Results 1 ... 141 found in all logged channels for 'solrodar'
(pest) asciilifeform: (recall the time when asciilifeform asked for a callgraph of trb, and no one could produce anyffin other than a 'help mouse find cheeze' horror)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: cgra: may want to check out solrodar's item (iirc used clang + graphviz)
(trilema) deedbot: ben_vulpes unrated solrodar.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: !!unrate solrodar
(trilema) deedbot: asciilifeform unrated solrodar.
(trilema) asciilifeform: !!unrate solrodar
(trilema) asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu's list of Open Problemz imho should include (~usable~, unlike solrodar's) trb flow-graph
(trilema) asciilifeform: recall the solrodar experiment.
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the solrodar thread ?
(trilema) mircea_popescu: asciilifeform solrodar dude has solved the bounty problem, permanently.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: why should i want the esteem of "the general public" / solrodar / whatever.
(trilema) asciilifeform: solrodar produced it, but it was unreadable
(trilema) asciilifeform: solrodar: gonna send back the prize money ?
(trilema) deedbot: solrodar unrated mircea_popescu.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2016-04-20 16:27 solrodar: but when I first came across it a year or so ago, I got the impression that 2012 was the what bliss in that dawn to be alive
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2016-04-20 15:45 solrodar: yeah, so I'm not saying it was a ponzi, or any other kind of scam, just that he wasn't being entirely up-front about what was going on
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2016-04-20 15:30 solrodar: but you know how ponzi schemes usually claim to have some undisclosed source of income
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2016-04-20 15:26 solrodar: 3) and on which practically nothing was traded except the shares of the exchange itself
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2016-04-20 14:56 mats: solrodar: 'i don't understand this financial instrument so the operator must be laundering money'
(trilema) phf: solrodar: you're reading tea leaves
(trilema) phf: solrodar: aren't you also implying mpex is a ponzi scheme?
(trilema) deedbot: solrodar rated davout 1 << competently completed BitBet receivership in only two weeks (tm)
(trilema) mats: solrodar: 'i don't understand this financial instrument so the operator must be laundering money'
(trilema) PeterL: oh, no, solrodar has iritated the priest of the cult of mircea_popescuism
(trilema) deedbot: danielpbarron rated solrodar -1 << I find it implausible that this guy has anything interesting to say
(trilema) PeterL: solrodar so what was it, mp buying his own product to increase volume?
(trilema) mircea_popescu: which is how solrodar's slavegirl exchange ended up rebuffed. da fuck do i care to import some group bs.
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 14:01:40; solrodar: if any obligation exists between bitbet and a bettor, the bettor is identified by his key and nothing more
(trilema) mircea_popescu: solrodar that is true.
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 14:20:36; mircea_popescu: solrodar there's no bitcoin precedent of "unjust enrichment", and if it is introduced it applies first of all to all miners.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: solrodar there's no bitcoin precedent of "unjust enrichment", and if it is introduced it applies first of all to all miners.
(trilema) nubbins`: <+solrodar>since the sender never intended to transfer ownership to that person <<< mp didn't intend to transfer ownership of the coins involved in a tx that he sent?
(trilema) mircea_popescu: solrodar you may not make assumptions.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: solrodar no, because while the dog might be your dog, bitcoin may not actually be your bitcoin.
(trilema) davout: solrodar: strictly
(trilema) PeterL: solrodar if you sign a statement "I give my dog to danielpbarron", then yes it is his dog, and if you later say oops, I meant to give it to bob, then it is up to DPB to give the dog up, but he does not have to
(trilema) nubbins`: solrodar i don't think any such moral obligation exists.
(trilema) nubbins`: !up solrodar
(trilema) BingoBoingo: solrodar: I'm not necessarily suggesting that
(trilema) BingoBoingo: solrodar: I'm suggesting it as a rabbit hole to read moar on to understand how complex the matter of claims is, not strictly legally but morally
(trilema) BingoBoingo: solrodar: Are you familiar with the "mechanics lien"
(trilema) mircea_popescu: solrodar i am not entertaining your concepts of "non-urgent", and so i won't be showing anything about them.
(trilema) BingoBoingo: <solrodar> yes, so I'm simply saying that the receiver's contract should not presume any particular classification << The reciever may end up rejecting some claims by suppliers, but the MUST be *considered* first
(trilema) PeterL: solrodar they didn't say all suppliers must be in the same class, the receiver has the option to classify suppliers as urgent/non-urgent
(trilema) mircea_popescu: !down solrodar
(trilema) davout: solrodar: well, how about you think of a bitcoin transaction fee as a certified bill? it is necessary to pay it for the receiver to be able to actually bettors for example
(trilema) davout: solrodar: which is why i haven't written it in stone, in case you did not notice
(trilema) BingoBoingo: solrodar: Ideally everyone gets paid maximally. Bills and customers both are bounded liabilities.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: solrodar the receiver has the option to set aside bills anyway, so that's not much of a practical consideration.
(trilema) BingoBoingo: solrodar: Since the reciever's aim is recovering the maximum value from where it can, ideally they pay the bills to not injure the brand anymore than it has been by ending up in recievership.
