mats: the shirt printing guy just wants attention
trinque: that there is no aggregate identity without some malignant fuck lying to everyone may be the most concise statement of my disappointment in the entire enterprise.
trinque: as for the scammer mp hypothesis, this is also nonsense.
trinque: I fail to see where he took something that benefited him.
trinque: I see a man that took on an impossible task
trinque: this like everything in life, but moreso, is thankless.
trinque: and I suspect it has a cost
mats: he stole funds from me, lol
trinque: oh? I didn't know, do tell
mats: i was a coinbr customer
trinque: did he just leave with w/e was in that account on mpex?
trinque: this perhaps escaped me
mats: yes
trinque: ah, I wasn't aware.
mats: i shouldve known better after he stole from mike_c, but here we are
trinque: hm, that's pretty unforgivable.
mats: after a buncha years filling his veins with lard and booze, it really was predictable he'd pitch a fit
trinque: a man is either an author of truth or isn't
mats: trilema archives still good tho
trinque: that's too bad
trinque: anyhow, point remains I'd like to think there's reason to associate aside mp
trinque: bbl
mats: sadly not readable now, just food posts and literotica like hes a sixty year old widow
verisimilitude: That would be a ``widower'', and I agree with that, trinque.
nubs: You guys changed. IRC is supposed to be asynchronous communication, that’s why there are logs. What’s with the meltdowns about me logging out?
nubs: Also, it is apparently not common knowledge even in here about coinbr funds?
nubs: Also, seems I really hurt everyone’s feelings by calling the daily stormer nazis, gee sorry guys lol
nubs: Did you hear about parler? Hilarious, heavy Bitcoin entrepreneur vibe. Enumerating video URLs without any auth checking lol
nubs: Haven’t seen coding that bad since Havelock
nubs: It’s like they threw a proof of concept together and then just said “yup, good enough”
nubs: Trinque do you have more respect for my “I always knew shit” now that you know MP took the bag and run? Lel
nubs: I sounded the alarm about his scammy ways re: bitbet and iirc kako was the only one who heeded warning
nubs: I pressed it pretty hard admittedly, but in retrospect, not sure if you recall the particulars, it was pretty scammy
nubs: Magical “the coinz can only move in ways that benefit me” thinking
nubs: Mats what did MP steal from mike_c? Wasn’t he the guy who had the apparently now-dead eulora wiki?
nubs: Also fwiw Alf I’m glad you’re not down in Costa Rica at MP’s compound with a zip tie around your neck, lol Christ what a fucking freak
nubs: No way to put this delicately but you guys should consider analyzing whether all this stuff has changed your thought patterns over the past decade or so, brainwashing happens so slowly you don’t even realize it’s happening
nubs: Doubt any of those freaks in DC could have imagined themselves there even 5 years ago
nubs: Anyway gotta go, I’m sure I’ll check the logs
trinque: the freaks in DC are just reacting to their own poverty, like the blm folks are.
trinque: and meanwhile the government taking advantage of the situation as governments do.
trinque: nubs you ignored the substance of my reply
trinque: I fwiw am not content to spend the next years bitching about mp, nor being pressed to do so
trinque: as for my opinion of you, it's hard to say. we talked about tripping and zen a few years back. that's all I've got atm.
trinque: I did not then, nor now, think there are republics of one.
shinohai: Buenas dias trinque o/
trinque: morning!
shinohai: Was just catching up on logs and about to comment on http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-18#1029320 ... there are few remaining bastions of sanity on net and glad there is still some semblance of one here.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 00:24:42 trinque: anyhow, point remains I'd like to think there's reason to associate aside mp
trinque: if nubs is curious what kept me going, much of it was mp+alf megathreads, out of which all manner of interesting topics sprang.
thimbronion: trinque: was largely the same for me.
trinque: the tech for finding people capable of those is still shit, btw.
