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(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: adlai: see also.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform wonders whether rebrand from 'new kind of science'(tm)(r)(c) to 'wolfram's physics'(tm)(r)(c) is step up or down in degree of megalomania ...
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: trinque: i developed allergy. (to wolfram, not cell-physics.) but if you get into subj and find sumthing that wasn't in nks -- plox to write in.
(asciilifeform) trinque: asciilifeform: interesting, at any rate he's put together a cult to try to run the cellular physics over the line
(asciilifeform) Aerthean: In this case I think the guy either met or knew people close to Wolfram, so unlikely to change. I'm not sure he even has to pay for his copy.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: and not simply because of cost, vendor-lock, etc. wolfram's support & bug handling makes microshit's look responsive and sane in comparison.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ... twice ! 2nd time, when 'wolfram alpha' hype-demo circus.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: in ratio of 'promised to delivered goods' , wolfram managed to approach pons&fleischmann...
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: revisiting wolfram -- it aint clear to me that he had ever, in whole life, had an idea (in the claimed sense.) specifically 'automata physics' aint his idea. belongs to von neumann & co. likewise 'rule 110' -- m. cook.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: (trilema) 2015-04-09 ascii_field: 'The real problem with this result, however, is that it is not Wolfram's. He didn't invent cyclic tag systems, and he didn't come up with the incredibly intricate construction needed to implement them in Rule 110. This was done rather by one Matthew Cook, while working in Wolfram's employ under a contract with some truly remarkable provisions about intellectual property. In short, Wolfram got to control not only when and
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: trinque: you prolly already know, but he's been 'doing it' for decades .
(asciilifeform) trinque: Aerthean: what do you think of what Wolfram's up to currently?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: all it is, is modular multiplicative inverse, i.e. in constant spacetime, for given n,m find i where n*i === 1 mod m .
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: re your copyrasty article & elena ceausescu -- the interesting part is that in the so-called 'free world', ceausescus of this kind are the ~rule~, rather than the exception. from edison (who invented the 'biz model' of 'keep 9000 researchers for starvation wage and harvest 100% of profit' to e.g. steve wolfram's lawsuit re cook's 'rule 110', to the chair of just about eve
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2014-07-07 11:21 mircea_popescu: ay by the industries of Catalonia and the Basque Country. For Spain to be made healthy, they have to be destroyed. The German Chief of Staff Wolfram von Richthofen listened thunderstruck then recited to Mola all the reasons why it was madness to destroy a country’s industrial base, telling him that ‘I have never in my life heard such idiocy’
(trilema) asciilifeform: in other noose ! http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6rnvA/?raw=true << prelim. smoke test of ch18 example 2048b prime gen. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/USsFD/?raw=true << sample output with timing. all the primes pass on e.g. wolfram's , if anyone has a favourite 3rdparty litmus, plox to try also when ch18 posted.
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( incidentally just like wolfram's 'mathematica' in the initial versions )
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835982 << at one time , on usg throne, i was on receiving end of this treatment, wolfram co flew in emissaries to pitch their various bells an' whistles and 'see how much they can get'
(trilema) asciilifeform: it's the wolframalpha problem -- doing a proper job is ai-complete. so attempting the job at all results in a duct tape perlism that 'works on a good day', when the wind is just-so
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2015-04-09 21:21 ascii_field: anyway, i happen to know more than a reasonable man ought to, about wolframism
(trilema) asciilifeform: wolfram surely deserves whipping post regardless. ( he is to be counted, imho, right up there with the greatest american charlatans, with josephsmith, edison, gates, et al )
(trilema) asciilifeform: long pre-dates wolframism
(trilema) phf: i blame wolfram
(trilema) asciilifeform: mod6: re upstack, http://mathworld.wolfram.com/StirlingsApproximation.html has the details.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: gotta to something with aqll the wolfram they're not using for proper lightbulbs anymore.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-01-03 23:09 asciilifeform: and if you can achieve it in a ~discrete~ system, you can get wolfram to drink himself to death, by properly demonstrating 'cellular physics' (tm) (r) where he failed.
(trilema) asciilifeform: and if you can achieve it in a ~discrete~ system, you can get wolfram to drink himself to death, by properly demonstrating 'cellular physics' (tm) (r) where he failed.
(trilema) asciilifeform pictures herr wolfram reading the article about him, and going 'neinneinneinneiennein!1111, banging head'
(trilema) asciilifeform: in other lulz, latest visitors to my www, and then to nosuchlabs: employees of Wolfram Co.
