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punkman: "$335M stolen from the Poly Network side-chain. They’re asking nicely for the hackers to return the funds, before they get really angry."
punkman: "We call on miners of affected blockchain and crypto exchanges to blacklist tokens coming from the above addresses"
shinohai: lolocopter
punkman: actually might be over $600m. had 1k "wrapped" btc too
shinohai: Today is a good day, I *do* love the smell of DeFi rekt in the morning.
punkman: "@Tether_to
punkman: just froze ~33M $USDt on 0xC8a65Fadf0e0dDAf421F28FEAb69Bf6E2E589963 as part of the #PolyNetwork hack"
punkman: Binance "We are aware of the exploit that occurred today. While no one controls BSC (or ETH), we are coordinating with all our security partners to proactively help. There are no guarantees. We will do as much as we can."
asciilifeform: punkman et al : is there any evidence against the hypothesis that such shitcoin 'heists' are perpetrated by the shitcoin author himself ?
asciilifeform: i.e. the creator of whatever supposed-bug enables the 'ohnoez $xxx mil is gone' (and notice how always reported as an imaginary usd loss, RIAA-style!)
whaack: asciilifeform: what's the 'RIAA style' refer to?
mats: itd be a serious gamble that some other person doesnt audit the contract and exploit the vuln first
asciilifeform: whaack: recall, where they calculated 'losses' by multiplying '# of warez downloads' by what the disk cost
signpost: seems a stretch that *nobody* is running such scams.
punkman: asciilifeform: obviously no evidence. how does anyone ever prove they didn't put in catastrophic bug in whatever software
signpost: but I'd expect mostly incompetence.
punkman: there's always someone throwing out the accusation, but I think most tards like to think "why would you sink own company, you'd make more than heist if you keep it going"
punkman: ties well into "proof of stake" ethertardation
billymg: punkman: so i see they've now 100% abandoned their "code is law" larping from 2017
whaack: billymg: gm, i almost have the python client done for trbexplorer
whaack: i just need to add error handling and review the spec to make sure there's nothing too stupid before i lock into the api
billymg: whaack: awesome, def looking forward to trying it out
punkman: guy asking for help "WONDER WHY TORNADO? WILL MINER STOP ME? TEACH ME PLZ!"
punkman: ton of people sending him tx with begging msg
shinohai: lol recall when MP published the "DAO hack" piece some showed up in comments with "plz Sir, mi familia!"
whaack: punkman: are those quotes from the 'hacker', if so where did you see them?
punkman: on his eth address
punkman: you have to click "see more", then decode as utf
whaack: ah, ty
asciilifeform: punkman: where's the quote from ?
punkman: asciilifeform: see etherscan link
asciilifeform: punkman: it loads, but does not display any of the quoted lulz
asciilifeform: punkman: is this the 'Private Note feature, you must be Logged In' rubbish ?
punkman: no, "click to see more"
asciilifeform: punkman: clicked, displays raw tx and nuffin else
punkman: "The smart contract ( requires a majority of keepers to sign an action for it to execute. Basically, it's a multisig. That's all cool but I think we can all agree that a multisig should have more
punkman: than 1 signers. Guess how many keepers did Poly Network used?"
punkman: asciilifeform: you have to click the "view input as" button
asciilifeform: ty punkman , worx
punkman: people still believing "decentralized exchanges will save us from goxxing"
punkman: and along with the beggars, the spammers coming out with a bunch of "Polygon sucks! come on over to Triangle, it's super secure"
punkman: always the same
asciilifeform: punkman: there's a very pertinent 1970s piece, 'artificial intelligence meets natural stupidity', where, approx, 'just because you have a lisp function UNDERSTAND in your proggy, doesn't mean it understands anything' etc
asciilifeform: punkman: similarly here; you can call e.g. a gox 'decentralized'; doesn't make it so (or for that matter make 'decentralized gox' anything other than a joke, conceptually)
punkman: guy's also a comedian
punkman: "Blockchain security firm Slowmist said in the wake of the attack that they have tracked down the attacker, including email address, IP information and device fingerprint. "
cgra learned today, fwiw, that trb's almost every peer-accessible rubber variable can be inflated by a random bypasser/coordinated inbound peers, until ~OOM. not unlike previously noted... got tired of demonstrating every individual case
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-20 11:37:55 asciilifeform: whaack: the challenge is to find 1 part that worx 100%, lol.. they're all like this
cgra: mempool-, addr-, and inventory-related, send/recv buffers, the agent string.