trinque: perhaps we should consider it a blessing that our own shitty prototype failed
trinque: worst curse is a shitty prototype growing legs
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-17#1029292 << ftr, he's this fella.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-17 23:51:15 verisimilitude: I've never met this nubs before, so I've no respect for him at all.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-18#1029300 << imho pretty strange that he vanishes for 5+y and ~now~ wants whatever
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 00:02:03 mats: the shirt printing guy just wants attention
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-18#1029302 << fwiw the biggest surprise to asciilifeform was that there was any 3rdparty coin at all still remaining on mpex for mp, out of sheer ego would spite, to steal, after the latter had for year+ prattled on about 'sovereignty', 'majesty', and similar imho preludes to the final act
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 00:13:09 trinque: as for the scammer mp hypothesis, this is also nonsense.
asciilifeform: ... act of theft, which 'majesty' obv. would frame as 'confiscation from criminals'.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-18#1029303 << the motive wasn't monetary. rather like how trump's wasn't.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 00:14:08 trinque: I fail to see where he took something that benefited him.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-18 11:55:59 asciilifeform: not quite same item then. 'zhirik' is well-known figure, initially put in charge of '1st non-kpss party' (by kgp, project curator), then reliably elected to parliament where he plays ru equiv. of 'maga' ( picks up microphone, 'let's reconquer estonia and use to store nuke waste', 'let's nuke istanbul in revenge for the plane in syria', etc )
trinque: that was me not realizing that mpex was still a thing.
trinque never had an acct
asciilifeform: *ego wound
asciilifeform: trinque: i had demo acct for short time. ( after end of demo, i decided -- didn't like, and gave mp back his coin )
asciilifeform: trinque: i'd be at least a little surprised if ~even now~ there aint a pretense of 'mpex is still a thing'; if you were to bake a fresh pubkey and offer mp 50 (or was it 100 on last price adjust?) btc , he will prolly be happy to make account...
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 00:22:09 trinque: did he just leave with w/e was in that account on mpex?
snsabot: Logged on 2020-05-11 04:53:33 jurov: to make matters clear from my side: "withdrawals are possible except for people who ask" === "mpex is in default and thus coinbr too"
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-18#1029316 << imho the booze was an effect, rather than cause, of the 'napoleonic' approach.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 00:23:58 mats: after a buncha years filling his veins with lard and booze, it really was predictable he'd pitch a fit
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-18#1029301 << externally-imposed (by a charismatic nutter; or by shipwrecking on island; or sitting in same auschwitz barrack; etc) aggregation works until the obvious single point of failure (the nutter folds; rescue vessel comes; war ends) and then evaporates
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 00:09:41 trinque: that there is no aggregate identity without some malignant fuck lying to everyone may be the most concise statement of my disappointment in the entire enterprise.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-18#1029322 << i quit reading his www some time in june iirc. ( and apparently even the old ro regulars had quit by then ? )
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 00:27:36 mats: sadly not readable now, just food posts and literotica like hes a sixty year old widow
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-04 14:00:02 asciilifeform: shinohai: it's filed in my firewall w/ other 'garbage pits just entertaining enuff to distract for coupla hrs if clicked'
snsabot: Logged on 2020-04-23 19:35:34 asciilifeform: shinohai: i blame, lol, mp -- seems like he's been 'buying traffic' (why?! nfi, ask him, not me) and some of the spamola is spilling into my www's
asciilifeform: fwiw if asciilifeform were awarding olympic medals for 'persistent trollage', mp would get gold -- counted iirc no fewer than dozen 2020 pieces of his where variations on 'asciilifeform delenda est'.
shinohai: kek
trinque meanwhile chuckling over the prices of various usd-demonimated assets divided by m2
trinque: *denominated
asciilifeform: trinque: plox to expand ?
asciilifeform: hm, i get a blank page
trinque: packed with js
trinque: lemme squeeze out a png for ya on my website
trinque: ah cool
asciilifeform: trinque: neato
trinque: at any rate, even using "official" money supply measures, btc isn't much higher than the last peak, and the s&p has been flat for years
trinque: shocking no one, of course.
asciilifeform: trinque: aha
snsabot: (alethepedia) 2020-10-11 asciilifeform: thimbronion: the altcoinists -- sure . but i was speaking of the fact that the exch rate prolly aint growing another 0 -- or rather, not w/out the dollar price of archaetypical sandwich also growing a zero.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: I can reliably inform you that my btc buys more than it used to.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: i believe
trinque: https://archive.is/cChT2 << longer view of same
trinque: thimbronion: I think the point is rather that adding a zero means expanding into something which will start to harm the dollar.
