm not jumping between two loggers
asciilifeform: billymg: can use existing patterns in my original, i have this feature
billymg: asciilifeform: ah, already a feature? does it do it on the frontend or did it do it on import into the DB?
asciilifeform: frontend
asciilifeform: db is unmutilated
billymg: ok, will look into it
asciilifeform: ( feature is yr+ old )
billymg: asciilifeform: perfect, that's exactly it
asciilifeform: now's prolly a good time to share detail from asciilifeform's p2ptron scheme. each message contains, in addition to payload and speaker's handle, two hashes : "selfhash" -- hash of previous message spoken by him; and "nethash" -- hash of previous message seen by him (these can be identical , when two or more msgs sent in quick succession)
asciilifeform: this simultaneously solves two problems : 1) makes reordering, for folx who insist, possible
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-04 19:53:05 asciilifeform: note that asciilifeform isn't opposed to punkman (or anybody else) configuring ~his~ own client to attempt to reorder, somehow, messages perceived as outta order. but i utterly fail to see why this mechanism ~must~ be an integral part of the protocol.
asciilifeform: ... 2) makes possible to detect situation where an l2+ is 'forging' a l1 (from detector's pov) handle.
asciilifeform: all at the cost of 64byte (32 per) in message.
asciilifeform 'living under a curse', erry time sits down to wrap up that article, sumthing gets in the way..
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052105 << really oughta expand -- makes possible to identify virtually all cases where two stations are broadcasting messages w/ same nick (for whatever reason) in the general case.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-11 13:10:05 asciilifeform: ... 2) makes possible to detect situation where an l2+ is 'forging' a l1 (from detector's pov) handle.
asciilifeform: however, only ~after~ such a message is 'orphaned' (i.e. dr.troll sends a 'i eat bugs!' signed 'asciilifeform', and with correct 'selfhash'. but genuine-asciilifeform's ~next~ msg will naturally not point to dr.troll's msg, but to genuine-asciilifeform's prev. msg. and so forth)
asciilifeform: naturally none of this is a substitute for pgp sigs. but not intended as one, but simply to make monkeying with chat not worth anyone's effort
asciilifeform: thimbronion ^ may find interesting.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: indeed. May have some questions later.
asciilifeform: for completeness, will describe what must happen if such a 'chain split' is detected by receiver
billymg: thimbronion: btw i'm at the point now where i'm ready to start on your alethepedia theme and features for mp-wp
asciilifeform: ... oughta issue alert (emulating irc server 'wallop') to operator, and append a letter/number, e.g. ' asciilifeform-a-1 ' , ' asciilifeform-b-2 ' when outputting msgs to operator's irc pipe, to distinguish the 'chains', until he is satisfied that impostor had vanished, and issues a e.g. '/resolvesplit asciilifeform' command, after which 'long chain' then displayed as ' asciilifeform ' simply again.
thimbronion: billymg: cool! Honestly I'm a bit discouraged by the quality of the ocr scan at this point. Not sure how to proceed on that front.
asciilifeform: in a hypothetical future item when no longer need to use irc frontend -- can also reassemble split messages using 'selfhash'.
asciilifeform: ( and display reassembled to operator )
asciilifeform: 'nethash' can be used to implement 'threading' , if anyone decides he wants it
asciilifeform: can do just about anyffing worth doing w/ chatism, w/ these two primitives.
billymg: thimbronion: probably best to hire human editors to do the grunt work of fixing the typos
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052088 << i recall previous 'weevs' similarly 'own company! publisher!' etc. -- these typically get 'deplatformed' by fiatola.banks/visa/etc (and eventually brought to heel and tamed)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-11 12:53:13 thimbronion: I have to hand it to Vox for not just whining about being deplatformed from xyz and instead creating his own xyz, including a publishing company as well as the above - even made his own twatter and wiki.
asciilifeform: reason being, they, to a man, serve fiat.molloch -- their 'success!' criterion is precisely that very same 'book deal!'
thimbronion: billymg: yes. momentous task.
asciilifeform: book deal, 'mcmansion', tv channel..
billymg: thimbronion: but sounds good, i'll probably start on producing some mockups for the theme soon
thimbronion: billymg: ack
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-11 10:53:41 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051954 << mats may find interesting to learn this
asciilifeform finds interesting how the shitcoin folx don't feel any need to even try to justify their unprincipled exceptions, where 'code is law! but not if a redditard finds a trivial bug and takes our!!!! loot bag' , 'decentralized! except when we want to steal back our!! loot bag! then, will behave exactly like usg banks!' etc
asciilifeform: see also the prophetic (circa '05!) p. greenspun on subj!