cgra: for bonus: perhaps even "mapBlockIndex", if second hand old-gen miner reusable as bogus block generator. (operator-defined checkpoints, or the 'cement' ought to fix)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-01 15:27:34 asciilifeform: cgra: the common theme here is that a peer ought not to be able to eat arbitrary ram. and that the correct end of the funnel to plug, is to actually measure the consumption, and kickban mercilessly. rather than trying to find each and every one of 'over 9000' places where shitoshi&co defined a type that can stretch to infinity
cgra: asciilifeform: otherwise yeah, but still need time to grasp where can put a peer fence, without blocking convoluted, but vital, moving parts. otoh, also, while ~every part, still appear enumerable...
cgra: i mean, while ~every part needs fixing, this "every" still perhaps countable by own fingers
asciilifeform: cgra: seems to be than an equiv. of obey_sendbuffersize for the recv buffer, oughta suffice
cgra: asciilifeform: unless i run outta steam before, might write a detailed summary, can see all my proposed why/why-not's
asciilifeform: cgra: ok
asciilifeform promises to read
cgra: currently figuring out mempool and trying to grasp 'how should instead'
asciilifeform: cgra: a p2ptron where unknowns can connect will always to some degree remain sybilable. hence asciilifeform's past attempts to introduce notion of 'known' peer to trb.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-07-19 14:42:20 asciilifeform: whaack: at 1 time, asciilifeform wrote a mechanism, 'wires', to make it simple to create 'private' cliques of noads that can connect to one another. but abandoned from lack of in-wot interest. (didn't help that the 1st version was buggy, either)
asciilifeform: cgra: the correct way to do mempool is -- 1) fixed, operator-config'able memory size 2) tx relayed by known peers hard-prioritized over all others
asciilifeform: retrofiting this to trb obv. aint trivial. (and thus far not proven necessary. but imho it's the only possible permanent pill against spam.)
cgra: asciilifeform: anyone-can-spends apparently also throw off prioritization, assuming fee/byte ordering was used
asciilifeform: cgra: not related to the above -- where simply prioritize traffic from nodes operated by people you know
asciilifeform: (and they -- do likewise)
cgra: asciilifeform: ah yes, true. only for the lower priority part
billymg: asciilifeform: your "back to article" link is just a javascript back button so it doesn't work if i start by navigating directly to the calculator. it would be handy to have a normal href link back to the article
asciilifeform: billymg: problem is, it is linked from ~several~ articles
asciilifeform not sure whether he's ever actually clicked on a 'back to..' link, personally. always uses browser's built-in
asciilifeform: y'know, alt-leftarrow
billymg: this one imo is most useful, as it contains all the hardware specs
billymg: asciilifeform: exactly lol, a button for "browser back" is beyond useless
billymg: which is why i suggested putting in an href
billymg: imo original post should be converted to a "Page", linked to from header ideally, and updated as the details change
billymg: i don't even see it among the many sidebar links currently
asciilifeform replaced the 'back' link w/ 'catalogue' at top of pg.
asciilifeform: billymg: it's under 'services'. but deliberately not aggressively advertised on my www, because is exclusively for asciilifeform's wot, and erryone in it knows exactly where to find
asciilifeform: wb bingoboingo
billymg: asciilifeform: neato, the catalog link is helpful imo
asciilifeform: billymg: np
punkman: "Today, we are happy to announce that we have reached a resolution with the CFTC and FinCEN. This marks a new chapter for BitMEX."
