Results 1 ... 23 found in asciilifeform for 'whitening'
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-01-04 18:14:23 asciilifeform: it's a lemon market, the homeopaths will always control the chump-change segment, while the crypto-ag types will control the golden-toilet segment. while actual rng that actually non-whiteningly worx, 'doesn't exist, never existed, what kinda terrorist are you to ask'
mats: teeth whitening because i'm a young and vain man
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-07 23:13:39 asciilifeform: is why, for instance, there are 'over 9000' whitening pseudo-trngs on the market today, but the only nonwhitening, shielded trng had print run of 200 , half of which was sold at the bankruptcy hammer
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: you're probably thinking of this one
asciilifeform: whaack: note that bias in the usual sense aint the only possible rng failure. there's also, e.g., sequential correlation.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-29 00:16:25 asciilifeform: raw_avocado: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=f%3Aasc+whitening&chan=all
raw_avocado: asciilifeform: i read in some of your posts that you dont think whitening entropy is a good idea. Why?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-07 23:13:39 asciilifeform: is why, for instance, there are 'over 9000' whitening pseudo-trngs on the market today, but the only nonwhitening, shielded trng had print run of 200 , half of which was sold at the bankruptcy hammer
asciilifeform: punkman: his rng article also lulzy, where he shits out kilometre of sophistry to pretend that he aint whitening
asciilifeform: is why, for instance, there are 'over 9000' whitening pseudo-trngs on the market today, but the only nonwhitening, shielded trng had print run of 200 , half of which was sold at the bankruptcy hammer
verisimilitude: It was disconcerting to read an expert discussing his RNG setup; had I not known better, whitening would've seemed fine. After all, it gives the RNG output even when it's not ready, which he needs as a professional who knows what he's doing.
asciilifeform: it's a lemon market, the homeopaths will always control the chump-change segment, while the crypto-ag types will control the golden-toilet segment. while actual rng that actually non-whiteningly worx, 'doesn't exist, never existed, what kinda terrorist are you to ask'
asciilifeform: genning with gpg, however, is problematic.
asciilifeform: and recall this.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-09-26 22:19:07 gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: given your previous comments about randomness and whitening, am I right in guessing that you consider [this article][http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom/] to be dishonest propaganda?
gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: given your previous comments about randomness and whitening, am I right in guessing that you consider [this article][http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom/] to be dishonest propaganda?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: be aware of known bugs .
asciilifeform: for all the surface simplicity of trng, it is surprisingly hard to get 100% right, esp. if you are unwilling to lie to yourself & others via 'whitenings'.
Aerthean: Except they messed up their design by whitening the output
verisimilitude: You're very convincing, with your criticism of ``whitening''. So you rightfully believe the device should return the entropy directly, which is easier to audit.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-28 00:26:52 asciilifeform: shinohai: i've many interesting things lined up. incl. for phuctor. such as e.g. previously-unmolested classes of weak key .
asciilifeform: shinohai: i've many interesting things lined up. incl. for phuctor. such as e.g. previously-unmolested classes of weak key .