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-10-20 asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies. Because all
punkman: more from "dear hacker" https://pastebin.com/YTE6DVtN
punkman: (took it from etherscan)
punkman: the newer shitcoinists do not understand cryptography or "code is law" or anything really. bitcoiners of the olde times, were much more of the "I fucked up, thus I will now eat my hat" persuasion
asciilifeform: punkman: the marks -- yes, prolly shit pants and not even notice the smell. but the perps ? is difficult to believe that they're unaware
mats: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/11/afghanistan-provinces-city-taliban-ghani-mazar-i-sharif-live-news A new US intelligence assessment says Afghanistan’s capital could fall within 90 days after the Taliban armed group took more than a quarter of the country’s provincial capitals in less than a week.
mats: rip
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-06-20 asciilifeform: lol at expecting anyone to have sympathy for the folks who lost their heads from cables.csv (assuming any)
punkman: from article above: "Halting deportations will ‘send wrong message’: Greece"
asciilifeform: punkman: classic pseudoconflict there -- notice, plebe is offered choice b/w 'two bottles, with same fluid', a distinction w/out a difference -- there are buttons 'a' and 'b' but neither is labeled or even implied 'get the fucking orcs outta europe'
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-26 15:23:42 asciilifeform: bonechewer: that whole thing is a bogus, constructed pseudo-conflict.
asciilifeform: instead 'halt deportations, to resume later' and 'don't halt'. bonus, the buttons aint , naturally, connected to anything at all.
asciilifeform: the question is never 'rape or not rape' but 'rape' and 'maybe slightly slower rape'
asciilifeform: (the latter typically sold as 'conservatism')
punkman: Turkey/Germany has a nice scam going, Turkey gets paid by EU to put damper on "flow" of afghans/syrians/iranians, then they buy weapons from Germany with the money
punkman: I wonder if the afghans know coming to EU means staying in shitty camp on Greek island for a few years, or if they think they will be on way to Germany/Sweden in a couple months
asciilifeform: punkman: i'd suspect the process aint entirely random, but depends 'which afgan', and whether has an 'in'
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-06-08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't comment on ro emigres, but with su world there was a lulzy twist : 1st wave (1970s -- largely j000z!11) wrote home, 'i'ma full professor and it rocks, come on over', 2nd wave went, to discover that market -- glut, and hello cab
punkman: the bulk of them is "nobody", few with enough money to grease the wheels
asciilifeform: punkman: i'd expect. but the steady flow of 'nobodies' (see linked thrd) is quite useful to the small number of 'somebodies' who like the smokescreen, the 'refuge relief funds' etc.
punkman: there's a lot of "we need the young working bodies" going around, as in all of aging Europe
asciilifeform: somehow folx 'very surprised' when the orcs don't particularly feel like remaining 'coolies' and take to robbery etc
punkman: waiting for when they get them into politics, made some strides in that department in last couple of years
asciilifeform: very similar item in usa
punkman: some politician was found to be renting dozen apartments to refugees via welfare program, the "far-right" tried to make it a scandal, nobody cared
asciilifeform: typical
asciilifeform: (btw punkman picture a hypothetical 'somebody cared'. what'd that look like ?)
punkman: dunno, kick a few of the ne'erdowells out?
punkman: illegal by EU "law" of course
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-03-02 asciilifeform: the folx who could -- any day of the week -- give the order to have all 'migrants' met with flamethrowers - answer to exactly usg dos sewing circle
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-04-22 14:11:18 asciilifeform: mats: there is only 1 kind of class warfare in the reich -- yacht class vs literally erryone else. with the enthusiastic assistance of 'room temp iq' lumpens, typically, for the wet work.
asciilifeform: and as such, protected and nourished.