(trilema) asciilifeform: !#s http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/07/wolfram-alpha-and-hubristic-user.html
(trilema) a111: 4 results for "http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/07/wolfram-alpha-and-hubristic-user.html", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Funqualified-reservations.blogspot.com%2F2009%2F07%2Fwolfram-alpha-and-hubristic-user.html
(trilema) asciilifeform: the way i read it, he was talking about something like http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/07/wolfram-alpha-and-hubristic-user.html .
(trilema) mircea_popescu: one man's tonite's another man's wolfram
(trilema) asciilifeform: complete with mr mold's wolfram alpha essay
(trilema) asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: wolfram 'alpha'
(trilema) asciilifeform: re the evils of dwim, one of mr mold's few technical articles, from the old dayz, http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/07/wolfram-alpha-and-hubristic-user.html
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PrimeNumberTheorem.html
(trilema) mircea_popescu: i suppose the fiat world has burned these poor people so consistently (see the plouffe thing recently discussed, see the notorious wolfram thing etc) it's just the default expectation. and then ~bitcoin~ is the scam.
(trilema) asciilifeform: wolfram did it to somebody else
(trilema) mircea_popescu: did i read this exact thing before re wolfram ?
(trilema) pete_dushenski: but by... wolfram
(trilema) assbot: Farewell, Marvin Minsky (1927–2016)—Stephen Wolfram Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1ScjwGN )
(trilema) pete_dushenski: http://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2016/01/farewell-marvin-minsky-19272016/
(trilema) adlai defers to an oft-repeated meniism: "if you care about friendly AI, donate to stephen wolfram" (or was it that other fanfic author?)
(trilema) ascii_butugychag: if mircea_popescu's ego cock at least fits on a cable spool, of the kind used to carry fiber on a truck, wolfram's - only fits in the bilge of a 1890s cable-laying steamer
(trilema) asciilifeform: taleb makes wolfram look sane
(trilema) assbot: Unqualified Reservations: Wolfram Alpha and hubristic user interfaces ... ( http://bit.ly/1lCBDHG )
(trilema) asciilifeform: intuited << see one of the better mr mold pieces re: same, http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/07/wolfram-alpha-and-hubristic-user.html
(trilema) assbot: Diffie-Hellman Protocol -- from Wolfram MathWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFyl0R )
(trilema) ascii_field: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Diffie-HellmanProtocol.html << for n00bz
(trilema) asciilifeform: even a charlatan like herr wolfram understood this
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~mathematica~. not the wiki maintained by wolfram's sex toy interns.
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 06:27:51; mircea_popescu: "Fractal -- from Wolfram MathWorld mathworld.wolfram.com/Fractal.html‎ A fractal is an object or quantity that displays self-similarity, in a somewhat technical sense, on all scales. The object need not exhibit exactly the same structure ..."
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 06:28:45; mircea_popescu: the geometric notion of the point, and the geometric notion of a line, and the geometric notion of a plane, and the geometric notion of wolfram's mother impaled on a triple cheeseburger ALL SATISFY THIS DEFINITION
(trilema) phf: mircea_popescu: "Fractal -- from Wolfram MathWorld mathworld.wolfram.com/Fractal.html‎ A fractal is an object or quantity that displays " << wolfram's "new kind of science" is all about "this one thing i generated kind of looks like this complicated process, maybe they are related? i feel like they are!"
(trilema) mircea_popescu: the geometric notion of the point, and the geometric notion of a line, and the geometric notion of a plane, and the geometric notion of wolfram's mother impaled on a triple cheeseburger ALL SATISFY THIS DEFINITION
(trilema) mircea_popescu: "Fractal -- from Wolfram MathWorld mathworld.wolfram.com/Fractal.html‎ A fractal is an object or quantity that displays self-similarity, in a somewhat technical sense, on all scales. The object need not exhibit exactly the same structure ..."
(trilema) assbot: 40 rods per hogshead in mpg - Wolfram|Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1fTDc0z )
(trilema) ascii_field: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=40+rods+per+hogshead+in+mpg
(trilema) asciilifeform: wolfram?