trinque: if for example it significantly replaced treasuries
trinque: (which yield negative in real terms, so even assuming btc levels off in the future, it's better storage)
trinque: that'd harm the usg's ability to steal from pensions etc., which'd increase outright money printing.
asciilifeform: trinque: they're more than happy, apparently, to retool into stealing at the point of btc/usd interface
asciilifeform: ( along w/ the occasional straight coin heist )
trinque: sure, later, "wealth tax" too
trinque: it'll be interesting to see whether the next plunge goes as deep as 08-09, or deeper.
thimbronion: Or if it doesn't plunge at all.
trinque: there's always a next plunge, no?
thimbronion: Oh woops, sorry was thinking btc.
trinque: speaking of the s&p here, not btc
trinque: yeah
thimbronion: I can't see how it can be allowed to plunge.
asciilifeform: trinque: the usg numbers can be whatever the number-cookers want'em to be. while at same time there will be ever less food content in the 'food', sovok-style shortages (various goods already in perma-shortage) etc
trinque: looking at this graph I don't see that, but a ceiling.
thimbronion: Otoh given the weak response of small business owners to their recent dekulakization, perhaps they can let it plunge without consequence.
asciilifeform: trinque: maybe i'm thick, but where is the ceiling ?
asciilifeform: what, hypothetically, happens when this ceiling touched ?
trinque: we've never passed about 2/3 of the dot-com bubble peak / m2 in the last 20yrs
trinque: for this to go up, there'd have to be more value in the stocks without more money printing.
asciilifeform: imho 'm2' is misleading abstraction ( 'money printer' indeed 'goes brrr', but the output is mostly entombed like nuke waste )
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-06 22:13:49 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-06#1028469 << doubt it (at least, in the form 'ubiism' is normally depicted, where 'don't want to mop floors? dun have to, live on cat food in phree 1room flat') . atm they only hand out phreedough to folx who'll park it in realestate, stocks, other 'harmless' toxicwaste dumps. rather than push up price of petrobread etc for plebes to the point of civil war
asciilifeform: trinque: so in principle it aint difficult to push e.g. crapple stock to almost arbitrary value. simply a) print moolah b) make folx who want to sell any significant mass 'have problems'
asciilifeform: consider how usg has inadvertently helped to pump up btc via a decade of (b)
trinque: isn't this what I'm saying?
asciilifeform: trinque: hm i thought you were suggesting that there is a numeric breaking point somewhere
trinque: I'm groping around for a way to back out the money printing.
trinque: looking at the graph, it looks like prior to 2000 prices were increasing more than the increase in money supply, whereas for the last 20yrs they've never exceeded the growth in money supply.
trinque: this'd be more interesting with a truer measure of inflation, I think.
mats: nubs: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-12-19#1003953 i forget how the actual arrangement turned out, but this is how it started. bb 'hired' to make plea on mike_c's behalf, then ~30% haircut
snsabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 02:58:38 mike_c: BingoBoingo: I changed my mind, and my offer to hire you: I send you fee of 30 BTC (same amount the mpex account cost coincidentally). If you lose the case and I don't recover my dividend, you send 10 BTC to ascii (nothing to me). If you win and I do recover, then I send 10 BTC to ascii (and you keep the 30). in case of partial recovery, i dunno, we do something gentlemanly.
mats: tbh i still find it hard to believe a man would spend years of his life publishing about trust and reputation, spend many thousands of btc to facilitate early btc finance and bust scams, would deliberately nuke all of that work - and ongoing like eulora - over spite
verisimilitude: Never underestimate spite.
mats: he must be experiencing incredible loneliness and suffering at his hideout, to not even consider the consequences of publicly declaring on his blog he's just another petty grifter
mats: poor guy.
mats: if chetty was still around, she'd have counseled him against something so rash and pointless, but by now he's completely surrounded himself with yes womens
verisimilitude: So he'll need to cry in his champagne, will he; yes, poor guy.
asciilifeform: mats: last i knew, he didn't think at all that his reputation 'nuked'. thought 'master of the universe, more than ever! and finally kicked out all those lamers who were basking in my majesty for phree'
mats: the real irony here is that a nobody in tmsr like me spent three digits btc to bust the mp scam
mats: rip
verisimilitude: What was this scam again?