punkman: there was a hilarious news item last year, "gang of 160 people caught!" then in article "they've been collectively arrested 520 times in the past"
asciilifeform: 'anarchotyranny'(tm)(r)(c)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-11 14:39:48 mats: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/11/afghanistan-provinces-city-taliban-ghani-mazar-i-sharif-live-news A new US intelligence assessment says Afghanistan’s capital could fall within 90 days after the Taliban armed group took more than a quarter of the country’s provincial capitals in less than a week.
asciilifeform: 'uppose that you go to a conservative rural area and find that a majority of people there support the Taliban. That doesn't legitimize the Taliban, because freedom is defined by....' etc
PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052102 << what goes in first message? hash of null?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-11 13:07:23 asciilifeform: now's prolly a good time to share detail from asciilifeform's p2ptron scheme. each message contains, in addition to payload and speaker's handle, two hashes : "selfhash" -- hash of previous message spoken by him; and "nethash" -- hash of previous message seen by him (these can be identical , when two or more msgs sent in quick succession)
asciilifeform: PeterL: simply null.
asciilifeform imho irc end oughta similarly mark msgs that have a null for either hash
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-11 13:22:51 asciilifeform: ... oughta issue alert (emulating irc server 'wallop') to operator, and append a letter/number, e.g. ' asciilifeform-a-1 ' , ' asciilifeform-b-2 ' when outputting msgs to operator's irc pipe, to distinguish the 'chains', until he is satisfied that impostor had vanished, and issues a e.g. '/resolvesplit asciilifeform' command, after which 'long chain' then displayed as ' asciilifeform ' simply again.
punkman: stumbled on this https://github.com/maqp/tfc again, thought it looked familiar, looked at logs and found me posting it and owner coming in to discuss http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=f%3Amaqp&chan=trilema
asciilifeform: punkman: indeed was discussed, quite lulzy
asciilifeform: was punkman who dug it up the 1st time, too, lol
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-02-07 punkman: https://github.com/maqp/tfc-otp
punkman: seems like the guy didn't pick up his 1 bitcoin from mp
asciilifeform: punkman: interestingly, these went both ways, the 'pickers-up' didn't on avg. fare any better/moar interestingly than the non-pickers
punkman: he's still developing the thing, wonder if anyone has ever used it
asciilifeform: 'TFC can also be run in three dedicated Qubes virtual machines. With the Qubes configuration, the isolation is provided by the Xen hypervisor, and the unidirectionality of data flow between the VMs is enforced with Qubes' qrexec framework. ' << i'ma guess nobody but orig. author
punkman: yeah "virtual machine diode" is pretty lulzy
asciilifeform: typical rube-goldberg 'chewing gum'.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-26 17:26:54 asciilifeform: the fundamental problem with 'duct tape and chewing gum' ciphermachines, is that it is very, very easy to fool yourself into thinking that you've achieved something, when in fact you have led yourself and -- worse, possibly people with actual secrets to protect -- to the chopping block, by putting same linux+opensores liquishitware into pocket-sized vaguely-ciphermachine-like package.
punkman: seems like the otp version is now "share password so we can encrypt OTP and send it over Tor"
asciilifeform: punkman: historically torism has been quite good litmus for 'can safely stop reading right here'
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-02-08 mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag incidentally, this is the most shocking part of the maqp kid. he is utterly alone, for this reason entirely hopeless, and his solution is "hey, better aloneliness potion would help!"
punkman: funnily enough, tfc has not tipjar "There is no business model. TFC is FOSS+FHD for freedom. In return we get the feeling of contributing something actually worthwhile to the society."
punkman: maybe still working on secure btc address generation
punkman: " People with a master’s degree had the least hesitancy, and the highest hesitancy was among those holding a Ph.D. "
vex: the mean phd essay likely investigates something entirely useless, lemme spend 6 years attempting to investigate
vex: noone would accept it.. gestimating taylor swifts' bush trimming style via analysis of nashville singers.. yep, write it
punkman: hey vex, what's the drink tonight
vex: just a couple of beers mate, trying to keep it soberish
vex: hey has anyone ever woken up from a bender with like A LOT of tornado cash notes?
vex: jk. wasn't me
vex: is it still smokey over there punkman?