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 09-04-2015 21:17:14; ascii_field: wolfram is sui generis. owns a tame publisher, for instance
(trilema) assbot: Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science ... ( http://bit.ly/1N27MDR )
(trilema) asciilifeform: wolfram tried to steal an entire ~discipline~ - as described in http://bactra.org/reviews/wolfram and elsewhere
(trilema) asciilifeform: gotta understand that wolfram is a great (in the sense of edison) plagiarist
(trilema) assbot: Napoleon's Theorem -- from Wolfram MathWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vy9mj6 )
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/NapoleonsTheorem.html
(trilema) assbot: Congruence -- from Wolfram MathWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1NGIXKh )
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Congruence.html
(trilema) asciilifeform: alphonse23_: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/RSAEncryption.html for example.
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 09-04-2015 21:25:19; ascii_field: http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20141104/NEWS04/141109944/mathematicas-wolfram-sued-accused-of-secretly-recording-calls << l0l! apparently he's still sc4mz0r1ng folks
(trilema) ascii_field: http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20141125/NEWS04/141129858/mathematicas-wolfram-wins-fraud-case?utm_source=NEWS04&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=chicagobusiness << won.
(trilema) ascii_field: http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20141104/NEWS04/141109944/mathematicas-wolfram-sued-accused-of-secretly-recording-calls << l0l! apparently he's still sc4mz0r1ng folks
(trilema) assbot: Why Wolfram (Mathematica) did not use Lisp | The (λ) Lambda meme - all things Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOId3d )
(trilema) ascii_field: http://www.ymeme.com/why-wolfram-%28mathematica%29-did-not-use-lisp.html << some detail of what
(trilema) ascii_field: anyway, i happen to know more than a reasonable man ought to, about wolframism
(trilema) ascii_field: to my great shame, i pumped thousands and thousands of usd into wolfram's pockets.
(trilema) ascii_field: wolfram is sui generis. owns a tame publisher, for instance
(trilema) ascii_field: 'Wolfram, for his part, responded by suing or threatening to sue Cook (now a penniless graduate student in neuroscience), the conference organizers, the publishers of the proceedings, etc. '
(trilema) ascii_field: 'The real problem with this result, however, is that it is not Wolfram's. He didn't invent cyclic tag systems, and he didn't come up with the incredibly intricate construction needed to implement them in Rule 110. This was done rather by one Matthew Cook, while working in Wolfram's employ under a contract with some truly remarkable provisions about intellectual property. In short, Wolfram got to control not only when and
(trilema) assbot: Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOGpHJ )
(trilema) ascii_field: http://bactra.org/reviews/wolfram
(trilema) assbot: 43 results for 'wolfram' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wolfram
(trilema) ascii_field: !s wolfram
(trilema) ascii_field: wolfram is a u.s.-based fella though
(trilema) mircea_popescu: wolfram guy got it, didn't he ?
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reference counting... [david moon tale] ...but sure, it'd be great if it worked << there are quite a few systems which used reference-counting in garbage collector (other than in the demented c++ and apple systems, it is generally used in a garbage collector to determine 'what's garbage?'.) appears in, e.g., wolfram's 'mathematica.' down side: cannot have circular data structures.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wolfram worked with feynman at Thinking Machines?!
(trilema) asciilifeform: wolframator claims: ~300km
(trilema) assbot: constanta romania to odessa ukraine - Wolfram|Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1ya7STo )
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=constanta+romania+to+odessa+ukraine
(trilema) gribble: Recursion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursion>; Recursion (computer science) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursion_(computer_science)>; Recursion -- from Wolfram MathWorld: <http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Recursion.html>
(trilema) assbot: Turmite -- from Wolfram MathWorld
(trilema) Adlai: excellent turminology, this! http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Turmite.html
(trilema) assbot: Langton's Ant -- from Wolfram MathWorld
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LangtonsAnt.html
(trilema) asciilifeform: jurov: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Church-TuringThesis.html
(trilema) assbot: Church-Turing Thesis -- from Wolfram MathWorld
(trilema) MolokoDesk: .wolfram mass of dactyl
(trilema) MolokoDesk: .wolfram mass of ida
(trilema) MolokoDesk: .wolfram sum(1..36)
(trilema) decimation: zooming out further, probably more than 90% of the revenue for wolfram comes from usg
(trilema) BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So Wolfram is an event caterer
(trilema) asciilifeform: mp_colonist: wolfram corp. is quite unlike a restaurant
(trilema) asciilifeform: mp_colonist: i did sign off on ~7kBez worth of wolframiana. but did not expect the same level of fellatio as the folks who we paid 40k/seat. and got what expected.