asciilifeform: mats: elaborate ?
mats: coinbr theft
asciilifeform: mats: right. but maybe i'm thick, how didja 'spend three digits.. to bust'
mats: hyperbole
asciilifeform: mats: aa. ( last i recalled, mats was nailed w/ the other coinbr users )
snsabot: (therealbitcoin) 2020-06-06 mats: yes, i understand some of you in here wanted just this outcome
trinque ftr thinks what he wants is of little importance, which is sorta the point.
trinque: my own opinion of all this was expressed in how I operated deedbot.
asciilifeform: trinque: aha. cuz trinque aint a psychopath. whereas to psychopath, literally errything on satan's green earth exists 'because i want'. and all evidence to the contrary will be seen as 'intransigent pantsuits refusing to kiss the ring' etc
trinque: "folks who can will do what they want"
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm firmly convinced that mp saw other people strictly as npc.
trinque: what'd be more interesting than this is fixing the tech
jurov: mats: coinbr went on just because your ilk pleaded me to keep it running 4 years ago. and i was foolish enought to hope for good outcome
asciilifeform: trinque: one of the coupla 'lessons' from mp era is that 'fix the machines' aint enuff, also have to somehow fix at least some # of ~heads~
trinque: wot? protocol. chat? protocol. etc
trinque: asciilifeform: how do you expect to find the heads to fix, or fix the heads?
trinque: a major conceit was "they'll show up on our sanctified hall of freenode and prostrate themselves"
asciilifeform: trinque: consider -- e.g. p2p warez existed in '90s. where did it go ? wainot p2p chats etc. ? where did it go, this idea ? how turned into 'ohnoez, we can't have chat app if crapple's app store bans' etc ?
snsabot: (trilema) 2018-07-13 asciilifeform: funnily related story, back when asciilifeform was a uni student, cellpnojeism was beginning to spread among plebelands, and asciilifeform noticed that folx were paying telco fiddycents/minute to talk over 1-2km ! so asciilifeform went, like naive idjit, to engineering profs, with 'p2p telephony' proposal thing, reaction was the exact sort of through-the-teeth laughter of today's bernstein re phuctor .
trinque: I do not find myself particularly special, and would be satisfied with 10-20 similar derps with which to push a few things along.
mats: jurov: you were paid generously out of my trading profits
asciilifeform: trinque: so far it's afaik just you an' me. ( and , sadly, asciilifeform not yet replicated even nao trinque's gcc; and trinque afaik not yet eaten ffa ) and (can't speak for trinque, but only self) stuck doing in 'geological time'
asciilifeform: trinque: to date, asciilifeform's attempts to probe heathens re 'what if actual decentralized net' all abruptly ended when asciilifeform revealed that 'no, won't run in $appstore'
asciilifeform: ~heads~ broken, not merely machines. (if heads worked -- machines also would work)
jurov: mats: yes but this ended with bitbet
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-18#1029453 I've written at some length about how dehumanizing others works quite well for dealing with them, but the people here and other places I associate tend to be alright.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 13:49:22 asciilifeform: trinque: i'm firmly convinced that mp saw other people strictly as npc.
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-18#1029464 I've wanted to give FFA the reading through I'd figure it deserves, but have fallen behind with other work. It puts into the proper perspective for me, asciilifeform, that I somewhat resent my work tending to go ignored, but that I've largely ignored FFA so far.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 13:55:56 asciilifeform: trinque: so far it's afaik just you an' me. ( and , sadly, asciilifeform not yet replicated even nao trinque's gcc; and trinque afaik not yet eaten ffa ) and (can't speak for trinque, but only self) stuck doing in 'geological time'
verisimilitude: Although, I only intend mine MMC and other tools of my design for myself, so it's not too harsh for me. It's pleasant to have something I can look upon and actually smile at.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: ffa wasn't written 'to be interesting to read', but for concrete battlefield applications (which i know trinque to be interested in)
snsabot: Logged on 2020-03-19 12:32:20 asciilifeform: why the hell is a typical public www bound to 1 box? specifically, why could not exist as an auto-mirrorable directory of signed material ?
