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asciilifeform: qur70: who might you be ?
asciilifeform: qur70: please read the subjline of this chan.
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
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asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 16 nodes...
watchglass: : Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.047s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891
watchglass: : Alive: (0.022s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.088s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.099s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.121s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=654854 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: : Alive: (0.085s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891
watchglass: : Alive: (0.132s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891
watchglass: : Alive: (0.221s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.243s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=391673 (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.314s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=431451
watchglass: : Alive: (0.328s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891
watchglass: : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
trinque: hello asciilifeform. I've been thinking about and have an idea.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-16 20:57:14 asciilifeform: << this in fact is tru; but to this day asciilifeform can't think of an alt. algo that'd actually guarantee consistency for all possible press points. (if trinque or anyone else can -- i'ma all ears.)
trinque: iirc the prompt for the manifest was my and others' observation that two edits to the same file by two different contributors is undecidable. do I have that part right?
trinque: if so, what's suddenly the obvious solution is that there can be no such thing as two equal contributors in the eyes of the pressor.
trinque: one's wot in V must be ordered, and preferenced in terms of rank.
trinque: still loading the old thread into my head again, but I'm curious if this rings any bells on your end.
snsabot: (trilema) 2017-12-26 mircea_popescu: how about a convention whereby all new genesises must contain a manifest.genesis file, which file will be constantly patched on each patchj, no exceptions, by adding a line which reads : "This is patch #x and the codebase hash is blabla".
asciilifeform: trinque: wots are inescapably ordered -- errybody already orders self above l1, l1 above l2, etc. and if contradiction within a level, then must resolve. simply this did not come up in mechanical systems afaik. but easily could.
trinque: yep, more or less saying that "the concept of wot was not fully imported into V yet"
trinque: for that matter, I'm questioning whether any two wot-edges with same start-point can be of exactly the same weight
trinque: what'd that even mean? who trusts two people exactly the same
asciilifeform: trinque: could argue that the ~necessary~ subset of it ~was~ imported. and that the rest (e.g. how to resolve contradictions) was done by muscle power and perhaps oughta be
asciilifeform: trinque: imho this is still a useful line of thought, tho, for e.g. hypothetical vtronic p2p mirror system and any other large-scale apparatus which rides on wot.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-03-19 12:32:20 asciilifeform: why the hell is a typical public www bound to 1 box? specifically, why could not exist as an auto-mirrorable directory of signed material ?
adlai seconds "order by 'rank'", i.e., one can prioritize both for and against various code smells.
asciilifeform: any wot connected to automatic machinery gotta be ordered. so then can resolve if x, in l1, says 'a' and some y, y!=x, in l1, says '~a'
adlai: trinque: who trusts two signing keys equivalently, is unable to compose concise search queries for anything mircea wrote while voyaging.
asciilifeform: trinque: in 'v', i simply made any contradiction or graph-cyclicity (or ~any~ other 'mistake of pilotage') to be a fatal eggog. this is imho appropriate for a 'manual gearbox' as i designed the item to be. but for e.g. p2p nets, gotta handle all cases.
asciilifeform: adlai: the 'rank' can be, keep in mind, anything you like. even if it is 'names in alphabetic order'. but the resulting list has to be well-ordered.
adlai represents the perspective of someone who is nominally 'in-wot', although never attended the relevant 'conferences' and has the least reliable kyristor-linkage into you-all's trb tree.
asciilifeform: adlai: trinque was making a mathematical observation, rather than re: 'who likes whom in the meangirls clique'
adlai: asciilifeform: agreed; I fallback again to the idea of equivalence classes: in this case, the offending boojums are most infuriatingly apt to be the characters that should not have semantic weight, yet get signed by the vpatch algorithm.
asciilifeform: adlai: plox to elaborate ?
trinque: asciilifeform: indeed, it's the line of thinking past v/gossiptronic linux that brought me to this
trinque: brb, need calories for brainbox
asciilifeform: trinque: makes sense
asciilifeform also bbl, expect in coupla hr
adlai allocates one hour for elaboration of (deftype equivalence-class (&whole shebang) ..) that hinges upon standardized character predicates
adlai: and, earlier along the fifo: deliberately reactor-testing a subgraph's well-ordering property is `!!rate 0` in my book: i.e., depends upon specific cases of automatability for given combinations of a subgraph's purpose, and the enumerated [past tense!] purposes [finite] of compiler operators and executors.
adlai: avoiding key reuse obviates this specific example of a zero rating.
adlai: 'averseing' may be more accurate, as lamport and otherwise single-signature keys are quite a nuisance for production systems designed to automate the software update process.
adlai: due to progress!!!!! resulting in EOF before delimiter, I proceed in alphachars rather than symbolic expressions.
adlai: c.f. "when last time rote proggv?" arguable contender was, in 2018, some dinky little "well actually dual spaces can be computed thus"; I recall writing the version in RosettaCode, although I do not recall investigating correctness of anything other than the few given arithmetic examples, and naturally, "mais ceci n'est rien de trouver"
adlai burps, "perhaps, like fine hwines, brogrammers must be aged for a couple years within the 'vow of unsignability' revolving door of the military-industrial broshockracy before regaining the capability of enjoying the work"
adlai: "m-i b" ~= e.g. ... best practices of provably-pungent maximally unoptimizable dies
trinque: adlai: really meaning no specific ill, you do realize that you fatigue me with the way you communicate?
trinque: "behold as I leap laterally across metaphor spaces and chuckle to myselves"
adlai: henceforth limited to deeds, mail [googlelectronic inclusiveor snail], private message, spam in other chan, etc
asciilifeform: adlai: trinque's right, y'know. yer approaching Vexual's level of 'speech w/out intent to communicate'. i rec that you stop, or will eventually end up in same place.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-10-31 14:14:42 trinque: adlai: really meaning no specific ill, you do realize that you fatigue me with the way you communicate?
asciilifeform: Conny40: you have 1/2hr to introduce yerself. see subj line of channel.
trinque: huh, yep, definitely not handling that message correctly.
trinque: I'll see what's up.
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