punkman: "Most importantly, crypto is becoming more responsible. Comprehensive user verification, compliance, and robust anti-money laundering controls are a must have."
punkman: "BitMEX agreed to pay as much as US$100 million to resolve the charges."
asciilifeform: punkman: lol! and that's while already being usg honeypot
asciilifeform: ( all goxes are guilty until proven innocent (lol, how) of being transparent to reich from birth )
asciilifeform: thimbronion: nifty, i'ma look at whole thing when i get the time
thimbronion: asciilifeform: ty!
thimbronion: !q seen artifexd
dulapbot: The user artifexd has never been seen in #asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: !q seen-anywhere artifexd
dulapbot: artifexd last seen in #trilema on 2015-04-22 18:16:41: I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
PeterL: thimbronion: in your unpack function, it might be good to also check if the ts is more than 15 min in future to reject weird?
asciilifeform did say 'within 15min', thought it was obv. to mean 'in either dir.'
thimbronion: Thanks PeterL you are correct, will fix.
punkman: "As I said at the end of 2020, compliance is a journey – especially in new sectors like crypto. The industry still has a lot of uncertainty. We also recognize that with the growth comes more complexity and more responsibility. "
punkman: " In 2021 so far, we have completed assisting 5,600 investigation requests already, which is 100% more than those in 2020."
punkman: all aboard the compliance train
asciilifeform: punkman: i was convinced that all of this went to its logical conclusion 5+y ago
asciilifeform: the only surprise is that 'the rubble bounces' still
asciilifeform: live by usd -- die by usd
asciilifeform: who doesn't understand that literally every possible interaction anyone has at any time with a gox is reported to usg (and archived for same) -- must be down's syndrome sufferer.
punkman: it's slightly interesting that they are all coming out "we love KYC" "more regulation is very good" at the same time
asciilifeform: punkman: prolly required in the 'secret appendix' to whatever they're given to sign.
bingoboingo probably ought to get my bouncer to stop pinging freenode and connected to dulapnet
punkman: $95 in fees to make an account on opensea
punkman: such scale, very smart
asciilifeform: bingoboingo: i fiddled for a while to see if could connect to fleanode, gave up
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-03 16:43:09 asciilifeform: finally gets off fleanode for good.
bingoboingo: Yeah, its definitely dead
asciilifeform: punkman: whole thing (incl. the '600 million $!!111 losses!111') is scheme to portray shitcoins as 'worth money'
asciilifeform: betcha the e.g. '600m$ heist' wouldn't yield even 10btc if the fella actually sold
asciilifeform: the algo hasn't afaik changed for yrs -- bake shitcoin, push via shills, build illusion of 'exchange rate' w/ wash trading at goxes, then slowly milk btc outta morons
asciilifeform presently connected to dulapbot and signpost's arsenet
asciilifeform: bingoboingo ^
asciilifeform: << arguably this evaporated 100% at the time of the 'dao' incident.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-10 12:07:24 billymg: punkman: so i see they've now 100% abandoned their "code is law" larping from 2017
thimbronion: Grrr just realized I also forgot to force the endianness of the timestamp in the packet.
mats: in more discussion on cryptodollars,
asciilifeform: '...the US has a much stronger economy than almost all global peers. The US has been home to most of the wealth generated from the recent secular growth period fueled by software and computing innovation, a fact you can confirm by looking at the deviation between the S&P500 and all other global indices over the last 30 years' << rofl
asciilifeform reads the 2nd link, and quite 'a trip' -- inescapable feeling of 'this must be written by martians, from parallel dimension...' -- so little connection it has to the planet3 on which asciilifeform lives
asciilifeform: 'An Authority/Right quadrant Master discourse would focus on, maybe keeping gas prices low! Maybe GDP, job creation, banking profits. Used to be enemy casualties or victory tallies. It depends on the Master narrative used by the discourse. Right now that narrative is jobs-centric in US politics, so great there’s plenty of data about that. Enough to snow anyone who questions the narrative maybe. Bridgewater, even thou
asciilifeform: gh Ray often questions Trump, he’s a questioning guy after all, fits perhaps more in this discourse than a smaller fund that has to stand out through top analysis, because their scale represents the winner-take-all power curve skew that tends to accompany Mastery, and they allocate based often on this kind of econometrics.'