punkman: the priests did a litany and it rained
vex: wow
punkman: clearly they still got a line to the big man
vex: I like it, it's going in the car
vex: it's got a smokey vibe
vex: have you been getting epic sunsets?
shinohai: I'm still awake when vex is online? I must not have drank enuf wine at dinner.
vex: heya shinohai
shinohai: How goes this evening?
vex: not bad mate, lungs pumping o2
vex: you're fairly well attuned to various modern comms, any idea why the auditor chose to send back on bsc?
adlai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051456 << this is a fundamental cultural dichotomy, imo ; some folks simply have a feudalism-compatible worldview, despite perhaps hoping that their pretty daughter marries upwards
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 14:18:32 mats: it matters to putin at least, can't be out there showing off multi billion dollar estates and offshored bank accounts while many russians live in the mud
adlai: the examples with which I'm familiar are from 'Israeli' oligarchs; a few of these are 0th-generation immigrants from e.g. USSR collapse, who bought their way into the nation, while others are families that did so over half a century ago ; in either case, the mode of opinions is surprisingly close to a laissez-faire attitude, where any great fortune being spent on luxuries is simply part
adlai: of the economy, and we should all be glad that the fortune is being spent rather than adsorbing dust in a vault
adlai: of course, in the case of the former prime minister, this was countered by a significant minority who actively picketed his residence, and protested with iconography verging upon the limits between free speech and incitement to violence ; yet most oligarchs are not stupid enough to become prime minister
vex: his aussie neighbour is having issues
vex: fucking with his casino license
adlai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051486 << fwiw, my SR1-related arrest has passed the deadline for local prosecutors to press charges, and I'm considering doing a writeup; it deserves a bit more than an IRC tl;dr
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 14:33:37 mats: not like any idiot with a horse and cart could participate in the silk road anyway
adlai: however, the IRC tl;dr is that I conducted enough commerce via SR1 to get arrested as local bigshot, rather than mere plebe dope fiend ; and this was in 2013, with coin purchased in 2013... not much room for excitement
adlai does, at times, suspect that he walked into some sort of interpol spiderweb
adlai: dang vex peaced just as I arrived! mebbe next time.
adlai continues reading logs
adlai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051508 << I'm familiar with the "five eyes" epithet , i.e. USA & four out of the former british empire ; who are the other nine?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 14:43:58 mats: i understand attribution is difficult, but the fourteen eyes still have a unique, panopticon view of the planetary network
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 15:29:55 asciilifeform: oh hey the old qntra finally RIP. ( asciilifeform's mirror covers, fortunately, entirety of it ! )
adlai: there were a few (i.e. "significantly more than zero; and plural, too!") things that MP bankrolled, that kept me around before I ever had a personal stake in things, and Qntra, along with puzzling over the S.QNTR model, was one of these
adlai: text in quotes is not a precise quotation, although aims to approximate the author's response to the question, "so how many humans are fluent in this Lojban language that you invented?"
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-11 21:35:12 adlai: however, the IRC tl;dr is that I conducted enough commerce via SR1 to get arrested as local bigshot, rather than mere plebe dope fiend ; and this was in 2013, with coin purchased in 2013... not much room for excitement
adlai does wonder -- loudly! -- when and whether alf's single-parent ISP corp will be accepting new customers
asciilifeform: adlai: well asciilifeform expanded the ip addr park recently, and wasn't all for self, lol
asciilifeform: adlai: were you interested in hosting sumthing?
adlai: yes; as I have mentioned before, my 'bouncer' is a little charity thing that tacoma narrowsed under tradebot levels of abuse, and I've yet to properly export this out of my own desk.
adlai did have an arrangement with jurov for a brief while, when experimenting with S.MPOE ; although, the loads were intentionally heavily ratelimited, not only because MPEx itself was heavily ratelimited
asciilifeform: adlai: i rec the rk for this application.
adlai: S.ALF's DC is physically located in MD, right?
asciilifeform: adlai: aha. it's next to a telco dc, a bulldozer park, etc
asciilifeform: the catalogue has a link to their www if yer curious.
adlai is painfully aware that certain goxxes actively ban customers according to geoip, and require KYC checkbox "I am not a US Person [footnote ; sixteen kg of IRS paperwork if box unchecked"]
asciilifeform: adlai: rrright, if yer looking to fix ~that~ , you've come to wrong side of planet
asciilifeform: you'd want the ~opposite~ of asciilifeform's colo.