(trilema) nubbins`: <+solrodar>but before it gets written into a contract I want to question why we're presuming that bills are more senior than bettor funds << i want to question why you used "we"
(trilema) mircea_popescu: solrodar bills are senior because in general for the same general reason. you don't pay electricity, bankrupt or not, you can't have the lights on. receiver still has to work.
(trilema) davout: solrodar: unless the liquidator bill is senior he has no guarantee to be paid, in which case...
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 14:05:47; mircea_popescu: (to explain my thought process to the curious bystander - i would have seriously considered the application of a fiat-based receiver with provable practice but innocent of the wot over solrodar's ; i won't consider such over davout's. this means that in the past coupla days a window for some people to actually make their corpses useful to the world opened and closed - notwithstanding their or anyone
(trilema) mircea_popescu: (to explain my thought process to the curious bystander - i would have seriously considered the application of a fiat-based receiver with provable practice but innocent of the wot over solrodar's ; i won't consider such over davout's. this means that in the past coupla days a window for some people to actually make their corpses useful to the world opened and closed - notwithstanding their or anyone else's pretense to
(trilema) mircea_popescu: now answer the q asked of solrodar if you will.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: wait, solrodar is a chick ?
(trilema) adlai: and 'solrodar' too, who has bigger balls than... who knows, maybe she wears them on her chest
(trilema) BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously. I have suspicions on how this could be done, but... given the necessary ugliness in this sort of brokering solrodar's bid seems awfully cheap.
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 01:12:32; solrodar: I liked bitbet, I'd be sorry to see it go
(trilema) mircea_popescu: solrodar ok but run say where ?
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 20:39:47; phf: that was an answer to a solrodar's intentionally pointed question about costs of hosting vs. mp's "time", which was in term prompted by my attempt to understand how bitbet works
(trilema) phf: that was an answer to a solrodar's intentionally pointed question about costs of hosting vs. mp's "time", which was in term prompted by my attempt to understand how bitbet works
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 18:23:03; mircea_popescu: solrodar mno. you may not realise this, but bitbet has to date clocked close to 2k hours of admin time. and this is pointedly not minimum wage sort of work.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: solrodar> they chose not to charge it to the company, therefore it didn't count << this is correct. but he's welcome to consider counterfactuals also. just - shouldn't expect me to present factuals for counterfactuals, should write his own story himself!
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 18:23:03; mircea_popescu: solrodar mno. you may not realise this, but bitbet has to date clocked close to 2k hours of admin time. and this is pointedly not minimum wage sort of work.
(trilema) phf: solrodar: and to finish the thought, you "want" audit to ensure that bitbet holds all the bitcoin for open debts, rather then, say, having it all transfered into kako's or mp's coffers. that's the "reserve" although of course a joking misnomer.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: solrodar mno. you may not realise this, but bitbet has to date clocked close to 2k hours of admin time. and this is pointedly not minimum wage sort of work.
(trilema) phf: solrodar: nothing need have happened to warrant that question. reserve is there to pay out what was payed in. can't pay for server from reserve. ascii's question is not pointed, he's never seen bitbet's paperwork and is surprised that a business can run without own assets.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: solrodar ah i recall.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: solrodar stakeholder's interest.
(trilema) asciilifeform: !up solrodar
(trilema) nubbins`: solrodar hate the game, not the player
(trilema) nubbins`: mp could have sent the funds to solrodar from mp's mpex account
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 11:04:53; mircea_popescu: b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 solrodar. thanks for your help!
(trilema) nubbins`: solrodar's claims are backed up by mp's own words in the log, and the blockchain
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 11:04:53; mircea_popescu: b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 solrodar. thanks for your help!
(trilema) nubbins`: solrodar petalol, do you have the tx handy?
(trilema) asciilifeform: and they are just as terrible as solrodar's
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 14:30:30; mircea_popescu: solrodar it is an interesting point.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: solrodar the problem with precedent and rule based systems is that you don't know what will happen until it actually happens. i would guess what would happen here would be the bet gets cancelled and so the nos get their btc back too, and perhaps the ability of bet starter to create that clause gets curtailed.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: solrodar it is an interesting point.
(trilema) punkman: solrodar: but do the losing bettors have a claim on that money?
(trilema) punkman: solrodar: that does seem problematic
(trilema) mircea_popescu: you know, by the solrodar guy that actually did it.
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 19:25:10; solrodar: http://178.62.64.22/dot-filter.py << instructions at top
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 19:25:10; solrodar: http://178.62.64.22/dot-filter.py << instructions at top
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 19:25:10; solrodar: http://178.62.64.22/dot-filter.py << instructions at top
(trilema) asciilifeform: trinque, ben_vulpes, anyone else with 'clang' -- here's an idea, use the graph-walker solrodar used to determine the subset of openssl (see old thread re: same)
(trilema) asciilifeform: the above observation is not a criticism of solrodar's work, but of the catastrophically inadequate existing tooling
(trilema) asciilifeform: speaking of which, anyone ever get solrodar's graph into a readable form ?