asciilifeform: mats do you actually read these before posting..? this one could've easily come outta shannonizer (say, 'gpt')
mats: it does remind me a bit of reading mp in chan after hes had a few drinks
mats: but i promise i do read them
asciilifeform: i dun recall him ever getting to ~this~ level, lol
mats: i'll stop sharing about cryptodollarization, think i beat this horse to death
asciilifeform: mats: it aint a wholly uninteresting subj, from a scamological pov, imho. but some of the linked people... i'd like to know what kinda dope they're on
mats: the second guy's basic point is that cryptodollarization is an intermediate step towards bitcoinization
asciilifeform: mats: i'm not aware of a universally-shared portrait of 'bitcoinization'
asciilifeform: mats: how do you picture it ?
asciilifeform historically when tried to picture it, the result almost makes 'goldization' as depicted by ayn rand et al, what with errybody walking w/ bags of gold dubloons strapped to their belts, look realistic..
mats: note that i'm just gonna work with some random, if even figures here
mats: dollar dominance ends up halved if btcusd goes to $1mn/ea: current us m3 is ~20tn usd, 19mn btc monetary mass at $1/mn puts it at about 19tn
asciilifeform: mats: rright but this is straight outta archimedes's gigantic lever moving the earth. physically -- possible. but how would it come about ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-10 19:46:53 asciilifeform: '...the US has a much stronger economy than almost all global peers. The US has been home to most of the wealth generated from the recent secular growth period fueled by software and computing innovation, a fact you can confirm by looking at the deviation between the S&P500 and all other global indices over the last 30 years' << rofl
mats: mass digital yuan adoption in the east results in drawdowns of usd reserves, threatening dollar dominance, because what do they need a third country's currency for during trade settlement
asciilifeform: billymg: see also e.g. thrd
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 15:40:34 asciilifeform: y'know , the 1 where plebe now expected to pay 2-3x for the SAME FUCKING CARBOARD BOX he lived in '19 in.
mats: probably they'll keep some around as a store of value, but its necessity in commerce continues to decline
asciilifeform: mats: meanwhile in usa , officials wanking over '4th stimulus', at least one purported version of which would be a recurring printism/handout 'until end of pandemic' etc
mats: the sprint for safe assets continues, bitcoins become more desirable as the americans continue to use the western bloc as inflation sinks for social welfare projects
mats: eventually all fiat is de facto pegged to bitcoins, whether admitted or not
asciilifeform: mats: the interesting question is why ~already~ does anyone buy e.g. 'stonks' rather than btc. and i can think of several plausible reasons
mats: regulatory roadblocks, that's it, full stop
asciilifeform: the most interesting of these is the 'muskization' which gives a picture -- from strictly numeric pov -- of btc/usd stagnation
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-10 20:36:13 asciilifeform: shinohai: musk plays a very predictable and straightforward role in the usg.spectable -- helping to maintain the volatility.
asciilifeform: i.e. musk & co pump btc-usd to 3-10x of what 'organically' would be. after this, the hill-climbers automagically see 'hmm, btc stagnant, let's buy stonks'
asciilifeform: (and this is not even to mention the muskers periodically 'dropping' it, for good measure, to induce panic-selling and margin calls)
mats: institutions can't buy bitcoins at spot, there's no spot or futures btc etf, they're stuck fooling around with chump change until there's more clarity
asciilifeform: aaaand nobody cancelled ye olde waterfall. periodically reich seizes coupla thou btc and dumps on market as-needed.
asciilifeform: mats: buying bona-fide on-chain coinz is for, y'know, 'terrorists'. institutions -- print papercoin.
asciilifeform: for their purposes, is not simply as good, but better than real thing.