adlai: most notably, BitMEX did this, and at least had the politeness to notify customers
adlai refused to KYC for the sole purpose of getting account frozen ; subsequently got polite "thank you for trading with us; please explain TXIDs A, B, C, ...etc ", despite not filling out their KYC garbage!
adlai: dunno what exactly they expected to get in reply to that email ; "ah yes, that was to the Sheikh's second cousin thrice removed's widow, who needed bikeshed improvement loan"
adlai: asciilifeform: no, I am not hiding my identity from exchanges where I actively trade, nor do I ever plan to do this ; however, I simply stop trading at exchanges that undergo catastrophic management reformattings, and then ask me to KYC for the sole purpose of confirming that my account violates their terms of paperwork reduction
asciilifeform: adlai: simply pointing out that usa is last place you want to connect to goxes from , in general case
adlai: well, 'goxes' is not a homogenous space!
adlai: e.g., encompasses both spot exchanges, and margin casinos.
asciilifeform tries to think of an application which calls for proxy ~in~ usa, rather than opposite
adlai: if buddy with coinbase acct decides to test-drive scalpl, this makes sense.
adlai: additionally, certain strangenesses of the internet connectivity graph make it so that using a server in a datacentre on the other side of the world from the desk is more efficient than running from the desk, despite the desk being closer, great-circle-wise, to the exchange.
adlai once argued with customer support reps of a margin casino about their recommendation that algotraders rent a VPS next to the exchange, and claimed that it shouldn't matter ~to them~ where in the internet algotraders host ; after a few grammatically-precise politenesses, realized he was probably arguing with chatbot
asciilifeform: adlai: so then, read the instructions and see which if any catalogue item worx for you. (plz note that the prices are not negotiable)
adlai: pffflol, negotiations are for ... negotiators.
adlai actually has slightly amusing anecdote on this topic
adlai: current apartment stood empty for an unknown amount of time, before I occupied; and realestate agents informed me that the landlord was flexible about the precise amount of rent.
adlai: so I said, "ok, let's make rent $thismuch" ... agents:"done" ; then we meet landlord to sign paperwork, agents inform her of the rent!
adlai does not consider that process negotiation, either ; was only "here is anchor, where is your bid?", as opposed to haggling
asciilifeform: adlai: whatever you want to call it -- it aint how asciilifeform's isp worx. the price is the price.
adlai: right, this is one fundamental difference, imo, between meatspace and the net
asciilifeform: and plox to read carefully sect.2 of the linked manual.
asciilifeform: the current cost calc is here.
vex: when asciilifeform was involved with piz, I seem to recall not usa was an engineering requirement.
asciilifeform: vex: it was, indeed
adlai: upstack slightly: I take this to mean that there is even any use, whatsoever, to considering the costs? I distinctly recall inquiring a while back, iirc in the #trilema days, and getting response "all RKs booked"
asciilifeform: vex: asciilifeform's isp is not, unfortunately, a plug-in replacement for piz.
asciilifeform: adlai: the rk's at piz were certainly booked
asciilifeform: here i have 17 vacant (in fact, in shrinkwrap) rk
asciilifeform: (to be exact -- 12 in shrinkwrap, and 5 ex-piz iirc)
adlai always wondered wtf enscheidet tswischen 'pre-owned' and 'used, good as new'
adlai: definitely not the shrinkwrap!
asciilifeform: adlai: compact history of piz for your curiosity. ( if any unclear -- can always ask bingoboingo )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-08 11:59:24 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: having trouble locating the thread on demise of pizarro isp; more specifically the "why" and the "how"
adlai: ty, "al lo davar" ; hebrew idiom roughly consists of literal politeness with impolite connotation that you are wasting your breath
asciilifeform: adlai: subscribers get rk at random, + fresh disk ; if dies -- gets swapped.
adlai watched both S.BBET, and S.BISP, meltdowns, blow-by-blow
asciilifeform: hm possib. i misaddressed that comment, it was vex asking 'why in usa'
adlai: well, I was never an investor in either, so it is plausible that I am considered rando.