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 12:16:05; solrodar: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213429 << the SVG file you generated renders fine for me in both Inkscape 0.48 and Chrome 43
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 21:57:59; ben_vulpes: solrodar, asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/callgraph/ << the sexprs generate, the scripts run, the svg is nominally an svg (eg has piles of xml i don't care to sift through) but doesn't render anything through any tools I have on hand.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: solrodar, asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/callgraph/ << the sexprs generate, the scripts run, the svg is nominally an svg (eg has piles of xml i don't care to sift through) but doesn't render anything through any tools I have on hand.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213115 << mircea_popescu: solrodar got my message, knows where i am in derping along to testing his work.
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 10:56:13; solrodar: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213044 << if you've managed to get clang to work, are you able to check my script?
(trilema) solrodar: !v assbot:solrodar.rate.asciilifeform.1:d36a041a380ad87f0b2260df1326ad3c6b92f187ad1ba29118587390d6d22fc2
(trilema) solrodar: !v assbot:solrodar.rate.mircea_popescu.1:24d08c2cc7479bebd8d5e585a0d284305faa1da8102b5954bc38dcb6ac186f50
(trilema) mircea_popescu: solrodar this is how bureaucracies are born.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.solrodar.1:3745ab57e08eae963b7be27ddddf5bff092c528e3a67dc4da4239834813156ae
(trilema) assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for solrodar with note: callgraphing work
(trilema) mircea_popescu: !rate solrodar 1 callgraphing work
(trilema) mircea_popescu: b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 solrodar. thanks for your help!
(trilema) mircea_popescu: solrodar address ?
(trilema) mircea_popescu apologizes to solrodar for this taking so damned long.
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 00:40:38; ben_vulpes: <decimation> boost fails to compile << i actually ran into this when hacking against solrodar's clang + graphviz callgraph thinger
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 00:41:04; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell solrodar hey man i need a hand compiling boost in order to test your callgraph visualizer
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;seen solrodar
(trilema) gribble: solrodar was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 4 hours, 48 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <solrodar> trinque: thanks
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell solrodar hey man i need a hand compiling boost in order to test your callgraph visualizer
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <decimation> boost fails to compile << i actually ran into this when hacking against solrodar's clang + graphviz callgraph thinger
(trilema) mircea_popescu: so, anyone checked solrodar's werk ?
(trilema) trinque: ascii_field | it'll have to be ben_vulpes or trinque; i don't presently have an install of 'clang'. << solrodar: maybe later, doing irl work presently
(trilema) asciilifeform: solrodar: there is information loss in your s-expression output.
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 00:02:06; solrodar: asciilifeform: http://178.62.64.22/dot-filter.py and http://178.62.64.22/bitcoin.sexpr
(trilema) asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu as soon as somebody reports a successful replication of solrodar's recipe, imho he ought get the prize
(trilema) asciilifeform: solrodar: aha
(trilema) asciilifeform: !v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.solrodar.1:0a8d0ab5914fc2d41371f84fe250e40f9eab92aab2afdf54f7774066895e50c5
(trilema) assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for solrodar with note: flow graphs
(trilema) solrodar: !v assbot:solrodar.rate.ben_vulpes.1:be7ce5a08c6698de2492a0c464338aa0a12c9c6070b6d7a9a6feffbe27ef763a
(trilema) asciilifeform: !rate solrodar 1 flow graphs
(trilema) asciilifeform: solrodar: and how do you know that they are only used in keystore base class ?
(trilema) asciilifeform: solrodar: your tool doesn't see virtual functions ?
(trilema) BingoBoingo: solrodar: If your recipe works a narrative of it could be welcome qntra material
(trilema) asciilifeform: thank you for the effort, solrodar
(trilema) asciilifeform: solrodar: might wanna ask mircea_popescu if he will award the prize for this item, which is not what he asked for, before putting in serious effort
(trilema) asciilifeform: !up solrodar
(trilema) asciilifeform: solrodar: tell you what. i'm not the one who put up the bounty (that was mircea_popescu) but i was the one who asked for the chart. if you can produce a dependency graph in s-expression format, embodying the info in this graph, ~and~ show me how to get same using open source utils, i will say the job is done
(trilema) asciilifeform: solrodar: gonna tell me that the structure requires putting, e.g., CWalletDB::ReadBestBlock a mile away from AppInit2, even though the former connects to ~nothing else~ ???!!
(trilema) BingoBoingo: solrodar: Now !up yourself
(trilema) assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for solrodar with note: doolb wen
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.solrodar.1:898d1835333b88e8a1aeafa9acb92bbad9b839fc1cf4135f8a2ea7ea45bf4c5f
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !rate solrodar 1 doolb wen
(trilema) BingoBoingo: !up solrodar
(trilema) mircea_popescu: solrodar consider register a signature with the bot.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: solrodar do you know what gpg is ?
(trilema) mircea_popescu: hello solrodar. who're you ?
(trilema) mircea_popescu: !up solrodar