mats: pump and dumps don't guarantee earned money for the pumper, but it does create volatility
asciilifeform: mats: it makes 'stonks' appear to hill-climbers to be a superior horse in the glue factory. which is i suspect the primary objective.
asciilifeform: 'btc aint growing, crapple is growing'
mats: paper bitcoins are still better than dollars, honestly
asciilifeform: mats: imho this is lulzy, rather like to say that MMM stock 'still better than' ruble
mats: like it or not, lots of people prefer certified instruments over bearer instruments
asciilifeform: goxes go bust regularly. usd otoh slowly inflates to toilet paper (with presumably one day ragnarok when ->0)
mats: not like bearer instruments are downside free
asciilifeform: bank.fiatola aint a bearer instrument
asciilifeform: (suitcase.fiatola -- yes, is)
mats: whether a paper bitcoin works or not depends on the issuer
mats: i trusted trinque just fine, no problems
asciilifeform: mats: not to salt wound, but iirc you also trusted mpex
mats: correct
asciilifeform: errything 'worx' until doesn't
mats: what is this, 2014, i get hazed again
asciilifeform: mno. simply imho trusting trinque.wallet was a rational act, but mpex -- less so
asciilifeform: even a rube like asciilifeform , even in '12, was able to see that it was a pyramid
asciilifeform: folx who promise 'growth' -- MMM.
mats: if i thought i could never trust anyone ever again, i'd have left for the wilderness years ago
asciilifeform: ( to his credit, mp was moar sophisticated then mavrodi, did not ~promise~ growth.. )
asciilifeform: mats: i argue that it is often (if not necessarily always) possible to spot a scam, from given priors.
mats: mike_c and mod6 funds squatting were flags i ignored, for sure
asciilifeform: and that this does not require deep expertise. but folx do not listen to logic, they think 'yes this is a train going off a cliff, but i am 313337, i know how to jump off just in time!'
mats: like i told you before, operating on cash and carry bases has its own costs
asciilifeform: there was an interesting talk (linked iirc by mats!) maybe in '14 ? about how scammers in traditional settings (i.e. 'numbers games' in back alleys) relied on this sin, where folx believe 'yes, is scam, but i can outsmart the scammer'
asciilifeform: mats: indeed has cost. quite likely, fella who studiously avoids scams will never 'strike rich'.
asciilifeform: but also will probably not get cleaned out.
mats: careful relationship management and iterated prisoners dilemma works fine
mats: the trick is not to put so much bank roll in play you'd be cleaned out
asciilifeform wonders how many folx could honestly say they truly 'did not put too many eggs in any basket'
mats: a friend's kid brother plays the moving stuff from place to place game, grosses a respectable sum every month, and does it with basically 90% credit
asciilifeform: mats: now scale that down to a, say, 1k usd net worth.
asciilifeform: picture you were appointed as financial advisor to one such. where wouldja tell him to 'diversify' ? euro? yen ? could say it to him w/ a straight face ?
mats: the people he works with, you wouldn't trust with a nickel, and nor would a bank, but he makes it work with handshakes and stacks of paper
asciilifeform: iirc is what mp (said, at any rate) did
asciilifeform: if yer a 'people person', and made it to 'correct' geography, may work for you.
mats: i'm not a people person, but i try, and its opened doors i couldn't see were even there
mats: you can trust people again, stan. i believe in you
asciilifeform trusts his l1/meat-l1.
asciilifeform: ( re all else, see also thrd . )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-30 10:57:11 asciilifeform: shinohai: chrematism is a disease which only afflicts folx who have what to gamble away.
mats: thats a lot of dust transactions
asciilifeform: mats: iirc those were mass dustspams, i think even i got one
asciilifeform: billymg: congrats!!
billymg: asciilifeform: ty
billymg: asciilifeform: let me know what you think about how i handled importing watchglass
billymg: or anything else for that matter
asciilifeform: billymg: added link on my www, under 'usefuls'
asciilifeform: 'On my modest Rockchip with max_sockets set to 800 it completes a full scan (including ~half a million spam peers—I have not implemented blacklisting yet) in around 90 minutes ' << notbad!!