asciilifeform: i dun expect verisimilitude to prioritize reading it (or to read it at all), it's a rather heavy item to eat 'out of because interesting'
thimbronion: asciilifeform: I too am very interested in p2p comms.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: whole thing started w/ asciilifeform's (long pre-dated, incidentally, meeting mp et al) interest in p2p comms.
asciilifeform: where 'traditionally' implemented (i.e. variable-time w/ hamming weight of inputs) rsa -- leaks secrets
thimbronion: asciilifeform: it was one of the first things I spoke about in #bitcoin-assets, misguided though I was at the time: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-01-19#1376959
snsabot: (trilema) 2016-01-19 gernika: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376813 << this exists and is known as Bitmessage. Does not use gpg though.
asciilifeform did not realize how much, in practice, leaks, until in late '15 ended up in a salt mine where ordered to review academitard lit re pseudo-attempts to plug said leaks
verisimilitude: I've been in conversations with another fellow who wants to work on P2P communications; perhaps I'll point him here.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: before you do, check out how previous one went
asciilifeform: if yours is similar to that one -- plz dun bring him
verisimilitude: I don't know too terribly much about this fellow of mine, so I'll remain wary, be assured.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: asciilifeform at one pt had own, personal nsa provocateur assigned. since then, pretty quick on the trigger re 'unknown fellas w/ bright ideas'
snsabot: (trilema) 2014-06-26 asciilifeform: ;;rate ninjashogun -1 http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ninjashogun.txt
verisimilitude: Maybe one day I'll be important enough to be harrassed like that.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: imho was moar from overabundance of hands on their end, than from asciilifeform's importance
asciilifeform: 1 of the things the 'money printer go brrr' buys, is hiring moar an' more of'em
asciilifeform: at some pt will reach the magic # of ddr stasi (~20% of population employed as stoolies)
verisimilitude: I believe ``employed'' is the wrong word here.
asciilifeform: difficult to know how many were employed in the usual sense, and how many 'for pat on the head', like the folx who, is said, mailed in 150k denunciations to fbi last week
verisimilitude: I particularly like that way of putting it, ``for pat on the head''.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in sovok, typical motives for denunciation was to get accused's a) job b) flat c) wife
asciilifeform: (most commonly -- b)
verisimilitude: Others have discussed how now it's done for just ``upvotes'' on Reddit. I've seen these others joke about how the USSR would've avoided collapse, had it discovered it was so easy.
asciilifeform observes that today ~10x moar than usual log www traffic.
verisimilitude: Things are usual with mine. I tend to get between one and two thousand HTTP requests per day; how does loper-os fare in this respect?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-18#1029459 << not being mp, i dun expect prostration. but do expect that most visitors will probably react as if did expect , given that asciilifeform will ~not~ yield to morons who e.g. 'wainot write for aol^H^H^Hiphone and mswin', 'wainot openssl', 'what is this nonsense where you expect folx to use actual programmable computers', etc
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 13:51:51 trinque: a major conceit was "they'll show up on our sanctified hall of freenode and prostrate themselves"
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: loper-os does ~1G/day on avg. (nfi how many exactly 'hits', difficult to count) . was speaking of the log www however.
verisimilitude: Oh, so about the same as mine.
asciilifeform ftr never has, and never will, made any attempt to 'drive traffic' to his www.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-04-23 19:35:34 asciilifeform: shinohai: i blame, lol, mp -- seems like he's been 'buying traffic' (why?! nfi, ask him, not me) and some of the spamola is spilling into my www's
asciilifeform: cuz wtf, why.
verisimilitude: I did some in 2019, but effectively none in 2020.
verisimilitude: Unsurprisingly, 2019 had much more traffic for me than 2020.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: once in a blue moon i leave a link in (strictly on-subj) comments on other folxs' sites.
verisimilitude: Of course; that's the payment for commenting.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-18#1029327 << wai surprised, when the thing was made by same indian coolies as all other appstoreisms ?