adlai never had neither mpex nor coinbr accts, either; lol!
asciilifeform: adlai: well asciilifeform has you as +2 'horseman of common lisp robopocalypse'
asciilifeform: so not 'rando'
asciilifeform: see handbook re subj.
adlai: fwiw, I must ask a linguistic question, if I am already speaking such nonsense as "never... neither... nor" ; asciilifeform , do you find that you bias towards parity, xor monotonicity, in accumulation of negatives?
adlai: allegedly, russian biases towards monotonicity, whereas anglotard biases towards parity.
adlai: so you are an interesting test case in this regard.
asciilifeform: adlai: elaborate?
vex: lol
adlai: according to written materials, encountered while reading about the modern russian language: when you encounter a sentence containing more than one negative, they do not cancel each other out, in a manner similar to XOR, and instead simply by virtue of having more than one negative modifier, the entire sentence gets a negative connotation.
vex: i'm not laughing at you, that was a real lol, alf asking adlai to eloborate on an elaborate... just lovely
asciilifeform: adlai: this is correct
adlai: so e.g. "never had neither mpex nor coinbr accts" would be considered par for the course, for a russian speaker; whereas if I were writing that in an "English for Hebrew Idjits" class, my teacher would rightly deduct points.
asciilifeform: lol to asciilifeform seemed 100% correct
asciilifeform: adlai: in modern ivrit similar or no ?
vex: I wasn't sure with adlai, sometimes he takes things the wrong way
adlai: fwiw, I have never formally studied hebrew, and have roughly middle-schooler fluency, on paper; yet my impression is that any adult, when confronted with the question of which of these is the correct phrasing, would respond, "why are you saying such complex nonsense? what you, some lawyer nark? stfu!"
adlai: modern hebrew is a remarkably stupefying language, in both written and spoken forms.
asciilifeform: howssat?
adlai: as opposed to english and russian, that both at least seem to admit arbitrarily complex grammatical constructions, even if these might not be commonplace in the vernaculars.
adlai: e.g., subjunctive is M.I.A.
adlai: in hebrew , subjunctive and past imperfect are both functionally and literally equivalent
asciilifeform: hey, conlang, neh, folx dropped 'useless' creepingfeatures, iirc was the idea
adlai: iiuc, this is in both modern and biblical.
adlai: could be that subjunctive postdates the group hallucinations that eventually got formalized into biblical hebrew.
adlai: fwiw, conlangs are not all strict simplifications of naturals
adlai: e.g., lojban is a simplification, as far as the lexical topology of how to spell nouns and verbs, and how to order words in a sentence, although iiuc, is a strict complexification of grammar
adlai: grammatically speaking, they (he?) basically, in the case of lojban, said, "let's take the least common multiple of all spoken grammars", in contrast to esperanto's "let's be understandable by monke"
vex style monke pretends to understand
adlai: vex: I do not take laughter as insult
vex pours moar virtual vodka
adlai: that is one behavior that gets pretty much entirely bred out of idjits during basic training, even if they happen to have acquired it during their first decade of consciousness.
adlai: anyone who takes laughter as insult will get the shit kicked out of them, one chunk at a time.
vex: whao adlai, theres no fighing while i'm pouring
adlai: ofc not!
adlai: fights never happen on parade ground
adlai: entire macroscale effect of basic trainings is abrading mutually ridiculous demographics
adlai: sure, in short term, produces squads, teaches rifle maintenance, etc
adlai: in long term, teaches that mutual ridiculousness is simple fact of being monke, rather than simple fact of "we r great ape, you -- lesser"
adlai: perhaps this does not happen in pre-homogenized societies.
vex: heres to the shit that's forver lost in the logs
adlai: why forever lost?
vex: theres a billion permutations in there
adlai: someday the misquotations might get immortalized in some apostle's epistles.
vex: well that's a good toast too. to what adlai said!
vex: mp's pets haven't mentioned a wake yet huh?
adlai: wake is a dirty word for a case of drowning.
adlai can't recall whether logs contain his own experience with waters; tl;dr - was short skinny little shit during highschool, got typecast as cox
adlai: fortunately, I'd learned to swim before getting thrown in.
adlai: and never thrown in to serious waters, only tame little puddles.