billymg: << awesome! ty, i appreciate the loper-os shoutout
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-10 21:17:05 asciilifeform: billymg: added link on my www, under 'usefuls'
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: : Could not connect!
watchglass: : Could not connect!
watchglass: : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=695197
watchglass: : Could not connect!
watchglass: : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.101s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197
watchglass: : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=695197 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.171s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197
watchglass: : Alive: (0.166s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197
watchglass: : Alive: (0.234s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197
watchglass: : Alive: (0.266s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.302s) V=88888 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695179
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.657s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.796s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
asciilifeform tries to recall what a '' is
asciilifeform: bingoboingo ^ iirc your thing ?
billymg: << the 36 number is any TRB node the crawler has encountered since it started running on my server. the homepage has a now, perhaps more useful, trb nodes active in last 48hrs
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-10 21:25:02 asciilifeform: 36 noades openly flying trb flag apparently.
watchglass: : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
watchglass: : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
asciilifeform: billymg: your link got truncated ?
billymg: which link?
asciilifeform: the 'active in 48h'
billymg: ah, no, i've just replaced what i previously had on the homepage with that list
asciilifeform: btw billymg dunno if you care but the site aint vertical-display friendly
asciilifeform: i get a horiz scrollbar
asciilifeform: ( on 2160x3840 lcd )
billymg: ah, yeah, sorry about that. on the roadmap
billymg bbl dinner
bingoboingo: asciilifeform It's just a press of TRB with the version string dropped so that it can actually communicate with non-trb nodes and maintain in sync
bingoboingo: I had run TRB nodes with 99999 until that incident where no trb nodes were getting blocks for a while
bingoboingo: Because the number of slightest bit useful non-trb nodes that will offer blocks to trb nodes running Malleus and version 99999 together is ~nil
billymg: asciilifeform: you're seeing the horizontal scroll bar on all pages or only some? 2160px wide should be more than enough, the site's width is set at 1200px but it could be some other bug with the layout/css
asciilifeform: billymg: seems to be all of'em
billymg: asciilifeform: chromium?
asciilifeform: billymg: tried chromium & chrome so far, same result
billymg: hmmmm
asciilifeform: ditto on a crapplepad
asciilifeform: << my noades contradict this hypothesis quite regularly
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-10 21:43:14 bingoboingo: Because the number of slightest bit useful non-trb nodes that will offer blocks to trb nodes running Malleus and version 99999 together is ~nil
billymg: asciilifeform: it makes sense for the ipad (and phones) since they're less than 1200px in width (which i do mean to fix soon). but shouldn't happen on reasonable desktop/laptop, so long as window is at least 1200px wide
asciilifeform: billymg: mno, 1536
billymg: yeah, that should be enough
asciilifeform: anyways seeing horiz. scrollage on all vertical displays tried so far
asciilifeform: bingoboingo: here, for instance, is almost 2y of who-gave from 'zoolag'. take even the most recent one, at the time of this writing -- it's a stereotypical heathen!
asciilifeform wonders why these dun always trigger 'malleus'
asciilifeform: point being, version string camouflage aint actually necessary for connectivity w/ heathens. (but doesn't do any harm, either)
asciilifeform: at one time it ~was~ useful for showing up in heathen noad crawlers which cut off at iirc 0.8. but today afaik all of'em filter trb by other means.
billymg: asciilifeform: i can't reproduce the horizontal scroll bar thing but possibly it will go away when i start making the site responsive
billymg: if anyone else is seeing/not seeing horizontal scroll bars when using a non-mobile browser please let me know (horizontal scroll bars should not be present)
billymg: asciilifeform: some data re: prb nodes returning peers:
billymg: not exactly scientific grade experiment (it doesn't go back and retest once it finds a combination that works) but does give some indication of which magic bits PRB responds to
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