(trilema) asciilifeform: herr wolfram's megalomania did not happen in empty space. he has a total, watertight monopoly on something - just as steve jobs did.
(trilema) assbot: Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science
(trilema) asciilifeform: (obligatory wolfram: https://web.archive.org/web/20100322205031/http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/reviews/wolfram )
(trilema) asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjCWdsrVcBM << herr wolfram renamed his best-selling gizmo for some reason.
(trilema) assbot: "Inside the Wolfram Language" by Stephen Wolfram - YouTube
(trilema) MolokoDesk: yeah, i'm scraping wolfram alpha, but if you pay them there's an API that is somewhat more flexible.
(trilema) decimation: does that query wolfram alpha?
(trilema) MolokoDesk: .wolfram derivative 5*x^2-15x+12
(trilema) assbot: Spheroid -- from Wolfram MathWorld
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Spheroid.html << for folks with memory loss
(trilema) assbot: 18 results for 'wolfram' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=wolfram
(trilema) TheNewDeal: !s wolfram
(trilema) decimation: I would note that Mr. Wolfram & co. are slowly migrating Mathmatica to be "pay us to use Wolfram Alpha in the cloud"
(trilema) assbot: Unqualified Reservations: Wolfram Alpha and hubristic user interfaces
(trilema) decimation: re: scp/ssh user interface << Herr Moldbug's rant on this topic is apropos: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/07/wolfram-alpha-and-hubristic-user.html "The error is that control interfaces must not be intelligent. Briefly, intelligent user interfaces should be limited to applications in which the user does not expect to control the behavior of the product. If the product is used as a tool, its interface should be as
(trilema) assbot: Benford's Law -- from Wolfram MathWorld
(trilema) mircea_popescu: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/BenfordsLaw.html random link of the day
(trilema) mircea_popescu: ay by the industries of Catalonia and the Basque Country. For Spain to be made healthy, they have to be destroyed. The German Chief of Staff Wolfram von Richthofen listened thunderstruck then recited to Mola all the reasons why it was madness to destroy a country’s industrial base, telling him that ‘I have never in my life heard such idiocy’
(trilema) mircea_popescu: "This brings me to the core of what I dislike about Wolfram's book. It is going to set the field back by years. On the one hand, scientists in other fields are going to think we're all crackpots like him. On the other hand, we're going to be deluged, again, with people who fall for this kind of nonsense. I expect to have to waste a lot of time in the next few years de-programming students who'll have read A New Kind of
(trilema) ozbot: Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science
(trilema) bounce: https://web.archive.org/web/20100322205031/http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/reviews/wolfram
(trilema) gribble: Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science: <http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/reviews/wolfram/>; Ten Years of Monster Raving Egomania and Utter Batshit Insanity: <http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/915.html>; Collection of Reviews of Wolfram's A New Kind of Science, Etc...: <http://www.math.usf.edu/~eclark/ANKOS_reviews.html>
(trilema) asciilifeform: ;;google wolfram batshit insanity
(trilema) asciilifeform: ;;google wolfram batshit egomania
(trilema) gribble: Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science: <http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/reviews/wolfram/>; Ten Years of Monster Raving Egomania and Utter Batshit Insanity: <http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/915.html>; Collection of Reviews of Wolfram's A New Kind of Science, Etc...: <http://www.math.usf.edu/~eclark/ANKOS_reviews.html>
(trilema) asciilifeform: paging herr doktor wolfram!
(trilema) gribble: Langton's ant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langton's_ant>; Langton's Ant - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X-gtr4pEBU>; Langton's Ant -- from Wolfram MathWorld: <http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LangtonsAnt.html>
(trilema) ozbot: bitcoin - Wolfram|Alpha
(trilema) ThickAsThieves: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=bitcoin+
(trilema) mircea_popescu: you mixed the diffs in the wolfram alpha ? i thought you meant in yoru original formula, and the prev wa formula is it.
(trilema) ozbot: (((x - 112628548) / 112628548) / 100) * 4 - Wolfram|Alpha
(trilema) dexX7: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28%28%28x+-+112628548%29+%2F+112628548%29+%2F+100%29+*+4 that's the correct one
(trilema) ozbot: (((112628548-x)/x)/100)*4 - Wolfram|Alpha
(trilema) dexX7: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28%28%28112628548-x%29%2Fx%29%2F100%29*4
(trilema) pankkake: I'm not sure I understand, it's actually easier to break the captcha without using wolfram alpha, who responds using images


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