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 09:38:07 nubs: Did you hear about parler? Hilarious, heavy Bitcoin entrepreneur vibe. Enumerating video URLs without any auth checking lol
whaack: nubs: I can confirm that I have 0 desire to go back to the US after having moved to CR
verisimilitude: I regret having made a Hacker News account, considering their foolishness, but was incensed when another uploaded my work and there was nary one comment. My work has since received some attention, not the most interesting work of course, but the most easily understood, and I've since lost most interest in using it, but I can't delete the account.
verisimilitude: Being on the front page could drive ten thousand requests easily.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: iirc linking to asciilifeform's www on hn will actually getcha 'hellbanned'
asciilifeform: i suppose this is a kind of 'honour'.
verisimilitude: I wouldn't know; I've a policy of never voting, and only uploading mine articles.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it's a ~complete intellectual desert, since '09 or so, dunbother
verisimilitude: I was banned from Hacker News' retarded little brother, Lobsters, where I kept the same policy. I was banned, without exaggeration, from being ``downvoted'' too much, despite no other ``issues''.
whaack: Trilema's tits was the hook that lured my stoner 21yo self to reading interesting shit that drastically improved my quality of life. I have this sense of having been brainwashed for the better
verisimilitude: s/from being/for being/
whaack: by trilema's tits i mean mp's writing style and content (of course including actual pics of tits)
shinohai: Troo whaack ... there certainly could have been *worse* wastes of time. xD
asciilifeform: whaack: iirc BingoBoingo had similar experience -- he quit drink
asciilifeform: on this subj, and iirc asciilifeform addressed it before many times -- the reason why will NOT respect whiners about 'cults' -- is that there is NOT in fact such a thing as 'not being in a cult'. the saeculum is ALSO equally a cult. and an especially grotesque one
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 09:42:10 nubs: Trinque do you have more respect for my “I always knew shit” now that you know MP took the bag and run? Lel
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 09:51:45 nubs: No way to put this delicately but you guys should consider analyzing whether all this stuff has changed your thought patterns over the past decade or so, brainwashing happens so slowly you don’t even realize it’s happening
asciilifeform: say, e.g. nubs, what didja get in exchange for those however-many yrs of tele-fellating pelosi's clit , 'fighting nazis' from your beer armchair, etc ?
asciilifeform: the folx who worked w/ mp got at least to e.g. quit vodka; bought some coin ( mp was a++ coin seller almost till the end ! ) , and other usefuls.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-11-03 15:17:08 trinque: I've been grunting through the vulgate when I have time.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: indeed - I was brainwashed into reading most of the Anabasis in Ancient Greek.
asciilifeform: ftr, where asciilifeform lives, the 'normal' folx -- who 'aren't in a cult!!' -- increasingly look like this.
snsabot: (trilema) 2018-01-04 asciilifeform: 'the extent to which men's-rights-activist and racist talking points had made it into their discourse, and the way the individualist edifice of their world-view enabled their pre-fascist ideas'
verisimilitude: This reminds me of an online suicide cult that fizzled out a few years back.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: elaborate?
verisimilitude: It was the basic ``The worlds are going to merge. Get better real estate by getting there first.'' deal with an Internet and anime twist.
verisimilitude: I'll find a link.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: don'tbother
verisimilitude: Alright.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: my understanding is that 'heaven gates' used to be moar popular back when avg moron ~had~ some 'worldly goods' to sign over to operator
asciilifeform: today not as much, what can get from homo redditus ?
verisimilitude: On the topic of everyone being in a cult, I agree, but it would lessen my writing against certain cults to point this out.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i dun see how these contradict.
verisimilitude: Well, why point it out unless it's undeniably favourable to me?
verisimilitude: It doesn't benefit me to point out my cults, when arguing against other cults.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'none of the market offerings in cults currently satisfy' is entirely valid position to hold
verisimilitude: Well, being fair, I'm arguably part of some esoteric, informal pseudo-cults.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: imho all thinking people since at least the pythagoreans, have been.
verisimilitude: It just happened to me naturally.
asciilifeform: which is another aspect of why asciilifeform falls down laffing when e.g. nubs shows up to whinge about 'cult'. asciilifeform co-designed that 'cult'. and aint the least bit sorry. and takes a steaming piss on 'normal people' and their fraudulent 'not being in cults' and equally not sorry.
verisimilitude: Normal people would be awful even without a cult.
trinque: verisimilitude: you have an incomplete definition of cult
trinque: when they're big you call them cultures.