vex: I was thrown in since dot
adlai drowned at ~5yo, then took swimming lessons
vex: how fast 50m?
adlai: drowned = remembers paddling around with floaties, taking floaties off, jumping off plastic island surrounded by >2m water, regaining consciousness outside of pool
adlai: never raced!
vex: it's nice huh? i've done it too, I was older
vex: mp is in heaven for all the people wondering
adlai: at least, not outside of gym classes where there was no timer, only "last one there's a rotten egg"
adlai: swimming is amazing, though; I think the supermajority of my muscle cramps were all from the first five minutes in cold water during the years when gym classes included pool days.
adlai: coach was champ, too: "oh, you got a cramp? ok, paddle around in the shallow end until your cramp is gone, then join the rest of the class over there"
adlai: vex: where would you host a wake, anyway? allegedly, mp's disciples span five different equivalence classes of extradition treaties.
vex: your house?
adlai: there is much to be said for the jewish approach, i.e., "oh, you didn't hear of the death within 24h? ok, perform observances according to your own beliefs"
vex: it's been nearly two moons
adlai: fwiw, the official jewish approach is funeral ~within~ 24h, wake lasting max six days, revisit grave one month after burial, and observances at yearly anniversaries hence.
adlai: although it gets bent outta shape because people bitch about holidays, saturdays, etc.
adlai: in the brave new world, it's not too difficult to keep a corpse chilled ~indefinitely
adlai: tradition originates from the days when it actually became practical to ask whether it smelled like sainthood after a week.
vex: i don't think mp was extra jewish. cunt was pagan as fuck
adlai recalls one of the infinite derisions being "gypsy jew"
adlai: fwiw, it is not difficult for hybrid vigor to produce "gypsy jew" etc
vex: idk, dude seemed ignorant of derision
adlai: now, I have no idea whether actual Roma caravans would recognise "gypsy jew" as subset of "Roma" ; however, jewish genetics is definitely slutty, as opposed to posh.
adlai: posh genetics = "both parents must be tribemembers ; slut punishable by disownment"
adlai: several tribes operate this way, whereas judaism notably operates according to "only relevant chromosome is mitochondrion"
vex: afik he had distain for the x & the y
adlai: I don't think that a healthy understanding of modern biology -- specifically, genetics -- is reconcileable with worship of humanity, in any of its tribal forms.
vex: a true wildling
adlai: possibly this is one reason that tribalism frequently coincides with dogmatic rejection of modern theories of genetics.
adlai finds most popularizations of biology quite barf-worthy, whether written millenia, centuries, or decades ago
vex: ancient egyptians have been reporteted even here at the end of the earth
adlai: maybe I'm simply bad at understanding that kind of prose, yet I've never quite appreciated the fine hair splits that biologists quibble over.
adlai: at least, not the ones who waffle about grand theories. molecular biology has never suffered from the grand theoretic wafflings.
vex: your ycombinator has little affect
adlai: uwot?
vex: you hear me cunt
adlai: wtf does 'ycombinator' have to do with this
vex: your mom
vex: she doesn't have much say in the matter
adlai can't even tell whether vex is referring to chromosome, shartup accelerator, high-order-function, or simply verbalising
vex: chromosomal affect, but yes, take it as you will
adlai: you are referring to X-chromosome as "ycombinator" ?
vex: also just verbalosing. monke
adlai always understood slight converse to be dominant ; i.e., Y-chromosome functions as shattered X-chromosome, modulates whatever happened to have survived the meiosis fandango
vex: yeah no
adlai: however, given the whole interactome, both descriptions are probably correct, separately for each individual promoter
adlai: speaking of biology, I need to go and negotiate fines with the campus libraries
adlai: regrettably, both plurals are correct
vex: lol
adlai does not know where exactly along the "zero to $price in four seconds" continuum fall the loss fines, although intends to keep at least one book
adlai: it is a paperback. should not be too painful to keep!
vex: must read. send satoshis
adlai: don't buy oceancoin, vex.
vex: oceancoin? never fucking herd of it
adlai: variant of "don't drink ocean water", "don't take wooden nickles", etc
adlai wanders off
vex: oh ok, I was thinking "don't tempt me, ill take it"
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