trinque: there are no humans without these
nubs: A bit disappointed that the best alf’s imagination can come up with is “tele-fellating pelosi’s clit”, you really are taking the daily stormer thing seriously huh
nubs: Very “sports brained”
nubs: “Oh you must like the OTHER team”
trinque 's best buddy is quite jewish, so, lol?
trinque: what do you want nubs?
nubs: Just here to chat
trinque: well, quite a few people responded to you, so maybe you'll do so.
verisimilitude: The proper term for a large cult is ``religion'', trinque.
nubs: Fair enough!! Been an interesting few years for me!
verisimilitude: Yes, the Daily Stormer is so wrong it had to be censored with unprecedented actions not even terrorist organizations are attacked with.
nubs: I’m laughing specifically about pankkake donating coinz to them
trinque: he was sorta before my time, but anyone thinking the american larp-right's going anywhere has self-selected into stupidity
nubs: Imagine if for your final act on this earth, you send a half million bucks to a bunch of American chuds and they use the money to rent buses and get arrested
trinque recalls when weev showed up talking about "promoting his brand"
nubs: Trinque yes the larping is one way street
nubs: I’m glad I saw lots of the USA when I was young
verisimilitude: Let's be fair, trinque, the government keeps attacking them. The government doesn't need to entrap negroes, because they're no real threat to the USG.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-06 21:42:30 trinque: it's class, and there are loads of whites down there too.
verisimilitude: Negroes keep rioting, but the FBI is concerned about ``white supremacists''.
trinque: verisimilitude sounds like you've never been to the poor parts of the south
nubs: Sounds like he’s hardly been 10ft from input device
verisimilitude: I'm not going to reveal my personal life, but rest assured that's wrong, trinque.
verisimilitude: In the modern USA, class is mostly determined by race, it's just hidden.
nubs: It is absolutely amazing how quickly ppl’s brains can be boiled, there are even q type folx in my neck of the woods
trinque: hell, the qanon thing is in congress
nubs: Analyzing solar flare maps for cluez
nubs: Yes
nubs: Chud nation
verisimilitude: It's reasonably amusing, when I'm not surrounded by them.
verisimilitude: I keep seeing this latest lingo, ``chud'', and I don't quite know what it means, but I dislike it alongside the rest.
nubs did not “pop up out of blue” fwiw, been occasionally reading logs, etc
verisimilitude: Feel free to comment on any of my work, nubs; I'd be interested.
nubs: Hmm yes what is a chud even
nubs: Hard to take ppl who use word “negro” so often seriously, so I might pass on checking out your word, cheers tho
verisimilitude: It's just a classifier. Were I meaning offensive, I'd call them niggers.
trinque groans
nubs: Consider my statement suitably modified
verisimilitude: s/offensive/offense/
nubs: Re: chud, hard to pin down the essence of it, idk. Misidentifying the source of one’s problems plays a part
trinque: incidentally it was the attorney general who kept the BLM protests from getting violently crushed
trinque: orangedude wanted to
nubs: Self aware ppl are rarely chuddish
verisimilitude: It's difficult to take one who uses this slong ``chud'' so often seriously.
nubs: Is there an echo
nubs: I personally hate cops so it was nice to see the word turning on them
nubs: *world
verisimilitude: The USA isn't the world.
nubs: Nooooooo kidding
nubs: Hardly a union at this point
verisimilitude: It was particularly sickening to see negroes and other activists try to protest police in other countries. I observed some Japanese mocking it on 2chan or whatever.
nubs: You’re a fan of the cops, are you
verisimilitude: No.
nubs: Sounds it
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-18#1029479 <<< My last experience with "pybitmessage" left me feeling it was utter garbage.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 14:12:33 thimbronion: asciilifeform: it was one of the first things I spoke about in #bitcoin-assets, misguided though I was at the time: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-01-19#1376959
thimbronion: shinohai: it ended up having a serious security flaw - don't recall the details.
shinohai: Yeah there was some sort of RCE, don't recall what either.
shinohai: $blocks btc
btcinfobot: Blocks: 666666
shinohai: \o/
asciilifeform: lol
shinohai: Sadly had no virgin to sacrifice for the block.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-18#1029601 << last i saw, party line flipped to 'police are great' ( strictly for so long as they're shooting white rioters in red hats )
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 16:38:51 nubs: I personally hate cops so it was nice to see the word turning on them
asciilifeform: 'can't have a police state without police'(tm)(r)('uncle al' schwartz)
shinohai: Judging by fence outside Capitol building in DC, walls also work now too.
asciilifeform: shinohai: wall, barbed wire, mg nests, whole 'east berlin' worx
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-18#1029568 << if one were to take literally the 'nazi' cosmography -- the current-day hitler needs a beer hall putsch to get arrested in, so that he can do time and write his 'mein kampf' etc
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 16:27:15 nubs: Imagine if for your final act on this earth, you send a half million bucks to a bunch of American chuds and they use the money to rent buses and get arrested
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 16:27:24 trinque: recalls when weev showed up talking about "promoting his brand"
snsabot: (trilema) 2017-12-22 weevlos: but we want to be a normal website
trinque: aha, pornographer.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-18#1029558 << personally, i'd cheer for team genghis khan.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 16:23:27 nubs: “Oh you must like the OTHER team”
asciilifeform: ( cached )
verisimilitude: The second sentence jumps out at me.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-18#1029582 << see also. it's a standard usg discreditation algorithm -- make sure 9 outta 10 dissenters are diagnosable schizos or repeating spew of same
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 16:30:41 nubs: Analyzing solar flare maps for cluez
snsabot: (trilema) 2016-11-22 asciilifeform: the photos of 'victim kidz' added to the mix is same gambit as when the 'martians did it' folx were turned loose upon '9/11 truth'.
snsabot: (trilema) 2017-03-13 asciilifeform: aha, sorta how '9/11 truth' came to ~mandatorily~ include 'martians did it'
asciilifeform: this is where 50+y of crippling ameri-education pays off for'em. the victims are unable to reject elementarily unphysical poppycock, follow simple syllogisms, etc
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-18#1029566 << even supposing the story took place as alleged -- i'd suggest that he did it simply to troll you an' yer 'team'.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 16:26:39 nubs: I’m laughing specifically about pankkake donating coinz to them
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-01-18#1029575 << recall how 16th c. germany had a witch problem ? they kept burnin' and burnin' and still not enuff...
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 16:28:59 verisimilitude: Negroes keep rioting, but the FBI is concerned about ``white supremacists''.
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
btcinfobot: Current BTC price in USD: $36744.33
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 15 nodes...
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verisimilitude: It's interesting how Orlov mentions whites and jews, but falls short of the finished thought there.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: which thought ? that usa is a kind of yugoslavia ? he has at least 3 books on subj.
verisimilitude: I've primarily had a USA education, so I'm of course ignorant of how Yugoslavia relates.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i rec to review subj.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: yugo is archaetypical example of 'buncha tribes ready to fight to the death, stuck in accidental border'
verisimilitude: Oh, it's one of those ``draw the borders there because I say so'' non-states.
verisimilitude: Anyway, I meant the USA is a controlled satellite state.
verisimilitude: I don't recall reading Russia was invaded by a foreign power after the USSR collapsed.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the foreign power there was called soros.
asciilifeform: ( who, is said, is working on usa currently )
verisimilitude: Since we know who Soros is, it's clearly not just him.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'soros & co'
verisimilitude: I leave determining the group I find responsible for this chaos as an exercise to any reader of mine.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: familiar with phrase 'controlled chaos'(tm) ?
verisimilitude: ``We will lead the revolution against us.''
verisimilitude: Yes, that article doesn't seem as nice after mulling over it longer.
verisimilitude: I don't know how the Mongol monetary system worked, but we know what happens to independent such systems.
verisimilitude: Were the Mongols the dominant world power, they'd have the same great friends the US does, which would slowly kill them.
verisimilitude: Phrased differently, with friends as the US has, who needs enemies?
verisimilitude: Back to programming, it's poor how Common Lisp, despite being image-based, doesn't have strong facilities for generating wholesale programs, in the sense of a program which would output a template to file, as a human would. Sure, I could fiddle with the *PRINT- values, but this is comparatively weak. It's so weak, I've found an alternative solution which avoids needing to do this.